●● IRC: #techrights @ Techrights IRC Network: Friday, April 29, 2022 ●●
● Apr 29
[00:00]	TR News	False headline, but it's Daily Fail https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10761553/Google-says-Chrome-browser-successfully-targeted-hackers.html
[00:00]		-AltLink_97e/#techrights- CloudFlare: dailymail.co.uk | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10761553/Google-says-Chrome-browser-successfully-targeted-hackers.html https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10761553/Google-says-Chrome-browser-successfully-targeted-hackers.html
[00:00]	TR Bot	 Google says its Chrome browser has been successfully targeted by hackers | Daily Mail Online
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[00:00]	matey	"im going to fucking kill google" says one of the 10 (known) richest men on earth, 2 of which are from microsoft and 2 of which are from google
[00:01]	TR News	Microsoft: We are market leaders! Shareholders: in what? Microsoft: in FUD!
[00:01]	DaemonFC	"On Thursday afternoon, Biden tried to pull attention back to that bigger picture by inviting small business owners to the White House."
[00:01]	DaemonFC	To be fair, that large group of midgets that ate the hotel breakfast clean and horrified John's mom could have been small business owners.
[00:01]	DaemonFC	MinceR, ^
[00:02]	matey	i dont think thats what it means
[00:02]	MinceR	:>
[00:02]	DaemonFC	Well, it doesn't matter what kind of business it is if a midget owns it. Because they'd still be a small business owner.
[00:02]	TR News	Was this multi-part series scheduled to coincide with Microsoft FUD? The timing seems odd. https://www.techtarget.com/searchsecurity/feature/Why-companies-should-focus-on-preventing-privilege-escalation
[00:02]		-AltLink_97e/#techrights- CloudFlare: techtarget.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.techtarget.com/searchsecurity/feature/Why-companies-should-focus-on-preventing-privilege-escalation https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://www.techtarget.com/searchsecurity/feature/Why-companies-should-focus-on-preventing-privilege-escalation
[00:02]	TR Bot	 Why companies should focus on preventing privilege escalation
[00:03]	matey	/me thinks there should be a height requirement for people to meet biden... or for biden to meet them
[00:04]	TR News	Proprietary snake-oil for Linux; they probably target managers who have no clue... https://jumpcloud.com/blog/april-22-newsletter
[00:04]		-AltLink_97e/#techrights- CloudFlare: jumpcloud.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://jumpcloud.com/blog/april-22-newsletter https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://jumpcloud.com/blog/april-22-newsletter
[00:04]	TR Bot	'22 Newsletter - JumpCloud
[00:04]	matey	nothing i ever do is for bidens sake
[00:05]	matey	hes one of those people where the nicest thing i can think of to say about him is i like him better than mike godwin
[00:05]	matey	i meant hitler
[00:06]	matey	/me is waiting for the day where someone busts mike godwin for being a closet nazi
[00:06]	matey	preferably in brazil
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[00:08]	matey	either that or someone finds out that randall munroe and mike godwin were aliases of the SAME GUY all along
[00:10]	TR News	Ubuntu 22.10 Kinetic Kudu is Open for Development Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/164267
[00:10]	TR Bot	 Ubuntu 22.10 Kinetic Kudu is Open for Development | Tux Machines
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[00:11]	TR News	Create a blog post series with navigation in Jekyll | https://opensource.com/article/22/4/blog-series-navigation-jekyll Source: FreeSW | RedHat | IBM | GNU | Linux
[00:11]	TR Bot	a blog post series with navigation in Jekyll | Opensource.com
[00:13]	TR News	Set up Home Assistant for Insteon Cheap Hardware for a Linux Docker Server Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/164268
[00:13]	TR Bot	 Set up Home Assistant for Insteon Cheap Hardware for a Linux Docker Server | Tux Machines
[00:13]	matey	"seriously though, what the hell was that anyway? do you have any idea how..."
[00:13]	TR News	More spying where they want it https://www.theregister.com/2022/04/28/india_4g_upgrade/
[00:13]		-AltLink_97e/#techrights- CloudFlare: theregister.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.theregister.com/2022/04/28/india_4g_upgrade/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://www.theregister.com/2022/04/28/india_4g_upgrade/
[00:13]	TR Bot	 India to upgrade mobile nets near Maoist insurgents to 4G The Register
[00:13]	matey	"i can do what i want, im STEVE BALLMER, bitch!"
[00:14]	MinceR	"screw the rules, i have money!"
[00:15]	matey	https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/im-the-juggernaut-bitch
[00:15]		-AltLink_97e/#techrights- CloudFlare: knowyourmeme.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/im-the-juggernaut-bitch https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/im-the-juggernaut-bitch
[00:15]	TR Bot	 I'm The Juggernaut, Bitch! | Know Your Meme
[00:15]	matey	i guess we should be happy he didnt take his dick out
[00:15]	matey	"well of course not, i mean that would be ENTIRELY inappropriate!"
[00:16]	TR News	Mobile so-called 'phones' aren't "smart" and they're a terrible exchange: you give the government nanny state your location all the time (via carrier), you let corporations spy on all your data (+camera, microphone). All this for what? So you can make some worthless calls on the go?
[00:16]	TR News	Todays #HowTos | #UNIX Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/164269
[00:16]	TR Bot	 today's howtos | Tux Machines
[00:17]	matey	/me plays key and peele pirate shanty again
[00:17]	TR News	LXD 5.0 LTS equates VMs with containers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/164160#comment-33487
[00:17]	TR Bot	 LXD 5.0 LTS is now available | Tux Machines
[00:19]	MinceR	https://allthetropes.org/wiki/Screw_the_Rules,_I_Have_Money
[00:19]	TR Bot	 Screw the Rules, I Have Money - All The Tropes
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[00:21]	matey	carries a fine = free for rich people
[00:22]	DaemonFC	<matey> /me thinks there should be a height requirement for people to meet biden... or for biden to meet them
[00:22]	DaemonFC	Biden should be taller than everyone he meets.
[00:22]	DaemonFC	For the cameras.
[00:22]	matey	what if he was too short to sniff them though
[00:22]	DaemonFC	If you saw Lukashenko and Putin in the room together and did not know anything else, you'd figure Putin was on bottom.
[00:22]	matey	/me realises why that plan could go really badly, but being taller doesnt seem to help either
[00:23]	DaemonFC	I mean, my God, Lukashenko looks like Zangief got a bit older and shaved.
[00:23]	MinceR	who knows, maybe that's how it is in their bedrooms
[00:24]	TR News	Does this run on Windows? It does not say... https://www.cisa.gov/uscert/ics/advisories/icsa-22-118-01
[00:24]	TR Bot	 Johnson Controls Metasys | CISA
[00:24]	matey	/me hopes the thigh rub is part of an illuminati initiation rite
[00:24]	matey	i mean they WERE standing in a triangle.
[00:24]	MinceR	:)
[00:25]	TR News	Severy 9.8 (out of 10!) and it's Microsoft Windows (DLLs) https://www.cisa.gov/uscert/ics/advisories/icsa-22-081-01
[00:25]	TR Bot	 Delta Electronics DIAEnergie (Update B) | CISA
[00:25]	matey	that like proves it, or something
[00:25]	TR News	Severityy 9.8 (out of 10!) and it's Microsoft Windows (DLLs), as usual. But the media is obsessing over "Linux", citing Microsoft as "source"... https://www.cisa.gov/uscert/ics/advisories/icsa-22-081-01
[00:26]	matey	/me draws red lines to show the triangle formation to the sheeple
[00:27]	matey	you know shits gotten real when there are red lines involved
[00:27]	matey	because it shows the shapes that are being hidden in plain sight
[00:29]	matey	"yo, ding dong man, ding dong, ding dong yo!"-- fat
[00:31]	TR News	Ubuntu 22.04 LTS runs out of Wayland support with NVIDIA - LinuxStoney https://linuxstoney.com/ubuntu-22-04-lts-runs-out-of-wayland-support-with-nvidia/ Bleeding edge: ICBM makes you bleed and then sells bandages
[00:31]		-AltLink_97e/#techrights- CloudFlare: linuxstoney.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://linuxstoney.com/ubuntu-22-04-lts-runs-out-of-wayland-support-with-nvidia/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://linuxstoney.com/ubuntu-22-04-lts-runs-out-of-wayland-support-with-nvidia/
[00:31]	TR Bot	22.04 LTS runs out of Wayland support with NVIDIA - LinuxStoney
[00:32]	TR News	FreeBSD 13.1-RC5 might be the last RC. FreeBSD 13.1 ready to go soon.
[00:32]	TR News	Security Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/164270
[00:32]	TR Bot	 Security Leftovers | Tux Machines
[00:37]	DaemonFC	The Buick supports AAC files on a data CD.
[00:37]	DaemonFC	Probably because it has an AAC decoder to handle SiriusXM, but there's no mention of AAC CD support, just MP3.
[00:37]	TR News	Pop!_OS 22.04: New kid on the Ubuntu block starting to show real muscle http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/164117#comment-33488
[00:37]	TR Bot	 Pop!_OS 22.04 Launches Based on Ubuntu 22.04 LTS, Powered by Linux 5.16 and PipeWire | Tux Machines
[00:41]	matey	 Probably because it has an AAC decoder to handle SiriusXM <- til
[00:42]	matey	i made an mp3 cd player  before they were common. out of a 486 dx2.
[00:42]	matey	this was before i switched to gnu/linux, and believe me, i had tried.
[00:42]	matey	there was no hard drive. the computer didnt power itself off.
[00:42]	matey	just a floppy and a cdrom.
[00:43]	matey	no monitor, no keyboard, no mouse. connected it to the aux of my stereo (back when people had those things)
[00:43]	matey	now i have dj monitors (cost less than the stereo did) with builtin amps that sound better than anything ive owned before
[00:43]	matey	smaller too
[00:44]	matey	the cd just had a folder for each album, with each song as mp3
[00:44]	matey	the floppy ran dos, qbasic.exe, and booted directly into the program
[00:45]	matey	you turned the computer on, the program tried to write a file to the floppy
[00:45]	matey	why? because it had two modes. and no hard drive.
[00:45]	matey	if the floppy write protect switch (3.5") was set, it would play each album / song in order
[00:46]	matey	if you unset it, it would shuffle
[00:46]	matey	two years later i got a cd/mp3 walkman (this was before 2005 when i started boycotting sony)
[00:47]	matey	but building my own thing using parts i already owned was more fun
[00:47]	matey	i had a very cool dos-based mp3 player that was efficient enough to work on a 486 dx2
[00:48]	matey	im sure it would have never worked on a regular dx
[00:49]	matey	a few years later i would create a newer dos-based mp3 player based on the same software, minus the floppy, plus a hard drive and screen
[00:49]	matey	it was an old ruggedised gte laptop 
[00:50]	matey	one verticle line of pixels was crap, so it was annoying to use for computing but it was GREAT for an mp3 player with incredible capacity
[00:50]	matey	also vertical
[00:51]	matey	and a few years after that i switched to gnu/linux
[00:51]	TR News	Good example of webspam disguised as 'articles' or SEO junk which ruins the WWW https://linuxstoney.com/the-use-of-vpn-in-linux-systems/
[00:51]		-AltLink_97e/#techrights- CloudFlare: linuxstoney.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://linuxstoney.com/the-use-of-vpn-in-linux-systems/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://linuxstoney.com/the-use-of-vpn-in-linux-systems/
[00:51]	TR Bot	use of VPN in Linux Systems - LinuxStoney
[00:52]	TR News	"people talk about crime in sf, but both anecdotally and statistically, it's far lower than chicago." people talk about crime in sf, but both anecdotally and statistically, it's far lower than chicago.
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[00:52]	matey	it took a very long time to find a really great replacement for qbasic
[00:53]	psydruid	"honey, I screwed up the kids"
[00:53]	TR News	So You Want to Take a Snow Bath gemini://gemini.circumlunar.space/users/shufei/phlog/20220422-DIY-SnowBath.gmi
[00:53]	psydruid	"what should we do now?"
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[00:54]	TR News	SteamOS 3.2 Beta https://steamcommunity.com/app/1675200/discussions/0/3269060419612777126/
[00:54]	TR Bot	 SteamOS 3.2 Beta Patch Notes: April 27th, 2022 :: Steam Deck General Discussions
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[00:56]	MinceR	i replaced qbasic with borland pascal, and then i replaced that with gcc
[00:56]	matey	yeah but like
[00:57]	matey	when i was in high school, there was this kid who used to always go to the bbs... sites
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[00:57]	matey	bbesses
[00:57]	matey	whatever, those things
[00:57]	matey	i went to the free ones, he went long distance and premium
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[00:58]	matey	he was also the guy learning c
[00:58]	matey	which i thought was pretty impressive but
[00:58]	matey	when you can just say "screen 12" and this guy has to initalise the video blah blah blah
[00:58]	matey	its not like we were making fun of him, props to him
[00:58]	TR News	Arduino Nano vs Micro | Top Differences You Should Know https://linuxhint.com/arduino-nano-vs-micro/ Source: LinuxHint | GNU | Linux | FreeSW 
[00:58]		-AltLink_97e/#techrights- CloudFlare: linuxhint.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://linuxhint.com/arduino-nano-vs-micro/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://linuxhint.com/arduino-nano-vs-micro/
[00:58]	TR Bot	 Arduino Nano vs Micro | Top Differences You Should Know
[00:58]	matey	it just didnt sound like fun. at the time.
[00:59]	matey	when i was much younger than that of course, i wanted to learn c++ and become a professional application developer
[00:59]	IPFS	IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 27.68 k/sec., IPFS upstream 20.51 average k/sec., average swarm size 310.51
[00:59]	matey	turns out that isnt a whole lot of fun either. but i guess it depends who you ask
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[00:59]	TR News	Btrfs for mere mortals: inode allocation | Marcos Blog https://mpdesouza.com/blog/btrfs-for-mere-mortals-inode-allocation/ Source: mpdesouza
[00:59]		-AltLink_97e/#techrights- CloudFlare: mpdesouza.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://mpdesouza.com/blog/btrfs-for-mere-mortals-inode-allocation/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://mpdesouza.com/blog/btrfs-for-mere-mortals-inode-allocation/
[00:59]	TR Bot	 Btrfs for mere mortals: inode allocation | Marcos' Blog
[00:59]	matey	i became rather disenchanted with windows, ended up with other priorities
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[00:59]	matey	id give up on ibmgcc completely but
● Apr 29
[01:00]	matey	it still could be the lesser evil between that and msllvm
[01:00]	TR News	GCC 12.0.1 Status Report (2022-04-28) https://gcc.gnu.org/pipermail/gcc/2022-April/238617.html
[01:00]	TR Bot	 GCC 12.0.1 Status Report (2022-04-28)
[01:00]	matey	i mean openbsd is more forkable than gnu im sure
[01:00]	matey	but llvm is surely not more forkable than gcc
[01:01]	matey	or is it? i really dont know. seems like llvm is the bloatmonster from everyone ive talked to who knows something about it
[01:02]	matey	so it seems better to wait for a fork of gcc than llvm
[01:02]	matey	and as far as gnu/bsd goes, maybe openbsd with a gcc compiler, somehow
[01:02]	matey	i mean the option must be there
[01:03]	matey	ibm or microsoft, greeeeeaaat, familiar choices.
[01:04]	matey	i said someone would buy twitter and make it a personal ego thing
[01:04]	matey	i didnt say it would be THIS YEAR 
[01:04]	MinceR	:>
[01:04]	matey	but somehow i dont think ibm would be worse under musk
[01:04]	matey	he might actually kill it off, and that would be fantastic
[01:05]	matey	dont buy twitter man, buy ibm
[01:05]	matey	it needs elons special touch
[01:05]	matey	better than ballmers 
[01:05]	psydruid	I didn't actually have computer classes in school
[01:05]	matey	i didnt either but
[01:05]	matey	id been coding for years, and it was that or keyboarding.
[01:06]	TR News	Monte Vista [sic] https://www.eenewseurope.com/en/monte-vista-taps-foundries-io-for-edge-linux/ they meant MontaVista
[01:06]		-AltLink_97e/#techrights- CloudFlare: eenewseurope.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.eenewseurope.com/en/monte-vista-taps-foundries-io-for-edge-linux/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://www.eenewseurope.com/en/monte-vista-taps-foundries-io-for-edge-linux/
[01:06]	TR Bot	 Monte Vista taps Foundries.io for edge Linux - eeNews Europe
[01:06]	matey	i can type with my eyes closed but i never learned <- i had my eyes closed
[01:06]	matey	lots of jokes you can make there, but i favour speed over accuracy 
[01:06]	MinceR	he could buy MICROS~1 and crApple too
[01:06]	matey	yes but
[01:06]	matey	if i was the richest man on earth
[01:06]	matey	and owned things that NEEDED to work
[01:06]	matey	like self-driving cars, and fucking rockets
[01:07]	matey	the last thing i would do is buy MICROSOFT
[01:07]	DaemonFC	<matey> it took a very long time to find a really great replacement for qbasic
[01:07]	DaemonFC	qbasic works in FreeDOS.
[01:07]	matey	qbasic is both non-free and microsoft
[01:07]	psydruid	I used my MSX2 at home, which probably taught me more than I would have in school anyway
[01:07]	matey	i was interested in replacing it, but with what?
[01:07]	TR News	Like VMware actually wants to improve the security of things.... https://kubernetes.io/blog/2022/04/28/ingress-nginx-1-2-0/ see http://techrights.org/wiki/VMware
[01:07]	TR Bot	 Increasing the security bar in Ingress-NGINX v1.2.0 | Kubernetes
[01:07]	TR Bot	 VMware - Techrights
[01:07]	matey	i tried DOZENS of options.
[01:07]	DaemonFC	Yeah, but I mean, it's frozen in time on an OS without any network capabilities.
[01:07]	DaemonFC	So it's not like it matters much.
[01:07]	matey	it's frozen in time <- "stable"
[01:08]	matey	on an OS without any network capabilities <- no, it works in windows
[01:08]	TR News	Canonical at KubeCon Europe 2022 | Ubuntu https://ubuntu.com//blog/kubecon-2022-europe Source: ubuntu
[01:08]	matey	shell command.
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[01:08]	TR Bot	at KubeCon Europe 2022 | Ubuntu
[01:08]	matey	you can wget with the shell command.
[01:08]	matey	if you can get wget for windows. which i could.
[01:08]	psydruid	and I never used MS DOS and had a troubling Windows experience from the very beginning
[01:09]	psydruid	so it didn't take me long to stop using it completely
[01:09]	matey	i even use wget with python, because websites dont like urllib as much.
[01:09]	TR News	How and why EasyOS is different https://easyos.org/about/how-and-why-easyos-is-different.html
[01:09]	TR Bot	 How and why EasyOS is different
[01:09]	matey	 i mean my language supports urllib
[01:09]	matey	i just never use that command, even though i wrote it.
[01:10]	matey	and if you use wget, and you want to switch to something like a gemini analogue of wget
[01:10]	matey	thats trivial to change
[01:10]	matey	its just one string
[01:11]	matey	at any rate id hate to go back to qbasic NOW
[01:11]	matey	but it took many years to get to where nothing would make me miss it
[01:11]	matey	/me wont miss sigils
[01:26]	DaemonFC	I had MS-DOS 5 and then I upgraded to 6.22 by borrowing my aunt's floppies and copying them, which she in turn had copied from work,
[01:33]	matey	by the time it came to using a native command line in gnu/linux, i wanted to, but i still didnt have experience
[01:33]	matey	it made enough sense but in practice there were too many rules
[01:33]	matey	too many ways to tell it to do something when you just wanted it to treat it as text
[01:34]	matey	yes i knew how to escape but you had to use that, or forego using ' in text
[01:34]	matey	and then you couldnt even use basic $p and $()
[01:34]	matey	so it was all or nothing and not even that simple
[01:34]	matey	many years later i would find that pdksh was a LOT simpler than bash
[01:34]	matey	and hate bash for it
[01:34]	matey	well, i dont hate bash. but it did make things needlessly complicated
[01:35]	matey	i thought it was a unix thing. turns out its a bash thing.
[01:35]	matey	but im sure some shells are worse. unlike bash i would have never installed them in the first place-- thats why bash gets the brunt of this
[01:35]	matey	it was everywhere, and i thought that was a good thing
[01:36]	matey	but pdksh would have made things so much easier
[01:36]	matey	so i try to tell everyone to use it first if learning, if possible
[01:36]	matey	then if they still want an orbital death ray to shoot themselves in the foot, they can install bash or use it because its already there 
[01:37]	matey	it has a couple features i like. i wish i could remove the others. but then it would not be bash.
[01:37]	matey	as for dos, dont miss it
[01:38]	matey	freedos isnt free, a bit like freebsd
[01:38]	matey	dosemu is freedos, actually
[01:38]	matey	dosbox is the most free way to do dos, but unless im playing a dos game that cant be recompiled i have no use for it at this point
[01:39]	matey	at one point i liked all three. i was a freedos fan before it was using gnu/linux
[01:39]	matey	before i was
[01:40]	matey	and dosemu, if youve used it, for some things was cooler than dosbox
[01:40]	matey	but its not free, you need a non-free compiler for the parts of freedos it needs
[01:40]	matey	or some other (even less free) dos instead.
[01:40]	matey	as dosemu... isnt an emulator? at least it isnt standalone, afaik
[01:41]	matey	 for some things  <- for graphics you wanted dosbox anyway
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[01:44]	matey	im not sure how old freedos is now but i think i tried it or at least looked at it 20 years ago
[01:44]	matey	when it was in alpha
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[01:44]	matey	so ive tried freedos which isnt free (per fsd)
[01:44]	matey	and opendos which isnt open (per osd)
[01:45]	matey	but there is no libredos, unless its an emulator
[01:46]	matey	maybe-- maybe-- the dos in reactos is free
[01:47]	matey	its 32bit, and the non-free compiler for freedos is 16bit
[01:47]	matey	so that (reactos) would be sort of a free dos-like os
[01:48]	matey	youre probably better off using wine than dosemu
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[01:51]	matey	https://yewtu.be/watch?v=sERtcG-TUCU i just like the song
[01:51]	TR Bot	 U2 - In God's Country (Official Music Video) - Invidious
[01:51]	matey	blame the edge, its mostly his fault
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[01:57]	matey	https://yewtu.be/watch?v=zR44J1a9A8g making fun of the cranberries and u2 in the same song
[01:57]	TR Bot	 Raspberries "Happy Again" - Invidious
[01:58]	matey	her impressions are so savage
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[02:01]	matey	"the steal our grandmothers teeth in the middle of the night" "you sound like bloody enya you do" 
[02:05]	AdmFubar	https://www.ghacks.net/2022/04/26/chrome-101-ships-with-controversial-advertising-system-trials/
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[02:05]	TR Bot	 Chrome 101 ships with controversial advertising system trials - gHacks Tech News
[02:09]	MinceR	but how could i blame q2dm1?
[02:13]	matey	i dont know, you could write a nasty little tune for her to play on her golden freaking piano
[02:14]	matey	something with "fuck you, your majesty" in it
[02:14]	matey	/me doesnt really hate the queen much per se, but is pretty much done with the royals regardless
[02:14]	matey	i mean i wouldnt pick on her, just her and everyone like her
[02:15]	matey	then its fair
[02:15]	matey	that means elon too
[02:16]	matey	i dont bother with the barely rich, i dont give a shit about milliionaires, they certainly benefit from a fucked up world
[02:16]	matey	but they arent the cause
[02:16]	matey	billionaires should not exist
[02:16]	matey	took me a long time to agree with that too
[02:17]	matey	theres just no justification for them. there is no honest way to have (and keep) a billion dollars
[02:17]	matey	of course thats not an easy thing to prove
[02:17]	matey	whats fair?
[02:17]	matey	i simply think its the conclusion every reasonable person will come to-- not via the same route-- eventually
[02:18]	matey	billionaires arent reasonable people. they may appear like one if you get to know them.
[02:18]	matey	im sure we could get high with elon and have a good time
[02:18]	matey	hes still richer than slaver jeff bezos
[02:19]	matey	its not the rich that bother me. its the world they just sit there and pretend to fix, while making it even worse
[02:19]	matey	its the damage they do that bothers me
[02:20]	matey	it doesnt bother me that someone CAN (very loosely speaking) own 95% of the media, really
[02:20]	matey	it bothers me that somenoe (again, VERY loosely speaking) DOES
[02:21]	matey	really its 5 corporations, and more than one person. thats a bit beside the point, its a silly quibble 
[02:21]	matey	that sort of monopoly helps to kill how many innocent people?
[02:21]	matey	helps to justify what level of organised crime?
[02:22]	matey	billionaires have no fucking excuse
[02:23]	matey	and the queens only half of one
[02:23]	matey	still a bit ridiculous
[02:24]	matey	in a capitalist, statist world that wasnt eating itself the royal family would hardly be the biggest of our concerns
[02:25]	matey	but since theres no such thing, the royal family is kind of a silly thing to have
[02:25]	matey	but whatever
[02:26]	matey	i have nothing big against the royals, they just arent doing the world any real favours by existing
[02:26]	matey	its as much a farce with them as it is with everyone richer and/or more powerful
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[02:27]	matey	the benefit is illusory
[02:27]	matey	financial systemdeification
[02:27]	matey	not my line of reasoning but, it illustrates the issue 
[02:28]	matey	an economy designed for people like the queen makes about as much sense as a distro designed for systemd
[02:30]	AdmFubar	https://www.propublica.org/article/illinois-school-police-tickets-fines#1321795
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[02:30]	TR Bot	 Illinois Law Bans Schools From Fining Children With Tickets. So the Police Are Doing It for Them. ProPublica
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[02:34]	matey	no person should be a corporation, including stallman 
[02:34]	AdmFubar	https://www.protocol.com/bulletins/twitter-advertisers-elon-musk
[02:34]	TR Bot	Q1 earnings miss - Protocol
[02:35]	matey	it will break up either way, but because of the 501c3 it will die in a way that is completely unnatural
[02:35]	matey	making the breakup worse and messier than it needs to be, just like marriage requires divorce to get out of, and divorce is (often) messy
[02:36]	matey	free software should have just been a movement
[02:36]	matey	ah, but copyright.
[02:36]	matey	copyright made the corporation necessary.
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[02:36]	matey	so did some other arguably "practical" considerations
[02:36]	matey	still, that could have gone into a handful of 501c3s instead
[02:37]	matey	and corporations that cant merge are better than ones that can
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[02:38]	matey	of course some would still fail, sfc being a perfect example
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[02:38]	matey	and maybe fsf membership would have only cost $30 or $50 then instead of more like 100
[02:38]	matey	and we would have people at sfc and whatever else to
[02:39]	matey	to tell kuhn to go fuck himself
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[02:40]	matey	as long as we have a system designed to take care of greedy sociopaths better than everyone else
[02:40]	matey	i mean the queen doesnt have to be, very likely isnt a sociopath herself
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[02:40]	matey	doesnt really matter if shes expected to (and meets the obligations to) live like one anyway
[02:41]	matey	its a sociopathic system she is a posterchild for
[02:41]	matey	so i dont hate the queen, we just dont need any fucking royals
[02:41]	matey	and for gods sake, they shouldnt breed either
[02:42]	matey	not saying they should be sterile or something dumb like that
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[02:42]	matey	if youre in marketing, kill yourself
[02:42]	matey	if youre a royal-- dont breed
[02:42]	matey	its simple
[02:42]	matey	let the family line discontinue
[02:50]	matey	"and what do you do? oh youre a plumber, what on EARTH is that?"-- eddie izzard
[02:53]	DaemonFC	https://www.reddit.com/r/BallState/comments/2hvxcd/who_administers_parking_tickets_for_ball_state/
[02:53]	TR Bot	 Who administers parking tickets for ball state? : BallState
[02:53]	DaemonFC	"Satan, Satan himself runs parking services."
[02:53]	AdmFubar	Duranium?  https://www.nasa.gov/feature/glenn/2022/nasa-s-new-material-built-to-withstand-extreme-conditions
[02:53]	DaemonFC	Ack
[02:53]	TR Bot	( status 404 @ https://www.nasa.gov//www.nasa.gov/feature/glenn/2022/nasa-s-new-material-built-to-withstand-extreme-conditions/ )
[02:54]	matey	hes got to do something to amuse himself, theres so much competition these days, hes fighting tooth and nail for relevance
[02:55]	DaemonFC	I just mailed them the $500 worth of tickets back with "I am not a student and you can't threaten me by withholding my transcripts because there are none. Goodbye.".
[02:55]	DaemonFC	I figure since that was 19 years ago I should be okay.
[02:55]	matey	seriously dfc would have made a killer accountant
[02:56]	matey	mafia quality at h&r block prices
[02:56]	DaemonFC	The university has no jurisdiction aside from turning things over to the city, and the city doesn't take university tickets and threaten your license because the city isn't making any money handling BSU tickets.
[02:56]	matey	"ah, heres 28 more things you dont need to worry about"
[02:57]	DaemonFC	So the university threatens students and relies on visitors not knowing that they can't have their license taken away or arrested over university tickets.
[02:58]	DaemonFC	My mechanic has been on the phone every day yelling at someone who he paid for an engine and then never received.
[02:58]	DaemonFC	Yesterday it got so bad that he said the guy had until the middle of next week before he filed a lawsuit over this in small claims court.
[02:58]	AdmFubar	https://www.techradar.com/news/google-docs-is-having-some-serious-issues-with-its-new-inclusive-language-warnings
[02:58]	TR Bot	Docs is having some serious issues with its new 'inclusive language' warnings | TechRadar
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[02:59]	DaemonFC	matey, There were a few good episodes of Seinfeld although I never really got into it too much.
[02:59]	matey	that there were
[02:59]	matey	i think the show was overrated, but clever and hilarious
[02:59]	matey	at least that much was true
[02:59]	DaemonFC	I think my favorite out of the ones I saw was when Jerry's mechanic kidnaps his car and yells at him over the phone "You've been taking it to a quickie lube place haven't you? You don't deserve to have it!".
● Apr 29
[03:00]	matey	i remember that one. i see how you can relate to that.
[03:00]	DaemonFC	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JY7ISTaymU0
[03:00]	TR Bot	https://invidious.esmailelbob.xyz/watch?v=JY7ISTaymU0
[03:00]	TR Bot	invidious.esmailelbob.xyz | You Barely Know Your Car - Seinfeld (The Bottle Deposit) - Invidious
[03:01]	matey	/me also thought julia l-d was super hot
[03:02]	DaemonFC	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cEsERIcTeB4
[03:02]	TR Bot	https://invidious.osi.kr/watch?v=cEsERIcTeB4
[03:02]	TR Bot	invidious.osi.kr | Obsessive Saab Mechanic.wmv - Invidious
[03:02]	matey	and at the time i wasnt a patrick warburton fan, but that was before i read (then watched) the tick
[03:03]	matey	among my favourite lines (its all in the delivery) "arthur! i believe in you! I ALWAYS HAVE!" when hes known him for like a week
[03:04]	matey	he brought a ridiculous satirical comic book caricature/character to life
[03:04]	DaemonFC	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TuEdU_lrtZk
[03:04]	TR Bot	https://invidious.osi.kr/watch?v=TuEdU_lrtZk
[03:04]	TR Bot	invidious.osi.kr | Kramer test drives car on Seinfeld - Invidious
[03:06]	matey	"when i came to the car was in a ditch and the tank was full. i dont know who did it!"
[03:06]	matey	rofl
[03:06]	DaemonFC	My mom drives the car on E all the time. I told her she had a lot of faith in that Chevy gas gauge.
[03:06]	DaemonFC	More than I ever have in a Chevy.
[03:06]	matey	without kramer there was no show
[03:06]	DaemonFC	I never let a Chevy get below 1/4 of a tank.
[03:06]	DaemonFC	And even that's a real nailbiter.
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[03:07]	matey	but i still think (even if thats not the actual progeny of the character, which im familiar with) the whole character was a ripoff of jim from "taxi"
[03:07]	DaemonFC	I have had so many GM fuel senders that would say you had an eighth of a tank left, right? You weren't even on E, the fuel light wouldn't even come on, and you're supposed to have a gallon or two when the light comes on....
[03:07]	matey	he was in fact based on another guy
[03:07]	DaemonFC	And it just ran out of gas and broke down.
[03:07]	DaemonFC	So I never let a Chevy get below 1/4th.
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[03:08]	DaemonFC	Well, I had a coupld that did that. I don't trust gas gauges anymore actually.
[03:08]	matey	cccc and you're supposed to have a gallon or two when the light comes on.... <- maybe it just gets REALLY TERRIBLE fuel efficiency when its low :)
[03:08]	matey	like windows when it doesnt have 25% free space :)
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[03:08]	DaemonFC	I fill up either before 1/4th or at 200 miles, whichever happens to catch my eye first.
[03:09]	matey	better safe than sorry
[03:09]	DaemonFC	Certainly never under 1/4th unless it would mean pulling over in Gary or one of those freeway stations in Chicago.
[03:09]	DaemonFC	I always fill up before I leave and before I come back so I never had to fill up off the freeway in Chicago.
[03:10]	DaemonFC	Not only is Chicago a shithole with lots of crime, but you have to go at least a mile or two into the neighborhood before the "Hey, we're next to the freeway. That's another 75 cents a gallon." thing tapers off.
[03:11]	DaemonFC	By the time you do Chicago, Cook County, and "next to the freeway", you're up over $5.25 a gallon if it's $4 here.
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[03:11]	DaemonFC	matey, I got my AC Delco gas cap today. I'm so excited.
[03:11]	DaemonFC	I plugged in the tether and screwed the cap on and it actually fits.
[03:11]	matey	now why is that exciting?
[03:11]	matey	what was wrong with the old one
[03:11]	DaemonFC	Because I think the computer will stop telling me the gas cap is loose now.
[03:12]	matey	/me has learned that delco makes good shit
[03:12]	DaemonFC	Yeah, and Gates doesn't.
[03:12]	matey	I think the computer will stop telling me the gas cap is loose now <- ah
[03:12]	matey	has anyone ever ACTUALLY exploded from a loose cap or something?
[03:12]	DaemonFC	You should see the seals on the Delco cap.
[03:12]	DaemonFC	Nothing like the ones on the Gates cap.
[03:12]	matey	i mean if its necessary, then its important
[03:12]	DaemonFC	The Gates cap has these wimpy little seals.
[03:13]	matey	wimpy wimpy wimpy
[03:13]	DaemonFC	The Delco has two seals on it. Two BIG seals.
[03:13]	DaemonFC	There's not going to be any leakage past that.
[03:13]	matey	HEFTY HEFTY HEFTY
[03:13]	matey	lets say you drive around with the cap half on all the time
[03:13]	matey	or years
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[03:13]	matey	worst thing that happens is...
[03:14]	DaemonFC	Yeah, you lose $118.25 worth of gas at current prices, per year.
[03:14]	DaemonFC	And you won't pass emissions and get your plates.
[03:14]	matey	thats a bit much, yeah
[03:14]	matey	i mean if you screw it on for your emissions test...
[03:14]	DaemonFC	Modern cars have an evap cannister that gathers it and then purges it into the engine every so often.
[03:14]	matey	fancy
[03:14]	DaemonFC	So the car collects and runs on the fumes that used to escape into the atmosphere.
[03:15]	matey	cool
[03:15]	matey	"literally runs on fumes!"
[03:15]	matey	"yeah, me too"-- keith richards
[03:15]	DaemonFC	Yeah, old cars had gas caps that were meant to keep trash and dirt from getting in the tank.
[03:15]	DaemonFC	But they weren't vacuum tight.
[03:15]	matey	but very inefficient
[03:15]	DaemonFC	And the system didn't collect the fumes.
[03:15]	matey	cool, now i know
[03:16]	matey	theyre not just a useless accessory
[03:16]	DaemonFC	Yeah, you'd lose about 7-8% of your potential fuel economy because of the lack of the evap emissions system.
[03:16]	matey	though i actually imagined they helped the car not explode
[03:16]	DaemonFC	No, they actually helped it explode.
[03:16]	matey	interesting
[03:17]	matey	/me unscrews the cap on his imaginary car
[03:17]	DaemonFC	If someone rear ends you, the cas caps are designed to blow out on a modern car.
[03:17]	matey	hmm
[03:17]	matey	theres a lot of engineering that goes into these things
[03:18]	matey	in places you wouldnt expect it
[03:22]	matey	seinfeld did pop culture stupidity better than family guy
[03:22]	matey	thelma and louise
[03:22]	matey	priceless. where have i seen that actor though? 
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[03:26]	matey	denis roio... wikipedia: "not notable" 
[03:26]	matey	also wikipedia: "the dealership has its own article"
[03:26]	matey	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Dealership
[03:26]	TR Bot	 The Dealership - Wikipedia
[03:27]	matey	the actor i was curious about: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daniel_Hagen
[03:27]	TR Bot	 Daniel Hagen - Wikipedia
[03:28]	matey	i guess he was on buffy, but maybe hes just making me think of miles obrien
[03:28]	matey	despite really not looking like him (the hair at least does)
[03:29]	matey	keiko probably doesnt sound like half as stupid a name if literally any other actor on earth says it
[03:29]	matey	and he doesnt sound nearly as stupid if he says literally any other group of sounds in the entire franchise
[03:30]	matey	unfortunately i think he said her name about 5,897,223 times on star trek
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[03:30]	matey	i might have miscounted
[03:30]	DaemonFC	matey, Yes, the Arab Oil Embargo and the Ford Pinto caused some engineering to go into modern fuel tank systems.
[03:30]	DaemonFC	:)
[03:31]	matey	well, some engineering was a welcome change after the pinto
[03:31]	matey	"where does this thing go?" "i dunno, stick it somewhere on the bottom"
[03:31]	DaemonFC	The damned Arabs too.
[03:32]	DaemonFC	People bitch because the evaporative emissions system needs some attention sometimes, but it would cost more over time to run your car without it.
[03:32]	DaemonFC	Especially with today's gas prices.
[03:32]	matey	/me tries to imagine what percentage of arabs actually have any effect on the oil industry
[03:32]	matey	i realise some of them do, of course!
[03:32]	matey	it goes without saying
[03:32]	DaemonFC	Well, hey, if my Buick gets 23-24 mpg in the city for me, then that saves me a lot of money.
[03:33]	DaemonFC	The best the Impala could do was 17 or so.
[03:33]	AdmFubar	https://www.theregister.com/2022/04/28/appeals_court_privacy/
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[03:33]	TR Bot	 US appeals court ruling could 'eliminate internet privacy' The Register
[03:33]	DaemonFC	If you figure I drive 600 miles or so on an average month, more if I go on vacation or something...
[03:34]	DaemonFC	THe Buick saves me like 10 gallons in an average month.
[03:34]	DaemonFC	Over 5 years of just out running errands and stuff, it saves me 600 gallons of gas.
[03:34]	DaemonFC	Or over $2,500.
[03:35]	matey	not bad
[03:35]	matey	something i used to buy all the time went up $2
[03:35]	matey	i did the math
[03:35]	matey	all the time = nearly every day
[03:35]	matey	the math said "fuck this, and fuck these people"
[03:35]	matey	i almost never buy that anymore
[03:36]	matey	so from nearly every day to almost never
[03:36]	matey	good job, $2
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[03:38]	DaemonFC	Yeah, I quit smoking because it was too expensive.
[03:38]	DaemonFC	Didn't do it for long. Now that they cost $15 a pack I don't think about it much.
[03:38]	matey	good a reason as any
[03:41]	matey	i also may need to learn how to make chocolate
[03:41]	matey	as all of it is terrible
[03:41]	matey	i mean nestle is run by a real life dr evil
[03:41]	matey	everything else is either from the eu or contains pgpr, no thanks
[03:42]	DaemonFC	Dr. Evil owned Starbucks it turned out
[03:42]	matey	if you strike all of that, there are a still a few brands like snickers/marathon, 3 musketeers/mars, and milky way
[03:43]	matey	theres also dove (galaxy) but
[03:43]	matey	dove has this annoying habit of talking to you
[03:43]	matey	you unwrap a piece of chocolate and its like "GO AHEAD, YOU DESERVE THIS!" (in writing. not out loud. thank christ)
[03:44]	matey	and im like I NEED A DIFFERENT BRAND, FUCK OFF
[03:44]	matey	dont need corporations telling me to enjoy my chocolate, like it was something i was having trouble doing before
[03:45]	matey	just take the money and give me the chocolate, i don want a conversation about it. with a printing machine. that says the same fucking thing. all the time.
[03:45]	matey	really annoying
[03:45]	matey	first it was just dove
[03:45]	matey	now 3 musketeers is in on it
[03:46]	matey	and chocolate gets waxier the cheaper they make it
[03:46]	matey	to the point where theres really very little point in buying it
[03:46]	matey	even lindt is too waxy now. and godiva tastes like chemicals
[03:47]	matey	id be worried, but plenty of stuff still tastes wonderful
[03:47]	matey	its not my sense of taste. its shitty, worthless chocolate
[03:47]	AdmFubar	https://www.theregister.com/2022/04/27/amazon_audio_data/
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[03:47]	TR Bot	 Study: How Amazon uses Echo interactions to target ads The Register
[03:47]	matey	stuff isnt free, it either tastes good or its throwing money away
[03:48]	matey	i have just enough kitchenware to do a double boiler in modest amounts
[03:48]	matey	i could make chocolate if i had the ingredients
[03:48]	matey	i doubt it would be amazing, but the bar is so fucking low now
[03:48]	matey	but all the store brands: garbage
[03:49]	matey	and its not because im fancy
[03:49]	matey	never was
[03:49]	matey	i prefer 3 musketeers to godiva, i just dont want to talk with it.
[03:49]	matey	stupid marketing people. 
[03:50]	matey	going after that so depressed you need a pep talk from your chocolate wrapper market
[03:50]	matey	if youre that depressed you need a doctor, not a chocolate wrapper
[03:52]	matey	id be perfectly happy to buy chocolate that came in a wrapper that said:
[03:53]	matey	"if youre reading this, and need a pep talk from some marketing idiots, you may benefit more from professional help instead"
[03:53]	matey	too bad seinfeld isnt on anymore, this could be one of the plots
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[06:10]	matey	The Malta boys genome showed that Native Americans can trace 14% to 38% of their ancestry back to western Eurasia, the authors conclude. https://www.nature.com/articles/nature.2013.14213?error=cookies_not_supported&code=57af3e02-3c40-45d7-b3de-0cd4539c2d94
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[06:10]	TR Bot	natives have European roots | Nature
[06:10]	matey	"This signal is consistent among peoples from across the Americas, implying that it could not have come from European settlers who arrived after Christopher Columbus. Instead, it must reflect an ancient ancestry."
[06:11]	matey	We already had strong evidence of Siberian ancestry for Native Americans; this study is important because it helps us understand who the ancestors of those Siberians might have been, says Raff.
[06:11]	matey	This new origin story helps to resolve several peculiarities in New World archaeology. For example, ancient skulls found in both North and South America have features that do not resemble those of East Asians. They also carry the mitochondrial haplogroup X, which is related to western Eurasian lineages but not to east Asian ones.
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[06:11]	matey	a lot of racism is based on assumptions that are being shattered by genetic research
[06:12]	matey	not that people are going to go "oh, shit! we were wrong! look, dna says weve been arseholes!"
[06:12]	matey	but it changes the way pre-history looks substantially
[06:12]	matey	it brings incredible new insights into the history of human culture
[06:13]	matey	which didnt spread anything like the way we imagined
[06:13]	matey	but along routes we never seriously considered before
[06:13]	matey	or never confirmed before
[06:14]	matey	people like esr say "look, we have no shared cultural heritage"
[06:14]	matey	well yes you do mr viking dickbutt, you have way more shared heritage than you think you do.
[06:15]	matey	/me has nothing against vikings, just idiotic dickbutts wearing viking helmets that know fuck-all about anything (except unix terminals)
[06:15]	matey	his knowledge about unix terminals is pretty fucking impressive (imo)
[06:15]	jobs651	 Hello matey
[06:15]	matey	hi?
[06:18]	matey	There remains some debate about whether there was a single expansion of human groups into the Americas or more than one, says Theodore Schurr, an anthropologist from the University of Pennsylvania in Philadelphia. The data from this paper support a single-migration scenario, he says, but still allows for several sequential ones from the same intermingled Siberian gene pool.
[06:18]	matey	that was WAY before the beatles!
[06:21]	matey	 Primitive hunter-gatherers may have survived the Ice Age "Up to now, most researchers have agreed that the road to America was closed, so to speak, during the Ice Age, and that the Beringia gate did not open up until the huge ice sheets started to retreat."
[06:21]	matey	"However, the other 17,000-year-old skeleton from Afontova Gora may overturn this view. It turns out that it has the exact same genetic lineage as the MA-1. In other words, this area is very likely to have been inhabited by the same people throughout the period."
[06:21]	matey	if this isnt the coolest thing ever, its close
[06:22]	matey	"So although the evidence is inconclusive, there is increasing evidence that man arrived in America much earlier than 16,000 years ago, as previously thought."
[06:22]	matey	'Upper Palaeolithic Siberian genome reveals dual ancestry of Native Americans,' Nature, Nov 2013. doi:10.1038/nature12736
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[06:27]	matey	Late Paleolithic southern Siberians appear to be related to paleolithic Europeans and the paleolithic Jmon people of Japan.[1] Various scholars point out similarities between the Jmon and paleolithic and Bronze Age Siberians. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prehistory_of_Siberia
[06:27]	TR Bot	 Prehistory of Siberia - Wikipedia
[06:28]	matey	/me started on this after hearing a native american story about how they had (specific) brothers of 4 colours around the world
[06:28]	matey	red, white, black and yellow, like the colours of corn
[06:28]	matey	(no blue people though. ive eaten blue corn)
[06:29]	matey	these were brothers sent in "the four directions" 
[06:31]	matey	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tlacoyo Tlacoyos come in three different colors, although no artificial colors are added to its preparation. The color comes from the cornmeal used to prepare the masa which the tlacoyo is made with. The most common is blue masa, made from blue corn kernels.
[06:31]	TR Bot	 Tlacoyo - Wikipedia
[06:58]	matey	the leaders of western civilization are fucking morons and psychopaths, and everyone knows it
[06:58]	matey	i dont hate white people, i dont hate western culture
[06:59]	matey	i dont hate europe
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[06:59]	matey	i dont think the east has all the answers either
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[07:00]	matey	but there are very old cultures that have just barely survived after civilisation tried to kill and enslave them all
[07:00]	matey	but they have stories that are thousands of years old, which no one gives a shit about because science is all that fucking matters 
[07:00]	matey	i like science, i was raised on science
[07:00]	matey	i met one of the inventors of the atom bomb
[07:01]	TR News	Fedora 36 Release Slightly Delayed to May 10 Due to Important Bugs Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/164271
[07:01]	TR Bot	 Fedora 36 Release Slightly Delayed to May 10 Due to Important Bugs | Tux Machines
[07:01]	matey	ive also seen the enola gay at the smithsonian
[07:01]	matey	i still like science. it hasnt told us how to live
[07:01]	matey	its told us how to destroy humanity
[07:01]	TR News	Is this an ad? https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Kubuntu-Focus-M2-Gen4
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[07:01]	TR Bot	Focus M2 Gen4 Announced With Intel Alder Lake, RTX 30 Graphics - Phoronix
[07:02]	matey	science, what we consider science, has been around for less than 1000 years really
[07:02]	matey	there are people with cultures who have been around for thousands of years
[07:02]	matey	people weve ignored, written off
[07:02]	matey	maybe
[07:02]	matey	MAYBE
[07:03]	matey	if we listen a little better to them, we will learn something that saves humanity from its own stupidity
[07:03]	matey	if not, at least we will hear some interesting stories before we fuck ourselves completely
[07:03]	TR News	Oh, come on, Linux Today.... https://www.linuxtoday.com/blog/how-to-install-and-get-started-with-c-on-ubuntu-22-04/
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[07:03]	TR Bot	 How to Install and Get Started with C# on Ubuntu 22.04 | Linux Today
[07:04]	matey	and if we survive, maybe we can put science together with wisdom on how to live for more than 1000 years at a time (which in species years is a pathetic, infantile existence)
[07:05]	matey	maybe we can be a little less stupid as a species
[07:05]	matey	its not a guarantee. maybe someone has a better idea
[07:05]	matey	id love to hear it
[07:07]	matey	it kind of pisses me off though, that people write off every culture that doesnt have science, meaning every culture older than a few hundred or one or two thousand years
[07:07]	matey	when this one is ready to kill itself and say its a good thing
[07:08]	matey	humanity has painted itself into a corner, and its too proud to say "maybe we fucked up somewhere and could go back, relearn something we overlooked"
[07:08]	matey	because anything that happened before issac newton was OBVIOUSLY complete bullshit
[07:08]	matey	thats pride-- we kill ourselves but YOU TRY AND DO BETTER
[07:08]	matey	i mean they did, until we killed them
[07:09]	matey	maybe that was a dumb idea...
[07:09]	matey	maybe instead of counting the days until humanity fucks itself we could you know
[07:09]	matey	try to put some things right
[07:09]	matey	i mean if we are all intent on dying, we dont need much of what weve taken 
[07:09]	TR News	#Techrights Bulletin for Thursday, April 28, 2022 http://techrights.org/txt full archive: http://techrights.org/txt-archives #gnu #linux #freesw #plaintext
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[07:10]	matey	and of course everyone we took it from is dead anyway
[07:10]	matey	but we could surely do SOMETHING. even a gesture, as long as its sincere
[07:10]	matey	again, if anyone has a better idea, great.
[07:11]	matey	theres no law that says we have to remain "western civilisation" though
[07:11]	matey	we could try some other things
[07:11]	TR News	Voyager 22.04 LTS Edition Explorer Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/164272
[07:11]	TR Bot	 Voyager 22.04 LTS Edition Explorer | Tux Machines
[07:12]	matey	western civilisation is like a kid that grew up on a diet of candy, and is bored with it
[07:12]	matey	so hes just going to starve. better than trying something that wont kill you when you eat it.
[07:13]	matey	im not completely bored with it. i still like youtube.
[07:13]	TR News	"Security-Enhanced Linux (SELinux) is a type of Mandatory Access Control (MAC) in the Linux kernel." https://www.ctrl.blog/entry/selinux-unmanageable.html |
[07:13]	TR Bot	 SELinux is unmanageable; just turn it off if it gets in your way
[07:13]	matey	but id like to watch it from a less stupid world than this one.
[07:13]	matey	maybe watch youtube in a world where google doesnt exist. 
[07:13]	matey	its not like they invented it.
[07:13]	matey	they bought it, just like microsoft bought dos.
[07:13]	TR News	"Deleting a Twitter account is quick and easy. You can do it from a PC or through the mobile app." https://www.pcworld.com/article/695148/how-to-delete-your-twitter-account.html | Source: PC World
[07:13]	TR Bot	to delete your Twitter account | PCWorld
[07:14]	TR News	"You need the ability to search and manipulate text on the command line, especially when performing repetitive tasks." https://earthly.dev/blog/sed-find-replace/ | Source: Earthly
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[07:14]	TR Bot	 Using sed for Find and Replace - Earthly Blog
[07:14]	TR News	"In the first article in this series, we concentrated on selecting suitable hardware for your FreeBSD" https://klarasystems.com/articles/part-2-tuning-your-freebsd-configuration-for-your-nas/ | Source: Klara
[07:14]	TR Bot	 Part 2: Tuning Your FreeBSD Configuration for Your NAS | Klara Inc.
[07:14]	matey	theres a unique kind of hope in a world where everyone is ready to die or be killed or some other dumb shit
[07:14]	TR News	"For some time I've had an odd problem on my work Fedora desktop" https://utcc.utoronto.ca/~cks/space/blog/linux/XdgDekstopPortalSlownewssWhy | Source: uni Toronto
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[07:14]	TR Bot	 Chris's Wiki :: blog/linux/XdgDekstopPortalSlownewssWhy
[07:14]	matey	if humanity is really ready to give up on itself, if its really that fucking cynical
[07:15]	matey	maybe its ready to try other things instead of this stupid shit?
[07:15]	matey	ive seen a LOT of really incredibly stupid shit in my life.
[07:15]	matey	boring, mundane, pointless, stupid fucking shit.
[07:15]	TR News	"This issue in particular, with over 490 comments as of this writing" https://www.jeffgeerling.com/blog/2022/external-graphics-cards-work-on-raspberry-pi | Source: Jeff Geerling
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[07:15]	TR Bot	 External graphics cards work on the Raspberry Pi | Jeff Geerling
[07:15]	TR News	"MacCurdy, along with doctoral students Brandon Hayes and Travis Hainsworth, published their results April 14" https://www.colorado.edu/today/2022/04/18/how-print-robot-scratch-new-3d-printing-approach-melds-solids-liquids |
[07:15]	TR Bot	 How to print a robot from scratch: New 3D-printing approach melds solids, liquids | CU Boulder Today | University of Colorado Boulder
[07:16]	matey	but theres still a tiny little sliver of maybe we can do SOMETHING
[07:16]	matey	either way, giving the finger(s) to the old bullshit that got us here-- i dont mean technology
[07:16]	matey	i mean stupidity
[07:17]	matey	cultural emptiness
[07:17]	TR News	Less than a dozen ACTIVE capsules away now... from 1,900 gemini://gemini.bortzmeyer.org/software/lupa/stats.gmi
[07:17]	matey	if thats only a way to go out 
[07:17]	matey	that seems like the best way to go out, too
[07:17]	matey	its a bonus if it also saves us somehow
[07:17]	matey	the laziest way out is to just way "whatever" 
[07:18]	matey	its kind of boring though
[07:18]	TR News	"men in tech will ignore race and gender but argue that height and attractiveness discrimination is a serious problem for men in hiring and promotions" gemini://alex.flounder.online/journal.gmi
[07:19]	matey	people waste too much effort on whats possible
[07:19]	matey	and their idea of possible is based on preconceived notions, on a historical line of things where we proved many of those notions to be false
[07:19]	TR News	No, You Don't Have Time For Another Project gemini://warmedal.se/~bjorn/posts/2022-04-28-no-you-don-t-have-time-for-another-project.gmi
[07:19]	matey	but the pattern is missed
[07:19]	matey	we get new expectations of limitations, we settle right back into that small way of thinking
[07:20]	matey	the world gets very weird, very scary for a minute
[07:20]	matey	then it becomes mundane again
[07:20]	TR News	Writing my first OpenBSD game using Godot gemini://perso.pw/blog/articles/writing-a-game-with-godot.gmi
[07:20]	matey	thats not science, its cynicism
[07:20]	matey	einstein didnt think that way, isaac newton sure as fuck didnt think that way
[07:21]	TR News	Making PDFs from Gemtext gemini://gemini.ucant.org/gemlog/2022-04-28_making_pdfs_from_gemtext.gmi
[07:21]	matey	if youre going to be inspired by science, maybe look at the level of imagination scientists have
[07:21]	matey	instead, a lot of the smartest people i know, have such limited imaginations
[07:21]	matey	they can imagine all the down the street before coming back
[07:21]	matey	people like newton could imagine to the edge of the fucking universe
[07:22]	matey	people need to do that more
[07:22]	matey	maybe theyll come up with better ideas then 
[07:22]	TR News	"Harelang is FOSS programming language which simple to build." gemini://gmi.noulin.net/2022-04-28-building-harelang.gmi
[07:22]	TR News	[cat] Spotted gemini://nytpu.com/cheetahs/D573.jpg
[07:23]	TR News	[cat] gemini://nytpu.com/sneps/D216.jpg
[07:23]	TR News	"StackSmith lamented^ that brown switches in a Das-4 keyboard do not have enough feedback to prevent bottoming out. This leads to excessive travel of the switch and jarring taps when the key travels its full distance." gemini://jsreed5.org/log/2022/202204/20220428-brown-to-clear.gmi
[07:23]	matey	the same old shit doesnt seem to be doing us a lot of good
[07:24]	matey	puritanical farmer thinking 
[07:24]	matey	till the creative soil until there are no minerals left, nothing grows
[07:24]	matey	all these geniuses with no way to replenish that medium
[07:25]	TR News	"For sure is always a place, you haven't been on Gopher. If you are in hurry, and you must... generate a new character..." gopher://sdf.org:70/0/users/stug/phlog/20220428.txt
[07:25]	matey	i mean its not either or, you dont have to be stupid to get that back. you only have to stop acting like knowledge accumulation is something linear youve got a firm handle on
[07:25]	matey	when you cant even think of a way for humanity to make it to the next century
[07:25]	matey	how fucking stupid is that? thats the pinnacle of human achievement? 
[07:25]	matey	to very quickly paint the species into a corner it cant find a way out of
[07:25]	matey	sounds fucking dumb
[07:25]	TR News	"Mastodon is an open-source, decentralized social network founded back in 2016." https://www.thestreet.com/technology/join-mastodon-elon-musk-bought-twitter |
[07:25]	TR Bot	is Mastodon? - TheStreet
[07:26]	TR News	"However, Mastodon itself is a nonprofit, so it doesnt have the resources of a major tech company like Twitter or Facebook." https://www.pcmag.com/news/mastodon-gains-30000-new-users-after-musk-buys-twitter | Source: PC Mag
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[07:26]	TR Bot	Gains 30,000 New Users After Musk Buys Twitter | PCMag
[07:26]	matey	maybe someone has a better idea, but we are sooooo much smarter, more advanced
[07:26]	TR News	"Mastodon emerged in 2016 as a decentralized alternative to Twitter." https://www.wired.com/story/elon-musk-twitter-masatodon/ | Source: Wired
[07:26]	TR Bot	Elon Musk Can Learn From Mastodonand What He Cant | WIRED
[07:26]	TR News	"Im very glad that Mastodon (and by extension, the fediverse) is as popular as it is." https://medium.com/we-distribute/one-mammoth-of-a-job-an-interview-with-eugen-rochko-of-mastodon-23b159d6796a | Source: Medium
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[07:26]	TR Bot	Mammoth of a Job: An Interview with Eugen Rochko of Mastodon | by Sean Tilley | We Distribute | Medium
[07:26]	TR News	"I jumped into the story in August 2015. At this point GNU social and its predecessors had already been around for years" https://thomask.sdf.org/blog/2018/08/19/from-gnu-social-to-mastodon.html |
[07:26]	TR Bot	 From GNU social to Mastodon
[07:26]	matey	i dunno. third option maybe.
[07:26]	matey	maybe
[07:27]	TR News	"Release notes can be massive enough to sub-projects of their own." https://blog.liw.fi/posts/2022/04/28/release-notes/ | Source: Lars Wirzenius
[07:27]	TR Bot	 Release notes: why and how?
[07:27]	TR News	"WiFi is ubiquitous. Its in our homes. We look for it in our coffee shops." https://www.sparkfun.com/news/4563 | Source: SparkFun Electronics
[07:27]	TR Bot	With WiFi - News - SparkFun Electronics
[07:28]	TR News	"We distrust the browser because weve been trained to." https://blog.jim-nielsen.com/2022/trusting-browsers/ | Source: Jim Nielsen
[07:28]	TR Bot	 Trusting Browsers - Jim Nielsens Blog
[07:29]	matey	maybe we will kill ourselves off, and someday fish will develop high-level sentience through evolution
[07:29]	matey	and they will find relics of humanity and come up with theories about OUR existence
[07:29]	matey	and their sceptics will laugh at such a silly idea
[07:30]	matey	humans are a myth, a crazy story people tell their children for fun
[07:31]	matey	"they flew but they didnt have wings, just arms and legs"
[07:31]	matey	"god, thats so stupid"
[07:31]	TR News	"To be able to answer fast, the Recursor caches information it receives from authoritative name servers." https://blog.powerdns.com/2022/04/28/refreshing-of-almost-expired-records-keeping-the-cache-hot/ | Source: PowerDNS
[07:31]	TR Bot	 Refreshing Of Almost Expired Records: Keeping The Cache Hot | PowerDNS Blog
[07:31]	TR News	"Knuths optimization is a very powerful tool in dynamic programming, that can be used to reduce the time complexity" https://www.geeksforgeeks.org/knuths-optimization-in-dynamic-programming/ | Source: Geeks For Geeks
[07:31]	TR Bot	 Knuth's Optimization in Dynamic Programming - GeeksforGeeks
[07:32]	TR News	"When it comes to learning a particular language like Python, books can be the best way" https://www.geeksforgeeks.org/top-10-python-books-for-beginners-and-advanced-programmers/ | Source: Geeks For Geeks
[07:32]	TR Bot	 Top 10 Python Books for Beginners and Advanced Programmers - GeeksforGeeks
[07:32]	TR News	"I found an interesting piece of phishing based on a PDF file" https://isc.sans.edu/diary/rss/28582 | Source: SANS
[07:32]	TR Bot	 InfoSec Handlers Diary Blog - SANS Internet Storm Center
[07:32]	matey	if you think about the state of humanity, its about as ridiculous as anything you could make up
[07:32]	matey	but it doesnt have to be like that
[07:33]	matey	at least it didnt, until we started killing anyone who disagreed with our great plans for modernising EVERYTHING
[07:33]	TR News	""Research" is a much broader term than most of us who consider ourselves to be researchers realise." https://tratt.net/laurie/blog/2022/where_do_research_problems_come_from.html |
[07:33]		-jobs651/#techrights- CloudFlare: tratt.net | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://tratt.net/laurie/blog/2022/where_do_research_problems_come_from.html https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://tratt.net/laurie/blog/2022/where_do_research_problems_come_from.html
[07:33]	TR Bot	 Laurence Tratt: Where do Research Problems Come From?
[07:33]	TR News	"Astronomers predict that one out of every 15 points of light in the night sky will be a satellite within a decade" https://qz.com/2151673/light-pollution-from-spacex-oneweb-others-is-hurting-astronomy/ | Source: Quartz
[07:33]	TR Bot	 Light pollution from SpaceX, OneWeb, others is hurting astronomy Quartz
[07:34]	matey	westernd-civilisationd
[07:34]	TR News	"The size and scale of the project flusters astronomers, who fear that the bright, orbiting objects will interfere" https://www.space.com/spacex-starlink-satellites.html | Source: Space
[07:34]	TR Bot	SpaceX's satellite internet project | Space
[07:34]	matey	aboriginal people, this is your wakeup call
[07:36]	TR News	"There's plenty of concern about the proliferation of privately owned satellites in space" https://www.cnet.com/home/internet/starlink-satellite-internet-explained/ | Source: CNET
[07:36]		-jobs651/#techrights- CloudFlare: cnet.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.cnet.com/home/internet/starlink-satellite-internet-explained/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://www.cnet.com/home/internet/starlink-satellite-internet-explained/
[07:36]	TR Bot	Explained: Everything to Know About Elon Musk's Satellite Internet Venture - CNET
[07:36]	TR News	"In a statement Monday, the IAU said large satellite constellations like Starlink could have unforeseen consequences" https://www.cnet.com/science/spacex-starlink-satellites-have-astronomers-amplifying-cosmic-alarm/ | Source: CNET
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[07:36]	TR Bot	Starlink satellites have astronomers amplifying the cosmic alarm - CNET
[07:36]	TR News	"Nasas Perseverance rover had the best-documented Mars landing in history" https://www.independent.co.uk/space/nasa-mars-helicopter-otherworldly-wreckage-b2067263.html | Source: The Independent UK
[07:36]		-jobs651/#techrights- CloudFlare: independent.co.uk | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.independent.co.uk/space/nasa-mars-helicopter-otherworldly-wreckage-b2067263.html https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://www.independent.co.uk/space/nasa-mars-helicopter-otherworldly-wreckage-b2067263.html
[07:36]	TR Bot	 Nasas Mars helicopter spots otherworldly wreckage on Red Planet caused by space agency | The Independent
[07:36]	TR News	"the wreckage is the work of NASA, a component called a backshell that detached during the landing" https://www.nytimes.com/2022/04/27/science/nasa-mars-wreckage-photo.html | Source: New York Times
[07:36]		-jobs651/#techrights- CloudFlare: nytimes.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.nytimes.com/2022/04/27/science/nasa-mars-wreckage-photo.html https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://www.nytimes.com/2022/04/27/science/nasa-mars-wreckage-photo.html
[07:36]	TR Bot	 NASA Sees Otherworldly Wreckage on Mars With Ingenuity Helicopter - The New York Times
[07:38]	matey	Fri 06:32:07   TR NEWS   "When it comes to learning a particular language like Python, books can be the best way" https://www.geeksforgeeks.org/top-10-python-books-for-beginners-and-advanced-programmers/ | Source: Geeks For Geeks
[07:38]	matey	well thats fucking dumb.
[07:39]	TR News	"The shortage of semiconductors in the US will persist for at least the next two years" https://itwire.com/business-it-news/hardware-and-storage/resellers/intel-chief-sees-chip-shortage-in-us-lasting-at-least-until-2024.html | Source: IT Wire
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[07:39]	TR Bot	- Intel chief sees chip shortage in US lasting at least until 2024
[07:39]	matey	i bet you every one of those 10 books is one designed to wipe out python and replace it with some microsoft rust shit.
[07:39]	TR News	"Arducams new device uses the same libcamera library, ribbon connector" https://www.tomshardware.com/news/arduino-hawk-eye-64mp-raspberry-pi-camera | Source: Tom's Hardware
[07:39]	TR Bot	 Arducam Reveals Hawk-eye, a 64MP Raspberry Pi Camera | Tom's Hardware
[07:39]	matey	why not list 10 (or 3) books that teach python before it was an EEE language?
[07:39]	matey	oh, i know
[07:40]	matey	because constant noise is better than thinking
[07:40]	matey	s/noise/news/
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[07:40]	TR News	"But if you havent used your Facebook account in years"... no, it is USING YOU https://blog.mozilla.org/en/internet-culture/how-to-delete-instagram-facebook-online-accounts/ | Source: Mozilla
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[07:40]	TR Bot	 Internet spring cleaning: How to delete Instagram, Facebook and other accounts
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[07:40]	matey	wrong button
[07:40]	matey	 TR NEWS   "When it comes to learning a particular language like Python, books can be the best way" https://www.geeksforgeeks.org/top-10-python-books-for-beginners-and-advanced-programmers/ | Source: Geeks For Geeks <- spread this link and help microsoft wipe out python!
[07:40]	TR Bot	 Top 10 Python Books for Beginners and Advanced Programmers - GeeksforGeeks
[07:41]	TR News	Microsoft Windows TCO https://cio.economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/digital-security/organisations-must-report-cyber-security-breach-within-six-hours/91167778 | Source: India Times
[07:41]	TR News	Microsoft Windows TCO https://itwire.com/business-it-news/security/microsoft-study-unclear-on-impact-of-ukraine-attacks-researcher.html | Source: IT Wire
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[07:41]	TR Bot	 Organisations must report cyber security breach within six hours, CIO News, ET CIO
[07:41]	TR Bot	- Microsoft study unclear on impact of Ukraine attacks: researcher
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[07:42]	matey	most python books contain propaganda about python 2 being unmintained (worse than a half truth) and the superiority of python 3, which isnt a language but a webapi, like rust
[07:42]	matey	rust isnt a language, its a webapy
[07:42]	matey	api
[07:42]	matey	you want to code in rust? you have to get the latest one
[07:42]	matey	its practically a clown-based language. python 3 is no better
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[07:42]	matey	python 3 is an oxymoron. python 3 isnt python. its not even a language. its a scam.
[07:43]	matey	you write in python 3, its already broken.
[07:43]	matey	thats okay, you can fix it, until youre old and give up
[07:43]	matey	then microsoft will pave over it.
[07:43]	matey	you can still learn python, but not python 3, because python 3 doesnt exist. its a lie.
[07:44]	matey	so go to the link and learn how to replace python with clown.
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[07:44]	matey	then we can rewrite linux in rust.
[07:44]	matey	great idea.
[07:44]	matey	forward, to the clown
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[07:45]	TR News	"The real question is whether those captured utterances are at meaningful risk for being accessed by an attacker or an insider." https://www.computerworld.com/article/3658974/think-the-video-call-mute-button-keeps-you-safe-think-again.html | Source: Computer World
[07:45]	TR Bot	the video call mute button keeps you safe? Think again | Computerworld
[07:45]	TR News	"Today the Irish DPC has settled a case with noyb over a gross delay in two cases on Instagram and WhatsApp." https://noyb.eu/en/irish-dpc-burns-taxpayer-money-over-delay-cases | Source: NYOB
[07:45]	TR Bot	 Irish DPC burns taxpayer money over delay cases
[07:45]	TR News	"The results followed Metas dismal financial report in February" https://www.nytimes.com/2022/04/27/technology/facebook-meta-earnings.html | Source: New York Times
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[07:45]	TR Bot	 Meta Earnings: Facebook Parents Profit Drops 21% - The New York Times
[07:45]	matey	 :>
[07:45]	TR News	"And yes, fediverse admins can read your DMs." https://alirezahayati.com/2022/04/28/can-fediverse-admins-read-your-dms/ | Source: Ali Reza Hayati
[07:45]	TR Bot	 Can fediverse admins read your DMs? - Ali Reza Hayati
[07:47]	TR News	"While proposals to protect access to cash put forward by the banking industry, such as shared banking hubs" https://www.which.co.uk/news/article/almost-half-of-the-uks-bank-branches-are-gone-its-now-or-never-to-halt-the-cash-crisis-ag6B83o1AWKd | Source: WhichUK
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[07:47]	TR Bot	 Almost 50% of the UK's bank branches are gone - Which?
[07:52]	TR News	"I know Im fucked because they paid me in [cryptocurrency]" https://www.theverge.com/2022/4/28/23042819/bitcoin-2022-miami-beach-conference-maxis | Source: The Verge
[07:52]	TR Bot	 Crypto is winning, and Bitcoin diehards are furious about it - The Verge
[07:52]	TR News	"Finnish Customs has selected brokers for its cryptocurrencies." https://www.helsinkitimes.fi/finland/finland-news/domestic/21446-two-operators-to-sell-finnish-customs-cryptocurrencies.html | Source: Helsinki Times
[07:52]		-jobs651/#techrights- CloudFlare: helsinkitimes.fi | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.helsinkitimes.fi/finland/finland-news/domestic/21446-two-operators-to-sell-finnish-customs-cryptocurrencies.html https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://www.helsinkitimes.fi/finland/finland-news/domestic/21446-two-operators-to-sell-finnish-customs-cryptocurrencies.html
[07:52]	TR Bot	( status 520 @ https://www.helsinkitimes.fi/finland/finland-news/domestic/21446-two-operators-to-sell-finnish-customs-cryptocurrencies.html )
[07:52]	matey	native americans make dick from casinos by the way
[07:52]	matey	only the investors get anything
[07:53]	matey	it takes up space on native american land, the feds get a cut, the investors get money, everyone else gets dick
[07:53]	TR News	"Finnish Customs searched for a cryptocurrency broker" https://tulli.fi/en/-/two-operators-to-sell-finnish-customs-cryptocurrencies |
[07:53]		-jobs651/#techrights- CloudFlare: tulli.fi | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://tulli.fi/en/-/two-operators-to-sell-finnish-customs-cryptocurrencies https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://tulli.fi/en/-/two-operators-to-sell-finnish-customs-cryptocurrencies
[07:53]	TR Bot	 Two operators to sell Finnish Customs cryptocurrencies - Finnish Customs
[07:53]	matey	theyre a scam... beside the fact that every casino is a scam
[07:53]	matey	the natives get nothing
[07:54]	matey	they say they give jobs, these are jobs cleaning toilets
[07:54]	matey	ive been to one, once
[07:54]	matey	a lot of people think "at least the natives get money from this"
[07:54]	matey	nope
[07:56]	matey	when i was in europe i was trying to get a job cleaning toilets
[07:56]	matey	anywhere i could work without papers
[07:56]	matey	i didnt know where to find them, who to talk to 
[07:57]	matey	the thing about toilets is people usually have someone who does that
[07:57]	matey	like what are the odds you go somewhere and "oh yes! the guy who did that under the table JUST QUIT, good thing you showed up!"
[07:57]	matey	at any rate that didnt work out
[07:58]		*goosestepping_ (~goosestepping@9ucczhkmm895g.irc) has joined #techrights
[07:58]	matey	but building casinos on native american land just to hire them to clean toilets to fill a federal quota is fucked up
[07:59]	matey	(i was also working on getting papers, but i also needed more money)
[07:59]	IPFS	IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 36.21 k/sec., IPFS upstream 21.10 average k/sec., average swarm size 321.25
[07:59]	matey	(legally getting papers)
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[08:00]	TR News	"Ultimately, the world population would be too big to feed itself." https://www.the-sun.com/news/5192364/world-run-out-food-27-years-overpopulation/ | Source: The Sun
[08:00]		-jobs651/#techrights- CloudFlare: the-sun.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.the-sun.com/news/5192364/world-run-out-food-27-years-overpopulation/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://www.the-sun.com/news/5192364/world-run-out-food-27-years-overpopulation/
[08:00]	TR Bot	 World could 'run out of food in the next 27 years' due to overpopulation, doom mongers claim
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[08:09]	TR News	"Spotify says it uses open source software to help power its audio experience for both creators and listeners." https://www.digitalmusicnews.com/2022/04/26/spotify-announces-open-source-fund/ | Source: Digital Music News
[08:09]		-jobs651/#techrights- CloudFlare: digitalmusicnews.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.digitalmusicnews.com/2022/04/26/spotify-announces-open-source-fund/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://www.digitalmusicnews.com/2022/04/26/spotify-announces-open-source-fund/
[08:09]	TR Bot	 Spotify Announces Open Source Fund for Independent Developers
[08:10]	TR News	"Spotify is setting aside 100,000 for its new support fund entitled Free and Open Source Software" https://www.techtimes.com/articles/274710/20220425/spotify-for-artists-spotify-stats-spotify-stocks-spotify-fund-spotify-creator-fund-spotify-developers-spotify-developer-community.htm | Source: Tech Times
[08:10]	TR Bot	 Spotify Announces 100K Support Fund to Aid Free and Open Source Software Projects | Tech Times
[08:10]	TR News	"Spotify is starting a Free and Open Source Software Fund (FOSS Fund) to pay maintainers of independent projects" https://engineering.atspotify.com/2022/04/announcing-the-spotify-foss-fund/ |
[08:10]		-jobs651/#techrights- CloudFlare: atspotify.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://engineering.atspotify.com/2022/04/announcing-the-spotify-foss-fund/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://engineering.atspotify.com/2022/04/announcing-the-spotify-foss-fund/
[08:10]	TR Bot	 Announcing the Spotify FOSS Fund : Spotify Engineering
[08:12]	TR News	"When considering alternatives, the suggestions often amount to a return to some moment in the Webs past" https://jacobinmag.com/2022/04/elon-musk-billionaires-democracy-twitter-acquisition-social-media/ | Source: Jacobin Magazine
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[08:12]	TR Bot	 Billionaires Like Elon Musk Dont Know the First Thing About Democracy
[08:13]	psydruid	100,000 is nothing compared to the tens or hundreds of millions Spotify spends on other things
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[08:13]	TR News	Microsoft corruption, graft, theft https://www.cnbc.com/2021/03/31/microsoft-wins-contract-to-make-modified-hololens-for-us-army.html | Source: CNBC see http://techrights.org/2022/02/04/the-united-states-government-should-quit-bailing-out-microsoft-at-taxpayers-expense/
[08:13]	TR Bot	 Microsoft wins contract to make modified HoloLens for U.S. Army
[08:13]	TR Bot	 The United States Government Should Quit Bailing Out Microsoft at Taxpayers Expense | Techrights
[08:13]	TR News	"Program officials stated that, if Soldiers do not love IVAS and do not find it greatly enhances accomplishing the mission, then Soldiers will not use it" https://media.defense.gov/2022/Apr/22/2002981953/-1/-1/1/DODIG-2022-085.PDF
[08:14]	TR News	Spotify FOSS Fund Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/164273
[08:14]	TR Bot	 Spotify FOSS Fund | Tux Machines
[08:14]	TR News	"Its tough to talk about freedom of speech." https://www.marketwatch.com/story/what-does-free-speech-actually-mean-twitter-isnt-censoring-speech-despite-what-elon-musk-and-many-users-think-11651172967 | Source: Market Watch
[08:14]	TR Bot	does free speech actually mean? Twitter isn't censoring speech, despite what Elon Musk and many users think - MarketWatch
[08:15]	TR News	"I have the opposite concerns. I worry that we wont be able to count on Musk to stick to his stated principles" https://jacobinmag.com/2022/04/elon-musk-billionaire-twitter-acquisition-free-speech/ | Source: Jacobin Magazine
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[08:15]	TR Bot	 Elon Musk Wont Protect Free Speech Online
[08:16]	schestowitz	psydruid: they pay some of their staff that
[08:16]	schestowitz	but they vainly assume it's OK for Free software devs to live on 10k a year
[08:16]	schestowitz	and pay accordingly
[08:16]	schestowitz	that's corporations
[08:16]	schestowitz	it you don't work for us "100% of the time", we don't care about you
[08:16]	schestowitz	"we only care about you as long as we own you..."
[08:16]	psydruid	it's all to gain control over them
[08:17]	psydruid	stick and carrot
[08:17]	matey	free software shouldnt be developed by corporations
[08:17]	matey	it doesnt work
[08:17]	psydruid	"you want more money? work harder, slave!"
[08:18]	matey	its like having cancer treatments being developed by a company that gets most of its money from nuclear power
[08:18]	mjg59_	I don't entirely agree
[08:18]	matey	of course you dont
[08:18]	mjg59_	I think developing free software is basically always a social good
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[08:19]	matey	because that outweighs the obvious conflict of interest
[08:19]	mjg59_	But tying free software just to the licensing means we don't obtain the optimal outcomes
[08:19]	mjg59_	Yeah, corporations have no incentive to undermine proprietary software
[08:19]	matey	or support freedom of users
[08:19]	mjg59_	So simply writing more free software doesn't solve the problems that free software aimed to solve
[08:19]	mjg59_	And I don't think we can fix that with licenses
[08:20]	matey	yes, that much is true
[08:20]	matey	and no, licenses cannot fix that
[08:20]	mjg59_	So I don't think the problem is that corporations are writing free software
[08:20]	matey	doesnt follow.
[08:20]	matey	thats a leap.
[08:20]	matey	i think corporations are part of the problem
[08:21]	mjg59_	If they didn't write free software they'd probably still be writing just as much proprietary software
[08:21]	matey	you say licenses cant fix that
[08:21]	mjg59_	And it's the proprietary software that we want to get rid of
[08:21]	matey	but they end up co-opting free software and dragging it back to a non-free system
[08:21]	matey	over and over again
[08:21]	matey	its a pattern many of us can plainly see (some deny its there)
[08:21]	mjg59_	I feel like that would happen even if they weren't writing free software
[08:22]	matey	but with them writing free software, they gain trust they should never have
[08:22]	mjg59_	If free software is a social good then we need society to fund it
[08:22]	matey	its like the scorpion and the frog
[08:22]	mjg59_	It ought to be possible for someone who's writing code that benefits everyone to be able to live a comfortable life as a result
[08:23]	mjg59_	Well
[08:23]	mjg59_	Everyone should be able to live a comfortable life
[08:23]	mjg59_	But if we take the more general position, then it's not a free software problem - it's that society is set up to fund corporations, not people who are willing to do work on behalf of everyone
[08:23]	TR News	"Children don't just abuse EDRs, they're also abused with EDRs." https://pluralistic.net/2022/04/27/im-a-backdoor-man/#pedo-backdoor | Source: CoryDoctorow
[08:23]	TR Bot	 Pluralistic: 27 Apr 2022 Pluralistic: Daily links from Cory Doctorow
[08:24]	matey	which is why without socialism, free software will probably always fail
[08:24]	matey	but 
[08:24]	matey	the fact of a larger problem doesnt mean we can trust corporations with free software development
[08:24]	matey	all that has done is recreate a monopoly
[08:24]	matey	via companies you worked for, funnily enough
[08:24]	matey	not that this is YOUR fault
[08:24]	matey	though...
[08:25]	matey	i mean, right now this is a much bigger thing than any of your personal contributions to it
[08:25]	matey	google and ibm and microsoft in particular (2 out of three aint good)
[08:25]	TR News	"The reality is the deal will most likely sail through because ours is a world where major communication platforms..." https://www.vice.com/en/article/n7np47/its-the-billionaires-internet-and-were-just-posting-on-it | Source: Vice
[08:25]	TR Bot	 Its the Billionaires Internet, and Were Just Posting on It
[08:26]	matey	have all funded projects to death
[08:27]	matey	there needs to be another mechanism for people living comfortably than monopolies (or similar) bribing projects to care more about sponsors than users.
[08:27]	matey	but these companies certainly do not think so
[08:27]	matey	they get more power over users, developers get more comfortable lives
[08:27]	TR News	"More than 55 countries have launched a declaration for the future of the internet" https://cio.economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/internet/over-55-partner-countries-launch-declaration-for-future-of-internet-doors-open-for-india-says-us/91167758 | Source: India Times
[08:27]	TR Bot	 free internet: Over 55 partner countries launch declaration for future of internet, doors open for India, says US, CIO News, ET CIO
[08:27]	TR News	"Declaration for the Future of the Internet" https://www.theverge.com/2022/4/28/23046652/declaration-for-the-future-of-the-internet-eu-us-regulation-commitment-announced | Source: The Verge
[08:27]	TR Bot	 EU, US, and others sign declaration for the future of the internet - The Verge
[08:27]	matey	everybody wins, only users are fucked in the process
[08:28]	matey	so companies are happy, their employees are happy
[08:28]	TR News	IRC Proceedings: Thursday, April 28, 2022 | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/04/29/irc-log-280422/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/04/29/irc-log-280422/
[08:28]	matey	the only thing thats fucked is the whole movement.
[08:28]	TR Bot	 IRC Proceedings: Thursday, April 28, 2022 | Techrights
[08:28]	matey	we spent 30-40 years in a big loop
[08:28]	schestowitz	Simmons is happy
[08:28]	matey	from ibm and microsoft controlling users to... 
[08:28]	matey	oh.
[08:28]	schestowitz	Gulag, Slaesforce
[08:28]	schestowitz	they sp[y on everyone
[08:28]	schestowitz	and they call themselves "Open Source"
[08:29]	schestowitz	and ask people to purge criticism from Wikipedia
[08:29]	schestowitz	because Wikipedia too is being policed, by proxy, by corporations, their staff, and reputation management "gurus"
[08:29]	matey	i mean when ibm and microsoft talk about how important it is to pay people, when theyve exploited and corrupted decades of work by volunteers
[08:30]	matey	it reminds me A LOT of janis ians and courtney loves rebuttals of the idea that record labels give a fuck about artists.
[08:30]	matey	these are detailed, incredibly damning rebuttals
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[08:30]	TR News	Microsoft Digital Restrictions (DRM) https://www.pcworld.com/article/695591/audacity-developer-puts-the-proper-version-on-the-microsoft-store.html | Source: PC World
[08:30]	TR Bot	developer puts the 'proper' version on the Microsoft Store | PCWorld
[08:31]	matey	and while love is accurate, shes kind of a horrible person which doesnt mean shes mistaken or incorrect
[08:31]	TR News	Swinging back to losses. Join the club. Also see: Netflix, Clownflare, and other clowns (vapour) https://www.digitalmusicnews.com/2022/04/27/spotify-stock-q1-2022-earnings/ | Source: Digital Music News
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[08:31]	TR Bot	( status 520 @ https://www.digitalmusicnews.com/2022/04/27/spotify-stock-q1-2022-earnings/ )
[08:31]	matey	janis ian as far as i know, doesnt have that problem and their statements are similar
[08:31]	TR News	Digital Restrictions (DRM) on video waning, like in music. Pop open that bottle of wine. https://www.theverge.com/2022/4/28/23047113/netflix-tudum-editorial-layoffs-streaming
[08:31]	TR Bot	 Netflix is laying off staff from its Tudum fan site - The Verge
[08:31]	matey	the industry pretends to care about people so it can exploit their work further
[08:32]	matey	im pro union, its very important for all tech workers to join a union but...
[08:32]	mjg59_	Yeah having corporations fund free software is clearly not a sustainable path to free software
[08:32]	mjg59_	Eventually free software cuts into their margins enough that they stop funding it
[08:32]	matey	having corporations fund free software is clearly not a sustainable path to free software <- this is both true and shocking
[08:32]	mjg59_	But that doesn't necessarily mean that the fact that they're funding it is bad
[08:32]	mjg59_	Well
[08:32]	mjg59_	Ok
[08:32]	matey	no, THAT doesnt mean its bad
[08:32]	mjg59_	Let me rephrase that
[08:32]	matey	other things mean its bad. 
[08:33]	TR News	"she has been working with open cultural heritage for over a decade." https://creativecommons.org/2022/04/28/episode-26-open-culture-voices-susanna-a%CC%8Ana%CC%88s/ | Source: Creative Commons
[08:33]		-jobs651/#techrights- CloudFlare: creativecommons.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://creativecommons.org/2022/04/28/episode-26-open-culture-voices-susanna-a%CC%8Ana%CC%88s/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://creativecommons.org/2022/04/28/episode-26-open-culture-voices-susanna-a%CC%8Ana%CC%88s/
[08:33]	TR Bot	 Episode 26: Open Culture VOICES Susanna Anas - Creative Commons
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[08:33]	mjg59_	If we accept the model that free software should be funded by corporations and that we don't need any alternative mechanism for supporting free software development, then free software never wins
[08:33]	TR News	"WikiAfrica from 2007 until 2012" https://creativecommons.org/2022/04/28/episode-25-open-culture-voices-iolanda-pensa/ | Source: Creative Commons
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[08:33]	TR Bot	 Episode 25: Open Culture VOICES Iolanda Pensa - Creative Commons
[08:33]	matey	we agree on that at least
[08:34]	mjg59_	And if corporate support of free software undermines the development of alternative funding (or other support) mechanisms, it's bad in that respect
[08:34]	TR News	"internet" [sic] https://creativecommons.org/2022/04/28/declaration-for-the-internet/ | Source: Creative Commons
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[08:34]	mjg59_	If people are happy with scraps, they'll never fight for loaves
[08:34]	TR Bot	 US, partner countries launch declaration for the internet - Creative Commons
[08:35]	matey	i personally think corporations are not at all above sabotaging free software and turning decades of volunteer work into products that benefit corporations more than users.
[08:35]	matey	in practice, not only in theory.
[08:35]	matey	and the halloween documents imply at least, that was exactly the plan all along
[08:35]	matey	microsoft learned it from ibm
[08:35]	matey	google learned it from microsoft
[08:36]	matey	i mean its not a conspiracy theory if its a plan outlined very clearly in verified memos
[08:36]	matey	which just happen to reflect what actually happens a decade or two later
[08:37]	matey	in a way that benefits the two best-known exploiters of such methods
[08:37]	matey	namely ibm and microsoft, the same damn companies that dominated things 30-40 years ago
[08:37]	matey	you would think that if liberating users was a goal
[08:38]	matey	the power wouldnt all flow back to the very place it rested when all the control of users was building up the first time
[08:38]	matey	i mean, that would be ridiculous
[08:38]	matey	(it is ridiculous)
[08:38]	matey	its like the book of exodus leading the jewish people INTO egypt for fucks sake
[08:39]	matey	"today we are slaves, but tomorrow we will be truly fucked"
[08:40]	matey	"but hey, i bet youre tired of unleavened bread and not getting paid to wander through the desert"
[08:40]	matey	"oh yes! lets join a union and build some pyramids!"
[08:40]	matey	what could go wrong
[08:41]	matey	i mean, its like everyone forgot what they were doing, and why
[08:42]	matey	"werent we LEAVING egypt?"
[08:42]	matey	"no, we just wanted a better life"
[08:42]	matey	"if we can have that in egypt what difference does it really make?"
[08:42]	matey	"maybe because we will never be free there?"
[08:42]	matey	"but they SAID!"
[08:43]	matey	its so stupid.
[08:45]	matey	funnily enough, its been nearly 40 years. of wandering through the desert.
[08:45]	matey	just to end up in egypt again.
[08:45]	matey	moses would LOVE this shit
[08:46]	matey	"you want ipads? HERE ARE YOUR IPADS!" and then he throws the tablets at them
[08:46]	matey	of course we dont have to do the bible, we could do hinduism, buddhism or even feng shui
[08:47]	matey	theres probably even a fortune cookie with a better idea than this non-plan of action
[08:48]	psydruid	free software wasn't set up to protect itself from such harmful interference, I blame unnecessary levels of centralization for that
[08:49]	matey	free software wasn't set up to protect itself from such harmful interference, <- its a hole they never patched
[08:49]	matey	and funnily enough, by the time people were filing security reports about it
[08:49]	matey	they had already been taken over by mr. and mrs. wontfix
[08:50]	matey	/me found a fortune cookie archive, by searching for: fortune cookie archive
[08:51]	matey	Your destiny lies before you, choose wisely. 
[08:51]	matey	Only you can decide what is important to you. 
[08:51]	matey	It is better to deal with problems before they arise. 
[08:51]	matey	Don't put all your eggs in one basket.  "I blame unnecessary levels of centralization for that"
[08:52]	matey	Better to be the hammer than the anvil. 
[08:52]	matey	Good to begin well, better to end well. 
[08:53]	matey	one for the legion of parrots: Anyone can memorize things, but the important thing is to understand it. 
[08:54]	matey	It is better to be approximately right than precisely wrong. 
[08:54]	matey	one for gnome: If the cake is bad, what good is the frosting? 
[08:56]	psydruid	I wonder how GNOME will take being wholly replaced 
[08:57]	matey	I wonder how GNOME will take being wholly replaced <- mate should have forked gtk and said to hell with the rest of it
[08:57]	matey	i mean, a fork of gnome 2 was a nice idea,  isnt all bad
[08:57]	psydruid	like from one day to another "you're not needed anymore, please kill yourself now or die a worse death later"
[08:57]	matey	a fork of JUST gtk would be better (obviously, its not quite that simple. i mean, gtk, but not pango would... you get what i mean)
[08:57]	matey	gtk2, but no text!
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[08:59]	matey	i think it depends on the gnome developer
[08:59]	matey	a bunch would just go work on collabora
[08:59]	matey	others, microsoft
[08:59]	matey	still others, baristas.
● Apr 29
[09:00]	matey	i mean there are worse things than being a barista
[09:00]	matey	id rather make coffee than android apps.
[09:00]	matey	customers are dicks of course
[09:00]	matey	i mean some are nice
[09:06]	psydruid	some gnome developers are nice too
[09:06]	matey	yes
[09:06]	matey	but if they stopped developing gnome, that would make them even nicer
[09:06]	psydruid	those can be sent to the gulag
[09:07]	psydruid	those who are not so nice can be sent to the north pole
[09:07]	matey	they can all work for elon 
[09:07]	psydruid	or ukraine
[09:07]	psydruid	free choice
[09:07]	matey	i wouldnt personally wish jeff bezos on a living soul
[09:08]	matey	elon is crazy, jeff is just an arsehole
[09:08]	matey	a slave-owning, book-burning, library destroying arsehole
[09:09]	matey	hes the tech industries answer to julius caesar, and i hope he meets a similar fate
[09:09]	psydruid	he's the product of American exceptionalism
[09:09]	matey	im not an elon fan either, but not everybody can be satan
[09:11]	matey	in that event, hes actually manufactured in china
[09:15]	matey	actually elon fireworks would be super cool
[09:15]	matey	elon goes up, he doesnt come down
[09:15]	matey	or at least not in fewer than 1000 pieces
[09:15]	matey	dammit
[09:15]	matey	s/elon/bezos/
[09:15]	matey	sorry elon
[09:16]	matey	hes the richest guy on earth, the fuck does he care
[09:17]	matey	they both design rockets. im actually rooting for elon in that (arguably stupid) race
[09:17]	matey	its not a dumb idea. its the people involved that make it stupid
[09:18]	matey	elons rocket actually seems cool, but then i used to think the shuttle was a great idea
[09:19]	matey	if dfc is right about cars, the shuttle was basically an impala (slash pinto) the size of a large apartment building
[09:19]	matey	"well youve got a problem with this gasket, but nothing that shouldnt cost you oh, 25 or 30 years of service"
[09:20]	matey	"me, or the vehicle?"
[09:20]	matey	"sure"
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[10:08]	tpmd	I think we're conflating problems a bit here. Corporations as "for profit" entities are bad because they take responsibility out of the equation of making money - like an AI given the problem of solving illness and coming up with the solution of killing everyone.
[10:08]	tpmd	Nobody should "trust" anybody (be it private entity or public corporation) without checking, hence the "open" part of the "source code". If it's not "open", talking about corporations doing bad or good things doesn't make sense, as you don't even know what they're doing.
[10:08]	tpmd	As for "open source" not being enough. Well, even though it opens the conversation of being useful or not, when it comes with strings attaches it's definitely less useful. It may come with strings attached if its license doesn't allow you to modify or rip parts of it apart, especially if its complex enough, or it has closed source dependencies.
[10:43]	activelow	another example, how GPL without a guarding standard is dangerous: https://www.theregister.com/2022/04/27/fedora_starts_to_simplify_linux/
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[10:43]	TR Bot	 Fedora dev team starts to simplify Linux graphics handling The Register
[10:44]	activelow	^ they are attacking linux console virtual terminal, because, they say, /dev/fb0 directly writing pixel data into isn't sufficiently "simple" for them
[10:44]	activelow	for this, they envision, UEFI was mandatory
[10:45]	activelow	microsoft couldn't do any worse to "free software" than what fedora envisions
[10:46]	activelow	i noticed a while ago, given Xorg is mentioned too, the old non-evdev kbd and mouse drivers for Xorg disappeared from the gentoo tree already (hence i keep those inside an overlay since then)
[10:47]	activelow	meaning, systemd-evdev already deeply creeped into X11 - which is absolutely unnecessary to do, given evdev offers an additional attack vector against input devices for no obvious reasons
[10:49]	activelow	next on their roadmap, is Xorg fbdev, which is fast, efficient and stable - in comparison to modesetting/kms/drm with the cortex a53 board i got here Xorg-fbdev is much faster
[10:50]	activelow	there is zero issues with those, /dev/fb0, the old Xorg input drivers for keyboard/mouse without evdev, Xorg fbdev driver (except for missing randr support)
[10:56]	activelow	evdev input drivers is another systemd related change rarely noticed by anyone it happened... i removed evdev entirely from kernel and userspace
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● Apr 29
[11:00]	activelow	and i suspect, it will be difficult to convince kernel, to not expose any /dev/fb0, hence they attack Xorg to remove fbdev from there (for no good reason)
[11:04]	activelow	finally, if Fedora succeeds with their plans, the entire keyboard input and and video output are exposed to and entangled with UEFI and systemd (even when systemd daemon is removed, there is other components which were altered too)
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[11:14]	tpmd	Yes, bundleware is a vicious "boiling frog" problem. Like the promise of Android as an open source operating system, just to be followed by the buyer (Google) slowly moving every feature into Google Play Services. Or the promise of Microsoft for making an open source terminal emulator, just don't dare look on how to compile that beast without bringing in a load of closed source dependencies and tooling, so you have to use Microsoft Store to install it. 
[11:14]	tpmd	Or Visual Studio Code that also is loaded with telemetry and is moving functionality into thin extensions that use remote services. Or the VirtualBox that's open sourced without the binary extensions that make it usable for more than automation.
[11:15]	tpmd	And now on systemd, it's not just the fact that it goes against the Unix principle of doing one thing only and doing it well, it's also going the way of developing into a massive complex beast that only few understand but many depend on. And if/when it goes in directions not supported by some users, it will be a pain to rip apart those ties (rooting for Devuan, MX Linux and the like). It needs careful treading, as the RedHat/IBM clients are 
[11:15]	tpmd	corporations, and interests not always align.
[11:24]	activelow	to my knowledge Devuan and MX Linux didn't bother with dbus, evdev, udev ... which are all part of or related to systemd
[11:25]	activelow	it is only BaphometOS which removed this
[11:26]	activelow	currently i am working on wiping the last pieces of Adobe/Microsft/Apple font system from X11, which was another such attack, long before systemd
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[11:27]	activelow	furthermore i think, most of those Debian-variants use UEFI/Grub nowadays, which are not acceptable to what i consider "free software"
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[11:53]	activelow	microsoft freetype is strongly entangled with X11... mkfontscale build time dependency, for bitmpapped fonts which are not-scalable... what an irony
[11:53]	activelow	bitmapped fonts aren't supposed to be scaled, that's why those look horrible when they are scaled outside their intended resolution
[11:57]	tpmd	Very good observation. MX Linux I think has even systemd installed, even though it doesn't seem to use it.
[11:57]	tpmd	But while I agree, and identifying the problems is a good first step on doing better, I also am pressed on choosing the "best" (or less bad) options. After all, time and resources are precious. I don't always have the luxury to use open source or to cut out all aspects of "open source" that I consider detrimental, especially when helping others do their job. So it's more about a balancing act, of getting things done now, while not having to pay dearly 
[11:57]	tpmd	later.
● Apr 29
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[12:00]	activelow	the reason, old PCF and PSF fonts didn't look good anymore on Linux is this: historically displays had far lower resolutions and bitmapped fonts were scaled down to match this resolution, and provided a decent font output even with low resolutions
[12:01]	activelow	in recent years, display resolutions increased, and those old bitmapped fonts weren't available, and if low-resolution bitmap fonts are scaled up this looks horrible
[12:01]	activelow	yet this doesn't mean freetype/vector/scalable fonts were necessary, all that was required was some bigger bitmapped fonts (PSF for console, PCF for X11)
[12:03]	activelow	truetype was a massive scam and fraud, to funnel cash into apple/adobe/microsoft pockets, who argued decent fonts were available without them and their freetype
[12:04]	activelow	instead of providing some appropriate bitmapped fonts for higher resolutions displays, ibm adobe mapple enforced the freetype font system as a "standard" with patent claims attached to this
[12:05]	activelow	and without it, virtual terminals supposedly couldn't have decent bitmapped fonts for higher resolution displays anymore... what a madness, and they got away with it, even within "free software" and GPL smeared onto
[12:07]	activelow	the level of intellect, it is an insult
[12:08]	activelow	not sure exactly what's used with vector fonts, maybe spline-approximation, and some gaussian filter curves, that's not worth a patent, that's maths hundreds of years established before
[12:08]	activelow	and it isn't the most challenging math by far
[12:20]	TR News	"cybersecurity club for girls" https://www.raspberrypi.org/blog/cybersecurity-club-girls-hello-world-18/ | Source: Raspberry Pi
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[12:20]	TR Bot	 A cybersecurity club for girls | Hello World #18 - Raspberry Pi
[12:21]	activelow	then adobe/microsoft/apple came along and argued: see, those old fonts look awful on high resolutions screen, here suck this, our patented font rendering, which too is standard
[12:22]	activelow	remaining silent about the fact, there font system wasn't required at all, the old bitmapped fonts simply didn't match the higher resolutions, which could have been fixed without the patented font system (freetype/truetype)
[12:22]	activelow	*their
[12:23]	activelow	besides, bitmapped non-scalable fonts have advantages too: it is much simpler to implement, much faster, and sufficient for almost all scientific authoring and publishing
[12:23]	activelow	furthermore, TeX typesetting covers those aspects, which aren't with freetype anyway, which is mathematical expressions
[12:24]	activelow	nonetheless, the patented freetype creeped into TeX too (LaTeX, XeTeX, won't review this in detail)
[12:24]	activelow	LaTeX = Microsoft, there you have it
[12:25]	schestowitz-TR	false
[12:25]	activelow	LaTeX, Lamport, Microsoft
[12:26]	activelow	and then next, re-think the situation with ReGIS vector graphics and sixels (VT 341 and similar)... which are _extremely_ useful for scientific authoring (plots, visualizations, illustrations), yet none of this is supported by "free software"
[12:27]	TR News	"[Jeff Geerling] saw the Raspberry Pi Compute Module 4 " https://hackaday.com/2022/04/28/a-real-gpu-on-the-raspberry-pi-barely/ | Source: Hackaday
[12:27]	TR Bot	Real GPU On The Raspberry Pi Barely. | Hackaday
[12:29]	activelow	btw. i am hitting a nasty build-time dependency (_not_ runtime) of X11 against mapple freetype... and even during build-time freetype isn't necessary except for the fact it is entangled into the build system not easily removed
[12:29]	activelow	the bitmapped fonts i'll be using do not require any of the microsoft freetype scaling
[12:40]	TR News	"Most crystal radio receivers have a decidedly field expedient look to them." https://hackaday.com/2022/04/28/multiband-crystal-radio-set-pulls-out-all-the-stops/ | Source: Hackaday
[12:40]	TR Bot	Crystal Radio Set Pulls Out All The Stops | Hackaday
[12:40]	TR News	"Imagine if you had some magic glowing beads, that would emit beautiful colors without any wires tangling them up." https://hackaday.com/2022/04/28/plinko-like-build-takes-advantage-of-wireless-leds/ | Source: Hackaday
[12:40]	TR Bot	Build Takes Advantage Of Wireless LEDs | Hackaday
[12:44]	TR News	Special 301 Report is blackmail by corporate-imperialistic propaganda https://torrentfreak.com/us-calls-out-countries-for-failing-to-tackle-pirate-iptv-movie-camming-220428/ | Source: Torrent Freak
[12:44]		-jobs651/#techrights- CloudFlare: torrentfreak.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://torrentfreak.com/us-calls-out-countries-for-failing-to-tackle-pirate-iptv-movie-camming-220428/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://torrentfreak.com/us-calls-out-countries-for-failing-to-tackle-pirate-iptv-movie-camming-220428/
[12:44]	TR Bot	Calls Out Countries For Failing to Tackle Pirate IPTV & Movie 'Camming' * TorrentFreak
[12:44]	TR News	"A federal court in Seattle has dismissed Bungie's copyright infringement claims against cheat seller AimJunkies" https://torrentfreak.com/court-dismisses-bungies-copyright-claims-against-cheat-seller-aimjunkies-for-now-220528/ | Source: Torrent Freak
[12:44]		-jobs651/#techrights- CloudFlare: torrentfreak.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://torrentfreak.com/court-dismisses-bungies-copyright-claims-against-cheat-seller-aimjunkies-for-now-220528/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://torrentfreak.com/court-dismisses-bungies-copyright-claims-against-cheat-seller-aimjunkies-for-now-220528/
[12:44]	TR Bot	Dismisses Bungie's Copyright Claims Against Cheat Seller AimJunkies, For Now * TorrentFreak
[12:50]	MinceR	https://ircz.de/p/22041858
[12:50]	TR Bot	 IRCZ makes your life worth living https://i.redd.it/lg0fvb38obu81.jpg created on 2022-04-18 23:35:39.168452
[12:52]	TR News	The voting machines should not be used, no matter if you support Trump or not. The proprietary vendors use him as a straw man now.
[12:53]	XRevan86	Voting Machines is a thing that can be made reliable, but the level of human understanding on how to make technology open and transparent is not there yet.
[12:54]	XRevan86	Russia introduced a completely fraudulent electronic voting system, and had no negative consequences from that.
[12:54]	TR News	It's a strategy that voting machine vendors now slander any of their critics as Trump supporters of insurrectionists. They even sue for DEFAMATION> Critics of these machines were vocal even when Bush and Obama "won" elections... (Bush is the controversy here, esp. in FL)
[12:55]	XRevan86	So it's easier to just say "electronic voting == bad" than to try to explain why one system or another is not open and transparent.
[12:55]	MinceR	as long as you're willing to let anonymous voting go :>
[12:55]	TR News	It's a tragedy that proprietary voting machine vendors (like Windows with back doors) now slander any of their critics as Trump supporters of insurrectionists. They even sue for DEFAMATION> Critics of these machines were vocal even when Bush and Obama "won" elections... (Bush is the controversy here, esp. in FL). Microsoft is openwashing that with proprietary ShitHub.
[12:57]		*alextee (~alextee@37nedm8cyafpe.irc) has joined #techrights
[12:58]	TR News	FSFE still calling itself FSFE https://fsfe.org/news/2022/news-20220427-01.html https://fsfe.org/activities/upcyclingandroid/openletter.html FSFE is in breach of contract http://techrights.org/2020/08/22/fsf-fsfe-dispute/
[12:58]	TR Bot	 EU Ecodesign: 38 organisations demand the right to access and to reuse hardware - FSFE
[12:58]	TR Bot	 Open letter for the right to install any software on any device - FSFE
[12:58]	TR Bot	 Leak: FSF/FSFE Trademark Dispute (FSF Demanding That FSFE Should Change the Organisations Name) | Techrights
[12:59]	IPFS	IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 29.36 k/sec., IPFS upstream 24.48 average k/sec., average swarm size 558.30
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[13:00]	TR News	"would ensure that people everywhere can connect" to a mass surveillance grid of regimes and corporations that sell data https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/04/28/declaration-future-internet-launched-promote-open-web-all | Source: Common Dreams
[13:00]		-jobs651/#techrights- CloudFlare: commondreams.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/04/28/declaration-future-internet-launched-promote-open-web-all https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/04/28/declaration-future-internet-launched-promote-open-web-all
[13:00]	TR Bot	 'Declaration for the Future of the Internet' Launched to Promote Open Web for All
[13:01]	TR News	US wants to connect the whole world to the Internet because USA controls the Internet and is using it to spy on almost everyone in the planet. No altruism. Domination, coercion tool.
[13:02]	TR News	"The Army Corps and Biden administration must put people over profits." https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/04/28/we-dont-trust-enbridge-indigenous-women-push-biden-block-line-5-expansion | Source: Common Dreams
[13:02]		-jobs651/#techrights- CloudFlare: commondreams.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/04/28/we-dont-trust-enbridge-indigenous-women-push-biden-block-line-5-expansion https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/04/28/we-dont-trust-enbridge-indigenous-women-push-biden-block-line-5-expansion
[13:02]	TR Bot	 'We Don't Trust Enbridge': Indigenous Women Push Biden to Block Line 5 Expansion
[13:08]	TR News	"I'm really doing this. I'm moving out of non-profit edtech work into something both weirder and cooler." gemini://inconsistentuniverse.space/gemlog/2022-04-28-windingdown.gmi
[13:09]	TR News	How roads shaped my life gemini://isoraqathedh.pollux.casa/roads-and-life.gmi
[13:11]	TR News	"Over the last few epochs, I've noticed a tendency in people to go to great lengths to justify the things they do, be those things hobbies, work, ways of thinking or even the amount of Leche de Cabra Semidesnatada they place in their English Breakfast tea in the morning. I ask myself why." gemini://thurk.org/blog/555.gmi
[13:12]	TR News	"I dont need to argue with bigots and other cruel idiots online. I dont want to watch my friends argue with them either." gemini://degrowther.smol.pub/20220429_computer_time
[13:13]	TR News	Gemini Radio Episode 39 gemini://kwiecien.us/gemcast/20220428.gmi gemini://kwiecien.us/gemcast/20220428.ogg
[13:14]	TR News	"Congrats, support team member - you have a bullshit job." gopher://sdf.org:70/0/users/ayaron/bullshitjob.txt
[13:15]	TR News	Closing my Amazon Account gopher://sdf.org:70/0/users/ayaron/noamazon.txt
[13:21]	TR News	Microsoft criminals will make it even more evil. Just like they use LinkedIn to attack the Internet as a whole in court. https://www.techdirt.com/2022/04/28/blizzards-plan-to-combat-emulation-of-new-diablo-title-just-release-it-on-pc/ | Source: Techdirt
[13:21]		-jobs651/#techrights- CloudFlare: techdirt.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.techdirt.com/2022/04/28/blizzards-plan-to-combat-emulation-of-new-diablo-title-just-release-it-on-pc/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://www.techdirt.com/2022/04/28/blizzards-plan-to-combat-emulation-of-new-diablo-title-just-release-it-on-pc/
[13:21]	TR Bot	Plan To Combat Emulation Of New Diablo Title: Just Release It On PC | Techdirt
[13:21]	TR News	"Bogus lawsuits are a form of bullying." https://www.techdirt.com/2022/04/28/wisconsin-town-lawyer-lies-to-journalist-sues-activist-who-pointed-out-his-lie/ | Source: Techdirt
[13:21]		-jobs651/#techrights- CloudFlare: techdirt.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.techdirt.com/2022/04/28/wisconsin-town-lawyer-lies-to-journalist-sues-activist-who-pointed-out-his-lie/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://www.techdirt.com/2022/04/28/wisconsin-town-lawyer-lies-to-journalist-sues-activist-who-pointed-out-his-lie/
[13:21]	TR Bot	Town Lawyer Lies To Journalist, Sues Activist Who Pointed Out His Lie | Techdirt
[13:23]		*tpmdr (~tpm@aznruqq9uvrec.irc) has joined #techrights
[13:23]	TR News	microsoft criminals got another bailout, posted in links anyway https://www.cnbc.com/2021/03/31/microsoft-wins-contract-to-make-modified-hololens-for-us-army.html criminals get to PLUNDER the taxpayers http://techrights.org/2022/02/04/the-united-states-government-should-quit-bailing-out-microsoft-at-taxpayers-expense/
[13:23]	TR Bot	 Microsoft wins contract to make modified HoloLens for U.S. Army
[13:23]		*tpmd has quit (connection closed)
[13:23]	TR Bot	 The United States Government Should Quit Bailing Out Microsoft at Taxpayers Expense | Techrights
[13:23]	TR News	Buying a company that LOSES money https://www.nytimes.com/2022/04/27/technology/musk-twitter-sec.html
[13:23]		-jobs651/#techrights- CloudFlare: nytimes.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.nytimes.com/2022/04/27/technology/musk-twitter-sec.html https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://www.nytimes.com/2022/04/27/technology/musk-twitter-sec.html
[13:23]	TR Bot	 Elon Musk Loses His Bid to End SEC Twitter Settlement - The New York Times
[13:24]	TR News	aadhaar https://neritam.wordpress.com/2022/04/27/what-cag-audit-report-says-about-aadhaar-regime/ see https://www.indiatoday.in/fyi/story/aadhar-uidai-cyber-spying-cia-wikileaks-report-cross-match-technologies-1032343-2017-08-27
[13:24]	TR Bot	 What CAG Audit Report Says About Aadhaar Regime neritam
[13:24]	TR Bot	 Wikileaks report claims CIA may access Aadhaar card details, government denies - FYI News
[13:25]	TR News	Latvia https://eng.lsm.lv/article/politics/saeima/war-supporters-can-be-stripped-of-latvian-citizenship.a453248/?utm_source=rss&utm_campaign=rss&utm_medium=links
[13:25]		-jobs651/#techrights- CloudFlare: lsm.lv | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://eng.lsm.lv/article/politics/saeima/war-supporters-can-be-stripped-of-latvian-citizenship.a453248/?utm_source=rss&utm_campaign=rss&utm_medium=links https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://eng.lsm.lv/article/politics/saeima/war-supporters-can-be-stripped-of-latvian-citizenship.a453248/?utm_source=rss&utm_campaign=rss&utm_medium=links
[13:25]	TR Bot	 War supporters can be stripped of Latvian citizenship / Article
[13:25]	TR News	SLAPP https://rsf.org/en/rsf-calls-strong-anti-slapp-measures-eu-parliament-member-states
[13:25]		-jobs651/#techrights- CloudFlare: rsf.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://rsf.org/en/rsf-calls-strong-anti-slapp-measures-eu-parliament-member-states https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://rsf.org/en/rsf-calls-strong-anti-slapp-measures-eu-parliament-member-states
[13:25]	TR Bot	 RSF calls for strong anti-SLAPP measures by EU parliament, Member States | RSF
[13:28]	MinceR	https://ircz.de/p/22041832
[13:28]	TR Bot	 IRCZ makes your life worth living https://i.redd.it/97r5qpucfbr81.jpg created on 2022-04-18 12:39:20.015300
[13:41]	activelow	when installing a PCF font for X11, then it must be added to the font search path manually, gentoo didn't do this
[13:42]	TR News	That's like me over 20 years ago https://www.techdirt.com/2022/04/28/42-of-us-homes-have-ditched-cable-tv-and-gone-broadband-only/ | Source: Techdirt
[13:42]		-jobs651/#techrights- CloudFlare: techdirt.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.techdirt.com/2022/04/28/42-of-us-homes-have-ditched-cable-tv-and-gone-broadband-only/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://www.techdirt.com/2022/04/28/42-of-us-homes-have-ditched-cable-tv-and-gone-broadband-only/
[13:42]	TR Bot	Of Us Homes Have Ditched Cable TV And Gone Broadband Only | Techdirt
[13:43]	TR News	Twitter will die in a few years. It already makes giant losses. Now many remaining users flee. https://www.techdirt.com/2022/04/28/reality-check-twitter-actually-was-already-doing-most-of-the-things-musk-claims-he-wants-the-company-to-do-but-better/ | Source: Techdirt
[13:43]		-jobs651/#techrights- CloudFlare: techdirt.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.techdirt.com/2022/04/28/reality-check-twitter-actually-was-already-doing-most-of-the-things-musk-claims-he-wants-the-company-to-do-but-better/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://www.techdirt.com/2022/04/28/reality-check-twitter-actually-was-already-doing-most-of-the-things-musk-claims-he-wants-the-company-to-do-but-better/
[13:43]	TR Bot	Check: Twitter Actually Was Already Doing Most Of The Things Musk Claims He Wants The Company To Do (But Better) | Techdirt
[13:43]	activelow	terminus pcf font at 20px size is decent to begin with, and there is other choices, without any dependency against IBM mapple freetype
[13:44]	TR News	I feel sort of bad for people who build their life (or presence) around Twitter. They must be feeling down right now...
[13:44]	activelow	and without expensive anti-aliasing/hinting/scaling the terminal emulator is much faster
[13:44]	TR News	"Content ID isnt really the villain here. But its an accomplice" https://www.techdirt.com/2022/04/28/youtube-scammer-pleads-guilty-to-making-off-with-23-million-in-fraudulently-obtained-royalties/ | Source: Techdirt
[13:44]		-jobs651/#techrights- CloudFlare: techdirt.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.techdirt.com/2022/04/28/youtube-scammer-pleads-guilty-to-making-off-with-23-million-in-fraudulently-obtained-royalties/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://www.techdirt.com/2022/04/28/youtube-scammer-pleads-guilty-to-making-off-with-23-million-in-fraudulently-obtained-royalties/
[13:44]	TR Bot	Scammer Pleads Guilty To Making Off With $23 Million In Fraudulently Obtained Royalties | Techdirt
[13:45]	activelow	the argument for Harfbuzz/freetype/etc, with Farsi/Arab etc... it is obvious such script benefits from higher resolutions, yet again this isn't an argument for freetype, because higher resolution bitmapped fonts are possible too, without expensive scaling/vectors and patented algorithms
[13:45]	TR News	"The winners of the 40th Hungarian Press Photography Competitions Grand Prizes were announced on 26 April" https://telex.hu/english/2022/04/28/english-covidban-elhunyt-anya-csaladjat-bemutato-fotosorozataval-nyert-nagydijat-a-telex-fotosa | Source: Hungary
[13:45]		-jobs651/#techrights- CloudFlare: telex.hu | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://telex.hu/english/2022/04/28/english-covidban-elhunyt-anya-csaladjat-bemutato-fotosorozataval-nyert-nagydijat-a-telex-fotosa https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://telex.hu/english/2022/04/28/english-covidban-elhunyt-anya-csaladjat-bemutato-fotosorozataval-nyert-nagydijat-a-telex-fotosa
[13:45]	TR Bot	 Telex: Telex photo journalist wins Grand Prize with a photo series about the family of a mother who died of Covid
[13:46]	TR News	"Plastic is a remarkable material in many ways. Cheap, durable, and versatile, it is responsible for a large percentage of the modern world" https://hackaday.com/2022/04/28/recycling-plastic-into-filament/ | Source: Hackaday
[13:46]	TR Bot	Plastic Into Filament | Hackaday
[13:47]	TR News	"Most of us are familiar with virtual machines (VMs) as a way to test out various operating systems" https://hackaday.com/2022/04/28/tiny-risc-virtual-machine-is-built-for-speed/ | Source: Hackaday
[13:47]	TR Bot	RISC Virtual Machine Is Built For Speed | Hackaday
[13:48]	TR News	"retail prices of essential goods like food and energy are not set by simple supply and demand." https://www.commondreams.org/views/2022/04/28/one-way-control-inflation-enforce-price-controls-corporations | Source: Common Dreams
[13:48]		-jobs651/#techrights- CloudFlare: commondreams.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.commondreams.org/views/2022/04/28/one-way-control-inflation-enforce-price-controls-corporations https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://www.commondreams.org/views/2022/04/28/one-way-control-inflation-enforce-price-controls-corporations
[13:48]	TR Bot	 Opinion | One Way to Control Inflation? Enforce Price Controls on Corporations | Wenonah Hauter
[13:49]	TR News	Bullshit spin. Just get rid of the patents. Produce generics. https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/04/28/unprecedented-who-chief-urges-moderna-shareholders-back-vaccine-tech-transfer | Source: Common Dreams
[13:49]		-jobs651/#techrights- CloudFlare: commondreams.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/04/28/unprecedented-who-chief-urges-moderna-shareholders-back-vaccine-tech-transfer https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/04/28/unprecedented-who-chief-urges-moderna-shareholders-back-vaccine-tech-transfer
[13:49]	TR Bot	 'Unprecedented': WHO Chief Urges Moderna Shareholders to Back Vaccine Tech Transfer
[13:50]	TR News	Graft, plunder, or both? "The Infrastructure Investment and Jobs Act (IIJA) set aside $42.5 billion to be spent by the states on expanding access" https://www.techdirt.com/2022/04/28/big-telecom-convinces-missouri-lawmakers-to-block-funding-for-broadband-competition/ | Source: Techdirt
[13:50]		-jobs651/#techrights- CloudFlare: techdirt.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.techdirt.com/2022/04/28/big-telecom-convinces-missouri-lawmakers-to-block-funding-for-broadband-competition/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://www.techdirt.com/2022/04/28/big-telecom-convinces-missouri-lawmakers-to-block-funding-for-broadband-competition/
[13:50]	TR Bot	Telecom Convinces Missouri Lawmakers To Block Funding For Broadband Competition | Techdirt
[13:51]	TR News	"President Biden announced new shipments of weapons to Ukraine, at a cost of $800 million to U.S. taxpayers." https://www.commondreams.org/views/2022/04/28/how-united-states-could-help-bring-peace-ukraine Not peace but MOAR weapons
[13:51]		-jobs651/#techrights- CloudFlare: commondreams.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.commondreams.org/views/2022/04/28/how-united-states-could-help-bring-peace-ukraine https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://www.commondreams.org/views/2022/04/28/how-united-states-could-help-bring-peace-ukraine
[13:51]	TR Bot	 Opinion | This Is How the United States Could Help Bring Peace to Ukraine | Medea Benjamin
[13:52]	TR News	US citizens: please STOP bailing out Microsoft criminals. Criminals should ba ARRESTED, not rewarded. https://www.indiatoday.in/fyi/story/aadhar-uidai-cyber-spying-cia-wikileaks-report-cross-match-technologies-1032343-2017-08-27
[13:52]	TR News	Cancel the patents then https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/04/28/greed-costing-lives-global-actions-condemn-big-pharmas-vaccine-profiteering | Source: Common Dreams
[13:52]		-jobs651/#techrights- CloudFlare: commondreams.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/04/28/greed-costing-lives-global-actions-condemn-big-pharmas-vaccine-profiteering https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/04/28/greed-costing-lives-global-actions-condemn-big-pharmas-vaccine-profiteering
[13:52]	TR Bot	 'Greed Is Costing Lives': Global Actions Condemn Big Pharma's Vaccine Profiteering
[13:56]	TR News	"Although the bill is mostly geared toward tackling copyright infringement, the way it does so would have serious adverse effects on both privacy and freedom of speech." https://www.privateinternetaccess.com/blog/how-new-copyright-laws-threaten-privacy-and-freedom-of-speech/ | Source: PIA
[13:56]		-jobs651/#techrights- CloudFlare: privateinternetaccess.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.privateinternetaccess.com/blog/how-new-copyright-laws-threaten-privacy-and-freedom-of-speech/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://www.privateinternetaccess.com/blog/how-new-copyright-laws-threaten-privacy-and-freedom-of-speech/
[13:56]	TR Bot	 How New Copyright Laws Threaten Privacy and Freedom of Speech
[13:58]	TR News	Future of US-controlled surveillance machine https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2022/04/eff-statement-declaration-future-internet | Source: EFF
[13:58]	TR Bot	 EFF Statement on the Declaration for the Future of the Internet | Electronic Frontier Foundation
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[14:07]	MinceR	(cat) https://i.imgur.com/jM6A01c.jpeg
[14:07]		-jobs651/#techrights- CloudFlare: imgur.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://i.imgur.com/jM6A01c.jpeg https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://i.imgur.com/jM6A01c.jpeg
[14:10]	psydruid	I don't know if I read this article through a link from here or somewhere else
[14:10]	psydruid	https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2021/aug/06/ancient-grain-amaranth-food-trend-indigenous
[14:10]	TR Bot	 It could feed the world: amaranth, a health trend 8,000 years old that survived colonization | Environment | The Guardian
[14:10]	psydruid	and of course I had to look this up while reading it
[14:11]	psydruid	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irreligion_in_Spain
[14:11]	TR Bot	 Irreligion in Spain - Wikipedia
[14:13]	TR News	termusic - terminal-based music player Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/164274
[14:13]	TR Bot	 termusic - terminal-based music player | Tux Machines
[14:14]	TR News	SUSE Linux Enterprise 15 Service Pack 4 Public Release Candidate! Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/164275
[14:14]	TR Bot	 SUSE Linux Enterprise 15 Service Pack 4 Public Release Candidate! | Tux Machines
[14:15]	TR News	World Police collective punishment https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/04/28/coalition-denounces-us-sanctions-harming-people-worldwide | Source: Common Dreams
[14:15]		-jobs651/#techrights- CloudFlare: commondreams.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/04/28/coalition-denounces-us-sanctions-harming-people-worldwide https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/04/28/coalition-denounces-us-sanctions-harming-people-worldwide
[14:15]	TR Bot	 Coalition Denounces US Sanctions Harming People Worldwide
[14:18]	TR News	"lobbyists" https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/04/28/infuriating-telecom-lobbyists-spending-big-money-keep-gigi-sohn-fcc | Source: Common Dreams
[14:18]		-jobs651/#techrights- CloudFlare: commondreams.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/04/28/infuriating-telecom-lobbyists-spending-big-money-keep-gigi-sohn-fcc https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/04/28/infuriating-telecom-lobbyists-spending-big-money-keep-gigi-sohn-fcc
[14:18]	TR Bot	 'Infuriating': Telecom Lobbyists Spending Big Money to Keep Gigi Sohn Off FCC
[14:22]	TR News	Chomsky on Misinformation/Disinformation. On the Internet, which the US controls, the Misinformation/Disinformation wars are won by US. Through GAFAM and other imperialism tentacles bankrolled by taxpayers. https://truthout.org/articles/noam-chomsky-propaganda-wars-are-raging-as-russias-war-on-ukraine-expands/ | Source: TruthOut
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[14:22]	TR Bot	 Noam Chomsky: Propaganda Wars Are Raging as Russias War on Ukraine Expands
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[15:02]	TR News	Patents: "The Times editorialists excoriated Big Pharma for abusing the American intellectual-property system to jack up prices on drugs" https://www.counterpunch.org/2022/04/28/241019/ | Source: Counter Punch
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[15:02]	TR Bot	Drug Companies Use Intellectual-Property Laws to Price Gouge the Public - CounterPunch.org
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[15:07]	TR News	Whats new in Pop!_OS 22.04 LTS, and how to upgrade http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/164117#comment-33491
[15:07]	TR Bot	 Pop!_OS 22.04 Launches Based on Ubuntu 22.04 LTS, Powered by Linux 5.16 and PipeWire | Tux Machines
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[15:33]	TR Bot	 IRCZ makes your life worth living https://i.redd.it/6k756t2rtit81.jpg created on 2022-04-17 23:14:47.469462
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[16:02]	TR News	Links 29/04/2022: Voyager 22.04 LTS and GCC 12.0.1 Status Report | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/04/29/voyager-22-04-lts/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/04/29/voyager-22-04-lts/
[16:02]	TR Bot	 Links 29/04/2022: Voyager 22.04 LTS and GCC 12.0.1 Status Report | Techrights
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[16:08]	SomeH4x0r	hi
[16:08]	jobs651	 hello SomeH4x0r
[16:08]	matey	tpmd   I think we're conflating problems a bit here. <- no, youre full of shit actuallky
[16:08]	matey	hi
[16:08]	SomeH4x0r	hi
[16:09]	SomeH4x0r	was it a bot?
[16:09]	matey	hell, probably
[16:09]	matey	im going to respond anyway
[16:09]	matey	 Corporations as "for profit" entities are bad because they take responsibility out of the equation of making money - like an AI given the problem of solving illness and coming up with the solution of killing everyone. <- well thats A problem, its not THE problem here
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[16:09]	matey	so already we are talking about something else
[16:09]	testh4x0r	hi
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[16:10]	matey	Nobody should "trust" anybody (be it private entity or public corporation) without checking, hence the "open" part of the "source code". If it's not "open", talking about corporations doing bad or good things doesn't make sense, as you don't even know what they're doing. <- "OPEN" is meaningless drivel.
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[16:10]	matey	 As for "open source" not being enough. Well, even though it opens the conversation of being useful or not, when it comes with strings attaches it's definitely less useful. <- youre leaning on a false dichotomy as a distraction and missing the whole point
[16:11]	matey	the point is that corporations have interfered with free software (using "open source" which is a scam) and dragged it BACKWARDS towards being less free
[16:12]	matey	none of which is addressed in your bullshit response.
[16:12]	matey	but i think any honest person would have realised that.
[16:12]	matey	hence calling bullshit
[16:12]	matey	which started with "I think we're conflating problems a bit here."
[16:13]	matey	no. its not "conflating" two of your straw men takes
[16:13]	matey	its talking about a different problem entirely.
[16:13]	matey	so as i said, i think youre full of shit.
[16:14]	matey	"corporations, and interests not always align." <- big picture: theyre completely at odds
[16:14]	matey	tiny pedantic details: SOMETIMES there are SMALL GAINS designed to mislead people or create trust where it should not exist
[16:14]	matey	small gains. big losses. simple math. a child could figure it out.
[16:15]	matey	but an idiot could dance around it all day and miss it.
[16:15]	matey	as could a liar
[16:16]	matey	MX Linux I think has even systemd installed, even though it doesn't seem to use it. <- mx gives a choice of init by design.
[16:16]	matey	so it uses it, depending on boot mode.
[16:16]	matey	But while I agree, and identifying the problems is a good first step on doing better, I also am pressed on choosing the "best" (or less bad) options. <- well, thats open source for you. reframe the problem, pretend to solve it.
[16:17]	matey	After all, time and resources are precious. I don't always have the luxury to use open source <- corporations have cost MORE time by co-opting decades of hard work and dragging them backwards
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[16:18]	matey	reframe it as a "practical" issue (thats part of the open source scam, has been for decades) and then say "well, im just doing what works 'best'" in a way that is meaningless but appears intelligent
[16:18]	matey	I don't always have the luxury to use open source or to cut out all aspects of "open source" that I consider detrimental, especially when helping others do their job. So it's more about a balancing act <- well, youre a shill and an idiot.
[16:19]	matey	and probably a bot, but thats incidental.
[16:19]	matey	your owner is an idiot.
[16:19]	matey	if youre in marketing, kill yourself.
[16:19]	matey	if youre in open source, kill yourself.
[16:19]	SomeH4x0r	hi bnchs
[16:19]	jobs651	 hello SomeH4x0r
[16:20]	SomeH4x0r	yes, seems this thing is a bot
[16:20]	bnchs	hey
[16:20]	matey	<SomeH4x0r> yes, seems this thing is a bot <- doesnt make it immune to a response though
[16:21]	SomeH4x0r	will you be back on UplinkIRC btw?
[16:21]	matey	you keep asking, but i show no interest in it
[16:21]	matey	you have your way of doing things. i have mine.
[16:21]	SomeH4x0r	did ask bnchs though, and they did come there
[16:21]	matey	thats cool too
[16:22]	psydroid2	as you seem to exist, just kill yourself anyway
[16:22]	SomeH4x0r	and didn't see barto yesterday, and not yet today, they either have some issues again, or disappeared like many people from Uplink do
[16:22]	psydroid2	it's an IDGAFMAN bot and should be dealt with accordingly
[16:23]	psydroid2	trbd, are you dead yet?
[16:23]	matey	i seem to be filtering it somehow
[16:23]	matey	but it was in the backlog
[16:23]	psydroid2	if not, we can help you reach nirvana
[16:23]	XRevan86	https://youtu.be/mMAsVmndRug https://youtu.be/HDFqaLEEjGo finally.
[16:23]	TR Bot	https://invidious.namazso.eu/watch?v=mMAsVmndRug
[16:24]	TR Bot	invidious.namazso.eu | CNN has published a video from Bucha, which confirms that the Russian military killed civilians. - Invidious
[16:24]	TR Bot	https://inv.riverside.rocks/watch?v=HDFqaLEEjGo
[16:24]	TR Bot	inv.riverside.rocks | Ukraine: Drone footage shows Russian military in Bucha - Invidious
[16:24]	matey	progress, XRevan86?
[16:25]	XRevan86	matey: Not a game-changer, in my opinion, because of the footage released by Meduza on April 7th about March 23-24, 25, 28-30, but it's nice to have additional footage.
[16:25]	activelow	XRevan86: rumors were Ukrainian military committed attrocities too
[16:25]	activelow	in Bucha
[16:26]	XRevan86	Also the videos on Meduza were released raw in high resolution. I've even seen fake reports that tried to look like CNN using that earlier released videos.
[16:27]	XRevan86	activelow: Those rumours don't even make sense according to the official Russian military timeline.
[16:27]	XRevan86	activelow: Keep in mind that the Ministry of Defence said that there were no bodies on the street when the army left Bucha on March 30th.
[16:28]	matey	"they werent in the streets. we dumped them in the skips"
[16:28]	XRevan86	matey: I made a more conservative statement because I don't want to accidentally overstate and I don't want to bother looking for the actual quote.
[16:29]	matey	thats good, one of us should be the voice of reason
[16:29]	matey	might as well be the one paying more attention to details
[16:29]	XRevan86	The idea was that when Russia left Bucha, everything was civil there.
[16:29]	TR News	"Interesting Times is the seventeenth Discworld novel and certainly not the place to start. At the least, you will probably want to read The Colour of Magic and The Light Fantastic before this book, since it's a sequel to those (although Rincewind has had some intervening adventures)." https://www.eyrie.org/~eagle/reviews/books/0-06-227629-8.html
[16:29]	TR Bot	 Review: Interesting Times by Terry Pratchett
[16:30]	XRevan86	So when the facts come in that paint a very different picture, that's serious.
[16:30]	matey	the premise of an argument is the part that never changes
[16:31]	matey	people like activelow (not always! ive seen exceptions) start with a premise, from which an argument proceeds which could appear to... go somewhere
[16:31]	TR News	An open source developers guide to systems programming | https://opensource.com/article/22/4/systems-programming Source: FreeSW | RedHat | IBM | GNU | Linux
[16:31]	TR Bot	open source developer's guide to systems programming | Opensource.com
[16:31]	matey	but if the error is in the premise, its going to still be in the premise at the end of the argument
[16:31]	XRevan86	Putin made a statement that Russia has proof that the Russian army is innocent here. Well, I'm waiting for that proof. A person saying they have proof is not proof in my book.
[16:32]	XRevan86	Earlier Lukashenko said that it was the Brits.
[16:32]	matey	and it will be in the conclusion, because the premise of an argument doesnt change 
[16:32]	XRevan86	If they're going to show the "proof", it sure is going to be entertaining.
[16:32]	matey	Putin made a statement that Russia has proof <- ohh, well, if PUTIN said it...
[16:32]	TR News	Fedora Magazine: From ifcfg to keyfiles: modernizing NetworkManager configuration in Fedora Linux 36 https://fedoramagazine.org/converting-networkmanager-from-ifcfg-to-keyfiles/
[16:32]	TR Bot	 From ifcfg to keyfiles: modernizing NetworkManager configuration in Fedora Linux 36 - Fedora Magazine
[16:33]	matey	If they're going to show the "proof", <- maybe they could say "those are holograms" and wave their hand through one
[16:33]	XRevan86	matey: Yea, and he was looked very convincing, must be real serious.
[16:33]	matey	"look, ee?"
[16:33]	XRevan86	* he looked
[16:33]	matey	oh, well, if he looked convincing, it must be true :)
[16:33]	XRevan86	matey: Exactly.
[16:33]	matey	i mean, if he had started giggling in the middle of it we would know he was lying
[16:33]	matey	but if he had that plaster straight face ive never seen him deviate from...
[16:34]	matey	i mean he must be the most honest politician on earth. his face never moves when he talks.
[16:34]	matey	of course sociopaths can keep a straight face really well.
[16:34]	matey	but lets not jump to conclusions 
[16:35]	bnchs	SomeH4x0r, i forgot about Uplink
[16:35]	bnchs	i have it set to auto-connect
[16:35]	XRevan86	matey: https://meduza.io/en/feature/2020/09/04/we-need-to-discourage-putin I'm expecting this level of proof.
[16:35]		-jobs651/#techrights- CloudFlare: meduza.io | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://meduza.io/en/feature/2020/09/04/we-need-to-discourage-putin https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://meduza.io/en/feature/2020/09/04/we-need-to-discourage-putin
[16:35]	TR Bot	 NO TITLE
[16:35]	matey	there you go
[16:36]	XRevan86	But ye have to admit, it's entertaining.
[16:36]	matey	sort of
[16:36]	XRevan86	Disturbing but entertaining.
[16:36]	matey	i mean, british black humour works like any other humour
[16:37]	matey	i figure eastern european black humour is not fundamentally different
[16:38]	matey	i suppose if you gave pauline from league of gentlemen control of the vestiges of the russian empire
[16:39]	XRevan86	It's more like accidental black humour. It's possible to be a comedian while also just referencing and quoting what state officials said.
[16:39]	matey	it wouldnt be too much different from what we have now
[16:39]	matey	It's possible to be a comedian while also just referencing and quoting what state officials said. <- you can say that again
[16:39]	XRevan86	With no original content or remarks.
[16:39]	matey	a bit like when south park made fun of mormons and scientologists by basically just documenting their actual beliefs
[16:40]	matey	(the mormon one was set to music)
[16:40]	matey	(and that episode eventually turned into a broadway musical called "the book of mormon")
[16:40]	bnchs	with a bit of "dumb dumb dumb dumb"
[16:40]	matey	heh
[16:41]	matey	katherine harris smart smart smart, martin harris dumb dumb dumb!
[16:42]	XRevan86	matey: A lot of ludicrous quotes from Lukashenko get ignored because the market is oversaturated.
[16:42]	matey	i mean imagine if george w bush and trump were in high office at the same time
[16:43]	XRevan86	The memers really like this one: https://youtu.be/B0FeABbLPeo
[16:43]	TR Bot	https://invidious.esmailelbob.xyz/watch?v=B0FeABbLPeo
[16:43]	TR Bot	invidious.esmailelbob.xyz | MEM / / Lukashenko Meme - Invidious
[16:44]	matey	/me wonders whatever became of the woman who ran trumps campaign
[16:44]	matey	hillary something. a candidate so terrible, they elected HIM instead
[16:44]	jobs651	 hello matey
[16:44]	matey	hi jobs, are you a bot?
[16:44]	matey	you say hi matey and nothing else
[16:44]	SomeH4x0r	hi abcd
[16:45]	SomeH4x0r	I wonder if it triggered on "hi*"
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[16:45]	SomeH4x0r	"hillary"
[16:45]	SomeH4x0r	maybe ^hi*
[16:45]	SomeH4x0r	hello
[16:45]	TR News	Easy GE-Proton installer ProtonUp-Qt now shows Steam Deck compatibility | GamingOnLinux https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/04/easy-ge-proton-installer-protonup-qt-now-shows-steam-deck-compatibility/ Source: Gaming On Linux | GNU | Linux | Games
[16:45]		-jobs651/#techrights- CloudFlare: gamingonlinux.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/04/easy-ge-proton-installer-protonup-qt-now-shows-steam-deck-compatibility/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/04/easy-ge-proton-installer-protonup-qt-now-shows-steam-deck-compatibility/
[16:45]	TR Bot	GE-Proton installer ProtonUp-Qt now shows Steam Deck compatibility | GamingOnLinux
[16:45]	XRevan86	> I will now show you the location, which they planned to use as a base to attack Belarus. If there had not been a preventive strike on the positions - four positions - six hours before the operation - I will show you the map that I brought with me - they would have attacked the troops of Belarus and Russia, which were conducting exercises. So, we did not unleash this war, our conscience is clear.
[16:45]	XRevan86	matey: Found a decent translation.
[16:46]	XRevan86	It's his most famous quote now.
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[16:46]	matey	So, we did not unleash this war, our conscience is clear. <- oh its a war now?
[16:46]	matey	i thought it was a special military operation
[16:46]	bnchs	comp.techrights
[16:47]	XRevan86	https://youtu.be/80PZSyRRxow so dank
[16:47]	TR Bot	https://invidious.weblibre.org/watch?v=80PZSyRRxow
[16:47]	TR Bot	invidious.weblibre.org | - | , - Invidious
[16:47]	matey	lol
[16:48]	XRevan86	https://youtu.be/18TFz4og-cE
[16:48]	TR Bot	https://inv.bp.mutahar.rocks/watch?v=18TFz4og-cE
[16:48]	matey	see, russia was only defending itself-- there was a preemptive, sorry! preventative strike
[16:48]	TR Bot	timed out after 10001 milliseconds ( status 0 @ https://inv.bp.mutahar.rocks/watch?v=18TFz4og-cE )
[16:48]	matey	on 4 locations
[16:48]	matey	their aim is terrible and probably got WAY more than 4
[16:48]	matey	but we can put that down to equipment trouble
[16:48]	TR News	Wireless Ear Buds Powered by Open Source? Sounds Good To Me! Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/164283
[16:48]	TR Bot	 Wireless Ear Buds Powered by Open Source? Sounds Good To Me! | Tux Machines
[16:49]	TR News	The future of Linux: Fedora project leader Matthew Miller weighs in Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/164284
[16:49]	XRevan86	matey: "oh its a war now?" <- Don't expect consistency.
[16:49]	TR Bot	 The future of Linux: Fedora project leader Matthew Miller weighs in | Tux Machines
[16:49]	matey	i mean they meant to strike here, here, here and here
[16:49]	XRevan86	Pretty sure he never showed the positions.
[16:49]	matey	and instead, they got here, here, here, here, here, here, here, there, there, there, here, here, here, here, here, here, there, there, here, and there.
[16:49]	matey	but the museum was the KEY location.
[16:50]	matey	its where they kept all the guidance computers.
[16:50]	matey	/me tsks
[16:50]	TR News	Gratis ads?? https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/04/a-4th-gen-kubuntu-focus-m2-laptop-is-out-now/ I don't see referral code in the URL, so I assume no tracking
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[16:50]	TR Bot	4th Gen Kubuntu Focus M2 laptop is out now | GamingOnLinux
[16:51]	matey	Don't expect consistency. <- i wouldnt
[16:51]	XRevan86	https://youtu.be/al0J9BNsMQk https://youtu.be/dmVo4aR3Rtw
[16:51]	TR Bot	https://yewtu.be/watch?v=al0J9BNsMQk
[16:51]	TR Bot	yewtu.be | - Invidious
[16:51]	TR Bot	https://invidious.snopyta.org/watch?v=dmVo4aR3Rtw
[16:51]	TR Bot	invidious.snopyta.org | ... - Invidious
[16:51]	XRevan86	So many good ones.
[16:51]	matey	apparently the russian media is run by tom cruise himself
[16:52]	matey	xenu was engaged
[16:52]	TR News	You don't need a whole EPYC crate to run this test https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=ubuntu-2204-epyc7601&num=1 see http://techrights.org/2022/02/03/phoronix-went-too-far/
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[16:52]	TR Bot	EPYC Performance Over The Past Six Years Of Ubuntu Linux LTS Releases - Phoronix
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[16:52]	TR Bot	 When Blogs Become Marketing and Benchmarks Become Product Promotions | Techrights
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[16:53]	XRevan86	https://globalsecurity.org/wmd/library/news/belarus/2022/belarus-220311-kremlin01.htm full transcription
[16:53]	TR Bot	 Meeting with President of Belarus Alexander Lukashenko
[16:54]	XRevan86	Biological laboratories included.
[16:55]	matey	darn those things
[16:55]	matey	ukraine has one on every corner, like churches in italy.
[16:56]	XRevan86	Them Americans are developing genetic viruses that will eliminate the Slavic ethnicity.
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[16:56]	matey	thats a shame, slavic women are by far among my favourites
[16:56]	MinceR	does lukashenka also explain JFK Jr.'s failure to come back from the dead?
[16:57]	matey	maybe we can find some way to *cough* repopulate the slavic race(s) in a hurry
[16:57]	MinceR	29 175616 < XRevan86> Them Americans are developing genetic viruses that will eliminate the Slavic ethnicity.
[16:58]	MinceR	oh, i thought they were viruses that would eliminate russians but not ukrainians, despite them being allegedly the same ethnicity.
[16:58]	XRevan86	MinceR: There is some variety in thought here.
[16:58]	matey	 <MinceR> does lukashenka also explain JFK Jr.'s failure to come back from the dead? <- he would do, if ukraine wasnt standing in his way!
[16:58]	MinceR	variety, perhaps. thought, i have yet to see.
[16:59]	matey	variety has gotten a lot better now that hitchens is finally dead
[16:59]	MinceR	matey: is the gate of the underworld in ukraine?
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[16:59]	XRevan86	MinceR: "thought" <- I used the word casually, I think the medical term is "delirium"
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[17:00]	matey	https://yewtu.be/watch?v=lwCy6yn4SDY
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[17:56]	activelow	nice, X11 is back, all fontconfig magic removed, with beautiful fonts, and terminal is much faster now since expensive anti-aliasing/hinting isn't necessary anymore with PCF fonts...
[17:56]	activelow	next, trying to hack suckless.org simple terminal to utilize X11 pcf fonts instead of IBM Mapple freetype
[17:57]	activelow	it is not perfect yet; nonetheless, given the fact rxvt-2.7.10 is deprecated for 20years it seems good
[17:57]	activelow	and i think, if suckless st can be hacked to support PCF fonts, this will be the fastest ever terminal emulator available
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[18:09]	activelow	and both, rxvt-2.7 and suckless st are known to support some graphics related capabilities, required for ReGIS and sixels...
[18:13]	matey	https://thecodinglove.com/when-the-intern-updates-the-npm-packages-in-production <- oh was he an intern? i thought he was just a dick who couldnt tell putin from any other russians
[18:15]	matey	nice, X11 is back, all fontconfig magic removed, with beautiful fonts, and terminal is much faster now since expensive anti-aliasing/hinting isn't necessary anymore with PCF fonts... <- theres also some way to do this with fontconfig magic (no  expensive anti-aliasing/hinting) but obviously that wouldnt save compiling without c++ etc
[18:16]	matey	if suckless st can be hacked to support PCF fonts, this will be the fastest ever terminal emulator available <- not if their scrolling routine is slower
[18:17]	matey	its the scroll (through millions of lines if needed) that makes xterm crazy fast
[18:18]	activelow	rxvt/xterm speed is nowhere near of suckless st
[18:18]	activelow	and fontconfig does have a c++ dependency graph, and i havn't decided yet, wether fontconfig/freetype will be kept or not
[18:19]	activelow	certainly i'll keep the dependencies against mapple freetype minimal (because it is slow)
[18:19]	matey	fwiw ive just compared xterm and urxvt
[18:19]	matey	and urxvt is even faster, so xterm must be some compromise due to urxvt not having some feature i want
[18:19]	matey	xterm isnt faster than urxvt, at least not here
[18:19]	matey	that was reported in error
[18:20]	activelow	i don't know, there is some tricks with any terminal, such as async scrolling, PCF fonts... which boost the speed of all of them considerably
[18:20]	matey	of course
[18:20]	activelow	however, suckless st would be perfect, with the tests i made, i had seen suckless being 10x faster than an already tweaked rxvt
[18:21]	activelow	yet, i'll have to hack this, because it still depends on fontconfig, which i do _not_ accept inside a terminal emulator
[18:21]	activelow	i mean, fonconfig/freetype with ghostscript is acceptable, it doesn't belong into a terminal emulator
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[18:30]	matey	fonconfig/freetype with ghostscript is acceptable, it doesn't belong into a terminal emulator <- i dont think there are any terms with ghostscript available
[18:31]	matey	though saying theres no place for ttf in a term window is definitely not a statement i would make
[18:31]	activelow	didn't say this; i say _most_ terminal emulators utilize fontconfig/freetype, which is a very bad design choice
[18:31]	matey	you know a lot of them let you turn it off
[18:31]	matey	and use bitmapped fonts
[18:32]	psydroid2	suckless actually sucks more
[18:32]	matey	for example, xterm and urxvt are both using bitmapped fonts here
[18:32]	matey	xterm can use ttf but doesnt by default
[18:32]	activelow	^ which is how it should be with a terminal emulator
[18:33]	matey	i mean, im quite fond of using the vt with framebuffer turned off
[18:33]	matey	so the fonts are hardware-based
[18:33]	matey	many times ive fiddled with grub to accomplish this
[18:33]	matey	just the config file
[18:33]	matey	though one thing that was great about dos...
[18:34]	activelow	correction: foncfonfig/freetype does _not_ have a c++ dependency graph (only harfbuzz/gnome/gtk do)
[18:34]	matey	vga (hardware) fonts 80x50 (too small for long term use) and better, 80x43
[18:34]	matey	80x43 mode is very nice
[18:34]	matey	so much more to work with than 80x25
[18:34]	matey	but not as ridiculously small as 80x50
[18:34]	activelow	yet there is other reasons, to carefully look at what terminal emulators are capable of, or aren't: ReGIS and sixel, to mention another one, BSD pty support, no-c++
[18:35]	matey	if thats possible (without framebuffer) in gnu/linux, its arcane knowledge (afaik)
[18:35]	matey	ditto openbsd, i mean i wouldnt be surprised if it were possible, i dont know how
[18:35]	matey	yet there is other reasons, to carefully look at what terminal emulators are capable of, or aren't: ReGIS and sixel, to mention another one, BSD pty support, no-c++ <- i get those are goals of your project
[18:35]	matey	<psydroid2> suckless actually sucks more <- it really depends 
[18:36]	matey	i love dwm, i have yet to fall in love with st
[18:36]	activelow	it isn't project-specific matey, some criteria apply to _all_ terminal emulators
[18:36]	matey	some criteria apply to _all_ terminal emulators <- in your mind at least
[18:38]	activelow	ReGIS and sixels existed long before i was born matey; and terminal emulators didn't require anti-aliasing/hinting together with a GFLOP of processing power to output characters into terminal
[18:40]	activelow	better question the sanity of those who implemented terminal emulators differently, without vector graphics support for scientific work
[18:42]	matey	O3RO3R better question the sanity of those who implemented terminal emulators differently <- yes, its crazy to have fonts that make it so you can use the computer longer with less train
[18:42]	matey	strain
[18:42]	matey	i mean they should be optional of course
[18:43]	matey	but even giving the option? crazy!
[18:44]	activelow	are you implying eye fatigue can be cured with font anti-aliasing and hinting which require a 1GFLOP of processing power?
[18:44]	matey	i mean just the word "terminal emulator" comes from old german termingung munglattung which means "youd be fucking crazy to use vectors here"
[18:44]	matey	cured? no
[18:44]	activelow	i am well aware of the problem of eye fatigue, and too know what is helpful with it
[18:44]	matey	can anti-aliasing REDUCE strain? fuck yes
[18:45]	matey	and too know what is helpful with it <- this should be fun to learn
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[18:46]	matey	nine years ago, the p4 came out
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[18:47]	matey	capable of 1.84 TERAFLOPS
[18:47]	matey	at $400, the cost of a "gflop" in 2013 was 22 cents
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[18:47]	matey	so 22 cents worth of that processor is what it costs to have font anti-aliasing
[18:47]	matey	in 2013.
[18:48]	matey	i think some people are happy to spend 22 cents on anti-aliased fonts
[18:48]	matey	hell, even if it was two dollars-- which it was closer to in 2011
[18:48]	activelow	font anti-aliasing and hinting need alot of processing power if done real-time within terminal emulator; that's why cmatrix screen-saver was hitting 100% CPU usage
[18:49]	activelow	which is ridiculous, a terminal emulator caused this
[18:49]	matey	in 2007 the cost of a gflop was $50
[18:49]	matey	in 2003 it was $100-- see a pattern here?
[18:49]	matey	which is ridiculous, a terminal emulator caused this <- YES! its a well known fact that a ps4 would cost half as much if people used bitmapped fonts in unix.
[18:50]	activelow	thing is, my terminal emulator now requires <0.001GFLOPS and hits close to zero cpu usage instead of 100%
[18:50]	matey	thats cool
[18:50]	matey	but its not CRAZY to use more 
[18:51]	matey	in 2015 the cost of a gflop was down to 8 cents. but it should cost 5 cents.
[18:52]	matey	2017? five years ago? 3 cents.
[18:52]	matey	3 cents to have anti-aliased fonts
[18:53]	matey	of course by then, some idiot at ibm probably increased the power needed to TWO gflops. well, thats 6 cents. but it should cost 5 cents.
[18:54]	matey	thats on a 38 teraflop system
[18:54]	matey	which is far more than i need
[18:54]	matey	but no matter what you do, anti-aliased fonts are not the biggest problem here
[18:54]	matey	lots of things are a hundred times crazier than that
[18:54]	matey	really useless stuff
[18:55]	activelow	of cause, there is many more issues; such as missing ReGIS and sixels support, which is _the_ feature of a *nix virtual terminal, to do scientific work with
[18:55]		*psydroid2 fragt sich, ob es eine terminale krankheitsausstattung fr termingung minglattung gibt
[18:55]	matey	prices (of a gflop) generally fall at around an order of magnitude every five years
[18:56]	matey	i dont think anyone is going to be happy doing "scientific work" with sixel resolution, when youve got a framebuffer RIGHT THERE
[18:56]	matey	theyre going to use pixels
[18:57]	matey	sixels are a cool hack
[18:57]	activelow	and there is ReGIS too
[18:57]	matey	pretending theyre some kind of scientific instrumentation in 2022 is a bit silly
[18:57]	matey	im not familiar with regis
[18:57]	activelow	or better to say, there isn't
[18:58]	activelow	exactly, why bother, why would a *nix terminal need capabilities to plot diagrams? and a format supporting this with *nix TTY and 9pin matrix plotters?
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[18:59]	activelow	which is, features, already supported with i8086 era terminals
[18:59]	matey	ill be happy to eat my words if scientists in low-income situations start using unix on 8bit microcontrollers.
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[19:00]	activelow	besides the issues NASA had, to source i8086 hardware spare parts for their Space Shuttle; terminal emulators which aren't capable anymore of what a terminal was 40 years ago....
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[19:02]	matey	heres some devils advocacy (only for the sake of sanity)
[19:02]	matey	maybe the reason that terminals dont have full capabilities compared to 40 years ago...
[19:03]	matey	is that 40 years ago they were trying REALLY HARD to sell as many of those as possible, AND added a bunch of (relatively) useless features, just like gnome does to gnu/linux today.
[19:03]	matey	and, realising this, instead of keeping a lot of that cruft, it was dumped over time from the 80s to the present.
[19:03]	matey	just a theory.
[19:04]	matey	also keeping in line with present trends, im equally confident that at least a few USEFUL features were abandoned as well..
[19:04]	matey	and bringing those back would be cool
[19:05]	matey	but making that out to be so much more damning than it really is...
[19:05]	matey	useless features (lots of them) get added to whatever theyre trying to sell NOW
[19:05]	matey	sometimes, useful features are abandoned as a result. bring those back
[19:05]	matey	dont presume the useless features of yesterday are the same as the few important features that were lost
[19:06]	XRevan86	https://poorlydrawnlines.com/comic/too-skeptical/ This represents me perfectly.
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[19:06]	matey	they were gimmicks then, just like ribbon menus are today
[19:06]	matey	i dont miss 16bit memory paging AT ALL, even if it would be cool to do some 8 bit computing
[19:07]	matey	16bit memory paging was a fucking pain in the arse (at least for me, some people handled it quite deftly. some people code in rust too)
[19:07]	matey	when things went 32 bit, some basic tasks got A WHOLE LOT easier
[19:08]	matey	64 bit (afaict) has few such advantages for say, writing scripts.
[19:08]	matey	maybe if youre using c its 100x better
[19:08]	matey	i dont know
[19:08]	matey	i dont pretend to know
[19:09]	matey	but the one area where 64bit is surely better is if you need more than xGB of ram 
[19:09]	matey	then im sure trying to do that with 32bit is 16bit memory paging all over agin
[19:09]	matey	as it happens i never use that much ram
[19:10]	matey	never. but some do.
[19:10]	matey	i dont say its crazy to use 64 bit when you need that much ram, if you really need that much ram
[19:11]	matey	if you need that much ram for some gnome bullshit, that probably is crazy
[19:12]		*psydroid2 wouldn't want to deal with anything less than 32-bit these days, but preferably just 64-bit (except on x86, which is just awful in any bitness)
[19:13]	matey	id love to deal with 8 bit for some things
[19:13]	matey	but making an os that is 50x as crippled for the sake of hardware i dont actually own seems...
[19:13]	matey	well, like a fun experiment, not a law of physics
[19:13]	psydroid2	like a learning experience?
[19:14]	matey	yes, a learning experience
[19:14]	matey	if treated as an experiment, that seems a lot more rooted in "not crazy" than declaring it to be
[19:14]	matey	well... the next templeos
[19:16]	matey	the thing about experiments is youre supposed to learn from them
[19:17]	matey	you make discoveries along the way, which hopefully increase your understanding
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[19:18]	matey	maybe sometimes they confirm your suspicions about something, if your hypothesis was that good
[19:18]	matey	but if every experiment proves you right about everything youre probably doing it wrong :)
[19:19]	matey	theres probably a flaw in that experiment, or the experimenter
[19:20]	MinceR	(cat) (no audio) https://i.imgur.com/UKk5rEf.mp4
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[19:20]	matey	it might still be a worthwhile endeavour, to be fair-- it would need to be tailored a bit to make it more accurate, more useful
[19:20]	matey	not the experimental equivalent of a circular argument.
[19:21]	matey	cherry picking facts and findings. creationist science.
[19:21]	psydroid2	it's going to be a sixacular endeavour
[19:21]	matey	its too sixy!
[19:21]	matey	BUT I MUST
[19:21]	matey	(chris kattan for those who dont get the reference)
[19:23]	activelow	"but making an os that is 50x as crippled for the sake of hardware i dont actually own" <- crippled how?
[19:24]	activelow	how would a fast and efficient terminal emulator cripple anything? besides terminal emulators in question are portable.
[19:24]	matey	i mean who needs legs, requiring 110% more brain power
[19:24]	matey	when you can walk on your hands?
[19:25]	matey	 how would a fast and efficient terminal emulator cripple anything? <- for a scientist, you should know thats a loaded (one sided question) which you already know the answer to
[19:25]	matey	i mean thats a politicians question, not a scientists
[19:25]	activelow	furthmore, any gnu or linux never can be tailored to the perfection of templeos, to fit into 2MiB of memory with a flight simulator; this is impossible with any linux of the last 20 years
[19:25]	matey	at any rate, this experiment isnt useless
[19:26]	matey	some aspects of it are silly-- mostly some of the conclusions, which are stilted
[19:26]	matey	any gnu or linux never can be tailored to the perfection of templeos <- ...
[19:26]	matey	have fun with it. im still interested.
[19:26]	matey	some aspects of it are interesting
[19:26]	matey	o/
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[19:28]	MinceR	29 202101 < matey> cherry picking facts and findings. creationist science.
[19:28]	MinceR	cdesign proponentsists
[19:29]	MinceR	lol @ the perfection of templeos
[19:29]	MinceR	to have the entire OS crash on programming errors in any application
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[19:29]	bnchs	MinceR, yes it's perfect
[19:29]	MinceR	but people who hate memory protection should absolutely switch to templeos
[19:30]	bnchs	when the programs cause a segfault
[19:30]	bnchs	you have to reboot
[19:30]	bnchs	so fuck you
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[19:38]	TR News	Top 5 Privacy Focused Linux Distributions in 2022 to Keep You Safe [Compared] Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/164289
[19:38]	TR Bot	 Top 5 Privacy Focused Linux Distributions in 2022 to Keep You Safe [Compared] | Tux Machines
[19:50]	TR News	Microsoft is concern-trolling 'Linux' (systemd) to distract from itself https://www.theregister.com/2022/04/27/microsoft-linux-vulnerability/ https://www.esecurityplanet.com/threats/nimbuspwn-root-privilege-escalation-linux/ see http://techrights.org/2022/04/27/secfud-aggression-and-deflection/
[19:50]		-jobs651/#techrights- CloudFlare: theregister.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.theregister.com/2022/04/27/microsoft-linux-vulnerability/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://www.theregister.com/2022/04/27/microsoft-linux-vulnerability/
[19:50]		-jobs651/#techrights- CloudFlare: esecurityplanet.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.esecurityplanet.com/threats/nimbuspwn-root-privilege-escalation-linux/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://www.esecurityplanet.com/threats/nimbuspwn-root-privilege-escalation-linux/
[19:50]	TR Bot	 Microsoft points out privilege-escalation flaws in Linux The Register
[19:50]	TR Bot	New Root Privilege Escalation Found in Linux | eSecurityPlanet
[19:50]	TR Bot	 Microsoft Aggression and Deflection (Against Linux) | Techrights
[19:50]	TR News	Todays #HowTos | #UNIX Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/164290
[19:50]	TR Bot	 today's howtos | Tux Machines
[19:54]	TR News	ICBM is outdated and can be ignored https://enterprisersproject.com/article/2022/4/digital-transformation-outdated-tips-ignore
[19:54]	TR Bot	 Digital transformation: 3 outdated tips to ignore | The Enterprisers Project
[19:56]	TR News	LOL, making up more buzzwords as job titles? "MLOps" https://www.redhat.com/en/resources/forrester-total-economic-impact-fsi-analyst-material
[19:56]		-jobs651/#techrights- CloudFlare: redhat.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.redhat.com/en/resources/forrester-total-economic-impact-fsi-analyst-material https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://www.redhat.com/en/resources/forrester-total-economic-impact-fsi-analyst-material
[19:56]	TR Bot	 The Total Economic Impact Of Red Hat Hybrid Cloud Platform For MLOps
[19:56]	MinceR	https://files.explosm.net/comics/Kris/huge.png   ( https://explosm.net/comics/kris-huge#comic )
[19:56]		-jobs651/#techrights- CloudFlare: explosm.net | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://files.explosm.net/comics/Kris/huge.png https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://files.explosm.net/comics/Kris/huge.png
[19:56]	TR Bot	& Happiness (Explosm.net)
[19:57]	TR News	LOL. "IBM Research AI VP" https://yewtu.be/watch?v=7KctrXkPiEA hey hi sir...
[19:57]	TR Bot	 Technically Speaking (E13): Building a foundation for AI models - Invidious
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[20:01]	TR News	"No, not Creepy Uncle Bill Gates, but rather Gates gas caps." https://baronhk.wordpress.com/2022/04/28/my-buicks-computer-does-not-like-gates/ Source: baronhk
[20:01]	TR Bot	 My Buicks computer does not like Gates. BaronHK's Rants
[20:01]	TR News	FreeBSD 13.1-RC5 Now Available Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/164291
[20:01]	TR Bot	 FreeBSD 13.1-RC5 Now Available | Tux Machines
[20:01]	TR News	Fedora and IBM/Red Hat Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/164292
[20:01]	TR Bot	 Fedora and IBM/Red Hat | Tux Machines
[20:03]	TR News	KDE Plasma Mobile 22.04 Mobile Platform Available http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/164163#comment-33493
[20:03]	TR Bot	 KDE Releases Plasma Mobile Gear 22.04 with Lots of Goodies for Linux Phone Users | Tux Machines
[20:07]	TR News	"On Techrights IRC, Roy laughed and said Bill Gates would be jealous of me because Im riding a 14 year old (car, that is!). (Bill Gates is a prolific sex pervert and was a friend of Jeff Epstein that throws his money around to control what is said about him.)" https://baronhk.wordpress.com/2022/04/28/my-buicks-computer-does-not-like-gates/
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[20:07]	TR News	Lakka 4.2 release Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/164293
[20:07]	TR Bot	 Lakka 4.2 release | Tux Machines
[20:08]	TR News	PostgreSQL: pg_ivm 1.0 released! https://www.postgresql.org/about/news/pg_ivm-10-released-2443/ Source: postgresql
[20:08]	TR Bot	 PostgreSQL: pg_ivm 1.0 released!
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[20:10]	TR News	"The LibreOffice Conference is the annual gathering of the community, our end-users, developers, and everyone interested in free office software. This year, it took place online once again" https://blog.documentfoundation.org/blog/2022/04/29/annual-report-libreoffice-documentation-project-in-2021/
[20:10]	TR Bot	 Annual Report: LibreOffice Documentation Project in 2021 - The Document Foundation Blog
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[20:23]	TR News	Links 29/04/2022: Lakka 4.2, Redox OS 0.7.0, and FreeBSD 13.1 RC5 | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/04/29/redox-os-0-7-0/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/04/29/redox-os-0-7-0/
[20:23]	TR Bot	 Links 29/04/2022: Lakka 4.2, Redox OS 0.7.0, and FreeBSD 13.1 RC5 | Techrights
[20:23]	TR News	Programming Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/164294
[20:23]	TR Bot	 Programming Leftovers | Tux Machines
[20:23]	TR News	Canonical/Ubuntu: Banking, Openwashing, and Buzzwords Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/164295
[20:23]	TR Bot	 Canonical/Ubuntu: Banking, Openwashing, and Buzzwords | Tux Machines
[20:23]	TR News	Free Software and Openwashing Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/164296
[20:23]	TR Bot	 Free Software and Openwashing | Tux Machines
[20:23]	TR News	SUSE Linux Enterprise 15 Service Pack 4 Public Release Candidate and SUSECON Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/164297
[20:23]	TR Bot	 SUSE Linux Enterprise 15 Service Pack 4 Public Release Candidate and SUSECON | Tux Machines
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[20:33]	MinceR	https://hugelolcdn.com/i/824366.jpg
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[20:40]	TR News	Applications: pg_ivm 1.0, Poppler, Chromium, Kubernetes Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/164298
[20:40]	TR Bot	 Applications: pg_ivm 1.0, Poppler, Chromium, Kubernetes | Tux Machines
[20:41]	psydroid2	https://www.presseportal.de/pm/129569/5208456
[20:41]	TR Bot	 Schwarz Gruppe ffnet deutsche Cloud STACKIT fr Unternehmen und ffentliche ... | Presseportal
[20:42]	bnchs	xfce terminal segfaulted
[20:50]	psydroid2	lol
[20:50]	psydroid2	everything segfaults
[20:50]	psydroid2	they're trying to break everything that once worked
[20:51]	psydroid2	freely breakable software
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[20:59]	IPFS	IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 24.81 k/sec., IPFS upstream 74.01 average k/sec., average swarm size 377.01
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[21:18]	TR News	GNOME 42.1 Is Out with Many Improvements to Software, Nautilus, and Control Center Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/164299
[21:18]	TR Bot	 GNOME 42.1 Is Out with Many Improvements to Software, Nautilus, and Control Center | Tux Machines
[21:18]	schestowitz	psydroid2: xfce is my most stable laptop, running xfce4
[21:18]	schestowitz	it can go on for years
[21:19]	schestowitz	if not for loss of battery power ^_^
[21:23]	TR News	Jono Bacon not even interested in "Open Source" anymore. Look what they are covering... https://www.badvoltage.org/2022/04/29/3x45/ Bacon selling tweets for Microsoft http://techrights.org/2019/04/08/jono-bacon-works-for-microsoft/
[21:23]		-jobs651/#techrights- CloudFlare: badvoltage.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.badvoltage.org/2022/04/29/3x45/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://www.badvoltage.org/2022/04/29/3x45/
[21:23]	TR Bot	 345: Natural Musk | Bad Voltage
[21:23]	TR Bot	 Jono Bacon Works for Microsoft | Techrights
[21:25]	TR News	"The Steam Deck has had a huge week. Not only did the Deck have a MASSIVE update on Monday evening, but it also had one of the most eagerly awaited features land in the beta channel." https://yewtu.be/watch?v=oyvt_ENMUCs
[21:25]	TR Bot	 Valve dropped ANOTHER HUGE UPDATE making 40 FPS better than 50. Plus other Steam Deck news. - Invidious
[21:25]	TR News	Gardiner turned from "Linux" to marketing :/
[21:30]	TR News	Linux Mint advances its plans for the next version - LinuxStoney http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163423#comment-33494
[21:30]	TR Bot	 Linux Mint 21 Vanessa Will Be Based on Ubuntu 22.04 LTS, New Upgrade Tool in the Works | Tux Machines
[21:31]	schestowitz	of note: we're thinking of leaving the job to focus on our own things
[21:31]	schestowitz	not decided yet
[21:32]	schestowitz	challenging the employer on a number of key issues at the moment, waiting to see if the employer listens 
[21:34]	TR News	Qt wants to be in cars https://www.qt.io/blog/qt-for-android-automotive-6.3.0-released
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[21:34]	TR Bot	 Qt for Android Automotive 6.3.0 released
[21:34]	TR News	Arduino-controlled CNC engraver uses solar power https://blog.arduino.cc/2022/04/28/arduino-controlled-cnc-engraver-uses-solar-power/
[21:34]		-jobs651/#techrights- CloudFlare: arduino.cc | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://blog.arduino.cc/2022/04/28/arduino-controlled-cnc-engraver-uses-solar-power/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://blog.arduino.cc/2022/04/28/arduino-controlled-cnc-engraver-uses-solar-power/
[21:34]	TR Bot	 Arduino-controlled CNC engraver uses solar power | Arduino Blog
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[21:39]	MinceR	https://hugelolcdn.com/i/823666.jpg
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[21:41]	XRevan86	MinceR: But usually only once or twice.
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[21:47]	SomeH4x0r	wb
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[22:02]	TR News	Meh. You can just reuse an old machine to do the same and much better! https://www.cnx-software.com/2022/04/29/turing-smart-screen-a-low-cost-3-5-inch-usb-type-c-information-display/
[22:02]		-jobs651/#techrights- CloudFlare: cnx-software.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.cnx-software.com/2022/04/29/turing-smart-screen-a-low-cost-3-5-inch-usb-type-c-information-display/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://www.cnx-software.com/2022/04/29/turing-smart-screen-a-low-cost-3-5-inch-usb-type-c-information-display/
[22:02]	TR Bot	 Turing Smart Screen - A low-cost 3.5-inch USB Type-C information display - CNX Software
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[22:05]	TR News	"The NAS comes with 2GB of RAM, 4GB of storage for QTS 5.0 Linux operating system, USB 3.0 and USB 2.0 ports, and the company promotes it as a personal private cloud & home multimedia center."
[22:05]	TR News	HPLIP 3.22.4 Released with Manjaro 21.2 & New Printers Support Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/164300
[22:05]	TR Bot	 HPLIP 3.22.4 Released with Manjaro 21.2 & New Printers Support | Tux Machines
[22:05]	TR News	Chonky Palmtop is a DIY portable Linux computer with a split keyboard and 7 inch display Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/164301
[22:05]	TR Bot	 Chonky Palmtop is a DIY portable Linux computer with a split keyboard and 7 inch display | Tux Machines
[22:07]	TR News	Steam now available as Snap package on Linux, with easier installation and sandboxing http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/164287#comment-33495
[22:07]	TR Bot	 Steam is Now on the Snap Store And You Can Help Test It | Tux Machines
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[22:12]	TR News	Rust cultists destroying Linux simplicity and autonomy https://lwn.net/Articles/889924/
[22:12]	TR Bot	at the border [LWN.net]
[22:14]	TR News	KOReader: a free electronic-book reader for e-ink devices https://lwn.net/Articles/889171/ "v. 3 of the GNU Affero General Public License. It is, seemingly, a highly portable application, being available for Linux..."
[22:14]	TR Bot	a free electronic-book reader for e-ink devices [LWN.net]
[22:14]	immibis	wow netsurf is fast as fuck. but no javascript. probably why it's fast as fuck
[22:15]	immibis	i should start using netsurf exclusively for websites that don't require javascript
[22:15]	immibis	and so should you
[22:16]	TR News	Fedora considers deprecating legacy BIOS https://lwn.net/Articles/891273/ see http://techrights.org/2022/04/08/planned-obsolescence-ibm/
[22:16]	TR Bot	considers deprecating legacy BIOS [LWN.net]
[22:16]	TR Bot	 IBM and Fedora: Stop Being Poor! Buy a New PC! | Techrights
[22:17]	activelow	immibis: netsurf has support for duktape javascript engine, and it is fast with it too
[22:17]	activelow	problem with netsurf: gtk dependency, and the netsurf-motif port is incomplete
[22:17]	TR News	Kernel: Rust, User Events, and More Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/164302
[22:17]	TR Bot	 Kernel: Rust, User Events, and More | Tux Machines
[22:18]	TR News	Builder GTK 4 Porting, Continued Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/164303
[22:18]	bnchs	immibis, true
[22:18]	TR Bot	 Builder GTK 4 Porting, Continued | Tux Machines
[22:18]	bnchs	likely because there's no overhead caused by loading the javascript interpreter
[22:18]	TR News	Google #Android Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/164304
[22:18]	TR Bot	 Android Leftovers | Tux Machines
[22:18]	bnchs	and loading the libraries and shit
[22:23]	immibis	huh, portage says I do have javascript enabled at compile time
[22:23]	immibis	oh it's in preferences. off by default
[22:25]	immibis	doesn't seem to work
[22:27]	activelow	doesn't work how?
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[22:28]	activelow	the capabilities of javascript are limited, no web assembly (wasm)... which is good
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[22:49]	psydruid	https://semiaccurate.com/2022/04/14/amds-ryzen-5800x3d-is-too-flawed-for-consumer-use/
[22:49]	TR Bot	Ryzen 5800X3D is too flawed for consumer use - SemiAccurate
[22:50]	matey	 :)
[22:50]	matey	 /me drops x86 in the toilet 
[22:50]	matey	 /me flushes
[22:50]	matey	ill still buy it used until im confident i have a replacement
[22:50]	matey	i dont want anyone to think im cooler than that yet
[22:52]	immibis	activelow: old reddit's reply box is like the simplest javascript ever, and it doesn't work
[22:52]	immibis	unless they secretly rewrote it in wasm
[22:52]	matey	doesnt work...
[22:52]	matey	/me has been teaching cgi, but the student has surpassed the teacher
[22:53]	matey	you think its cool to get a computer doing something
[22:54]	immibis	what's a cgi? sorry, we only do node.php++ here
[22:54]	matey	teachings someone to get a computer to do something is amazing
[22:54]	matey	cgi is a guy from california
[22:54]	matey	who thinks hes going to be famous cause hes in a rock and roll band
[22:54]	matey	sorry, thats a guy named marshall stack
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[22:55]	matey	php++
[22:56]	matey	is that as good as ironphp
[22:56]	bnchs	lol cgi?
[22:56]	bnchs	that's ancient tech for fuck sake
[22:56]	bnchs	use fastcgi
[22:56]	matey	well its funny you say that
[22:56]	matey	we started with nginx
[22:56]	matey	which of course... has no cgi to speak of
[22:57]	bnchs	imagine creating a process for every request
[22:57]	matey	and requires fastcgi fyou want to 
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[22:57]	matey	i mean
[22:57]	matey	we arent doing this for web design
[22:57]	matey	fuck web design actually
[22:57]	matey	what we were doing is building a simple, anonymous email alternative
[22:57]		*psydruid knows nothing about web design
[22:57]	matey	for a very small number of users
[22:58]	bnchs	well fastcgi would be efficient
[22:58]	bnchs	for less memory usage and multithreading
[22:58]	matey	yes, it would be efficient about a technology that needs to die anyway
[22:58]	matey	multithreading, multiseat, multi-systemd!
[22:58]	bnchs	and no process spawning overhead (still used btw)
[22:58]	matey	this is someone who has never before seen server-side scripting
[22:58]	bnchs	besides i'm planning to use it anyway
[22:58]	matey	its an introduction 
[22:59]	bnchs	oh
[22:59]	matey	and theyre running with it faster than i can teach
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[22:59]	matey	ive created a monster and im very proi
[22:59]	matey	proud
[22:59]	bnchs	it just sounds out of character for me to act rude
[22:59]	matey	no its cool
[22:59]	matey	i mean
[22:59]	matey	gemini > web
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[23:00]	matey	and we did nginx first
[23:00]	bnchs	if only there were fastcgi for gemini
[23:00]	matey	give it time
[23:00]	matey	before they go muckig about with fastcgi
[23:00]	matey	i wanted them to experience cgi itself
[23:01]	matey	as a starting point, not a destination
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[23:01]	matey	theyre already running their own server, from uni, without dns or any shit like that
[23:01]	matey	through onion service
[23:02]	matey	and for fun theyre doing cgi on port 80 
[23:02]	matey	which is somethign theyve never seen before
[23:02]	matey	but nginx is setup, was running, they can configure fastcgi later
[23:02]	matey	theyre playing with server-side scripting for the first time ever
[23:03]	matey	its cool
[23:03]	matey	tor is a beautiful alternative to dns
[23:03]	matey	(it should be forked)
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[23:06]	matey	they have no control over the router but their website can be accessed from (nearly) anywhere on earth
[23:07]	matey	obviously port forwarding can do the same
[23:07]	matey	then you have to fiddle with certs
[23:08]	matey	replacing dns with tor wasnt even my idea, it was the chief... lol
[23:08]	matey	the avalanche has already started
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[23:13]	TR News	"Thieves? People are still thinking about thieves? I am. In 2008 I argued that if you wanted to be a thief, steal something. No extra class required." gemini://alexschroeder.ch/page/2022-04-29_Thieves
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[23:15]	TR News	"I've been doing a fairly reactive job for 8 years, same task, but different systems, different managers, evolving teams." gemini://midnight.pub/posts/911
[23:16]	SomeH4x0r	matey: barto appeared, I think he will come here in a few minutes
[23:16]	TR News	"There are 2405 capsules. We successfully connected recently to 1895 of them." gemini://gemini.bortzmeyer.org/software/lupa/stats.gmi
[23:18]	TR News	"My biggest criticism of the Linux community and especially Linux distributions is that we don't do a good job at educating our users. In fact, many Linux distros don't focus at all on educating their users." https://yewtu.be/watch?v=s0Ah0l9dmow
[23:18]	TR Bot	 Linux Distros Fail At Educating Their Users - Invidious
[23:18]		*psydruid would rather wait for steve barkto to appear
[23:19]	TR News	Gammath SPOT version 3.5 (beta) released on 27 April 2022 https://directory.fsf.org/wiki/Gammath_SPOT
[23:19]	TR Bot	 Gammath SPOT - Free Software Directory
[23:19]	TR News	Proprietary software does not respsect mute button https://wiscprivacy.com/publication/vca_mute/
[23:19]	TR Bot	 Are You Really Muted?: A Privacy Analysis of Mute Buttons in Video Conferencing Apps | Privacy and Security Research Group at University of Wisconsin - Madison
[23:20]	TR News	3-meter-long giant squid found stranded on Sea of Japan beach https://mainichi.jp/english/articles/20220420/p2a/00m/0li/022000c
[23:20]	TR Bot	 3-meter-long giant squid found stranded on Sea of Japan beach - The Mainichi
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[23:21]	barto	greetings everyone
[23:21]	SomeH4x0r	hi
[23:21]	jobs651	 hello SomeH4x0r
[23:21]	TR News	The solution is to stop using proprietary software. You will never know what it is really doing. https://thenextweb.com/news/muting-your-mic-doesnt-stop-big-tech-recording-your-audio
[23:21]		-jobs651/#techrights- CloudFlare: thenextweb.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://thenextweb.com/news/muting-your-mic-doesnt-stop-big-tech-recording-your-audio https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://thenextweb.com/news/muting-your-mic-doesnt-stop-big-tech-recording-your-audio
[23:21]	TR Bot	 Muting your mic reportedly doesnt stop big tech from recording your audio
[23:21]	schestowitz-TR	hi barto
[23:21]	SomeH4x0r	matey did talk ~ 15 minutes ago
[23:22]	TR News	xkcd: Bad Map Projection: Madagascator https://xkcd.com/2613/ Source: xkcd
[23:22]	TR Bot	Bad Map Projection: Madagascator
[23:22]		-jobs651/#techrights- CloudFlare: xkcd.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://xkcd.com/2613/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://xkcd.com/2613/
[23:24]	TR News	For the second day in a row linuxtoday helps Microsoft spread Linux FUD. It's about systemd. Not good, bad taste. https://www.linuxtoday.com/news/nimbuspwn-new-root-privilege-escalation-found-in-linux/
[23:24]		-jobs651/#techrights- CloudFlare: linuxtoday.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.linuxtoday.com/news/nimbuspwn-new-root-privilege-escalation-found-in-linux/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://www.linuxtoday.com/news/nimbuspwn-new-root-privilege-escalation-found-in-linux/
[23:24]	TR Bot	 Nimbuspwn: New Root Privilege Escalation Found in Linux | Linux Today
[23:25]	TR News	Full Circle Magazine: Full Circle Magazine #180 15th Anniversary issue! https://fullcirclemagazine.org/2022/04/29/full-circle-magazine-180-15th-anniversary-issue/
[23:25]		-jobs651/#techrights- CloudFlare: fullcirclemagazine.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://fullcirclemagazine.org/2022/04/29/full-circle-magazine-180-15th-anniversary-issue/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://fullcirclemagazine.org/2022/04/29/full-circle-magazine-180-15th-anniversary-issue/
[23:25]	TR Bot	 Full Circle Magazine #180 15th Anniversary issue! | Full Circle Magazine
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[23:29]	TR News	The title here contains a lie. Lying for MuskingTape https://yewtu.be/watch?v=wt0yXaEmuPo
[23:29]	TR Bot	 Elon to open source Twitter, PopOS 22.04, and Ubuntu says no to Flatpak - Linux and open source news - Invidious
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[23:33]	TR News	Marketing and openwashing spam dressed up as "research"; just like at Microsoft... https://www.linux.com/news/lf-research-one-year-recap-and-imagining-the-future/
[23:33]	TR Bot	Research: One Year Recap and Imagining the Future - Linux.com
[23:35]	TR News	The Best Cross-Platform LaTeX Editors Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/164305
[23:35]	TR Bot	 The Best Cross-Platform LaTeX Editors | Tux Machines
[23:36]	TR News	Steinar H. Gunderson: Should we stop teaching the normal distribution? http://blog.sesse.net/blog/tech/2022-04-29-19-59_should_we_stop_teaching_the_normal_distribution.html
[23:36]	TR Bot	 Steinar H. Gunderson
[23:37]	TR News	Canonical going 'all in' on gaming for Ubuntu, new Steam Snap package in testing | GamingOnLinux http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/164287#comment-33498
[23:37]	TR Bot	 Steam is Now on the Snap Store And You Can Help Test It | Tux Machines
[23:37]	SomeH4x0r	why would I want to help test it?
[23:37]	SomeH4x0r	Steam is evil. I would either warez or nothing.
[23:38]	TR News	'Linux' Foundation racking up more bribes from Microsoft, which attacks Linux https://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/the-open-3d-foundation-welcomes-microsoft-as-a-premier-member-to-advance-the-future-of-open-source-3d-development-301536018.html
[23:38]	TR Bot	 The Open 3D Foundation Welcomes Microsoft as a Premier Member to Advance the Future of Open Source 3D Development
[23:38]	psydruid	Canonical going 'all in' on technical and commercial suicide
[23:39]	schestowitz-TR	they saw that not many gamers use Ubuntu
[23:39]	schestowitz-TR	and panicked a bit
[23:39]	psydruid	and I think we can help them get there sooner
[23:39]	SomeH4x0r	barto wants to make a switch to GNU/Linux and some people were suggesting Linux Mint. Is it evil?
[23:39]	schestowitz-TR	people spoke about how valve stats showed gnu/linux users were moving to other distros
[23:39]	schestowitz-TR	maybe this is their face-saving response
[23:40]	schestowitz-TR	SomeH4x0r: go for LMDE
[23:40]	schestowitz-TR	It's based on Deian
[23:40]	schestowitz-TR	I tried it a month ago, it's good
[23:40]	psydruid	I hope it blows up in their faces
[23:40]	schestowitz-TR	eventually I reckon LMDE will become default Mint
[23:40]	schestowitz-TR	maybe based on Devuan also
[23:40]	schestowitz-TR	the D in the acronym
[23:40]	schestowitz-TR	Mint is already upset about Ubuntu pushing snaps
[23:41]	schestowitz-TR	and goes out of its way to BLOCK snaps
[23:41]	psydruid	Ubuntu is too much of a hassle to keep running, so it's legacy for me
[23:41]	schestowitz-TR	look at #boycottnovell
[23:41]	schestowitz-TR	we reckon Ubuntu will be gone in a few years
[23:41]	psydruid	and over time all installs for relatives will disappear
[23:41]	bnchs	ubuntu release party
[23:41]	schestowitz-TR	MS (Mark Shuttleworth) is looking exit plans
[23:41]	bnchs	quick quick everyone ubuntu got another useless major version again
[23:41]	bnchs	dying distro
[23:41]	psydruid	Ubuntu release from existence party
[23:41]	schestowitz-TR	so it's not run out of his own pocket
[23:41]	schestowitz-TR	but shareholders
[23:43]	psydruid	I had technical grounds for dismissing it
[23:43]	psydruid	not only the snaps thing
[23:43]	psydruid	but it became buggier than debian itself
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[23:43]	psydruid	at which point I was like "why bother"
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[23:44]	psydruid	gulag also switched to debian around that time
[23:44]	psydruid	so the writing was on the wall
[23:44]	bnchs	flatpak/snap
[23:44]	bnchs	systemd
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[23:45]	SomeH4x0r	hi
[23:45]	psydruid	debian is the final frontier for abandoning gnu/linux for me
[23:46]	bnchs	wtf is this guy
[23:46]	SomeH4x0r	there is no hope in computing future
[23:46]	bnchs	jobs651/bob378/arch38
[23:46]	arch38	https://framagit.org/dCF/deCloudflare/-/issues/56
[23:46]	TR Bot	 jobs651/bob378/ (#56) Issues Crimeflare / deCloudflare GitLab
[23:46]	SomeH4x0r	fuck GitLab
[23:46]	psydruid	I don't want to bother with any other gnu/linux distro
[23:46]	bnchs	oh my god
[23:46]	psydruid	lol
[23:46]	SomeH4x0r	you are on th evil side
[23:46]	SomeH4x0r	there is no hope
[23:47]	psydruid	the evil bots are out to get us and record anything we write
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[23:48]	bnchs	titan1 a
[23:48]	titan1	 bnchs, Please read http://about-altlink.go.crimeflare.eu.org
[23:48]	TR Bot	 subfiles/service.altlink.md master Crimeflare / deCloudflare GitLab
[23:48]	bnchs	sure i'll READ
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[23:50]	bnchs	ada5 a
[23:50]	ada5	 bnchs, Please read http://about-altlink.go.crimeflare.eu.org
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[23:50]	bnchs	look if you're gonna keep shuffling names, at least change your IP
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[23:53]	matey	SomeH4x0r   there is no hope in computing future <- even i wouldnt go that far
[23:54]	TR News	"Slower pace of validation? Looks like Valve is trying to prove us wrong as they have just added close to 100 games in a matter of days after the 2300 games milestone on the Steam Deck. There are now more than 2400 games (2406 at the time of writing) working on the Steam Deck in two categories as usual" https://boilingsteam.com/2400-games-on-the-steam-deck-just-days-after-the-2300-games-milestone/
[23:54]	matey	SomeH4x0r   matey: barto appeared, I think he will come here in a few minutes <- his bad timing is world class
[23:54]	TR Bot	 2400 Games On The Steam Deck, Just Days after the 2300 Games Milestone - Boiling Steam
[23:54]	matey	i wasnt avoiding him, i was afk
[23:54]	TR News	Twitter buyout puts Mastodon into spotlight Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/164306
[23:54]	matey	/me swears its a front
[23:54]	TR Bot	 Twitter buyout puts Mastodon into spotlight | Tux Machines
[23:55]	matey	psydruid   Canonical going 'all in' on technical and commercial suicide <- i wont miss them
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[23:55]	matey	SomeH4x0r   barto wants to make a switch to GNU/Linux and some people were suggesting Linux Mint. Is it evil? <- no its just shit. BUT...
[23:55]	systemd	hi
[23:55]	ada5	 Hi systemd
[23:55]	SomeH4x0r	hi
[23:55]		*systemd is now known as systemx
[23:55]	systemx	hi
[23:56]	matey	even linux mint is better than windows. just not very much.
[23:56]	matey	schestowitz-TR   SomeH4x0r: go for LMDE   It's based on Deian   I tried it a month ago, it's good
[23:56]	matey	
[23:56]	matey	yes, debian!
[23:56]	matey	its a big pile of shit
[23:57]	matey	debibm, youre going to love it. its the final solution to debian.
[23:57]	TR News	Linux Foundation Takes More Microsoft Money and Does Openwashing Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/164307
[23:57]	TR Bot	 Linux Foundation Takes More Microsoft Money and Does Openwashing | Tux Machines
[23:57]	TR News	Videos: Distros, Valve, and More Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/164308
[23:57]	TR Bot	 Videos: Distros, Valve, and More | Tux Machines
[23:57]	matey	an after you run the installer, and its added non-free shit
[23:57]	matey	unlike before ,you know
[23:58]	matey	then reboot, like windows, so you can mount vfat :)
[23:58]	matey	https://yewtu.be/watch?v=VpvyG2NrS1Y
[23:58]	TR Bot	 Fat Joe - What's Luv? ft. Ashanti (Official Music Video) - Invidious
[23:59]	matey	it should be about us, it should be about trust, babe
[23:59]	TR News	Problems for the Linux kernel NTFS driver as author goes silent http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/164224#comment-33499
[23:59]	TR Bot	 The Future of the NTFS Linux Driver as Part of the Kernel Is in Question | Tux Machines
[23:59]	matey	i was helping out this guy 
[23:59]	matey	computer shop owner