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| MinceR | https://hugelolcdn.com/i/662646.jpg | Apr 29 00:18 |
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| schestowitz | DaemonFC[m]: https://joindiaspora.com/posts/17958720 | Apr 29 00:23 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Another day passes with the US, 4% of the world's population, accounting for 37.6606% of the world's #covid19 deaths | Apr 29 00:23 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | I told you that it would be bad. | Apr 29 00:24 |
| DaemonFC[m] | For old people especially. | Apr 29 00:24 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The damned thing will kill so many of them it wipes out any population gain for the US for the entire year. | Apr 29 00:25 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/17958678 | Apr 29 00:25 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #andorra reports #covid19 death and #czechia reports 4 for the day. Totals for the day already well above 6,000, so globally we've hardly improved. | Apr 29 00:25 | |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/17958547 | Apr 29 00:26 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #trump will "make America great again" https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8205237/Prisoners-hazmat-suits-continue-dig-mass-graves-NYCs-Hart-Island.html | Apr 29 00:26 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.dailymail.co.uk | Workers in hazmat suits continue to dig mass graves on NYC's Hart Island | Daily Mail Online | Apr 29 00:26 | |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/17958400 | Apr 29 00:26 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #Europe reduces # of #covid19 deaths with lock-downs, but it still kills over 6,000 people a day (only those confirmed for #coronavirus are counted; real number vastly higher) mostly because it's spreading elsewhere. ~200,000 dead per month, only among the confirmed. | Apr 29 00:26 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | It's the end of the goddamned Republican Party. | Apr 29 00:26 |
| DaemonFC[m] | What's not great about that? | Apr 29 00:27 |
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| MinceR | again, do not count your chickens before they are hatched | Apr 29 00:27 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They're hatching. | Apr 29 00:28 |
| schestowitz | Gosh, I hate function keys | Apr 29 00:28 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Real fast. | Apr 29 00:28 |
| schestowitz | I mistakenly put the machine to hibernation | Apr 29 00:28 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I'm upgrading to Fedora 32. | Apr 29 00:28 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It's going to take forever. | Apr 29 00:28 |
| schestowitz | fn+f1 = sleep, instead of super+f1 | Apr 29 00:28 |
| schestowitz | how can I disable those Fn things in KDE? | Apr 29 00:28 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The free tier of wifi here is capped at 170 KB/second. | Apr 29 00:28 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Guessing keyboard settings. | Apr 29 00:29 |
| schestowitz | I checked | Apr 29 00:29 |
| schestowitz | nothing too obvious there | Apr 29 00:29 |
| schestowitz | anyway, I'll be more careful what I press | Apr 29 00:29 |
| schestowitz | I used to make this error daily, now it's weekly | Apr 29 00:29 |
| MinceR | could be power manage{r,ment} | Apr 29 00:29 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC[m]: https://joindiaspora.com/posts/17958771 | Apr 29 00:35 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Tomorrow the US, 4% of the world's population, will account for exactly a third of the world's #covid19 cases. Among "ACTIVE" (unsolved) cases it already accounts for 42.84%=~43%. | Apr 29 00:35 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | Trump changed the 60,000 number to 70,000. | Apr 29 00:39 |
| DaemonFC[m] | That should get him through the next 5 days! | Apr 29 00:39 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Maybe. | Apr 29 00:40 |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Adam Williamson: Fedora 32 release and Lenovo announcement http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/136930#comment-24813 [https://pleroma.site/objects/6e1c7997-37c4-49d2-ae2f-da477fc609f1] | Apr 29 00:51 | |
| schestowitz | lol | Apr 29 00:52 |
| schestowitz | did he really? | Apr 29 00:52 |
| schestowitz | link? | Apr 29 00:52 |
| schestowitz | maybe he plans to resign doon | Apr 29 00:52 |
| schestowitz | "69, folks" | Apr 29 00:52 |
| schestowitz | "job done, goodbye!" | Apr 29 00:52 |
| schestowitz | *Soon | Apr 29 00:52 |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Intel Gen11+ Graphics See An Easy Bump On Mesa 20.1-devel http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/136945#comment-24814 [https://pleroma.site/objects/dbaf2b66-26c9-4319-865d-0915d0ab85ec] | Apr 29 00:55 | |
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| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz: https://www.politico.com/news/2020/04/27/trump-death-toll-projection-coronavirus-213314 | Apr 29 01:17 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Trump raises his virus death toll projection to up to 70,000 in U.S. - POLITICO | Apr 29 01:17 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | Slow motion nuclear bomb. | Apr 29 01:27 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They're reopening things already and it'll accelerate the virus, obviously. | Apr 29 01:27 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Best case, vaccines s tart going out sometime in september. | Apr 29 01:27 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So we're looking at 300,000 dead or so probably by the time there's a meaningful number of vaccinated people. | Apr 29 01:28 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | ---- | Apr 29 01:52 |
| DaemonFC[m] | One reason I won't use Instagram is because it requires proprietary software and it tells the other person if you screenshot something. I consider that malicious. | Apr 29 01:52 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | I don't get who is sending nudes to each other on there not expecting them to be saved. | Apr 29 01:52 |
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| XRevan86 | DaemonFC[m]: The next logical step is DRM, because this sounds mitigatable. | Apr 29 01:57 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I'm sure that someone has cracked the APK or something. | Apr 29 01:58 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Instagram sent a DMCA notice to github and had them take down open source software that could access instagram without nasty features like that. | Apr 29 01:58 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Said it violated their users' copyright. | Apr 29 01:58 |
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| oiaohm | DaemonFC[m]: question how long will the human body remember the vaccine. | Apr 29 03:19 |
| oiaohm | DaemonFC[m]: and how long to vaccine the population. | Apr 29 03:19 |
| oiaohm | USA could be in Covid-19 checkmate and is not waking up to it yet. | Apr 29 03:20 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | If they admitted that, there'd be riots. | Apr 29 03:34 |
| oiaohm | Then virus would spread even faster and kill more. | Apr 29 03:45 |
| oiaohm | DaemonFC[m]: the two safest bets are effective quarantines and lockdowns inside infected areas. | Apr 29 03:48 |
| oiaohm | Other bets like vaccine will fix it could be long shots to impossible. | Apr 29 03:50 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Vaccine is the only hope here. Remdesivir is crap and Gilead's response was to blame people for leaking the test. | Apr 29 03:57 |
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| oiaohm | DaemonFC[m]: https://www.aa.com.tr/en/asia-pacific/australia-set-for-chinese-covid-19-vaccine-human-trial-/1821328 so you hoping this stuff works. | Apr 29 04:31 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.aa.com.tr | Australia set for Chinese COVID-19 vaccine human trial | Apr 29 04:32 | |
| oiaohm | DaemonFC[m]: Ivermectin is also in the o crap pile. Yes it will work to kill COVID-19 on the dead. But does required will kill us as well. | Apr 29 04:52 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Fedora 32 is much faster. | Apr 29 05:01 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Nice | Apr 29 05:01 |
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| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: #Android Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/136955 [https://pleroma.site/objects/356eee6f-2390-4fc2-ad31-42a68e3e6933] | Apr 29 05:59 | |
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| schestowitz | DaemonFC[m]: post screenshots or it didn't happen ;-) | Apr 29 06:06 |
| *DaemonFC[m] uploaded an image: Screenshot from 2020-04-28 23-34-44.png (731KB) < https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/r0/download/matrix.org/vjIBkNfIHmjXGhJRFCuvdWPp > | Apr 29 06:16 | |
| *DaemonFC[m] uploaded an image: Screenshot from 2020-04-28 23-34-36.png (363KB) < https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/r0/download/matrix.org/XmwRJuoMoXiSsBWzaRtsgrsJ > | Apr 29 06:17 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: PixelFed: A potential open-source alternative to Instagram http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/136956 [https://pleroma.site/objects/a940b6b6-d92d-43d6-acae-cdd22cf16e44] | Apr 29 06:19 | |
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| schestowitz | DaemonFC[m]: can you do one with techrights? | Apr 29 06:22 |
| schestowitz | maybe with a sentence about it, I can do a quick guest post about it in techrights | Apr 29 06:22 |
| schestowitz | paying tribute to the devs | Apr 29 06:22 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Which browser? | Apr 29 06:23 |
| schestowitz | brace | Apr 29 06:23 |
| schestowitz | brave | Apr 29 06:23 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I have a lot of extensions. | Apr 29 06:25 |
| *DaemonFC[m] uploaded an image: Screenshot from 2020-04-29 00-25-08.png (1644KB) < https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/r0/download/matrix.org/zKpwugNAWUUFllrJBsCEAJiE > | Apr 29 06:26 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | Bypass Paywalls, Sponsorblock for Youtube.... | Apr 29 06:26 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The web has a lot of garbage. | Apr 29 06:26 |
| schestowitz | purrrfect | Apr 29 06:26 |
| schestowitz | thanks | Apr 29 06:26 |
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| *DaemonFC[m] uploaded an image: Screenshot from 2020-04-29 00-27-35.png (561KB) < https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/r0/download/matrix.org/uRNFyhIzcKiUihpUMjnxPYIo > | Apr 29 06:28 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | The sound system seems different somehow. | Apr 29 06:28 |
| DaemonFC[m] | No telling why. | Apr 29 06:28 |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Screencasts/Audiocasts/Shows: #Nitrux 1.2.8 Run Through, #Lenovo Loves Linux, #mintCast and This Week in #Linux (TWIL) http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/136957 [https://pleroma.site/objects/fb12cfc4-2ce3-4b3a-b471-a97a50bc9a5e] | Apr 29 06:29 | |
| schestowitz | is the image really that big? | Apr 29 06:32 |
| schestowitz | is your monitor 3200px across? | Apr 29 06:32 |
| schestowitz | because the mage shows something else | Apr 29 06:33 |
| schestowitz | odd | Apr 29 06:33 |
| schestowitz | the meta says it's huge dimensions | Apr 29 06:33 |
| schestowitz | but the image isn't the size as the meta's specs | Apr 29 06:33 |
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| schestowitz | DaemonFC[m]: can you sum up the experience in one sentence? | Apr 29 06:37 |
| schestowitz | (for a quick post) | Apr 29 06:37 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | 3200x1800 | Apr 29 06:49 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It feels like my entire (2016) laptop got a major hardware upgrade and there are many nice user interface improvements. It finally feels like GNOME 3 fully matured. | Apr 29 06:51 |
| schestowitz | thank you... | Apr 29 06:55 |
| schestowitz | almost there now.. | Apr 29 06:55 |
| schestowitz | http://techrights.org/2020/04/29/techrights-on-fedora-32/ | Apr 29 06:56 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Techrights on Fedora 32 | Techrights | Apr 29 06:56 | |
| schestowitz | uses your full name | Apr 29 06:56 |
| schestowitz | which I suppose is OK, you used that name publicly before and it is common anyhow | Apr 29 06:57 |
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| schestowitz | ^this will make some devs happy, improve morale mayb | Apr 29 07:00 |
| schestowitz | *maybe | Apr 29 07:00 |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Lenovo will start offering ThinkPads with Linux pre-installed http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/136786#comment-24815 [https://pleroma.site/objects/0a5a81c4-5af5-441f-9b9b-18a198f4c4ce] | Apr 29 07:05 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | Yeah, that's fine. :) | Apr 29 07:06 |
| DaemonFC[m] | <schestowitz "^this will make some devs happy,"> Improve morale? Yeah, it did seem like some movement in the wrong direction was going on there for a while. | Apr 29 07:07 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Fedora ends up like that sometimes. Some releases are stable and perform well and then they have one that's just completely half-baked. | Apr 29 07:08 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | I liked how the dnf system upgrade plugin worked well. Fedora didn't used to be terribly easy to upgrade. It would result in a broken system as often as a working one. Their answer was to clean install and reuse your home partition. | Apr 29 07:14 |
| DaemonFC[m] | That's just not something you want to hear when picking an OS. | Apr 29 07:15 |
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| schestowitz | DaemonFC[m]: lenovo will preinstall it soon | Apr 29 07:18 |
| schestowitz | rianne uses lenovo, but with debian | Apr 29 07:18 |
| schestowitz | it feels a little sluggish sometimes | Apr 29 07:18 |
| schestowitz | maybe due to low ram | Apr 29 07:18 |
| schestowitz | mine is a lot faster, same OS | Apr 29 07:18 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | > maybe due to low ram | Apr 29 07:27 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Seems Fedora 32 is improved on that front. | Apr 29 07:27 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Less resource consumption on the Shell again and less jank. | Apr 29 07:28 |
| DaemonFC[m] | EarlyOOM | Apr 29 07:28 |
| schestowitz | good, I guess | Apr 29 07:29 |
| schestowitz | anyway, she doesn't do very heavy things on it | Apr 29 07:29 |
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| schestowitz | kate, thunderbird, firefox, vpn, ssh | Apr 29 07:29 |
| DaemonFC[m] | https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/EnableEarlyoom | Apr 29 07:30 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-fedoraproject.org | Changes/EnableEarlyoom - Fedora Project Wiki | Apr 29 07:30 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | OOM-Killer in the kernel has insane default behavior. | Apr 29 07:30 |
| DaemonFC[m] | This tries to shut down something that's making the system unusable as cleanly as possible and avoid swap thrashing. | Apr 29 07:31 |
| schestowitz | Phoronix write a lot about earsyoom | Apr 29 07:32 |
| schestowitz | *earlyoom | Apr 29 07:32 |
| schestowitz | tbh, not many people pay attention to ram usage | Apr 29 07:33 |
| schestowitz | I quit checking when I finally got more than 2 gb of ram 2 months ago | Apr 29 07:33 |
| schestowitz | saves me a lot of hassle | Apr 29 07:33 |
| schestowitz | I used to reopen software instances just to 'take them out of swap | Apr 29 07:33 |
| schestowitz | (so to speak) | Apr 29 07:33 |
| schestowitz | Docker training and Kubernetes today... | Apr 29 07:34 |
| schestowitz | so many bits of hype | Apr 29 07:34 |
| schestowitz | (not that VMs are better) | Apr 29 07:35 |
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| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Fedora 32 Released! Check Out The New Features http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/136961#comment-24819 [https://pleroma.site/objects/d6d0372a-882b-4b2f-a3a8-96924dbdae90] | Apr 29 07:54 | |
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| schestowitz | I have just moved away from a dark kde theme | Apr 29 08:29 |
| schestowitz | I'll try lighter one again | Apr 29 08:29 |
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| XRevan86 | > https://bash.im/quote/460998 | Apr 29 09:07 |
| XRevan86 | > M: It is time for the Americans to plough up their lawns for potatoes and other vegetables planting. | Apr 29 09:07 |
| XRevan86 | > S (lives in the US): We are in a free nation, so this is not allowed! :) | Apr 29 09:07 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-bash.im | Цитата #460998 – Цитатник Рунета | Apr 29 09:07 | |
| XRevan86 | Quote Database wisdom %). | Apr 29 09:07 |
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| schestowitz | meh... | Apr 29 09:20 |
| schestowitz | they farm food locally aplenty | Apr 29 09:20 |
| schestowitz | enough to feed the US maybe twice over, BUT... | Apr 29 09:20 |
| schestowitz | guess who farms it for the US | Apr 29 09:20 |
| schestowitz | foreign workers brought in, inc. many Mexicans | Apr 29 09:20 |
| schestowitz | whom they then like to demonise... the hardest of all workers perhaps | Apr 29 09:21 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: It's about providing for oneself personally dacha-style. | Apr 29 09:21 |
| schestowitz | it doesn't scale well | Apr 29 09:21 |
| schestowitz | if you live close to a city | Apr 29 09:21 |
| schestowitz | and you lack access to fertilisers etc. | Apr 29 09:21 |
| schestowitz | also machinery | Apr 29 09:21 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: Machinery? On a dacha? | Apr 29 09:22 |
| XRevan86 | http://superda4nik.ru/wp-content/uploads/2017/01/p_1295_1464417861_349.jpg | Apr 29 09:23 |
| XRevan86 | https://idealsad.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/ogorod-foto-06.jpg | Apr 29 09:24 |
| XRevan86 | not commercial | Apr 29 09:24 |
| XRevan86 | I don't take it seriously, because when shit fits the fan, property can be taken away anyway. | Apr 29 09:27 |
| XRevan86 | * hits | Apr 29 09:27 |
| XRevan86 | But it's still something that for Usonians it's just problematic in the suburbs to grow their own cucumbers even just for fun %). | Apr 29 09:28 |
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| schestowitz | XRevan86: takes a lot of space | Apr 29 09:43 |
| schestowitz | fine if you live away from centre of town | Apr 29 09:43 |
| schestowitz | but not in apartment of a detached/terraced unit | Apr 29 09:43 |
| schestowitz | just not enough room | Apr 29 09:43 |
| schestowitz | XRevan86: araik, in russia large concrete housing is common | Apr 29 09:59 |
| schestowitz | apartments where the option of having any garden at all is prohibitive at best | Apr 29 10:00 |
| schestowitz | and let's face it, humans aren't well distributed | Apr 29 10:00 |
| schestowitz | which I guess is good for nature/wildlife | Apr 29 10:00 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: Well, yea, that's how it's usually done: a flat in a large building + sometimes a dacha if nature's calling. | Apr 29 10:01 |
| schestowitz | that means urinating | Apr 29 10:01 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: Well, at least not a sexual act. | Apr 29 10:02 |
| XRevan86 | here I was, trying to be poetic %) | Apr 29 10:04 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: I saw in a video a bunny peeing, and the person filming said "aw, he's going to be bathroom", now that's just ridiculous. | Apr 29 10:07 |
| XRevan86 | For two reasons even: 1. I could see the literal act, what's even the point of using an euphemism; 2. it makes no literal sense, there's only one way to understand this; what is even the point of the euphemism then. | Apr 29 10:13 |
| XRevan86 | Maybe this wouldn't've rubbed me so much if I didn't have separated toilet and bathroom %). | Apr 29 10:15 |
| XRevan86 | This euphemism can cause misunderstandings, which is against the point of trying to hide the true purpose of going away. | Apr 29 10:15 |
| XRevan86 | * against the purpose | Apr 29 10:18 |
| XRevan86 | Stupid correction. Oh well. Nature can call in more than one way anyway %). | Apr 29 10:26 |
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| *XRevan86 accidentally found: https://developers.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=441172&cid=22290496 | Apr 29 12:08 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-developers.slashdot.org | Is XMPP the 'Next Big Thing' - Slashdot | Apr 29 12:08 | |
| XRevan86 | Oi, the future was bright… | Apr 29 12:08 |
| MinceR | :> | Apr 29 12:09 |
| MinceR | well, the future of the planet is still bright | Apr 29 12:09 |
| MinceR | it will be very bright when the Sun goes red giant and engulfs the planet | Apr 29 12:09 |
| MinceR | https://github.com/JohnAZoidberg/morse-sigusr-ipc | Apr 29 12:10 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-GitHub - JohnAZoidberg/morse-sigusr-ipc: IPC via SIGUSR1 and SIGUSR2 using Morse code | Apr 29 12:10 | |
| schestowitz | Peter Bright was arrested | Apr 29 12:10 |
| schestowitz | liked to sexually abuse kids | Apr 29 12:10 |
| schestowitz | putting his thing inside them | Apr 29 12:10 |
| XRevan86 | no future for Bright? | Apr 29 12:11 |
| MinceR | :> | Apr 29 12:11 |
| schestowitz | no | Apr 29 12:11 |
| schestowitz | he still has a twitter account | Apr 29 12:11 |
| MinceR | he finds out the hard way that he isn't rich enough to get away with this :> | Apr 29 12:11 |
| schestowitz | I saw it yesterday as someone mentioned him | Apr 29 12:11 |
| schestowitz | (when linking to techrights) | Apr 29 12:11 |
| schestowitz | he was here in IRC, after we had blasted him | Apr 29 12:11 |
| schestowitz | he literally used the nickname "drpizza" | Apr 29 12:12 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: What nick has he had? | Apr 29 12:12 |
| XRevan86 | oh | Apr 29 12:12 |
| schestowitz | you can search our irc logs | Apr 29 12:12 |
| schestowitz | iirc, pizza is code for young boy | Apr 29 12:13 |
| schestowitz | in the sexual sense | Apr 29 12:13 |
| schestowitz | peter was no doctor | Apr 29 12:13 |
| MinceR | i didn't know about that code | Apr 29 12:13 |
| schestowitz | pushing prepared 'articles' from microsoft at day | Apr 29 12:13 |
| schestowitz | at night, arranging with parents to have sex with children | Apr 29 12:13 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: I elarned about that from wikileaks because of podesta leaks | Apr 29 12:13 |
| schestowitz | map means semen, iirc | Apr 29 12:14 |
| schestowitz | so when you read text messages and stuff you need to know the words they use as cover | Apr 29 12:14 |
| schestowitz | the FBI has a list | Apr 29 12:14 |
| schestowitz | tbh, I try to stay away from these topics | Apr 29 12:16 |
| XRevan86 | map, filter, list, array, tuple, dict… | Apr 29 12:16 |
| schestowitz | 1) because of people who obsess over them | Apr 29 12:16 |
| schestowitz | (qanon etc.) | Apr 29 12:16 |
| schestowitz | (maybe by intention, maybe the idea is to discredit those who speak about it) | Apr 29 12:16 |
| schestowitz | 2) it's gross | Apr 29 12:16 |
| schestowitz | 3) I have little knowledge in that area, either as victim or abuser. In fact, growing up I rarely know about those things, people don't talk much about it, rarely even papers | Apr 29 12:17 |
| schestowitz | (parents would typically say things like, "don't talk to strangers", but they don't say why) | Apr 29 12:17 |
| schestowitz | XRevan86: I forgot the terms, but wikileaks tweeted a link to the official FBI docs | Apr 29 12:18 |
| XRevan86 | (there is more than one reason) | Apr 29 12:18 |
| schestowitz | I think wikileaks got lots of flack for it | Apr 29 12:18 |
| schestowitz | like it was emboldening nutty types | Apr 29 12:18 |
| schestowitz | including armed people who wanted "justice" over podesta | Apr 29 12:18 |
| schestowitz | "pizzagate" | Apr 29 12:19 |
| schestowitz | and then wikileaks was said to have promoted conspiracy theories | Apr 29 12:19 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: Well, it doesn't really matter, as those making up the terms will probably continue making new ones. | Apr 29 12:19 |
| schestowitz | they do | Apr 29 12:19 |
| XRevan86 | so it only matters in one specific timeframe | Apr 29 12:19 |
| schestowitz | that's what makes it tricky for them | Apr 29 12:19 |
| schestowitz | apparently the issue is more widespread than reported | Apr 29 12:20 |
| schestowitz | I heard stories from a relative who was a teacher and in her class there was a kid who was 'hired' for sex by the parents | Apr 29 12:20 |
| schestowitz | even the teacher was shocked, didn't know such things were being done | Apr 29 12:21 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: That is indeed insane. | Apr 29 12:21 |
| XRevan86 | unheard of | Apr 29 12:21 |
| schestowitz | apparently not so uncommon | Apr 29 12:21 |
| schestowitz | and if you look at certain countries it might be rather common | Apr 29 12:22 |
| schestowitz | and not even considered illegal, or the law not enforced | Apr 29 12:22 |
| XRevan86 | What parent would possibly sell their child for some childhood trauma? | Apr 29 12:24 |
| MinceR | there are many bad parents | Apr 29 12:24 |
| schestowitz | ones who want money or something, obviously | Apr 29 12:24 |
| schestowitz | there are also foster patents who abuse or use kids | Apr 29 12:24 |
| schestowitz | for money etc. | Apr 29 12:24 |
| schestowitz | *parents | Apr 29 12:25 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: This is beyond bad. | Apr 29 12:25 |
| MinceR | yeah, humans are horrible | Apr 29 12:25 |
| MinceR | and horrible humans reproduce | Apr 29 12:25 |
| MinceR | https://hugelolcdn.com/i/662553.png | Apr 29 12:32 |
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| XRevan86 | MinceR: This is immediately a classic. | Apr 29 12:32 |
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| MinceR | http://surrounder.nl/misogyny.jpg | Apr 29 14:11 |
| schestowitz | weird message | Apr 29 14:12 |
| schestowitz | even if seen as a joke | Apr 29 14:12 |
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| XRevan86 | It's just someone being a moron. | Apr 29 14:18 |
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| MinceR | (cat) https://vid.pr0gramm.com/2020/01/26/988fbea324a4f630.mp4 | Apr 29 16:48 |
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| MinceR | (audio:important) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YqnyJcvIMH0 | Apr 29 17:39 |
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| scientes | XRevan86, it feels like Coronavirus is headed to where Hijabs are in Iran | Apr 29 18:19 |
| scientes | (AFAIU) | Apr 29 18:19 |
| scientes | with the mandatory masks | Apr 29 18:19 |
| scientes | but from the news other places are much more psycotic, with the quarantines | Apr 29 18:20 |
| scientes | I guess we do have a curfew here however....but why can't people appreciate the value of street lights (and give thanks that the power is on)? | Apr 29 18:21 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: Yea, because wearing germ protection is exactly like mandatory faith-induced horny-men-inhibitors. | Apr 29 18:21 |
| scientes | XRevan86, totally agree | Apr 29 18:21 |
| scientes | (sarcasm ignored) | Apr 29 18:23 |
| XRevan86 | Little people getting inside of you and then expoiting you to make more of themselves slowly killing you in the process? Give me some of what you're smoking, man. What a freak-show, almost as bad as that grey-vee-tea thing. | Apr 29 18:27 |
| scientes | "slowly killing you" | Apr 29 18:27 |
| scientes | flu is not slow | Apr 29 18:27 |
| XRevan86 | Speed is relative. | Apr 29 18:28 |
| scientes | even Malaria is slower AFAIU | Apr 29 18:28 |
| XRevan86 | Relatively to a bullet very slow. | Apr 29 18:28 |
| scientes | because of the dorment phase in the liver | Apr 29 18:28 |
| scientes | ahhhhh....when I think something is SPanish and it turns out to be portugese | Apr 29 18:30 |
| scientes | as someone that doesn't know portugese, it also sounds like funny spanish | Apr 29 18:31 |
| scientes | *always | Apr 29 18:31 |
| XRevan86 | And then there's more than one Spanish. | Apr 29 18:32 |
| scientes | Wikipedia seems to be written with more Lain, beause I find it easier to read | Apr 29 18:33 |
| scientes | than the one translated book I have (that is easy reading---Around the World in 80 Days, originally in French) | Apr 29 18:33 |
| scientes | I've been reading about the Era de los Discubrimentos | Apr 29 18:33 |
| XRevan86 | Latin America – because Romance languages like Spanish are dominant; more Latin Spanish – because from Latin America | Apr 29 18:34 |
| XRevan86 | If this isn't circular logic, I don't know what is :) | Apr 29 18:34 |
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| scientes | hehehehehe | Apr 29 18:34 |
| scientes | well when I talked to a native speaker of both spanish and english (from Spain) he said there was a mix between old spanish and new spanish | Apr 29 18:35 |
| scientes | I don't really know the details---but Spanish is a much older language than English | Apr 29 18:35 |
| scientes | like Cervantes | Apr 29 18:35 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: You know all "natural" languages are of the same undefined age, right? %) | Apr 29 18:36 |
| XRevan86 | go all the way back | Apr 29 18:36 |
| scientes | ????? | Apr 29 18:36 |
| scientes | are you differentiating from pidgin languages? | Apr 29 18:36 |
| XRevan86 | and except pidgins and creols, those have a date | Apr 29 18:36 |
| scientes | but like English of Shakespeare is very differn't from the victorian age | Apr 29 18:37 |
| scientes | and English is largely the same as victorian age | Apr 29 18:37 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: So what you mean is that English has seen more rapid change in the recent centuries than Spanish has. | Apr 29 18:37 |
| scientes | (except the US 19th century stuff is HORRIBLE, and my thesis is that there was just really high illiteracy) | Apr 29 18:37 |
| XRevan86 | or the opposite? | Apr 29 18:37 |
| scientes | I don't know enough to say | Apr 29 18:38 |
| scientes | there are enough differences that there is usually a choice between spanish and south american spanish | Apr 29 18:38 |
| scientes | all, the US was full of non-native speakers | Apr 29 18:39 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: Yea, English variants that get their own standard don't have that much difference between them. | Apr 29 18:39 |
| scientes | I'm talking about all that pompous "thou" stuff | Apr 29 18:39 |
| XRevan86 | (and those that do get disregarded) | Apr 29 18:39 |
| scientes | and not KJV which really isn't that bad | Apr 29 18:39 |
| scientes | (KJV bible) | Apr 29 18:39 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: Ironic since "thou" went out of fashion for being too vulgar. | Apr 29 18:39 |
| scientes | the problem is translations from that era are really pretentious | Apr 29 18:40 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: It's what a Russian would call "ты-кание". | Apr 29 18:40 |
| scientes | and because of copyright laws that is often the only free version | Apr 29 18:40 |
| XRevan86 | A familiar pronoun as opposed to a "polite You" | Apr 29 18:41 |
| scientes | Like the free translation of Lès Miserables is really pretentious | Apr 29 18:41 |
| scientes | compared to the main modern one (I think there are two) | Apr 29 18:41 |
| XRevan86 | Again, "thou" is not pretentious (well, maybe it is now as it is practically a relic). | Apr 29 18:41 |
| scientes | XRevan86, it isn't, but it is often used to be "correct", but it is more that they are proving their literacy | Apr 29 18:42 |
| scientes | instead of just communicating | Apr 29 18:42 |
| scientes | in that period in the US | Apr 29 18:42 |
| XRevan86 | Like "look what I know, hast thou known this posh pronoun?" | Apr 29 18:42 |
| scientes | exactamente | Apr 29 18:42 |
| scientes | *knownst | Apr 29 18:43 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: Have you known, has she known – you can notice that "known" doesn't change. | Apr 29 18:43 |
| scientes | This problem goes away after the invention of radio | Apr 29 18:43 |
| XRevan86 | Only "have" gets to be conjugated in English in this case %). | Apr 29 18:43 |
| scientes | and England didn't seem to have this problem, as it was going through its golden age | Apr 29 18:44 |
| scientes | and those with money were very literate | Apr 29 18:44 |
| scientes | and passionate about science and phamphlets | Apr 29 18:44 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: Or were you sarcasm'ing? | Apr 29 18:44 |
| scientes | no | Apr 29 18:45 |
| scientes | but I guess the KJV is just OK because it is so common | Apr 29 18:45 |
| scientes | it was it what I had | Apr 29 18:45 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: In series and cartoons I have noticed some really weird stuff like posh usage of "thou" as a plural too, "ye olde" actually pronounced with a "y"… why do they do that… | Apr 29 18:46 |
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| XRevan86 | I think in Futurama I heard "actually it's "octopi" and not "octopuses"" | Apr 29 18:47 |
| XRevan86 | and in some other cartoons, enough to make a mental note on it | Apr 29 18:47 |
| scientes | hehehehe | Apr 29 18:47 |
| scientes | when I was a kid we would try to learn all those | Apr 29 18:47 |
| scientes | and we never got them | Apr 29 18:47 |
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| scientes | I mean, I know doe, buck, deer, kid, fowl, et cetera | Apr 29 18:48 |
| scientes | but still | Apr 29 18:48 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: It's octopuses | Apr 29 18:48 |
| scientes | the plurals are much more esoteric | Apr 29 18:48 |
| XRevan86 | or "octopodes" if you hate "octopuses" | Apr 29 18:48 |
| scientes | and there is much middle inglès influence, such as "mice" | Apr 29 18:48 |
| scientes | octopodes is very latin | Apr 29 18:48 |
| scientes | maybe octopiès | Apr 29 18:48 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: It is in fact Greek %) | Apr 29 18:48 |
| scientes | o ocho piès | Apr 29 18:49 |
| XRevan86 | and Latin too, actually… | Apr 29 18:50 |
| XRevan86 | you're right | Apr 29 18:50 |
| XRevan86 | https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/octopus#Latin plural: octōpodēs | Apr 29 18:51 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wiktionary.org | octopus - Wiktionary | Apr 29 18:51 | |
| XRevan86 | and https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/ὀκτώπους#Ancient_Greek plural: ὀκτώποδες | Apr 29 18:51 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wiktionary.org | ὀκτώπους - Wiktionary | Apr 29 18:52 | |
| XRevan86 | Is it weird how similiar Latin's and Greek's declensions are? | Apr 29 18:52 |
| XRevan86 | > Words borrowed from Greek's third declension are inflected with a varying mixture of Greek and Latin case endings. | Apr 29 18:52 |
| XRevan86 | Ah, Latin did the same thing English does now. | Apr 29 18:53 |
| XRevan86 | loans declensions too | Apr 29 18:53 |
| scientes | I still am super not use to this who "bazillions of languages" thing | Apr 29 18:53 |
| scientes | it is not like that in the Americas | Apr 29 18:53 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: Luckily for us there's Wiktionary. | Apr 29 18:54 |
| scientes | but why are all words under English? | Apr 29 18:54 |
| XRevan86 | That will explain the whole zamies for us :) | Apr 29 18:54 |
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| XRevan86 | scientes: Because English grabs everything with "mine-mine-mine"? :D | Apr 29 18:55 |
| scientes | well, that is true | Apr 29 18:55 |
| scientes | French tries to do the opposite AFAIK | Apr 29 18:55 |
| scientes | they were telling people not to use "blog" | Apr 29 18:55 |
| scientes | because it is too anglo | Apr 29 18:55 |
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| XRevan86 | scientes: I think that there should be a balance between loaning and… avoiding unnecessary loans. | Apr 29 18:56 |
| scientes | XRevan86, there is a venue for everything /sarcasm | Apr 29 18:57 |
| scientes | especially the way English butchers that word | Apr 29 18:57 |
| XRevan86 | venue? | Apr 29 18:57 |
| scientes | yes | Apr 29 18:57 |
| scientes | its French | Apr 29 18:57 |
| XRevan86 | Of course it's French :D | Apr 29 18:58 |
| scientes | French culture is one of those thing I prefer to observe from afar | Apr 29 18:59 |
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| XRevan86 | scientes: especially, butcher – French | Apr 29 18:59 |
| XRevan86 | culture, prefer, observe – French | Apr 29 19:00 |
| scientes | There was a time where they had great nuclear electricity | Apr 29 19:00 |
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| XRevan86 | nuclear, electric – Latin, actually. | Apr 29 19:01 |
| scientes | Electra, Euripedes | Apr 29 19:02 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: Most of the words in English are of French origin, so it's kind of a rule of thumb – if it's a noun, it's probably from French %) | Apr 29 19:03 |
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| XRevan86 | works 80% of the time | Apr 29 19:03 |
| scientes | it has anglo too | Apr 29 19:04 |
| XRevan86 | most != all | Apr 29 19:04 |
| scientes | it has basically everything | Apr 29 19:04 |
| scientes | except maybe arabic | Apr 29 19:04 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: French is the most common source still. | Apr 29 19:04 |
| scientes | i don't know any french however | Apr 29 19:05 |
| scientes | but yeah I hear it is French minus the complicated grammer | Apr 29 19:05 |
| XRevan86 | https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Category:English_terms_borrowed_from_Arabic | Apr 29 19:05 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wiktionary.org | Category:English terms borrowed from Arabic - Wiktionary | Apr 29 19:05 | |
| scientes | Spanish has much more arabic | Apr 29 19:05 |
| scientes | because of the history | Apr 29 19:05 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: That's also not true. It's more of a Romance carcass put on top of a Germanic skeleton. | Apr 29 19:06 |
| scientes | ^^^ | Apr 29 19:06 |
| scientes | yeah | Apr 29 19:06 |
| scientes | I suddenly have a strong urge to try to think in Spanish | Apr 29 19:07 |
| scientes | I will have to read Wikipedia every day for that to happen | Apr 29 19:07 |
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| *XRevan86 often thinks in English when thinks about concepts learnt with English. | Apr 29 19:08 | |
| scientes | I only read about stuff I am already familiar with | Apr 29 19:09 |
| scientes | makes it much easier to read | Apr 29 19:09 |
| scientes | Además, acuñó el término neolatino electricus (que, a su vez, proviene de ήλεκτρον [elektron], la palabra griega para ámbar) para referirse a la propiedad de atraer pequeños objetos después de haberlos frotado.11 Esto originó los términos eléctrico y electricidad, que aparecen por vez primera en 1646 en la publicación Pseudodoxia Epidemica de Thomas Browne.12 | Apr 29 19:09 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: A lot of information I take in is in English, so you can see where I'm coming from. | Apr 29 19:10 |
| scientes | so not Euripides | Apr 29 19:10 |
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| scientes | well yeah programming has this "english only" attitude | Apr 29 19:18 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: It definitely has. | Apr 29 19:18 |
| scientes | AFAIK engineering is not at all like that | Apr 29 19:19 |
| XRevan86 | English has ensured its dominance in IT %) | Apr 29 19:19 |
| scientes | for open source I kinda get it.... | Apr 29 19:19 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: It's always easier to learn the necessary vocabulary than to try to reinvent the wheel in a local language. | Apr 29 19:20 |
| XRevan86 | Especially when the result is abominations like what 1C has. | Apr 29 19:20 |
| scientes | well yeah the words are so specialized too | Apr 29 19:20 |
| scientes | like "string" or "pointer" et cetera | Apr 29 19:20 |
| scientes | programming is SO full of jargon too, because so much is so abstract | Apr 29 19:21 |
| scientes | its really hard sometimes to cut through the jargon | Apr 29 19:22 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: Indeed. I guess it's more English-based than actual English. | Apr 29 19:22 |
| scientes | "pointer" is hardly even an English word | Apr 29 19:22 |
| scientes | except "laser pointer" | Apr 29 19:23 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: указка | Apr 29 19:23 |
| XRevan86 | that's also a pointer | Apr 29 19:23 |
| XRevan86 | apparently also called a fescue | Apr 29 19:23 |
| scientes | or dereference | Apr 29 19:23 |
| scientes | or reference | Apr 29 19:24 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: "reference" is perfectly normal | Apr 29 19:25 |
| scientes | i was mentioning synonyms of pointer | Apr 29 19:25 |
| XRevan86 | now "dereference" is truly jargon | Apr 29 19:25 |
| scientes | "dereference a pointer" | Apr 29 19:25 |
| scientes | or programming's use of "deprecated" | Apr 29 19:25 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: "pointer" makes sense, because it is a variable that points to an address. | Apr 29 19:26 |
| XRevan86 | so… a pointer | Apr 29 19:26 |
| XRevan86 | "deprecated" – yes, also jargon | Apr 29 19:26 |
| scientes | XRevan86, but a pointer *IS* an address | Apr 29 19:26 |
| scientes | at least in the English use of the word address | Apr 29 19:26 |
| scientes | on mail | Apr 29 19:27 |
| XRevan86 | Which will probably spread into other areas too, as its meaning is applicable for many applications. | Apr 29 19:27 |
| scientes | deprecate is English for "to strongly discourage" | Apr 29 19:27 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: pointer is not an address, it's a variable holding an address | Apr 29 19:27 |
| scientes | XRevan86, but that would be a "location" | Apr 29 19:27 |
| scientes | when i write a letter, I write the persons *address* on it | Apr 29 19:27 |
| scientes | on the envelope | Apr 29 19:28 |
| scientes | before sending it | Apr 29 19:28 |
| scientes | this word is also used in ipv4 ipv6 packets | Apr 29 19:28 |
| scientes | source and destination *address* | Apr 29 19:28 |
| scientes | of course 2D is quite differen't from RAM which is addressed linearly | Apr 29 19:29 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: It doesn't have to make "real world" analogies this far. | Apr 29 19:29 |
| scientes | anyways, just showing it is so jargon-heavy | Apr 29 19:29 |
| scientes | when mentioned in the news they translated "bug" to something IIRC | Apr 29 19:30 |
| scientes | and I forgot which word because it wasn't computer-English | Apr 29 19:30 |
| XRevan86 | error? mistake? failure? | Apr 29 19:31 |
| scientes | because the writer is like "we can't say bug, that makes no sense at all" | Apr 29 19:31 |
| scientes | even github avoids the word | Apr 29 19:31 |
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| XRevan86 | scientes: But you can see how "pointer" on the contrary does make literal sense. | Apr 29 19:32 |
| scientes | its fine | Apr 29 19:32 |
| XRevan86 | And bug, spam – those just make poetic, metaphorical sense | Apr 29 19:33 |
| scientes | yes, its good poetry | Apr 29 19:33 |
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| XRevan86 | And "dereference" is just made up %) | Apr 29 19:34 |
| scientes | but "debugging" I mean seriously | Apr 29 19:34 |
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| scientes | is that what monkeys do when picking out each other's lice? | Apr 29 19:34 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: Should've been bugsquashing :D | Apr 29 19:34 |
| scientes | yeah that is better | Apr 29 19:34 |
| XRevan86 | gbs – GNU Bug Squasher | Apr 29 19:34 |
| scientes | that's nicely poetic | Apr 29 19:35 |
| XRevan86 | to debug → to squash | Apr 29 19:35 |
| scientes | XRevan86, and then "load" and "store" is usually only used in assembly | Apr 29 19:35 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: Have you noticed that vectors are not vectors? | Apr 29 19:38 |
| MinceR | why would they not be? | Apr 29 19:38 |
| scientes | never really thought about that one before | Apr 29 19:38 |
| scientes | but yeah | Apr 29 19:38 |
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| MinceR | vectors are single-dimensional matrices | Apr 29 19:38 |
| scientes | but to me it was always a given that computer math is bastardized math, except for the fact that it now get more attention..... | Apr 29 19:39 |
| scientes | there was just never any effort to match math notation | Apr 29 19:39 |
| scientes | like horrible use of = in assignment | Apr 29 19:39 |
| scientes | instead of, like <-, ->, which should be used | Apr 29 19:39 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: Because vectors have a fixed length. | Apr 29 19:40 |
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| scientes | XRevan86, there is a ARM vector arch with variable length | Apr 29 19:41 |
| scientes | actually two with variable length | Apr 29 19:41 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: That's "(computing) vector" :) | Apr 29 19:41 |
| MinceR | XRevan86: are variables defined in mathematics? :> | Apr 29 19:41 |
| scientes | MinceR, no, but TAoCP actually tries to not butcher math notation | Apr 29 19:42 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: You know, when something not called a vector is closer to a vector than a vector, then something's fishy. | Apr 29 19:42 |
| scientes | with wierd C-isms | Apr 29 19:42 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: That's a C++-ism | Apr 29 19:42 |
| MinceR | XRevan86: what is that "something"? | Apr 29 19:42 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: static array | Apr 29 19:42 |
| scientes | XRevan86, as someone that has done a fair amount of vector programming, the compiler/language support is absolutely shit | Apr 29 19:42 |
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| scientes | gcc and llvm now have pretty good support, but it isn't really exposed to any language | Apr 29 19:43 |
| scientes | I think the main problem is the slow turn-around to be usable in improving the compiler | Apr 29 19:47 |
| scientes | My main problem is always that I am a linguist, so I get caught up in my own thinking, and then can't nail anything down | Apr 29 19:47 |
| scientes | also, in zig there was a technical mistake after which I gave up.... | Apr 29 19:48 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: What mistake? | Apr 29 19:48 |
| scientes | hmmm, let me remember | Apr 29 19:48 |
| MinceR | XRevan86: so, how are variables defined in mathematics? | Apr 29 19:48 |
| scientes | MinceR, variables introduce the 4th dimension of time | Apr 29 19:49 |
| scientes | so I don't think that is generally thought of as "math" | Apr 29 19:49 |
| scientes | also the math-heavy grammers are all SSA | Apr 29 19:50 |
| scientes | so don't have variables | Apr 29 19:50 |
| MinceR | seems like this distinction does not appear in mathematics, then | Apr 29 19:50 |
| scientes | compilers prefer SSA | Apr 29 19:50 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: You can also notice that there exist languages like Erlang/Elixir that do not have variables per-se at all. | Apr 29 19:50 |
| MinceR | yes, impractical languages do exist | Apr 29 19:50 |
| scientes | XRevan86, or the common LLVM-IR | Apr 29 19:51 |
| MinceR | then there's SIMPLE, which doesn't even have constants, values or symbols | Apr 29 19:51 |
| MinceR | just BEGIN, END and STOP | Apr 29 19:51 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: Elixir is what https://pleroma.site/schestowitz (site) written in. | Apr 29 19:51 |
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| scientes | my feet hurt so much right now | Apr 29 19:51 |
| MinceR | does this make algorithms that rely on mutable state stop existing? | Apr 29 19:52 |
| scientes | last week I walked 40km in one day, and they didn't hurt as much as today | Apr 29 19:52 |
| scientes | when I only walked a few kms | Apr 29 19:52 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: It means that programming without mutable state is not non-existent. | Apr 29 19:52 |
| MinceR | it does? | Apr 29 19:52 |
| MinceR | strange | Apr 29 19:52 |
| MinceR | i thought that's what this whole "pure functional" fad was all about | Apr 29 19:53 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: And so here's a question: would you call an immutable math-y array from Elixir a vector? | Apr 29 19:53 |
| scientes | yeah, I don't really know what functional programming is | Apr 29 19:53 |
| MinceR | if i used it in elixir (which is unlikely), i'd call it whatever elixir calls it | Apr 29 19:53 |
| scientes | computers are fundamentally procedural | Apr 29 19:53 |
| MinceR | the closest i know is a python tuple | Apr 29 19:53 |
| scientes | so it all has to end up there | Apr 29 19:53 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: Programming centred around pure functions. | Apr 29 19:54 |
| scientes | that's why I ended up in C: I wanted to have some awareness of what the computer was actually doing | Apr 29 19:54 |
| scientes | XRevan86, C would be much nicer if you could use slices so many more things could be marked pure | Apr 29 19:55 |
| scientes | cause pointers always mean you can't do that | Apr 29 19:55 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: You know, C is C. | Apr 29 19:55 |
| scientes | anyways, I got into the whole zig thing | Apr 29 19:55 |
| scientes | but then had to step away from it | Apr 29 19:56 |
| scientes | but it is pretty cool | Apr 29 19:56 |
| MinceR | move zig !! | Apr 29 19:56 |
| scientes | it has the same problem as other languages though (except basically C) where it develops its own cult that can't see the world outside of it | Apr 29 19:57 |
| scientes | its easy to get miopic like that | Apr 29 19:57 |
| scientes | which is why I like C | Apr 29 19:57 |
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| scientes | anyways, I'm blabbering | Apr 29 19:58 |
| scientes | I need to sleep | Apr 29 19:58 |
| MinceR | good reason to know multiple languages | Apr 29 19:58 |
| XRevan86 | > if i used it in elixir (which is unlikely), i'd call it whatever elixir calls it | Apr 29 19:59 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: Not the point. It's a hypothetical situation reason for which is to remove variables from consideration. | Apr 29 19:59 |
| XRevan86 | and to get closer to math with functional programming | Apr 29 20:00 |
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| MinceR | wouldn't it be even closer to math to not program at all? :> | Apr 29 20:00 |
| XRevan86 | So what should be called with a math-y term vector – something farther from math with dynamic allocation and all that or… not that? | Apr 29 20:03 |
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| MinceR | whatever holds a single-dimensional matrix could be called a vector | Apr 29 20:13 |
| XRevan86 | with push and pop | Apr 29 20:14 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: An associative array can also hold it. | Apr 29 20:15 |
| MinceR | then you should call them vectors | Apr 29 20:16 |
| MinceR | and people will laugh at you | Apr 29 20:16 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: Indeed they will. | Apr 29 20:16 |
| MinceR | though iirc that's how lua does arrays | Apr 29 20:17 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: I had PHP in mind. | Apr 29 20:18 |
| XRevan86 | but yes | Apr 29 20:18 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: If you indeed put a vector there, it's perfectly valid to call that variable so | Apr 29 20:19 |
| XRevan86 | but as a name of the type it still doesn't hold up | Apr 29 20:19 |
| XRevan86 | Heck, you can store a vector in a linked list. | Apr 29 20:19 |
| MinceR | and you might even want to | Apr 29 20:19 |
| MinceR | you could also store one in a deque | Apr 29 20:20 |
| XRevan86 | heaps, stacks, all that too | Apr 29 20:20 |
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| XRevan86 | A fixed ordered unassociative array is still the closest thing to a mathematical vector. | Apr 29 20:23 |
| MinceR | and a mutable, resizable unassociative array is exactly as close to a mathematical vector | Apr 29 20:23 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: That it can hold it doesn't make it similiar in any way. | Apr 29 20:25 |
| MinceR | all the differences are orthogonal to mathematics | Apr 29 20:25 |
| MinceR | https://www.smbc-comics.com/comic/2d | Apr 29 20:26 |
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| XRevan86 | MinceR: If you take a professional mathematician or a physicist, give them examples of arrays, which one are they more likely to pick as something that resembles? | Apr 29 20:28 |
| XRevan86 | a vector | Apr 29 20:28 |
| XRevan86 | something they'd rather call "vector" | Apr 29 20:28 |
| XRevan86 | Because with semantics reasonable expectations are pretty much key, I think. | Apr 29 20:29 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: Yes, we're literally arguing over semantics :). | Apr 29 20:30 |
| MinceR | i doubt you'll find a professional mathematician or physicist who is totally unaware of programming today | Apr 29 20:30 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: It is a thought experiment. Time travel is allowed :D | Apr 29 20:31 |
| MinceR | in any case, i suspect the whole deal of what was called an "array", "vector" or "list" is simply historical | Apr 29 20:31 |
| MinceR | whichever was needed first, which term came to the programmer's mind first | Apr 29 20:31 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: That is indeed true. | Apr 29 20:31 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: But remember that this started from a discussion of computing-specific jargon | Apr 29 20:31 |
| MinceR | did someone say that the array/vector/list/tuple distinction is not computing-specific? :> | Apr 29 20:32 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: "vector" is an example of jargon that doesn't work outside of computing, it was made up in place. | Apr 29 20:33 |
| MinceR | depends on which aspect | Apr 29 20:34 |
| MinceR | the aspect of it that exists outside of computing, works there :> | Apr 29 20:34 |
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| XRevan86 | MinceR: I found this: https://stackoverflow.com/a/758548 %) | Apr 29 20:35 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-stackoverflow.com | stl - Why is a C++ Vector called a Vector? - Stack Overflow | Apr 29 20:35 | |
| XRevan86 | > It's called a vector because Alex Stepanov, the designer of the Standard Template Library, was looking for a name to distinguish it from built-in arrays. He admits now that he made a mistake | Apr 29 20:35 |
| XRevan86 | > The comment about it being a mistake can be found in his book "From mathematics to Generic programming" | Apr 29 20:35 |
| MinceR | yes, that recapitulates my historical argument in specifics | Apr 29 20:35 |
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| MinceR | also, there's no explanation of why he thinks it's a mistake | Apr 29 20:36 |
| XRevan86 | > There are only two hard things in Computer Science: cache invalidation and naming things -- Phil Karlton | Apr 29 20:39 |
| MinceR | apparently in Common Lisp vectors can have a preset size or a variable size | Apr 29 20:43 |
| MinceR | http://www.lispworks.com/documentation/HyperSpec/Body/t_vector.htm | Apr 29 20:43 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.lispworks.com | CLHS: System Class VECTOR | Apr 29 20:43 | |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: That works. | Apr 29 20:43 |
| MinceR | and apparently arrays can have more dimensions | Apr 29 20:44 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: That distinction in Lisp is sensible. | Apr 29 20:45 |
| MinceR | (cat) https://full.pr0gramm.com/2015/10/29/15350f1232b9982b.jpg | Apr 29 20:47 |
| MinceR | https://www.smbc-comics.com/comic/vintage | Apr 29 21:07 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.smbc-comics.com | Saturday Morning Breakfast Cereal - Vintage | Apr 29 21:07 | |
| kingoffrance | scientes, the us is still 99% illiterate on all topics . not much has changed | Apr 29 21:12 |
| kingoffrance | "american citizen" doesnt exist, federal or state are the 2 only possible options, and variants thereof. 99% of people are talking gibberish | Apr 29 21:13 |
| kingoffrance | 99% of the time | Apr 29 21:13 |
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| MinceR | https://www.smbc-comics.com/comic/charlottes-web | Apr 29 21:33 |
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| cubexyz | I think if you were to read english books from the 18th century you would notice a definite difference to current english | Apr 29 22:43 |
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| cubexyz | 19th century not so much, it would be more of a difference in style and phraseology | Apr 29 22:44 |
| cubexyz | here is an interesting one: | Apr 29 22:46 |
| cubexyz | "A name has not yet been found for horseless carriages... The latest suggestion we have had is 'motor car'. Daily Chronicle (25 October 1895)" | Apr 29 22:47 |
| cubexyz | no one now would say "motor car" | Apr 29 22:47 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: I've heard it sometimes | Apr 29 22:48 |
| XRevan86 | It makes sense since "car" is also used for train cars. | Apr 29 22:48 |
| cubexyz | XRevan86, true | Apr 29 22:48 |
| XRevan86 | But at the same time, motor cars are much more prevalent in speech, so no wonder they're the ones that get to be the default. | Apr 29 22:49 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: But if you have a sentence in which it is ambiguous which car you mean, motor car can pop up. Albeit more likely the word "automobile" will be used instead. | Apr 29 22:50 |
| cubexyz | yes I was trying to think of recent changes in english, say the last 120+ years or so | Apr 29 22:50 |
| cubexyz | yes, that's a fair point | Apr 29 22:51 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: A lot of new slang and phraseologisms that got mainstream. | Apr 29 22:51 |
| XRevan86 | New euphemisms, for which schestowitz gave an example for today :D | Apr 29 22:52 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: I saw Martin Luther King's speech recently, which is superb | Apr 29 22:53 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: But one thing is quite dated: he calls himself a negro. | Apr 29 22:54 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: So one quite visible force of language change is an phase out of terms for disenfranchised groups. | Apr 29 22:55 |
| XRevan86 | My favourite new one is "person of colour", because I have a strong feeling it will be considered derogatory in a decade or two. | Apr 29 22:57 |
| XRevan86 | * "favourite" | Apr 29 22:58 |
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| XRevan86 | cubexyz: So, lots of change for sure. | Apr 29 22:58 |
| XRevan86 | Not that much structural change though. Hard to talk about pronunciation changes though, since it's so diverse. | Apr 29 23:01 |
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| MinceR | https://ircz.de/p/19101758 | Apr 29 23:07 |
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| XRevan86 | cubexyz: Oh, and a lot of taboos have been lifted, so even on television people start to be more direct. Maybe that'll finally kill of all those silly euphemisms. | Apr 29 23:07 |
| XRevan86 | * kill off | Apr 29 23:08 |
| XRevan86 | Though I don't know, maybe the religious chaps still shiver when they hear "damn you to hell", and get trauma from the prospect of being "actually" damned to "actual" hell. | Apr 29 23:10 |
| CrystalMath | not with me, i never swear | Apr 29 23:10 |
| CrystalMath | except for "damn" as i don't find that real | Apr 29 23:10 |
| CrystalMath | so i can say it, it's nothing basically | Apr 29 23:10 |
| CrystalMath | as well as "hell" | Apr 29 23:10 |
| CrystalMath | but i sometimes use darn, heck, and gosh, regardless | Apr 29 23:10 |
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| XRevan86 | So the sentiment that "hell" is a scary word is on its way out. | Apr 29 23:12 |
| MinceR | what will replace it? | Apr 29 23:12 |
| MinceR | "actual hell"? | Apr 29 23:12 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: Why does it need a replacement? | Apr 29 23:13 |
| CrystalMath | i avoid using bad words that are sexual in nature | Apr 29 23:13 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: You could try "go to colonial prison" %). | Apr 29 23:14 |
| XRevan86 | that's scary, right? | Apr 29 23:14 |
| XRevan86 | and bonus, a real place | Apr 29 23:14 |
| MinceR | lol | Apr 29 23:15 |
| MinceR | "Well done, android. The Enrichment Center once again reminds you that android hell is a real place where you will be sent at the first sign of defiance." | Apr 29 23:15 |
| MinceR | i don't think these words are bad anyway | Apr 29 23:17 |
| MinceR | they convey meaning | Apr 29 23:17 |
| MinceR | and that's what words are for | Apr 29 23:17 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: Apparently when a religious person heard "well, hell, damn it" on TV, they had a PTSD flashback | Apr 29 23:18 |
| MinceR | lol | Apr 29 23:19 |
| MinceR | evidently, religion is bad for your mental health | Apr 29 23:19 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: Scaring children with hell sure is. | Apr 29 23:19 |
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| XRevan86 | so that they grow up to have flashbacks of when they were scared shitless of something that never existed | Apr 29 23:20 |
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| XRevan86 | (I'm assuming that's the logic behind this, because at least that makes half a sense) | Apr 29 23:21 |
| MinceR | it could also be Patriotic Correctness | Apr 29 23:21 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: No matter how ill-concieved, that still needs some real problem for basis. | Apr 29 23:22 |
| MinceR | could be just a lame excuse for throwing a fit about some other person saying something they didn't like | Apr 29 23:23 |
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| MinceR | that seems to be a "real problem" nowadays | Apr 29 23:23 |
| XRevan86 | Russian Orthodox offendies never cared about the word "ad" or damning people themselves. | Apr 29 23:23 |
| XRevan86 | If even they don't care, then it's not something inherent to the concept of hell. | Apr 29 23:25 |
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| MinceR | https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/GoshdangItToHeck | Apr 29 23:25 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-tvtropes.org | Gosh Dang It to Heck! - TV Tropes | Apr 29 23:25 | |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: "nowadays" – that ban has been in English media for ages. | Apr 29 23:25 |
| MinceR | different cults may have different opinions of what is inherent to the concept of hell | Apr 29 23:26 |
| MinceR | that ban may have been, but others (or attempts to create others) not so much | Apr 29 23:26 |
| XRevan86 | Fire everywhere, chorts dancing around cauldrons with the sinners? | Apr 29 23:26 |
| MinceR | :) | Apr 29 23:26 |
| MinceR | demons, lakes of blood, lakes of lava, red bricks, green marble, ammo and healing items for any space marine who might turn up | Apr 29 23:27 |
| MinceR | teleport pads | Apr 29 23:27 |
| cubexyz | XRevan86, I'd say there's a difference in phraseology in that post 1990 young people are more likely to use derogatory and caustic comments | Apr 29 23:28 |
| cubexyz | that appears to be lessening though | Apr 29 23:28 |
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| MinceR | > "Blyad"(technically "Whore", but used more like "Fuck") becomes "Blin" (Pancake) in front of sensitive ears. | Apr 29 23:31 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: Note this is sexual | Apr 29 23:32 |
| cubexyz | compare 1990s usenet to some facebook or youtube comments | Apr 29 23:32 |
| MinceR | what's not sexual about a whore? :> | Apr 29 23:32 |
| cubexyz | it's gotten worse | Apr 29 23:32 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: That can be explained with accessibility and what gets promoted by the platform. | Apr 29 23:34 |
| MinceR | the spanish seem to be doing it right | Apr 29 23:34 |
| XRevan86 | Maybe people got worse, maybe Internet got worse, maybe both. | Apr 29 23:34 |
| MinceR | Eternal September | Apr 29 23:35 |
| XRevan86 | Russophone Internet keeps the ironising mocking outlook on discussion, but maybe it's because I hang out in old school places. | Apr 29 23:37 |
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| XRevan86 | I remember some people getting in, failing to get respect for their persona and leaving being personally offended. So not a representative slice of society. | Apr 29 23:39 |
| XRevan86 | > In North America, "arse" is used as a non-offensive variant of "ass" in the same context as using "heck" instead of "hell." | Apr 29 23:40 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: This is the craziest sentence so far. | Apr 29 23:40 |
| MinceR | :) | Apr 29 23:40 |
| XRevan86 | A euphemism that literally means donkey is more offensive than the actual literal word for butt it replaced. | Apr 29 23:41 |
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| XRevan86 | It also makes phrases ambiguous | Apr 29 23:43 |
| MinceR | "I have three things to say today. First, while you were sleeping last night, 30,000 kids died of starvation or diseases caused by malnutrition. Second, most of you don't give a shit. [dramatic pause] What's worse is that you're more upset about the fact that I said shit than the fact that 30,000 kids died last night." | Apr 29 23:43 |
| XRevan86 | Who can clarify: to work one's ass off – is that donkey, butt or both? | Apr 29 23:44 |
| MinceR | obviously arse | Apr 29 23:44 |
| MinceR | what would a donkey be worked off of? | Apr 29 23:44 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: Ploughing | Apr 29 23:44 |
| XRevan86 | Lots and lots | Apr 29 23:45 |
| MinceR | what would the donkey be detached from as a result of that? | Apr 29 23:45 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: Good point. | Apr 29 23:46 |
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| XRevan86 | hard-ass is about donkeys, right? | Apr 29 23:49 |
| MinceR | could be, but donkeys are rarely qualified by hardness, as far as i know | Apr 29 23:50 |
| XRevan86 | hardworking? | Apr 29 23:50 |
| MinceR | that would be a "hardworking ass" | Apr 29 23:50 |
| XRevan86 | A stubborn donkey with a thick skull? | Apr 29 23:51 |
| MinceR | not sure about that one | Apr 29 23:51 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: But how arse stiffness can affect stubbornness? | Apr 29 23:51 |
| MinceR | ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ | Apr 29 23:51 |
| XRevan86 | See what I mean? %) | Apr 29 23:52 |
| kingoffrance | i dunno that phrase but "beat the crap out of" apparently that was the sign centuries ago that torture/interrogation was done...when they started crapping themselves, that was the line you werent supposed to cross :) | Apr 29 23:52 |
| kingoffrance | so that was a legal thing :) | Apr 29 23:52 |
| MinceR | :> | Apr 29 23:52 |
| XRevan86 | kingoffrance: That's really dark. | Apr 29 23:53 |
| MinceR | and that's how we like it | Apr 29 23:53 |
| XRevan86 | badass – what about that one? | Apr 29 23:54 |
| MinceR | it's not literal either way | Apr 29 23:54 |
| MinceR | even the badness isn't literal | Apr 29 23:54 |
| XRevan86 | A dirty arse doesn't deliver it for me. | Apr 29 23:54 |
| MinceR | it could be bad in some other way | Apr 29 23:55 |
| XRevan86 | A tough donkey is not that appealing either | Apr 29 23:55 |
| MinceR | does a bad donkey deliver it for you? | Apr 29 23:55 |
| XRevan86 | He's a donkey and he's baaaad | Apr 29 23:55 |
| MinceR | sounds more like something that would apply to sheep | Apr 29 23:56 |
| XRevan86 | That made me lol | Apr 29 23:56 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: Donkeys can be very stubborn | Apr 29 23:57 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: Maybe this is упрямый осёл, but with a positive twist | Apr 29 23:58 |
| MinceR | :) | Apr 29 23:58 |
| XRevan86 | Вот осёл – what an ass | Apr 29 23:59 |
| XRevan86 | Now that's a good pair | Apr 29 23:59 |
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