●● IRC: #techrights @ FreeNode: Saturday, May 29, 2021 ●● ● May 29 [00:00] psydroid and now Matrix does it better than Discord as you can have all kinds of Spaces [00:00] tuks matrix is doing lots of things right [00:00] psydroid public, private and nested spaces [00:00] alextee[m] nested? wow [00:01] psydroid yes, if I correctly understood what was said in the FOSDEM presentation [00:02] psydroid https://fosdem.org/2021/schedule/event/matrix_communities/ [00:02] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-fosdem.org | FOSDEM 2021 - Building massive virtual communities in Matrix [00:05] tuks sometimes fragmentation is an issue. good thing is that xmpp, telegram, discord, irc, etc. can be all bridged to a matrix channel [00:05] *alextee[m] uploaded an image: (369KiB) < https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/r0/download/matrix.org/IVtEZkFgMzOfUhEmZtVWeKSF/Screenshot%20from%202021-05-29%2000-05-34.png > [00:06] schestowitz [23:58] there is a new fancy feature on matrix called spaces. it's a collection of rooms basically [00:06] schestowitz I don't mean to sound rude or harsh, but now when I hear "spaces" I walk away [00:06] schestowitz but the association and connotation would be enough to put me off [00:07] BaronVladimirHar And in the corner is Matthew, one of the SJWs who has banned everyone except most of the perverts and the Chromebook kids from Matrix. [00:07] schestowitz when they canceled RMS or tried to in 2018 they used the term "safe space" [00:07] tuks ok, I see [00:07] schestowitz by which they implied that talking to a speaker to correct a speaker was an "unsafe" invasion to a space [00:07] schestowitz which is craaazy [00:07] schestowitz that's about dialogue style [00:08] alextee[m] well software is software [00:08] schestowitz BaronVladimirHar: watch this: [00:08] schestowitz [07:00] NEWS #Bloomberg #Google Women Suing Over Gender Bias Win #ClassAction Status https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-05-27/google-women-suing-over-gender-bias-win-class-action-status mjg59 lecturing the #freesw community on these issues while taking salaries from the WORST culprits! http://techrights.org/2021/03/05/google-funded-trolls/ [00:08] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Bloomberg - Are you a robot? [00:08] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Professional Troll Matthew Garrett Spreads Libel, Defamation and Slander About the Free Software Community to Entertain Microsoft and Friends | Techrights [00:08] alextee[m] as long as it's free doesnt matter who makes it [00:08] schestowitz [07:00] NEWS #TheVerge #Google is now embroiled in a full class-action lawsuit over whether it underpaid women https://www.theverge.com/2021/5/27/22457421/lawsuit-former-google-women-class-action-gender-bias-pay-disparity maybe Google trolls just try to distract from themselves! http://techrights.org/2021/03/05/google-funded-trolls/ [00:08] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theverge.com | Google is now embroiled in a full class-action lawsuit over whether it underpaid women - The Verge [00:08] schestowitz mjg59: go set up a "cancel Google" petition in GitHub [00:08] schestowitz go after the big ones [00:09] schestowitz not inidividuals [00:09] schestowitz (in GitHub :sniggers:) [00:09] stormchaser3000 interrupting a speaker is one thing, but privately correcting a speaker (or even publicly during a Q&A session) should be fine in most circumstances as far as I am concerned [00:10] schestowitz esp. from movement founder [00:10] schestowitz they talk about things associated with what he created when they were just born [00:11] alextee[m] just noticed he uses mac in the presentation lol [00:12] stormchaser3000 unfortunately, most "Linux" foundation or related people use macbooks for their daily work [00:12] stormchaser3000 even Jim Zemlin [00:12] stormchaser3000 (I probably spelled his name wrong) [00:12] MinceR apparently it is still possible to type up letters to cancel people on a crapBook [00:12] MinceR maybe the cupertino mafia will fix that in the next release [00:13] stormchaser3000 with how bad the keyboards have been in the past few iterations of the macbook air and pro?? how is that even possible [00:13] MinceR https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9BnLbv6QYcA [00:13] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Apple Introduces Revolutionary New Laptop With No Keyboard - YouTube [00:13] psydroid an iCrap? [00:14] alextee[m] a year or 2 ago I was really surprised that in the opening talk of FOSDEM (I think?) they were saying that it's ok to use macs and non-free software because it's more convenient sometimes or something [00:14] alextee[m] and "you don't have to be purists" [00:14] alextee[m] I think it was people from the free software conservancy doing that opening talk [00:15] alextee[m] imagine an opening talk at a free software conference being about using proprietary software for convenience [00:15] psydroid I remember that, even though I didn't attend that talk [00:16] psydroid it takes a few hours for me to arrive in Brussels so I usually missed the early morning talks [00:16] alextee[m] I was watching it online [00:17] psydroid last year I didn't attend and this year they were all broadcast from people's bedrooms [00:19] schestowitz [00:13] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9BnLbv6QYcA [00:19] schestowitz LOL, classic [00:19] schestowitz next: cancel the mouse [00:19] schestowitz Onion did that [00:20] schestowitz it works on telepathy and siri [00:20] schestowitz siri, yes, siti [00:20] schestowitz *siri [00:20] *stormchaser3000 has quit (Quit: Leaving) [00:21] schestowitz does karen sandler (sfc chief) use gnu linux? [00:21] alextee[m] this is appropriate here I guess https://github.com/iTODDLERS-BTFO/iToddlers-BTFO [00:21] schestowitz I didn't see what device she uses for her talk [00:21] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-GitHub - iTODDLERS-BTFO/iToddlers-BTFO: iToddlers BTFO [00:22] schestowitz but it would be funny if she moaned about proprietary pacemaker while using something not bsd or gnu [00:22] schestowitz speaking of fosdem and sfc [00:22] schestowitz http://techrights.org/2020/12/04/sfc-not-about-freedom/ [00:22] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Software Freedom Conservancy (SFC) is Not About Freedom | Techrights [00:22] schestowitz tl;dr: they censor IBM critics [00:22] schestowitz maybe someone should tell Brad and Karen about Dehomog [00:23] schestowitz as they have some Jewish ancestry [00:23] schestowitz http://techrights.org/2021/02/08/fosdem-ibm-gag/ [00:23] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | FOSDEM and Free Speech: Will It Blend? | Techrights [00:24] schestowitz IRC: SFC threatens to ban people for pointing out IBM does bad things [00:24] schestowitz not kidding [00:24] schestowitz http://techrights.org/2021/01/04/fosdem-us/ [00:24] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | FOSDEM or FOSDEMerica? | Techrights [00:24] schestowitz SFC: European when it suits them [00:24] schestowitz I never attended FOSDEM [00:24] schestowitz their money from Microsoft and other past things (worse than Novell) were deal breakers [00:25] schestowitz I think last year they were careful NOT to accept Google $ [00:25] psydroid Dehomag always makes me think of Cro-Mag [00:26] MinceR lol @ iToddlers BTFO [00:26] MinceR psydroid: kromagg? [00:27] psydroid I realised it when I talked to people at the stands, Google was trying to claim souls for itself [00:27] psydroid I just grabbed the free stuff and left [00:28] psydroid MinceR, I'd never heard of them before [00:30] MinceR aliens that had a big part on Sliders jumping the shark [00:31] *techrights-ipfs (~techright@2a00:23c4:c3aa:7d01:c7f2:e919:b6dc:6252) has joined #techrights [00:31] techrights-ipfs IPFS downstream, 60 mins: avg(k/sec) 20.51 IPFS upstream: avg(k/sec) 18.45 swarm size (avg): 232.85 [00:31] MinceR s/on/in/ [00:32] schestowitz sliders, lol [00:32] schestowitz let's go back to mechanics [00:32] schestowitz and phone dials you use with a rotor [00:33] schestowitz iRetro [00:33] schestowitz I finish work in a bit [00:33] schestowitz then I will start posting again [00:34] BaronVladimirHar The show was completely plagiarized. Only thinly veiled. [00:34] MinceR from where? [00:34] BaronVladimirHar Some of the episodes were okay though. [00:35] BaronVladimirHar I was fond of the one where they had a death lottery and forced people to keep the population low. [00:35] BaronVladimirHar The first thing they noticed was how clean everything was, how low the crime rate was, and how the place was 60 years behind Earth Prime on inflation. [00:36] BaronVladimirHar 1950s world was pretty stupid though. [00:36] BaronVladimirHar The Bureau of Anti-Technology keeping things at the same level as the 50s artificially? [00:38] BaronVladimirHar That would cause a disaster. For starters, the Hubbert Curve predicted that 1974 to 1995 would be peak oil, but that got pushed back due to new production techniques and fuel economy. [00:38] MinceR :> [00:38] BaronVladimirHar But in 50s World, there's no indication that the 6 mpg monsters ever went away, even though there was no law keeping the population in check. [00:39] BaronVladimirHar Soviet World might be good for XRevan86. [00:39] BaronVladimirHar Depending on who he knows, he might even have a cushy job at PT&T. [00:39] BaronVladimirHar (People's Telephone & Telegraph) [00:41] BaronVladimirHar Colonel Rickman was where they jumped the shark, MinceR. [00:42] XRevan86 BaronVladimirHar: Ye mean the Ministry of Communications of the USSR? [00:42] BaronVladimirHar I mean, I think it was literally the next episode that was an Island of Dr. Moreau ripoff. [00:42] XRevan86 Oh, it used to be called the People's Commissariat for Posts and Telegraphs of the USSR [00:43] BaronVladimirHar Has anyone ever told you that you suck at naming things? [00:43] BaronVladimirHar It's always way too wordy. [00:43] schestowitz those are translations [00:44] schestowitz even if "official" [00:44] schestowitz US renamed Dept. of War [00:44] MinceR :) [00:44] schestowitz not it's "Defence" [00:44] schestowitz like IDF [00:44] XRevan86 aronVladimirHar: Narkompochtel [00:44] MinceR Ministry of Truth [00:44] MinceR Ministry of Love [00:44] schestowitz We have MoD [00:44] BaronVladimirHar We don't have wars anymore. [00:44] BaronVladimirHar We have defense. [00:44] schestowitz Ministry of Defence [00:44] MinceR Ministry of Plenty [00:44] schestowitz they do nukes [00:44] schestowitz because nukes are defensive [00:44] schestowitz you fire a nuke at the rocket [00:45] XRevan86 And in between it was the People's Commissariat for Communications (Narkomsvyaz') [00:45] MinceR Ministry of Peace [00:45] schestowitz I love peas [00:45] schestowitz had some for lunch today [00:45] schestowitz rianne_ cooked [00:45] XRevan86 or NKS USSR [00:46] schestowitz USS Russia [00:46] schestowitz the next aircraft carrier [00:46] schestowitz to be based near the north pole [00:46] XRevan86 BaronVladimirHar: Ye do realise that things like Foreign Claims Settlement Commission of the US are just as wordy? [00:47] schestowitz UNESCO [00:48] XRevan86 If an ancronym has two syllables, ye know it has to be good. [00:48] XRevan86 acronym [00:48] MinceR unesco has three :> [00:48] XRevan86 Oh, right, three :) [00:49] *KindOne has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) [00:50] *KindOne (kindone@h161.135.16.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net) has joined #techrights [00:52] schestowitz XRevan86: the names matter less [00:52] schestowitz except for humour's purpose [00:52] schestowitz many things are named for PR reasons [00:52] schestowitz or perception management [00:52] schestowitz it's what they actually do that counts [00:52] schestowitz OSI is acting like a hate grou [00:52] schestowitz as if the initiative is not "let's destory Free software" [00:52] schestowitz maybe they forgot it's proprietary software they were meant to replace [00:53] schestowitz instead they help outsourcing to MS GitHub [00:53] schestowitz maybe we should make up a new name for OSI [00:53] schestowitz or new acronym expansion for fun [00:53] schestowitz OpenwaShIng [00:54] schestowitz Outsourcing ShitHub Integration [00:56] psydroid Outreachy Student Institute [00:57] schestowitz just moments ago: [00:57] schestowitz Bully de Blanc: Friends of GNOME Update May 2021 [00:57] schestowitz ttps://blogs.gnome.org/engagement/2021/05/28/friends-of-gnome-update-may-2021/ [00:57] schestowitz there is a part there about Outreachy [00:57] schestowitz Reaching out to monopolies for money [00:57] schestowitz and strings [00:59] techrights-bot #GodotEngine https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2021/05/the-visually-striking-action-adventure-resolutiion-gets-another-big-upgrade [00:59] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-The visually striking action-adventure Resolutiion gets another big upgrade | GamingOnLinux ● May 29 [01:00] techrights-bot #japan https://hugelolcdn.com/i/746878.jpg [01:00] techrights-bot #openSUSE Tumbleweed Review of the week 2021/21 http://dominique.leuenberger.net/blog/2021/05/opensuse-tumbleweed-review-of-the-week-2021-21/ [01:00] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-dominique.leuenberger.net | openSUSE Tumbleweed Review of the week 2021/21 Dominique a.k.a. DimStar (Dim*) [01:01] techrights-bot Firefox to adopt Chrome's new approach to extensions sans the part that threatens ad blockers https://www.theregister.com/2021/05/28/mozilla_chrome_mozilla/ [01:01] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theregister.com | Firefox to adopt Chrome's new approach to extensions sans the part that threatens ad blockers The Register [01:01] *g (~g@2603-8000-b440-c812-0000-0000-0000-0c6a.res6.spectrum.com) has joined #techrights [01:01] *g is now known as Guest31847 [01:01] *Guest31847 (~g@2603-8000-b440-c812-0000-0000-0000-0c6a.res6.spectrum.com) has left #techrights [01:02] techrights-bot Mike Taylor: The hidden meaning of 537.36 in the Chromium User-Agent string https://miketaylr.com/posts/2021/05/webkit-537-36-meaning.html [01:02] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-miketaylr.com | The hidden meaning of 537.36 in the Chromium User-Agent string [01:04] techrights-bot #Mozilla and #Firefox Latest http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/151714 #www [01:04] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Mozilla and Firefox Latest | Tux Machines [01:05] techrights-bot Todays #HowTos | #UNIX http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/151713 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [01:05] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's howtos | Tux Machines [01:05] BaronVladimirHar schestowitz: Brave made some improvements to the ad blocker recently. [01:05] techrights-bot Why Use #GeminiProtocol (Plus a #Techrights Mention) http://techrights.org/2021/05/28/dt-gemini/ #internet #GeminiSpace [01:05] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Why Use Gemini (Plus a Techrights Mention) | Techrights [01:06] BaronVladimirHar It supports the csp rules in filters like EasyList now. [01:06] schestowitz what are those csp rules? [01:06] schestowitz use rss and gemini [01:06] schestowitz it would mostly make ads go away [01:06] schestowitz uorigin in firefox can also help a bit [01:07] techrights-bot 7 of the Best Add-ons for #Firefox on #Android https://www.maketecheasier.com/best-firefox-add-ons-for-android/ [01:07] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.maketecheasier.com | 7 of the Best Add-ons for Firefox on Android - Make Tech Easier [01:07] techrights-bot Peace of mind browser add-ons for #Firefox https://blog.mozilla.org/en/products/firefox/extensions-addons/peace-of-mind-browser-add-ons-for-firefox/ #mozilla #www [01:07] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blog.mozilla.org | Peace of mind browser add-ons for Firefox [01:07] techrights-bot Vegetarian loves meat https://twitter.com/stautistic/status/1398182157198118912?s=21 [01:07] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@stautistic: Microsoft stans will dead ass tell you that Microsoft loves open source! while all of their software is still proprietary [01:09] techrights-bot THIS (new): "The problem is most people are trying to use blockchain when a regular database would work just as well. There's very few good business cases for a true blockchain solution, although the ones that are good, are really good. Everyone (not just IBM) has bet way too much on blockchain without enough understanding of what it can be used for." https://www.thelayoff.com/t/1b49iXRX#replies [01:09] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.thelayoff.com | The exodus continues - post regarding IBM layoffs [01:09] techrights-bot (new) #ibm Unpaid Leave https://www.thelayoff.com/t/1b4km7eR#replies [01:09] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.thelayoff.com | Unpaid Leave - post regarding IBM layoffs [01:10] techrights-bot Checking out #Kubuntu 21.04: Full Review https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=94Hw7tVbhEk #kde #gnu #linux [01:10] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Checking out Kubuntu 21.04: Full Review - YouTube [01:10] techrights-bot #Virtuozzo s #VzLinux 8 Released, Positioned as a #CentOS 8 Replacement https://linuxiac.com/vzlinux-8-centos-8-replacement/ #ibm doesn't 'get' how #gpl works, does it? So instead it attacks the GPL now (RMS, FSF etc.) [01:10] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linuxiac.com | Virtuozzos VzLinux 8 Released, Positioned as a CentOS 8 Replacement [01:10] techrights-bot #redhat is still #openwashing itself, hoping you won't notice that that company is controlled by #ibm tyrants https://www.redhat.com/en/blog/guidebook-open-source-community-management-open-source-way-20 [01:10] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.redhat.com | Guidebook for open source community management: The Open Source Way 2.0 [01:11] BaronVladimirHar https://github.com/gorhill/uBlock/wiki/Static-filter-syntax#csp [01:11] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Static filter syntax gorhill/uBlock Wiki GitHub [01:11] schestowitz they use Microsoft? [01:12] BaronVladimirHar https://kb.adguard.com/en/general/how-to-create-your-own-ad-filters#csp-modifier [01:12] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-kb.adguard.com | How to create your own ad filters | AdGuard Knowledgebase [01:12] schestowitz maybe they will get blocked one day [01:12] BaronVladimirHar Hah [01:12] schestowitz Microsoft will say ad-blocking is "dangerous" or "illegal" or something [01:12] schestowitz like reverse-engineering [01:12] BaronVladimirHar Good thing Brave Adblock is in the browser. [01:12] schestowitz isn't brave in shithub? [01:12] BaronVladimirHar Of course, Brave uses GitHub too. [01:12] schestowitz maybe was [01:12] schestowitz ah, still [01:12] schestowitz lol [01:12] schestowitz shite [01:12] schestowitz also based on OSPS [01:13] schestowitz chrom'ium' [01:13] schestowitz that does not help tackle the biggest issues [01:13] schestowitz I am going to work on our gemini capsule in a moment [01:13] schestowitz we need to put more labour into that... [01:13] techrights-bot Not much happening in #fedora 'community' anymore (as #ibm destroyed the credibility of claims that it's community) https://communityblog.fedoraproject.org/fridays-fedora-facts-2021-21/ [01:13] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-communityblog.fedoraproject.org | Friday's Fedora Facts: 2021-21 Fedora Community Blog [01:14] techrights-bot (new) People who are collecting badges https://www.thelayoff.com/t/1b4id1cb#replies wrong goals, wrong approach. Goalposts move. [01:14] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.thelayoff.com | People who are collecting badges - post regarding IBM layoffs [01:14] *stormchaser3000 (~stormchas@unaffiliated/stormchaser3000) has joined #techrights [01:14] BaronVladimirHar MinceR: WGN Chicago reported on Amazon buying MGM and acquiring some things, but I said "You forgot Stargate." and included the GIF of Teal'c chugging coffee. O'Neill: "Isn't that hot?" Teal'c: "Extremely.". [01:14] techrights-bot (new) "We know #IBM is restructuring and they've set money aside for it. But when are the layoffs going to happen?" https://www.thelayoff.com/t/1aWJp96w#replies maybe they changed the date to discredit the rumours (happens sometimes) [01:14] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.thelayoff.com | So what's going on? - post regarding IBM layoffs [01:15] schestowitz MGM is cheap now [01:15] schestowitz that industry is collapsing [01:15] BaronVladimirHar Urgo didn't really want to hurt anyone, so he had Teal'c do it. [01:15] schestowitz it was always a bubble [01:15] BaronVladimirHar He's a Jaffa so if he burned his mouth, the Goa'uld would heal it quickly. [01:15] techrights-bot (new) "It might be 6 figures if you count those after the decimal point! I've been getting 21K/yr for the past 25 years (which is more than my cumulative salary for the years I worked there)!" #ibm #pension https://www.thelayoff.com/t/1aY56fW7#replies [01:15] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.thelayoff.com | IBM Pension - post regarding IBM layoffs [01:15] schestowitz US is like collapsing Soviet Union. USSA now... [01:16] schestowitz the oligarchs buying off everything on the cheap [01:16] schestowitz iirc, bezos turns malls and stuff into warehouses [01:16] BaronVladimirHar MGM has been around for like forever. [01:16] BaronVladimirHar Massive back catalog. [01:16] schestowitz because who needs shops anyway.. [01:16] schestowitz BaronVladimirHar: well, the roaring tiger is toothless now [01:16] techrights-ipfs IPFS downstream, 60 mins: avg(k/sec) 23.56 IPFS upstream: avg(k/sec) 6.00 swarm size (avg): 232.92 [01:17] schestowitz the ugly guy doesn't know what to do with his money [01:17] schestowitz [10:30] NEWS #TruthOut #theft #grifting #bezos #Sanders Says No Way to $10 Billion Taxpayer Handout to Bezos' Space Company https://truthout.org/articles/sanders-says-no-way-to-10-billion-taxpayer-handout-to-bezos-space-company/ [01:17] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-truthout.org | Sanders Says No Way to $10 Billion Taxpayer Handout to Bezos' Space Company [01:17] schestowitz [12:50] NEWS #CommonDreams #grifting #militarism 'Appalling': #Biden State Department Quietly Grants #Boeing an Export License for $735 Million Bomb Sale to Israel https://www.commondreams.org/news/2021/05/26/appalling-biden-state-department-quietly-grants-boeing-export-license-735-million [01:17] schestowitz USSA [01:17] schestowitz Like i said.... [01:17] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.commondreams.org | 'Appalling': Biden State Department Quietly Grants Boeing an Export License for $735 Million Bomb Sale to Israel | Common Dreams News [01:18] techrights-bot More road #surveillance sold as a 'features' (whose?) https://www.iottechtrends.com/smart-traffic-lights-make-roads-responsive/ [01:18] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.iottechtrends.com | Smart Traffic Lights Make the Roads Responsive to User Needs - IoT Tech Trends [01:18] BaronVladimirHar I don't know why anyone cares about "Palestinians". [01:18] BaronVladimirHar Go over there and ask how they feel about gays, transsexuals, and women. [01:18] MinceR BaronVladimirHar: :) [01:18] schestowitz THERE IS reason to care [01:18] schestowitz but some media treats only that area like it matters [01:19] schestowitz ignoring myanmar, colombia etc. [01:19] schestowitz as if Israel as another Russia [01:19] BaronVladimirHar They elect Hamas, Hamas launches rockets and hides behind women and children. [01:20] schestowitz even after ceasefire [01:20] BaronVladimirHar The cycle goes on. So many people on "the left" are so stupid that they don't see exactly what's happening here. [01:20] schestowitz news is slow, so... [01:20] schestowitz I wrote a ton about it when tit-for-tat starte [01:20] schestowitz then it just felt like hate campaign on both sides and I lost interest [01:20] schestowitz If Russia bombed Georgia like this, the media would barely care [01:20] BaronVladimirHar That's exactly what it is. [01:21] BaronVladimirHar The US gives Israel money, Israel buys weapons from us. Military Keynesians and we let Israel take all the blame for killing Arabs. [01:21] techrights-bot 6,000 GPUs: Perlmutter to Deliver 4 #Exaflops http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/151686#comment-29784 [01:21] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | AMD Preparing More Linux Code For The Frontier Supercomputer | Tux Machines [01:21] techrights-bot A new video that explains the use of #GeminiProtocol (and #Techrights mentioned towards the end) http://techrights.org/2021/05/28/dt-gemini/ #internet [01:21] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Why Use Gemini (Plus a Techrights Mention) | Techrights [01:21] techrights-bot #qytdl #Qt frontend for #YoutubeDL http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/151715 #GNU #Linux [01:21] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | qytdl Qt frontend for Youtube-DL | Tux Machines [01:22] BaronVladimirHar There's a lot of reporting about the exchanges but not the fact that the US gives Israel all of the weapons and bombs. [01:22] schestowitz Israel makes some of its own too [01:22] schestowitz it's a war country [01:22] schestowitz 'security' [01:22] BaronVladimirHar The Iron Dome system keeps them almost 100% safe from those rockets, no matter how many get fired, and then they retaliate and there's really nothing protecting the Palestinian side, but Hamas doesn't care. [01:23] BaronVladimirHar If it did care about those people that elected it, it would stop the rocket attacks and maybe let them get some sort of sympathy. [01:23] schestowitz anyway, back on topic... [01:23] schestowitz this is -social channel stuff [01:23] BaronVladimirHar The technology keeps it totally lopsided. [01:24] *saint_dogbert (~phobos@unaffiliated/phobos-anomaly/x-6744724) has joined #techrights [01:24] BaronVladimirHar The Palestinians kill like 6 or 7 Israelis, the Israelis kill about 2,000-3,000 in return. [01:24] scientes XRevan86, my home town would have occasional chlorine gas leaks from the pump plant [01:24] BaronVladimirHar It's not like Hamas could keep waging a military campaign and accepting losses at that ratio. [01:24] techrights-bot Overinflating severity and risk. You need to install malware or be compromised already. https://thehackernews.com/2021/05/researchers-warn-of-facefish-backdoor.html [01:25] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-thehackernews.com | Researchers Warn of Facefish Backdoor Spreading Linux Rootkits [01:25] BaronVladimirHar It's terrorism, and it's not working. [01:26] scientes *pulp [01:26] techrights-bot If it is malware, who cares about performance? https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Chrome-91-Benchmarks [01:26] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Chrome 91 Benchmarks On Linux Showing Off Even Better Performance - Phoronix [01:27] techrights-bot Raphal Hertzog: Freexians report about Debian Long Term Support, April 2021 https://raphaelhertzog.com/2021/05/28/freexians-report-about-debian-long-term-support-april-2021/ #freexian #debian #gnu #linux #security [01:27] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-raphaelhertzog.com | Freexians report about Debian Long Term Support, April 2021 [01:29] *stormchaser3000 has quit (Quit: Leaving) [01:31] *mmu_man has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) [01:33] *rasengan has quit (Quit: The Lounge - https://thelounge.chat) [01:35] techrights-bot #OpenZFS 2.1-rc6 Released - Will Now Scale Worker Threads With CPU Core Count - Phoronix https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=OpenZFS-2.1-rc6-Released #Phoronix #Kernel #Linux #deletegithub [01:35] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-OpenZFS 2.1-rc6 Released - Will Now Scale Worker Threads With CPU Core Count - Phoronix [01:35] *rasengan (~rasengan@freenode/staff/rasengan) has joined #techrights [01:36] techrights-bot AMD Ryzen 5 5500U - #vista10 vs. #Ubuntu 21.04 #GNU #Linux Benchmarks https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=5500u-windows10-ubuntu&num=1 [01:36] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-AMD Ryzen 5 5500U - Windows 10 vs. Ubuntu 21.04 Linux Benchmarks Review - Phoronix [01:36] *tuks has quit (Quit: Connection closed) [01:38] techrights-bot "Core #libcurl functionality can be powered by optional and alternative backends in a way that doesnt change the API or directly affect the application." https://daniel.haxx.se/blog/2021/05/28/taking-hyper-curl-further/ #curl #deletegithub [01:38] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Taking hyper-curl further | daniel.haxx.se [01:42] techrights-bot "The #Librem14 packs all the power and software needed to create professional videos." https://puri.sm/posts/quick-intro-to-video-editing-with-the-librem-14/ #pureos #debian #gnu #linux [01:42] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-puri.sm | Quick Intro to Video Editing with the Librem 14 Purism [01:43] techrights-bot Which Is the Best #GNULinux OS: #Fedora or Ubuntu? http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/151716 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [01:43] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Which Is the Best Linux OS: Fedora or Ubuntu? | Tux Machines [01:43] *saint_dogbert has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) [01:43] *saint_dogbert (~phobos@unaffiliated/phobos-anomaly/x-6744724) has joined #techrights [01:44] techrights-bot Full Circle Magazine #169 https://fullcirclemagazine.org/2021/05/28/full-circle-magazine-169/ #ubuntu #gnu #linux [01:44] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-fullcirclemagazine.org | Full Circle Magazine #169 | Full Circle Magazine [01:44] techrights-bot Launchpad News: Comment editing is now possible https://blog.launchpad.net/general/comment-editing-is-now-possible so they are already ahead of Twitter ^_^ [01:44] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blog.launchpad.net | Launchpad Blog [01:46] techrights-bot This project needs to #deletegithub http://ifdeflinux.blogspot.com/2021/05/rout-is-out.html http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/Delete_Github [01:46] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ifdeflinux.blogspot.com | rout is out [01:46] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Delete Github - Techrights [01:47] techrights-bot #RaspberryPi OS 2021-05-28 is out. Have they delinked it from the #microsoft #malware (which gave Microsoft root access to the whole OS)? https://www.raspberrypi.org/ [01:47] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.raspberrypi.org | Teach, Learn, and Make with Raspberry Pi [01:48] *saint_dogbert has quit (Ping timeout: 258 seconds) [01:49] *phobos has quit (Ping timeout: 258 seconds) [01:49] techrights-bot "The #Kdenlive Cafs will be on the second Tuesday of every month always starting at 9PM (Paris time). So the June Caf will be on the 8th." https://kdenlive.org/en/2021/05/next-cafe-and-upcoming-events/ #kde #freesw #gnu #linux [01:49] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-kdenlive.org | Next Caf and upcoming events | Kdenlive [01:53] schestowitz http://ipkitten.blogspot.com/2021/05/breaking-oral-proceedings-in-g121-vico.html?showComment=1622221611457#c4026429174281436652 [01:53] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ipkitten.blogspot.com | BREAKING: Oral proceedings in G1/21 (ViCo) rescheduled due to procedural technicality - The IPKat [01:53] schestowitz "In my mind, it also marks the end of the days where rules had to be obeyed (at least for the EBoA). The EBoA discussed and refused request 1 (postponement of the Oral Proceedings) in non-public consultations only with the Appellant when there was no justification to exclude the public on this point, and granted request 2 (Oral Proceedings to discuss Art. 24 EPC) without obeying Rule 115 EPC. And what about the approach that serving [01:53] schestowitz documents to parties and clause 2 of Art. 9 RPEBOA are not so important? Only in the last moment the EBoA "gracefully" granted (less than) one month for the Appellant to submit his observations. Surely, Art. 10 RPEBOA provides that third parties' observations (and amicus curiae submissions) "may be dealt with as the Board thinks fit". This Board obviously thinks it fit to put them on an USB stick and then directly throw them in the bin [01:53] schestowitz Which patent attorney right in his mind would put in his or her computer an USB stick that had been sent to him by mail? I hope none." [01:54] techrights-bot This new comment is gold. #epo killed its tribunals. Nobody will take them seriously anymore. The EPO needs to be scrapped and redone at this stage. Mission failed, regime killed any remnants of legality. Start again. http://ipkitten.blogspot.com/2021/05/breaking-oral-proceedings-in-g121-vico.html?showComment=1622221611457#c4026429174281436652 [01:55] techrights-bot We should all be thankful to #Texas for showing what a farce the US #patent system has become, including the courts (when Texan judges refuse to obey the law) https://patentlyo.com/patent/2021/05/escape-western-district.html [01:55] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-patentlyo.com | No Escape from the Western District of Texas | Patently-O [01:57] techrights-bot Video about #patentTrolls with #ibm #microsoft et al proxies in there (e.g. #LOTNetwork -- a #swpats booster) https://www.unifiedpatents.com/insights/2021/5/28/webinar-materials-how-times-have-changed-adaptations-in-npe-litigations http://techrights.org/2018/10/10/lotnetwork-msft-and-now-oin/ [01:57] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.unifiedpatents.com | Webinar Materials - How Times Have Changed: Adaptations in NPE Litigations Unified Patents [01:57] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Open Invention Network is a Proponent of Software Patents Just Like Microsoft and Microsoft Keeps Patents It Uses to Blackmail Linux Vendors | Techrights [01:58] techrights-bot "The Bombay High Court addressed the question of whether the pre-grant representation could be filed while the decision of the Controller of Patents to reject a patent application is on appeal before the IPAB." https://www.mondaq.com/india/patent/1074534/can-pre-grant-opposition-be-filed-while-the-decision-of-the-controller-is-on-appeal-before-the-ipab [01:58] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.mondaq.com | Can Pre-Grant Opposition Be Filed While The Decision Of The Controller Is On Appeal Before The IPAB? - Intellectual Property - India ● May 29 [02:01] techrights-bot This is BS reframing to bypass #patent #law and make up some psuedo-scientific crap:" "Utility Model protection may still be an attractive option for those having a technical solution being somehow obvious over the available prior art." https://www.mondaq.com/turkey/patent/1071730/no-contribution-to-the-invention-no-utility-model-protection [02:01] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.mondaq.com | No Contribution To The Invention, No Utility Model Protection - Intellectual Property - Turkey [02:01] techrights-bot #Zynq UltraScale+ modules include high-end Andromeda model http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/151717 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [02:01] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Zynq UltraScale+ modules include high-end Andromeda model | Tux Machines [02:03] techrights-bot "a patent monetization company" = #patentTroll with #swpats https://www.unifiedpatents.com/insights/2021/5/28/another-pacsec3-patent-challenged #PacSec3 [02:03] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.unifiedpatents.com | Another PacSec3 patent challenged Unified Patents [02:05] *phobos (~username@unaffiliated/phobos-anomaly/x-6744724) has joined #techrights [02:05] techrights-bot "Yes, I agree you just have to look at LinkedIn to see these people reporting their super learner status this is pathetic, but hey then you cant wonder why IBM is in the ho-e!!" #ibm #microsoft #lol https://www.thelayoff.com/t/1b4id1cb#replies [02:05] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.thelayoff.com | People who are collecting badges - post regarding IBM layoffs [02:06] techrights-bot #ibm is collapsing https://www.ledgerinsights.com/ibm-blockchain-cto-departs-with-two-key-hyperledger-fabric-developers/ [02:06] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.ledgerinsights.com | IBM Blockchain CTO departs with two key Fabric developers - Ledger Insights - enterprise blockchain [02:07] techrights-bot Minutes ago re #ibm : "The various Hursley development teams are losing people every day. Most of the Event Streams team is gone, the MQ team is looking for 5 new team leads. This is pathetic" https://www.thelayoff.com/t/1b49iXRX#replies [02:07] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.thelayoff.com | The exodus continues - post regarding IBM layoffs [02:08] techrights-bot #ibm UNPAID leave: "Ask your manager to submit LOA (Leave of Absence) if they agree to provide you with extended unpaid leave. Another option would be contact your HR partner. Do a search in w3 for HR bot and request for HR partner contact details." https://www.thelayoff.com/t/1b4km7eR#replies [02:08] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.thelayoff.com | Unpaid Leave - post regarding IBM layoffs [02:09] techrights-bot "The ones with the 'Super Learner' status need to be fired asap! It clearly tells you they had 250+ hours of spare time twiddling their thumbs to spend time on 'learning' VS. actually doing something that helps the company make tangible $$." https://www.thelayoff.com/t/1b4id1cb#replies [02:10] techrights-bot "Apparently they don't know the difference between contracting and consulting and missed the last quarterly report..." #ibm cooking the books. AKA "creative accounting"... https://www.thelayoff.com/t/1b49iXRX#replies [02:11] techrights-bot #techrights to release internal #epo material shortly... [02:12] *matthew_ has quit (Remote host closed the connection) [02:13] *stormchaser3000 (~stormchas@unaffiliated/stormchaser3000) has joined #techrights [02:14] stormchaser3000 I don't know if this is a bit sacreligious, but I am using an old Microsoft PS/2 ergonomic keyboard with my Raspberry Pi 4... [02:15] MinceR :> [02:15] MinceR does that keyboard also have USB client capability? [02:15] stormchaser3000 perhapse it constitutes some form of heresy or blasphemy [02:15] stormchaser3000 also, nope [02:15] stormchaser3000 I am using a PS/2 to USB adapter [02:16] MinceR so an active adapter? [02:17] techrights-ipfs IPFS downstream, 60 mins: avg(k/sec) 20.20 IPFS upstream: avg(k/sec) 13.33 swarm size (avg): 232.99 [02:18] stormchaser3000 I do believe so [02:19] stormchaser3000 it has a little thing that looks like it contains a chipset in the middle of the cord [02:19] MinceR interesting [02:19] techrights-bot #IBM / #RedHat / #Fedora Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/151718 #GNU #Linux [02:19] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | IBM/Red Hat/Fedora Leftovers | Tux Machines [02:19] cybrNaut ps/2 is better.. more secure [02:19] schestowitz Microsodr does not make keyboards [02:20] schestowitz it brands soem [02:20] schestowitz I still have some ps/2 keyboards around [02:20] schestowitz with slight defects [02:20] MinceR PS/2 has its downsides [02:20] schestowitz and USB adapter for them [02:20] schestowitz OS/2 does too [02:20] schestowitz :-D [02:20] MinceR no safe hotplugging, no hubs, difficult to extend, tricky to switch between hosts [02:21] stormchaser3000 true... Microsoft did outsource the making of this keyboard [02:21] stormchaser3000 then just slapped their branding onit [02:21] stormchaser3000 on it* [02:21] stormchaser3000 MinceR: true, but I am a strange person XD [02:21] cybrNaut i have KVM switches that take ps/2 inputs.. no issue switching [02:23] cybrNaut old keyboards are useful because the J & F keys are keyed the same as the other keys. modern keyboards fuck that up, making the J & F unmoveable [02:23] MinceR i had a cheap d-link kvm switch, but it couldn't handle most of my keyboards or mice [02:23] MinceR now i have an aten usb peripheral sharing device and it works fine with all of them [02:26] cybrNaut i suppose it's possible that ps/2 KVMs send a dummy signal to the computer, so it always detects a ps/2. I seem to recall issues attaching a ps/2 late in the bootup, yet kvm had no issue [02:33] BaronVladimirHar I don't think that the Talking Heads and Johnny Cash are big in the Philippines. [02:34] schestowitz MinceR: hungarian letter http://techrights.org/2021/05/28/epo-campinos-is-finished/ [02:34] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | President Campinos is Finished (EPO Crisis Afoot) | Techrights [02:34] schestowitz can you spot typos? [02:35] MinceR none in the hungarian letter :> [02:36] techrights-bot *** *** Yesterday's #boycottnovell-social IRC logs ready. HTML: http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-social-280521.html TEXT: http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-social-280521.txt Read the log now... [02:36] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | IRC: #boycottnovell-social @ FreeNode: Friday, May 28, 2021 [02:37] MinceR COVID-19 would be more correct than just COVID [02:37] techrights-bot *** *** Yesterday's #techrights IRC logs ready. HTML: http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-techrights-280521.html TEXT: http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-techrights-280521.txt Read the log now... 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[02:39] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | IRC: #techbytes @ FreeNode: Friday, May 28, 2021 [02:41] MinceR i didn't find anything else [02:41] techrights-bot *** *** Yesterday's bulletin ready. http://techrights.org/txt-archives/techrights-2021-05-28.txt [02:43] techrights-bot President #Campinos is Finished ( #EPO Crisis Afoot) http://techrights.org/2021/05/28/epo-campinos-is-finished/ #europe #patents #corruption [02:43] schestowitz MinceR: thanks for checking [02:43] schestowitz managed to make it before the cutoff point for the bulletin [02:43] MinceR np [02:43] schestowitz so it's in it now [02:44] schestowitz I'll do some gemini work shortly [02:45] schestowitz [12:25] Techrights-sec2: In gemini I've noticed that under Bulletins from Techrights (Plain Text) is shows only ones for this year. Should I add a page to the template for past years too? [02:45] schestowitz [12:56] if this is similar to what we have set up for "older archives" (blog posts, monthly archives) which are generated on the fly, then maybe code can be reused... to avoid doing any of this manually [02:45] *stormchaser3000 has quit (Quit: Leaving) [02:45] schestowitz articles done for today, will resume 6am [02:46] techrights-bot #epo wiki getting 2,000-4,000 views per day lately. #techrights did some exclusive coverage on issues like EPO scandals lately, and the media is asleep, pretending not to see very obvious #corruption in #europe [02:48] techrights-bot "Professional journalist" [n.]: A person with history or English degree, employed by media tycoon or press-owning oligarchs to pretend not to see major scandals and instead distract the public with partisan politics and lesser issues [02:50] schestowitz MinceR: https://www.freeimages.com/photo/hungarian-letter-1422249 [02:50] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Free Hungarian Letter Stock Photo - FreeImages.com [02:51] schestowitz it also used to be an Hungarian site [02:51] schestowitz before merging within FreeImages [02:52] techrights-bot "Maybe once the web browser titans have beaten down that door we can revisit. Part of the joy of Gemini is that you don't need a ton of libraries to do it right, and I'd like to keep that." https://lists.orbitalfox.eu/archives/gemini/2021/006591.html [02:52] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-lists.orbitalfox.eu | [Tech] QUIC transport protocol is now a standard [02:52] BaronVladimirHar COVID hardly needs to be distinguished anymore. It's just COVID. [02:52] BaronVladimirHar COVID-20, COVID-21....COVID-22. [02:52] schestowitz maybe I could put that in quotes [02:52] schestowitz "COVID" [02:52] MinceR any disease caused by a coronavirus would be COVID [02:52] schestowitz they just say "COVID" [02:53] BaronVladimirHar Wake me up when September ends. I mean, fuck. [02:53] schestowitz perfect excuse [02:53] MinceR including some cases of the common cold [02:53] MinceR COVID-19 is caused by SARS-CoV-2 [02:53] MinceR they should have called it "SARS2", but they didn't [02:53] schestowitz BaronVladimirHar: 4,200 new cases in the UK today [02:53] schestowitz it's rising quite fast week-to-week [02:53] BaronVladimirHar Mandy's actual test, the lab one, came back. Negative. [02:53] BaronVladimirHar Thank god for that at least. [02:53] schestowitz those who got the jab think they're invulnerable now [02:53] schestowitz false sense of safety [02:54] BaronVladimirHar On top of not wanting him to, uh, die. We can't afford the bombardment shitstorm of American medical bills. [02:54] BaronVladimirHar It's just better than nothing. [02:54] BaronVladimirHar A lot better than nothing, but no you're not ten feet tall and shitting bullets after the COVID shot. [02:54] BaronVladimirHar They hype it up. [02:57] BaronVladimirHar I did recommend Brave to the shop manager over at the Car-X. [02:57] BaronVladimirHar It's not perfect but it's not the craziest browser out there. [02:57] BaronVladimirHar Brave's new Chromium 91 based release easily drops memory consumption by over 20%. [02:58] BaronVladimirHar It actually uses less than Edge now it seems. [02:58] BaronVladimirHar As far as who gets best speed, battery life, and RAM usage, it's shifting. [02:59] BaronVladimirHar I mean, the differences will be smaller because most browsers are Chromium-based now, but they're all attacking problems a bit differently. ● May 29 [03:00] BaronVladimirHar Google had some algorithm for memory management that does just as well as Microsoft's new Segment Heap using the regular NT Heap, while avoiding the performance drag. [03:00] BaronVladimirHar So the Segment Heap may actually not end up being a widely used Windows feature. [03:00] BaronVladimirHar Microsoft tried burying it inside the OS to announce that Edge had the best memory consumption and then Google came up with a way to use the "legacy" heap better. [03:01] techrights-bot "An open letter in support of Richard Matthew Stallman being reinstated by the Free Software Foundation" now has 6,721 signatures. #microsoft #ibm #google #FailedCoup #FSF [03:01] BaronVladimirHar You know, it's going to be tempting for Microsoft to quietly abandon this if it starts showing up that Chrome uses about the same memory and is faster. [03:02] BaronVladimirHar That's how so many things in Microsoft and Windows are. [03:02] BaronVladimirHar They get introduced, without any long term thinking, figuring they'll blog about it, then it just dies and it's...there now. [03:03] BaronVladimirHar They no longer support older versions of .Net dating back into XP and Vista, they're not installed, but you can install them from the WIM image that's in the recovery partition. [03:04] techrights-ipfs Gemini requests since start of month: 136194 total Total pages: 35709 Active: active (running) since Fri 2021-03-26 00:17:05 GMT; 2 months 3 days ago [03:04] techrights-ipfs IPFS local node stats (past 23 hours) calculated. TotalIn: 2.0 GB TotalOut: 556 MB [03:04] techrights-ipfs New daily bulletin just generated. It is about to be added to IPFS, hereon retrievable with CID [03:04] BaronVladimirHar I honestly don't know if they're going to get rid of IE along with the option of installing it and then remove it from the WIM, but it would make sense to. [03:06] techrights-ipfs QmdstDNgn7t1pwgpTgwANxCdPkxFt7LNkHoqxcezneLZ4X [03:06] BaronVladimirHar I might blog tomorrow about Brave's new release. [03:08] BaronVladimirHar It's a big and noteworthy release for a lot of reasons. One of them is they've totally removed all of FloC. [03:08] schestowitz BaronVladimirHar: [03:08] schestowitz [10:20] IME, many of the #covid19 "spreaders" aren't the ones who wait before getting jabs (and often choose to isolate themselves from people instead) but those who rush to get jabs and then (wrongly) assume themselves to be invincible, in turn spreading the thing everywhere... [03:09] BaronVladimirHar We both have something right now, but it's 100% definitely not COVID. [03:10] schestowitz don't suppose the jab contributed to it [03:10] BaronVladimirHar Regardless, I'm wearing a medical grade mask when I'm outside again until I'm feeling better. [03:10] schestowitz the viagracompany one [03:10] BaronVladimirHar That was months ago. [03:10] schestowitz but like I said, time will tell what's going on [03:10] schestowitz for now we self-isolate (almost) all the time [03:10] schestowitz or maybe your husband passed it to you [03:10] schestowitz anyway [03:11] schestowitz https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oaqd9f5K1vI [03:11] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ResearchCONSOOMING Content To Create Content - YouTube [03:12] techrights-bot Haha. How to give #microsoft control over your machine even if you don't use Windows... https://www.maketecheasier.com/convert-legacy-bios-uefi-windows10/ see http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/UEFI what a scam... [03:12] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.maketecheasier.com | How to Convert Legacy BIOS to UEFI in Windows 10 - Make Tech Easier [03:12] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | UEFI - Techrights [03:13] techrights-bot #HowTo Use Git Alias to Make Git More Efficient - Make Tech Easier https://www.maketecheasier.com/how-to-use-git-alias/ #maketecheasier | more in http://schestowitz.com/2021/05/29/#latest [03:13] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.maketecheasier.com | How to Use Git Alias to Make Git More Efficient - Make Tech Easier [03:13] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-schestowitz.com | Social Control Media Posts [03:14] techrights-bot For those of us who grew up doing SVN and CVS using #git is really straightforward, manuals only needed for more advanced use cases like branching and searching [03:15] techrights-bot I'm starting to think that protests and even riots will do more toward racial justice than racist #ibm telling us that a branch called "master" ought to be renamed... [03:16] BaronVladimirHar I suppose for folks who have a shitty Mac that won't let them run bittorrent applications, Brave might be an option. [03:17] BaronVladimirHar They have a built in "Webtorrent" program. [03:17] techrights-bot #freenode lost about 10% of its channels this month, but that's hardly doom https://netsplit.de/tmp/networks/stats-freenode-year-uc.png [03:18] BaronVladimirHar "While torrent downloading in a browser isnt completely new (Opera has a similar feature, for example) Brave also supports torrent streaming. " [03:18] BaronVladimirHar Wrong. Opera with Presto had a torrent program built-in. [03:18] BaronVladimirHar But that hasn't been supported in years. [03:18] techrights-bot Earlier this year #freenode had almost 100,000 users online. #irc is far from irrelevant, esp. in #freesw communities. [03:18] BaronVladimirHar In fact, they bumped the 12.x branch one last time on Windows because they still had users on XP that couldn't run anything newer. [03:19] BaronVladimirHar So a few years after switching to Chromium, they bumped 12.x on Windows to support newer encryption standards and patch some CVEs. [03:19] BaronVladimirHar But they warned it would be the last time. [03:19] techrights-ipfs IPFS downstream, 60 mins: avg(k/sec) 35.78 IPFS upstream: avg(k/sec) 7.70 swarm size (avg): 233.06 [03:21] *oarion7 (anonymous@gateway/vpn/airvpn/oarion7) has joined #techrights [03:21] BaronVladimirHar I stayed on the leaked Winamp 2.95 for many years. [03:21] BaronVladimirHar Even well into Windows 7. [03:24] techrights-bot #RaspberryPi OS Updated With Faster OpenSSH, Software Upgrades http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/151719 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines #Debian [03:24] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Raspberry Pi OS Updated With Faster OpenSSH, Software Upgrades | Tux Machines [03:24] techrights-bot Top 6 MP3 Players for #GNULinux http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/151720 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [03:24] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Top 6 MP3 Players for Linux | Tux Machines [03:26] BaronVladimirHar How timely. [03:27] MinceR :) [03:27] BaronVladimirHar I think a lot of people still use Winamp 2.95 because it's really the opposite of modern. [03:27] BaronVladimirHar Even in the default state, it fixed most of the big problems of the 2 series, but that goes into the late 90s. [03:28] BaronVladimirHar They didn't even mean to release it. When users started going after it and ignoring WInamp3, they weren't happy. [03:28] schestowitz BaronVladimirHar: yes, sheer coincidence in timing [03:28] schestowitz the mp3 thing [03:31] *GNUmoon2 has quit (Remote host closed the connection) [03:39] *tr_guest|42427 (ac3a2374@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.172.58.35.116) has joined #techrights [03:40] *IroncladCorona has quit (Quit: leaving) [03:42] *tr_guest|42427 has quit (Client Quit) ● May 29 [04:10] techrights-bot #Techrights full #IPFS index updated just now http://techrights.org/ipfs available as plain text @ http://techrights.org/ipfs/txt #dweb #sharing [04:10] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Techrights Full IPFS Index [04:10] techrights-bot #Techrights Bulletin for Friday, May 28, 2021 http://techrights.org/txt full archive: http://techrights.org/txt-archives #gnu #linux #freesw #plaintext [04:10] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Bulletin Archives [04:14] techrights-bot Made some notable improvements to our gemini capsule and the code behind it, committed to git (self-hosted), now backing up this whole machine over rsync/ssh. We'll have some changes announced soon. [04:17] techrights-bot #Benchmarks on AMD #Ryzen and Chrome 91 Benchmarks on GNU/Linux http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/151722 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [04:17] techrights-ipfs IPFS downstream, 60 mins: avg(k/sec) 21.35 IPFS upstream: avg(k/sec) 32.18 swarm size (avg): 233.12 [04:17] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Benchmarks on AMD Ryzen and Chrome 91 Benchmarks on GNU/Linux | Tux Machines [04:18] techrights-bot Todays #HowTos | #UNIX http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/151721 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [04:18] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's howtos | Tux Machines [04:25] MinceR libera.chat has address 185.199.109.153 [04:25] MinceR 153.109.199.185.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer cdn-185-199-109-153.github.com. [04:25] MinceR curious :> [04:25] MinceR (similarly for the other 2 addresses reported) [04:25] techrights-bot List of known and active #gemini capsules, as per Lupa (over 1,000 in total): gemini://gemini.bortzmeyer.org/software/lupa/lupa-capsules.txt #geminiSpace [04:26] schestowitz MinceR: what does that mean? [04:26] schestowitz the site/http? [04:26] MinceR that their host their website on shithub [04:26] schestowitz let me check [04:27] schestowitz PING libera.chat (185.199.110.153) 56(84) bytes of data. [04:27] schestowitz 64 bytes from cdn-185-199-110-153.github.com [04:28] techrights-bot All you mindless fanatics who flock over to libera.chat (185.199.110.153), be aware that they have outsourced to #microsoft #proprietarySoftware #monopoly ( cdn-185-199-110-153.github.com ). So they don't exactly value freedom or "libera"... it's just shallow rhetoric. Because it's an ego think against #freenode [04:29] schestowitz should we do a quick post about it? Not sure I want to 'bash' them... [04:29] schestowitz it would lead nowhere good tbh [04:29] MinceR not quite the way i would have put it :> [04:29] schestowitz because freenode isn't without its issues, either [04:30] phobos I'd do it and laugh at the death threats they send [04:30] MinceR lol [04:30] schestowitz https://github.com/Libera-Chat/libera-chat.github.io [04:30] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-GitHub - Libera-Chat/libera-chat.github.io: The website of Libera Chat, providing documentation and news [04:31] techrights-bot Libera chat is both managed AND hosted by #microsoft ... and it is #ProprietarySoftware #monopoly ... maybe time to add to http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/Delete_Github [04:31] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Delete Github - Techrights [04:31] MinceR iirc the freenode website was also mentioned to be based on a shithub repository [04:31] XRevan86 https://github.com/freenode/web-7.0 right [04:31] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-GitHub - freenode/web-7.0: The freenode website, home to our blog, knowledge base and policies [04:32] schestowitz at least now I can better formulate what projects do by moving to libera chat [04:32] XRevan86 And it's possible it's on GitHub fully, but Cloudflare obscures that. [04:32] schestowitz more Microsoft [04:32] MinceR the main site is behind crimeflare [04:32] schestowitz and proprietary hosting [04:32] schestowitz just not the IRC part [04:32] schestowitz MinceR: managed and hosted [04:32] schestowitz they didn't have to host it on Microsoft [04:32] schestowitz but they DO [04:33] schestowitz so tech-saavy [04:33] schestowitz savvy [04:33] schestowitz XRevan86: do you know tricks for checking past clownflare? [04:33] schestowitz rasengan: is freenode hosted (the site) on Microsoft? [04:34] schestowitz why would they even manage their site on git, let alone shithub? [04:34] schestowitz a lot of it is not code at all [04:34] MinceR managing a website on git makes sense [04:35] XRevan86 schestowitz: It's static-site hosting for free. [04:35] MinceR especially if it's processed into static html [04:35] MinceR just not on microsoft github [04:35] XRevan86 GitLab.com does it also [04:35] schestowitz we do the techrights gemini capsule on git [04:35] phobos MinceR: the same way shooting ones self in the foot makes sense? [04:35] schestowitz but a lot of it is script-driven [04:35] MinceR phobos: not really [04:35] schestowitz the main site is all DBs [04:35] MinceR it's nice to be able to keep older versions and be able to merge concurrent edits nicely [04:35] phobos or in the same sense of Chicagos gun laws> [04:35] *GNUmoon (~GNUmoon@gateway/tor-sasl/gnumoon) has joined #techrights [04:35] schestowitz XRevan86: for 'free' [04:35] schestowitz they control you [04:35] schestowitz some exchange of power [04:35] MinceR if you really want, you can even use a CI system to do that processing to static html automatically when you push to the central repo [04:36] MinceR and have any sites update themselves [04:36] XRevan86 https://gohugo.io/hosting-and-deployment/hosting-on-gitlab/ [04:36] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-gohugo.io | Host on GitLab | Hugo [04:36] phobos MinceR: No offense to you, of course. :D [04:37] schestowitz phobos: does freenode get hosted on reliable servers (https)? [04:37] schestowitz hopefully not shithub [04:37] schestowitz otherwise one selling point is lost [04:37] schestowitz and afaik you are involved [04:37] *cubexyz has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) [04:37] XRevan86 Where can I put money on that they do? [04:37] schestowitz libera.chat site: [04:38] schestowitz CSS [04:38] schestowitz 45.7% [04:38] schestowitz [04:38] schestowitz JavaScript [04:38] schestowitz 27.4% [04:38] schestowitz HTML [04:38] schestowitz 23.4% [04:38] schestowitz [04:38] schestowitz Ruby [04:38] schestowitz 3.5% [04:38] schestowitz at least no typescript like the anti-FSF pettiion [04:38] schestowitz where it's like 60% Microsoft stuff [04:38] *cubexyz (~cubeman@maxhost.org) has joined #techrights [04:38] phobos freenode.net is hosted on clown fair [04:38] phobos and the chat servers themselves are mostly donated from data centers scattered all around [04:38] XRevan86 phobos: That's not hosting [04:38] schestowitz main libera site person is from sweden https://github.com/swantzter [04:39] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-swantzter (Svante Bengtson) GitHub [04:39] schestowitz XRevan86: right [04:39] MinceR so that's why they incorporated in sweden [04:39] XRevan86 phobos: Unless Cloudflare has suddenly decided to go into static-site hosting business. [04:39] phobos Yeah, you are right. [04:39] schestowitz https://github.com/Libera-Chat/libera-chat.github.io/graphs/contributors [04:39] phobos going by the icann lookup [04:39] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Contributors to Libera-Chat/libera-chat.github.io GitHub [04:40] phobos schestowitz, What do you mean by 'involved'? [04:40] phobos I haven't been in any kind of authority position that matters in freenode for over a decade [04:40] schestowitz I see... [04:40] phobos but I did know and have the ear of a few staffers from time to time [04:41] schestowitz well, anyway, I hope that freenode.net site isn't served to clowndflare from Microsoft servers [04:41] phobos also was involved in a hunt for corrupt staffers that lasted some years [04:41] schestowitz because that's a double-whammy bad [04:41] schestowitz two-dipped surveillance [04:41] schestowitz and proprietary too [04:41] schestowitz we don't even see the sausage factory of those malicious firms [04:42] *saint_dogbert (~phobos@unaffiliated/phobos-anomaly/x-6744724) has joined #techrights [04:42] *xvx has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) [04:42] schestowitz rasengan would know anyhow [04:43] schestowitz we need to understand who >technically< takes freedom more seriously [04:43] schestowitz using an iphone and macbook air doesn't work in favour of that [04:44] schestowitz because of people who themselves don't take sw freedom seriously and sign anti-RMS letters run an IRC network, that's a cause for suspicion [04:44] schestowitz as it matters who controls your platform of comms (spying/intel, not just censorship) [04:45] *schestowitz just added https://github.com/Libera-Chat/libera-chat.github.io/graphs/contributors [04:45] schestowitz oops [04:45] schestowitz wrong URL [04:45] schestowitz gemini://gemini.techrights.org/stats/ [04:45] schestowitz it seems like there's no high ground on the basis of Microsoft [04:46] schestowitz if both freenote and libera uses shithub [04:46] MinceR just more red flags [04:46] schestowitz for their site if not more [04:46] schestowitz MinceR: yes, exactly [04:46] schestowitz and they post their messages and announcement in Microsoft also [04:46] MinceR maybe we get lucky and the FSF starts their own network [04:46] schestowitz as if to say, like.... wth? [04:46] schestowitz it's like Trump talking to his rally goers in pink suit [04:47] XRevan86 I think the reasons to use GitHub by freenode have evaporated. [04:47] XRevan86 now that it's a central company that owns server, it can just use those [04:47] schestowitz https://github.com/Libera-Chat/Sigyn [04:47] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-GitHub - Libera-Chat/Sigyn: A Limnoria plugin to fight abuse on IRC networks [04:47] XRevan86 * servers [04:47] schestowitz they outsource more than the site to Microsoft proprietary software [04:47] schestowitz lol [04:48] MinceR they already had plenty of (donated) servers they controlled [04:48] schestowitz screw "libe*" [04:48] schestowitz they're no liber anything [04:48] CrystalMath schestowitz: exactly, just a bunch of crybullies [04:48] XRevan86 MinceR: Right, but I figure they wanted 100% reliability for the website. [04:48] schestowitz CrystalMath: I will have another argument against that now [04:48] schestowitz to stay vigilant [04:49] *saint_dogbert has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) [04:49] schestowitz maybe they'll start banning people for bashing Microsoft [04:49] MinceR XRevan86: they don't get that from microsoft, though [04:49] schestowitz because, you know... "MICROSOFT IS OPEN" now.. [04:49] MinceR "bashing" [04:49] schestowitz like rapi [04:49] MinceR which nowadays means "criticizing" [04:49] CrystalMath no bashing! cmding only :P [04:49] schestowitz banning people and forum threads [04:49] schestowitz for "Microsoft bashing" [04:49] MinceR lol [04:49] schestowitz after giving Microsoft ROOT on their boxes!! [04:49] XRevan86 MinceR: From their perspective: even if they get a 100% infrastructural collapse, the website will be up. [04:49] schestowitz what? Microsoft [04:50] schestowitz wait. incoming. DMCA! [04:50] MinceR no, because if they host their website on shithub, then the involved shithub servers are part of their infrastructure [04:50] MinceR and if azure shits itself again, it will be painfully obvious that their site is down because they made the wrong choice [04:50] XRevan86 And HTTP kind of need a central point [04:50] schestowitz Azure might shut down in the next 10 years [04:50] XRevan86 they could use a load balancer but that load balancer should be up somewhere [04:50] schestowitz maybe 5 [04:51] schestowitz like the vmware 'clown' [04:51] schestowitz they lose money and even lay off workers [04:51] schestowitz clown does not mean uptime [04:51] schestowitz does not mean longterm assurance [04:51] schestowitz it only means being at the mercy of some company's financial interests [04:51] XRevan86 MinceR: What I don't understand is why they couldn't even get the closest alternative, which can do all the things the Microsoft's platform can. [04:51] MinceR that load balancer shouldn't be run by people who thought tossing the windowing system into the kernel would be a good idea [04:51] schestowitz so you can pray that when you want YOUR site up they too want THEIR service up [04:52] schestowitz because they don't care about YOU [04:52] schestowitz MinceR: but it's secret code :0) [04:52] schestowitz nobody is supposed to notice [04:52] schestowitz technical debt and all [04:52] MinceR or who thought that if you hide a private key in your OS and ship it to everybody, it won't be found [04:53] schestowitz link? [04:53] MinceR these are old stories [04:53] MinceR https://social.technet.microsoft.com/forums/windowsserver/en-US/0bc15258-2bc5-40f9-a383-93adcba25a38/microsoft-rdp-server-private-key-disclosure [04:53] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-social.technet.microsoft.com | Microsoft RDP Server Private Key Disclosure [04:54] techrights-bot Upon further research, libera chat is controlled by #microsoft apologists if not lovers. They outsource their code to #ProprietarySoftware #monopoly #github ... how can we trust them not to ban users for "Microsoft bashing" as RasPi Limited did months ago? [04:55] XRevan86 MinceR: Realistically, I don't think their website will suddenly collapse any time soon. [04:55] MinceR we'll see [04:55] techrights-bot Also, Libera chat isn't basing in Sweden because of #privacy ANYTHING but because of the main and almost sole site maintainer is a Swede [04:58] techrights-bot Those who rush away from #freenode ... I can understand. Esp. given the channels confiscation blunder. But rushing to those two "other networks" without researching them properly isn't wise. Just being "not freenode" does not magically imply "benevolent". http://techrights.org/2021/05/08/communication-channels-cancel-mobbed/ [04:58] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Pro-Software Freedom Advocates and Free/Libre Software Supporters Face Barriers Due to Domination of Communication Channels (Beyond the Media) | Techrights [04:59] techrights-bot Calling your project or site "liber" something or "libre" something is easy. There are almost thousands (many sites) called "FOSS" or "Linux" something even if they're run by people who don't use Linux and writers who promote #ProprietarySoftware ... talk is cheap. Show me actions... and policies in practice. ● May 29 [05:00] techrights-bot The free in #freenode stands for freedom. The Liber in Libera Chat stands for (neo) liberal. [05:01] MinceR lol [05:02] techrights-bot #irc is supported by thousands of bits of software, unlike Matrix and all sorts of #ProprietarySoftware copycats from #microsoft and #salesforce ... IRC isn't going away. And companies that are governed by techs who understand tech (not people who swallow BRANDS and BRIBES) will steer BACK towards it. [05:02] alextee[m] >The free in #freenode stands for freedom. The Liber in Libera Chat stands for (neo) liberal. [05:02] alextee[m] lol [05:04] techrights-bot Libera chat: yeah, let's just show how "liber" we are by outsourcing our 1) site code 2) site hosting 3) projects to a bunch of criminals who badmouth and bribe to undermine #freesw http://techrights.org/2021/03/17/epoleaks-report-march-2021-part-12/ [05:04] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | EPO and Microsoft Collude to Break the Law Part XII: Foreign Corrupt Practices, Bid Rigging and Slush Funds | Techrights [05:05] techrights-bot #librea Chat and #OFTC are NOT friends of #softwarefreedom ... that's not to say that #freenode is without problems but its owner was last year's biggest FSF donor http://techrights.org/2021/05/08/communication-channels-cancel-mobbed/ [05:07] techrights-bot Leaping between #irc networks without even taking a moment to research who runs and owns them is an act of short-term self-gratification but a risky gambit. Choosing between masters, esp. those whom you neither truly know nor understand, is false dichotomism. [05:08] techrights-bot Those of us who lost many #fediverse accounts (I've lost 3 and gave up; mostly due to site shutdown or server crashes) will know that #irc choices should be based on longterm health and stability. Libera chat is all #microsoft (technially), except the IRC daemons. [05:10] techrights-bot #microsoft can exercise control over Libera chat, e.g. demand deletion of user x or channel y, or else we 1) take away your site code. 2) pull your Web site offline. 3) take away your code hosting (operational disruption). #deletegithub #proprietarySotware [05:11] techrights-bot Libre chat: we don't know how to set up and manage a git server (funny that, even I can do that... with little experience) but trust us to run a whole IRC network... [05:13] techrights-bot Libera guidelines: "Some topics are more prone to heated debates than others. These topics include, among others, politics, religion/faith and ideologies. While free / open source software, privacy, and broad licenses are often political as well, we recommend keeping unrelated politics to a minimum." Oh, no atheism allowed then? [05:14] schestowitz https://libera.chat/guidelines [05:14] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-libera.chat | Guidelines, recommendations and best practices | Libera Chat [05:14] schestowitz "Using the op status to intimidate or as a warning shot is frowned upon, as it often does not help improve outcomes." [05:14] schestowitz They are guilty of that [05:16] CrystalMath schestowitz: really, they're just terrible... did you read what Elena Hashman wrote on some IRC? i got a quote of her criticizing the FSF for rejecting proprietary elements of matrix [05:16] schestowitz can you show me? [05:17] schestowitz I did not see what the IBMer said [05:17] CrystalMath i can't remember [05:17] techrights-ipfs IPFS downstream, 60 mins: avg(k/sec) 22.31 IPFS upstream: avg(k/sec) 32.83 swarm size (avg): 233.18 [05:17] schestowitz try to find it [05:17] schestowitz anyway, dehomag employees don't care about ethics [05:17] CrystalMath i'm too tired at the moment, i'll do it tomorrow [05:17] schestowitz their concept of ethics is something like, let's gag people who dislike us [05:17] schestowitz CrystalMath: which channel was this in? [05:17] schestowitz I'd rather not mention name [05:18] schestowitz as they use that to imply "sexism" [05:18] CrystalMath err i don't know where she said it, but i got the quote on #fsf [05:18] CrystalMath if you can find a log of that meeting [05:18] CrystalMath it's there [05:18] schestowitz so it was said in FSF?! [05:18] schestowitz She was in FSF channel [05:18] schestowitz ? [05:18] schestowitz After MANAGING an ANTI-FSF petition [05:18] schestowitz amazing if true [05:19] CrystalMath no [05:19] schestowitz ok [05:19] CrystalMath someone quoted her on #fsf [05:19] CrystalMath but i have *no clue* where she said it [05:19] CrystalMath possibly on libtardia somewhere :P [05:19] techrights-bot Wrangling the EC: Adventures in Power Sequencing https://puri.sm/posts/wrangling-the-ec-adventures-in-power-sequencing/ #gnu #linux [05:19] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-puri.sm | Wrangling the EC: Adventures in Power Sequencing Purism [05:21] techrights-bot From what I can gather, Libera chat has adopted Pakistani guidelines and you can be 'deplatformed' for so-called #blasphemy (superstition need to be respected, not challenged... because truth hurts) [05:21] schestowitz CrystalMath: so it is a very indirect quote [05:21] schestowitz and may be unreliable hearsay [05:22] CrystalMath yeah please wait until i at least get the quote right [05:22] CrystalMath i forgot whether it was matrix or discord [05:22] CrystalMath but yeah basically it was like, she believes in using proprietary platforms [05:22] CrystalMath to spread a message of software freedom [05:24] schestowitz wait [05:24] schestowitz no [05:24] schestowitz that's a leap [05:25] schestowitz she does not believe in spreading such messages [05:25] schestowitz that's the key point [05:25] CrystalMath heh [05:25] CrystalMath yeah [05:25] CrystalMath just using proprietary platforms :P [05:25] schestowitz this is why she wants RMS to go away [05:25] schestowitz maybe to get a stroke or somethibng [05:25] schestowitz online harassment campaign against a man almost 70 [05:25] schestowitz who committed no crime [05:25] schestowitz BTW [05:25] schestowitz IBM... [05:25] schestowitz AFAIK, IMPOSED Slack on ALL staff [05:25] schestowitz based on press reports [05:26] schestowitz that's Hashman for you [05:26] schestowitz maybe compensating for self-shame/guilt [05:26] schestowitz there's that old saying... [05:26] schestowitz http://techrights.org/2021/04/17/renata-avila-rms/ [05:26] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Renata Avila: Trying to Understand the Lynching of Stallman | Techrights [05:27] schestowitz "RMS principled stances cause an uncomfortable cognitive dissonance for them. They would rather kill a sacrificial Gnu than admit their own shortcomings. " [05:27] techrights-bot "RMS principled stances cause an uncomfortable cognitive dissonance for them. They would rather kill a sacrificial Gnu than admit their own shortcomings." http://techrights.org/2021/04/17/renata-avila-rms/ [05:29] techrights-bot There is nobody left to discuss ways forward with #EPO dictator Campinos; he has clearly lost control of the institution at several levels http://techrights.org/2021/05/28/epo-campinos-is-finished/ #Techrights #europe #corruption | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/05/28/epo-campinos-is-finished/ [05:29] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | President Campinos is Finished (EPO Crisis Afoot) | Techrights [05:33] techrights-bot I'm now told that the anti-RMS lobby (also #IBM staff, revealing the general agenda) bashes the #fsf for rejecting #ProprietarySotware in their communications platform, the context being #IRC ... as if it's wrong for the FSF to insist on what it exists for :-) [05:33] CrystalMath goodnight [05:33] *CrystalMath has quit (Quit: Always read both sides of the story - http://techrights.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/05/lee-side.pdf) [05:34] techrights-bot "For engineering, outside of IBM, badges, industry certifications, etc. do not mean much. What counts is how one performs during the job interview - coding, algorithms, design, culture fit, etc. and evaluation is by the team members. Its what you know, not who you know." https://www.thelayoff.com/t/1b4id1cb#replies [05:34] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.thelayoff.com | People who are collecting badges - post regarding IBM layoffs [05:35] techrights-bot "I quit following IBM. These badges are an embarrassment. The only people that may care, are other IBMers" https://www.thelayoff.com/t/1b4id1cb#replies [05:36] techrights-bot #ibm + #microsoft = #lovefest "I am a ex-IBMer but was still following IBM in LinkedIn, so on my LinkedIn home page, all I saw was view my achievement at IBM (with some certificate). It was too much so I had to unfollow IBM." https://www.thelayoff.com/t/1b4id1cb#replies [05:36] techrights-bot "Yeah they were a waste of time. Even worse than that was all the MANDATORY training. Piled on top of everything else it was overwhelming. Glad I'm out of there after decades." #ibm #microsoft #socialcontrolmedia #bullshit https://www.thelayoff.com/t/1b4id1cb#replies [05:39] techrights-bot "Before each interview, ask what is expected. Its in the best interest of the company and you to be prepared, in the interest of not wasting time." https://www.thelayoff.com/t/1b4jZVuv#replies in #microsoft and #ibm case, you need to show willingness to engage in #crime inc. #bribery (no room for ethics) http://techrights.org/2021/03/17/epoleaks-report-march-2021-part-12/ [05:39] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.thelayoff.com | Investing in yourself - post regarding IBM layoffs [05:39] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | EPO and Microsoft Collude to Break the Law Part XII: Foreign Corrupt Practices, Bid Rigging and Slush Funds | Techrights [05:42] schestowitz 404Not Found [05:42] schestowitz "https://freenode.net/groupreG" [05:42] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights- ( status 404 @ https://freenode.net/groupreG ) [05:42] schestowitz with uppercase G [05:42] schestowitz we know it does not run Windows [05:42] schestowitz but someone checks for me if there's MS ShitHub behind clownflare [05:43] schestowitz just to avoid parity wrt criticism of Libera [05:44] schestowitz "ISP Cloudflare" [05:44] schestowitz https://www.findip-address.com/104.25.67.39 [05:44] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.findip-address.com | 104.25.67.39 - Find IP Address - Lookup and locate an ip address [05:44] schestowitz I cannot bypass that with cleverly crafted URLs [05:44] schestowitz all gets funneled through the CF circus [05:45] schestowitz https://sitereport.netcraft.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Ffreenode.net [05:45] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-sitereport.netcraft.com | Site report for https://freenode.net | Netcraft [05:45] schestowitz clownflare for 6+ years [05:46] schestowitz CertificateGoogle Argon 2021 [05:46] schestowitz 9lyUL9F3MCIUVBgIMJRWjuNNExkzv98MLyALzE7xZOM= [05:46] schestowitz CertificateDigiCert Yeti 2021 [05:46] schestowitz XNxDkv7mq0VEsV6a1FbmEDf71fpH3KFzlLJe5vbHDso= [05:47] schestowitz it also uses Varnish [05:49] techrights-bot #Games : Resolutiion, Eagle Island, and More http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/151723 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines #gaming [05:49] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Games: Resolutiion, Eagle Island, and More | Tux Machines [05:53] techrights-bot Bad, bad headline, #mozilla ... the objective is to BLOCK them, not pretend they respect #privacy https://blog.mozilla.org/en/mozilla/building-a-more-privacy-preserving-ads-based-ecosystem/ then again, Mozilla is managed by people from #microsoft and #facebook http://techrights.org/2019/11/03/the-privacy-scam/ [05:53] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blog.mozilla.org | Building a more privacy preserving ads-based ecosystem [05:53] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Facebook and Other Surveillance Capitalists Wont Save Mozilla From Google Dependence | Techrights [05:54] techrights-bot #mozilla as apologist for ads and #surveillanceCapitalism ... "Advertisements pay for all those free services you love" ... no, that's false. Partly true, mostly false. https://blog.mozilla.org/en/mozilla/the-future-of-ads-and-privacy/ [05:54] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blog.mozilla.org | The future of ads and privacy [05:55] techrights-bot Bottom line is, #mozilla does not really care about your #privacy but it cares about spreading the perception that it does [05:56] techrights-bot Maybe we should wait for #china to give us a few hundreds of millions of #gnu #linux users? https://www.techradar.com/news/huawei-apparently-has-an-arm-based-linux-laptop [05:56] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Huawei is reportedly working on a Linux laptop | TechRadar [05:57] techrights-bot "AlmaLinux, the Linux distribution designed specifically as a CentOS replacement, just released version 8.4 as its second stable release." https://www.itprotoday.com/linux/centos-replacement-almalinux-84-released [05:57] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.itprotoday.com | CentOS Replacement AlmaLinux 8.4 Released | IT Pro [05:58] techrights-bot If you care about #privacy then you would not use ANYTHING #apple or "Apple Mail" https://www.maketecheasier.com/block-tracking-pixels-apple-mail/ #gafam #nsa #espionage [05:58] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.maketecheasier.com | How to Block Tracking Pixels in Apple Mail - Make Tech Easier [05:59] techrights-bot #drm as a 'Linux' job http://www.brendangregg.com/blog/2021-05-29/moving-to-australia.html [05:59] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.brendangregg.com | Moving my US tech job to Australia [05:59] *phobos has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) ● May 29 [06:17] techrights-ipfs IPFS downstream, 60 mins: avg(k/sec) 24.10 IPFS upstream: avg(k/sec) 6.28 swarm size (avg): 233.28 [06:26] *oarion7 has quit (Quit: Running IRC on a charmed medieval abacus.) 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[07:23] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Official Statement Regarding UXDivers Grial Kit and MauiKit.com usage | Tux Machines [07:24] techrights-bot Move to #geminiSpace to reduce pollution https://www.sam-i-am.com/blog/2021/05/lower-carbon-internet-qos.html [07:24] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.sam-i-am.com | Ideas on a lower-carbon internet through scheduled downloads and Quality of Service requests | Occasional notes / Sam Foster [07:26] techrights-bot When #patent systems become so crooked, due to #lobbying if not #vendorcapture , that they prioritise #litigation over innovation, favouring monopolistic #cartels instead of actual scientists https://www.mondaq.com/uk/trademark/1073748/requesting-patent-prosecution-highway-pph-in-the-epo-or-uk-ipo [07:26] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.mondaq.com | Requesting Patent Prosecution Highway (PPH) In The EPO Or UK IPO - Intellectual Property - UK [07:28] techrights-bot The term #MedTech is just a sneaky buzzword to sell illegal #softwarepatents https://www.bioworld.com/articles/507610-bioworld-medtech-patent-highlights-week-20?v=preview #swpats http://techrights.org/2019/04/08/software-as-a-medical-device-samd-like-medtech-at-the-epo-just-another-dodge-for-illegitimate-software-patents/ [07:28] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-BioWorld MedTech Patent Highlights: Week 20 | 2021-05-28 | BioWorld [07:28] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Software as a Medical Device (SaMD) Like MedTech at the EPO Just Another Dodge for Illegitimate Software Patents | Techrights [07:29] techrights-bot Many changes made today to #techrights #gemini capsule, the front page in particular. 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Agree.. people with badges r the ones that dont have skills to show so they take a 2 hr class and a quiz and voila, theyre an expert now. Bullocks. These people are just victims of ibms processes. We have mandatory 40 or 80 hours of learning now." https://www.thelayoff.com/t/1b4id1cb#replies [08:01] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.thelayoff.com | People who are collecting badges - post regarding IBM layoffs [08:03] techrights-bot "Go away, HR shill." Is #ibm trolling these forums? https://www.thelayoff.com/t/1b4fzaXo#replies [08:03] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.thelayoff.com | Call out to Summit Hires - post regarding IBM layoffs [08:04] techrights-bot "What is up with all of these fake posts from #IBM HR ?" #trolling and #astroturfing h https://www.thelayoff.com/t/1b1yFZJV#replies [08:04] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.thelayoff.com | How do you cope in the new companies? - post regarding IBM layoffs [08:05] techrights-bot "There are no big layoffs planned until after July 1. This is well known." #ibm #layoffs https://www.thelayoff.com/t/1aWJp96w#replies [08:05] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.thelayoff.com | So what's going on? - post regarding IBM layoffs [08:08] techrights-bot NEWS #DanielStenberg #IRC History of IRC (Internet Relay Chat) https://daniel.haxx.se/irchistory.html [08:08] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-daniel.haxx.se | History of IRC (Internet Relay Chat) [08:08] techrights-bot NEWS #Bellingcat #Privacy #Surveillance US Soldiers Expose Nuclear Weapons Secrets Via Flashcard Apps https://www.bellingcat.com/news/2021/05/28/us-soldiers-expose-nuclear-weapons-secrets-via-flashcard-apps/ [08:08] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-US Soldiers Expose Nuclear Weapons Secrets Via Flashcard Apps - bellingcat [08:09] techrights-bot NEWS #TheVerge #Privacy #Surveillance #Twitter could be working on Facebook-style reactions https://www.theverge.com/2021/5/28/22458959/twitter-reactions-feature-facebook-sad-cheer [08:09] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theverge.com | Twitter could be working on Facebook-style reactions - 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*liberty_box has quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds) ● May 29 [12:18] *techrights-ipfs has quit (Ping timeout: 258 seconds) [12:26] techrights-bot President of the Boards of Appeal and His Handler #AntnioCampinos Need to Step Down to Save the #EPO http://techrights.org/2021/05/29/antonio-campinos-needs-to-step-down/ #europe #corruption #patents [12:26] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | President of the Boards of Appeal and His Handler Antnio Campinos Need to Step Down to Save the EPO | Techrights [12:31] *techrights-ipfs (~techright@2a00:23c4:c3aa:7d01:c7f2:e919:b6dc:6252) has joined #techrights [12:45] techrights-bot [Meme] #EPO Bad for Your Health (Even as President) http://techrights.org/2021/05/29/antonio-campinos-health/ #europe #patents #stress #corruption [12:45] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | [Meme] EPO Bad for Your Health (Even as President) | Techrights [12:51] techrights-bot "The European #Patent Office is the second largest (~7,000 employees) 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Technically it consists of several parts under a single umbrella organisation." http://techrights.org/wiki/EPO_in_2021 [12:51] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | EPO in 2021 - Techrights ● May 29 [13:11] techrights-bot Sometimes #stevejobs says the truth about #apple (or said it on the record) http://techrights.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/Steve_Jobs__Good_artists_copy_great_artists_steal.ogg [13:16] *rianne__ (~rianne@host81-154-169-167.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techrights [13:16] *liberty_box (~liberty@host81-154-169-167.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techrights [13:17] techrights-ipfs IPFS downstream, 60 mins: avg(k/sec) 22.98 IPFS upstream: avg(k/sec) 16.95 swarm size (avg): 233.67 [13:28] *phobos has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) ● May 29 [14:10] techrights-bot Updates on Techrights Videos, Techrights IPFS, Techrights Gemini, Techrights Bulletins, and Techrights IRC http://techrights.org/2021/05/29/2021-site-updates/ #Techrights #GNU #Linux #FreeSW | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/05/29/2021-site-updates/ [14:10] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Updates on Techrights Videos, Techrights IPFS, Techrights Gemini, Techrights Bulletins, and Techrights IRC | Techrights [14:31] *CrystalMath (~coderain@reactos/developer/theflash) has joined #techrights [14:35] *inky (~inky@141.136.77.22) has joined #techrights [14:41] *IroncladCorona (~jon@64.121.152.202) has joined #techrights ● May 29 [15:04] schestowitz I have just done a video about IRC [15:04] schestowitz hopefully last one [15:17] techrights-ipfs IPFS downstream, 60 mins: avg(k/sec) 24.65 IPFS upstream: avg(k/sec) 36.96 swarm size (avg): 233.74 [15:26] techrights-bot #gemini capsule of #techrights now 'displays' images as descriptive text about their contents. 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Example in gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/05/28/epo-eba-crisis/index.gmi [15:29] techrights-bot The crisis has become severe enough or so prominent that a major overhaul is needed to restore basic reputation (for the granting authority and the tribunal overseeing this process); #AntnioCampinos needs to resign, as he clearly failed on all levels, including dialogue with staff http://techrights.org/2021/05/29/antonio-campinos-needs-to-step-down/ #Techrights | [15:30] *stormchaser3000 (~stormchas@unaffiliated/stormchaser3000) has joined #techrights [15:31] *stormchaser3000 (~stormchas@unaffiliated/stormchaser3000) has left #techrights [15:31] techrights-bot According to insiders/informed sources, #AntnioCampinos wont seek to have his term extended; look what a few years inside the #EPO can do to a person http://techrights.org/2021/05/29/antonio-campinos-health/ #Techrights #Europe #Corruption | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/05/29/antonio-campinos-health/ [15:31] *stormchaser3000 (~stormchas@unaffiliated/stormchaser3000) has joined #techrights [15:31] *rianne__ has quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds) [15:31] *liberty_box has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) [15:34] *rianne__ (~rianne@host81-154-169-167.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techrights [15:34] MinceR https://hugelolcdn.com/i/746881.jpg [15:35] CrystalMath :P [15:36] *liberty_box (~liberty@host81-154-169-167.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techrights [15:39] schestowitz we'll see what happens tuesday [15:40] MinceR what's planned for tuesday? [15:40] CrystalMath schestowitz: where's the video on IRC? [15:41] schestowitz still transcoding [15:41] schestowitz MinceR: wrong channel [15:41] schestowitz see #boycottnovell [15:41] MinceR ic [15:42] stormchaser3000 I saw a link recently pointing to a project where someone managed to fit GNU+Linux onto a single 3.5" floppy disk [15:42] stormchaser3000 and this is a modern Linux kernel [15:42] stormchaser3000 (5.13 rc something) [15:42] MinceR did they embed a flash card into a floppy disk case? :> [15:42] schestowitz CrystalMath: basically, it covers some things we discussed recently [15:43] stormchaser3000 nope [15:43] stormchaser3000 the image literally fits onto a floppy disk [15:43] schestowitz hackaday covered it [15:43] MinceR https://i.pinimg.com/originals/8d/eb/0a/8deb0afeb7865134c01bc7ce9da9aeb3.jpg [15:43] stormchaser3000 https://bits.p1x.in/floppinux-an-embedded-linux-on-a-single-floppy/ [15:43] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-bits.p1x.in | Floppinux - An Embedded Linux on a Single Floppy [15:43] schestowitz related but different: [15:43] schestowitz http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/147311 [15:44] CrystalMath MinceR: that's two floppies [15:44] CrystalMath and that's a damn shame, that's what it is! [15:44] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | It's 2021 And The Linux Kernel's Floppy Driver Is Still Seeing The Occasional Patch | Tux Machines [15:44] schestowitz I heard bill gates brought his floppies to jeff's plane [15:45] schestowitz when they disembarked it was just hard drives [15:45] MinceR https://www.extremetech.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/02/FloppyCard-640x353.jpg [15:45] schestowitz http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/151565 [15:45] schestowitz this is the story alluded to above [15:46] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Running Modern Linux From A Single Floppy Disk | Tux Machines [15:46] schestowitz you could fit a microSD in a nostril [15:46] schestowitz way to leak stuff [15:47] schestowitz (...until you sneeze) [15:47] schestowitz and leak more than a card [15:47] MinceR or you leak stuff onto the card [15:47] schestowitz I think those cards can cope [15:47] schestowitz you can clean them afterwards [15:48] schestowitz let's register boogerleaks.org [15:48] MinceR lol [15:48] *schestowitz uploads file:///home/roy/freenode-sky-falling-fallacy.webm [15:53] *inky has quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds) [15:55] techrights-bot "The beatings will continue until we get to the 160-180K employees left... After that who knows..." https://www.thelayoff.com/t/1b2NzTFR#replies [15:55] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.thelayoff.com | IBM Remains Big Tech's Disaster - post regarding IBM layoffs [15:56] techrights-bot " #IBM loves people who take education and collect badges... the HR program/software used it as a criteria to select people for layoffs... so, you better pile up on the badges and the education... that is what counts... making revenue for the company is a lot less important!" https://www.thelayoff.com/t/1b4id1cb#replies [15:56] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.thelayoff.com | People who are collecting badges - post regarding IBM layoffs [15:56] MinceR https://hugelolcdn.com/i/750650.jpg [15:57] techrights-bot "Someone please correct my maths if I am completely wrong, but suppose #IBM does get 3% of a $500B cloud market. That's $15B of declining margin business. Does not seem like very much to bet the company on." https://www.thelayoff.com/t/1b21spuI#replies [15:57] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.thelayoff.com | IBM Cloud resets Days Since Last Major Incident clock to zero after just five days - post regarding IBM layoffs [15:58] techrights-bot "And whatever viability remains of #Blockchain will be stifled for the next 20 years by all the "The same old Method X, but now on the Blockchain" #patents that #IBM has filed and will probably be granted." #swpats @zoobab https://www.thelayoff.com/t/1b49iXRX#replies [15:58] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.thelayoff.com | The exodus continues - post regarding IBM layoffs [15:59] techrights-bot "No need to do all this, just reduce the management layers in half from 7-8 to 3-4 and give real power to technical people. Only then the company can change" #ibm #layoffs https://www.thelayoff.com/t/1aul1Aic#replies [15:59] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.thelayoff.com | Doctor's Orders - post regarding IBM layoffs ● May 29 [16:08] *inky (~inky@188.115.227.174) has joined #techrights [16:26] *phobos (~username@unaffiliated/phobos-anomaly/x-6744724) has joined #techrights [16:40] *AdmFubar (~mradmin@76-234-138-224.lightspeed.bcvloh.sbcglobal.net) has joined #techrights [16:41] AdmFubar this is a bit disturbing https://www.databreaches.net/us-soldiers-accidentally-leak-nuclear-secrets-via-study-apps-report/ [16:41] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.databreaches.net | US soldiers accidentally leak nuclear secrets via study apps report [16:42] schestowitz seen that [16:42] schestowitz [09:37] "re: bellingcat: stupid people thought that those phones and the programs on them were theirs, under their control" -iophk [16:42] schestowitz [08:08] NEWS #Bellingcat #Privacy #Surveillance US Soldiers Expose Nuclear Weapons Secrets Via Flashcard Apps https://www.bellingcat.com/news/2021/05/28/us-soldiers-expose-nuclear-weapons-secrets-via-flashcard-apps/ [16:42] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-US Soldiers Expose Nuclear Weapons Secrets Via Flashcard Apps - bellingcat [16:42] schestowitz pure comedy! [16:42] schestowitz not the first time we see blunders like these [16:42] schestowitz the spies want us to use "smart" gadgets [16:43] schestowitz but their own staff then picks up those beacons [16:43] schestowitz pwning those agencies themselves [16:45] schestowitz http://ipkitten.blogspot.com/2021/05/breaking-oral-proceedings-in-g121-vico.html?showComment=1622283603824#c779091279137624553 [16:45] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ipkitten.blogspot.com | BREAKING: Oral proceedings in G1/21 (ViCo) rescheduled due to procedural technicality - The IPKat [16:45] schestowitz "What is the opponent's point in slowing down the process by this procedural trick? I mean, everybody on this planet interested in the outcome of this case knew about the PEPO's (very foreseeable) comments. If the opponent's representatives take the risk of being seen as bloody amateurs, there must be some reason. Perhaps one of the readers can enlighten me?" [16:46] AdmFubar I've heard of loose lips sinks ships..... [16:46] AdmFubar need to be updates about "loose bits"... [16:46] techrights-bot #epo #fakepatents https://www.jdsupra.com/legalnews/uc-berkeley-crispr-patent-revoked-in-9535636/ [16:46] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-UC Berkeley CRISPR Patent Revoked in Europe Due To Invalid Priority Claim | Proskauer - Minding Your Business - JDSupra [16:47] schestowitz AdmFubar: yes, true [16:47] schestowitz now those lips can be "phones" or "fitness trackers" [16:47] schestowitz https://www.gloucestershirelive.co.uk/news/cheltenham-news/fitness-tracker-revealed-secret-home-1138507 [16:47] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.gloucestershirelive.co.uk | Strava fitness tracker appears to show GPS routes by GCHQ - Gloucestershire Live [16:48] schestowitz https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-5932965/Shocking-security-lapse-running-app-Polar-exposes-locations-personnel-MI6-GCHQ.html [16:48] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.dailymail.co.uk | Security lapse as app app Polar Flow exposes MI6 and GCHQ personnel | Daily Mail Online [16:48] schestowitz https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-42853072 [16:48] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.bbc.co.uk | Fitness app Strava lights up staff at military bases - BBC News [16:57] AdmFubar https://www.theregister.com/2021/05/29/apple_sis_lawsuit/ [16:57] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theregister.com | Apple sued in nightmare case involving teen wrongly accused of shoplifting, driver's permit used by impostor, and unreliable facial-rec tech The Register [16:58] MinceR 29 174322 < schestowitz> pwning those agencies themselves [16:58] MinceR which is why the NSA's rogue "just break everything" strategy fails ● May 29 [17:02] schestowitz yea, it also harms banking etc. [17:02] schestowitz they don't pay the price, we do [17:02] MinceR i suspect even they pay the price [17:02] schestowitz maybe [17:02] MinceR they run the systems they backdoored [17:02] schestowitz but they get government contracts regardless [17:02] schestowitz they don't have to "work" for that money [17:05] techrights-bot #Freenode is Not Dying, the Media is Just Lying http://techrights.org/2021/05/29/freenode-situation/ #Techrights #Internet #IRC #FreeSW | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/05/29/freenode-situation/ [17:05] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Freenode is Not Dying, the Media is Just Lying | Techrights [17:05] *tagglink (~tagglink@81-224-236-91-no2810.tbcn.telia.com) has joined #techrights [17:07] techrights-bot Today is the day https://www.uefa.com/uefachampionsleague/match/2029498--man-city-vs-chelsea/ [17:07] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Man. City-Chelsea | UEFA Champions League | UEFA.com [17:08] *psydroid is watching Holstein Kiel-FC Kln first [17:08] stormchaser3000 random question: thoughts on OpenBSD? [17:08] *phobos has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) [17:08] MinceR seems good [17:09] MinceR they have their own X fork and it runs as nonroot without *logind crap [17:09] psydroid I have it installed on a few of my older machines [17:09] MinceR it isn't "modern" [17:09] stormchaser3000 yeah, it seems to work quite well for server stuff [17:09] psydroid also because GNU/Linux distribution support has become spotty for those [17:09] MinceR and it needed the least fixing when i tried it, DragonBSD and NetBSD on a VM [17:09] stormchaser3000 although I have gotten it running well with an AMD graphics card [17:09] MinceR (i don't even consider FreeBSD as it's captured by suits and has a CoC) [17:10] schestowitz so do you [17:10] stormchaser3000 (I know, I hate using the binary blobs as well) [17:10] schestowitz "Touche" "DON'T TOUCH ME!" [17:11] schestowitz openbsd is ok if you need very little software [17:11] schestowitz seems popular for routers and firewalls and stuff [17:11] stormchaser3000 yeah, it works well for that [17:11] schestowitz if you don't want to startx just to run some application [17:11] schestowitz or use alpine [17:12] schestowitz I heard it's running on like 2 billion machines/devices [17:12] *saint_dogbert (~phobos@unaffiliated/phobos-anomaly/x-6744724) has joined #techrights [17:13] *schestowitz transcoding a video about ibm layoffs, 22 mins long [17:15] techrights-bot Law firms love promoting illegal software patents, citing the corrupt EPO management with its kangaroo courts for 'support' https://www.mondaq.com/new-technology/1073800/ai-machine-learning-big-data-2021 see http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/Software_Patents_in_Europe [17:15] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.mondaq.com | AI, Machine Learning & Big Data 2021 - Technology - Malta [17:15] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Software Patents in Europe - Techrights [17:16] MinceR (cat) (audio:important) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ntRSa1Mcn5U [17:16] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-The History Of Black Cats - YouTube [17:17] *inky has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) [17:17] techrights-ipfs IPFS downstream, 60 mins: avg(k/sec) 28.86 IPFS upstream: avg(k/sec) 7.23 swarm size (avg): 233.81 [17:17] *saint_dogbert has quit (Ping timeout: 258 seconds) [17:18] techrights-bot A quick update on #techrights site improvements and how to use/access/find them http://techrights.org/2021/05/29/2021-site-updates/ #geminiProtocol #GNU #Linux #FreeSW | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/05/29/2021-site-updates/ [17:18] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Updates on Techrights Videos, Techrights IPFS, Techrights Gemini, Techrights Bulletins, and Techrights IRC | Techrights [17:19] techrights-bot #buzzwords have helped rogue European agents and agencies shoehorn illegal #softwarepatents into the de facto #patent system. #swpats [17:21] techrights-bot Personally-motivated and overloaded statements would have people think that #Freenode is dying or dead; beware such misinformation, whose purpose is likely a self-fulfilling prophecy #propaganda war http://techrights.org/2021/05/29/freenode-situation/ #Techrights #FreeSW | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/05/29/freenode-situation/ [17:21] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Freenode is Not Dying, the Media is Just Lying | Techrights [17:23] techrights-bot Absolutely horrible effect of #IBM #lobbying among others' https://www.mondaq.com/india/patent/1073900/ipab39s-ferid-allani-order-is-a-boost-to-software-patents-filed-in-india #swpats #india http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/Software_Patents_in_India [17:23] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.mondaq.com | IPAB's Ferid Allani Order Is A Boost To Software Patents Filed In India - Intellectual Property - India [17:23] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Software Patents in India - Techrights [17:24] *psydroid has quit (*.net *.split) [17:24] techrights-bot A #patent system so full of scams and scammers; but some are considered legal or "legalised". https://www.mondaq.com/uk/patent/1073752/beware-of-firms-requesting-payment-for-registering-or-publishing-patent-applications-and-patents #patents [17:24] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.mondaq.com | Beware Of Firms Requesting Payment For Registering Or Publishing Patent Applications And Patents - Intellectual Property - UK [17:26] *tagg (~tagglink@ua-84-216-129-48.bbcust.telenor.se) has joined #techrights [17:27] techrights-bot When #patent systems become so crooked, due to #lobbying if not #vendorcapture , that they prioritise #litigation over innovation, favouring monopolistic #cartels instead of actual scientists https://www.mondaq.com/uk/patent/1073744/basing-a-patent-prosecution-highway-pph-request-on-an-allowed-uk-or-ep-patent-application [17:27] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.mondaq.com | Basing A Patent Prosecution Highway (PPH) Request On An Allowed UK Or EP Patent Application - Intellectual Property - UK [17:28] XRevan86 https://devblogs.microsoft.com/commandline/windows-package-manager-1-0/ https://keivan.io/the-day-appget-died/ [17:28] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-devblogs.microsoft.com | Windows Package Manager 1.0 | Windows Command Line [17:28] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-keivan.io | The Day AppGetDied. [17:29] techrights-bot "For me the opponent convincingly shows that a decision untainted by suspicions of partiality is impossible for this case. The reasons are multiple, but I would say that the fundamental one is the lack of independence of the (E)BoA." http://ipkitten.blogspot.com/2021/05/breaking-oral-proceedings-in-g121-vico.html?showComment=1622297169774#c6914628716711984636 [17:29] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ipkitten.blogspot.com | BREAKING: Oral proceedings in G1/21 (ViCo) rescheduled due to procedural technicality - The IPKat [17:29] *tagglink has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) [17:30] techrights-bot "My guess is because they want more time to come up with a proper response to the partiality issues, which have genuinely been rushed through at the last moment." http://ipkitten.blogspot.com/2021/05/breaking-oral-proceedings-in-g121-vico.html?showComment=1622293012032#c4673206234811791897 http://techrights.org/2021/05/29/antonio-campinos-needs-to-step-down/ [17:30] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ipkitten.blogspot.com | BREAKING: Oral proceedings in G1/21 (ViCo) rescheduled due to procedural technicality - The IPKat [17:30] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | President of the Boards of Appeal and His Handler Antnio Campinos Need to Step Down to Save the EPO | Techrights [17:30] techrights-bot This LIE did NOT age well. https://www.managingip.com/article/b1kbp4bwn4bh0k/unitary-patent-stop-talking-start-planning "Managing Intellectual Property" = managing perceptions by spreading lies: http://techrights.org/2021/05/27/managing-perceptions-ip/ [17:30] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.managingip.com | Unitary Patent: Stop talking, start planning | Managing Intellectual Property [17:31] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Managing Perceptions for the EPOs Regime | Techrights [17:31] schestowitz XRevan86: welcome to 1999 [17:32] schestowitz see you in 22 years, Microsoft [17:32] schestowitz if you're still around, which I doubt [17:34] *psydroid (psydroidma@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-xoqzoapifffbrqlj) has joined #techrights [17:34] *inky (~inky@91.195.254.74) has joined #techrights [17:40] *mmu_man (~revol@82-65-227-82.subs.proxad.net) has joined #techrights [17:56] scientes XRevan86, yeah, what schestowitz said [17:57] XRevan86 What happened in 1999? [17:57] scientes reading that blog post was like I was in the planning department for Windows ME [17:58] schestowitz virtual desktops... tick [17:58] schestowitz package manager... getting ther [17:58] kingoffrance i thought it was referring to how long package managers existed on other oses as a mainstream thing [17:58] schestowitz now the copypaste: techrights.org/2021/05/13/googlebombing-ebpf [17:58] XRevan86 kingoffrance: That would be a lot longer. [17:59] kingoffrance with internet download [17:59] scientes the core Linux teams only know the MSDOS crashing windows, but while Microsoft finially released a reasonably stable UNIX system with Windows 2000, it old reached stores with Windows XP. [17:59] kingoffrance how much broadband before 1999? [17:59] scientes *only [17:59] kingoffrance for joe average desktop user ● May 29 [18:00] kingoffrance installshield, nullsoft, whatever ms stuff used, how many "installers" for windows? [18:01] kingoffrance or how many different varieties of "setup" programs? [18:01] scientes schestowitz, yes, LWN posted how Microsoft was going to run eBPF in Windows [18:01] scientes *in NT [18:10] kingoffrance there possibly was "windows update" for some drivers and patches [18:10] kingoffrance so i will give them that, assuming it existed in 1999 [18:12] *rylee has quit (Remote host closed the connection) [18:12] *rylee (~rylee@gateway/tor-sasl/rylee) has joined #techrights [18:14] *wineroots has quit (Remote host closed the connection) [18:15] *wineroots (f24d257755@gateway/shell/disroot.org/x-rsjvdkgxdwbiavim) has joined #techrights [18:31] *tagglink (~tagglink@81-224-236-91-no2810.tbcn.telia.com) has joined #techrights [18:33] *kaniini (~kaniini@170.39.20.82) has joined #techrights [18:33] *tagg has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) [18:36] kaniini schestowitz: since you're basically offering a soapbox for rasengan i was thinking it might be more appropriate if rasengan sponsor the hosting for techrights [18:36] kaniini accordingly, i would like to discuss a transition plan :) [18:37] *kn\ (~sinister@193.38.54.217) has joined #techrights [18:44] kaniini anyway, please write to me (you have my email) ASAP outlining plans to move the site, thanks [18:45] kaniini otherwise, i will be turning the VLAN off on June 30. [18:45] kaniini toodles [18:45] *kaniini has quit (Quit: leaving) [18:46] psydroid blackmail ber alles ● May 29 [19:02] CrystalMath finally [19:02] CrystalMath i never wanted Ariadne hosting the site [19:03] CrystalMath i always warned you about her [19:03] CrystalMath this is a genuinely horrible person [19:04] psydroid I knew it too [19:04] CrystalMath i'm generally poor but i'm willing to donate $20 for techrights, if it's possible to do over western union [19:04] kn\ CrystalMath: She gave years of free hosting and she was nice about it. She could have just pulled the plug and the data wouldn't have been recovered [19:04] psydroid but I didn't want to say anything that might hurt techrights [19:05] kn\ But continue to run your mouth ok [19:05] CrystalMath kn\: a horrible person with restraint [19:05] CrystalMath that is true [19:05] kn\ How is Ariadne a horrible person? [19:05] CrystalMath she shilled against the GPL a lot [19:05] kn\ Ariadne has given so much to the IRC community and open source world [19:05] CrystalMath she called people names all the time with no explanation or reasoning [19:05] kn\ Do what? [19:06] psydroid I've realised for some time now that Ariadne is an open source and not a free software person [19:07] psydroid I don't want to say anything else [19:07] kn\ Explain [19:07] CrystalMath yeah i don't disagree with what kn\ said that she's pro-open source and that she implemented IRC software [19:08] psydroid there is nothing for me to explain [19:08] CrystalMath kn\: i do give credit where credit is due [19:09] CrystalMath but she also called me genocidal and other subtle microaggressions regarding my nationality [19:09] kn\ do you realize how much she has given to the open source/free software community right? [19:09] kn\ Show me the logs [19:09] CrystalMath she admits it [19:09] CrystalMath she's not one to lie [19:10] CrystalMath there are some good things about her indeed [19:10] CrystalMath kn\: i'll also mention that she retracted those insults against me [19:10] *Dijky (~Dijky@vm1.hfsn.dijky.me) has joined #techrights [19:10] CrystalMath and she only said them because she was angry at my support for rasengan [19:10] kn\ 22:10:16he is lying [19:10] kn\ Like I said [19:10] kn\ show me the logs. [19:11] CrystalMath i don't have ANY logs ever [19:11] CrystalMath i simply do not log [19:11] CrystalMath i just know what i know and i'm justifying my opinion [19:12] kn\ No. You made up a lie and I am calling you on it. [19:12] kn\ Where is the log? [19:12] CrystalMath i didn't [19:12] CrystalMath i told you [19:12] CrystalMath no logs ever [19:12] kn\ if it was done on a public forum so there must be logs [19:12] kn\ waiting. [19:12] CrystalMath well she admitted it during the #fsf meeting [19:12] CrystalMath there must be logs of that [19:12] CrystalMath oh! wait! [19:12] CrystalMath she admitted it here too [19:13] CrystalMath techrights is logged [19:14] kn\ 22:10:36what i said is that he writes fan fiction about all humans dying [19:14] CrystalMath i don't :P [19:14] samiamsam horrible people like to donate money to people with strings attached because it's hard for horrible people to make attachments based on their non-financial behaviors [19:14] CrystalMath i in fact never wrote any piece of fanfiction [19:14] kn\ 2:10:58he supports genocide, in the context of "mass human death" [19:14] kn\ 22:11:10and he will confirm that if you do not use the genocide word [19:14] CrystalMath i guess she is referring to my anti-natalism? [19:14] kn\ 22:14:26demon: yes, i misspoke and misrepresented them as genocidal, when in reality, what i meant is that he supports killing *all* humans indiscriminately [19:14] CrystalMath that's not true [19:15] CrystalMath VHEMT is about anti-natalism [19:15] CrystalMath it's about humans not being born, voluntarily [19:15] XRevan86 I can't tell if I eat something or this discussion is inducing [19:15] XRevan86 * ate [19:15] kn\ CrystalMath: Are you the type that supports Trump and beliefs everything he says? [19:15] kn\ Yes or no [19:16] CrystalMath kn\: no, but i did think he was better than some other options [19:16] CrystalMath you can find on techrights logs that i both said "i hope he wins" and "he's just an idiot" [19:16] CrystalMath this is because i hope for the end of american imperialism [19:17] kn\ This is where I end the conversation [19:17] techrights-ipfs IPFS downstream, 60 mins: avg(k/sec) 27.20 IPFS upstream: avg(k/sec) 7.61 swarm size (avg): 233.86 [19:17] kn\ You wish to see America burn basically [19:17] kn\ Yeah. You're a fucking retard [19:17] psydroid why not? [19:17] *kn\ (~sinister@193.38.54.217) has left #techrights ("WeeChat 3.1") [19:17] XRevan86 kn\: I saw him say it practically word-for-word. [19:17] CrystalMath kn\: america burned my country, i want that to never happen to any country ever again [19:17] CrystalMath XRevan86: what? [19:17] psydroid lol [19:18] XRevan86 CrystalMath: That ye wish to see the US burn [19:18] CrystalMath well not literally [19:18] XRevan86 in the closest figurative sense [19:18] CrystalMath but in the sense of no longer being on the top of the world, yes [19:18] psydroid Madeleine Albright? [19:19] CrystalMath that requires a lot of dropping [19:19] CrystalMath since it's so high up now [19:19] CrystalMath so yeah in a figurative sense [19:19] psydroid anyway, the US will burn on its own [19:19] psydroid no help needed [19:20] kingoffrance lincoln basically said that [19:20] CrystalMath XRevan86: but when i said america burned my country i mean that in a very literal sense [19:21] AdmFubar https://arstechnica.com/?p=1768316 [19:21] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-arstechnica.com | Covert channel in Apples M1 is mostly harmless, but it sure is interesting | Ars Technica [19:21] psydroid I know [19:21] XRevan86 CrystalMath: This is not war, ye have no right to support sabotage. [19:21] CrystalMath what sabotage? [19:22] XRevan86 CrystalMath: Something like Trump. [19:22] CrystalMath i was going by the fact that Trump started no wars [19:22] CrystalMath that should be obvious [19:22] CrystalMath why is it wrong to support a candidate that will not commit horrible atrocities across the globe? [19:23] CrystalMath when you know that another one will [19:23] XRevan86 CrystalMath: The internal politics aspect is what's important to the US citizens. And the external politics aspect is more complicated than that. [19:23] CrystalMath i don't believe it is [19:23] *bruhstrone (~bruhstron@gateway/tor-sasl/bruhstrone) has joined #techrights [19:23] XRevan86 CrystalMath: Like Ukraine is very glad that Trump is gone. [19:23] CrystalMath yes because they want to kill people and impose their rule [19:23] CrystalMath i'm against that [19:24] *Dijky (~Dijky@vm1.hfsn.dijky.me) has left #techrights (""US politics are cancer"") [19:24] XRevan86 they waited for Trump to go to reassert themselves [19:24] CrystalMath exactly, which is why i supported Trump [19:24] CrystalMath that's just another very good reason to support him [19:24] CrystalMath they shelled Donbass and killed a farmer not too long ago [19:24] CrystalMath with Trump maybe that would have been prevented [19:25] CrystalMath so the external politics is really not complicated, Trump is the choice of "america go home" [19:25] CrystalMath which is what i support [19:26] CrystalMath the internal politics are complicated though [19:27] XRevan86 CrystalMath: https://youtu.be/39mBogAVAQc?t=44 [19:27] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Gangs of New York (9/12) Movie CLIP - Sorry Looking Pelt (2002) HD - YouTube [19:29] XRevan86 CrystalMath: And they also crucified an innocent boy? [19:31] CrystalMath i don't really listen to the news [19:31] CrystalMath only sometimes i get these sad news of aggressors killing innocent people [19:32] CrystalMath more often than not, the US is the initiator of the aggression [19:32] XRevan86 CrystalMath: Only occastionally do I plug in Russia-24 to see what's happening in the world, right? [19:33] CrystalMath i think that if you were to ask most of the world they will confirm that the US is the initiator of aggression [19:33] CrystalMath even a lot of americans will confirm it [19:35] XRevan86 CrystalMath: Don't slide away from the topic, where the heck did ye get that information? [19:35] CrystalMath my mom told me about it i think [19:35] cybrNaut normally it's safe to say the US is the initiator of aggression when the commander in chief is a republican, but I guess Obama was an exception with all the drone strikes he did [19:36] *XRevan86 is done for the day. [19:36] CrystalMath XRevan86: it may have also been on the news here [19:36] CrystalMath i don't know [19:36] cybrNaut and Trump is exceptionally not aggressive in this regard [19:37] CrystalMath cybrNaut: that is correct, but i still wish he had withdrawn from Yemen more decisively [19:37] CrystalMath and also that he pardoned Assange [19:37] CrystalMath and completely withdrawn from Syria and Iraq [19:37] XRevan86 So, there's a schism, Ariadne is the people that go, and CrystalMath is the people that stay. Great. [19:37] cybrNaut although you must give Trump credit for all the violence he provokes not just what's ordered [19:37] CrystalMath cybrNaut: violence isn't god [19:37] CrystalMath *good [19:37] XRevan86 schestowitz: ^ [19:38] CrystalMath the impression i got is that schestowitz, MinceR, psydroid, and myself are all anti-imperialist [19:38] XRevan86 "and also that he pardoned Assange" sure did [19:39] cybrNaut Trump is at fault for copious violence within the US, like Asians getting attacked at random [19:39] CrystalMath XRevan86: that was the subjuctive [19:39] CrystalMath XRevan86: i wish that he... [19:39] CrystalMath those were my wishes, but they didn't come true [19:40] CrystalMath cybrNaut: and yes that internal stuff was sad, although idk how much was he to blame [19:40] CrystalMath i don't really know much about that, and i don't see how could i know? [19:40] MinceR Thought for the day: Violence solves everything. [19:40] CrystalMath MinceR: why? [19:40] cybrNaut Trump repeatedly called it the "china virus" [19:41] CrystalMath cybrNaut: hmm, i forgot about that... [19:41] CrystalMath and you're saying idiots used to be racist against the chinese? [19:41] CrystalMath *used it to [19:41] cybrNaut Trump's followers blindly go along with what he says [19:41] CrystalMath even injecting bleach i suppose [19:42] MinceR 29 200437 < kn\> CrystalMath: She gave years of free hosting and she was nice about it. [19:42] MinceR as long as she liked the message [19:42] CrystalMath right, she wasn't always nice about it [19:42] CrystalMath i remember when she wanted the whole thing set +m [19:42] psydroid she threatened to pull the plug a few times before [19:42] CrystalMath yes [19:42] CrystalMath that is NOT nice [19:43] psydroid it is not nice AT ALL [19:43] CrystalMath i always got a bad impression with her, and always whenever some bad things happened her name was on the wrong side [19:43] CrystalMath her name appears on the anti-RMS letter [19:43] XRevan86 MinceR: How weird. [19:43] CrystalMath her nick appears in the log about rewriting busybox as MIT [19:43] MinceR she's been allegedly talking about getting her signature removed from there for ages [19:43] CrystalMath MinceR: yeah and never comes around to doing that [19:43] MinceR and yet it's still there [19:44] psydroid manipulation tactics [19:44] MinceR when we don't fawn over the network started by her SJW friends, she's offended. [19:44] CrystalMath and then she became freenode staff only to quit the next day [19:45] CrystalMath and said some things to "cancel" other staff [19:45] MinceR 26 025514 < c> Ariadne: why did you become staff for a day [19:45] MinceR 26 025520 < Ariadne> c: the lulz [19:45] *psydroid is allergic to "nice" people [19:46] psydroid hmm [19:46] MinceR i guess the next big thing is cancelling people for connecting to the "wrong" network [19:47] psydroid I was contacted by someone a few days ago to ask if my channels had already "moved over" [19:47] psydroid as if that is some kind of liberation [19:54] CrystalMath rasengan: some people are now saying that you are being sued over freenode, is this true? ● May 29 [20:00] *inky has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) [20:03] *KindTwo (kindone@h161.135.16.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net) has joined #techrights [20:04] *liberty_box has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) [20:04] *KindOne has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) [20:05] *Noisytoot has quit (Quit: ZNC 1.8.2 - https://znc.in) [20:05] *rianne__ has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) [20:06] *KindTwo is now known as KindOne [20:06] rasengan CrystalMath: Not sure, I haven't been served anything. It could be true? ;) Anyone can sue for anything. Doesn't mean much. [20:08] *Noisytoot (noisytoot@fsf/member/Noisytoot) has joined #techrights [20:08] CrystalMath okay, thank you for your answer [20:08] rasengan CrystalMath: Thank you for the heads up! [20:08] *rianne__ (~rianne@host81-154-169-167.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techrights [20:08] *liberty_box (~liberty@host81-154-169-167.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techrights [20:09] CrystalMath the thing that i saw is: So apparently Lee is getting sued now [20:15] psydroid RasulAlShaytan [20:20] *inky (~inky@178.78.128.154) has joined #techrights [20:22] *cubexyz has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) [20:22] *cubexyz (~cubeman@maxhost.org) has joined #techrights [20:22] *psydroid finds himself in the middle of a nasty misinformation campaign not unlike a jihad [20:40] AdmFubar laters all [20:40] *AdmFubar (~mradmin@76-234-138-224.lightspeed.bcvloh.sbcglobal.net) has left #techrights [20:50] MinceR CrystalMath: i missed your question about "Violence solves everything" [20:50] MinceR https://extraheresy.fandom.com/wiki/Imperial_Divination [20:50] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-extraheresy.fandom.com | Imperial Divination | Extra Heresy Wiki | Fandom [20:51] MinceR see also: http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Thought_for_the_day [20:51] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-wh40k.lexicanum.com | Thought for the day - Warhammer 40k - Lexicanum [20:51] CrystalMath i know thought for the day [20:55] kingoffrance Only the insane have strength enough to prosper. Only those who prosper may judge what is sane. Begin play with 2 Insanity Points. lol [20:58] MinceR :) ● May 29 [21:12] schestowitz wow, I am being threatened with de-platforming for - gasp - staying in the IRC network where we've been since 2008 [21:12] schestowitz I've contacted kaniini [21:12] CrystalMath schestowitz: i'll donate at least 20 GBP to techrights [21:13] CrystalMath if we all did it [21:13] CrystalMath you should have enough [21:13] schestowitz that's not the point... [21:13] schestowitz and kaniini did a lot for us, I don't think negativity will solve it [21:13] schestowitz maybe impulsive, misunderstanding, heat of the moment [21:13] CrystalMath i think severing ties with that person is a good idea [21:14] CrystalMath schestowitz: bowing down to tyrants is never the answer [21:14] CrystalMath it was never the answer for techrights before [21:14] CrystalMath except in the case of this one Ariadne person [21:14] schestowitz that only started a few months ago [21:14] *inky has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) [21:14] schestowitz when Microsoft made a job offer [21:14] schestowitz after 2.5 years almost [21:15] schestowitz when we were about to start an explosive new series about Microsoft [21:15] schestowitz kaniini moved to Seattle soon and says it's nothing to do with Microsoft [21:15] CrystalMath i think it's important to get new proper hosting and never bow down to tyrants [21:15] schestowitz hosting is not cheap [21:15] CrystalMath how much would be required? [21:16] schestowitz it's like 10k pounds for 3 years [21:16] CrystalMath hmm, must be a lot of bandwidth [21:16] MinceR i'm guessing the LF also "has nothing to do with microsoft" [21:16] schestowitz LF pays Alpine now [21:16] schestowitz but that's not the point [21:16] CrystalMath strangely i have never faced such high hosting prives [21:16] CrystalMath *prices [21:16] schestowitz let me see if I can sort this out [21:16] CrystalMath how large is techrights? [21:16] CrystalMath what are the requirements? [21:16] schestowitz I am guessing that other network puts pressure on kaniini [21:17] *search_social (~search_so@99-112-18-250.lightspeed.hstntx.sbcglobal.net) has joined #techrights [21:17] CrystalMath no, kaniini IS a part of the pressure [21:17] schestowitz because they don't like another site confronting their propaganda [21:17] CrystalMath a part of the oppression [21:17] MinceR she might just be a tool [21:17] schestowitz and point the finger to say, it's your fault! do something [21:17] techrights-ipfs IPFS downstream, 60 mins: avg(k/sec) 28.48 IPFS upstream: avg(k/sec) 7.31 swarm size (avg): 233.93 [21:17] CrystalMath schestowitz: no i don't think so tbh [21:17] MinceR gates, ballmer and nadella pulled the trigger [21:17] CrystalMath ignore me at your own peril [21:18] *sepsinn (~sepsinn@c-69-137-151-151.hsd1.md.comcast.net) has joined #techrights [21:18] schestowitz it's not like a little shared account and simile migration [21:18] CrystalMath i would need to know the storage, bandwidth, and software requirements to get quotes on how much this will cost [21:19] XRevan86 My opinion is that CrystalMath is a very categorical person that prefers shallow ideological stamps over looking into things. [21:21] MinceR we could split the site into an archive that could be replicated over bittorrent (and periodically updated, or new archives added, perhaps yearly) and a smaller, more easily mirrored bit that's always up-to-date [21:23] CrystalMath it's nice to have an http website and a domain [21:23] MinceR it is, but if it isn't massive, there could be multiple mirrors run by multiple people [21:23] MinceR and then nobody can say "i'll pull the plug if you post something my employer doesn't like" [21:24] CrystalMath yes [21:26] BaronVladimirHar I finally did the air filter on the car. [21:27] BaronVladimirHar Someone managed to break one of the retention clips off somewhere along the way but the other one seems to hold it down well enough to seal. [21:27] BaronVladimirHar So as long as I don't lose the other one I shouldn't ever need a new airbox. [21:27] BaronVladimirHar Don't you wonder how people manage to do this over such an easy job? [21:28] BaronVladimirHar I took my phone's flashlight and looked in there to make sure there weren't any gaps. [21:28] MinceR if the non-archive part of the site is small enough, we might even be able to host it on ZeroNet [21:28] BaronVladimirHar On my Taurus, someone at Walmart broke the entire airbox to the point where I ended up driving out to the junkyard and swapping it out with one I pulled off another Taurus for $10. [21:35] *inky (~inky@141.136.77.22) has joined #techrights [21:40] schestowitz I am waiting for reply from kaniini [21:40] schestowitz (email) [21:40] schestowitz as I think this boils down, partly, to a misunderstanding [21:40] CrystalMath how so? [21:40] schestowitz however this is about the third time in 3 months we get threatened like this [21:40] schestowitz so on average about once a month [21:41] schestowitz based on those 3 grounds [21:41] CrystalMath i have never seen Ariadne have any comprehension errors [21:41] schestowitz 1) you cannot reprint pocock [21:41] schestowitz in effect cancelling a person [21:41] CrystalMath she understands perfectly what she's saying [21:41] schestowitz 2) you must ban person x [21:41] schestowitz again canceling a person [21:41] CrystalMath yes, and it's destroying Techrights' free speech [21:41] schestowitz 3) you cannot condemn a new irc network as being a threat to free speech [21:41] CrystalMath it's destroying Techrights [21:42] schestowitz there is one troll in IRC [21:42] schestowitz playing games behind the scenes [21:42] schestowitz with the sole goal of canceling us; [21:42] schestowitz so there's a coordinated campaign to neuter the site for quite some time [21:42] CrystalMath well, it's not me, i have nothing behind the scenes [21:43] schestowitz I cannot self-host it all from home [21:43] schestowitz even if I did, then my ISP would be a "master" [21:43] schestowitz so here we are being treated like "GAB" or something [21:43] schestowitz even though we're progressive-leaning [21:43] schestowitz but not corporations-friendly enough [21:44] MinceR obviously, progressive-leaning is not enough [21:44] MinceR when daddy nadella or jimmy allowhurst says RMS is to be cancelled, you must join the choir [21:45] CrystalMath i think it's possible to find cheap hosting that will be adequate with maybe just 1k GBP a year [21:45] CrystalMath if we all gave 50 GBP that's a whole year's worth [21:46] CrystalMath tbh techrights has improved me as a person, i know that this sounds strange, but the first time i came here i wasn't really very knowledgeable about political topics, my mind was a mess about it [21:47] CrystalMath it's probably still a mess, but somewhat sorted out [21:48] schestowitz but then we may depend on donors [21:48] schestowitz same issue FSF had [21:48] schestowitz where you need to please funding source [21:48] schestowitz my salary is very small [21:48] XRevan86 CrystalMath: Is your mum a reader too? [21:48] schestowitz hosting would thus be a large portion of it [21:48] CrystalMath XRevan86: of techrights? no [21:48] CrystalMath but possible of russia today [21:48] CrystalMath *possibly [21:49] XRevan86 , . [21:49] *KindOne has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) [21:50] *gustaf (~gerikson@165.227.165.91) has joined #techrights [21:50] CrystalMath schestowitz: you could maybe ask readers to chip in? [21:51] schestowitz here's the other thing [21:51] schestowitz many webhosts can be extorted too if we leak something [21:51] schestowitz so it helps when the host is with our cause [21:51] schestowitz just taking random webhosts may not mean they stay with us [21:51] schestowitz in 2008 we came under DDOS attacks [21:52] schestowitz when we still had shared hosting [21:52] CrystalMath if you host from home, you could still maybe ask for readers to chip in, and we can still help you financially [21:52] schestowitz the webhost wanted nothing to do with those attacks so pushed us out instead of dealing with the DDOS [21:52] schestowitz CrystalMath: I don't live in a datacentre [21:52] schestowitz this past week we did about 3mb/sec based on apachelog [21:52] CrystalMath how big is techrights? [21:54] CrystalMath also how much bandwidth does it get? [21:54] CrystalMath oh, you answered that one [21:54] CrystalMath i missed the message [21:55] CrystalMath 3 MB/s is tbh not that much [21:57] *KindOne (kindone@h250.136.213.151.dynamic.ip.windstream.net) has joined #techrights [21:59] schestowitz ok, I got a reply [21:59] XRevan86 > "freenode" removed nickname and channel registration counts from the services MOTD, after the numbers showed about 2,000 NickServ accounts being deleted as users migrate off freenode. The change was made at 8PM UTC on 2021-05-28. [21:59] schestowitz what's the command for DM? ● May 29 [22:00] CrystalMath XRevan86: if you recall there was a lot of nonsense regarding personal data [22:00] CrystalMath too many fools dropped their account already back then [22:01] XRevan86 CrystalMath: This is two days ago. [22:17] schestowitz question: [22:17] schestowitz what if we self-host IRC to a evade this whole situation? [22:17] schestowitz we really should control IRC presence at DNS level [22:17] schestowitz we talked about this a year ago [22:18] MinceR sounds like a good idea but consider DDoS [22:18] schestowitz I just want to write article [22:18] schestowitz not deal with the politics [22:18] MinceR i know a network that would probably welcome TR though [22:18] schestowitz MinceR: for a one-channel ircd? [22:18] MinceR TR has enemies [22:18] schestowitz yes, but... [22:18] MinceR they DDoS the website [22:18] MinceR why would they not DDoS the ircd? [22:18] schestowitz but IRC? [22:18] schestowitz we're not THAT big [22:19] MinceR we could also try a backup group chat on Tox over Tor or RetroShare over Tor :> [22:19] schestowitz if we have irc.techrights.org we won't need to deal with all this tribalism [22:19] schestowitz but then we need to admin and babysit an IRC server side/daemon [22:19] schestowitz MinceR: that's too 'guru' [22:20] XRevan86 schestowitz: But what if what set Ariadne off is the Libera criticism that ye've wrote yesterday? [22:21] schestowitz we're not considering Libera [22:21] schestowitz I didn't trust them a month ago [22:21] schestowitz because of things I had heard [22:21] schestowitz with our own irc server we control dns, except root dns [22:21] schestowitz this is not new [22:21] schestowitz we spoke about it last year [22:22] schestowitz what are people's thoughts? [22:22] schestowitz this isn't even picking a side [22:22] schestowitz it's about becoming more self-reliant [22:22] MinceR we'd need hardware [22:22] schestowitz only one channel [22:22] MinceR and i have _some_ knowledge of irc operation, but i'm still a newbie at it [22:22] schestowitz that's good [22:23] schestowitz maybe I can grant you access at some point [22:24] rasengan I think it makes sense for techrights to run it's own IRC server and when referring to the chat community refer to the irc.techrights.org server for sure. That said, whether or not techrights links to another network... maybe might be worth doing a pro and con discussion. [22:25] schestowitz rasengan: we don't need to leave [22:25] schestowitz but rather to have self-hosting, as we planned last year for IRC [22:25] schestowitz this gives us a push to press on and have also a self-hosted one [22:26] schestowitz rasengan: the web site can link to both [22:26] schestowitz or recommend self-hosting [22:26] schestowitz can fuse together logs [22:26] rasengan I agree it probably makes sense to keep this community open as well. I think in the end though the way things are going in this world - all this cancel culture and deplatform culture - is going to lead to a rebirth of the decentralized internet. [22:27] schestowitz remember we preach self-hosting [22:27] schestowitz and dweb [22:27] MinceR + [22:27] schestowitz like ipfs etc. [22:27] schestowitz nothing new [22:27] schestowitz so it would be right to also walk the walk [22:27] schestowitz I don't want to choose sides and stuff [22:27] schestowitz I just want to expose EPO corruption etc. [22:28] schestowitz we can use ophion [22:28] MinceR microsoft/dehomag drones claim you've already a picked a side :> [22:28] schestowitz this way it would work across networks [22:28] schestowitz like matrix in a sense... [22:28] schestowitz MinceR: I don't care what they say... [22:28] rasengan +1 [22:28] rasengan (re walk the walk) [22:30] schestowitz maybe we'll end up with more robust IRC world at the end [22:30] schestowitz IRC wins [22:30] schestowitz to be clear, I'm not picking sides [22:30] schestowitz we always try to do technical work to show the way to a more free Internet [22:31] CrystalMath schestowitz: why would you leave freenode though? [22:31] schestowitz didn't say I would [22:31] schestowitz I can fuse logs together [22:31] schestowitz and it would federate across networks, I think [22:31] schestowitz I have tomorrow free mostly [22:31] CrystalMath libreboot is going to roll its own IRC server [22:32] CrystalMath not software, i mean, but like, become self-hosted [22:32] CrystalMath it will use unrealircd [22:33] schestowitz freenode is still 'the hub' [22:33] schestowitz we don't intend to replace but strive to decentralise [22:33] schestowitz this is what rasengan wanted tomaw to help him do [22:33] schestowitz before it boiled over [22:33] CrystalMath schestowitz: what about hosting everything else? [22:34] schestowitz we discussed this earlier [22:39] CrystalMath if Ariadne is hosting your IRC server, you've only even more deeply entrenched the problem [22:39] MinceR indeed [22:39] CrystalMath and yes, i genuinely believe her to be a problem, it's nothing personal... i'm willing to forgive and forget everything she personally said bad to me, but she is running techrights into the ground with these demands [22:40] CrystalMath maybe i could set up a techrights mirror myself [22:40] CrystalMath is all the content legal to copy? [22:44] schestowitz CrystalMath: that's not how I see it [22:44] CrystalMath personally i would rather get microsoft hosting than ariadne hosting, they're way more impartial [22:44] schestowitz let me explain something [22:44] schestowitz in 2018 tessier had many difficulties [22:44] schestowitz and had to shut down his hosting busines [22:44] schestowitz I was VERY thankful for all the help he gave us! Very! [22:44] schestowitz Like waking up at night [22:45] schestowitz we had to rush for contongencies [22:45] schestowitz tessier saved us from a fussy commericial webhost that didn't want to confront ddos [22:45] schestowitz instead treating us like shit (that webhost) [22:46] schestowitz for over 2 years (about 2.5) ariadne moved even from one machine to the next to keep the site going [22:46] schestowitz so it would be unfair to discount all this [22:47] CrystalMath i really don't see the difference between ariadne and a fussy commercial webhost [22:47] CrystalMath why do you care who is trying to destroy your website? [22:47] CrystalMath it shouldn't matter - nobody should be able to do this [22:48] CrystalMath what about DDoS-Guard? [22:48] MinceR human society is like that [22:49] MinceR we have centralized systems (like DNS) [22:49] MinceR we put the worst sociopaths in positions of political power [22:49] MinceR and then we wonder why everything is so shitty [22:49] CrystalMath https://ddos-guard.net/en/store/hosting [22:49] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ddos-guard.net | DDoS Protected Hosting | Anti-DDoS Web Hosting [22:49] CrystalMath $50 monthly, i could maybe even give you $10 monthly alone [22:50] schestowitz you then depend on yet another private company [22:50] CrystalMath and then if MinceR and a few more chip in, it could even be free for you [22:50] schestowitz we do our own ddos protection [22:50] schestowitz and we wrote scripts [22:50] CrystalMath DDoS-Guard is also hosting [22:50] schestowitz they're in our SELF-HOSTED git [22:50] CrystalMath it hosts parler and gab [22:50] MinceR standing on more legs could help [22:50] schestowitz if I wanted no 'issues', clownflare [22:50] MinceR that way if the redmond and/or armonk mafia takes down one host, we have time to replace it while others keep going [22:50] schestowitz and then one publicly traded company has me by the balls [22:51] schestowitz I am not an ISP [22:51] MinceR we could have one mirror behind crimeflare if we wanted [22:51] schestowitz my home is no a datacentre [22:51] schestowitz *not [22:51] CrystalMath schestowitz: what about using DDoS-Guard? this company is well known for free speech [22:51] schestowitz PP Founder in Sweden used to self-host his site [22:51] schestowitz from home [22:51] CrystalMath they hosted 8chan even, i think? [22:51] CrystalMath or not [22:51] schestowitz and sometimes it would be down FOR DAYS [22:51] CrystalMath no, not 8chan [22:51] schestowitz due to his ISP [22:51] schestowitz he wrote about it [22:51] CrystalMath but they host parler, and gab [22:52] CrystalMath 30 GB of space [22:52] *kn\ (~sinister@193.38.54.217) has joined #techrights [22:53] schestowitz [22:51] but they host parler, and gab [22:53] schestowitz that's a badge of endorsement? [22:53] CrystalMath if they host that, they're sure to host this [22:53] schestowitz they participated in insurrection planning [22:53] schestowitz in defiance of a vote [22:53] CrystalMath they're free speech [22:54] CrystalMath but my point here was, if they're willing to host even that [22:54] CrystalMath techrights won't be a problem at all [22:54] schestowitz they're another company you're at the mercy of [22:54] CrystalMath but they never put pressure [22:54] schestowitz I already have enough grief with BT [22:54] schestowitz but BT is not hosting the www [22:54] MinceR unless they pick their clients on the basis of politics [22:54] schestowitz it hosts gemini and ipfs node for us [22:54] CrystalMath really, i think DDoS-Guard is a company you can trust [22:54] CrystalMath MinceR: i don't think so [22:54] schestowitz no [22:54] schestowitz it can also go under [22:54] schestowitz gov action [22:54] schestowitz financial issus [22:54] CrystalMath it's hosted in russia [22:54] schestowitz and so on [22:54] schestowitz not a positive [22:55] schestowitz will play into the 'TECHRIGHTS IS RUSSIA INTEL UNDERMINING EPO" card [22:55] CrystalMath then remind me, why is Snowden there? [22:55] schestowitz because he's useful to putler [22:55] schestowitz he'll keep him out when he's no longer useful to him [22:55] MinceR and if TR isn't useful to putler, our site might just get taken down [22:55] schestowitz or when he can 'exchange prisoners" (political) [22:55] schestowitz like Moerno did with Julian Assange [22:55] CrystalMath MinceR: i don't think so, you're paying them [22:56] CrystalMath they're like any other hosting company [22:56] schestowitz Russia shuts down many services [22:56] MinceR CrystalMath: i'm pretty sure non-government news outfits in russia also pay for their hosting [22:56] CrystalMath the whole point of DDoS-Guard is that they should be impartial [22:56] MinceR and sometimes they get a bit of extra polonium in their tea, or novichok [22:57] XRevan86 Oh, I see CrystalMath is not aware of what's going on in the Internet department in Russia. [22:57] CrystalMath XRevan86: hmm [22:57] CrystalMath what happened? [22:57] samiamsam did anyone ever look at ovh [22:57] schestowitz it went on fire [22:57] samiamsam yes it did [22:57] MinceR lol [22:57] schestowitz and it's not cheap [22:57] samiamsam but none of my servers were affected [22:57] schestowitz I looked into it when tessier shut down his DC/co-loco [22:58] XRevan86 CrystalMath: The latest news? [22:58] samiamsam they have cheap virtual servers [22:58] XRevan86 CrystalMath: They're going after YouTube now. [22:58] schestowitz [22:57] Oh, I see CrystalMath is not aware of what's going on in the Internet department in Russia. [22:58] CrystalMath XRevan86: yes, i don't know [22:58] schestowitz true [22:58] samiamsam you can get multiple virtual servers in locations around the world to guard against fires [22:58] CrystalMath i am not aware, indeed [22:58] schestowitz the clown [22:58] schestowitz data clown [22:58] XRevan86 https://meduza.io/en/news/2021/05/24/russia-s-censorship-agency-threatens-to-throttle-google [22:58] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-meduza.io | NO TITLE [22:58] MinceR they're also propping up lukashenka [22:58] schestowitz the clown of data [22:58] schestowitz smoke [22:58] CrystalMath XRevan86: hmm [22:58] CrystalMath XRevan86: well i hate google :P [22:58] samiamsam is there anything politically wrong with ovh [22:59] schestowitz it's expensive [22:59] schestowitz for starters [22:59] XRevan86 CrystalMath: Enema of my enema is my frend [22:59] schestowitz my salary is 26.5k a yeay [22:59] samiamsam i duno, the virtual servers are actually as cheap as the market rate [22:59] schestowitz and I have food, rent expenses etc. [22:59] samiamsam are you only looking at dedicated [22:59] XRevan86 CrystalMath: Notice the reasons for all of this. It's quite literally unwanted content. [22:59] samiamsam they have this kimsufi option for dedicated but it's always sold out (i have one though) [22:59] CrystalMath schestowitz: how is it expensive? ● May 29 [23:00] CrystalMath the professional plan is 250 GB [23:00] CrystalMath only $7/mo [23:00] schestowitz that's about as much as we use (disk space) [23:00] XRevan86 some call this censorship, but not I, as I don't want to be charged for wrongfully saying that Russia has censorship [23:00] schestowitz remember they can change the pricing, limit b/w etc. [23:00] XRevan86 there are laws against such lies, don't ye know [23:00] CrystalMath schestowitz: okay then the performance plan, 500 GB [23:00] samiamsam their pricing goes gradually down over time [23:00] CrystalMath schestowitz: $12/mo [23:01] samiamsam of course, you have to be prepared to switch isps regardless of anything [23:01] CrystalMath i was gonna offer you that much of a share for DDoS-Guard.... [23:01] MinceR 250 GB seems to be feasible to share over bittorrent as an archive [23:01] CrystalMath this is super cheap [23:01] MinceR how much does it grow per year? [23:01] CrystalMath this is amazingly cheap [23:02] samiamsam ya that's what i thought it was [23:02] CrystalMath i mean i offered to literally pay for $10 of the $50/mo for DDoS-guard, which is not even suitable for this [23:02] CrystalMath and $10 is enough for the maximum plan of OVH [23:02] CrystalMath so literally, if the fans of techrights just chip in $2/mo, it can be free for schestowitz [23:02] XRevan86 They say Startpage.com now requires JS. [23:03] schestowitz CrystalMath: it's French [23:03] schestowitz we expose corruption in France [23:03] schestowitz France has ridiculous [23:03] CrystalMath is it not legal to expose corruption in france in france? [23:03] schestowitz RTbF, hate speech etc. [23:03] samiamsam as an english speaker you will rent a server in the data center in canada [23:03] schestowitz I exposed some powerful french people in connection to EPO [23:04] schestowitz and France regime (Macron) won't favour my side [23:04] samiamsam i don't think france is relevant just because the owner of the international operation is french [23:04] schestowitz we expose Breton, Macron, the french rothschilds (on patents).. [23:05] samiamsam anyway it's always some nation [23:05] samiamsam i think ovh can handle the ddos though [23:06] CrystalMath yeah they include DDoS protection in the plan [23:06] schestowitz anyway, you suggest I rely on for-profit corporation [23:06] schestowitz heck, Microsoft can buy them! [23:06] schestowitz to turn their DC into "Azure" [23:06] CrystalMath and it would still be more trustworthy than that snake, Ariadne [23:06] samiamsam i'm not suggesting it, i thought you were looking to choose one [23:06] MinceR who's going to offer hosting in a DC without a for-profit corporation being involved? [23:06] schestowitz ariadne did so much for us [23:06] schestowitz you cannot overlook the positives completely (but you do, CrystalMath) [23:07] rasengan I agree, Ariadne has lots of positive qualities. [23:07] schestowitz MinceR: the networks are private [23:07] MinceR if eXoDOS can be spread as a 500-something GB torrent, so can our site archive :> [23:07] schestowitz ariadne saved our arse many times [23:08] schestowitz you can spread yourself TOO thin [23:08] schestowitz freenode.net is clownflare [23:08] schestowitz what is CF shareholders put pressure to de-platform? [23:08] schestowitz or if ShitHub deplatformed freenode staff? [23:08] schestowitz that's why we self-host git [23:08] schestowitz and nvideos [23:08] rasengan self-host git++ [23:09] schestowitz I can say "shit" and "fuck" without Google sending me emails threatening me for producing some youtube "content" [23:10] samiamsam maybe you gotta treat the hosts as disposable and deal with that when it comes [23:10] MinceR + [23:10] schestowitz samiamsam: that's one approach [23:10] schestowitz bear in mind, I have many bad experiences [23:10] MinceR one of the hosts could be a Tor hidden service and/or I2P site [23:10] schestowitz for 15 years [23:10] schestowitz inc. death threats [23:11] schestowitz I'd rather depend on a friend than a corporation [23:11] schestowitz it's easier to negotiate with people than private firms [23:11] CrystalMath schestowitz: i have not seen google attempt to deplatform freenode, i've only seen Ariadne attempt to push commits into IRC clients to state that freenode is a dangerous network [23:12] CrystalMath as much as i hate google, i would rather give them the benefit of the doubt, than someone who would be clearly going against my values [23:12] schestowitz any network you don't control is fundamentally a "risk" [23:12] schestowitz we have a cabal of trusted people [23:12] schestowitz MinceR has been here since nearly the very start [23:12] CrystalMath freenode is currently under the control of good people [23:13] schestowitz people have emotions, corporations don't [23:13] CrystalMath and there is zero reason to distrust it [23:13] CrystalMath "corporations are people, my friend" [23:13] CrystalMath :P [23:13] schestowitz freenode was ALWAYS a mixed bag [23:13] schestowitz inc. tomaw [23:13] schestowitz depends on which volunteer speaks to you [23:13] schestowitz to me, they were all strangers [23:13] schestowitz and they don't give much of a flying f about techrights [23:13] CrystalMath i find it really sad that you would compromise your beliefs over any hosting service [23:14] MinceR schestowitz: how much does the site grow in a year? [23:14] schestowitz space-wise? [23:14] MinceR indeed [23:15] schestowitz we managed to shrink video size recently with transcoding/post-processing [23:15] schestowitz so it grows about 200MB per day [23:15] CrystalMath 500 GB should be enough [23:15] schestowitz the videos are the overhead or bottleneck [23:15] MinceR so about 73 GB / year [23:15] schestowitz CrystalMath: I am NOT outsourcing to a private firm [23:15] schestowitz certainly not in France [23:16] MinceR 6 GB per month [23:16] schestowitz it's like the most free speech-hostile EU member state [23:16] CrystalMath you seem to be adamant on destroying techrights [23:16] CrystalMath but oh well, you created it [23:16] MinceR so if we had a setup that lets anyone host the last full month + everything that was posted since then, that would require at most 12 GB [23:16] MinceR and we could create monthly archives available over bittorrent every month [23:17] MinceR we could have a setup where as long as there's one bittorrent seed around, the whole archive can be downloaded by anyone [23:17] techrights-ipfs IPFS downstream, 60 mins: avg(k/sec) 27.96 IPFS upstream: avg(k/sec) 18.43 swarm size (avg): 234.02 [23:17] MinceR and shutting down the site would require shutting down all of those mirrors [23:17] schestowitz MinceR: in theory [23:18] schestowitz but how many people would make full mirror? More theoretical a thing... in practice you'd struggle to get people to even pin ipfs objects [23:18] CrystalMath MinceR: it seems to me schestowitz really doesn't care about the truth, all he cares about is Ariadne [23:18] MinceR if it doesn't require too much hardware, many people might [23:18] schestowitz ariadne did superb work for us [23:18] schestowitz CrystalMath: before you came to IRC even [23:18] MinceR i could probably host a Tor hidden service from home [23:19] schestowitz you always can mirrror [23:19] MinceR my VPS doesn't have enough disk and its storage isn't terribly reliable, i'll look for another [23:19] CrystalMath my upload cannot handle 3 MB/s [23:19] schestowitz regardless of what runs the site most people access [23:19] CrystalMath i have 2 Mbit/s upload [23:19] schestowitz that introduces other issues [23:19] MinceR but if i get a host with more disk space, i could host such a small mirror [23:19] schestowitz like tampering with served data, privacy etc. [23:19] MinceR and seed archive torrents from home [23:19] schestowitz EPO staff don't do torrent [23:19] MinceR you can sign the data [23:19] schestowitz they need a fast site that's always on [23:20] CrystalMath schestowitz: my problem is that you started saying bad things about freenode just because your beloved host wants you to [23:20] schestowitz almost all EPO staff reads techrights [23:20] MinceR as long as your magnet links or torrent files are not tampered with, the contents of the torrent are verified [23:20] schestowitz (just not on a daily basis) [23:20] schestowitz CrystalMath: false [23:20] schestowitz I condemned the channel confiscation MANY times before [23:21] schestowitz even to the network's face, because it was simple inexcusable and self-harming [23:21] schestowitz MinceR: we can have torrents of the site too [23:21] MinceR the site could be mirrored (and updated) via git as long as it's stored in files [23:21] CrystalMath okay, but in a video today you said that there's no reason to distrust freenode [23:21] schestowitz but as it stands, it's like people who "leave youtube" [23:21] CrystalMath then your host called up, and now you're changing that story [23:21] schestowitz and still 90% of their viewed come from/to youtube [23:21] CrystalMath you didn't change your story when the Gates Foundation called your boss [23:21] MinceR schestowitz: indeed, but it's a bit of work to create a torrent, so i'm thinking of a way to do this without having to do it for every new post [23:21] CrystalMath but Ariadne apparently can [23:21] schestowitz www will always be dominant for at least the next 10 years [23:21] schestowitz at least [23:22] schestowitz we made the site a lot lighter [23:22] schestowitz fewer images etc. [23:22] *drazak (~androirc@45.55.142.104) has joined #techrights [23:22] schestowitz we might even move to static at some stage, as CMS stuff becomes a laughable hog. I tried wordpress the other day (latest build) and OMG, what a POS [23:22] schestowitz Guternberg and all [23:23] MinceR indeed we should move to static [23:23] MinceR it would make it easier for every mirror [23:23] schestowitz I was one of the key people in the first 1-3 years of wordpress [23:23] MinceR and it would make DDoS also much more difficult [23:23] schestowitz I still manage about 10 wordpress sites [23:23] schestowitz MinceR: we have a lot of static npw [23:23] schestowitz except wiki and blog [23:24] schestowitz wiki is hard to do as static, as it would no longer be a wiki per se [23:24] schestowitz blogging is hard to do statically for very large sites [23:24] schestowitz even ariadne gave up on flat text DB and moved to wordpress at the end [23:24] MinceR indeed wiki is difficult [23:24] schestowitz ariadne.space [23:24] MinceR how many people edit the wiki? [23:24] schestowitz we could self-host git branch for the site [23:25] schestowitz but then imagine how complex editing would be [23:25] MinceR the wiki could be redone on top of git, thoug [23:25] MinceR h [23:25] MinceR articles in flat files, people can clone the repo, edit the article and submit a pull request [23:25] MinceR or mail a patch [23:25] schestowitz for that you need to open up git to the world [23:25] schestowitz we still aren't sure when to release which code and in what form [23:25] MinceR the former wiki could be a separate repo [23:26] schestowitz it's agplv3 and we need to split things, as there are many different programs there [23:26] schestowitz bear in mind, I did convert some wikis to static befor [23:27] schestowitz e.g.e.g. http://schestowitz.com/iuron/discussion-i/About%20the%20project.html [23:27] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-schestowitz.com | About the project [23:27] schestowitz it used to be in iuron.com but I was being ripped off by domain registrar for a very small thing from 2005 [23:28] schestowitz http://schestowitz.com/iuron/discussion-i/November%202005.html [23:28] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-schestowitz.com | November 2005 [23:30] schestowitz CrystalMath: sorry to disappoint you, I am sincerely regretful you are not happy about this [23:30] schestowitz but I had an experience working with private hosts 2006-2008 [23:30] schestowitz didn't last long [23:30] schestowitz because pro-Novell people (I assume) decided to nuke us [23:31] CrystalMath well okay, suit yourself [23:31] CrystalMath i offered to help pay for it [23:31] CrystalMath for as long as Ariadne has *any* involvement, i will not give a cent to techrights [23:32] schestowitz that is called 'cancel culture' ^ [23:32] schestowitz when you say do X, or else [23:32] schestowitz specifically, dissociate from Y, or else [23:32] XRevan86 schestowitz: Beat me to it, I've been thinking about a perfect snarky reply. [23:32] CrystalMath err, no, i just can't support Ariadne [23:32] schestowitz we need to observe the risk of hypocrisy [23:33] XRevan86 CrystalMath: Ariadne just cannot support freenode. [23:33] CrystalMath i believe that she is doing horrible things to free software and now journalism too [23:33] schestowitz show me where ariadne affected my writings [23:33] CrystalMath but i agree that it sounds like cancel culture [23:33] schestowitz go ahead... [23:33] XRevan86 CrystalMath: And ye have managed to say that Ukraine is a terrorist country. [23:33] CrystalMath schestowitz: not the writings, but you're planning on leaving freenode because of her, and you said yourself earlier today that freenode is okay [23:33] schestowitz the pocock articles went south months ago because they became more combative, like the nazi tropes [23:34] CrystalMath XRevan86: well not really [23:34] schestowitz calling people nazis [23:34] CrystalMath XRevan86: just that its current leadership is kind of "war-mongering" [23:34] MinceR did RT say that? [23:34] schestowitz we put a plaster on mjg59's mouth because he made it VERY CLEAR that his SOLE intention here is to derail the site and the community [23:34] schestowitz which by some definition of Internet trolling... that is IT [23:35] XRevan86 CrystalMath: Ye have absolutely no clue what is going on in the region, and ye allow yourself to comment and judge. [23:35] *tagglink has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) [23:35] kn\ Hello. I live near the region [23:35] schestowitz Russian hosting is the last thing we want [23:35] schestowitz not offense to Russians [23:35] kn\ Russian aggression is no joke. [23:35] schestowitz they are among the victims of Internet suppression there [23:35] CrystalMath XRevan86: idk what you may be assuming, but i don't believe in attacking people to protect the sovereignty of your country, actually; i believe in allowing secession (and yes that means kosovo* too) [23:35] XRevan86 schestowitz: I agree. [23:36] CrystalMath * - i'm referring to the part of it that is clearly delineated that wishes to secede from serbia [23:36] schestowitz we have been a target from numerous sides [23:36] kn\ They are taking Georgian and Ukrainian lands that do not belong to them. Russia's government is the aggressors. Russian people are ok and most of them understand their government is terrible. [23:36] schestowitz because people (not corporate shills) don't like our free speech [23:36] schestowitz and many do trust the side, if they can ignore the shills [23:36] schestowitz *site [23:37] kn\ If you say anything against the Russian government or say something they don't like, they will take you offline. [23:37] XRevan86 CrystalMath: And the examples of such attacks are whichever your mum may have heard. [23:37] schestowitz a lot of our subject of campaigning is government abuse, e.g. EPO [23:37] schestowitz people leak to us, knowing it's hard to censor the material [23:38] XRevan86 kn\: schestowitz follows Meduza, which, as ye may know, is being under immense pressure right now. [23:38] schestowitz right now we publish across protocols to mitigate slapp risk [23:38] XRevan86 The foreign agent status is no joke. [23:38] schestowitz XRevan86: Ah.. those bloody "foreign agents" [23:38] schestowitz foreign [23:38] MinceR viktor orban likes foreign agent status he copied it [23:38] schestowitz .... to RIGA :0) [23:39] MinceR s/tus/tus so much/ [23:39] schestowitz duterte also [23:39] schestowitz https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2017/11/14/trump-chuckled-as-duterte-called-journalists-spies-thats-no-laughing-matter-in-the-philippines/ [23:39] schestowitz Marcosism [23:39] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.washingtonpost.com | Trump chuckled as Duterte called journalists spies. Thats no joke in the Philippines. - The Washington Post [23:39] XRevan86 https://meduza.io/en/feature/2021/05/21/mister-anti-globalization this article is art, by the way [23:39] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-meduza.io | NO TITLE [23:40] CrystalMath schestowitz: forget about DDoS-Guard, i only suggested them because they are notorious for hosting just about anything [23:40] kn\ I understand a lot of the things most of the world wouldn't seem to understand about the Russian aggression. A large part of it isn't covered through the world. [23:41] XRevan86 I'm sure CrystalMath will look closely at the anti-globalism rhetoric from a person that tried shutting down independent media. [23:41] kn\ XRevan86: he or she doesn't understand the world. [23:41] XRevan86 kn\: I literally said that. [23:41] kn\ yeah just repeating [23:42] kn\ Agreeing [23:44] XRevan86 I am not a person-judging kind, but CrystalMath is being so categorical and judgemental, while also being plainly hecking wrong, that I am rubbed the wrong way enough to make a stance. [23:44] kn\ A large part of the Georgian people here are suffering because the government doesn't seem to help but you will see Russians around the whole country living lavish life styles and paying off officials. The corruption here is really bad. [23:44] CrystalMath kn\: the way i see it, there was an illegal coup (maidan) that the eastern part of the country did not accept, so they made a desire to secede [23:45] CrystalMath "the way the world works" = america rules, great reset, globallization, making us all slaves? SCREW THAT [23:45] kn\ They didn't desire to secede. The Russian government corrupted to the vote and to order to prevent Ukraine from joining NATO [23:45] kn\ and the EU [23:45] kn\ You cannot join NATO with occupied lands. [23:45] CrystalMath i saw the vote, the eastern part voted one way, the western part voted another way [23:45] CrystalMath i was watching the vote in 2014 [23:46] kn\ Russia doesn't want NATO on their doorstep. [23:46] kn\ They did the same with Georgia. [23:46] CrystalMath of course not, NATO is dangerous [23:46] CrystalMath but that doesn't mean the eastern part of the country didn't vote for... what was his name, Yanukovich [23:46] CrystalMath kn\: if you want to know what my vote would be, i would certainly vote against NATO and against the EU, as i always do [23:47] kn\ Georgia was on its way to join NATO and Russia is occupying Georgian land and ethnic cleansing has been an issue since the Russo-Georgian war. [23:47] kn\ Where are you from? [23:47] kn\ Again [23:47] CrystalMath serbia [23:47] XRevan86 CrystalMath: So ye would've voted for the proffessor? I am sensing a pattern here. [23:47] kn\ Yeah so [23:47] kn\ Something is definitely wrong with you. [23:47] kn\ Russia's intentions are not good and they are very unsettling [23:47] XRevan86 kn\: Serbia is very pro-Putin, it's a miracle I haven't investigated yet. [23:47] CrystalMath that is true, and pro-Jinping as well [23:48] kn\ Russia is guilty of ethnic cleansing here in Georgia. [23:48] CrystalMath it's a very popular opinion here [23:48] CrystalMath kn\: i don't really know enough about the georgia situation [23:48] schestowitz it's bad... [23:48] XRevan86 CrystalMath: What ye should know beforehand is that Russia has *imperialistic* ambitions. [23:48] schestowitz media doesn't write about that much [23:49] kn\ South Ossetia and Abkhazia areas were seized by the Russian government to prevent Georgia from joining NATO [23:49] kn\ Now they're doing the same to Ukraine. [23:49] XRevan86 CrystalMath: And the situation in Crimea and Donbass evolved with active involvement of Russia. [23:49] CrystalMath let me try to recall.... didn't Sakashvilli start shelling some towns where russians live, and then russia stepped in? (keep in mind i've done no investigation myself, only listened to the news) [23:49] kn\ but NATO rules are subject to change and they're trying to find another way for Ukraine and Georgia to join [23:49] kn\ Ukraine deserves to be apart of NATO [23:50] CrystalMath kn\: because NATO has imperialistic intentions [23:50] CrystalMath always had [23:50] XRevan86 CrystalMath: Do ye know why Eastern Europe is so into that? [23:50] kn\ They made an agreement with NATO and the US if they were to give their nuclear arsenal up, they would be protected. [23:50] kn\ I live in the region. [23:50] kn\ I know how people feel [23:50] kn\ They are NOT pro Putin [23:50] XRevan86 CrystalMath: I agree with that this sucks, but from their point of view, they're securing themselves against an imperialistic neighbour. [23:51] CrystalMath but what if in a part of the country, pro-putin people do live? [23:51] XRevan86 while NATO doesn't bother them that much [23:51] CrystalMath this is why i dislike EU-style "liberals", they assume automatically that everyone WANTS to be under their rule [23:51] CrystalMath that's disgusting in and of itself [23:51] CrystalMath that assumption [23:52] kn\ CrystalMath: You know how stupid you sound though? When Georgia was apart of the USSR, the Russians/Soviets caused widespread hunger because of communism [23:52] XRevan86 CrystalMath: In 2014 Ukraine was very weird, and a lot of people got scared of the unknown. [23:52] XRevan86 * weak [23:52] kn\ I can guarantee you CrystalMath knows nothing about history [23:52] XRevan86 kn\: We don't need to involve Stalin into this. [23:52] kn\ CrystalMath Where was Joseph Stalin from? [23:52] CrystalMath XRevan86: okay so now you're denying that the people who voted pro-Yanukovich were thinking clearly [23:52] MinceR last time i checked, EU and NATO were organizations joined voluntarily [23:53] MinceR at least in hungary's case, both cases took a referendum [23:53] XRevan86 CrystalMath: A lot can happen in 4 years, and Yanuk crossed the line. [23:53] kn\ googlign [23:53] CrystalMath MinceR: after just a bit of force against the minority in your country, sure [23:53] kn\ googling [23:53] XRevan86 * 3.5 years [23:53] CrystalMath XRevan86: what did he do? [23:53] MinceR CrystalMath: what force? [23:53] CrystalMath besides win the election [23:53] kn\ Most Eastern European countries hate Russia [23:53] kn\ That is a fact [23:53] MinceR small wonder [23:53] XRevan86 CrystalMath: Sabotage the law-development process. [23:53] MinceR russian occupation does that to people [23:53] CrystalMath MinceR: "oh, 51% voted to join NATO, guess ALL of our taxes now go there" [23:54] kn\ They only rely on Russia because they are suppliers of cheap product and fossil fuels and natural gas [23:54] XRevan86 CrystalMath: Made agreements with whom he shouldn't have. [23:54] CrystalMath MinceR: that's why democracy is broken unless you have a way to secede [23:54] MinceR CrystalMath: no, hardly any of our taxes go there [23:54] MinceR CrystalMath: in fact, there were complaints that we have hardly any spending on the military [23:54] kn\ If you talk to actual citizens they realize Putin treats countries like puppets to spread his agenda and to assert power. [23:54] MinceR CrystalMath: democracy is broken because humans are stupid [23:54] XRevan86 kn\: I hope one day we will be able to mend this. [23:54] *Now talking on #techrights [23:54] CrystalMath MinceR: humans aren't stupid, humans have individual thoughts and individual decisions [23:55] CrystalMath they cannot be wrong [23:55] CrystalMath if i want to live under Putin's rule, i should have that possibility [23:55] kn\ You have to understand my views are coming from me as an American living here for many years now [23:55] MinceR yes, stupid thoughts and stupid decisions, usually [23:55] CrystalMath and i'm not wrong [23:55] XRevan86 Russia doesn't have to be a backwards country that tries to make friends with bribes and only makes enemies in the end. [23:55] kn\ I have a lot of friends that agree Putin and the Russian government are terrible [23:55] MinceR if you want to live under putin's rule, you should move to russia [23:55] kn\ Why do you think a lot of Russians moved to Georgia? [23:55] kn\ To get away from Putin [23:55] CrystalMath MinceR: if i say that i, for example, want to do something stupid to myself, then i'm not WRONG for it, because life has no fixed objectives - i can make anything up and do it [23:55] XRevan86 MinceR: . [23:55] samiamsam if you want to live under putin's rule, you should be prevented by putin's removal [23:55] kn\ Why do you think Putin poisoned his political rival? [23:56] kn\ He sees him as a threat because he was revealing the truth [23:56] MinceR CrystalMath: the way this is done, it usually sacrifices other people [23:56] *ChanServ sets mode +q #techrights schestowitz [23:56] XRevan86 MinceR: What if he takes Putin to Serbia instead, eh? [23:56] MinceR XRevan86: that harms other serbians [23:56] XRevan86 MinceR: A lot of them are like him. [23:56] MinceR and i should have said "move to putin's manor" since putin shouldn't get to rule russia either [23:56] CrystalMath XRevan86: though we don't have a write-in system, some people did count illegal votes for Putin and there were hundreds [23:56] XRevan86 MinceR: They have it coming, trust me. [23:56] samiamsam no one's preference can justify such a person as putin having any power over anyone [23:56] schestowitz 4 chans registered (I know it sounds weird [23:56] MinceR there should not be any states, megacorporations or churches at all [23:57] XRevan86 samiamsam: I know I am being cruel, it's just jokes. [23:57] Ariadne schestowitz: the ircd is running in the `ircd` container [23:57] kn\ I see where CrystalMath's views come from now [23:57] Ariadne i know [23:57] Ariadne obvious [23:57] kn\ Serbia is a propaganda state [23:57] Ariadne but i figured i would be clear on that [23:58] kn\ He/She believes the lies his state media sends out [23:58] MinceR "It's only game! Why you heff to be mad?" [23:58] MinceR https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xzpndHtdl9A [23:58] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Why you heff to be mad? (Original) - YouTube [23:58] XRevan86 MinceR: "It's not a game", he does say the article [23:59] CrystalMath MinceR: tbh i do feel like that about life [23:59] MinceR :) [23:59] CrystalMath but i don't appreciate it when some people start setting goals for all of us, goals i don't share [23:59] MinceR well, the goal is already set for all of us: extinction [23:59] MinceR we're doing pretty well [23:59] CrystalMath i'm fine with that one [23:59] XRevan86 CrystalMath: What's awesome is when Putin does. [23:59] kn\ CrystalMath: I didn't realize you were the dictator in chief here ● [:] ---------------- MERGED IN: Self-hosted IRC logs below [:] - chanserv> set # set #techrights guard on [:] MinceR hi [:] schestowitz hi :-) [:] MinceR hm, forgot ipv6 [:] schestowitz yes, I struggle to set that up [:] schestowitz cpanel not linking that address for aaa record [:] MinceR i mean i forgot to specify it :) [:] MinceR but then i guess it would have failed anyway [:] schestowitz [23:43] [Notice] -ChanServ- That channel is not registered [:] schestowitz [23:44] [Notice] -NickServ- Account created [:] schestowitz [23:44] [Notice] -NickServ- You're now logged in as schestowitz [:] [:] Ariadne i need bcrypt hashes [:] Ariadne from you guys [:] Ariadne to set up ircop access [:] Ariadne https://www.mkpasswd.net/ [:] Ariadne select bcrypt explicitly [:] Ariadne be sure to register the channel with ChanServ as well [:] schestowitz will do [:] [:] [:] schestowitz 4 chans registered (I know it sounds weird [:] Ariadne schestowitz: the ircd is running in the `ircd` container [:] Ariadne i know [:] Ariadne obvious [:] Ariadne but i figured i would be clear on that [:] [:] [:] [:] schestowitz__ odd... /oper caused my connection to restart sort of [:] Ariadne oh [:] Ariadne it kicked you, 'password incorrect' [:] Ariadne worked that time [:] schestowitz__ ok, did ok now [:] schestowitz__ does it have 'guard on' supported? [:] schestowitz__ /CS HELP says not [:] Ariadne not needed [:] schestowitz__ yeah, I was not sure [:] schestowitz__ just followed my plain text manuals from the olden days.. [:] schestowitz__ I will need to do some coding for managing irc logs etc. [:] Ariadne in this ircd, the services are built into the ircd [:] schestowitz__ that might take some time, but no rush [:] schestowitz__ the freenode channel was getting off-topic very often [:] schestowitz__ I will try to release some articles around 1am, barely slept... [:] Ariadne yes i hope that with techrights being here that there will be less people just dropping in to troll [:] Ariadne :P [:] schestowitz__ trolling is proportional to impact [:] schestowitz__ either [:] schestowitz__ 1) the subject of criticism trying to derail [:] schestowitz__ 2) other causes infiltrating to interject themselves onto something [:] schestowitz__ but 1 never equals 2 [:] schestowitz__ EPO is in chaos now [:] Ariadne yes, the (2) is what i wonder about :) [:] schestowitz__ they used to spy on our IRC channels and wrote reports about them [:] schestowitz__ they leaked out [:] schestowitz__ (this month we published some) [:] schestowitz__ EPO panicked [:] schestowitz__ Ariadne: thanks anyway, you've put all the key pieces in place, I could not be more grateful, this is something we planned even last year but lacked the skillset to do [:] Ariadne could have just asked :p [:] schestowitz__ I won't advertise this network yet... need to make lots of changes to code like the irc log pipelines [:] schestowitz__ maybe do a "public" announcement some time next month [:] [:] Ariadne no [:]