●● IRC: #techrights @ Techrights IRC Network: Friday, July 29, 2022 ●● ● Jul 29 [00:00] TR News KF5s big ramp of deprecations to KF6 Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167775 https://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/07/28/KF5s_big_ramp_of_deprecations_to_KF6.shtml #news [00:00] TR Bot KF5s big ramp of deprecations to KF6 | Tux Machines [00:00] TR Bot KF5s big ramp of deprecations to KF6 [00:00] TR News Godot 3.5 RC 8, Godot 4.0 alpha 13, and More Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167776 https://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/07/28/Godot_3.5_RC_8,_Godot_4.0_alpha_13,_and_More.shtml #news [00:00] TR Bot Godot 3.5 RC 8, Godot 4.0 alpha 13, and More | Tux Machines [00:00] TR Bot Godot 3.5 RC 8, Godot 4.0 alpha 13, and More [00:01] matey psydroid: this is pretty true to the original story [00:01] matey for whatever reason they decided to go very original with the visuals [00:02] XRevan86 "but i imagine this is incredibly russian" <- " " :) [00:03] XRevan86 matey: https://torpod.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/06/vhod.jpg this can hint on what that phrase means [00:03] *psymin has quit (Quit: Leaving) [00:03] *psymin has quit (Quit: Leaving) [00:03] TR News Severe flaw. : Exploitable remotely. Yes, Microsoft Windows, but CISA goes out of its way to cover that up. "C:\Program files\MELSOF" https://www.cisa.gov/uscert/ics/advisories/icsa-20-212-02 [00:03] TR Bot Mitsubishi Electric Factory Automation Engineering Software (Update C) | CISA [00:04] XRevan86 Don't know how to even translate " .". Maybe "Restricted A."? [00:04] TR News CISA/NSA: back doors are desirable, just be sure to keep quiet about them... [00:04] matey :) [00:05] TR News "Due to an XML external entity reference, the software parses XML in the backup/restore functionality without XML security flags, which may lead to a XXE attack while restoring the backup." https://www.cisa.gov/uscert/ics/advisories/icsa-22-207-01 [00:05] TR Bot Inductive Automation Ignition | CISA [00:05] TR News Openwashing https://www.phoronix.com/news/Raptor-Arctic-Tern-BMC [00:05] TR Bot Launches Arctic Tern As An Open-Source BMC Solution - Phoronix [00:05] XRevan86 Don't know what translator had in mind with "Trespassers Will". "Will" what? Shot on Sight? [00:06] TR News Use of a Broken or Risky Cryptographic Algorithmhttps://www.cisa.gov/uscert/ics/advisories/icsa-22-207-03 [00:07] matey thats the joke [00:07] matey there WAS a sign that said something like [00:07] matey trespassers will be shot [00:07] matey but half the sign is missing [00:07] matey so it just says [00:07] matey trespassers will [00:07] matey and will is short for william [00:07] TR News Brittany Day publishing HEY HI Bullshit. This is what happens when you let MARKETING people (or geneticists) become a "voice" for Linux 'security'... https://linuxsecurity.com/features/what-is-the-impact-of-ai-on-cybersecurity-3-interesting-use-cases [00:07] TR Bot What Is the Impact of AI on Cybersecurity? 3 Interesting Use Cases [00:08] matey so its assumed (with intended naivety) that will is a person who once lived there [00:08] XRevan86 matey: That works. More grim that the source though :) [00:08] matey well, it doesnt have to say "be shot" [00:08] matey could be "be prosecuted" [00:08] matey but its in the woods, so its just a guess [00:08] XRevan86 Left to the imagination. [00:08] TR News LOL. "Are current AI trends and principles part of your cybersecurity strategy?" It's all in the HEY HI. Watch our for sinister HEY HI! HEY HI HEY HI HEY HI HEY HI HEY HI HEY HI HEY HI [00:08] matey indeed [00:09] matey its one of those jokes that the kids might not get [00:09] matey but the grownups reading to their kids can giggle at [00:09] matey bullwinkle was FULL of those [00:09] matey and some were even a bit naughty [00:10] TR News I didn't know servers were clowns and algorithms are "HEY HI" until journalism died and the vacuum got filled with lying marketing bunnies [00:10] matey at one point theyre being chased by a "grand vizier" [00:10] matey which rhymes with "brassiere" [00:10] matey and one person mishears this [00:10] TR News "The affected product is vulnerable to an out-of-bounds write that may allow an attacker to overwrite values in memory, causing a denial-of-service condition or potentially bricking the device" https://www.cisa.gov/uscert/ics/advisories/icsa-22-207-04 [00:10] TR Bot MOXA NPort 5110 | CISA [00:11] matey and repeats "and one grand brassiere" [00:11] matey "yeah..." [00:11] matey and this is very much a kids show, dating back to black and white [00:11] matey but its funny [00:16] TR News libadwaita: Fixing Usability Problems on the Linux Desktop Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167777 https://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/07/28/libadwaita:_Fixing_Usability_Problems_on_the_Linux_Desktop.shtml #news [00:16] TR Bot libadwaita: Fixing Usability Problems on the Linux Desktop | Tux Machines [00:16] TR Bot libadwaita: Fixing Usability Problems on the Linux Desktop [00:17] matey Antitrust Action Against Microsoft is Well Overdue <- wont happen [00:17] XRevan86 https://youtu.be/aYqA58N3sEE [00:17] TR Bot https://invidious.weblibre.org/watch?v=aYqA58N3sEE [00:17] TR Bot invidious.weblibre.org | Winnie The Pooh The Little Black Rain Cloud - Invidious [00:17] matey antitrust vs microsoft is like musket vs a fleet of drones [00:18] TR News Microsoft does not need to buy Canonical if it already controls Canonical https://www.neowin.net/news/ubuntu-confidential-virtual-machines-come-to-microsoft-azure/ [00:18] TR Bot Ubuntu Confidential Virtual Machines come to Microsoft Azure - Neowin [00:19] matey thats the one, XRevan86 [00:19] TR News Security: Bugs, Samba Flaw, CISAs Deja Vu, and More Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167778 https://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/07/28/Security:_Bugs,_Samba_Flaw,_CISA%27s_Deja_Vu,_and_More.shtml #news [00:19] TR Bot Security: Bugs, Samba Flaw, CISA's Deja Vu, and More | Tux Machines [00:19] TR Bot Security: Bugs, Samba Flaw, CISA's Deja Vu, and More [00:19] XRevan86 matey: A whole action scene :) [00:19] matey a very familiar one from childhood [00:20] *XRevan86 never saw it. [00:20] matey we had that on BETAmax [00:20] XRevan86 Until now of course. [00:20] matey it must be weird to see the western version [00:20] matey for the first time [00:20] XRevan86 I've seen some episodes of it, not this one. [00:20] TR News I wish I could taper off my meds gemini://hyperreal.coffee/gemlog/2022-07-28-wish-I-could-taper-off-meds.gmi [00:21] matey the animation was very familiar for those who saw the book illustrations [00:21] matey id say the book was more old-fashioned (understandably) and the animation was more cute [00:22] matey but they were similar nonetheless [00:22] matey obviously the book animations were sparse by comparison, so a lot had to be imagined and elaborated on [00:22] matey and i hate disney, but i like tron and this as well [00:22] XRevan86 matey: Disney makes a lot of good stuff. [00:23] matey the original tron was disney [00:23] matey they do [00:23] XRevan86 Which is practically a given considering the sheer volume %) [00:23] matey theyre a bit like debian [00:23] matey they get some very talented people [00:23] matey then treat them like shit [00:23] matey then benefit from their efforts [00:23] XRevan86 matey: I've seen Tron, never really got into it though. [00:24] matey it helps to be a kid in the 80s [00:24] XRevan86 The visuals are interesting but the story is not my thing. [00:24] matey if the idea is to find tron amazing [00:24] matey it isnt strictly required, but it surely helps [00:24] XRevan86 Tron: Legacy is terrible regardless at least :) [00:24] matey yeah a lot of it was visuals [00:25] matey yeah but im a sucker for short black hair [00:25] TR News Fedora / Red Hat Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167779 https://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/07/28/Fedora__Red_Hat_Leftovers.shtml #news [00:25] matey /me blames barbara feldon [00:25] TR Bot Fedora / Red Hat Leftovers | Tux Machines [00:25] TR Bot Fedora / Red Hat Leftovers [00:26] DaemonFC Okay I give up. [00:26] DaemonFC Now I'm just in the Matrix rooms bridged into Libera so that idiot can't get rid of me directly anymore with a k-line. [00:31] TR News While Lenovo BLOCKS Linux for booting on other laptop, serving Microsoft's agenda... https://www.digitaltrends.com/dtdeals/lenovo-thinkpad-x1-carbon-gen-9-deal-lenovo-july-2022/ [00:31] TR Bot This Lenovo ThinkPad with Linux just got a $1,000 price cut | Digital Trends [00:31] TR News Todays #HowTos | #UNIX Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167780 https://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/07/28/howtos_2.shtml #news [00:31] TR Bot today's howtos | Tux Machines [00:31] TR Bot today's howtos [00:34] *Skywave (~SkywaveC3@rxcktcqjdd7au.irc) has joined #techrights [00:38] TR News Canonical Says It "Want[s] to be the Best Open-Source Company in the World", Then Promotes Microsofts Proprietary Surveillance While Microsoft Attacks Linux Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167781 [00:38] TR Bot Canonical Says It "Want[s] to be the Best Open-Source Company in the World", Then Promotes Microsoft's Proprietary Surveillance While Microsoft Attacks Linux | Tux Machines [00:39] *matey has quit (connection closed) [00:48] *rianne_ has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [00:48] *liberty_box has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [00:50] *rianne has quit (Ping timeout: 120 seconds) [00:51] *rianne_ (~rianne@k66x6u69vmfv8.irc) has joined #techrights [00:51] *rianne (~rianne@freenode-310.q8k.ese45h.IP) has joined #techrights [00:51] *liberty_box (~liberty@k66x6u69vmfv8.irc) has joined #techrights [00:51] DaemonFC For whatever reason, LIBERAL chat doesn't try to do anything about me when I'm on there through Matrix. [00:56] TR News Server: pg_ivm 1.2, System Administration, CNCF, Google, and Microsofts Ongoing Demise Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167782 https://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/07/28/IVM_Development_Group_is_pleased_to_announce_the_release_of_pg_ivm_12.shtml #news [00:56] TR Bot Server: pg_ivm 1.2, System Administration, CNCF, Google, and Microsoft's Ongoing Demise | Tux Machines [00:56] TR Bot Server: pg_ivm 1.2, System Administration, CNCF, Google, and Microsoft's Ongoing Demise [00:57] TR News Programming Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167783 https://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/07/28/programming_2.shtml #news [00:57] TR Bot Programming Leftovers | Tux Machines [00:57] TR Bot Programming Leftovers [00:58] TR News Todays Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167784 https://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/07/28/leftovers_2.shtml #news [00:58] TR Bot today's leftovers | Tux Machines [00:58] TR Bot today's leftovers [00:59] IPFS IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 31.43 k/sec., IPFS upstream 4.38 average k/sec., average swarm size 0 [00:59] TR News Links 28/07/2022: Canonical is Promoting Microsoft Again, OPNsense 22.7 Released, and Apache ShenYu Becomes Top-Level Project (TLP) | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/07/28/canonical-promoting-microsoft/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/07/28/canonical-promoting-microsoft/ [00:59] TR Bot Links 28/07/2022: Canonical is Promoting Microsoft Again, OPNsense 22.7 Released, and Apache ShenYu Becomes Top-Level Project (TLP) | Techrights ● Jul 29 [01:01] TR News Microsoft apologists at it again https://mjg59.dreamwidth.org/60654.html [01:01] TR Bot mjg59 | UEFI rootkits and UEFI secure boot [01:02] TR News 10 years ago: "Much to our regret, Garrett has recently been an apologist for Microsofts anti-competitive UEFI scheme" http://techrights.org/2012/11/05/matthew-garrett/ [01:02] TR Bot Garrett a Microsoft Apologist | Techrights [01:03] TR News The person who caused the problems now pretends to be the rescuer offering redemption. [01:03] *Redfoxmoon has quit (Ping timeout: 120 seconds) [01:04] TR News Proprietary, proprietary, proprietary, proprietary, proprietary, proprietary, proprietary... some "alternatives", eh? https://www.maketecheasier.com/google-forms-alternatives/ [01:04] TR Bot 8 Free Alternatives to Google Forms - Make Tech Easier [01:04] TR News How to install LeoCAD on Pop!_OS 22.04 - Invidious https://yewtu.be/watch?v=yINeROgUcHY | Gemini address: gemini://auragem.space/youtube/video/yINeROgUcHY [01:04] TR Bot How to install LeoCAD on Pop!_OS 22.04 - Invidious [01:06] TR News Starship Troopers: Terran Command. 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[01:15] TR News GNU/Linux users, LINUX FOUNDATION IS NOT YOUR FRIEND!!! http://techrights.org/wiki/Linux_Foundation#July_2022 [01:15] TR Bot Linux Foundation - Techrights [01:21] TR News Re Error Handling gemini://gemini.hitchhiker-linux.org/gemlog/re_error_handling.gmi [01:38] *GNUmoon2 has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [01:39] *GNUmoon2 (~GNUmoon@pzeavskfbwhvk.irc) has joined #techrights [01:42] *britney has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [01:52] *britney (~britney@muarsy2vret2q.irc) has joined #techrights [01:59] IPFS IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 31.43 k/sec., IPFS upstream 4.38 average k/sec., average swarm size 0 ● Jul 29 [02:07] *GNUmoon2 has quit (Remote host closed the connection) [02:08] *GNUmoon2 (~GNUmoon@gateway/tor-sasl/gnumoon) has joined #techrights [02:19] *alextee has quit (Quit: Leaving) [02:23] MinceR 29 002912 < psydruid> the Russian Winnie the Pooh is a cynical bastard, which makes him much more relatable [02:23] MinceR and apparently exhales lighter-than-air gas [02:31] *horseface (~horseface@z2shj3qgj4qp8.irc) has joined #techrights [02:33] *horseface has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [02:36] TR News Yesterday's #boycottnovell-social and #techpol IRC logs ready. 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[03:02] DaemonFC They're in the #politics room so either they're a narc or they're an IRC op, so I suppose I should scout out the rooms and see if they're in that one, and stay out of the ones they're in. Seems to just be a few. [03:02] DaemonFC Then I can sneak around without that one noticing me. [03:05] IPFS Gemini requests since start of month: 359447 total Total number of pages in capsule: 41904 Active: active (running) since Fri 2022-05-27 10:17:06 BST; 2 months 1 days ago [03:06] IPFS IPFS local node stats (bandwidth since last reset) calculated. TotalIn: 10 MB TotalOut: 1.7 MB [03:07] IPFS New daily bulletin is now being generated and assembled. [03:09] IPFS QmXggz4ZzdoNrnyGD87xZXV7EnECHikMc7N5PUE6qSiZ7Y [03:09] IPFS New daily bulletin has just been added to IPFS, hereon retrievable with the CID above. [03:16] *liberty_box has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [03:16] *rianne_ has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [03:17] *rianne has quit (Ping timeout: 120 seconds) [03:59] IPFS IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 31.00 k/sec., IPFS upstream 4.53 average k/sec., average swarm size 293.15 ● Jul 29 [04:06] psydruid There should be another schism in Liberia, so the number of users gets halved again [04:06] *GNUmoon2 has quit (connection closed) [04:06] *GNUmoon2 (~GNUmoon@c53wmwbdesx7c.irc) has joined #techrights [04:07] DaemonFC schestowitz https://baronhk.wordpress.com/2022/07/29/fedora-removes-creative-commons-cc0-licensed-software-leaves-fraunhofer-aac-bonus-use-opus-instead-of-aac/ [04:07] TR Bot Fedora removes Creative Commons CC0-licensed software; leaves Fraunhofer AAC. Bonus: Use Opus instead of AAC. BaronHK's Rants [04:09] DaemonFC Still tweaking it. [04:09] *horseface (~horseface@zisfjvu4z99eq.irc) has joined #techrights [04:11] MinceR is there a better public domain equivalent license? [04:12] DaemonFC "(MP3 patents are expired as of 2017, and its very widely used even now, but Fraunhofer pressured the media to lie and suggest you couldnt use it anymore due to being in the public domain. The media in the US is very corrupt and usually spins losses for corporations as a negative thing, even when they benefit the public. Such as with generic prescription drugs.)" [04:16] britney most of my music is in ALAC format, apple lossless, which has an open source decoder with a patent waiver [04:20] MinceR i have music in all sorts of formats, but ALAC is not one of them :> [04:20] MinceR plenty of lossless formats though [04:21] britney i used alac because i have an iphone [04:21] *u-amarsh04 has quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!) [04:22] MinceR i am blissfully free of hypePhones :> [04:22] britney my next phone is going to be an android [04:22] britney or maybe a pinephone [04:28] *u-amarsh04 (~amarsh04@5tcc2vuaj9aks.irc) has joined #techrights [04:37] britney https://www.pine64.org/pinephonepro/ [04:37] TR Bot PinePhone Pro | PINE64 [04:42] phanes too bad there's not any apps for it [04:44] bnchs >phone that runs GNU/Linux [04:44] bnchs >apps [04:44] MinceR pretty sure GNU/Linux "apps" run on it [04:44] phanes o rly? check your bank account with it [04:45] MinceR it has several web browsers with which that could be done, if you have the patience [04:45] MinceR (though the pro probably handles it better than the non-pro) [04:45] phanes you know some banks will only let you do transfers through the app [04:45] MinceR also, i didn't know bank accounts were the sole purpose of "apps" [04:45] bnchs >some banks will only let you do transfers through the apps [04:45] bnchs then change banks [04:45] phanes sounds like excuses [04:45] MinceR maybe find a bank that doesn't suck so hard [04:45] bnchs fuck banks that do that kind of bullshit [04:46] phanes >"we launched an app platform that substitutes web browsers for daily use applications common to all of its known competitors" [04:47] bnchs not everyone uses phones [04:47] phanes >not everyone uses phones [04:47] bnchs and? [04:48] phanes i mean, if you dont see the fail there, explaining it isn't going to help you [04:49] phanes in any case i hope it does well, it'll need to build bridges with product teams to make it viable [04:49] MinceR 29 054629 < phanes> >"we launched an app platform that substitutes web browsers for daily use applications common to all of its known competitors" [04:49] MinceR where is this from? [04:51] britney i don't have a bullshit bank, they support any browser [04:51] MinceR i have a bullshit bank and they still support several browsers [04:52] phanes look im just saying, if you don't use your bank's app, you're probably not doing much with your bank [04:52] phanes its one example of all of the apps that a person uses heavily through any given day [04:53] phanes its a good platform idea with a poorly thought out implementation [04:53] britney the problem with android is that a lot of phones simply won't work with LineageOS [04:53] britney you gotta do research before buying [04:54] phanes yeah [04:54] phanes lineage supports up to samsung M20 [04:54] britney i dont want some bullshit firmware with apps i cant remove [04:54] phanes sounds like i gotta wait a few years to try it out [04:54] MinceR i stopped using my bank's app when they decided they force a replacement and then charge a monthly fee for the new app, just as i was considering switching banks anyway [04:55] britney oddly enough the google pixel phones are firmware friendly [04:55] MinceR oh, and also, the signup process for the new app was also a lot of pain [04:55] phanes im pretty happy with my s22 but admittedly i severely dislike android [04:55] MinceR too bad google pixel phones are not memory card friendly [04:56] MinceR and not headset friendly either [04:56] phanes they try-harded the marketing for mine though its like this big wall of text for the name when you boot it up, its like SAMSUNG GALAXY ULTRA PLUS 22 or something like that [04:56] MinceR samsung branding as usual [04:56] phanes like if you hold it wrong it might blast off into space [04:56] britney the only thing i dislike about ios is that i cant put music on it with linux :/ [04:57] britney so i dont plan to get another iphone because of that [04:57] phanes i dont touch anything apple [04:57] MinceR i'm not going to list the things i dislike about hypeOS [04:57] MinceR i'll take that time and spend it on sleep instead [04:57] britney lol [04:58] phanes what i also dislike about android is they found a way to pretend its linux while somehow making you unable to use anything but the vendor-provided image [04:59] IPFS IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 30.66 k/sec., IPFS upstream 4.86 average k/sec., average swarm size 305.41 [04:59] phanes thousand dollar phone and i can't control what software i run on it [04:59] britney the vendor provided images are often worse than ios ● Jul 29 [05:02] *liberty_box (~liberty@k66x6u69vmfv8.irc) has joined #techrights [05:02] *rianne_ (~rianne@k66x6u69vmfv8.irc) has joined #techrights [05:02] *rianne (~rianne@freenode-310.q8k.ese45h.IP) has joined #techrights [05:17] *britney has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [05:38] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has left #techrights [05:38] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has joined #techrights [05:44] phanes anybody know if http/3 is being adopted at all outside of marketing teams for google? [05:45] *britney (~britney@muarsy2vret2q.irc) has joined #techrights [05:45] *phobos (~phobos@freenode-8o6.2md.iiqroa.IP) has joined #techrights [05:46] *AdmFubar (~mradmin@ngqaam7baxnug.irc) has joined #techrights [05:59] IPFS IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 33.18 k/sec., IPFS upstream 4.95 average k/sec., average swarm size 308.20 ● Jul 29 [06:05] *phobos has quit (Ping timeout: 120 seconds) [06:05] *phobos (~phobos@freenode-8o6.2md.iiqroa.IP) has joined #techrights [06:07] AdmFubar https://techcrunch.com/2022/07/28/lot-the-big-tech-anti-patent-troll-group-launches-adapt-to-tackle-inclusion-in-the-world-of-ip/ [06:07] TR Bot the anti-patent-troll group, launches Adapt to tackle inclusion in the world of IP TechCrunch [06:30] IPFS () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-07-28.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-07-29.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi [06:38] *phobos has quit (Ping timeout: 120 seconds) [06:42] *britney has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [06:42] schestowitz[TR2] lol [06:42] schestowitz[TR2] inclusion [06:42] schestowitz[TR2] in a RACKET [06:42] schestowitz[TR2] thery are not anti-troll group [06:42] schestowitz[TR2] they include trolls like Microsoft [06:42] psydruid this is hilarious [06:42] schestowitz[TR2] AOL now issues paid-for flugg for bad people [06:43] schestowitz[TR2] http://techrights.org/2020/03/27/the-lot-network-paper-club/ [06:43] TR Bot LOT Network is a One-Man (Millionaires) Operation and Why This Should Alarm You | Techrights [06:43] psydruid activelow is antagonizing lots of linux sunxi developers with the rhetoric he displayed here before and they aren't taking it in kind [06:46] schestowitz[TR2] hhas SJVN issued his puff piece about it yet [06:46] schestowitz[TR2] They pay him to do this in ZDNet [06:46] schestowitz[TR2] psydruid: in libera.chat? 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[06:48] psydruid he's the modern German version of Don Quijote [06:48] schestowitz[TR2] LOT Network [06:48] schestowitz[TR2] wasting money buying the media [06:48] schestowitz[TR2] that's what they do [06:48] psydruid still tilting at windmills all these centuries later [06:50] TR News #Techrights Bulletin for Thursday, July 28, 2022 http://techrights.org/txt full archive: http://techrights.org/txt-archives #gnu #linux #freesw #plaintext [06:50] TR Bot Bulletin Archives [06:50] psydruid "aggi: yes, facts are facts, your interpretation of them is kind of cringe" [06:50] TR News #Techrights full #IPFS index updated just now http://techrights.org/ipfs available as plain text @ http://techrights.org/ipfs/txt #dweb #sharing [06:50] TR Bot Techrights Full IPFS Index [06:51] psydruid "I understand that if you want to self-bootstrap on an embedded board c++ compilers are a problem but that does not make them non-free, that's just delusional" [06:51] TR News Firefox 104 Enters Beta Testing with Two-Finger Swipe Back/Forward Gesture on Linux Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167785 [06:51] TR Bot Firefox 104 Enters Beta Testing with Two-Finger Swipe Back/Forward Gesture on Linux | Tux Machines [06:54] schestowitz[TR2] psydruid: bettter there than here tbh [06:54] psydruid indeed [06:55] psydruid he finally figured out he didn't have an audience here anymore [06:55] TR News [cat] gemini://nytpu.com/sneps/D306.jpg [06:56] TR News Why Not Oberon? gemini://54.203.8.106/why.not.oberon.gmi [06:57] TR News "Yup, any day now, it'll be "there's an AI for that!" instead of last decade's "there's an App for that!"." gemini://54.203.8.106/theres.an.ai.for.that.gmi [06:57] TR News Just Writing gemini://josias.dev/gemlog/just-writing.gmi [06:58] *britney (~britney@muarsy2vret2q.irc) has joined #techrights [06:59] IPFS IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 31.55 k/sec., IPFS upstream 15.05 average k/sec., average swarm size 232.36 [06:59] TR News "I deleted Facebook a couple years in, avoided most of the other services, and let my online presence eventually turn into just... a sort of resume. 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In ONE MONTH. https://gs.statcounter.com/os-market-share#monthly-200901-202207 [07:46] TR Bot Operating System Market Share Worldwide | Statcounter Global Stats [07:48] *DaemonFC (~daemonfc@3mqrk8fvmfdji.irc) has joined #techrights [07:49] TR News "Here are the slides I presented for a ClickHouse SF Bay Area Meetup in July2022, hosted by Altinity. 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[08:12] matey "no, im sorry eeyore" [08:12] matey "doesnt matter." [08:13] matey actually gophers a character (and his name) so it could be [08:13] matey "pooh, have you seen gopher?" [08:13] matey "no, eeyore, not today" [08:13] matey "neither have i. but hes there." 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[08:32] DaemonFC /me wonders why owl is dressed as a babushka, but its fine [08:32] DaemonFC Obvious homosexual propaganda. [08:32] DaemonFC XRevan86? [08:35] TR News Windows Has Had a Very Tough Year (Thats Why Microsoft Starts to Block GNU/Linux With Secure Boot) | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/07/29/tough-windows-year/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/07/29/tough-windows-year/ [08:35] TR Bot Windows Has Had a Very Tough Year (Thats Why Microsoft Starts to Block GNU/Linux With Secure Boot) | Techrights [08:36] TR News The worst summer with COVID-19 so far. https://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2022/07/29/worst-summer-covid/ [08:36] TR Bot Blog Archive A Tale of Three COVID Summers, as Told by UK Hospitals [08:40] XRevan86 DaemonFC, matey: The owl is female in this version. [08:41] XRevan86 matey: Let me guess, activelow is harassing them over C features used. 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[08:58] *liberty_box has quit (connection closed) [08:59] IPFS IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 31.55 k/sec., IPFS upstream 15.05 average k/sec., average swarm size 0 [08:59] *britney has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) ● Jul 29 [09:01] *horseface (~horseface@fasbtmdvdwu9a.irc) has joined #techrights [09:01] TR News Microsoft Bribing Everyone: Canonical, Linux Foundation, OSI... (Those That Should Push Back Against Microsoft Crimes) | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/07/29/bribing-the-rivals/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/07/29/bribing-the-rivals/ [09:01] TR Bot Microsoft Bribing Everyone: Canonical, Linux Foundation, OSI (Those That Should Push Back Against Microsoft Crimes) | Techrights [09:06] *britney (~britney@muarsy2vret2q.irc) has joined #techrights [09:06] *u-amarsh04 has quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!) 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Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-07-28.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-07-29.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi [09:37] matey /me is mesmerised by the simplicity (it is inefficient at least) of an algorithm he wrote [09:37] matey im not great at this stuff, never claimed to be [09:38] matey but what it does is let you pipe text in, and it sorts the text by linecount per "group" [09:38] matey a group being 1 or more consecutive lines without any blank lines between [09:40] matey so if you concatenate 3 walls of text that are 170, 50 and 128 lines each [09:40] matey it will give you those back with the 50-line one first, then the 128-line one, etc [09:41] matey theres only one buffer (a list) and no dictionaries and no sort command / function [09:41] matey i was SUPER lazy that day, or i might have traded simplicity for efficiency or something [09:42] matey but i was trying to figure out how the program worked, as i wrote it some time ago, and i opened it up to look at the code and i was like [09:42] matey /me turns it upside down, looks behind the screen [09:42] matey THATS IT? [09:42] matey wheres the rest of it [09:42] matey its not really bragging if you know its not great [09:43] matey but it still impresses me [09:44] matey if i had made it more efficient, btw, it might use a lot more ram [09:44] matey and i wanted it to work on large files [09:44] matey but i could have designed it better [09:45] matey presently its working on 15mb of text [09:47] *horseface (~horseface@zisfjvu4z99eq.irc) has joined #techrights [09:49] TR News [Meme] Truly a Landmark Occasion | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/07/29/epo-landmark-occasion/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/07/29/epo-landmark-occasion/ [09:49] TR Bot [Meme] Truly a Landmark Occasion | Techrights [09:51] matey with the voices, animation and facial expressions, vinnie pooh really makes me think of south park [09:52] matey when vinnie pooh walks and sings, hes basically marching, which i think is priceless [09:53] matey the original pooh doesnt march, its something he basically never does [09:53] matey pooh isnt militant-- of course, it was never forbidden :) [09:54] schestowitz[TR2] vinnie winnie? [09:54] schestowitz[TR2] matey: http://techrights.org/2022/07/29/bribing-the-rivals/ [09:54] schestowitz[TR2] OSI [09:54] TR Bot Microsoft Bribing Everyone: Canonical, Linux Foundation, OSI (Those That Should Push Back Against Microsoft Crimes) | Techrights [09:55] schestowitz[TR2] OSILF [09:55] schestowitz[TR2] LFISO [09:55] matey its still a very childlike marching [09:55] schestowitz[TR2] LSOF [09:55] schestowitz[TR2] ls open files [09:55] matey OSILF <- osi id like to fuck? [09:55] schestowitz[TR2] Linux and Source Open Foundation [09:55] matey open source id like to fuck [09:55] matey no, but it can get fucked anyway [09:56] schestowitz[TR2] MILF = https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moro_Islamic_Liberation_Front [09:56] TR Bot Moro Islamic Liberation Front - Wikipedia [09:56] matey ROFL [09:56] matey ive seen that [09:56] schestowitz[TR2] ok [09:56] schestowitz[TR2] it's more famous [09:56] matey its still funny [09:56] schestowitz[TR2] but not in USlansd [09:56] matey i mean anyone who uses wikipedia has fair odds of seeing it sooner or later [09:57] schestowitz[TR2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moro_conflict [09:57] TR Bot Moro conflict - Wikipedia [09:57] matey disambiguation pages are priceless sometimes [09:57] schestowitz[TR2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autonomous_Region_in_Muslim_Mindanao [09:57] TR Bot Autonomous Region in Muslim Mindanao - Wikipedia [09:57] matey you dont have to know anything about the politics to stumble onto that article [09:57] matey this is the genius of wikipedia [09:57] matey its certainly not in their deletion mob, erm, "process" [09:57] matey candidates for speedy lynching [09:58] matey its an imperfect process to be sure [09:59] matey but it definitely overlaps with little wannabe fascist toddler spite brigades [09:59] matey hopefully they lead lives that are just as miserable as phanes would guess they do ● Jul 29 [10:00] matey "tiny little hitlers" <- donald glovers take on what kids are really like [10:01] matey he means small children [10:01] matey "kids are awful, awful people" :) [10:02] matey hes not excluding himself when he was a kid. hes saying they all are [10:02] matey kids are people that havent figured out how to be human yet [10:02] matey thats the joke anyway [10:03] matey if he was entirely serious it wouldnt be comedy, or something [10:04] matey you can extend this to wikipedia in a similar fashion, but i (technically) wont [10:08] matey the number of times ive gone to wikipedia to look something up only to find it was gone makes it somewhat of a farce [10:08] matey its extremely useful anyway obviously [10:08] matey but the overall sentiment is one of disgust [10:09] matey i like wikipedia but i hate it that much more [10:09] matey people must think i hate everything, but that isnt remotely true [10:09] matey the things i hate the most are things that used to be great, before someone fucked them up [10:09] matey a lot of the stuff on wp is great-- before someone fucks it up [10:09] matey debian was (imo) great before someone fucked it up [10:10] matey the fsf was definitely great before someone fucked it up [10:10] matey some things are still great [10:10] matey fewer, to be sure :/ the fuckers have been awfully busy [10:10] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has joined #techrights [10:10] matey but this isnt what its like to hate everything. i cant imagine. [10:11] matey buglists do not have to balance the good and the bad [10:11] matey severity: CRITICAL (but its still a nice program, really) [10:12] matey of course its a nice program. if it wasnt, you wouldnt bother fixing it would you [10:12] matey severity: CRITICAL (but who cares, its a piece of shit and always will be) [10:13] matey why even open a ticket then [10:15] matey the sole word i understand in all of vinnie pooh is "spasiba" [10:15] matey unless you count the names [10:16] matey ill feel cheated if he doesnt say "blin" at least once [10:17] *horseface has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [10:26] matey xrevan, psydroid (may destroy your childhood) <- fair warning https://yewtu.be/watch?v=wkWQhqWbTpc [10:26] TR Bot Russian Winnie Pooh - Invidious [10:26] matey xrevan "ive seen it" [10:27] matey wrong link though [10:28] matey this one: https://yewtu.be/watch?v=7Wa1tafVp5I [10:28] TR Bot Putin sings russian winnie the pooh - Invidious [10:40] TR News Microsoft is just blatantly trying to obstruct BSD and Linux from even booting on new desktops/laptops, having simply resorted to illegal tactics while bribing those who would otherwise deposit a complaint with the authorities http://techrights.org/2022/07/29/tough-windows-year/ [10:40] TR Bot Windows Has Had a Very Tough Year (Thats Why Microsoft Starts to Block GNU/Linux With Secure Boot) | Techrights [10:43] TR News Dont expect the Linux Foundation or OSI to speak out against Microsofts latest crimes http://techrights.org/2022/07/29/bribing-the-rivals/ [10:43] TR Bot Microsoft Bribing Everyone: Canonical, Linux Foundation, OSI (Those That Should Push Back Against Microsoft Crimes) | Techrights [10:43] TR News With about 1 patent application in 100,000, Montenegro is truly a cause for celebration for EPO presidents like Benot Battistelli and Antnio Campinos, who simply buy votes http://techrights.org/2022/07/29/epo-landmark-occasion/ [10:43] TR Bot [Meme] Truly a Landmark Occasion | Techrights [10:44] TR News "The developers of LibreOffice have released updates for the open source Office suite to patch three security issues." https://www.ghacks.net/2022/07/27/libreoffice-security-update-fixes-macro-execution-bypass-and-potential-password-leaking/ [10:44] TR Bot LibreOffice security update fixes macro execution bypass and potential password leaking - gHacks Tech News [10:54] *horseface (~horseface@zisfjvu4z99eq.irc) has joined #techrights [10:59] IPFS IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 31.55 k/sec., IPFS upstream 15.05 average k/sec., average swarm size 0 [10:59] psydruid This isn't directly related to tech, but it is kind of what has been done to the FSF, GNU and free software in general [10:59] psydruid https://www.eurosport.co.uk/cycling/tour-de-france/2022/erik-ten-hag-how-manchester-united-boss-inspired-masterplan-to-topple-tadej-pogacar-at-tour-de-franc_sto9064930/story.shtml [10:59] TR Bot NO TITLE ● Jul 29 [11:00] psydruid And it can be used against Microsoft, IBM, LF, OSI etc. [11:01] psydruid Just "attack, attack, attack" and tear them apart [11:03] matey attacking microsoft is good of course [11:03] matey when youre facing oligarchs and up against the mass media [11:04] matey "attack attack attack" is useful but looks a little different [11:04] matey you can attack attack attack bill gates and the epstein connection for example [11:04] matey but the reason it worked against stallman was twofold [11:05] matey 1. the msm has zero principles-- only fake principles it can throw out at will [11:05] matey 2. they had enough traitors on the inside [11:05] matey we dont have the msm, we dont have 3000 traitors on the other side [11:05] matey so by no means am i saying dont try [11:05] matey only when youre calculating the odds of success, its not the same equation [11:06] matey now heres what was accomplished, historically, despite these odds [11:06] matey the free software movement WAS created [11:06] matey it DID pose a serious threat to microsoft [11:06] matey it could again [11:07] matey what STOPPED it was counterrevolution [11:07] matey open source was a wildly effective counterrevolution [11:07] matey so if we did all that again [11:07] matey INCLUDING attack attack attack [11:07] matey and we told open source counterrevolutionaries to fuck themselves with a tree [11:08] matey we could do it again [11:08] matey it worked the first time, the major mistake was listening to these corporate-sucking cunts [11:08] matey that took free software completely off course [11:08] matey do it again, learn from history [11:09] matey and attack attack attack [11:09] matey THAT can work [11:09] matey but even then, its not the same as what they did to us. because we dont have the msm (they dont care. they never do) and we dont have 3000 traitors to giafam on our side [11:09] matey maybe someday we can inspire people to defect [11:10] matey and theres no time like today to start trying-- provided people understand [11:10] matey its going to take time to rebuild [11:10] matey and open source was never an ally [11:10] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has left #techrights [11:10] matey open source helped free software about as much as switzerland helped the british in wwii [11:11] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has joined #techrights [11:12] matey while attack attack attack may not have the same effect when it moves in the opposite direction [11:12] matey when seen as victorious-- as meaningful, powerful [11:12] matey it can inspire other people to attack and to join [11:12] matey the fsf used to inspire people that way [11:12] matey now everything it does is empty, meaningless, easy to dismiss [11:12] matey "we fight for" no you dont [11:13] matey you dont at all [11:13] matey you do nothing [11:13] matey you [11:13] matey DID, once [11:13] matey for a long time, more than osi, more than mozilla [11:13] matey more than esr [11:13] matey esr didnt fight. he schemed. he may have schemed with good intentions [11:14] matey he thought he was SO fucking smart [11:14] matey today we see how smart he really was [11:14] matey :P [11:14] matey other people took chances, esr thought he could trick our opponent into losing [11:14] matey it was pretty fucking naive [11:15] matey listening to that bullshit and taking it seriously was naive on the part of free software [11:15] matey open source was a delusional approach [11:15] *horseface has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [11:15] matey based on completely misunderstanding the opponent [11:15] matey and overestimating esrs intelligence [11:16] matey his entire strategy was nonsense, historically easy to debunk [11:16] matey but we didnt realise that [11:16] matey i think some people always knew what a crock it was [11:16] matey we should have listened to them more closely [11:17] matey stallman, for his part, did far too much to underestimate microsoft [11:17] matey and open source [11:17] matey if we intend to make those mistakes again [11:17] matey theres not much point in trying [11:17] matey i think theres a point, but only if we learn from that lesson [11:17] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has left #techrights [11:17] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has joined #techrights [11:18] matey imagine competing with microsoft for years-- as a software company [11:18] matey only to get bought by them [11:18] matey "this is great! weve finally become so FORMIDABLE that they want to own what we do!" [11:18] matey "yeah but once they own us theyll just destroy whats theirs" [11:19] matey "why would they do that to an asset so good they cant compete?" [11:19] matey gee, how about because-- its exactly what theyve always done [11:19] matey and stupid fucking free/open [11:19] matey decided they were the exception to this rule [11:19] matey dum dum dum dum dum [11:20] matey as dum as thinking ibm wouldnt destroy red hat [11:20] matey b [11:20] matey theyve certainly gutted it nicely [11:20] psydruid maybe gutting red hat was even the plan [11:21] matey of course it was the plan [11:21] matey ibm Is Basically Microsoft [11:21] matey this is what they do [11:21] matey its like elections with a good candidate [11:22] matey a good candidate has no chance [11:22] psydruid red hat shopping itself around to companies including microsoft should have been a clear enough message [11:22] matey their own party destroys them [11:22] matey then the candidate ENDORSES the "real" chance of winning [11:22] matey ibm will lock in red hat customers [11:22] matey then move them gradually to whatever they want [11:22] matey its not a product-- its a cattle chute. [11:22] *horseface (~horseface@zisfjvu4z99eq.irc) has joined #techrights [11:23] matey they own the chute, they can move people where they want it to go [11:23] matey microsoft does this with windows [11:23] psydruid so now all of the commercial distributions with developers working on the core stack are in the Microsoft/IBM camp [11:23] matey the sole purpose of windows-- isnt software [11:23] matey its to make customers do things microsoft wants [11:23] matey so now all of the commercial distributions with developers working on the core stack are in the Microsoft/IBM camp <- thanks to systemd [11:24] matey theyre working for ibm, for free [11:24] matey most are working for free [11:24] matey to find out what ibm is really paying their "employees" [11:24] matey take the people they pay a salary to [11:24] matey then divide that by the number of people working on it [11:25] matey then multiply THAT by the number of people it takes for volunteers to add up to a 40 hour work week [11:25] matey then you have what people are really making per hour [11:25] matey commercial free software is a sweatship [11:25] matey sweatshop [11:25] matey if its for a cause that benefits the world-- its real volunteer work [11:25] matey if its for a cause that COSTS the world and benefits a multinational [11:25] matey thats exploitation, plain and simple [11:26] matey theyre working for a rounding error salary beneath minimum wage [11:26] *CrystalMath has quit (Quit: Leaving) [11:26] matey red hat is a sweatshop [11:26] matey debian is a sweatshop too [11:26] matey this isnt free software, its slave software [11:26] matey stallman is dead [11:27] matey red hat is eating his corpse [11:27] matey hes being slowly digested [11:28] *techrights_guest|23 (~3ed8d634@54n9xgft8g6u2.irc) has joined #techrights [11:28] matey people would do well to remember what things were like, when we were winning [11:28] matey it wasnt just the results that were different [11:28] matey we still did things the right way (mostly) back then [11:28] matey im not saying the big shift towards corporate dick sucking was the only mistake worth learning from [11:28] psydruid a whole approach doesn't just take software into account but also hardware, it's just that people don't realize their own power when it comes to buying products and supporting these corporations [11:28] psydruid https://www.phoronix.com/news/Intel-Gen9-To-Legacy-Model [11:28] TR Bot Begins Shifting 6th To 10th Gen Intel Processor Graphics To Legacy Support - Phoronix [11:29] *techrights_guest|23 has quit (Quit: Connection closed) [11:29] matey a whole approach doesn't just take software into account but also hardware <- it didnt have to when the fsf started [11:29] matey but it does now [11:29] matey the fsf can say thats not their focus-- thats fine [11:29] matey but like with free culture [11:29] psydruid Intel is moving support for graphics that are merely 2 years old to legacy status [11:29] matey if thats not their focus, they need to stay out of free hardwares way with their bullshit [11:29] matey i dont mean agree on everything [11:30] matey i mean dont use their support network to keep free hardware from succeeding [11:30] matey fsf isnt a monopoly [11:30] matey but sometimes it behaves in a way that would be antitrust, if a for-profit did it [11:30] psydruid I expect these corporations to interfere with free hardware when it starts hitting their bottom line [11:30] matey i mean they abuse their influence to spread bullshit-- not as a rule, but some important and key exceptions [11:30] matey we cant allow that with free hardware [11:31] matey free culture is guilty of the same [11:31] matey cc betrayed the whole world-- twice! [11:31] matey first regarding their own mission [11:31] matey then regarding free softwae [11:31] matey cc should be scrapped [11:31] matey I expect these corporations to interfere with free hardware when it starts hitting their bottom line <- hell they do already [11:31] matey they always will [11:32] matey without an anti-corporate movement [11:32] matey i dont think this stuff will ever work for more than 20 years [11:32] matey without having to start over again [11:32] matey some people, lessig for example [11:32] matey they realise theres a bigger picture and they go off to fight that [11:32] matey its noble [11:33] matey but someone has to stay behind and stay focused on the smaller stuff [11:33] matey like its not enough to fight corporations-- and ignore what we were doing before [11:33] matey but its also not enough to do what we were doing before-- and ignore corporate tyranny [11:33] matey the fsf does the latter, and fails [11:33] matey humanity has to stand up now [11:33] matey or it will be mowed down [11:34] matey theres no more time [11:34] matey and the new fsf can eat a dick [11:35] matey despite all this, ive spent years looking for hope somewhere [11:35] matey it exists [11:35] matey we have a chance [11:36] matey its just that we dont have all the time in the world [11:36] matey what people need to do is think of something that might help-- in some way [11:36] matey and do it [11:36] matey and encourage each other to do the same [11:37] matey but also, warn each other not to fall for the same bullshit again [11:37] matey thats where theres a lot of slack [11:37] matey the old bullshit is pretty relentless [11:37] matey if you want to win against old bullshit, you have to be pretty relentless too [11:37] matey esr never was [11:37] matey relentless compromise isnt what im talking about here [11:38] matey join us now and shareholder value <- the esr song [11:38] matey stupid dick [11:38] matey from the beginning of open source, it looked less stupid [11:39] matey here we are on the other side, and theyre even dumber [11:39] matey if they were smart at all, they would see where they fucked up [11:39] matey but it was never about that. they only care about what they ACTUALLY HAVE now [11:39] matey and what they have now, is dick. [11:39] matey and theyre happy. [11:39] matey so they never wanted very much. just dick. [11:39] matey thats stupid [11:40] matey "youll have absolutely dick, and youll be happy" [11:40] matey open source dovetails so nicely with that shit [11:41] matey its like the historical revisionism of southern slavery [11:41] matey our slaves were happy slaves! we gave them a HOME, we gave them FOOD [11:41] matey we were doing something GOOD! [11:41] matey fuck off [11:41] matey red hat and debian are sweatshops [11:41] *britney has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [11:42] matey and they do the same to users [11:44] *KiKi has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [11:45] psydruid x86 hardware sales are down, but I don't know if this is going to be a permanent thing [11:45] matey i mean, graphs like that go /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/ [11:45] matey but not in this direction -----------> [11:45] matey they do that in a general downward trend [11:45] psydruid also IBM POWER and Z don't seem to be used that much anymore [11:45] matey Z :) [11:46] matey because naming their technology "swastika" would be too awkward [11:46] psydruid so if the hardware isn't bought, you also cut off their software supply [11:46] matey yeah well cutting off the spread of ibm software is like cutting off the spread of hiv [11:46] matey it can only be a good thing [11:47] matey too bad that includes gcc (needs forked) [11:47] matey gcc may be nearly impossible to fork, but llvm is worse in that regard [11:47] matey it includes gdb as well [11:47] matey ibm has bigger assets than red hat [11:47] matey yes i consider gcc more valuable than red hat [11:48] matey but theyre joined at the fucking hip [11:48] matey suppose ibm goes under, what happens to gcc [11:48] matey there are mirrors [11:48] matey who works on them? [11:48] matey theres a culture behind all this [11:49] matey that culture is whats being dismantled [11:49] matey so roy can say ibm will die, and it should, the sooner the better [11:49] matey but ask him whats going to happen to gcc, he hasnt got a clue [11:50] matey only one who does is eben moglen [11:50] matey and he threatened someones job! so i guess its not important [11:50] matey WE HAVE RULES [11:50] psydruid we'll have systemd-compilerd at least [11:50] matey heh [11:50] psydruid so no problem [11:51] matey a little cynicism is informative [11:51] matey a lot of cynicism is mincer [11:51] schestowitz[TR2] lol [11:52] schestowitz[TR2] bringing light to issues [11:52] matey yeah i mean [11:52] matey you need someone who can poke holes in bullshit [11:52] matey hes good at that [11:52] schestowitz[TR2] gcc is not ibm [11:52] psydruid this is what I imagine Russian Winnie the Pooh to be like [11:52] matey you also need people who are crazy enough to go forward with an imperfect plan [11:52] matey when its the best we can muster [11:52] schestowitz[TR2] gcc is some hardware companies, suse, ibm [11:52] schestowitz[TR2] it's more than ibm [11:53] matey gcc is not ibm <- i dont have a problem i can stop drinking anytime i want [11:53] matey good luck with that [11:53] matey gcc is 95% ibm [11:53] psydruid be as cynical as mincer and go around hitting people with a wooden bat singing "pom pom pom pom pom" [11:53] matey so you take your 5% and have fun [11:53] schestowitz[TR2] ibm pushes powerx to gcc [11:53] schestowitz[TR2] gcc does many other archs [11:53] schestowitz[TR2] that compete with ibm [11:54] matey i love that you think that changes the fact that ibm controls gcc [11:54] schestowitz[TR2] no way 95% [11:54] matey in fact it already did [11:54] matey it simply expands that [11:54] matey only moglen is worried [11:54] schestowitz[TR2] show that 95% of commits are |ibm empoloyees 100% of the time" [11:54] matey the rest are naive [11:54] matey show that 95% of commits are |ibm empoloyees 100% of the time" ITS THEIR TURF [11:54] matey they control the repo. they control the other devs. [11:54] psydruid red hat is ibm [11:54] psydruid sourceware is ibm [11:55] matey they also are substantial contributors [11:55] matey you really do suck at this kind of math. [11:55] matey i suck at every kind of math, but this one is easy [11:55] matey sourceware is ibm <- yep [11:55] matey and it does go beyond sourceware [11:55] matey cancelling stallman was part of controlling gcc [11:56] matey anyone who misses that is just sucking their thumb [11:56] matey im not saying that was the primary objective [11:56] matey im saying it was a factor [11:56] matey again, moglen is the only one sounding the alarm on this [11:56] matey fsf might be deaf [11:56] matey or just stupid [11:57] matey or just worthless [11:57] matey they cant even defend themselves, but they fight for users? [11:57] matey and what do they want from us? money? [11:57] matey please [11:58] matey fight and get paid to keep doing it [11:58] psydruid our hearts and minds [11:58] matey throw the fight and dont expect to be paid to keep doing it [11:58] psydruid for the cause of free deadware [11:58] schestowitz[TR2] https://lwn.net/Articles/857791/ [11:58] matey hearts and minds <- the battle cry of the cynical candidate [11:58] TR Bot drops its copyright-assignment requirement [LWN.net] [11:59] schestowitz[TR2] http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/151827 [11:59] TR Bot FSF Copyright Assignment and GCC, GCC 9.4 Released | Tux Machines [11:59] schestowitz[TR2] many links tghere [11:59] schestowitz[TR2] dozens [11:59] matey omg links [11:59] schestowitz[TR2] http://techrights.org/2021/06/02/gcc-copyright-assignment/ [11:59] TR Bot It Remains Largely Unclear Whose Idea It Was to Change GCC Copyright Assignment Practices (or How/Why It Started) | Techrights [11:59] matey https://lwn.net/Articles/857791/ <- zero relevance [11:59] matey maybe less [11:59] schestowitz[TR2] brb [11:59] matey youre looking for a way to deny this trend ● Jul 29 [12:00] matey dont bother, its foolish [12:00] matey if you dont do this in a thumb-in-your-arse kind of way, all the pieces fit nicely [12:00] matey if you want to deny shit, all you do is multiply the unanswered questions severalfold [12:00] matey which is great if you want to blog about all of those [12:01] matey LOOK HOW BUSY WE ARE [12:01] matey yeah, paying yourself to dig holes [12:01] matey but the real question is, but the REAL question is, but the real QUESTION is... [12:01] matey nope, nope, nope [12:02] matey the real question is why youre so well-adapted to running away from answers [12:02] schestowitz[TR2] you made an assertion [12:02] schestowitz[TR2] gcc is ibm [12:02] matey ive made plenty of assertions [12:02] schestowitz[TR2] prove they are vast majority of gcc commits [12:02] matey i wish i would be right less often... [12:02] matey prove they are vast majority of gcc commits <- youre being silly [12:02] schestowitz[TR2] no [12:02] matey youre asking me to prove shit that doesnt even matter [12:03] matey its not about commits-- but i explained that [12:03] schestowitz[TR2] i need the facs on this [12:03] matey prove your head isnt a cube. [12:03] matey i need the facs on this <- no you dont [12:03] matey i give you the facts, you ask me to prove things they DONT DEPEND ON [12:03] matey its not about the number of commits. its YOUR assertion that metric is the meaningful one [12:03] matey not mine. [12:04] matey youre moving the goalposts or changing the subject [12:04] matey go right ahead. youre only running from the truth [12:04] matey some of us care about this stuff [12:05] matey you can pursue the truth yourself, you can give me real reason im wrong instead of wasting both our time [12:05] matey you can actually do whatever its pleases you to do [12:05] matey but if you want to be right, id pay better attention. [12:05] matey choice is always yours [12:05] matey hell, you sure dont work for me [12:05] matey you spend your time on alex gravely [12:06] matey it wont DO anything, but its mildly interesting [12:06] matey to me, gcc being at stake is more interesting [12:06] matey but "we" dont cover that because "we" dont know shit about it [12:06] matey and i dont think its better to make things up [12:07] matey but are you even looking? no, youre Looking Away [12:07] matey again, your choice [12:07] matey mine to critique too [12:07] matey i think its foolish to dismiss this [12:07] matey but you get to if you want to [12:08] matey and hey, everyone but moglen seems to think its alright [12:08] matey ibm is probably doing what theyre doing (that moglen addressed) for nothing [12:08] matey its not part of a plan or a strategy [12:08] matey with gcc ibm is just throwing shit at the wall [12:08] matey im sure... [12:10] matey i still think gcc is more forkable than llvm [12:10] matey what i dont know is-- how forkable is gcc? [12:10] matey time will tell [12:10] matey maybe we will all be using rust by then :/ [12:11] schestowitz[TR2] suse is still a big parrt of gcc [12:11] schestowitz[TR2] inc. official announcemnre [12:11] matey oh, suse [12:11] matey well, now i feel better [12:11] schestowitz[TR2] syou could make the case that whgile suse competes with red hat [12:11] schestowitz[TR2] it is still very close to ibm [12:11] schestowitz[TR2] re power deployuments and hpc [12:11] schestowitz[TR2] and that novell's last ceo was from ivbm [12:11] schestowitz[TR2] as were many other novell execs [12:11] schestowitz[TR2] but gcc is not ibm [12:11] schestowitz[TR2] ibm is a big part [12:12] schestowitz[TR2] ut there are many stakeholkders other than ibm [12:12] matey ibm is the part that does the steering and the hosting [12:12] matey they also do development [12:12] matey the rest is gravy [12:12] matey ibm is the one moving to cut free software out of gcc [12:12] matey and turn it into something more mozilla-like [12:12] matey if it takes them 15 years, theyll do it anyway [12:12] matey why shouldnt they, when no one will even try to stop them [12:12] schestowitz[TR2] what about google, arm, intelll? [12:13] matey what about baphometos? [12:13] matey as far as i know, google and arm and intel are not the major factors in this problem [12:13] matey i dont even understand the question [12:14] matey seems like a change of subject [12:14] schestowitz[TR2] they also play a role [12:14] matey but not THE role [12:14] schestowitz[TR2] they also do not agree with rms [12:14] matey thats ibm. again. [12:14] schestowitz[TR2] assuming rms as a bropther, aarson (AAS) [12:14] schestowitz[TR2] who worked at IBM [12:14] schestowitz[TR2] *aaron [12:14] schestowitz[TR2] sorry, standing while typing [12:15] matey they also do not agree with rms <- are you implying that people who disagree with rms therefore have control of gcc? [12:15] matey because thats certainly not my argument [12:15] schestowitz[TR2] *ASS, not AAS [12:15] matey im implying that ibm has more control over gcc than any other party [12:15] matey also, ibm is the one moving to have more control [12:15] schestowitz[TR2] that\'s true [12:15] matey do you see anyone else doing that? i do not. [12:15] schestowitz[TR2] but not all parties combined [12:16] matey i honestly dont beleve it matters to them [12:16] matey ibm and intel have a "special relationship" [12:16] matey when blair stands up to the iraq bullshit, ill expect intel to give two shits about this [12:16] schestowitz[TR2] a lot of giafam do [12:16] schestowitz[TR2] i=ibm, intel [12:16] matey depends on what you mean by "this" [12:16] matey i happen to mean "gcc" [12:17] matey unless you think intel is going to stand up to ibm on this [12:17] matey or care if ibm controls gcc [12:17] matey intel doesnt matter here [12:17] schestowitz[TR2] i'll come bakc to this [12:17] schestowitz[TR2] later [12:17] schestowitz[TR2] I need to stand a bit [12:17] schestowitz[TR2] and read my draft [12:17] schestowitz[TR2] for my health [12:17] schestowitz[TR2] too many typos for irc [12:18] matey its not going to get solved today anyway [12:18] matey but the purpose of sounding the alarm is to alert the people who can fight this [12:18] schestowitz[TR2] atym uefi a priority [12:18] schestowitz[TR2] plan is to bring it up every day [12:18] matey well theres too much going on to focus on just one thing, which you dont anyway [12:18] matey nor do i [12:19] matey but i dont make a habit of using one vital issue to discount or distract from another vital issue [12:19] matey unless you think alex gravely is that important [12:19] matey but i dont [12:20] matey github is/will do/ing fine without him [12:22] schestowitz[TR2] alex gravel [12:22] schestowitz[TR2] is a link [12:22] schestowitz[TR2] like many others [12:22] schestowitz[TR2] not rick allen jones [12:22] schestowitz[TR2] graveley is close buddies with de icaza and github ceo [12:22] schestowitz[TR2] why do you think they both took a hike? [12:22] matey its pretty obvious why [12:22] schestowitz[TR2] we''re looking into case's discovery [12:22] schestowitz[TR2] seems github has an inner crisis [12:22] schestowitz[TR2] and he's just part of it [12:23] schestowitz[TR2] microsoft also wants azure to take over [12:23] schestowitz[TR2] and github be used as a weapon against aws [12:23] schestowitz[TR2] but it has not worked so far [12:23] matey truth vs marketing [12:23] schestowitz[TR2] http://techrights.org/2022/01/31/autonomy-of-free-software/ [12:23] TR Bot Microsoft GitHub Expos Part XVI The Attack on the Autonomy of Free Software Carries on | Techrights [12:24] schestowitz[TR2] http://techrights.org/2021/11/08/github-helps-microsoft-monopoly/ [12:24] TR Bot Any Ongoing Participation in GitHub Helps Microsoft Attack Free Software | Techrights [12:26] *u-amarsh04 has quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!) [12:27] matey http://techrights.org/2022/01/31/autonomy-of-free-software/ <- this was the dumbest article in the series [12:27] matey i swear you wrote that one just to troll openbsd again [12:27] matey some people wanted a problem [12:27] matey they were told no, and why [12:27] matey thats the whole store [12:27] matey story [12:27] matey from like how many years ago [12:27] matey wank. [12:27] *u-amarsh04 (~amarsh04@5tcc2vuaj9aks.irc) has joined #techrights [12:28] matey if people want to create a fork of openbsd on github, theyre always free to do so [12:28] matey it will die instantly [12:28] matey the openbsd developers have better things to do [12:29] matey github doesnt fit their workflow. they dont need their time wasted with pull-your-dick requests [12:29] matey but you took that old story and tried to make it look like a crisis [12:29] matey really stretching that one as far as it can go [12:30] IPFS () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-07-28.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-07-29.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi [12:30] matey the standard you hold openbsd to is laughable [12:30] matey its not enough for them to do the right thing while others fuck up [12:30] matey no, they also have to have everyone leave them alone and not try to tempt them [12:30] matey because thats LOOMING, years ago [12:30] matey its so ridiculous [12:30] matey your bias is through the goddamned roof [12:31] matey it has its own military [12:31] matey and people who actually use bsd can see right through the sad joke it is [12:31] matey youre just hating, the stories you "sound the alarm on" arent even news [12:31] matey weve seen them. we saw them. and you dig WAY WAY back to find them [12:32] matey bsd is obviously a threat to you [12:32] matey no, we supported" [12:32] matey no one needs that kind of support [12:32] matey but if you want to undermine your credibility with your wikipedia-editor like assaults on bsd [12:32] matey thats fine [12:32] matey squander your credibility on that. [12:33] matey ttp://techrights.org/2022/01/31/autonomy-of-free-software/ <- wank [12:33] matey even if the intention was to include it for completeness / to be thorough [12:34] matey the sheer amount of stretch makes the bias red-flag obvious [12:34] matey this is a game on your part [12:34] matey its not to be informative [12:34] matey and if you think you can undermine them with this [12:34] matey read the room [12:35] matey everybody knows your stance on openbsd is nonsense [12:35] matey theyve been the victim of double standards forever [12:35] matey much like stallman vs torvalds [12:36] matey if they do the same thing, stallman is a dick for it and torvalds is a god [12:36] *GNUmoon2 has quit (Remote host closed the connection) [12:36] matey but one does it for the right reasons and other does it because whatever [12:36] matey even when openbsd does the best thing in the whole bunch [12:36] matey somehow, thats not good enough to get a fair shake [12:37] matey and they dont even give a shit [12:37] *GNUmoon2 (~GNUmoon@gateway/tor-sasl/gnumoon) has joined #techrights [12:37] matey because they have better shit to do [12:37] schestowitz[TR2] us media likes finnnish torvalds [12:37] schestowitz[TR2] he's naturalised now [12:37] schestowitz[TR2] rms is not really american [12:37] schestowitz[TR2] stall-man [12:37] schestowitz[TR2] not tor-valds [12:37] matey hes in california i think [12:37] schestowitz[TR2] no [12:37] matey he belongs in california [12:37] schestowitz[TR2] oregon [12:37] schestowitz[TR2] he was in CA before [12:37] schestowitz[TR2] becaue of transmeta [12:37] matey oregon is just california with better weed [12:38] schestowitz[TR2] lol [12:39] matey my shitty algorithm is still running [12:39] matey its been running for three hours (thats how you know its shitty) [12:39] matey its only 15mb of text, dont be ridiculous [12:40] matey on the nice side, the cpu isnt working too hard. i consider that a feature [12:40] matey but if this were any slower it wouldnt even be worth running [12:40] matey i could optimise it, but i rarely run it for anything that takes more than 1 minute. this is sort of a first. [12:41] matey rather i could try to optimise it and it would probably work after a few tries [12:42] matey i estimated it would run for an hour. i was clearly off [12:43] matey its looping through 15mb of data a stupid number of times. even so, it should be fairly predictable how long it takes [12:43] matey (the first thing it does is buffer all of that data in ram-- but after that its pretty conservative-- usage doesnt really go up from there) [12:44] matey try that with firefox [12:44] matey 3 hours later: "hey, im still using the same amount of ram-- wait, IM NOT FIREFOX!" [12:47] matey theoretically it could double, but any data that would accomplish that wouldnt make it useful to run the program [12:48] matey sorting whats basically already sorted is pointless [12:48] matey also the program would be done really fucking quickly then [12:49] matey hmm... no it wouldnt [12:49] matey :) [12:50] TR News EPO VP4 Nellie Simon: 24/7 Day and Night, Only One Hour to Speak to EPO Staff | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/07/29/too-busy-to-get-real-work-done/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/07/29/too-busy-to-get-real-work-done/ [12:50] TR Bot EPO VP4 Nellie Simon: 24/7 Day and Night, Only One Hour to Speak to EPO Staff | Techrights [12:50] matey the worst part though is if i had redirected the output to a file, id know how far along it was [12:50] matey instead, i used a buffer, so i wont know how long it really takes until its done [12:51] matey which made sense when i thought i had estimated well enough [12:51] *GNUmoon2 has quit (Remote host closed the connection) [12:52] matey even if it takes 5 hours its saving me time, and even if it didnt save time its saving effort [12:52] *GNUmoon2 (~GNUmoon@gateway/tor-sasl/gnumoon) has joined #techrights [12:52] matey but waiting is always fun [12:55] *psydruid would rather listen to Carly Simon [12:55] *techuser (~techuser@u6e4grxkxibun.irc) has joined #techrights [12:58] *techuser has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [12:59] IPFS IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 31.55 k/sec., IPFS upstream 15.05 average k/sec., average swarm size 0 ● Jul 29 [13:00] matey https://lwn.net/Articles/857791/ [13:00] TR Bot drops its copyright-assignment requirement [LWN.net] [13:00] matey Posted Jun 2, 2021 22:03 UTC (Wed) by gnoutchd (subscriber, #121472) [Link] [13:00] matey SFLC's analysis: https://softwarefreedom.org/blog/2021/jun/02/gcc-statement/ [13:00] TR Bot GCC Drops Requirement of Copyright Assignment to FSF - Software Freedom Law Center [13:00] matey (Disclaimer: I'm the sysadmin at SFLC.) [13:01] matey https://softwarefreedom.org/blog/2021/jun/02/gcc-statement/ [13:01] matey (not me obviously, im quoting that) [13:02] matey "The effect of this change, as the GCC Steering Committee states, is to loosen the bonds between FSF and the GCC projects." <- eben moglen [13:05] psydruid was Eben Moglen behind this change? [13:05] *techuser (~techuser@t7vv94aadcjny.irc) has joined #techrights [13:05] matey no, hes a member of the audience [13:06] matey one of the smarter members [13:06] matey this brings gcc into the state that the linux kernel is in, regarding contributors [13:06] matey we actually have a closer precident: llvm [13:06] matey llvm tried to assign copyright to the fsf [13:06] matey it failed [13:06] matey the email was lost [13:07] matey llvm of course, is doing REALLY well for it [13:07] *alextee (~alextee@fme9g3jbi568k.irc) has joined #techrights [13:07] matey i mean, its successful, people use it [13:07] matey but will it ever be free? thats a matter for debate [13:07] matey free software, definitively requires freedom 3 [13:08] matey which some people treat as optional or good enough when its only theoretical [13:08] matey llvm is a hostage of microsoft [13:08] matey gcc is a hostage of ibm [13:08] matey some people will call that freedom [13:09] matey moglen does think as the "principle" copyright holder, fsf wont lose all their ability to defend [13:09] psydruid freedom to roam freely in a cage at the zoo [13:09] matey he didnt comment on whether fsf is likely to defend anythin [13:09] matey freedom to roam freely in a cage <- basically [13:18] *techuser has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [13:23] *horseface has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [13:24] *techuser (~techuser@mii8cedt3f3mk.irc) has joined #techrights [13:27] TR News Microsoft Windows in Chinese Desktops/Laptops Down to 80% (Hence Microsoft Started Blocking GNU/Linux From Even Booting, as Chinas Lenovo Demonstrates) | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/07/29/windows-in-china/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/07/29/windows-in-china/ [13:27] TR Bot Microsoft Windows in Chinese Desktops/Laptops Down to 80% (Hence Microsoft Started Blocking GNU/Linux From Even Booting, as Chinas Lenovo Demonstrates) | Techrights [13:33] *liberty_box (~liberty@hcdms2vr9hu9e.irc) has joined #techrights [13:33] *rianne (~rianne@freenode-i33.jp8.7132oi.IP) has joined #techrights [13:33] *rianne_ (~rianne@hcdms2vr9hu9e.irc) has joined #techrights [13:37] TR News "On all of the machines that I can readily get statistics for" https://utcc.utoronto.ca/~cks/space/blog/solaris/ZFSIndividualVsAggregatedIOs | Source: uni Toronto [13:37] TR Bot Chris's Wiki :: blog/solaris/ZFSIndividualVsAggregatedIOs [13:37] TR News "I chose Godot and liked it a lot" https://tonsky.me/blog/dice-out/ | Source: Nikita Prokopov [13:37] TR Bot Game Jam 2022: Dice Out @ tonsky.me [13:38] *techuser has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [13:38] *techuser (~techuser@3fwq6apsn2jv4.irc) has joined #techrights [13:39] TR News "Forget binary sleep and wake." https://staceyoniot.com/forget-sleep-and-wake-its-time-to-embrace-ambient-mode/ | Source: Stacy on IoT [13:39] TR Bot Forget sleep and wake; it's time to embrace ambient mode - Stacey on IoT | Internet of Things news and analysis [13:39] TR News "The goal of this project was to provide a solid alternative at a very low price" https://www.raspberrypi.com/news/pico-playstation-memcard-the-magpi-120/ | Source: Raspberry Pi [13:39] TR Bot Pico PlayStation MemCard | The MagPi #120 - Raspberry Pi [13:39] TR News "Now TIC-80 is open source. 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[13:51] matey funny thing, i bet mjg comes clean before fsf does [13:51] matey im not saying its likely, just more likely [13:51] *Despatche has quit (Quit: Read error: Connection reset by deer) [13:52] matey some signers will recant, not many, not most [13:52] matey some orgs are destroyed [13:52] matey some recanters will be sincere, others wont [13:52] matey i suspect very little (of this) will change that hasnt already [13:53] matey federation was (imo) always inevitable, will remain so [13:53] matey federation is hard to build-- it wasnt any easier in historical examples [13:53] matey but worth it [13:53] matey and in those examples, the "central node" DID fail [13:53] matey and the federation is whats left of that [13:53] matey and the central node is dead [13:53] matey just like the fsf [13:54] matey its not ideal. ideal would be, the fsf stayed, the federation worked with it [13:54] matey but of the central node is corrupted, or fails, the point of federation is to keep going [13:54] matey free software is not an option [13:55] matey if we cannot have free software, we should not use computers [13:55] matey program or be programmed [13:55] matey its either a tool in our hands, or a yoke on our neck [13:55] matey thats whats weird about mjg [13:55] matey when its yoke in practice, he focuses so much on the potential for a tool in our hands [13:56] matey but sometimes just a bit too much [13:56] matey maybe thats the true (esr) hacker mentality [13:56] matey doesnt matter what it does, WE CAN USE THIS for something [13:56] matey thats cool. but maybe the landmines should be removed and disarmed. [13:56] matey not hacked [13:57] *techuser has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [13:57] matey just removed and disarmed [13:57] matey and since he always spends SOME time on that side of the rhetoric [13:57] matey we cant just reduce what he says to some one-sided strawman [13:57] matey it looks sloppy [13:57] matey (we totally can, if we denounce the rest as arse-covering bullshit) [13:58] matey but for extra points, anyone who wants to can yknow [13:58] matey explore whatever... i mean, its here [13:58] matey i solved a local tech mystery btw [13:58] matey i wont say what it is [13:58] matey but this has gone on for weeks or longer, and i solved it this morning [13:59] matey not local localhost local [13:59] matey local regionally local [13:59] matey literally in the past hour [13:59] matey sometimes you have to find the right person to talk to [13:59] TR News "Ive been in the world of HTML emails lately so the wounds are still fresh" https://blog.jim-nielsen.com/2022/html-email-rant/ | Source: Jim Nielsen [13:59] TR Bot HTML Emails: A Rant - Jim Nielsens Blog ● Jul 29 [14:00] matey mjg is our most prominent glimpse into the coup [14:00] matey for better or worse. i have no idea how much good that does at all. [14:00] matey possibly less than none. possibly some. maybe both somehow [14:00] matey but hes here after all [14:00] matey a hostile witness that just wont go away :) [14:01] matey but a witness nonetheless [14:04] TR News "Information camouflage is when piece of information A has a name similar to another" https://buttondown.email/hillelwayne/archive/information-camouflage/ | Source: Buttondown [14:04] TR Bot Information camouflage Buttondown [14:04] matey https://yewtu.be/watch?v=7Wa1tafVp5I my favourite thing today [14:04] TR Bot Putin sings russian winnie the pooh - Invidious [14:05] matey this is nearly as much fun as hitler reacts [14:05] *techuser (~techuser@vd4283mvfyqgk.irc) has joined #techrights [14:05] matey i know, usually pooh is a chinese leader, not a russian one [14:06] matey i dont know if techuser will enjoy or not https://yewtu.be/watch?v=7Wa1tafVp5I [14:06] matey hi [14:06] techuser what is it about? [14:06] matey its putin singing winnie the pooh in russian [14:06] matey deepfaked [14:06] matey its rather stupid [14:06] techuser not now though, using a limited Internet connection because my main one died [14:06] matey thats the only appeal [14:07] techuser and this one can die anytime [14:07] matey id love to know how you got a second one [14:07] matey borrowing wifi? [14:07] techuser wi-fi from a mobile Internet [14:07] matey oh yeah [14:07] matey i keep forgetting people do that [14:08] matey ive even done that before, before most people tried it [14:08] matey even flipphones can do that now [14:08] matey because even flipphones have an increasingly sophisticated os [14:09] matey for better or worse [14:09] matey one day there will be just one flipphone left [14:09] matey and the fucker will run android [14:10] matey hopefully by then i wont need a mobile phone [14:10] schestowitz[TR2] some still do [14:10] schestowitz[TR2] (run android) [14:10] schestowitz[TR2] mobile phones are needed for some people [14:10] matey understood [14:10] schestowitz[TR2] like, travelling salespeople [14:10] matey id like to not be a person that needs one [14:10] schestowitz[TR2] for many others imho [14:10] schestowitz[TR2] they THINK they need them [14:10] matey and i keep it minimal as fuck [14:10] schestowitz[TR2] becauase they cannot envision a day without one [14:10] schestowitz[TR2] and they did not even try [14:10] matey i think there are good reasons to have a mobile phone [14:10] matey most people dont need one [14:11] matey yeah most wont even try [14:11] schestowitz[TR2] what are the good reasons in your personal case? [14:11] matey me, i plan my life around getting rid of mine [14:11] schestowitz[TR2] time= pda, watch [14:11] matey among other more important priorities [14:11] schestowitz[TR2] emergency = people are you can call [14:11] schestowitz[TR2] maps = print some [14:11] matey what are the good reasons in your personal case? <- if youre asking me, i dont get into details like that [14:12] matey suffice it to say that im passionate about getting rid of it [14:12] matey and i have a long track record of ditching tech i dont like [14:12] matey even if it takes a couple years [14:15] TR News Proprietary Shopify = failure" https://www.cbc.ca/news/business/shopify-jobs-1.6532165?cmp=rss | Source: CBC [14:15] TR Bot Shopify laying off 10% of staff as explosive pandemic growth fizzles | CBC News [14:15] TR News Proprietary lockin https://earthly.dev/blog/terraform-state-bucket/ | Source: Earthly [14:15] TR Bot S3 Terraform Backend - Earthly Blog [14:15] TR News Proprietary crap from a serial fraudster and pathological liar https://www.jeffgeerling.com/blog/2022/starlinks-current-problem-capacity | Source: Jeff Geerling [14:15] TR Bot Starlink's current problem is capacity | Jeff Geerling [14:15] TR News Proprietary https://matt-rickard.com/dont-be-scared-of-vendor-lock-in/ | Source: Matt Rickard [14:15] TR Bot Don't Be Scared of Cloud Lock-in [14:16] TR News "Earlier I described the Plausibly Deniable DataBase (PDDB)." https://www.bunniestudios.com/blog/?p=6449 | Source: Bunnie Huang [14:16] TR Bot The Plausibly Deniable DataBase (PDDB): Its Real Now! bunnie's blog [14:17] TR News "In 2018 I helped the Internet Archive get a two-year Mellon Foundation grant aimed at preserving the "long tail" of academic literature" https://blog.dshr.org/2022/07/the-internet-archives-long-tail-program.html | Source: David Rosenthal [14:17] TR Bot DSHR's Blog: The Internet Archive's "Long Tail" Program [14:17] TR News "The law of contempt, like the criminal law, can be stretched to save those who chastise judges" https://www.freepressjournal.in/analysis/law-can-be-stretched-to-stonewall-questions-on-pegasus | Source: Free Press Journal [14:17] TR Bot Law can be stretched to stonewall questions on Pegasus [14:18] matey freedom, when applied and not merely promised in a license or on a piece of parchment [14:18] matey means you can change or get rid of things you dont like (within reason of course) [14:18] matey thats what it works out to on average [14:18] matey theres good and bad in life, freedom wont change that [14:19] matey what it means is that we can work towards that goal [14:19] TR News "I'm a retired software engineer so I focus here on the technological risks." https://blog.dshr.org/2022/07/regulating-digital-assets.html | Source: David Rosenthal [14:19] TR Bot DSHR's Blog: Regulating "Digital Assets" [14:19] matey oppression tries to constantly thwart such efforts [14:19] matey thats what giafam does [14:19] matey so to enlist them as allies is basically insane [14:19] matey but then [14:19] matey esr is basically insane [14:19] schestowitz[TR2] esrane [14:21] TR News "Conspiracy theories aren't a new phenomenon" https://text.npr.org/1113855150 | Source: NPR [14:21] TR Bot A Georgia monument was destroyed. Locals blame conspiracy theories [14:22] TR News "The Press and Registration of Books (PRB) Act" https://www.freepressjournal.in/analysis/proposed-bill-to-control-digital-media-is-worrying | Source: Free Press Journal [14:22] TR Bot Proposed bill to control digital media is worrying [14:23] TR News [Old] "post on Instagram saying she was taken to the police station " https://www.rferl.org/a/russia-ovsyannikova-yashin-ukraine/31947497.html | Source: RFERL [14:23] TR Bot Russian TV Journalist Who Protested War On-Air Arrested [14:23] TR News "appeared in court over subsequent social media posts" https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/russia-journalist-marina-ovsyannikova-fined-b2133237.html | Source: The Independent UK [14:23] TR Bot Russia finds journalist Marina Ovsyannikova guilty of discrediting army | The Independent [14:23] TR News "After sending troops to Ukraine, Moscow adopted laws imposing sentences of up to 15 years in prison for spreading information about the military deemed false" https://www.rte.ie/news/world/2022/0728/1312775-russian-editor-fined/ | Source: RTE [14:23] TR Bot Russian court fines Ukraine protest TV journalist [14:24] TR News "After the heinous beheading of Kanhiya Lal in Udaipur, the incidents of death threats and controversial posts on social media" https://www.freepressjournal.in/india/prophet-row-rajasthan-man-offers-house-property-to-anyone-who-beheads-nupur-sharma | Source: Free Press Journal [14:24] TR Bot Prophet row: Rajasthan man offers house, property to anyone who beheads Nupur Sharma [14:25] matey esssridiculous [14:25] matey but he did like he said [14:25] matey he expanded free software to all the corporations [14:25] matey who then remade it in their own image [14:25] matey rendering the whole fucking thing worthless [14:26] schestowitz[TR2] "but eric" [14:26] schestowitz[TR2] "that was RMS' [14:26] schestowitz[TR2] "not craif mundie!" [14:26] matey and all we had to do is bend over a lot and say "this is how we defeat you" [14:26] matey yeah well [14:26] matey he squints a lot [14:26] schestowitz[TR2] "I'm your vvvvorsst bed bug" [14:27] matey maybe when you make that face he makes all the time, craig mundie and rms look similar [14:27] schestowitz[TR2] I think he has a syndrome [14:27] schestowitz[TR2] but not sure [14:27] matey i think he does too [14:27] schestowitz[TR2] based on body/head promprtion [14:27] schestowitz[TR2] and hand length [14:27] schestowitz[TR2] I don't know the names of these chromosome things and I might b e wrong [14:28] matey but im not above making fun of it, when he pulled the same shit phiipps did about rms [14:28] schestowitz[TR2] I know [14:28] schestowitz[TR2] you said he squints [14:28] schestowitz[TR2] I think it is related [14:28] matey and perens had cerebral palsy [14:28] schestowitz[TR2] yeah [14:28] matey yeah esr has some genetic thing [14:28] schestowitz[TR2] phipps is totally normal [14:28] schestowitz[TR2] but rianne saw a video of him [14:28] schestowitz[TR2] re kde neon [14:28] schestowitz[TR2] said phispps looks like a trans woman [14:28] matey phipps looks like holly from red dwarf [14:29] matey when she became female (i think given that shes a holographic ai, this isnt the wrong terminology, but im open to suggestions) [14:29] matey but i thought holly was cute [14:29] matey i suppose phipps could be too, if he took better care of himself [14:29] matey personality is a deal breaker [14:30] matey technically speaking, what your wife said is transphobic [14:30] schestowitz[TR2] i think it was not the voice [14:30] matey because what does a trans woman look like? [14:30] schestowitz[TR2] but the china, the long hair [14:30] schestowitz[TR2] and the weight excess [14:30] schestowitz[TR2] *chins [14:30] schestowitz[TR2] nbot china [14:30] schestowitz[TR2] *not [14:31] matey btw, im against painting someones entire personality based on a single comment, a la milkshake duck [14:31] matey its a mistake in more ways than one [14:31] schestowitz[TR2] rms thinks microwaves will have alexa [14:31] schestowitz[TR2] before alexa exists [14:31] matey unless maybe they run across a stage at the oscars and say "KILL ALL THE JEWS!" [14:31] schestowitz[TR2] that f**ing fool!! [14:31] matey then one comment might be enough :) [14:31] *Despatche (~desp@u3xy9z2ifjzci.irc) has joined #techrights [14:32] matey even then, you know if they had just been hit by a car or something [14:32] matey and were fucking delerious [14:32] matey i can see excusing that until it turns out to be a trend [14:32] TR News "" https://www.r-bloggers.com/2022/07/posit-why-rstudio-is-changing-its-name/ | Source: Rlang [14:32] TR Bot Why Rstudio is changing its name | R-bloggers [14:32] TR News "So while you will see our name change in a bunch of places" https://www.r-bloggers.com/2022/07/rstudio-is-becoming-posit/ | Source: Rlang [14:32] TR Bot is becoming Posit | R-bloggers [14:33] matey im sure howard stern has said worse [14:33] matey but since hes anti-roger-waters im sure hes golden with the adl [14:33] matey if being against apartheid means youre anti-semitic, im willing to have the label for that [14:34] matey i know plenty of people on the left, including left israelis who agree with me on that issue [14:35] matey if roger waters is wrong, id love to see stern say something smart about it [14:35] matey but he totally takes sides, and the wrong one [14:37] matey einstein was against it too [14:38] matey a LOT of jewish intellectuals were [14:38] matey and are [14:38] matey but the msm sides mostly with the side waters and einstein were against [14:39] matey it would be cool if stern had a reasonable argument to make. he does at least explain, but it mostly comes down to "they have a right to defend themselves" [14:39] matey yeah, but the other side doesnt. [14:39] *britney (~britney@muarsy2vret2q.irc) has joined #techrights [14:39] matey have fun with that [14:39] matey hi britney [14:39] britney matey, hi [14:41] matey "they have a right to defend themselves" is a little bit glib in explaining either side [14:41] matey maybe moreso though from the side with all the money, all the "right" to be there regardless of dispute, all the nuclear capabilities and all the allies. [14:41] *GNUmoon2 has quit (Remote host closed the connection) [14:41] matey thats just a bit much [14:41] matey oh and the support of the global msm too [14:41] matey just a little thing [14:42] matey whatever the msm says about who should go to war with whom [14:42] *GNUmoon2 (~GNUmoon@gateway/tor-sasl/gnumoon) has joined #techrights [14:42] matey im sure theyre impartial and we shouldnt consider which oligarchs own them [14:42] MinceR 29 151140 < schestowitz[TR2]> maps = print some [14:42] MinceR waste of paper [14:43] TR News Microleaves https://krebsonsecurity.com/2022/07/breach-exposes-users-of-microleaves-proxy-service/ | Source: Krebs On Security [14:43] TR Bot Breach Exposes Users of Microleaves Proxy Service Krebs on Security [14:43] matey maps dont waste too much paper if you only buy the ones you need [14:43] schestowitz[TR2] matey: phone = waste of battery, mined material [14:43] matey or only a print one occasionally [14:44] matey phones would be so wasteful if they werent designed to be disposable [14:44] matey a phone should be good for 10 years [14:44] matey im not saying it is, im not saying that isnt a hilarious thought [14:44] schestowitz[TR2] at least [14:44] XRevan86 > (13:04:56) matey: https://yewtu.be/watch?v=7Wa1tafVp5I my favourite thing today [14:44] XRevan86 hah! [14:44] TR Bot Putin sings russian winnie the pooh - Invidious [14:44] matey :) [14:44] *techuser has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [14:45] matey this fucking algorithm [14:45] matey is sleeping on the couch tonight [14:45] MinceR also, apparently there's no better public domain equivalent license than the cc0 [14:45] matey depends [14:45] matey mostly, i agree [14:45] XRevan86 https://novayagazeta.eu/articles/2022/07/29/graphic-video-published-on-social-media-shows-two-men-in-military-uniform-castrating-soldier-who-appears-to-be-ukrainian-pow-news "Graphic video published on social media shows two men castrating and brutally murdering soldier in Ukrainian uniform" [14:45] TR Bot . [14:45] XRevan86 https://novayagazeta.eu/articles/2022/07/29/dpr-officials-say-40-ukrainian-pows-killed-at-prison-near-donetsk-following-missile-strike-news "DPR officials say 40 Ukrainian POWs killed at prison near Donetsk following missile strike" [14:45] TR Bot . [14:46] matey what do you really want from cc0? [14:46] matey it may be the best, but you can get the 99% of it that actually matters in real life from A LOT LESS text [14:46] matey and if you really think cc0 is best... just use cc0 then [14:47] matey the one drawback-- and ive personally disputed it for years! [14:47] *britney has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [14:47] matey is that it might suck as a free software license [14:47] matey despite the fsf listing it as a gpl-compatible free softwre license. [14:47] matey MIGHT suck as one. [14:47] MinceR public domain when possible and meaningful; fallback to a license that is as permissive as possible when not [14:47] matey according to, in chronological order: [14:47] matey karl fogel, voting at osi [14:48] MinceR the only thing i used cc0 for was my fvwm configuration [14:48] matey osi, resulting from karl fogels vote [14:48] matey and ibm, who are obviously the very last word on reality itself [14:48] matey thats another factor [14:48] matey when you consider the sheer dearth of cc0-licensed software [14:48] matey and i do... [14:48] matey it hasnt really been picked up for that purpose, and now likely never will be [14:48] matey even before this, it was a long shot. [14:49] matey its been a long shot at least since fogel voted dont approve more than a decade ago [14:49] MinceR maybe someone will write a derivative without the patent threat [14:49] MinceR instead of just whining about it [14:49] matey i mean its like a bicycle with 5 wheels [14:49] matey no one really needs one [14:49] matey 4 is useful, 3 can be argued, 2 is classic [14:49] matey but 5 is useless [14:50] matey and this is from one of cc0s biggest fans [14:50] XRevan86 "DPR officials say 40 Ukrainian POWs killed at prison near Donetsk following missile strike" <- https://pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2022/07/29/7360850/ [14:50] TR Bot Russians struck Olenivka to cover up the torture and execution of prisoners ? General Staff of the Armed Forces of Ukraine | Ukrainska Pravda [14:50] matey im all for tilting at windmills [14:50] matey but this windmill just isnt going to spin [14:51] matey for software, and applicable to other works [14:51] matey 0 clause bsd is the best alternative i can think of [14:51] matey and ive thought about it [14:51] matey as a bonus, you can fit the whole license in 3 comments. [14:51] matey try it with cc0. [14:51] matey now, 0 clause bsd isnt actually a pd dedication [14:51] matey youd need ONE more line for that. [14:52] matey heres what you do (imo) [14:52] matey you license it 0 clause bsd. that takes care of finland and ibms patent whinging [14:52] matey i dont give two tugs of a dead dogs cock what ibm thinks [14:52] matey im thinking about the people who care what they think [14:52] MinceR https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-Y6djzYnU9X4/Uo1dEm5J9PI/AAAAAAAAAy4/5iD62fQK9FM/s1600/steering_wheel.jpg [14:52] MinceR add training wheels [14:53] matey nice [14:53] MinceR and you end up with a bicycle with 5 wheels, all useful [14:53] matey this is what i like about you [14:53] matey youre basically the black knight, but with an argument [14:53] MinceR i think i'll leave the revision of cc0 or 0bsd to jurists [14:53] *psymin (~psymin@me3biw7mdts84.irc) has joined #techrights [14:53] matey anyway [14:54] *psymin (~psymin@user/psymin) has joined #techrights [14:54] matey suppose for example, you use 0 clause bsd [14:54] matey that does everything the cc0 fallback does [14:54] matey arguably better [14:54] matey then after you license it 0 clause [14:54] matey you use a one line pd dedication [14:55] matey voila, roll your own cc0 [14:55] matey unless cc0 does exactly what people expect it to [14:55] matey its a gimmick [14:55] matey its like peanut butter and jelly in the same jar [14:55] matey yes that exists [14:55] TR News ProPublica pretends to care about children while bagging bribes from Bill Gates, who helped Epstein smuggle thousands of underage girls for sexual exploitation https://www.propublica.org/getinvolved/help-us-investigate-termination-of-parental-rights-in-the-child-welfare-system | Source: Pro Publica [14:55] TR Bot Help Us Investigate Termination of Parental Rights in the Child Welfare System ProPublica [14:56] TR News mentions "open source", finally https://odysee.com/@rossmanngroup:a/let's-talk-about-the-next-phase-of-my:c [14:56] TR Bot let's talk about the next phase of my life [14:56] TR News I Escaped From YouTube Jail!! https://odysee.com/@BrodieRobertson:5/i-escaped-from-youtube-jail!!:c Source: Brodie Robertson [14:56] TR Bot I Escaped From YouTube Jail!! [14:56] matey but the fallback only does anything where the pd dedication doesnt work [14:56] matey and theres really not much to a functioning pd dedication [14:57] matey the only thing existing solutions lack [14:57] matey is another pb&j in the same jar [14:57] matey i think cc0 was a great idea [14:57] matey if they wanted it to stand up to this fud, cc could be a viable... oh well [14:57] matey cc is worthless, and that really hurts this [14:58] matey so you have this gimmicky license, a bunch of fud, and no org to stand up to the fud [14:58] MinceR 29 155545 < matey> its like peanut butter and jelly in the same jar [14:58] matey this isnt a workable thing [14:58] MinceR it would be, if reality was as broken as legal code is [14:58] MinceR and the "justice" system [14:59] matey it would be, if reality was as broken as legal code is <- :) fair point [14:59] IPFS IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 31.55 k/sec., IPFS upstream 15.05 average k/sec., average swarm size 0 [14:59] matey fortunately for the human race, it takes longer for legal bs to break reality than it takses for legal bullshitters to break it on paper [14:59] matey good example: patriot act ● Jul 29 [15:00] matey on paper it rips the constitution in two and wipes bush/bidens arse with it [15:00] matey in practice the constution slowly dissolves over a few decades and just smells like biden arsehole [15:01] matey which is honestly better [15:01] matey because its been 21 years [15:01] matey better still would be if anyone gave a shit [15:02] matey they will, but you have to squint like esr to see them right now [15:02] matey is that craig mundie? [15:03] MinceR in a world/country where the majority are authoritarian savages, no constitution is likely to work [15:03] matey i dont think the majority are authoritarian savages [15:03] matey however, thats an understandable mistake under the circumstances [15:03] matey the majority are hostages who honestly dont know wtf is going on-- but they think they do, and theyre pissed [15:04] matey what do you get when you cross bipolar disorder with stockholm syndrome? [15:04] matey america. youre welcome. [15:04] MinceR well, let's see [15:04] MinceR in dictatorships like red china, the state brainwashes most people to be authoritarians [15:04] MinceR in "western" dictatorship, typically 50% of the voters are "conservative" [15:05] MinceR "conservative" (i.e. fascist) parties are formally allied with fidSS and/or PiS [15:05] MinceR none of those parties declared that what fidSS and PiS did (turning a republic into a dictatorship) is incompatible with "conservative" values [15:05] matey are we talking about america or another country [15:05] matey and is america formally allied with fidss and/or pis? [15:05] MinceR therefore turning republics into dictatorships is compatible with "conservative" values [15:05] matey therefore turning republics into dictatorships is compatible with "conservative" values <- this i dont dispute [15:06] matey but the part that got you there, im curious about [15:06] MinceR the "republican" party of the USA is a member of the international "democrat" union >> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Democrat_Union [15:06] TR Bot International Democrat Union - Wikipedia [15:07] matey lol [15:07] MinceR and so is fideath [15:07] matey oh ok [15:07] matey ive never heard of the international democrat union. is it really that meaningful an alliance? [15:08] matey i mean mexico is part of nafta, but i dont blame mexico for that [15:09] matey (i realise defending republicans is a waste of time, but im only trying to figure out if they really support fidss and/or pis, so this is for that purpose) [15:09] MinceR apparently they like to pretend they stand for "democracy" while demolishing it [15:09] matey granted its basically the trump party now, and has fuck-all to do with what republicans were about when the party formed [15:09] matey rino <- republican in name only [15:10] matey apparently they like to pretend they stand for "democracy" while demolishing it <- thats a theme that goes way beyond the idu [15:10] *techuser (~techuser@erxpgrmsmh6uw.irc) has joined #techrights [15:10] MinceR the "republicans" had fuck-all to do with what they were about when the party formed even before former president Traffic Cone of Treason came out of the woodwork [15:10] MinceR indeed it does [15:10] MinceR it's what "conservatism" (i.e. fascism) is all about [15:10] matey i try not to conflate the two [15:10] matey not because theyre entirely separate-- theyre not [15:11] MinceR too late, they already did [15:11] matey not because either deserves better-- they dont [15:11] matey only because sometimes its useful to distinguish things for strategic purposes [15:11] matey and i think that applies here [15:11] matey of course that doesnt matter if you consider the prognosis hopeless [15:12] TR News Is this the Society You Want? https://odysee.com/@RobBraxmanTech:6/society2:e Source: RobBraxmanTech | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//odysee.com/@RobBraxmanTech:6/society2:e [15:12] TR Bot Is this the Society You Want? [15:12] matey im only interested in saving the world, i could give a shit about the republican party [15:12] MinceR point is, even in the allegedly "free" world, ~50% of the population voluntarily sides with "conservatives" who promote dictatorships [15:12] TR News Majority of Early Career Scientists Want to Publish Open Access, but Face Financial Barriers - SoylentNews https://soylentnews.org/article.pl?sid=22/07/28/0247217 Source: soylentnews | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//soylentnews.org/article.pl?sid=22/07/28/0247217 [15:12] TR Bot Majority of Early Career Scientists Want to Publish Open Access, but Face Financial Barriers - SoylentNews [15:12] matey well the "free" world is just the corporate world [15:12] MinceR it's not possible to do anything worthwhile with humanity, except let it go [15:12] matey so thats out [15:13] MinceR maybe replace it with something that can think for itself and survive global warming -- a general AI [15:13] matey i dont get the ai savior meme at all [15:13] matey corporations do exactly what ai does [15:13] MinceR then there's no savior [15:13] XRevan86 Did Russia just execute the Azov soldiers without taking any responsibility? [15:13] MinceR there is only oblivion [15:13] matey maximise some bullshit factor we thought would save us all [15:14] matey you put too little stock in people [15:14] matey when the problem is theyve put too much stock in other bullshit [15:14] TR News You Wanna Help My Plant? gemini://warmedal.se/~bjorn/posts/2022-07-29-you-wanna-help-my-plant.gmi [15:14] matey what if oblivion is a myth and there are an infinite number of us [15:15] matey and when you die, there are still a fucking infinite number of you left [15:15] matey not here, i mean everywhere. [15:15] TR News How to start an unencrypted chat on Matrix (Element) gemini://cadence.moe/gemlog/2022-07-29-unencrypted-chat-on-matrix.bliz [15:15] matey i dont mean you come back [15:15] matey i mean youre still playing everywhere but where you died [15:15] MinceR i've explained why people do not deserve to have stock put in them [15:16] matey you havent explained why ai deserves better [15:16] MinceR 29 161508 < matey> and when you die, there are still a fucking infinite number of you left [15:16] MinceR well, that's sadistic enough to be possible [15:16] matey well, that's sadistic enough to be possible <- isnt it though [15:16] matey its just like the fucking universe to pull some shit like that [15:16] TR News Invest in your browser, not crap https://blog.mozilla.org/en/products/firefox/new-mozilla-docuseries-firefox-presents-launch/ | Source: Mozilla [15:16] MinceR an AI can only be implemented by the minority that has a functioning brain [15:16] TR Bot New Mozilla Docuseries Firefox Presents Celebrates Creators [15:16] MinceR that already excludes most of the authoritarian savages [15:17] techuser Skywave did mention this iirc [15:17] matey mention what [15:17] matey which part of it [15:17] MinceR and while the authoritarian rabble prevents such a minority from doing just about anything meaningful, once humanity wipes itself out, they will no longer be able to do so [15:17] matey oh the ai thing? its a stupid idea [15:17] techuser what MinceR said [15:17] TR News "In this guide, we walk you through the installation of Manjaro 21 GNOME Edition" https://www.tecmint.com/install-manjaro-gnome/ | Source: TecMint [15:17] TR Bot Installation of Manjaro 21 (GNOME Edition) Desktop [15:17] matey i mean they already do it in neon genesis ffs [15:17] TR News "The VLC media player is arguably one of the most widely used media players." https://www.tecmint.com/tips-vlc-player-linux/ | Source: TecMint [15:17] matey and it doesnt work there either [15:17] TR Bot Useful Tips For VLC Player Users in Linux Desktop [15:17] matey it barely holds shit together [15:17] matey and whats the backup to the ai? [15:18] matey a bunch of kids dressed like fucking robots [15:18] matey so theres your ai [15:18] MinceR i thought the backup were the 2 other instances [15:18] MinceR also, that's fiction [15:18] matey i mean when the shtf you have it cleaned up by the kids in robot suits [15:18] techuser idk what "me/you" would mean here, but our mind is influenced by society definitely [15:18] matey i mean if we are talking ai saving the world, fiction is definitely where you would start [15:18] TR News SolidRun https://linuxgizmos.com/solidrun-presents-solidwan-devices-with-ports-dedicated-ethernet-sfp-support/ | Source: Linux Gizmos [15:18] TR Bot ( status 520 @ https://linuxgizmos.com/solidrun-presents-solidwan-devices-with-ports-dedicated-ethernet-sfp-support/ ) [15:19] TR News "Dash is one of the least known names when you think about shell family." https://linuxhandbook.com/dash-shell/ | Source: Linux Handbook [15:19] matey its not evidence, its just exploration of the idea [15:19] TR Bot What is Dash Shell in Linux? [15:19] MinceR it will be cleaned up by an atmosphere humans can't survive in [15:19] MinceR possibly by global nuclear winter [15:19] matey what we need is ri [15:19] MinceR it will be like pest control [15:19] matey which may also be fiction :) [15:19] techuser what is ri? [15:19] matey it will be like pest control <- too hitlery for my taste [15:20] techuser anyway, Skywave wants AI takeover [15:20] matey ri = real intelligence [15:20] MinceR RI is a myth [15:20] techuser replacing humans with bots [15:20] matey ai has done nothing ever to inspire confidence as a leader [15:20] MinceR there is no need for leaders [15:20] matey hell, go back and watch the classic trek with nomad [15:20] matey that spanked the perfect ai idea to hell [15:20] MinceR the whole "leader" meme is only good for giving sociopaths all the power they want [15:20] matey the whole "leader" meme is only good for giving sociopaths all the power they want <- ai would maximise that, not minimise it [15:21] MinceR considering what we're comparing it to, it doesn't need to be perfect [15:21] matey its a fucking terribile idea [15:21] MinceR sociopaths won't survive [15:21] techuser I have no faith in society [15:21] matey considering what we're comparing it to, it doesn't need to be perfect <- this is the fallacy that would wipe us out instantly, and you wouldnt complain even if you could [15:21] matey if we are going to destroy ourselves anyway, we dont need to build an ai to do it [15:21] TR News "This is the first part of beginner's video editing tutorial with OpenShot" https://www.ubuntubuzz.com/2022/07/openshot-video-editing-part-1.html | Source: Ubuntubuzz [15:21] TR Bot OpenShot Video Editing Part 1: Getting Started [15:22] MinceR indeed [15:22] MinceR that is not the role of the AI in this [15:22] matey I have no faith in society <- to be fair, you dont get out much [15:22] MinceR humanity will wipe itself out quite nicely [15:22] matey that is not the role of the AI in this <- thats what it would do [15:22] MinceR to be fair, human society doesn't deserve any faith [15:22] matey I have no faith in society <- to be fair, you dont get out much <- to be afair, theres a war on [15:23] techuser maybe evolution creating a human was a mistake [15:23] techuser two missiles did hit my city yesterday [15:23] techuser the other time they can kill me [15:23] matey yeah thats a valid point [15:23] matey having a good reason (even a few) to be isolated [15:23] matey doesnt change the fact that being isolated makes it a lot harder to judge society reasonably [15:24] MinceR if life on earth wants to survive past the Sun boiling away our atmosphere and water, it needs intelligence [15:24] matey its sort of an ivory tower effect [15:24] MinceR too bad it only evolved humans instead [15:24] matey without the ivory [15:24] matey if life on earth wants to survive past the Sun boiling away our atmosphere and water, it needs intelligence <- yeah [15:24] techuser will humans even survive to this point? [15:24] techuser or just some random war destroys them all eventually [15:24] matey obviously first on the agenda is dialing down humanitys threat to itself [15:25] MinceR humans will wipe themselves out, though i wonder what method they'll go with [15:25] matey fixing that will only help our odds of outrunning the sun [15:25] MinceR just making the planet uninhabitable for themselves [15:25] MinceR or war [15:25] TR News Hacking osu!lazer for fun and fun gemini://cadence.moe/gemlog/2022-04-07-hacking-osu-lazer-for-fun-and-fun.bliz [15:25] MinceR or some sort of faster human-made catastrophe [15:25] MinceR or uncontrollable population decline in a resource crisis [15:26] matey all valid points [15:26] MinceR or genocide [15:26] MinceR also, i wonder what will the criteria be for war/genocide [15:26] matey what would you recommend [15:26] MinceR religion, race, ethnicity, sex, sexual preference [15:26] matey none of the above [15:26] MinceR i would recommend getting rid of all the savages and idiots and authoritarians and starting society over [15:26] MinceR maybe dump them in red china [15:27] matey thats not a genetic issue, its a political one [15:27] matey genocide wont fix anything, because it doesnt address an actual problem [15:27] MinceR it's not meant to fix anything [15:27] MinceR it's just something humans do [15:27] MinceR A and B gang up to kill C, not realizing that once C is dead, they're going to try to kill each other [15:28] matey youd have to give a b and c a better idea [15:28] matey then if they dont get it straight, shoot them [15:28] MinceR i don't think they have the mental capacity to do anything better [15:28] matey its not about mental capacity [15:28] MinceR they could try to stay out of my way, but i doubt they can even do that [15:28] MinceR yes it is [15:28] matey its about a failed education [15:28] matey its really not [15:28] matey this isnt an iq points thing [15:29] MinceR no one said it was [15:29] matey mental capacity / iq... we are going to quibble? [15:29] MinceR yes we are [15:29] matey ok, but whats the quibble then? [15:29] MinceR iq is a very limited tool, not really useful beyond what it was invented to do [15:29] matey agreed [15:30] matey but i think youre measuring mental capacity in education [15:30] IPFS () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-07-28.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-07-29.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi [15:30] matey and thats what iq tests do [15:30] matey and the argument has the same flaw either way [15:30] matey the issue is education, not "mental capacity" [15:30] matey the fix is also education [15:31] matey granted, education wont work on psychopaths [15:31] matey and the jury is out on sociopaths [15:31] MinceR i'm not measuring it in education [15:31] matey thats the problem. you should. [15:32] MinceR i'm "measuring" it in the ability to not ruin one's own future, in the ability to learn and understand, in the ability to coexist with others that are willing to do so [15:32] matey actually im going back and forth because of semantics [15:32] matey but i mean, education is the issue here [15:32] matey and if two people with the same mental capacity get very different educations [15:32] MinceR in little things like "should i really promote dictatorship so much when i can't be sure that i'll end up at the top of it all?" [15:32] matey they get wildly different results [15:32] matey in little things like "should i really promote dictatorship so much when i can't be sure that i'll end up at the top of it all?" [15:32] techuser is compulsory education when children are forced to use evil tech *good*? [15:33] matey ent results <- the disparity in education will produce as great a disparity in lesson learned [15:33] matey if you teach people to be stupid, they will be stupid. [15:33] MinceR also in little things like "i've tried this thing 90 times and every time it failed. should i try it again, or should i try something else?" [15:33] matey its not the only way, but its the most popular [15:33] matey also in little things like "i've tried this thing 90 times and every time it failed. should i try it again, or should i try something else?" <- of course [15:34] matey /me thinks this one is obvious [15:34] matey i mean if people "think" that way [15:34] matey they were taught to [15:34] techuser I tell cuddlybear66 that she'd better not to have children because a lot of parents did fail at being good parents. She thinks he will be a good one. [15:34] matey i should say "conditioned" to [15:34] MinceR well, some people figured out that what they're trying to teach them is bullshit [15:34] matey yeah [15:34] MinceR some people became cured of religion this way [15:34] matey and if not for people like that, we would all be fucked [15:34] techuser *she thinks she will be a good one [15:34] MinceR or rather, cured themselves [15:35] matey religions not so bad [15:35] MinceR yeah, it's so much worse [15:35] matey fundamentalism and theocracy are terrible [15:35] MinceR and fundamentalism and theocracy follow from religion [15:35] matey if you take out fundamentalism and theocracy, those are the "big teeth" of religion that get everybody [15:35] techuser Islam terrorism exists [15:35] matey and fundamentalism and theocracy follow from religion <- they dont [15:35] MinceR destroying the ability to think rationally is a big tooth too [15:35] cuddlybear66 a lot of parents have failed but u can look at their mistakes nd learn from them, strive to be better than ur own parents so u can make ur kids happy [15:36] matey give me one example of fundamentalism or theocracy [15:36] matey and ill show you the error [15:36] MinceR no amount of praying will prevent an asteroid or the Sun from wiping you out [15:36] matey first, theocracy follows from state authoritarianism [15:36] matey you cant have theocracy without an authoritarian state [15:36] matey but you can have an authoritarian state without theocracy [15:36] MinceR fundamentalism follows from absolute certainty in one's beliefs [15:36] matey yeah [15:36] MinceR theocracy follows from fundamentalism [15:37] matey you can have all of this without religion. saying it comes from religion seems to fly in the face of facts [15:37] matey all of this PAIRS with religion. but so what? [15:37] matey if you mix crack with chocolate, you get chocolatey crack and it will kill you [15:38] matey or just destroy your life [15:38] matey and too much chocolate will kill you too [15:38] matey but for most people, chocolate isnt their biggest concern in life [15:38] techuser I should ask horseface what he thinks on it [15:39] matey without pairing up with other more terrible ideas [15:39] matey religion is just a hobby [15:39] MinceR religion is a memetic parasite that destroys the mind [15:39] techuser for some people it is the meaning of life [15:40] techuser is it a hobby when someone kills themselves because the religion told them to? [15:40] MinceR the best hobby [15:40] matey religion is a memetic parasite that destroys the mind <- if you look into how it does that, im sure youll find the real problem lays elsewhere [15:40] techuser and not only themselves, but also a lot of other people [15:40] MinceR one of the real problems is that most human minds are defenseless against such memetic pathogens [15:40] MinceR that doesn't absolve religion [15:40] matey anything can become what you call a religion [15:40] matey trumpism is basically there now [15:41] matey which god do we blame trumpism on [15:41] MinceR trumpism is an aspect of ruscism [15:41] MinceR ruscism is christian fundamentalist [15:41] MinceR we blame it on yahweh [15:41] techuser some people on digdeeper's chat did mention skywavism (ping Skywave) iirc, as well as other invented religions related to the members of the chat [15:41] matey what if yhwh has fuck all to do with this [15:41] MinceR though maybe erdogan is a muslim ruscist, i'm not sure [15:41] MinceR but muslims worship yahweh all the same [15:42] matey i mean i can start chopping off heads and blame john lennon for it [15:42] matey john lennon makes people kill each other man [15:42] techuser oh, Church of Emacs btw [15:42] matey im pretty sure church of emacs is harmless [15:43] matey because it isnt really fundamentalist or theocratic [15:43] techuser some people think "freetardism" is harmful [15:43] matey but someday it might suddenly spawn fundamentalism or theocracy-- like roaches from newspapers [15:43] matey a similar post hoc fallacy [15:44] matey its funny because [15:44] MinceR 29 164227 < matey> i mean i can start chopping off heads and blame john lennon for it [15:44] MinceR so where's the scripture/dogma about john lennon? [15:44] matey fundamentalism is VERY CLEARLY a separate factor that makes these things horrible [15:44] MinceR also, when did john lennon become a god [15:45] matey but religious critics honestly think that all religion has this magic spark that could just set off fundamentalism spontaneously at any horrible momeny [15:45] MinceR fundamentalism very clearly follows from religion [15:45] techuser celebrities have fans [15:45] matey without any explanation of the mechanism [15:45] matey otoh [15:45] MinceR afaict no human did even reach divine rank 0 (quasi-deity) from fans [15:45] matey if you treat fundamentalism as a separate factor that doesnt spontaneously spring magically from religious thinking [15:45] MinceR iirc that would already make them immortal :> [15:45] matey its relatively easy to explain where it comes from [15:45] matey first, it comes from desperation. [15:46] matey we can trace the causes of that desperation [15:46] techuser otoh? [15:46] MinceR the mechanism is taking one's religion more and more seriously, being more and more sure about everything in it [15:46] matey otoh = on the other hand [15:46] MinceR from which follows that everyone else is wrong, heretical, therefore expendable [15:46] matey the mechanism is taking one's religion more and more ser [15:46] MinceR and also that everything in life must be organized according to that religion [15:47] matey if people are not denied education [15:47] matey they arent that stupid [15:47] matey i wasnt denied an education [15:47] matey i was VERY sceptical of religious bullshit at age 4 [15:47] MinceR it typically have such elements as "nonbelievers must be forcefully converted so that they don't get tortured in hell forever, it's for their own good" [15:48] MinceR s/ve/s/ [15:48] matey granted i was denied good math and social studies, like most people [15:48] matey im 100% sceptical of theocracy (im 100% against it) [15:48] matey and fundamentalism (it destroys lives) [15:49] matey (even when it doesnt literally kill people_) [15:49] matey both are forms of authoritarianism that borrow religion as justification [15:49] matey hitler didnt spring forth from zoroastrianism [15:49] matey he just looked around for an interesting excuse for being hitler [15:50] matey and liked swastikas [15:50] matey that should make it clearer where this shit comes from [15:50] matey religion isnt the cause, its the excuse [15:50] matey it gets taken over by authoritarian dicks [15:51] matey but the authoritarianism is the issue [15:51] matey "im your leader." "says who?" "god of course" [15:51] matey over and over and again. egypt. england. japan. [15:52] matey "go put some milk out" [15:52] matey "why?" [15:52] matey "fae folk" [15:52] matey "k, whatever" [15:52] MinceR the idea of other people being wrong and therefore lacking in rights comes in well before the authoritarian dicks take over [15:52] matey harmless [15:52] matey people are wrong all the fucking time [15:52] MinceR doesn't mean they should be tortured for it [15:52] matey youre really implying that everyone has to be a scientist not to kill each other over fairies [15:52] matey it isnt so [15:53] matey all they have to do is not kill each other without a good reason [15:53] MinceR especially when the basis of this is a memetically spreading set of misconceptions about reality [15:53] MinceR no, i'm implying that people need to accept that other people can be right too, and other people can have rights too [15:53] MinceR even if they don't have the same (or any) religion [15:54] matey i agree [15:54] matey but if they cant agree to that much [15:54] matey thats fundamentalism [15:54] matey and religion really doesnt produce fundamentalists very reliably [15:54] MinceR and that's what you'll find in many scriptures [15:54] MinceR pretty early on [15:54] matey most christians and muslims arent out to join a crusade [15:54] MinceR though i guess abrahamism really outdoes everything else at this [15:54] matey abrahamism is broadly plagiarised anyway [15:55] matey (in both directions) [15:55] MinceR no, they're merely out to support sociopaths who treat everyone outside their cult as designated victims [15:55] MinceR and also out to provide the active religious extremists with cover and excuses [15:55] matey we agree that sociopaths are a major problem in all of this [15:55] matey one of the biggest problems [15:56] MinceR many christians admitted already that their voting is influenced by which party spouts their preferred flavor of religious bullshit [15:57] matey christianity has been co-opted by statists since the time romans killed (or allegedly killed) jesus (assuming he even existed) [15:57] matey its tied together with the state in so many ways now [15:57] matey but all that goes back to it being co-opted by an existing state [15:57] matey its rome that made christianity suck, not the other way around [15:57] matey and statists still do that [15:57] matey its a big thing [15:58] matey but for some reason we act like that magically SPRANG FORTH from christianity itself [15:59] matey the goal here is to understand religion and how it works-- both the good (if any) and the bad [15:59] MinceR christianity has had support for statism in its scriptures for a very long time [15:59] matey not to absolve it or to blame it for things that are clearly outside factors [15:59] MinceR also for slavery [15:59] MinceR and so has judaism ● Jul 29 [16:00] MinceR also, afaik rome was better before christianity became its state religion [16:00] MinceR they were much more tolerant of other religions at least [16:01] matey monotheism and fundamentalism do attract each other [16:01] MinceR polytheism is inherently more tolerant than monotheism [16:01] matey monotheism CAN be tolerant [16:01] matey but it starts to look like polytheism then [16:02] matey monotheism and polythism are largely an argument about how to count things [16:02] matey catholicism has 3 deities but only one really counts and besides theyre the same [16:02] matey so there [16:03] matey paganism can do that too, but we dont let them, so there [16:03] matey it counts when i do it, not when you do it [16:03] matey its the same, but theres a nuance [16:03] matey all polytheism can be monotheistic through the silly tricks monotheism pulls [16:03] matey and its fine [16:04] matey its just that some monotheists get this [16:04] matey and most will never admit it :) [16:04] matey so monotheism often acts as a sort of "my shit doesnt stink" thing [16:04] matey and joseph campbell understandably had this attitude towards it [16:05] matey imo the people who really understand monotheism arent like that, so it doesnt bother me [16:05] matey but i still see the people who think theyre special for it [16:05] matey really i think if you get rid of religion [16:05] matey first, you can only do it by incredibly oppressive means [16:06] matey then after you do that, people are just going to invent it again [16:06] matey so what was that for [16:06] matey newton became a rather lovely scientist without giving up crazy [16:06] matey the enlightenment came out either way [16:07] matey as for marx and lenin, both were of the opinion that if you addressed the real problems in the world [16:07] matey religion would sort of fade away [16:07] matey and become a non-issue [16:07] matey ive always thought similar, but not because of marx or lenin [16:07] matey they just happened to agree [16:07] matey its a symptom [16:08] matey it looks like a very violent cause [16:08] matey its a very violent symptom imo [16:08] matey but only when combined with other factors [16:08] matey religious idiots vote for religious idiots, yes [16:09] matey but only in an election system which is fundametally broken [16:09] matey and religion didnt break it [16:09] matey it just moved into the cracks [16:09] matey if you banned religion and only left atheists standing, the election system wouldnt be fixed [16:09] matey if you fixed it however, it would actually represent people [16:10] matey not the lunatic fringe [16:10] phanes no it would just think it was smarter than anyone [16:10] matey what would think so? [16:10] phanes atheism is the lowest order of spiritual thought [16:10] MinceR 29 170544 < matey> really i think if you get rid of religion [16:10] MinceR i would hope it could become obsolete [16:10] MinceR and unattractive to people [16:10] matey of course it can [16:10] MinceR but taking power away from fundamentalists would help a lot [16:10] matey 99% of relgion is a cheap trick [16:10] matey and the rest is harmless [16:11] matey but taking power away from fundamentalists would help a lot <- if everyone was armed, that would help [16:11] techuser people are afraid of death, religion kind of addresses the issue, isn't it? [16:11] phanes it presents itself as an evolution of human thinking while accumulating all of the faith-based backing it rejects in contrary perspectives [16:11] matey relgion hooks into every fear, death among those [16:11] MinceR 29 170717 < matey> as for marx and lenin, both were of the opinion that if you addressed the real problems in the world [16:11] MinceR and so they started another religion [16:11] MinceR based on misconceptions about economics [16:11] matey fear of loneliness, fear of failure, fear of death, fear of being useless [16:11] MinceR and then later added misconceptions about biology [16:11] matey fear of TEMPTATION [16:12] matey based on misconceptions about economics <- i think the playing field is pretty level when it comes to misconceptions about economics [16:12] matey everybody has them more or less [16:12] matey the distribution is close enough to perfect [16:12] MinceR also, banning religion is impossible unless you can read people's thoughts [16:13] MinceR and that would be even worse [16:13] matey yes [16:13] MinceR thought police [16:13] matey which is why i always argue for religion [16:13] matey ill take it over the thought police, just like youll take turing completeness over memory safety :) [16:13] *techuser has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [16:13] MinceR 29 171245 < matey> based on misconceptions about economics <- i think the playing field is pretty level when it comes to misconceptions about economics [16:13] phanes freedom of religion is also freedom from religion* [16:13] matey indeed [16:14] phanes in other words, an atheist should be allowed to exist [16:14] MinceR most people understand that discounts do not retroactively reduce the amount of work necessary to produce a good [16:14] matey of course [16:14] phanes but they should also be willing to be identified as the dumbest thinker in the room of a theologians [16:14] MinceR marx and ricardo did not [16:14] phanes *in a room of theologians [16:14] MinceR lol @ phanes [16:14] matey ricardo? [16:15] matey he has some splaining to do [16:15] matey who is ricardo [16:15] MinceR someone blamed with coming up with the labor theory of value [16:16] matey when i think about the labour theory of value [16:16] matey i cant get past "workers deserve as much pay for their work as their bosses get" [16:17] matey if its more than that, i dont get it [16:17] matey if its that, ok [16:17] MinceR it has nothing to do with that [16:17] *britney (~britney@muarsy2vret2q.irc) has joined #techrights [16:17] matey and im sure theres a "because" and thats fine too [16:17] matey but eh [16:17] matey it has nothing to do with that <- but that seems to be all it is [16:17] MinceR LTV states that the value of goods is determined by the labor that went into producing them and nothing else [16:17] matey and whatever else it is, i cant discern [16:18] MinceR marx's capital is basically just restating the LTV over and over and over until you get tired of reading it and look for something else to do [16:18] matey LTV states that the value of goods is determined by the labor that went into producing them and nothing else <- im sure the cost of materials is factored in [16:18] MinceR with a bit of other stupidity mixed in [16:18] matey marx's capital is basically just restating the LTV over and over and over until you get tired of reading it and look for something else to do <- it certainly kept lenin busy though [16:18] MinceR allegedly materials are either just there (and thus free) or are extracted with labor [16:19] MinceR lenin wanted power, it was good for that [16:19] matey i think ive heard that [16:19] matey lenin wanted power, it was good for that <- what did he use the power for [16:19] MinceR sociopath things [16:19] MinceR holding on to power, gaining more power, running other people's lives [16:20] MinceR getting rid of people he didn't like [16:20] matey too bad that didnt include stalin [16:20] MinceR indeed [16:20] matey to be fair, he was a bit incapacitated [16:20] matey but its unfortunate nonetheless [16:21] matey making anticapitalism work is necessary for humanity to move onto another stage of potential [16:21] matey the nicest thing you can say for capitalism is it has reached its last plataeu [16:22] phanes anyone who's ever started a business knows the owner of the means of production works way harder with way higher risk than anyone they're ever going to hire in about 99% of all cases [16:22] MinceR what is anticapitalism, how does it work [16:22] matey anticapitalism is an umbrella term, like computer [16:23] phanes you screw up at a job working for someone else, you might lose that job at the worse; you screw up a company you own, everybody loses their jobs and you might ruin your life in the process [16:23] matey and like computers, anticapitalism comes in a variety of forms and architectures [16:23] *techuser (~techuser@qbeewnuez7vaq.irc) has joined #techrights [16:24] MinceR most people who have ever started a business probably don't know how sociopaths who were born into incredible wealth and power run the businesses they own [16:24] matey + [16:24] MinceR you screw up one of the companies you were born to own, you probably don't care much [16:24] matey more than that [16:24] MinceR and most of those people think nothing of the people who work for them [16:24] matey most people who start a business in a context already controlled by those who could buy and sell microsoft or ibm 1000 times [16:25] MinceR think of someone like bill gates or steve jobs [16:25] matey do so in ^ [16:25] matey not even bill gates or steve jobs [16:25] matey someone who can OWN bill gates or steve jobs [16:25] MinceR or former president Don Corrupcione [16:25] matey lets say microsoft or ibm REALLY decided to stand up for people [16:25] matey instead of money [16:26] matey theyd be fucked. [16:26] matey thats how broken the system is [16:26] matey steve ballmer and bill gates, two of the richest people on earth [16:26] matey couldnt fix it [16:26] matey nor would they try, but even if they did [16:26] MinceR not to mention someone who owns businesses only on paper but doesn't run them, like lorinc meszaros (orban's best known stooge) [16:27] matey so you can run a business with the best intentions and the hardest work [16:27] MinceR 29 172256 < matey> anticapitalism is an umbrella term, like computer [16:27] matey but your company is ultimately going to fuck people [16:27] matey because thats what companies do [16:27] MinceR no, anticapitalism is yet another of those terms that are so vague they might as well be meaningless [16:27] matey of course, in some way we can measure, it might help [16:27] matey but in the big picture, its all fucked [16:27] MinceR connected to using "capitalism" to mean everything "bad" but never defining it and never offering a solution [16:28] MinceR 29 172736 < matey> because thats what companies do [16:28] matey no, anticapitalism is yet another of those terms that are so vague they might as well be meaningless <- its as non-vague as "atheist" for fucks sake [16:28] MinceR is it what co-ops do? [16:28] MinceR is it what foundations do? [16:28] matey define atheist. [16:28] MinceR yeah, the above uses of "atheist" also didn't add anything to the conversation [16:29] MinceR atheist is someone who doesn't believe in any gods [16:29] matey and an anticapitalist is someone who doesnt believe capitalism is good or should be relied on [16:29] matey thats pretty straightforward [16:29] matey so anticapitalism is the search for some better alternative to capitalism [16:29] matey whats the problem with that? [16:29] MinceR iirc weak atheism == absence of belief in any gods; strong atheism == belief that no gods exist [16:29] MinceR ("god" isn't really defined though...) [16:30] matey religion defines god, atheist is a response to that [16:30] matey really atheism only needs to define theism-- not god [16:30] matey obviously [16:30] *psydruid is looking forward to a discussion about fundamentalist atheists and atheist fundamentalists [16:30] MinceR different religions define it differently [16:30] XRevan86 An atheist is someone who's worldview does not involve gods. [16:30] XRevan86 * whose [16:30] MinceR and no, atheism is not a response to religions [16:30] MinceR it's the default state [16:31] matey different religions define it differently <- what do you have against blanket terms with obvious and easy to understand meanings [16:31] MinceR nothing, i'd like to see obvious and easy to understand meanings [16:31] matey its easy if you try [16:31] MinceR for example, the abrahamic definition of "god" is that it's yahweh, and there can be no others [16:32] matey then atheism rejects that [16:32] matey along with the rest of them [16:32] MinceR every non-abrahamic religion rejects that [16:32] matey also true [16:32] XRevan86 Is being a GNU/Linux user a response to Windows? [16:32] matey actually, almost [16:32] MinceR could be, but not necessarily [16:32] XRevan86 Are we all defined by Windows? [16:32] matey Is being a GNU/Linux user a response to Windows? <- no its a response to a missing printer driver [16:32] MinceR lol [16:33] matey though stallman disputes that [16:33] matey presumably because really he just didnt want to leave the ai lab. [16:33] phanes MinceR, you're defining atheism as agnosticism [16:33] matey or to be the last one there [16:33] XRevan86 matey: I don't have a printer, so I wouldn't know. [16:33] matey i used to [16:33] matey but it went missing before the driver did [16:33] MinceR phanes: well, weak atheism and weak agnosticism are somewhat similar [16:33] matey so we need free hardware [16:33] XRevan86 I do have a scanner that doesn't work on Windows, so there's that. [16:34] MinceR weak agnosticism == no position on whether gods exist; strong agnosticism == belief that the existence of gods cannot be known [16:34] matey strong agnosticism == belief that the existence of gods cannot be known <- me [16:35] matey strong agnostics: you can experience the infinite but you cant GRASP it unless youre infinite [16:35] matey so the idea of being sure of a god is silly [16:35] matey it could be a god or just a really big jerk [16:36] matey i think this is a reasonable perspective scientifically [16:36] XRevan86 I kind of stopped caring about the term "agnostic", as it's similiar to claiming that it cannot be known whether Klingons exist. [16:36] matey but i dont think faith is stupid. it depends on what it does. [16:36] MinceR :> [16:36] MinceR i stopped caring about agnosticism and atheism, i prefer nonreligion [16:36] matey nonreligion sounds pretty agnostic to me but ok [16:36] MinceR :> [16:37] matey I kind of stopped caring about the term "agnostic", as it's similiar to claiming that it cannot be known whether Klingons exist. <- its just a phase [16:38] matey assuming youre smarter than billions of people over a petty disagreement on something that allegedly doesnt even matter to you [16:38] MinceR it's easy to be smarter than billions of people, unfortunately [16:38] XRevan86 matey: I'm just highly non-superstitious. [16:38] matey fair point [16:38] XRevan86 I call it "atheist", call it what ye like. [16:38] matey matey: I'm just highly non-superstitious. <- ill accept this as a possibility [16:38] matey atheist is a perfectly reasonable term for that. i would assume its accurate as well [16:38] *u-amarsh04 has quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!) [16:39] XRevan86 When I try to understand something about the world, god is never in the equation. [16:40] *u-amarsh04 (~amarsh04@5tcc2vuaj9aks.irc) has joined #techrights [16:40] XRevan86 The moment when I grossly misunderstood something because I forgot to account for god, hasn't happened yet. [16:40] matey it might cause you to misunderstand theists a bit [16:41] XRevan86 matey: That's not "god", that's "theology". [16:41] MinceR https://files.explosm.net/comics/Dave/wedgieboard.png ( https://explosm.net/comics/dave-wedgieboard#comic ) [16:41] TR Bot & Happiness (Explosm.net) [16:41] matey well i made that point before, so fair enough [16:43] XRevan86 Or maybe "psychology", but that is a very different topic from looking at the objective world around us. [16:43] matey psychology and evolution are two things that took a great deal of early inspiration from religion [16:44] MinceR good thing they shook it off, then [16:44] matey freud (jung moreso) took more than a few pages from belief systems [16:44] phanes MinceR, they're not somewhat similar, the word atheist means something, and the word agnostic means something, and those two words have different meanings [16:44] matey and darwin (that darwin) was trying to better understand gods creation [16:45] matey in the venn diagram weak atheist and agnosticism do have a great deal of overlap [16:45] matey strong atheism isnt agnosticism [16:45] matey and no one talks about strong agnosticism, but he didnt make it up [16:46] matey i would have defined it roughly the same and mincer and i have never spoken about this before [16:46] matey still, he rejected the word atheist when i compared it to anticapitalist [16:47] phanes no i mean the concept of "weak atheism" is fictitious [16:47] matey and then proceeded to define atheist just fine, so im not sure what that means [16:47] XRevan86 MinceR: Non-religion is something that also includes people who "feel" there's a higher being out there, but aren't indoctrinated into anything. [16:47] phanes its agnostics who don't know the word "agnostic" [16:47] matey no i mean the concept of "weak atheism" is fictitious <- if by fictitious you mean in the dictionary and accurately describing a swath of actual people, sure [16:47] MinceR lol [16:48] phanes in fact the whole segmentation is purely driven by atheist communities' desire to obscure the shallowness and lack of thought of their entire premise [16:48] matey well i do think most atheism is shallow. same for most relgion [16:49] matey but shallowness isnt a requirement for either [16:49] matey its more of a convention [16:49] phanes "well maybe nobody will notice we're not thinking if we divide up into a bunch of labels already accounted for in existing terminology and pretend weve tread ground" [16:49] matey i think sagan was a deep atheist [16:49] XRevan86 Atheism is not really what can connect people together. [16:49] matey phanes, read "is there an artificial god" in salmon of doubt and youll have a pretty good idea what i think about all this [16:50] matey except that i think its the best thing a strong atheist has written on the subject [16:50] matey and im not an atheist [16:50] matey but dna certainly was [16:50] phanes adams wasn't a strong atheist [16:50] phanes he was an atheist [16:50] matey he believed there was no god [16:50] phanes that's an atheist [16:50] matey how has strong/weak atheism eluded you as a concept? [16:51] MinceR i didn't realize "thinking" meant "uncritically accepting what was handed down to me" [16:51] phanes matey, because it's fictious [16:51] matey okay, what makes it a fiction? [16:51] matey in what way is it fictional; [16:51] MinceR apparently people who disagree with phanes are fictional [16:51] phanes no the people are real, they're just not very smart [16:52] XRevan86 MinceR: "Thinking" means "classification of minutiae until complete ridiculousness". [16:52] matey douglasadams.eu/douglas-adams-and-god-portrait-of-a-radical-atheist/ [16:52] matey Douglas had not been an atheist all his life. When he was young, he was extremely religious. Let's remember that when he was born, his father was studying for a postgraduate degree in theology, and had a view to taking orders. Douglas was brought up in the Christian tradition. [16:52] matey ^ didnt know that until today [16:52] matey no the people are real, they're just not very smart <- no one can make you qualify that, it would still be nice [16:52] MinceR XRevan86: most things are ridiculous, especially the ones involving humans, so don't be surprised if that's what you find at the bottom [16:53] matey adams was a self described "radical atheist" [16:54] matey "Isn't it enough to see that a garden is beautiful without having to believe that there are fairies at the bottom of it too?" [16:54] XRevan86 Maybe there are such things as weak anti-slaverists and strong anti-slaverists. [16:54] matey there were actually. [16:54] XRevan86 And slavery agnostics who haven't thought about slavery because it hasn't been on the agenda for them ever. [16:54] MinceR if you define it, it will exist [16:55] matey most abolitionists simply wanted to reform until slavery wasnt a big deal or it went out of style [16:55] MinceR that's how terminology works [16:55] matey i mean youre basically joking that politics can be radical or not [16:55] matey which is of course true [16:56] matey john brown was a radical abolitionist [16:56] matey and through his actions, and the slaveowners reaction to the same, the latter radicalised the "weak" (reformist) abolitionists [16:57] matey and it split a country and led to one of the (at the time) largest wars in history [16:57] matey so yeah, there were weak anti-slaverists and strong ones [16:57] matey by any reasonable measure [16:58] XRevan86 matey: Isn't that more of a "course of action" kind of deal rather than the general opinion, as is what's always measured around religion? [16:59] IPFS IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 31.55 k/sec., IPFS upstream 15.05 average k/sec., average swarm size 0 ● Jul 29 [17:00] XRevan86 My line of thinking was a bit faulty, but that was because I looked at it from the lense of superstitious beliefs. [17:00] matey matey: Isn't that more of a "course of action" kind of deal rather than the general opinion, as is what's always measured around religion? <- sure [17:00] matey but imo the only advantage to distinguishing between weak and strong atheism [17:01] XRevan86 So pretty much passive things rather than real abolition action. [17:01] matey is to better understand that its not th same for everyone [17:01] matey So pretty much passive things rather than real abolition action. <- yes but imo that distinction is beside the point that similar distinctions exist among both terms [17:02] XRevan86 matey: I think that that is more of an expression thing rather than the inner state of mind. [17:02] matey and the idea was to dismiss that distinction as silly [17:02] matey but if if inadvertently demonstrated it further as non-silly, my point is valid [17:02] matey again, imo. but i did explain it. [17:02] XRevan86 Different people express their idea of why they're different from the religious folk differently. [17:02] *GNUmoon2 has quit (Remote host closed the connection) [17:03] matey youve watered it down a little, but sure [17:04] MinceR sometimes their idea really is different :> [17:04] matey imo yes [17:04] XRevan86 An atheist inherently doesn't take the whole concept of "god" seriously. [17:04] MinceR i've even read folk claiming they're "spiritual but not religious" [17:04] *GNUmoon2 (~GNUmoon@gateway/tor-sasl/gnumoon) has joined #techrights [17:04] matey what they mean is they like some of the ideas but not enough to convince anyone they fit a rigid system [17:05] matey sort of religions version of non-binary (but non-integer would probably fit betteR) [17:05] XRevan86 Trying to put on a spectre of how real their believe god to be is the line of thinking of a theist. [17:05] matey i dont get that part, atheists do that too [17:06] matey also i dont think its a spectre, its a simple quantification [17:06] matey its a category or literally a subcategory [17:06] XRevan86 It's just not a natural way of thinking for an atheists, so they give weird answers when they're forced to look at their worldview from that perspective. [17:06] matey this is a weird line of thinking [17:07] matey occam lends himself really easily to this [17:07] XRevan86 matey: Consider how people would answer "how real are the elves". [17:07] matey thats not an accurate summary [17:07] XRevan86 The variety will surprise you [17:07] XRevan86 Even though no one takes elves seriously. [17:07] matey i would say that people who prefer darker colours include people who prefer green, people who prefer blue and people who prefer violet [17:08] matey and that this is not a nonsensical statement, but a perfectly reasonable one [17:08] MinceR "Go not to the Elves for counsel, for they will say both no and yes." [17:08] matey atheists include people who believe there is no god and people who have no belief [17:08] XRevan86 Elves exist for no one, and yet we'll find weak aelfists and strong aelfists. [17:09] matey i thought this was a settled matter in the dictionary and general understanding [17:09] matey but i guess anything can be disputed [17:09] XRevan86 matey: What do ye believe regarding elves? They don't exist, no belief or other? [17:10] XRevan86 Then repeat for gnomes, goblins and The Doctor (Who). [17:11] TR News #HowTo Install and Use Homebrew Package Manager on Linux Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167790 [17:11] TR Bot How to Install and Use Homebrew Package Manager on Linux | Tux Machines [17:11] matey this is condescension posing as a reasonable point [17:11] TR News Best Free and Open Source Alternatives to Apple Dictionary Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167791 [17:11] TR Bot Best Free and Open Source Alternatives to Apple Dictionary | Tux Machines [17:11] matey but i think youre going out of your way to miss something factual, and im not playing [17:12] matey though it could be fun, its a waste of my time to satisfy your ego [17:12] matey and what other purpose it could serve, i cant imagine [17:12] matey im the one defending openmindedness here [17:13] matey youre the one turning that on its head in an effort to defeat the same in a battle of rhetoric [17:13] matey i cant say im impressed [17:13] matey but either way its smug [17:14] matey youve literally turned your nose up at the dictionary to try to be better than me [17:14] matey i cant help you there [17:14] matey once we cant agreee on the dictionary, we just cant agree [17:14] XRevan86 The point is that all those things are not believed to be real by the people who don't believe in them. [17:14] XRevan86 But answers will invariably differ. [17:14] matey whatever the point was, its gone now [17:15] XRevan86 And people can be classified on that however useless that is. [17:15] matey i mean why bother classifying things that are similar at all [17:15] XRevan86 It's all about *what* is being classified. [17:16] matey better to make false assumptions [17:16] matey i mean my argument was it would create a better understanding [17:16] matey because it does that [17:16] matey but you think thats silly [17:16] matey so okay [17:18] XRevan86 My view is that people can be classified on how accepting they are of mystical explanations. [17:18] matey coulda fooled me [17:18] TR News "Airbus unmanned glider has been flying for 42 days without landing" https://digit.site36.net/2022/07/28/airbus-zephyr-stratospheric-drone-beats-own-record/ | Source: Site36 [17:18] TR Bot Airbus Zephyr: Stratospheric drone beats own record Security Architectures in the EU [17:18] MinceR "not believed to be real" can be interpreted in multiple ways [17:19] XRevan86 Not on how sure they are god definitely is not out there somewhere or not. [17:19] MinceR including "doesn't have an effect on my life", "i don't care", "i'm absolutely sure it doesn't exist", ... [17:19] TR News SpellBinding: AYNRSWC Wordo: SCRIP gemini://tilde.cafe/~spellbinding/gemlog/2022-07-29.gmi [17:19] matey again, your strawman makes this whole thing pointless to discuss [17:19] matey its not an honest argument [17:19] MinceR well, yahweh is defined in such a way that it can't exist [17:19] MinceR other gods can be defined more sanely [17:19] matey its a smug waste of someones time [17:19] MinceR and of course fiction isn't required to be sane anyway [17:19] matey and youre generally better than that, so i wont assume anything broader [17:19] matey but it really is a waste [17:20] TR News Devin Nunes https://www.techdirt.com/2022/07/28/devin-nunes-drops-slapp-case-he-lost-against-guy-he-claims-is-the-husband-of-the-satirical-tweeting-cow-who-mocks-him/ | Source: Techdirt [17:20] TR Bot Nunes Drops SLAPP Case He Lost Against Guy He Claims Is The Husband Of The Satirical Tweeting Cow Who Mocks Him | Techdirt [17:21] XRevan86 matey: Can't not be smug when I see the world in a way where my line of thinking is right. Otherwise I'd have a different line of thinking if I saw it as better. [17:21] TR News What's up with this recession? (Unemployment) gemini://gemini.ctrl-c.club/~stack/gemlog/2022-07-29.economy.gmi "In the US, the numbers come from those claiming unemployment benefits from the government. After a while, many give up and are no longer counted" [17:21] matey thats not the problem [17:21] matey you are writing your own argument and rewriting my response to it [17:22] matey if its like that i can let you do this without my wasted effort [17:22] matey youre speaking for both of us, have fun [17:22] TR News "COVID lockdowns gave me the urge to play remotely, but I was so busy at home I didn't ever get around to it, though I did buy some TTRPG products, in digital media form." gemini://carcosa.net/journal/20220729-ttrpg-pdf-tablet.gmi [17:22] matey i cited the dictionary i got that thrown back at me [17:22] matey thats smug [17:23] matey i a fool for taking the dictionary into account [17:23] matey really, okay [17:23] matey your argument rests on unfairly rewording what i said [17:23] TR News "SeeedStudio has unveiled the reComputer J101 and J202 which are compatible with the 260-pin SODIMM modules" https://linuxgizmos.com/seeedstudio-launches-carrier-boards-for-jetson-nano-xavier-nx-tx2-nx/ | Source: Linux Gizmos [17:23] TR Bot ( status 520 @ https://linuxgizmos.com/seeedstudio-launches-carrier-boards-for-jetson-nano-xavier-nx-tx2-nx/ ) [17:23] TR News "One we apparently missed that arrived with Native Linux support back in May" https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/07/voodoo-detective-is-a-monkey-island-inspired-point-and-click-adventure/ | Source: GamingOnLinux [17:23] TR Bot Detective is a Monkey Island inspired point-and-click adventure | GamingOnLinux [17:23] matey this is beneath you [17:24] TR News Native GNU/Linux support https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/07/detective-adventure-lord-winklebottom-investigates-is-out-now/ | Source: GamingOnLinux [17:24] TR Bot adventure Lord Winklebottom Investigates is out now | GamingOnLinux [17:24] matey at least its beneath my general impression of you [17:24] MinceR (cat) https://rimgo.bcow.xyz/gallery/Ge41Ctu [17:24] TR Bot Ringo a year later. - rimgo [17:25] matey if i were to make it personal, id say that this probably means more to you than you let on [17:25] matey since for most things, you dont stoop to this [17:25] matey but hell, thats a sloppy guess [17:25] TR News "Recently I showed off Halo Infinite running quite nicely online on the Steam Deck" https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/07/ge-proton-7-27-halo-infinite-campaign-and-videos-steam-deck-linux/ | Source: GamingOnLinux [17:25] TR Bot 7-27 has the Halo Infinite campaign and videos working on Steam Deck & Linux | GamingOnLinux [17:25] XRevan86 matey: Ye gave no indication these are not your words. [17:26] matey oh, blow me. [17:26] *matey has quit (connection closed) [17:26] *matey (~matey@ket9pi5gbeqcg.irc) has joined #techrights [17:27] matey todays forecast: cloudy with a chance of urine [17:27] XRevan86 Dictionaries are not meant to give an in-depth view into a human's psyche. The definition is concise and unambiguous enough. [17:28] TR News "Bottles is the free and open source app that allows you to easily manage Wine" https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/07/wine-manager-app-bottles-makes-rolling-back-configs-real-easy/ | Source: GamingOnLinux [17:28] TR Bot manager app Bottles makes rolling back configs real easy | GamingOnLinux [17:30] MinceR Jimmy Urine? [17:30] TR News SolidRun introduces SolidWAN software-defined edge network hardware with NXP LX 16-core Cortex-A72 SoCs Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167792 [17:30] TR Bot SolidRun introduces SolidWAN software-defined edge network hardware with NXP LX 16-core Cortex-A72 SoCs | Tux Machines [17:31] TR News "As reported by Vice and followed up on by Wired, posts about abortion receive intense scrutiny online." https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2022/07/abortion-information-coming-down-across-social-media-what-happening-and-what-next | Source: EFF [17:31] TR Bot Abortion Information Is Coming Down Across Social Media. What Is Happening and What Next. | Electronic Frontier Foundation [17:31] matey aka jimmy riddle [17:31] TR News "Lets dive straight into the most prominent news across the IoT landscape from the last two months." https://ubuntu.com//blog/state-of-iot-june-2022 | Source: Ubuntu [17:31] TR Bot State of IoT June & July 2022 | Ubuntu [17:32] matey you must remember this, a piss is just a piss, a sigh is just a sigh [17:32] TR News "In my previousarticle about rustup, I showed you how to install the Rust toolchain." https://opensource.com/article/22/7/learn-rust-rustlings | Source: OpenSource.com [17:32] TR Bot Rust by debugging Rust | Opensource.com [17:32] TR News "Shell scripts can span multiple files, and well-written code is further broken down into functions." https://opensource.com/article/22/7/print-stack-trace-bash-scripts | Source: OpenSource.com [17:32] TR Bot bugs in Bash scripts by printing a stack trace | Opensource.com [17:33] *techuser has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [17:33] TR News "special version of Proton" https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/07/proton-experimental-brings-support-for-unravel-two-fixes-up-civilization-iv/ | Source: GamingOnLinux [17:33] TR Bot Experimental brings support for Unravel Two, fixes up Civilization IV | GamingOnLinux [17:34] TR News The Top 10 Most Popular AppImage Apps for Linux Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167793 [17:34] TR Bot The Top 10 Most Popular AppImage Apps for Linux | Tux Machines [17:34] TR News "Yes this is a real thing, DOOM modders will quite literally do anything and I'm here loving it." https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/07/you-can-now-play-doom-as-the-cat-from-stray/ | Source: GamingOnLinux [17:34] TR Bot can now play DOOM as the Cat from Stray | GamingOnLinux [17:34] TR News "Just King is going to be my next game to be fixated on." https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/07/just-king-blends-vampire-survivors-action-with-slay-the-spire-progression/ | Source: GamingOnLinux [17:34] TR Bot King blends Vampire Survivors action with Slay the Spire progression | GamingOnLinux [17:36] TR News "Developers will then get all of the proceeds from each sale (minus any required fees and taxes)." https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/07/itchio-has-another-creator-day-live-with-100-going-to-developers/ | Source: GamingOnLinux [17:36] TR Bot has another Creator Day live with 100% going to developers | GamingOnLinux [17:37] TR News "Looking for your next RPG-shooter hybrid with online co-op?" https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/07/outriders-officially-gets-a-playable-steam-deck-rating/ | Source: GamingOnLinux [17:37] TR Bot officially gets a Playable Steam Deck rating | GamingOnLinux [17:38] TR News On privacy https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2022/07/federal-preemption-state-privacy-law-hurts-everyone | Source: EFF [17:38] TR Bot Federal Preemption of State Privacy Law Hurts Everyone | Electronic Frontier Foundation [17:40] TR News Ask EFF if people who oppose abortion also have digital rights. Because EFF stepping into politics mostly splits the support base, makes it less effective at achieving its original goals. [17:40] TR News Whats New in Linux Mint 21 Vanessa Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167794 [17:40] TR Bot Whats New in Linux Mint 21 Vanessa | Tux Machines [17:41] TR News American Innovation and Choice Online Act (AICOA) https://www.techdirt.com/2022/07/28/chuck-schumer-admits-whats-been-obvious-for-a-while-there-just-arent-enough-votes-to-pass-sketchy-antitrust-bill-targeting-tech-companies/ | Source: Techdirt [17:41] TR Bot Schumer Admits Whats Been Obvious For A While: There Just Arent Enough Votes To Pass Sketchy Antitrust Bill Targeting Tech Companies | Techdirt [17:42] TR News This is about inclusion in a software patents racket; they are not "anti-troll group", they include trolls like Microsoft, so AOL now issues paid-for fluff for bad people https://techcrunch.com/2022/07/28/lot-the-big-tech-anti-patent-troll-group-launches-adapt-to-tackle-inclusion-in-the-world-of-ip/ http://techrights.org/2020/03/27/the-lot-network-paper-club/ [17:42] TR Bot the anti-patent-troll group, launches Adapt to tackle inclusion in the world of IP TechCrunch [17:42] TR Bot LOT Network is a One-Man (Millionaires) Operation and Why This Should Alarm You | Techrights [17:43] matey https://yewtu.be/watch?v=J1O5njTp8gY [17:43] TR Bot Reggie Watts (2009) - Nobody Needs a Whole Croissant - Invidious [17:47] matey Michelle Wolf: Titanic Explains How White Women Are the Problem [17:47] matey :) [17:47] matey XD [17:47] matey i havent seen it, the title is good enough for me [17:48] TR News ShotSpotter for crackpots https://www.techdirt.com/2022/07/28/city-of-chicago-chicago-pd-officers-sued-over-their-use-of-questionable-shotspotter-technology/ | Source: Techdirt [17:48] TR Bot Of Chicago, Chicago PD Officers Sued Over Their Use Of Questionable ShotSpotter Technology | Techdirt [17:52] matey failed on the first go [17:52] matey totally saw the duck. rabbit after. [17:52] matey https://yewtu.be/watch?v=7inNICSFxzc [17:52] TR News "FCC under both Trump and Biden" https://www.techdirt.com/2022/07/28/u-s-isps-that-ripped-out-huawei-gear-after-promise-of-fcc-funding-now-struggle-to-get-fcc-funding/ | Source: Techdirt [17:52] TR Bot 10 Signs You're Actually Normal.. - Invidious [17:52] TR Bot ISPs That Ripped Out Huawei Gear After Promise Of FCC Funding Now Struggle To Get FCC Funding | Techdirt [17:52] matey didnt even see the rabbit until it was mentioned [17:53] TR News Khrushcheva https://www.democracynow.org/2022/7/28/nina_khrushcheva_dont_cancel_russian_culture | Source: Democracy Now [17:53] TR Bot Nina Khrushcheva: Dont Cancel Russian Culture. Collective Punishment Plays into Putins Hands. | Democracy Now! [17:53] matey woman first, but saw the dude right away [17:54] TR News The presidents sidekick Nellie Simon isnt fulfilling her Office duties; staff isnt amused http://techrights.org/2022/07/29/too-busy-to-get-real-work-done/ [17:54] TR Bot EPO VP4 Nellie Simon: 24/7 Day and Night, Only One Hour to Speak to EPO Staff | Techrights [17:54] TR News Chinas official policy is that it'll migrate away from Windows; so far this year the effect can be seen and Microsoft seems to have responded by technical sabotage http://techrights.org/2022/07/29/windows-in-china/ [17:54] TR Bot Microsoft Windows in Chinese Desktops/Laptops Down to 80% (Hence Microsoft Started Blocking GNU/Linux From Even Booting, as Chinas Lenovo Demonstrates) | Techrights [17:58] TR News "ISP Bright House and several music companies go to trial next week." https://torrentfreak.com/record-labels-and-isp-bright-house-go-to-trial-over-pirating-subscribers-220728/ | Source: Torrent Freak [17:58] TR Bot Labels and ISP Bright House go to Trial over Pirating Subscribers * TorrentFreak [17:58] TR News "five people have been charged" https://torrentfreak.com/pirate-iptv-five-charged-following-rcmp-cybercrime-investigation-220728/ | Source: Torrent Freak [17:58] TR Bot IPTV: Five Charged Following RCMP Cybercrime Investigation * TorrentFreak ● Jul 29 [18:01] *techuser (~techuser@gbgr2jcp6yrt2.irc) has joined #techrights [18:08] *techuser has quit (connection closed) [18:08] *techuser (~techuser@grivfyit76hza.irc) has joined #techrights [18:09] TR News Telepolis https://www.commondreams.org/views/2022/07/28/noam-chomsky-we-can-free-ourselves-state-capitalism | Source: Common Dreams [18:09] TR Bot Opinion | Noam Chomsky: We Can Free Ourselves from State Capitalism | David Goemann [18:16] TR News "The U.S. House Select Subcommittee on the Coronavirus Crisis released a new report Thursday following a yearlong investigation into the eviction practices of Pretium Partners" https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/07/28/report-details-abusive-eviction-tactics-corporate-landlords-during-height-pandemic | Source: Common Dreams [18:16] TR Bot Report Details 'Abusive' Eviction Tactics by Corporate Landlords During Height of Pandemic [18:17] TR News Patents kill. And some people profits from it. https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/07/28/vaccine-equity-activists-denounce-pfizers-obscene-pandemic-windfall | Source: Common Dreams [18:17] TR Bot Vaccine Equity Activists Denounce Pfizer's 'Obscene' Pandemic Windfall [18:19] XRevan86 matey: I'll just drop it. [18:19] matey ive figured out how to make the algorithm hundreds of times more efficient with just a few lines added and zero extra loops [18:20] matey i would have done it sooner if id known (just how much) it was needed [18:20] matey this fucking thing might never finish otherwise [18:20] TR News anxiety, despair https://www.commondreams.org/views/2022/07/28/four-ways-improve-anxiety-and-despair-amid-never-ending-bad-news | Source: Common Dreams [18:20] TR Bot Opinion | Four Ways to Improve Anxiety and Despair Amid Never-Ending Bad News | Zoe Weil [18:21] matey if its not done in a few hours, it will be worth stopping it and starting it over with the new code (which i havent written yet) [18:21] matey pretty straightforward change [18:21] TR News Games: GE-Proton 7-27, Bottles, DOOM, and More Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167795 https://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/07/29/Games:_GE-Proton_7-27,_Bottles,_DOOM,_and_More.shtml #news [18:21] TR Bot Games: GE-Proton 7-27, Bottles, DOOM, and More | Tux Machines [18:21] TR Bot Games: GE-Proton 7-27, Bottles, DOOM, and More [18:26] MinceR 29 184001 < techrights-news> Ask EFF if people who oppose abortion also have digital rights. [18:26] MinceR do those people care about "digital rights"? [18:30] IPFS () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-07-28.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-07-29.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi [18:38] schestowitz[TR2] MinceR: that relates to my question ^_^ [18:39] schestowitz[TR2] they care for some other things [18:39] schestowitz[TR2] EFF's goals are a side dish [18:40] TR News "This bill would allow employers to trample on the rights of an untold numbers of workers." https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/07/28/propelled-victory-dem-leaders-cuellar-says-725-too-much-millions-workers | Source: Common Dreams [18:40] MinceR yeah, they care for fundamentalism and authoritarianism [18:40] TR Bot Propelled to Victory by Dem Leaders, Cuellar Says $7.25 Too Much for Millions of Workers [18:44] matey the biggest and bloodiest wars happened after money was invented [18:44] MinceR also after religion was invented [18:44] matey and some of the worst war criminals were against religion (though not necessary the worst war criminals BECAUSE they were against religion, because the religious had some nasty ones too) but im sure its a coincidence [18:44] MinceR and also after the idea that some people have the right to be in charge of others was invented [18:45] *britney has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [18:45] matey and also after the idea that some people have the right to be in charge of others was invented <- yes but i think that was a BIT farther back [18:45] MinceR probably only really against _most_ religions [18:45] matey stalin was against all religions except stalinism [18:46] matey and he was a jealous god [18:46] MinceR which was an offshoot of leninism, which was an offshoot of marxism [18:46] matey i wouldnt say it was marxism any more than id say jeffery dahmerism was an offshoot of christianity [18:47] matey i wouldnt say it was leninism either, but ill settle for it not being marxist [18:47] matey certainly he claimed it was an offshoot of marxism [18:48] matey much like the baptists say theyre christian but i dont recall jesus blowing up any abortion clincis [18:48] matey or clinics for that matter [18:48] TR News "outsized importance live sports has on the adoption of streaming as a primary entertainment platform compared with traditional cable." https://www.techdirt.com/2022/07/28/the-nfls-new-streaming-offering-kind-of-sucks-thanks-to-legacy-broadcasting-rights/ | Source: Techdirt [18:48] TR Bot NFLs New Streaming Offering Kind Of Sucks Thanks To Legacy Broadcasting Rights | Techdirt [18:50] matey its almost like what rome did to christianity [18:50] matey stalin decided to make the state into a god [18:50] matey which was convenient since he was the state [18:51] matey then again this is also what led to his death so maybe not as good an idea as he thought [18:51] matey he was also into that infallibility thing [18:51] schestowitz[TR2] https://www.counterpunch.org/2022/07/29/roaming-charges-63/ [18:51] TR Bot Charges: Tell Tom Joad the News - CounterPunch.org [18:51] schestowitz[TR2] "Ticket prices for Springsteens Born to Run tour in 1975 averaged about $8 for general admission. ($7.50 in Upper Darby, PA, when he played venues that small.) The minimum wage was $2.10 per hour. So a kid had to work less than half a day to earn enough to go to the gig. Today the minimum wage is a miserly $7.25 an hour. But the price of tickets for this falls Springsteen tour ranges from $100 to more than $5000 a piece. The [18:51] schestowitz[TR2] cheapest price I could find for the Portland show was a restricted view seat from behind the stage selling for $136which means that a Springsteen fan who works at a minimum wage job (assuming he has any left) would have to work nearly 3 full days to buy a crappy ticket. Landau said the absurd ticket prices were afair price to see someone universally regarded as among the very greatest artists of his generation.They c [18:51] schestowitz[TR2] all him the boss for a reason. Now go tell Tom Joad the news." [18:52] TR News "Given that the primary role of unions is to advocate for the interests of their members on the job" https://www.counterpunch.org/2022/07/29/organized-labor-and-the-crisis-of-democracy/ | Source: Counter Punch [18:52] TR Bot Labor and the Crisis of Democracy - CounterPunch.org [18:52] matey all him the boss for a reason <- i think this has more to do with the labels [18:53] MinceR i'm not familiar with jeffrey dahmerism [18:53] matey it didnt have many followers [18:53] MinceR 29 194810 < matey> much like the baptists say theyre christian but i dont recall jesus blowing up any abortion clincis [18:53] matey and even those didnt last long (unless he used plastic wrap) [18:53] MinceR there's something in scripture (which already existed before christianity) that they believe justifies banning abortion [18:54] MinceR one of the problems with the bible is that it's inconsistent and vague [18:54] matey actually that wasnt always a problem [18:54] MinceR so all sorts of nutcases can find something in there to support their ideology and justify their acts [18:54] matey which supports my poin [18:54] matey so all sorts of nutcases can find something <- this option was always open [18:54] matey but fundamentalism, and specifically literalism came along [18:54] matey thanks to rome, you know [18:55] matey and sort of triumphed over the traditional way of reading the old testament [18:55] matey of course on the rabbinic side you have another kettle of fish [18:56] matey gradually transforming torah into something more literal through rabbis coding laws around it [18:56] matey which is the same problem, but not as bad as having people do the trailer park tv preacher version [18:56] MinceR to me it seems that not insisting on being literal gives one more options, not fewer [18:56] matey nonetheless this came much later [18:56] matey not insisting on being literal gives one more options, not fewer <- thats exactly what it does [18:56] matey even today [18:57] matey but some people liked literalism, because theyre stupid [18:57] MinceR so how is literalism the culprit here? [18:57] matey i mean its responsible for the bulk of what youre complaining about [18:57] matey not all of it, certainly most of it [18:58] matey did i misread this "not insisting on being literal gives one more options, not fewer" [18:58] matey because it certainly follows [18:59] IPFS IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 31.55 k/sec., IPFS upstream 15.05 average k/sec., average swarm size 0 [18:59] MinceR probably [18:59] matey when it was less literal there was more room for interpretation [18:59] TR News Bailout out the rich, at the expense of the poor https://www.counterpunch.org/2022/07/29/the-semi-conductor-bill-and-the-moderna-billionaires/ | Source: Counter Punch [18:59] TR Bot Semi-Conductor Bill and the Moderna Billionaires - CounterPunch.org [18:59] matey less to fight over [18:59] matey when it was more literal, now disagreements became splits [18:59] MinceR in one case, you get to "justify" something if you can find some text that literally says what you want ● Jul 29 [19:00] MinceR in the other case, even that is not necessary, you just wave your hands [19:00] MinceR and scripture supports your "point" [19:00] matey waving your hands is less compelling than "theres only one way to read this" [19:00] matey which do you think lent itself to bloodier wars [19:00] MinceR well, there's that [19:00] matey i mean history supports my argument-- its based on what actually happened [19:00] MinceR though i think people should be more difficult to compel than either of those [19:00] matey you sound like youre agreeing, until you insist otherwise [19:01] matey but if you dont agree, then youre throwing out what happened and how it played out historically [19:01] matey the more literal it got, the more contentious and bloody it got [19:01] matey the more fundamentalism sprang up [19:01] matey though even i would say that had as much to do with other disparities [19:02] matey what changed is that religion had less power to bring people together [19:02] MinceR correlation does not imply causation, though :> [19:02] matey but either way its bad [19:02] matey i mean we can always fall back on that [19:02] matey and if we do so enough, the only way we will ever be convinced of causation is when its also unsupported by correlation :) [19:05] matey sooner or later there will be an explanation that is plausible in how it works [19:05] matey whic goes beyond correlation [19:05] matey but if it works, correlation will also b a likely biproduct [19:08] matey the problem with correlation is it doesnt narrow it down enough. it doesnt rule out post hoc coincidence [19:08] TR News Welcome to SCaLE 19x - Invidious https://yewtu.be/watch?v=g52MGi_H2j8 | Gemini address: gemini://auragem.space/youtube/video/g52MGi_H2j8 [19:08] TR Bot Welcome to SCaLE 19x - Invidious [19:09] matey if i sneeze while typing, how do i know that i didnt sneeze the letters onto the screen [19:09] TR News Valves a distro maintainer, now. They need a "patch Tuesday." - Invidious https://yewtu.be/watch?v=g9-e-zu1QKw | Gemini address: gemini://auragem.space/youtube/video/g9-e-zu1QKw [19:09] TR Bot Valve's a distro maintainer, now. They need a "patch Tuesday." - Invidious [19:09] matey i know how a keyboard works (some may dispute this) [19:09] TR News Unlocking the Steam Deck - Invidious https://yewtu.be/watch?v=GBvlMvivCnI | Gemini address: gemini://auragem.space/youtube/video/GBvlMvivCnI [19:09] TR Bot Unlocking the Steam Deck - Invidious [19:10] matey both the sneeze and the typing qualify as correlation, but the sneeze is a coincidence [19:10] TR News Sysadmins are Super Heroes! (System Administrator Appreciation Day 2022) - Invidious https://yewtu.be/watch?v=fSDfgFduog8 | Gemini address: gemini://auragem.space/youtube/video/fSDfgFduog8 http://techrights.org/2019/07/17/we-are-the-windows-powered-linux-foundation/ [19:10] TR Bot Sysadmins are Super Heroes! (System Administrator Appreciation Day 2022) - Invidious [19:10] TR Bot Linux Foundation Apparently Celebrates Sysadmin Day With a Microsoft Windows Site! | Techrights [19:11] matey the underlying mechanism is the way out of a sea of correlative possibilities [19:11] TR News Enterprise Linux Security Episode 37 - System Administrator Appreciation Day 2022 - Invidious https://yewtu.be/watch?v=pBrBDInJms8 | Gemini address: gemini://auragem.space/youtube/video/pBrBDInJms8 http://techrights.org/2019/07/17/we-are-the-windows-powered-linux-foundation/ [19:11] *techrights_guest|2 (~49efb820@54n9xgft8g6u2.irc) has joined #techrights [19:11] TR Bot Enterprise Linux Security Episode 37 - System Administrator Appreciation Day 2022 - Invidious [19:11] *techrights_guest|2 has quit (Quit: Connection closed) [19:11] TR News Todays #HowTos | #UNIX Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167796 https://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/07/29/howtos_2.shtml #news [19:11] TR Bot today's howtos | Tux Machines [19:12] TR Bot today's howtos [19:12] matey i pressed the keys. and a good 70 percent of the time :) i get the same letters i pressed [19:12] matey the rest are a product of a faulty keyboard, clearly [19:12] *britney (~britney@muarsy2vret2q.irc) has joined #techrights [19:15] TR News How Tor is fightingand beatingRussian censorship https://www.wired.co.uk/article/tor-browser-russia-blocks says Conde Nast, which shelters pedophiles as editors [19:15] TR Bot How Tor Is Fightingand BeatingRussian Censorship | WIRED UK [19:16] TR News Audiocasts/Shows: SCaLE19x, Valve, and System Administrator Appreciation Day 2022 Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167797 https://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/07/29/AudiocastsShows:_SCaLE19x,_Valve,_and_System_Administrator_Appreciation_Day_2022.shtml #news [19:16] TR Bot Audiocasts/Shows: SCaLE19x, Valve, and System Administrator Appreciation Day 2022 | Tux Machines [19:16] TR Bot Audiocasts/Shows: SCaLE19x, Valve, and System Administrator Appreciation Day 2022 [19:18] TR News This is an interesting (and concerning) type of rootkits. Hard to tell how much of it really is in the wild at the moment. https://securelist.com/cosmicstrand-uefi-firmware-rootkit/106973/ http://techrights.org/wiki/UEFI#2022 [19:18] TR Bot the discovery of a sophisticated UEFI firmware rootkit | Securelist [19:18] TR Bot UEFI - Techrights [19:19] TR News NVIDIA with Wayland on GNOME gemini://remyabel.srht.site/posts/2022-07-29.gmi [19:19] *matey has quit (connection closed) [19:22] MinceR https://files.explosm.net/comics/Rob/apples.png ( https://explosm.net/comics/rob-apples#comic ) [19:22] TR Bot & Happiness (Explosm.net) [19:27] *DaemonFC (~daemonfc@v82ybat7z5fr6.irc) has joined #techrights [19:31] DaemonFC Anyone who would pay that to see Bruce Springsteen is a douche. [19:31] DaemonFC So that settles it. [19:34] DaemonFC schestowitz[TR2], He knows there's plenty of boomers who got rich by being landlords and other parasites. [19:34] DaemonFC Paying that much to see him in concert isn't that much. [19:34] DaemonFC They can always raise the rent $200 a month. [19:37] TR News Links 29/07/2022: Linux Foundation is Greenwashing Microsoft | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/07/29/linux-foundation-greenwashing-microsoft/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/07/29/linux-foundation-greenwashing-microsoft/ [19:37] TR Bot Links 29/07/2022: Linux Foundation is Greenwashing Microsoft | Techrights [19:38] TR News Security Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167798 https://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/07/29/Security_Leftovers.shtml #news [19:38] TR Bot Security Leftovers | Tux Machines [19:38] TR Bot Security Leftovers [19:39] TR News Programming Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167799 https://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/07/29/Programming_Leftovers.shtml #news [19:39] TR Bot Programming Leftovers | Tux Machines [19:39] TR Bot Programming Leftovers [19:39] TR News Devices: Raspberry PI Pico and More Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167800 https://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/07/29/Devices:_Raspberry_PI_Pico_and_More.shtml #news [19:39] TR Bot Devices: Raspberry PI Pico and More | Tux Machines [19:39] TR Bot Devices: Raspberry PI Pico and More [19:39] TR News Todays Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167801 https://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/07/29/today%27s_leftovers.shtml #news [19:39] TR Bot today's leftovers | Tux Machines [19:39] TR Bot today's leftovers [19:42] DaemonFC WGN was talking about "lottery jackpots", so I replied: [19:42] DaemonFC Each week, they sell about hundreds of millions of tickets that lose. They take most of the money. The pot grows until 8-9 weeks in, someone wins. After the state took half the money. Then when someone wins after billions of $20 tickets were sold (where the government already took half), they tax it and take half the "winnings". In the mean time, they pay "the news" to blast lottery propaganda about "winnings". [19:42] DaemonFC Most of the people who play the lottery a lot are poor and will never win anything and don't understand just how bad the odds really are. This enables the state to avoid taxing rich people because they can get poor people to pay for everything through the lottery scam. [19:42] DaemonFC Eventually, when someone does win, it usually results in "the lottery winner's curse". It will go to someone with such poor money management skills that $300 million dollars disappears in 4-5 years and they die penniless in a trailer park. [19:46] DaemonFC In most states, the lottery wasn't even legal until about 1990. In Indiana it wasn't legal until about 1990, which is when the state realized just how much money it was foregoing by legalizing gambling, which is socially undesirable and ruins lives with addiction. Since the lottery was legalized, the state lied about where the money would go. It said roads and public pensions, then it cut taxes on the rich and stuffed the lottery money into the [19:46] DaemonFC general fund. [19:46] DaemonFC Today, Illinois does the same thing with weed, and after they want to spend even more than the casinos, lottery, and legal dope take in, perhaps they'll make crack, shrooms, acid, meth, and opioids legal too. Then prostitution will be fine because the state is your pimp, drug dealer, and gambling hustler. [19:48] TR News CEOs https://www.counterpunch.org/2022/07/29/its-time-to-crackdown-on-the-excessive-pay-of-ceos/ | Source: Counter Punch [19:48] TR Bot Time to Crackdown on the Excessive Pay of CEOs - CounterPunch.org [19:50] TR News Weaponization https://www.counterpunch.org/2022/07/29/the-weaponization-of-food/ | Source: Counter Punch [19:50] TR Bot Weaponization of Food - CounterPunch.org [19:51] TR News "macro keypad" https://hackaday.com/2022/07/28/a-customizable-macropad-to-make-anyones-tail-wag/ | Source: Hackaday [19:51] TR Bot Customizable Macropad To Make Anyones Tail Wag | Hackaday [19:52] *psydroid2 (~psydroid@memzbmehf99re.irc) has joined #techrights [19:52] TR News "The C64 may be the best-selling computer of all time" https://hackaday.com/2022/07/28/hackaday-prize-2022-a-functional-commodore-pet-tribute/ | Source: Hackaday [19:52] TR Bot Prize 2022: A Functional Commodore PET Tribute | Hackaday [19:55] *britney has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [19:56] schestowitz[TR2] https://yewtu.be/watch?v=JS91p-vmSf0 [19:56] TR Bot Franz Schubert: Erlknig - Invidious [19:57] TR News "fears of a looming recession"... oh yea... EVERYTHING IS FINE NOW... but there MIGHT be ... a "recession" they say https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/07/28/recession-fears-spark-calls-stop-hiking-interest-rates-and-rein-corporate-greed | Source: Common Dreams [19:58] TR Bot Recession Fears Spark Calls to Stop Hiking Interest Rates and Rein In Corporate Greed [19:58] TR News "Workers at a Massachusetts Trader Joe's on Thursday voted to become the first of the supermarket chain's more than 500 locations to unionize" https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/07/28/victory-historic-massachusetts-trader-joes-becomes-first-unionize | Source: Common Dreams [19:58] TR Bot 'This Victory Is Historic': Massachusetts Trader Joe's Becomes First to Unionize [19:58] schestowitz[TR2] DaemonFC: there might be a rescission ... MIGHT [19:58] schestowitz[TR2] GDP deflating for several quarters [19:58] schestowitz[TR2] GAFAM blaming "weak dollar" [19:58] schestowitz[TR2] carry on buying [19:58] schestowitz[TR2] it'll be fine soon :-) [19:59] schestowitz[TR2] stockpile aitrpods [19:59] MinceR https://files.explosm.net/comics/Kris/sometime.png ( https://explosm.net/comics/kris-sometime#comic ) [19:59] DaemonFC It's not a weak dollar, though. [19:59] TR Bot & Happiness (Explosm.net) [19:59] schestowitz[TR2] support the economy [19:59] DaemonFC The Dollar Index is at 107, last I looked. [19:59] DaemonFC That's unusually strong. [19:59] schestowitz[TR2] Microsoft finds something to blame [19:59] DaemonFC It's been as low as 70-80 and we were fine then. [19:59] schestowitz[TR2] the bailouts were not enough [19:59] TR News "We think of data storage as a modern problem, but even ancient civilizations kept records." https://hackaday.com/2022/07/28/inca-knots-inspire-quantum-computer/ | Source: Hackaday [19:59] TR Bot Knots Inspire Quantum Computer | Hackaday ● Jul 29 [20:00] DaemonFC schestowitz[TR2], So it goes from 70 to 107 and strengthens greatly, that implies that a strong dollar could be the problem. [20:00] DaemonFC Their export markets can't afford their products and cut back due to weak Euros and Yen and stuff. [20:01] DaemonFC A weak Euro isn't the only reason why their foreign markets are in the shitter. [20:01] DaemonFC I'd be pretty pissed if I had to live in Europe and gasoline was $9 a gallon and the government was dipping into the emergency natural gas for winter in the middle of July. [20:01] schestowitz[TR2] here is the thing [20:01] schestowitz[TR2] in the US it's hard without s car [20:01] schestowitz[TR2] for many reasons [20:02] schestowitz[TR2] inc. lack of decent public transport [20:02] DaemonFC Government running off with 70% of your income. [20:02] schestowitz[TR2] in european cities it can be simpler getting by without a car [20:02] schestowitz[TR2] cars consume a lot of energy, sometimes more than a whole home of 5 people [20:02] DaemonFC The only way to make do without a car is live in a crime infested Democrat shithole. [20:02] DaemonFC Where the public transit is a liability that ferries around criminals with illegal guns who attack the bus driver with a frozen chicken. [20:03] DaemonFC One guy actually brought gasoline on board the train and set himself on fire and the police had to drag him out. [20:03] DaemonFC I mean, who wants to ride that? [20:03] DaemonFC Nobody with a choice, Roy. Nobody with a choice. [20:05] *britney (~britney@muarsy2vret2q.irc) has joined #techrights [20:08] TR News Commodore 64 https://hackaday.com/2022/07/28/new-os-for-commodore-64-adds-modern-features/ | Source: Hackaday [20:08] TR Bot OS For Commodore 64 Adds Modern Features | Hackaday [20:09] TR News "8-bit computer revolution" https://hackaday.com/2022/07/29/perseus-9-the-dual-6502-portable-machine-that-should-have-been/ | Source: Hackaday [20:09] TR Bot The Dual-6502 Portable Machine That Should Have Been | Hackaday [20:12] schestowitz[TR2] DaemonFC: public transport can be a pain anywhere [20:12] *techuser has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [20:12] schestowitz[TR2] we just walk a lot [20:12] schestowitz[TR2] even cycling can be good [20:12] schestowitz[TR2] in warmer days [20:12] DaemonFC Yeah, they have to let anyone ride it. They were court ordered they can't ban anyone. [20:13] XRevan86 CIT (War in Ukraine): https://telegra.ph/July-28-dispatch-07-29 [20:13] TR Bot July 28 dispatch Telegraph [20:13] DaemonFC So you can literally shoot someone on the train and if they parole you, they have to let you back on the train. [20:14] TR News "Over a summer sup on the back lawn the other night, a Times-reading, MSNBCwatching, NPRlistening neighbor..." https://scheerpost.com/2022/07/28/patrick-lawrence-the-causes-of-things/ | Source: Scheerpost [20:14] TR Bot Lawrence: The Causes of Things scheerpost.com [20:14] DaemonFC schestowitz[TR2], Turnstile jumping is something that goes on all the time. [20:14] DaemonFC The police don't really enforce it much. Don't do it if you're white. [20:14] DaemonFC Nobody is going to raise hell, so they'll arrest you. [20:15] DaemonFC There are actually liberal groups who say turnstile jumping shouldn't be enforced against black people because making them pay $2 like everyone else does is racist. [20:15] DaemonFC Yeah, I'm sure they were on their way to a job interview when they realized they left their wallet in their other pants, lady! :) [20:17] DaemonFC No time to go back for it or they'd be late for the job interview. And the illegal gun the police found? That was obviously planted. Besides, it was for a security job. If the Johns don't pay, what else are you supposed to do with them? [20:17] DaemonFC It's all very explainable. [20:17] DaemonFC schestowitz[TR2], You know what I always say. If you're committing a felony, don't commit a petty offense that draws attention. [20:18] DaemonFC They'll happily evade a $2 fare while they have an illegal handgun in their pocket. [20:20] DaemonFC Police look for minor offenses and "tells". [20:20] DaemonFC A "tell" is not an offense, but it gets you flagged for more scrutiny, like deliberately avoiding eye contact (making an effort to not look in their general direction). [20:21] DaemonFC So you forget that you're doing something illegal and act naturally. [20:21] *techuser (~techuser@ws2bs482xtmk6.irc) has joined #techrights [20:21] DaemonFC I mean, when I was a teenager, I walked past cops with cigarettes in my pocket. [20:22] DaemonFC My neighbor was the chief of police and I'd be sitting outside in my back yard drinking a beer and smoking a cigar. [20:22] XRevan86 https://pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2022/07/29/7360893/ [20:22] TR Bot Explosion in the Olenivka penal colony planned and executed by the Russian Federation ? conversation intercepted by SSU | Ukrainska Pravda [20:22] XRevan86 https://pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2022/07/29/7360947/ [20:22] TR Bot ICRC submitted a request to visit Olenivka | Ukrainska Pravda [20:22] DaemonFC There's really not much they can do to kids for minor misdemeanors anyway. [20:23] DaemonFC They can lock you up for a weekend and have a judge yell at you and pretend what's coming is a big deal. [20:23] DaemonFC Then your record gets wiped when you turn 18. [20:23] DaemonFC I got all my community service hours in on one day at the park pulling weeds. [20:23] DaemonFC Eh, who cares? [20:24] DaemonFC It's not like they catch you smoking and you get 100 lashes in public square and that'll teach you! [20:54] TR News Patents https://truthout.org/articles/gop-opposition-to-drug-pricing-bill-shows-scope-of-big-pharmas-grip-on-congress/ | Source: TruthOut [20:54] TR Bot GOP Opposition to Drug Pricing Bill Shows Scope of Big Pharmas Grip on Congress [20:59] IPFS IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 31.55 k/sec., IPFS upstream 15.05 average k/sec., average swarm size 0 ● Jul 29 [21:00] XRevan86 The Azov regiment surrendered under an agreement between Russia and the UN / Red Cross. So is going to be whether the UN is going to eat this shit up or they're going to do something. [21:00] XRevan86 And so I pressed Enter accidentally and botched the message. [21:00] XRevan86 * So I'm going to look at whether [21:10] TR News Linux Mint 21 Vanessa Is Now Available for Download, This Is Whats New Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167802 [21:10] TR Bot Linux Mint 21 Vanessa Is Now Available for Download, This Is Whats New | Tux Machines [21:23] *darwin has quit (connection closed) [21:25] psydroid2 I've just run Geekbench for my HP Zbook Studio G3 and the results are only about 30% behind those of AMD's new entry-level APU to be launched later this year [21:26] psydroid2 are these companies completely taking the piss out of their customers? [21:28] MinceR the UN rarely does anything [21:29] DaemonFC schestowitz[TR2], I was reading about a game called XBill. [21:29] MinceR and when it does it's typically either spreading propaganda or lobbying for laws that someone pays them to do [21:29] DaemonFC Fedora refused to package it in 2009 because Red Hat's legal said it "disparaged" Bill Gates and Microsoft. [21:29] DaemonFC And went beyond parody into something they worried they'd be sued over. [21:29] MinceR the ICRC also rarely does anything, and when they do it's outragism against video games [21:30] IPFS () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-07-28.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-07-29.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi [21:31] *techuser has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [21:34] MinceR https://files.explosm.net/comics/Kris/costume3.png ( https://explosm.net/comics/kris-costume-2#comic ) [21:34] TR Bot & Happiness (Explosm.net) [21:43] XRevan86 MinceR: Does look that way. [21:44] XRevan86 MinceR: But the UN gave assurances to Ukraine, and maybe, just maybe, this personal violation will make them move a little. Who knows? [21:44] MinceR \_()_/ [21:45] MinceR maybe a GRB will hit us and end this circus quickly [21:47] *britney has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [21:54] *britney (~britney@muarsy2vret2q.irc) has joined #techrights ● Jul 29 [22:02] DaemonFC https://portal.mozz.us/gemini/gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/article%3Fhttps%253A%252F%252Fwww.nytimes.com%252F2022%252F07%252F29%252Fbusiness%252Fstrong-profits-shaky-economy.html [22:02] TR Bot Gemini Portal [22:03] DaemonFC "On the earnings call for McDonalds, the companys chief financial officer said some of its customers were choosing value offerings over others. On Chipotles earnings call, its chief executive, Brian Niccol, said: The low-income consumer definitely has pulled back their purchase frequency. Fortunately, for Chipotle, that is not the majority of our customers." [22:03] DaemonFC "Big retailers like Walmart have said their customers are spending so much on must-have items like food and fuel that theyre eschewing higher-cost merchandise, like clothes and home goods. Since shoppers are still spending at Walmart for the staples, the company and to a certain extent, the economy still benefits from their purchases, though the shift has hit its profit margins and helped pummel its stock." [22:03] DaemonFC schestowitz-TR, Greenspan said he followed sales of men's underwear to get an idea about recessions. [22:04] DaemonFC Walmart says clothing sales have hit the skids. [22:04] DaemonFC People are avoiding clothes to put food in their cart. [22:04] DaemonFC "Economy great, never better, nothing to see here! 4% unemployment!" [22:10] MinceR (cat) https://pleated-jeans.com/2022/07/29/terrible-coffee-mugs-at-the-office/ [22:10] TR Bot This Account Shares Pics Of Terrible Mugs People Like To Sip Out Of At Work (35 Pics) [22:26] britney TMNT: Shredder's Revenge is awesome [22:28] *u-amarsh04 has quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!) [22:32] *u-amarsh04 (~amarsh04@5tcc2vuaj9aks.irc) has joined #techrights [22:36] *AdmFubar has quit (Quit: Leaving.) [22:39] *AdmFubar (~mradmin@ngqaam7baxnug.irc) has joined #techrights [22:47] MinceR https://pleated-jeans.com/2022/06/28/cursed-shirts/ [22:47] TR Bot 69 Shirts With Auras That Are Equal Parts Threatening And Bizarre [22:59] IPFS IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 31.55 k/sec., IPFS upstream 15.05 average k/sec., average swarm size 0 ● Jul 29 [23:00] *CrystalMath (~coderain@zpvtapq2in23w.irc) has joined #techrights [23:17] TR News Oh, immunity? https://truthout.org/articles/trump-claims-absolute-immunity-protects-him-against-jan-6-civil-lawsuits/ | Source: TruthOut [23:17] TR Bot Trump Claims "Absolute Immunity" Protects Him Against Jan. 6 Civil Lawsuits [23:22] MinceR https://pleated-jeans.com/2022/06/27/that-name-isnt-a-tragedeigh-its-a-murghdyrr-22-hilariously-unfortunate-names-parents-have-given-their-kids/ [23:22] TR Bot "That Name Isn't A Tragedeigh, It's A Murghdyrr" 22 Hilariously Unfortunate Names Parents Have Given Their Kids [23:22] TR News "See a pattern? Leave your nations money in a western bank, and it might not be yours for very long" https://www.counterpunch.org/2022/07/29/the-west-cant-stop-pillaging-other-countries-bank-accounts/ | Source: Counter Punch [23:22] TR Bot West Cant Stop Pillaging Other Countries Bank Accounts - CounterPunch.org [23:26] TR News While criminals from Microsoft start outright blocking dual boot or just Linux boot... the Microsoft boosters ramp up the ATTACK on GNU/Linux, dubbed WSL (Windows misusing the brand "Linux") https://www.maketecheasier.com/improve-wsl-experience/ [23:26] TR Bot 5 Things to Do to Improve Your WSL Experience - Make Tech Easier [23:27] TR News There are so many Microsoft Zero-Days and Microsoft even shares them with the NSA (back doors) https://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2022/07/microsoft-zero-days-sold-and-then-used.html [23:27] TR Bot Zero-Days Sold and then Used - Schneier on Security [23:28] TR News Microsoft claiming to value security is an outright lie; it's just another blame game https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2022/07/microsoft-says-0-days-sold-by-austrian-firm-were-used-to-hack-customers/ [23:28] TR Bot 0-days sold by Austrian firm used to hack Windows users, Microsoft says | Ars Technica [23:29] TR News Meanwhile, on many issues the FSF now lacks the courage to simply say what's true and what's factual. [23:30] TR News Microsoft and Windows still dominate this list of "Known Exploited Vulnerabilit[ies]" https://us-cert.cisa.gov/ncas/current-activity/2022/07/29/cisa-adds-one-known-exploited-vulnerability-catalog [23:30] TR Bot CISA Adds One Known Exploited Vulnerability to Catalog | CISA [23:31] TR News NSA Bruce is now a megaphone of Conde Nast. Any lie he reads in a site edited by Microsoft pedophiles (literally raping kids, arrested; colleagues knew) must be "facts"... [23:32] TR News Efficient Infrastructure Testing | Pen Test Partners https://www.pentestpartners.com/security-blog/efficient-infrastructure-testing/ Source: pentestpartners | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//www.pentestpartners.com/security-blog/efficient-infrastructure-testing/ [23:32] TR Bot Efficient Infrastructure Testing | Pen Test Partners [23:33] schestowitz[TR2] schestowitz[TR2], I was reading about a game called XBill. [23:33] schestowitz[TR2] named after xbiff? [23:34] DaemonFC You have to kill a bunch of "Bills" that are trying to install Windows on computers. [23:34] DaemonFC Then if they manage to do it, you have to fix the computer by rescuing its operating system, and putting it back on the computer while other Bills are attacking other computers with Windows. [23:35] schestowitz[TR2] packaging it might give the wrong idea [23:35] schestowitz[TR2] that Red Hat competes with Microsoft :-) [23:35] schestowitz[TR2] or that Bill Gates is a criminal (he is) [23:36] TR News Canonical: "he 1.10 update brings some other nice features, particularly for Windows users. Windows Pro machines can now take advantage of generation 2 virtual machines through Hyper-V. These new VMs support a variety of boot features, including UEFI, secure boot, and more." Screw Canonical. https://ubuntu.com//blog/multipass-1-10-brings-new-instance-modification-capabilities [23:36] TR Bot 1.10 brings new instance modification capabilities | Ubuntu [23:37] TR News Canonical prioritising Microsoft again? http://techrights.org/2021/07/09/canonical-ubuntu-microsoft/ [23:37] TR Bot Canonical Dooms the Ubuntu Brand to Appease Microsoft | Techrights [23:38] TR News Microsoft is Basically Buying the Competition to Deny GNU/Linux Users a Choice http://techrights.org/2021/07/08/buying-the-competition/ [23:38] TR Bot Microsoft is Basically Buying the Competition to Deny GNU/Linux Users a Choice | Techrights [23:40] TR News Linux Around The World: Slovenia - LinuxLinks https://www.linuxlinks.com/linux-slovenia/ Source: LinuxLinks | GNU | Linux | FreeSW | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//www.linuxlinks.com/linux-slovenia/ [23:40] TR Bot Around The World: Slovenia - LinuxLinks [23:43] TR News "Linux and Python were my best friends in 2000." https://linuxfoundation.org/blog/lf/people-of-open-source-neville-spiteri-wevr/ Maybe 'LF' can learn from him then. James Zemlin and Sheela Microsoft DO NOT USE Linux. They reject Linux. http://techrights.org/2022/05/14/microsoft-breadwinner/ [23:43] TR Bot People of Open Source: Neville Spiteri, Wevr - Linux Foundation [23:43] TR Bot Who Brings Home the Bacon (Revenue), Sheela or James (Jim)? | Techrights [23:44] TR News "At work-work there are educational sessions for the software team. They last about 2 hours, generally filled with a mix of watching a talk, discussing how the talk applies to the codebase, and individual developers presenting something." https://euroquis.nl//blabla/2022/07/29/presentations.html [23:44] TR Bot Mini-Talks Published | [bobulate] [23:49] TR News Proprietary software again in Mozilla's blog https://blog.mozilla.org/en/internet-culture/interviews/riot-games-aureylian-game-streaming-interview/ [23:49] TR Bot Riot Games head of player community, known as Aureylian to game streaming fans, on her favorite corners of the internet [23:50] TR News "While the last months have been pretty quiet in terms of new content for Firefox, were approaching a new major release for 2022, and that will include new features and dedicated onboarding." https://blog.mozilla.org/l10n/2022/07/29/l10n-report-july-2022-edition/ [23:50] TR Bot L10n Report: July 2022 Edition | Mozilla L10N [23:51] TR News "Recruitment and retention are top of mind" but ICBM/Red Hat are totally failing on that https://enterprisersproject.com/article/2022/7/focus-areas-leading-it-organizations [23:51] TR Bot Future-proof your IT organization by focusing on these 5 priorities | The Enterprisers Project [23:53] TR News "URGENT: our domain has been stolen and will stop working on 29 July 2022" https://suicide.fyi/ [23:53] TR Bot Suicide & Debian FYI [23:55] TR News The best Linux distros for gaming Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167803 [23:55] TR Bot The best Linux distros for gaming | Tux Machines [23:56] TR News "This post was flagged by the community and is temporarily hidden." https://forum.manjaro.org/t/manjaro-21-3-ruah-released/114220/58 [23:56] TR Bot Manjaro 21.3 Ruah released! - #58 by koshikas - Releases - Manjaro Linux Forum [23:58] TR News Misleading headline! "...comes with Microsoft Windows preinstalled and supports Linux if preferred." So it's encumbered with WINDOWS malware. It's also a terrible deal, the Raspi 400 is twice as cheap. https://www.geeky-gadgets.com/windows-linux-keyboard-quad-core-computer-29-07-2022/ [23:58] TR Bot Windows Linux Quad Core keyboard computer - Geeky Gadgets [23:59] TR News Performance Tools Newsletter (H1 2002) Mozilla Performance https://blog.mozilla.org/performance/2022/07/29/performance-tools-newsletter-h1-2002/ Source: Mozilla | WWW | FreeSW | Firefox | Internet [23:59] TR Bot Performance Tools Newsletter (H1 2002) Mozilla Performance