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| DaemonFC[m] | This curry has so much curry and chili powder in it, it would upset Dave Lister. | Jun 30 00:00 |
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| schestowitz | DaemonFC[m]: +44,236 covid19 cases today | Jun 30 01:03 |
| schestowitz | those are Sunday figures | Jun 30 01:03 |
| schestowitz | the baboon would be fuming | Jun 30 01:04 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The Furious Führer Fumes on Twitter. | Jun 30 01:10 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Mike Pence canceled a bunch of campaign events in Florida. | Jun 30 01:10 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Obviously, having the RNC in Florida is not going to go over very well. | Jun 30 01:11 |
| MinceR | Führious? | Jun 30 01:25 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | Maybe the Windows 10 virus will be less successful in spreading now that nobody is even pretending that the monthly update that bricks your computer is "like Apple". No "Microsoft Store". It was fucking embarrassing anyway. Like they had this thing called Miracast which was just like DLNA, if DLNA didn't work at all. | Jun 30 02:28 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So I asked the salescritter if he could make it work and he poked around and restarted things and yanked power cords for about 20 minutes and said "Sorry.". | Jun 30 02:29 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Somewhere halfway in, it connected and mirrored the display and then the laptop immediately crashed with a blue screen of death. | Jun 30 02:30 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Surface Pro! | Jun 30 02:31 |
| *DaemonFC[m] sent a long message: < https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/r0/download/matrix.org/iqKBAIViHHfmktAKrvkHpEpF > | Jun 30 02:36 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/24/business/citi-credit-card-complaints-cfpb/?hpt=ob_blogfooterold | Jun 30 02:43 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Citi makes up more than a third of coronavirus-related credit card complaints - CNN | Jun 30 02:43 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | Not surprised. Citi was the first one to turn me over to collections. One that has a notorious reputation for illegal activities, like calling your neighbors and stuff and telling them about your debts, and ignoring instructions to stop bothering people at work. | Jun 30 02:44 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The credit card people kick you out to a collection agency like that because it minimizes their own risk and "harm to the brand" to let someone else get nasty with you and break the law for them. | Jun 30 02:45 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The fact that Citi is getting much nastier with people than other banks are even when it's pretty clear it would be in the long term interest to throw them a bone makes me think that Citi is in more trouble right now and may collapse soon. | Jun 30 02:47 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Even Capital One is deferring interest and payments while people are on unemployment, for now. | Jun 30 02:48 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Citi is just going straight for your throat the moment you're late. | Jun 30 02:48 |
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| psydread | maybe the spread of Virus 10 is not going as expected and it's getting killed in our societies | Jun 30 06:47 |
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| schestowitz | [02:48] <DaemonFC[m]> Even Capital One is deferring interest and payments while people are on unemployment, for now. | Jun 30 06:52 |
| schestowitz | I hope it dies | Jun 30 06:52 |
| schestowitz | the unemployment can get yet worse and some businesses that reopen give up | Jun 30 06:53 |
| DaemonFC[m] | What are they doing? Other than swallowing $20,000 I owed them. | Jun 30 06:53 |
| schestowitz | many people don't know yet that they're laid off, so deferral is just kicking the can down the road | Jun 30 06:53 |
| schestowitz | https://www.nlg.org/how-nlg-members-can-support-the-peoples-strike/ | Jun 30 06:53 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.nlg.org | How NLG Members Can Support the People's Strike | National Lawyers Guild | Jun 30 06:53 | |
| schestowitz | bigger riots may come... or at least social disobedience | Jun 30 06:53 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC[m]: they do nothing, they just 'manage' | Jun 30 06:54 |
| schestowitz | like lawyers | Jun 30 06:54 |
| schestowitz | the financial 'industry' | Jun 30 06:54 |
| schestowitz | "what do you do for a living"? | Jun 30 06:54 |
| schestowitz | "I... invest.." | Jun 30 06:54 |
| schestowitz | "no, mate, what do you DO?" | Jun 30 06:54 |
| schestowitz | "I sit there at the officer clicking things" | Jun 30 06:54 |
| schestowitz | "looking at charts" | Jun 30 06:55 |
| schestowitz | "making calls" | Jun 30 06:55 |
| schestowitz | "taking a paycheck" | Jun 30 06:55 |
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| schestowitz | x https://www.zdnet.com/article/baidu-joins-open-invention-network-linux-patent-protection-group/ | Jun 30 08:41 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Baidu joins Open Invention Network Linux patent protection group | ZDNet | Jun 30 08:41 | |
| schestowitz | # article does not link to any authoritative source on the announcement | Jun 30 08:41 |
| schestowitz | sjvn | Jun 30 08:41 |
| schestowitz | doing IBM's and Microsoft's bidding | Jun 30 08:41 |
| schestowitz | maybe zdnet asks him to | Jun 30 08:41 |
| schestowitz | cbs | Jun 30 08:41 |
| schestowitz | close to gates and msft | Jun 30 08:41 |
| schestowitz | appalling | Jun 30 08:41 |
| schestowitz | parrots as 'journalists' | Jun 30 08:41 |
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| michaelis | Hello. | Jun 30 10:33 |
| schestowitz | hi | Jun 30 10:56 |
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| MinceR | https://www.smbc-comics.com/comic/teleporter-2 | Jun 30 11:22 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.smbc-comics.com | Saturday Morning Breakfast Cereal - Teleporter | Jun 30 11:22 | |
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| oiaohm | schestowitz: you missed one of the attractions of using github in the GNU write up. The fact someone else has to pick up the server maintenance bill other than GNU themselves. | Jun 30 12:13 |
| oiaohm | Of course that does not make it right to ignore the risks. | Jun 30 12:13 |
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| schestowitz | oiaohm: I don't get what you mean | Jun 30 12:21 |
| schestowitz | it's actually a risk | Jun 30 12:22 |
| schestowitz | if means it's like Microsoft funds them | Jun 30 12:22 |
| schestowitz | and they become projects at risk of Microsoft shutting down, deciding to bill them etc. | Jun 30 12:22 |
| schestowitz | There's no "free lunch" | Jun 30 12:22 |
| schestowitz | http://techrights.org/2020/06/29/meathub/ | Jun 30 12:22 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | The MeatHub | Techrights | Jun 30 12:22 | |
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| oiaohm | schestowitz: GNU running it own servers has to pay for that has well. Interesting to see how well off they are for doing that. | Jun 30 12:51 |
| oiaohm | Thee could be two risks here not one. | Jun 30 12:52 |
| AVRS | oiaohm: schestowitz named two risks | Jun 30 12:58 |
| AVRS | that could be deliberately triggered | Jun 30 12:59 |
| schestowitz | financial control is control | Jun 30 13:00 |
| schestowitz | like mortgages, where mort is French for.. | Jun 30 13:00 |
| schestowitz | GNU is not partly at Microsoft's mercy... a terrible situation | Jun 30 13:01 |
| zoobab | I believe Germany is its own right to ratify the UPC, with the Withdrawal Agreement period covering EU law and some 2012 regulation that went immediately into force | Jun 30 13:01 |
| schestowitz | you don't replace that which braces you | Jun 30 13:01 |
| zoobab | so filing constitutional complaints will be critical | Jun 30 13:01 |
| schestowitz | zoobab: Germany can shoot its own foot | Jun 30 13:01 |
| schestowitz | it already made a mockery of its Injustice Ministry | Jun 30 13:02 |
| zoobab | but we should use the 2 months to raise the pressure on the Bundestag | Jun 30 13:02 |
| zoobab | and ask for the UPC to be renegotiated | Jun 30 13:02 |
| schestowitz | it needs to be canned | Jun 30 13:02 |
| schestowitz | don't settle for less | Jun 30 13:02 |
| schestowitz | or else they'll compromise for lesser evil | Jun 30 13:02 |
| zoobab | we need the CJEU to have a say on patent law | Jun 30 13:03 |
| zoobab | this is not acceptable what they have done there | Jun 30 13:03 |
| zoobab | and fucking up Italy | Jun 30 13:03 |
| zoobab | all of that because they want the agreement running at any costs | Jun 30 13:03 |
| schestowitz | they already harmed themselves | Jun 30 13:04 |
| MinceR | https://ircz.de/p/20022634 | Jun 30 13:04 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ircz.de | IRCZ makes your life worth living Post object (4387214) | Jun 30 13:04 | |
| schestowitz | some firms' reputation | Jun 30 13:04 |
| schestowitz | some institutions too | Jun 30 13:04 |
| schestowitz | let them have a knock | Jun 30 13:04 |
| schestowitz | even UK-IPO looks crap | Jun 30 13:04 |
| schestowitz | and CIPA which 'runs' it | Jun 30 13:04 |
| schestowitz | they already had a stigma | Jun 30 13:04 |
| zoobab | what is good news is that the main justification for cross-broder litigation is melting | Jun 30 13:05 |
| schestowitz | now they paint over it, to remark the linings | Jun 30 13:05 |
| zoobab | with UK's departure | Jun 30 13:05 |
| schestowitz | proving the worse allegations about them and their arrogance | Jun 30 13:05 |
| schestowitz | why do they even assume bundestag will pass it? | Jun 30 13:05 |
| schestowitz | only about 31 people voted for it | Jun 30 13:05 |
| zoobab | 35 | Jun 30 13:05 |
| schestowitz | they'd need to fool if not bribe lots of people | Jun 30 13:05 |
| schestowitz | 2/3 majority | Jun 30 13:06 |
| schestowitz | and in daytime, not 1am | Jun 30 13:06 |
| zoobab | I guess 2/3 majority will depend on the pressure you apply | Jun 30 13:06 |
| schestowitz | they want us to believe they can pass it | Jun 30 13:06 |
| schestowitz | momentum by fake news | Jun 30 13:06 |
| schestowitz | fake assertion | Jun 30 13:06 |
| schestowitz | false interpretation | Jun 30 13:06 |
| zoobab | if we apply enough pressure, it will be a 50/50 game | Jun 30 13:06 |
| schestowitz | mock them | Jun 30 13:06 |
| schestowitz | it can work | Jun 30 13:06 |
| schestowitz | ok, so mock them | Jun 30 13:06 |
| schestowitz | but | Jun 30 13:06 |
| schestowitz | fuck twitter | Jun 30 13:06 |
| schestowitz | quit this crap | Jun 30 13:06 |
| schestowitz | I did | Jun 30 13:07 |
| schestowitz | and one of the reasons I stayed there was your account | Jun 30 13:07 |
| zoobab | yeah I will, but I need to find a good replacement | Jun 30 13:07 |
| schestowitz | which I cannot even read as RSS anymore | Jun 30 13:07 |
| zoobab | they broke RSS long ago | Jun 30 13:07 |
| schestowitz | better spend time doing a press release a day at ffii | Jun 30 13:07 |
| schestowitz | no serious person reads tweets and uses them as citable evidence | Jun 30 13:07 |
| MinceR | depends on the topic | Jun 30 13:07 |
| schestowitz | quit twitter or use that only to link to your press releases | Jun 30 13:07 |
| schestowitz | zoobab: they broke it | Jun 30 13:08 |
| zoobab | yeah but writing blog posts takes time for non native persons | Jun 30 13:08 |
| MinceR | they work pretty well as citable evidence that Agent Orange is insane | Jun 30 13:08 |
| MinceR | :> | Jun 30 13:08 |
| schestowitz | but I found a new fallback (3rd party) every few years) | Jun 30 13:08 |
| schestowitz | the latest one broke too, I'm tired of trying to fix something I probably just ought to abandon | Jun 30 13:08 |
| schestowitz | join pleroma, | Jun 30 13:08 |
| schestowitz | then your stuff will appear here, in real time | Jun 30 13:08 |
| schestowitz | viera does that | Jun 30 13:08 |
| schestowitz | you can join ANY fediverse instance, or make your own, or FFII's | Jun 30 13:09 |
| zoobab | I have bad experience with FFII infra | Jun 30 13:09 |
| schestowitz | [13:08] <zoobab> yeah but writing blog posts takes time for non native persons | Jun 30 13:09 |
| zoobab | shoemakers have the worst shoes | Jun 30 13:09 |
| schestowitz | tweets too can take time | Jun 30 13:09 |
| schestowitz | if you value their accuracy and avoid typos | Jun 30 13:09 |
| schestowitz | at least you can locate them 10 years down the line | Jun 30 13:09 |
| zoobab | yeah | Jun 30 13:09 |
| zoobab | that has value | Jun 30 13:09 |
| schestowitz | tweets have a shelf life of minutes, 24 hours at most | Jun 30 13:10 |
| zoobab | I was even thinking to go away from wordpress, and have some git based blogging | Jun 30 13:10 |
| schestowitz | we waste time pecking at bird feces | Jun 30 13:10 |
| zoobab | with static content in there (html+md) | Jun 30 13:10 |
| schestowitz | hugo? | Jun 30 13:10 |
| zoobab | a possible agenda for a vote in the Bundestag is the first session of September | Jun 30 13:10 |
| zoobab | I checked the agenda | Jun 30 13:11 |
| schestowitz | jykell or whatever you spell it is connected to github co-founder iirc, I'd not touch it with a long stick | Jun 30 13:11 |
| zoobab | no one is working there in September | Jun 30 13:11 |
| schestowitz | so again no 2/3 majority | Jun 30 13:11 |
| zoobab | sed and awk are enough to generate html from md | Jun 30 13:11 |
| schestowitz | unless they lie again | Jun 30 13:11 |
| schestowitz | as they did the last time | Jun 30 13:11 |
| schestowitz | and make another scandal the FCC will look into | Jun 30 13:11 |
| zoobab | they will have to buy FDP and some other parties | Jun 30 13:11 |
| schestowitz | they can't do it right, only Team UPC will pretend they have the major political parties behind them. They pretend only AfD opposes UPC. | Jun 30 13:12 |
| zoobab | people in NL are also looking at the 2/3 majority for CETA | Jun 30 13:12 |
| schestowitz | https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2020/06/dutch-law-proposes-wholesale-jettisoning-human-rights-considerations-copyright | Jun 30 13:12 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.eff.org | Dutch Law Proposes a Wholesale Jettisoning of Human Rights Considerations in Copyright Enforcement | Electronic Frontier Foundation | Jun 30 13:12 | |
| schestowitz | yesterday's news | Jun 30 13:12 |
| schestowitz | which I think is relevant | Jun 30 13:13 |
| schestowitz | you might wanna use it | Jun 30 13:13 |
| schestowitz | copyright, patents | Jun 30 13:13 |
| schestowitz | HollyNLwood | Jun 30 13:13 |
| zoobab | I told those copyright guys to get organized for the ratification in different countries | Jun 30 13:14 |
| zoobab | because you need to escalate once the law is passed | Jun 30 13:15 |
| schestowitz | BTW, is Pilch at EPO still? | Jun 30 13:15 |
| schestowitz | last I heard, he was specialising in languages | Jun 30 13:15 |
| zoobab | don't think so | Jun 30 13:15 |
| zoobab | he is out FFII | Jun 30 13:16 |
| schestowitz | where is he? when did you last speak to him? | Jun 30 13:16 |
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| schestowitz | what about Wessel? | Jun 30 13:16 |
| zoobab | via FB, but I think he is not anymore on there | Jun 30 13:16 |
| schestowitz | he maybe wrote a press release years ago? | Jun 30 13:16 |
| zoobab | Ante keeps doing stuff via Vrijschrift | Jun 30 13:16 |
| schestowitz | can't think of anyone from ffii would bother with fb | Jun 30 13:16 |
| zoobab | last time I saw him he was frustrated with some travel expenses that were not refunded | Jun 30 13:17 |
| schestowitz | so who's ffii now? Just you? | Jun 30 13:17 |
| zoobab | that's probably why he stopeed blogging on blog.ffii.org | Jun 30 13:17 |
| zoobab | there is Andre, and Mario | Jun 30 13:17 |
| schestowitz | Andre - I see him around, never in relation to FFII | Jun 30 13:17 |
| zoobab | but on UPC none are active anymore | Jun 30 13:18 |
| schestowitz | Is Andre using Windows? | Jun 30 13:18 |
| zoobab | no idea | Jun 30 13:18 |
| zoobab | he works for a voip company in berlin | Jun 30 13:18 |
| schestowitz | fair enough | Jun 30 13:18 |
| zoobab | project management I think | Jun 30 13:18 |
| zoobab | I checked it was all Asterisk based | Jun 30 13:18 |
| zoobab | cloud calls | Jun 30 13:18 |
| zoobab | anyway | Jun 30 13:19 |
| zoobab | I have some people in Berlin, who are interested in making some noise | Jun 30 13:19 |
| zoobab | we have 2 little months to make a campaign | Jun 30 13:20 |
| zoobab | and to write a complaint | Jun 30 13:21 |
| zoobab | but first the submission for friday | Jun 30 13:21 |
| zoobab | going to Morzine for MTBiking on friday, so our submission need to be ready ASAP | Jun 30 13:21 |
| schestowitz | cool | Jun 30 13:22 |
| zoobab | especially if the Brexit road-block "dissapears" with the withdrawal agreement | Jun 30 13:22 |
| schestowitz | I'd help bring light to it, as best I can... | Jun 30 13:22 |
| schestowitz | but seriously, less twitter, it's a "burning platform" | Jun 30 13:22 |
| schestowitz | Even advertisers boycott it now | Jun 30 13:22 |
| zoobab | I heard about CocaCola and FB | Jun 30 13:23 |
| zoobab | because they don't want to be seen next to "negative" content | Jun 30 13:23 |
| schestowitz | you are days behind | Jun 30 13:24 |
| schestowitz | even Microsoft now boycotts FB | Jun 30 13:24 |
| schestowitz | which is weird, they partly owned it | Jun 30 13:25 |
| schestowitz | and FB passes all the data to Microsoft | Jun 30 13:25 |
| schestowitz | I think about a dozen companies now boycott FB, Pepsi included | Jun 30 13:25 |
| schestowitz | Uniliver also | Jun 30 13:25 |
| zoobab | as long as technically it's not made impossible to censor... | Jun 30 13:26 |
| zoobab | even on linuxfr.org some of my articles are 'downvoted' | Jun 30 13:26 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft, Ford, Pepsi Join #Facebook, Instagram Ad Boycott https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/microsoft-ford-pepsi-join-facebook-instagram-ad-boycott-1301053 | Jun 30 13:26 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.hollywoodreporter.com | Microsoft, Ford, Pepsi Join Facebook, Instagram Ad Boycott | Hollywood Reporter | Jun 30 13:26 | |
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| oiaohm | schestowitz: https://www.incomediary.com/who-owns-facebook-the-10-richest-facebook-shareholders Really Microsoft – 1.3% – $1.3 Billion on Microsoft books this is not really that much. Microsoft is in the Trillion dollar class so a billion dollars here or there is not much. | Jun 30 13:34 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.incomediary.com | Who Owns Facebook? - The 10 Richest Facebook Shareholders - How To Make Money Online | Jun 30 13:34 | |
| oiaohm | Now if this boycott devalues facebook could allow Microsoft to get higher ownership percentage. | Jun 30 13:35 |
| schestowitz | This is a lie: "Microsoft is in the Trillion dollar class so a billion dollars here or there is not much." | Jun 30 13:47 |
| schestowitz | Wall Street is a lie | Jun 30 13:47 |
| schestowitz | and 2008 apparently taught you nothing | Jun 30 13:47 |
| schestowitz | their fictional valuation or "market caps" are part of a scheme | Jun 30 13:47 |
| schestowitz | it helps the nation receive debt, based on a misconception | Jun 30 13:48 |
| schestowitz | also see: Bernie Madoff | Jun 30 13:48 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: can I offer you 0.00001% of my company? | Jun 30 13:49 |
| schestowitz | it'll cost you just one AUS dollar | Jun 30 13:49 |
| schestowitz | and if you say yes, I'll tell you my market cap ;-) | Jun 30 13:49 |
| schestowitz | AUD = AU dollar (typo) | Jun 30 13:49 |
| oiaohm | schestowitz: AUS dollar is not exactly 100 percent wrong its is a slang you see as in reference to "Aussie Dollar" instead of Australian Dollar. Of course is the same thing. | Jun 30 13:53 |
| oiaohm | schestowitz: Microsoft is in the proper Trillion dollar market cap. Microsoft holds 286 Billion in assets. 1.3 billion in facebook if you look at assets is less than half a percent. Of course even asset valuations and share price valuations are part fiction. | Jun 30 14:05 |
| oiaohm | The loss of facebook to Microsoft would be less harmful to Microsoft than if the companies boycotting facebook decide to boycott Microsoft because they did not join in. | Jun 30 14:07 |
| AVRS | schestowitz: you can read an account as RSS using nitter | Jun 30 14:44 |
| AVRS | Didn't want to support Twitter with that :p | Jun 30 14:54 |
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| libertybox | ttps://t.co/EP9e3eKLVc | Jun 30 14:55 |
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| schestowitz | I know I can | Jun 30 15:06 |
| schestowitz | but what I need it for is seeing replies to me | Jun 30 15:06 |
| schestowitz | for that I need t log in | Jun 30 15:06 |
| schestowitz | (I don't reply to these anymore, I just check them once a day or so) | Jun 30 15:06 |
| zoobab | after some further discussions, the Withdrawal Agreement clause saying the "UK is considered as an EU member for the purpose of those international agreements" cannot be used for the UPC case, as it is not an international agreement in force yet | Jun 30 15:32 |
| zoobab | so the UPC is not part of the list | Jun 30 15:33 |
| schestowitz | aha | Jun 30 16:02 |
| schestowitz | so do a press release about it | Jun 30 16:02 |
| schestowitz | maybe we can amplify, reproduce etc. | Jun 30 16:02 |
| schestowitz | it makes it harder for them to repeat the lie later | Jun 30 16:03 |
| schestowitz | so they'll refrain from spreading the lie | Jun 30 16:03 |
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| zoobab | I will try to pass a phone call to Tillmann, to understand the legal reasoning | Jun 30 16:24 |
| schestowitz | lol | Jun 30 16:29 |
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| liberty_box | https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/weird-news/broody-mother-goose-taken-47-22278208 | Jun 30 16:46 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.mirror.co.uk | Broody mother goose has taken 47 babies under her wing - and they're so cute - Mirror Online | Jun 30 16:46 | |
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| MinceR | https://ircz.de/p/20022626 | Jun 30 16:52 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ircz.de | IRCZ makes your life worth living Post object (4386962) | Jun 30 16:52 | |
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| xwindows | https://www.globaltradeandsanctionslaw.com/new-export-control-rules-confront-integration-of-civilian-and-military-technology-development-in-china-russia-and-venezuela/ | Jun 30 16:54 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.globaltradeandsanctionslaw.com | New Export Control Rules Confront Integration of Civilian and Military Technology Development in China, Russia, and Venezuela — Global Trade & Sanctions Law — April 29, 2020 | Jun 30 16:54 | |
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| xwindows | Actually, they should continue selling to China Russian and Venezuela. | Jun 30 16:56 |
| xwindows | ........................................................................ | Jun 30 16:56 |
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| MinceR | i'd rather convert ubuntu into rolling release by installing void in its place | Jun 30 17:02 |
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| XRevan86 | Ubuntu got themselves a Sid, eh? | Jun 30 17:04 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | It seems to me that Pootie Poot did the bounties on US soldiers thing as a news dump to help get rid of Trump. | Jun 30 17:58 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The guy is obviously not stupid. Killing a few US soldiers in Afghanistan gets Russia nothing of value. | Jun 30 17:59 |
| DaemonFC[m] | As kompromat, more valuable. | Jun 30 17:59 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Seems like Putin is done with Trump and this is very damaging. Makes Trump look particularly stupid and weak. | Jun 30 18:00 |
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| schestowitz | DaemonFC[m]: he is weak | Jun 30 18:23 |
| schestowitz | so now he threatens people | Jun 30 18:23 |
| schestowitz | to make himself seem strong | Jun 30 18:23 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Pretty much. | Jun 30 18:23 |
| schestowitz | and they can't seem to be wanting ti impeach | Jun 30 18:24 |
| schestowitz | he helps distract from every evil thing they do | Jun 30 18:24 |
| DaemonFC[m] | His campaign is collapsing because people who actually are in the middle, or even slightly to the right, can't tolerate this anymore. | Jun 30 18:24 |
| schestowitz | they as in both corporate parties | Jun 30 18:24 |
| schestowitz | +17,506 cases | Jun 30 18:24 |
| schestowitz | and it's still early | Jun 30 18:24 |
| schestowitz | he wants to stop testing | Jun 30 18:24 |
| schestowitz | imagine that | Jun 30 18:24 |
| DaemonFC[m] | John Bolton said recently that "America can recover from one term of Trump.". | Jun 30 18:24 |
| schestowitz | I pay money | Jun 30 18:24 |
| schestowitz | I want to be be tested | Jun 30 18:24 |
| schestowitz | "sorry, sir, this is not legal" | Jun 30 18:25 |
| schestowitz | "but I am paying you | Jun 30 18:25 |
| schestowitz | " | Jun 30 18:25 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Basically, the same as saying it definitely can't recover if he gets a second one. | Jun 30 18:25 |
| schestowitz | Sorry, can't EXECUTIVE ORDER! Wait for symptoms" | Jun 30 18:25 |
| schestowitz | "Sorry, can't, EXECUTIVE ORDER! Wait for symptoms" | Jun 30 18:25 |
| DaemonFC[m] | That's actually not how it works. | Jun 30 18:25 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The CDC can advise on what to do, but it can't tell states what to do. | Jun 30 18:25 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The 6,000-10,000 daily cases in Florida are despite the Republicans trying to cover up how bad it is. | Jun 30 18:26 |
| schestowitz | they fired someone over it | Jun 30 18:26 |
| schestowitz | over a month ago, iirc | Jun 30 18:26 |
| schestowitz | in FL | Jun 30 18:26 |
| schestowitz | but I forgot the details | Jun 30 18:26 |
| DaemonFC[m] | That's under the guidelines they had in place to try to sweep things under the rug and reopen Disney. | Jun 30 18:26 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Now it's pretty clear that Disney isn't reopening and RNC is not going to be what Trump wanted. | Jun 30 18:28 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It's pretty clear that what happens next is another bad month like April probably. | Jun 30 18:31 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Only instead of the east coast this time, it'll be the south and west pretty much. | Jun 30 18:31 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The Florida problem quickly became a Georgia and Tennessee problem. | Jun 30 18:32 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It won't stay there, obviously. In another couple of weeks, Illinois might have to reverse its re-opening too. Nobody wants to admit it until it's painfully obvious that it is flaring up in that state again, so what we're dealing with here is a rolling shutdown where every state governor pretends it's a problem in another state until it isn't. | Jun 30 18:33 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz: I suspect that it will be a serious and ongoing problem for many more months. | Jun 30 18:36 |
| DaemonFC[m] | My psychiatrist was asking me what I thought of it. | Jun 30 18:36 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I told him pretty much what I said here and that I don't think it was going away, I think we were just seeing the eye of the storm because of the effect of a widespread shutdown, and that it was going to come back with a vengeance soon. | Jun 30 18:37 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I said that I was going to wait for 3-6 months probably to come out and get my bloodwork done at the lab because right now that's where all of the people are going to get a coronavirus test. | Jun 30 18:37 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz: Trump's poll numbers did a steep collapse and they are not recovering. | Jun 30 18:41 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They are continuing to gradually get worse. | Jun 30 18:42 |
| schestowitz | anger doesn't sell | Jun 30 18:42 |
| DaemonFC[m] | My thoughts on that are other than the mass unemployment and chaos, and people pissed off about everything.... | Jun 30 18:42 |
| DaemonFC[m] | How much of that is "permanent" in that dead old people don't answer the phone to talk to pollsters and even if the government is massaging the numbers for the virus, they cannot account for that in the polling data...? | Jun 30 18:43 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It seems now that if you wait a week, his net approval goes down about another tenth of a point. | Jun 30 18:43 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I suspect that "Dead people don't answer polls." is some of that. | Jun 30 18:43 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The virus is probably killing more people than we'll ever hear about. | Jun 30 18:44 |
| DaemonFC[m] | All we really can say for sure is that about 90% of them are over 50. | Jun 30 18:44 |
| schestowitz | the numbers are fudged | Jun 30 18:49 |
| schestowitz | you know they are | Jun 30 18:49 |
| schestowitz | because different authorities count differently | Jun 30 18:50 |
| schestowitz | and survival/death rates vary from like 1% to 20% between nations | Jun 30 18:50 |
| schestowitz | poor nations don't even test much | Jun 30 18:50 |
| schestowitz | what counts in the official number are deaths with test | Jun 30 18:50 |
| schestowitz | not either in isolation | Jun 30 18:50 |
| schestowitz | one way to measure is | Jun 30 18:51 |
| schestowitz | how many death certificates in March-June 2019 compared to same period this year | Jun 30 18:51 |
| schestowitz | assuming no nuclear war of big natural disasters you can do the diff, then attribute at least some of that to covid | Jun 30 18:52 |
| schestowitz | some people died from covid by suicide | Jun 30 18:52 |
| schestowitz | depression | Jun 30 18:52 |
| schestowitz | bad diet | Jun 30 18:52 |
| schestowitz | health | Jun 30 18:52 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Wow. 72 bankruptcy filings in ILND today, at NOON. | Jun 30 18:52 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Yeah, this is getting better /s | Jun 30 18:52 |
| schestowitz | (unrelated to covid19 itself) | Jun 30 18:52 |
| schestowitz | indirect death toll | Jun 30 18:52 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC[m]: I guess you have "join the club" glee | Jun 30 18:52 |
| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz: The second phase of the economic collapse is starting. | Jun 30 18:52 |
| schestowitz | [sarcasm] maybe they all read #techrights and copy you ;-) | Jun 30 18:53 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Mass wave of bankruptcy as moratoriums on evictions and lawsuits stops, and 31 days until the extra $600 unemployment check stipend goes away. | Jun 30 18:53 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC[m]: til: | Jun 30 18:53 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Watch. It'll be biblical. | Jun 30 18:53 |
| schestowitz | <li> | Jun 30 18:53 |
| schestowitz | <h5><a href="https://www.commondreams.org/news/2020/06/29/analysis-warns-11-those-unemployed-due-pandemic-have-zero-chance-getting-job-back">Analysis Warns 11% of Those Unemployed Due to Pandemic Have 'Zero Chance' of Getting Job Back</a></h5> | Jun 30 18:53 |
| schestowitz | <blockquote> | Jun 30 18:53 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.commondreams.org | Analysis Warns 11% of Those Unemployed Due to Pandemic Have 'Zero Chance' of Getting Job Back | Common Dreams News | Jun 30 18:53 | |
| schestowitz | <p>"The 10.7% number represents the hard floor that we'll bump up against when the virus vanishes, leaving us in a Great Recession level unemployment situation."</p></blockquote></li> | Jun 30 18:53 |
| schestowitz | it's for the next Daily Links batch BTW | Jun 30 18:54 |
| schestowitz | working on it atm | Jun 30 18:54 |
| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz: Shitty Group was trying to prevent telling their investors that things would be a disaster back in April. | Jun 30 18:54 |
| schestowitz | Citi lol | Jun 30 18:54 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I read the minutes on their conference call with investors. | Jun 30 18:54 |
| schestowitz | Citi Buffet | Jun 30 18:54 |
| DaemonFC[m] | No questions answered. | Jun 30 18:54 |
| schestowitz | hallo, shitty... (South Park) | Jun 30 18:54 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It was all "Read page such and such on the spreadsheet we gave you.". | Jun 30 18:55 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Now they're saying that based on what they see in Asia, they suspect the "US consumer will be hesitant to spend money for a while.". | Jun 30 18:55 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Duh doy! | Jun 30 18:55 |
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| schestowitz | spend on WHAT? | Jun 30 18:55 |
| schestowitz | I told rianne yesterday, food sector will suffer aso | Jun 30 18:56 |
| schestowitz | *also | Jun 30 18:56 |
| schestowitz | people still eat, BUT... | Jun 30 18:56 |
| schestowitz | how many go to work? | Jun 30 18:56 |
| schestowitz | In an office? | Jun 30 18:56 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Not at restaurants. | Jun 30 18:56 |
| schestowitz | No more sub sandwitches for $5 apiece | Jun 30 18:56 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The restaurant industry is collapsing. | Jun 30 18:56 |
| schestowitz | people spend less also in grocery stores, don't get more started on eating out | Jun 30 18:56 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Many 5 star restaurants in Chicago have already filed liquidation bankruptcy and voided their leases and fired everyone. | Jun 30 18:56 |
| schestowitz | the dining sector can get better prices on food supplies | Jun 30 18:57 |
| schestowitz | the margins are huge | Jun 30 18:57 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Yes, they can. Which is why food inflation at the grocery store has been more severe than it has been at restaurants. | Jun 30 18:57 |
| schestowitz | but grocery stores like Mandy's will sell biscuits and jam and othee pastries | Jun 30 18:57 |
| schestowitz | not turkeys and steaks | Jun 30 18:57 |
| schestowitz | fewer people have the confidence to spent on exquisite foods | Jun 30 18:57 |
| schestowitz | so that sector too will see a demand after panic-buying and stockpiling | Jun 30 18:58 |
| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz: I pretty much halted our buying of ground beef and steak and roast and stuff. | Jun 30 18:58 |
| schestowitz | then food prices will go up | Jun 30 18:58 |
| schestowitz | to cover up cost of operations | Jun 30 18:58 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The prices have soared, but not on chicken and turkey so much. | Jun 30 18:58 |
| schestowitz | tomorrow is h2 of 2020 | Jun 30 18:58 |
| schestowitz | so I take up a step vegetarianism | Jun 30 18:58 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I think that inflation on poultry will be subdued because the cost inputs work out better there. | Jun 30 18:59 |
| schestowitz | I could until now buy meat only is 2/3 discounted | Jun 30 18:59 |
| schestowitz | now it'll be 3/4 | Jun 30 18:59 |
| schestowitz | which is super hard to find, a rarity unless it's near the closing time | Jun 30 18:59 |
| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz: I'm making turkey stuffed cabbage tomorrow. | Jun 30 18:59 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I bought a ton of spaghetti and sauce back in March because people were panic buying. | Jun 30 18:59 |
| schestowitz | what goes in what? | Jun 30 18:59 |
| schestowitz | the turkey in the cabbage or cabbage in the turkey? | Jun 30 19:00 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So I ended up using like 10 jars of sauce in the last 2 weeks to get rid of it. | Jun 30 19:00 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Ground turkey mixture in the cabbage. | Jun 30 19:00 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Put it in the pressure cooker. The spaghetti sauce acts as the liquid. | Jun 30 19:00 |
| schestowitz | i c... | Jun 30 19:00 |
| schestowitz | anyway, bbl | Jun 30 19:00 |
| schestowitz | i need to do daily links | Jun 30 19:00 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I've been using the pressure cooker a lot because I can make large quantities of food in it and then we have leftovers to send Mandy to work with, and a leftover night each week. | Jun 30 19:01 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Just grab something from the past week and heat it up. | Jun 30 19:01 |
| DaemonFC[m] | No grocery expense that day. | Jun 30 19:01 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Also, to contain costs, I took out a Walmart card for Mandy that gives us 5% back on our grocery orders. | Jun 30 19:01 |
| DaemonFC[m] | In the last month that gave us $25 back. | Jun 30 19:02 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Between our stuff, the cat stuff, gas (Murphy/Walmart gas is a bonus), etc. | Jun 30 19:02 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I think we could pull in $300 or so a year just off gas and groceries on that card. | Jun 30 19:03 |
| MinceR | (cat) https://hugelolcdn.com/i/679071.jpg | Jun 30 19:03 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I started buying those economy size cans of coffee because it works out to about 30% cheaper on unit price than the "big can". | Jun 30 19:04 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Half and half, a half a gallon at a time. | Jun 30 19:05 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Bulk buying works out sometimes, especially when there's two of you. | Jun 30 19:05 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Mandy will go "So expensive!" and I have to point out, "Not if you look at the problem as trying to get the long term smoothed average down.". | Jun 30 19:06 |
| DaemonFC[m] | People do behave differently during recessions. How nice of Citi to be Captain Obvious here. | Jun 30 19:07 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | They were hoping for a V shaped recession, but we're going to get a sustained one because this damned virus is really at least a 12 month problem without a vaccine and that's if it just blows through doing whatever it does and then it's mostly over with because herd immunity. | Jun 30 19:09 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They were hoping that there were just a fuckton of infections out there that weren't getting diagnosed because of mild symptoms and if that was the case, we wouldn't have Fauci testifying to the Senate that we could be seeing 100,000+ confirmed per day for a while at some point soon. | Jun 30 19:10 |
| DaemonFC[m] | For this to be going on, something's happening. Either we were diagnosing more of the total cases than we thought, the immunity in survivors isn't as good as it needs to be, or some of both. | Jun 30 19:11 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Anyway, MinceR I was inspired by The Running Man with the fine. | Jun 30 19:12 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Remember when they're taking the explosive neck collar off Ben Richards and it starts beeping rapidly, and the guy throws it down a chute and says "Goodbye, my lovely!"? | Jun 30 19:13 |
| DaemonFC[m] | That's sort of what I did with the fine in the bankruptcy. | Jun 30 19:13 |
| MinceR | :) | Jun 30 19:13 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | "Nothing to lose your head over, eh?" | Jun 30 19:16 |
| DaemonFC[m] | "You got it!" | Jun 30 19:17 |
| DaemonFC[m] | lights up a cigar | Jun 30 19:17 |
| MinceR | :) | Jun 30 19:19 |
| DaemonFC[m] | MinceR: I had someone from the court call me to make sure I was still living where I said I would. | Jun 30 19:20 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I told her, "Do you honestly think that I'm going to go 'O Brother, Where Art Thou?' to escape from two more months of unsupervised probation?". | Jun 30 19:21 |
| DaemonFC[m] | She laughed. | Jun 30 19:21 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I said, "I get it. The whole country is turning into Escape From New York and you have to make sure everyone's still where they should be.". | Jun 30 19:25 |
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| MinceR | it's actually turning into Idiocracy | Jun 30 19:25 |
| DaemonFC[m] | MinceR: No, I think Escape from New York. | Jun 30 19:28 |
| DaemonFC[m] | We even have a warlord, apparently in the "Seattle Neutral Zone". Or whatever it is they're calling that now. | Jun 30 19:28 |
| MinceR | :> | Jun 30 19:30 |
| DaemonFC[m] | According to the far right, it's either a domestic terrorist group, like ISIS, which will take over America one city block at a time, or a few kids making a pillow fort. Whatever mood Fox News is in. | Jun 30 19:31 |
| MinceR | it's a superposition of both | Jun 30 19:32 |
| DaemonFC[m] | MinceR: Of course, chaining Fox News narratives together, it's Time Traveling Weather Underground setting up a base of operations to help Barack Hussein Obama turn America into Communism. | Jun 30 19:32 |
| MinceR | and who's the warlord? | Jun 30 19:32 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Probably whoever they Photoshopped in this week. | Jun 30 19:33 |
| MinceR | lol | Jun 30 19:33 |
| DaemonFC[m] | "NO! WE GO IN! WE KILL!!!! NO MORE TALK! WE KILL!!!!" | Jun 30 19:34 |
| MinceR | and who's Snake Plissken? | Jun 30 19:35 |
| DaemonFC[m] | MinceR: This seems to be something more like the far-left version of the takeover of the wildlife preserve several years ago by the Bundys. | Jun 30 19:35 |
| DaemonFC[m] | No, not Al Bundy, a guy that was mad that the government was charging him to let his cattle graze on public land. | Jun 30 19:36 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Of course, not learning a damned thing from the Waco incident, he ended up getting his brother killed in the ensuing raid. | Jun 30 19:36 |
| MinceR | :> | Jun 30 19:36 |
| DaemonFC[m] | If you piss off the government just so, they will "accidentally" come in and kill people, including many women and children if the need arises. | Jun 30 19:37 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The re-election of Bill Clinton just proved that there was no political damage done by the Waco incident. | Jun 30 19:38 |
| MinceR | again, proving the "social contract" to be a hoax | Jun 30 19:38 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They should have known that since it was impossible for Clinton to carry Texas in 1996 anyway that he was probably not in the mood to bring that to a peaceful resolution. | Jun 30 19:38 |
| DaemonFC[m] | <MinceR "again, proving the "social contr"> Pretty much, but so did the virus. Remember that part about the social contract where you agreed to give $4 trillion mostly to banks and companies that should have failed years ago anyway which gobbled up "Paycheck Protection" loans while the government did fuck all for peopl? | Jun 30 19:40 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Because I sure remember signing that. | Jun 30 19:40 |
| DaemonFC[m] | MinceR: So, I took the one time $1,200 check from the government and filed bankruptcy against my creditors. Or as I like to call it, a tax return. | Jun 30 19:41 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I mean, you really can't fault it as a strategy. The $1,200 either pays about 1 month of rent -or- shreds something like $80,000 worth of debt that is fresh enough for various companies to try to collect on and harass me with for perhaps 27 years. | Jun 30 19:42 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I don't feel like dealing with what happened in 2019 until I'm 63 years old. | Jun 30 19:43 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So fuck all of them. | Jun 30 19:43 |
| DaemonFC[m] | There was already something like $1.4 trillion in revolving credit card loans out there before the virus hit. | Jun 30 19:45 |
| DaemonFC[m] | About 3% were so late that the bank was about to charge them off, but ...... That's like $42 billion? | Jun 30 19:46 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Also, this neat thing happens to make credit card default look low. | Jun 30 19:46 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They get to charge it off and sell it to a collection agency, and then nobody is tracking it anymore, after 6 months. | Jun 30 19:46 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So if I had to make and educated guess here, something like $100-150 billion in credit card debt will be blown away in bankruptcy in the coming months. | Jun 30 19:47 |
| DaemonFC[m] | More after that, because many people stopped paying their cards in April who wouldn't have, to free up what money they had for current expenses. | Jun 30 19:47 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Now the banks saw this unfolding and have gotten really tight with their lending and have been closing accounts and reducing credit limits to amount owed, to head people off who might be tempted to max the card out and walk away. | Jun 30 19:48 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The problem is that there were so many people trapped in an endless cycle of minimum payments to kick the can at the point where the banks woke up and decided to mitigate, that they're probably going to be exposed so something more like $400-500 billion in losses on credit cards that go into bankruptcy in the next 6 months. | Jun 30 19:49 |
| DaemonFC[m] | That's not even talking about mortgages and car payments, which are both much bigger than credit cards. | Jun 30 19:50 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Or student loans, where Trump tried to prevent mass default and people being raked over the coals during an election year with executive orders. | Jun 30 19:50 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Trump channeled Bernie Sanders on student loans, with executive actions he could have taken at any time, but decided that he had an election to try to salvage and that people might not be in quite enough of a rotten mood to do anything about him if they didn't have the student loan people breathing down their necks at that very moment in November. | Jun 30 19:51 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Then, after the election, guess what happens. | Jun 30 19:52 |
| DaemonFC[m] | People are stupid and if a problem isn't a problem at that very minute, they're not thinking about it. | Jun 30 19:52 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So the student loan thing definitely comes back as soon as Trump doesn't need these people to not be furious. | Jun 30 19:53 |
| DaemonFC[m] | He's pushing things around so that people aren't feeling maximum pain until after the election. It is not fixing anything. | Jun 30 19:53 |
| DaemonFC[m] | In fact, we are so fucked after the election if he is still in there for another 4 years that it's not even funny. | Jun 30 19:54 |
| DaemonFC[m] | There's no consequences in his mind for anything he does at that point, so if there's been anything moderating him for the past 4 years, it's gone. | Jun 30 19:54 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I'd much rather deal with a couple of months of whatever he does as a lame duck than another 4 years of Trump unchained. | Jun 30 19:55 |
| DaemonFC[m] | You still have these fucking idiots that refuse to grow up and support Biden because he's not Bernie Sanders. | Jun 30 19:56 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Presumably not as many as in 2016. | Jun 30 19:56 |
| DaemonFC[m] | MinceR: So I'm really hoping for a mass wave of bankruptcy before the election, because it's coming sooner or later, and it might as well be happening while Trump can't possibly defend it. | Jun 30 19:58 |
| DaemonFC[m] | While it could at least kick people in the nuts hard enough to get rid of him. | Jun 30 19:58 |
| DaemonFC[m] | This Russian bounty hunting thing is blowing up on him right now. | Jun 30 19:59 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Putin is obviously finished with Trump. There's no strategic value in the Russians paying a few camel jockeys to pick off a US soldier or two, other than as an election year scandal that hits Trump where it hurts. | Jun 30 20:00 |
| MinceR | https://files.catbox.moe/01hyrn.jpg | Jun 30 20:00 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Now it's gonna be all over the news this woman who says my son was killed by terrorists that were paid by the Russians while Trump knew about it and tried covering it up. | Jun 30 20:01 |
| DaemonFC[m] | That's not going to play well. | Jun 30 20:01 |
| DaemonFC[m] | MinceR: Well, I think it's going to be an ongoing problem in Europe any way you look at it. | Jun 30 20:02 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Whether it's mainly an economic one (like they needed one more) or whether it flares up again with no vaccine. | Jun 30 20:02 |
| DaemonFC[m] | One of the things these decadent morons needed was tourists from the US to bring their money to spend on con games and muggings. | Jun 30 20:04 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Now that's gone. | Jun 30 20:04 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The UK has turned into something that's even more far gone than the United States. | Jun 30 20:05 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They're about 10-20 years further into the collapse of society in many ways. | Jun 30 20:05 |
| DaemonFC[m] | After Brexit, which was pretty entirely the fault of England, pretty much everyone else wants out of the UK now. | Jun 30 20:06 |
| DaemonFC[m] | In Northern Ireland, most did already. | Jun 30 20:06 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Now Scotland wants another swing at an independence referendum. | Jun 30 20:06 |
| DaemonFC[m] | What they're going through right now is basically states trying to secede from a union. | Jun 30 20:06 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So it's basically a Cold Civil War at the moment. | Jun 30 20:06 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They're fucked. | Jun 30 20:07 |
| DaemonFC[m] | This is not the same society that stood firm against the Nazis. | Jun 30 20:07 |
| DaemonFC[m] | This is the logical unraveling that began with Margaret Thatcher. | Jun 30 20:07 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Give her ~4 decades and she's right. There is no society. | Jun 30 20:08 |
| DaemonFC[m] | MinceR: So, they can laugh at the US if they want. Whatever gives them a security blanket so they can suck on their collective thumb and not think about Troubles 2.0. | Jun 30 20:09 |
| DaemonFC[m] | That's already starting. | Jun 30 20:09 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Eventually, everyone who goes against England and resists wins. They fold like a cheap card table and leave. | Jun 30 20:10 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So it might not happen tomorrow, but I believe it will. | Jun 30 20:11 |
| DaemonFC[m] | MinceR: Also, ZING! Another Star Trek prophecy comes true. The banned (in England) TNG episode where Data says that resistance from Northern Ireland was successful by 2026. | Jun 30 20:12 |
| MinceR | :> | Jun 30 20:12 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I was unhappy to see that they took some mild concessions from their invaders and disarmed themselves. | Jun 30 20:13 |
| DaemonFC[m] | God, even as a teenager I was unhappy to see that. | Jun 30 20:13 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Trump has been threatening the states with much the same treatment. The blue states anyway. | Jun 30 20:14 |
| DaemonFC[m] | That he'd send in the army if he didn't like what they did. | Jun 30 20:14 |
| DaemonFC[m] | MinceR: Gun permit applications in Illinois are up over 500% from normal. | Jun 30 20:14 |
| DaemonFC[m] | People who don't want to be occupied and see it coming are arming themselves. | Jun 30 20:14 |
| MinceR | good | Jun 30 20:15 |
| DaemonFC[m] | After Trump threatened us, Governor Pritzker said gun stores could reopen and were now "essential". | Jun 30 20:15 |
| DaemonFC[m] | MinceR: I'll be submitting a new FOID application the day after probation ends. | Jun 30 20:16 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Disorderly Conduct is not a violent crime under FOID and I was not convicted. | Jun 30 20:16 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The "don't possess guns" condition expires when probation does. | Jun 30 20:16 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So I do plan to get a new permit immediately. | Jun 30 20:17 |
| *AVRS has quit (Quit: WeeChat 2.8) | Jun 30 20:17 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | Between rioting and Trump threatening to send in the army, people just do not want to think about how they can respond to that with baseball bats and pepper spray. | Jun 30 20:17 |
| DaemonFC[m] | FOID needs to be repealed or struck down. | Jun 30 20:18 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I was really hoping someone could get this one to the Supreme Court. | Jun 30 20:18 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They've been throwing out anti-gun laws six ways to Sunday and this one needs to go away too. | Jun 30 20:18 |
| DaemonFC[m] | That's why we have a second amendment. The government cannot ever be trusted not to do whatever it thinks it can get away with. | Jun 30 20:19 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Without an armed civilian population, it'll be a complete pushover. | Jun 30 20:19 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The anti-gun movement is collapsing right in front of us. | Jun 30 20:20 |
| DaemonFC[m] | That's good. That's one reason everyone hates the left. | Jun 30 20:21 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They're like Arnold Rimmer after he has his anger sucked out by the Polymorph and becomes a guidance counselor. | Jun 30 20:22 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Suggests hitting it hard and fast with a major leaflet campaign. | Jun 30 20:22 |
| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz: The problem here is that there's a circus going on, on both extremes. | Jun 30 20:23 |
| DaemonFC[m] | On the left, it's a polar opposite full of social justice warriors, wimps, and womyn. | Jun 30 20:23 |
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| MinceR | why can't "right-wingers" in europe campaign for the right to keep and bear arms? | Jun 30 20:31 |
| schestowitz | bear arm... | Jun 30 20:35 |
| schestowitz | bears in Italy... | Jun 30 20:35 |
| schestowitz | https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/brown-bear-attacked-father-son-22273546 | Jun 30 20:35 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.mirror.co.uk | Brown bear which attacked father and son hiking in Italy sentenced to death - World News - Mirror Online | Jun 30 20:36 | |
| schestowitz | did the bear have a good lawyer? | Jun 30 20:36 |
| schestowitz | did he get a chance to hear the Miranda rights? | Jun 30 20:36 |
| schestowitz | *(or she) | Jun 30 20:36 |
| MinceR | :> | Jun 30 20:37 |
| MinceR | it could have been an intersex bear | Jun 30 20:37 |
| schestowitz | not yet | Jun 30 20:39 |
| schestowitz | let them shoot first, see what happens | Jun 30 20:39 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Italian men are really hairy, stereotypically, and some are gay, so they probably have many bears. | Jun 30 20:42 |
| MinceR | :> | Jun 30 20:42 |
| DaemonFC[m] | <MinceR "it could have been an intersex b"> Did you assume its gender? The bear prefers them/they. Sometimes the bear feels like raising cubs and sometimes it just wants to pound beers and complain about all the women who went after it for support, despite being independent, equal, and not needing a man. | Jun 30 20:43 |
| MinceR | no, i said "could" | Jun 30 20:44 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Merely suggesting that it could be anything that it doesn't like is offensive and I'm going to have to report you to Mozilla so you can be removed from Comcast DNS now. | Jun 30 20:44 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Mark Zuckerberg has started the process of backpeddling from the appeasement of the Nazis now that some giant advertisers are calling it quits. | Jun 30 20:48 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Facebook has decided to apply its labels of misleading content, hate speech, etc. more often and has started delisting some of the outright Nazi groups it was ignoring previously. | Jun 30 20:49 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Reddit nuked almost all of the worst ones. To make it seem "balanced", it also removed a bunch of "far left" ones, but the ones it went after over there were mostly inactive. | Jun 30 20:50 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Removing The_Donald alone was a huge swat against Trump because that's where his supporters gathered to make memes that would then be copied to Facebook. | Jun 30 20:50 |
| DaemonFC[m] | 107 ILND bankruptcy filings today with a few hours left on the clock. | Jun 30 20:54 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Yeah, this is looking like the beginning of the surge. | Jun 30 20:54 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It was 88 yesterday and had been hovering in the 60s or 70s per day most of the month. | Jun 30 20:54 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So filings are trending upwards after a very calm April and May. | Jun 30 20:54 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Yes, schestowitz is correct. I'm watching this closely because I'm a disaster junkie and I can admit it. I also think that the bankruptcy courts are going to burn down a lot of the pervasive rot that has accumulated, and help spark a banking crisis that will land on Trump's front doorstep heading into the election. | Jun 30 20:56 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It was never really in doubt that the shit would hit the fan, and the only real questions are how much and how quickly. | Jun 30 20:57 |
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| schestowitz | DaemonFC[m]: the US disaster started a long time ago | Jun 30 20:58 |
| schestowitz | well before trump | Jun 30 20:58 |
| schestowitz | some would name nixon | Jun 30 20:58 |
| schestowitz | some Raegan for several reasons | Jun 30 20:59 |
| schestowitz | some Bush | Jun 30 20:59 |
| schestowitz | Obama maybe | Jun 30 20:59 |
| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz: The banks will give credit cards to goddamned anyone and just keep raising the limits without checking to see if they can pay or reviewing the accounts. | Jun 30 20:59 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So they're going go get hammered hard. | Jun 30 20:59 |
| schestowitz | I think he took a lot of crap after Bush already put USland in many wars and wall street catastrophe | Jun 30 20:59 |
| schestowitz | trump has bankruptcy experience | Jun 30 20:59 |
| schestowitz | and his erratic crime-loving style distracts from the collapse of the country at a level other than ethnic | Jun 30 21:00 |
| DaemonFC[m] | If they hadn't been as sloppy then the bankruptcy shitstorm that's about to unfold wouldn't be happening. Also, with decreased purchasing power, the push on employer to grant raises would be higher. | Jun 30 21:00 |
| schestowitz | removing national security | Jun 30 21:00 |
| schestowitz | and health insurance | Jun 30 21:00 |
| schestowitz | to kill what's left | Jun 30 21:00 |
| schestowitz | many will die indirectly | Jun 30 21:00 |
| MinceR | lol @ comcast DNS | Jun 30 21:00 |
| schestowitz | things like no access to basic drugs | Jun 30 21:00 |
| DaemonFC[m] | There's a big cost to bankruptcy. The debt doesn't "disappear". Someone else had to pay it. | Jun 30 21:00 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So it's socialism, but don't call it that. | Jun 30 21:01 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: techrights article? | Jun 30 21:01 |
| schestowitz | the mozilla ones are old | Jun 30 21:01 |
| MinceR | no, what DaemonFC[m] said | Jun 30 21:01 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC[m]: what's the ref for this? | Jun 30 21:02 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The "Someone Else's Problem" factor appeals to people like Trump, which is why they file all the time and let someone else to pay for their parasitic behaviors. | Jun 30 21:02 |
| schestowitz | I know about doh, but what else? | Jun 30 21:02 |
| schestowitz | They use another acronym now | Jun 30 21:02 |
| DaemonFC[m] | These concessions to Comcast and the "partnership" come months after Comcast was complaining to Congress that DoH would cause the internet to "go dark" and hamstring the cops. | Jun 30 21:02 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So guess what happens behind the scenes.... Mozilla folded and Comcast extracted enormous concession that make any potential privacy go away. | Jun 30 21:03 |
| MinceR | 30 215840 < schestowitz> some would name nixon | Jun 30 21:03 |
| schestowitz | yes | Jun 30 21:03 |
| MinceR | i would | Jun 30 21:03 |
| schestowitz | he did the deal with the chinese iir | Jun 30 21:03 |
| schestowitz | *iirc | Jun 30 21:03 |
| schestowitz | then lots of manufacturing went elsewhere | Jun 30 21:04 |
| schestowitz | and never came back, never will | Jun 30 21:04 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They wanted Congress to make DoH illegal so the government and Comcast could keep spying on DNS. | Jun 30 21:04 |
| schestowitz | the chinese too suffered from it... the people, not the dictatorship | Jun 30 21:04 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Now they don't want it to be illegal. | Jun 30 21:04 |
| DaemonFC[m] | How does that happen? | Jun 30 21:04 |
| schestowitz | they became warehouse and sweatshop | Jun 30 21:04 |
| schestowitz | http://techrights.org/2020/06/25/mozilla-comcast/ | Jun 30 21:05 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Mozilla Shames Itself and Harms Its Reputation by Stating That “Comcast Has Taken Major Steps to Protect Customer Privacy” | Techrights | Jun 30 21:05 | |
| schestowitz | http://techrights.org/2020/06/25/comcast-privacy/ | Jun 30 21:05 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | [Humour] Mozilla Firefox Will Protect Your Privacy Like Comcast Does | Techrights | Jun 30 21:05 | |
| schestowitz | I moved all my pcs away from firefox this past weekend | Jun 30 21:05 |
| schestowitz | mozilla is not mozilla | Jun 30 21:06 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Comcast & Mozilla made an IETF draft that is essentially a standard for how ISPs intercept DoH and hijack DNS back to themselves. | Jun 30 21:06 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Think that won't be attacked? | Jun 30 21:06 |
| MinceR | > DoH | Jun 30 21:06 |
| MinceR | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:ArkanoidRevengeofDoh.jpg | Jun 30 21:06 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | File:ArkanoidRevengeofDoh.jpg - Wikipedia | Jun 30 21:06 | |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC[m]: of course they would | Jun 30 21:07 |
| schestowitz | "law enforcement" | Jun 30 21:07 |
| schestowitz | privacy is a crime now | Jun 30 21:07 |
| schestowitz | mozilla is just posing | Jun 30 21:07 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Comcast and Microsoft are kind of the same in that if they invest any effort into making something work, it's because it's bad for you. | Jun 30 21:10 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The rest can just stay halfassed and broken. | Jun 30 21:10 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The US government letting Microsoft buy their way in and burrow is the reason the Chinese military keeps getting all of our R&D after we paid for it. | Jun 30 21:11 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I'd be surprised if all of those Chinese students that get arrested for spying lately are spies. | Jun 30 21:12 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They might be, but Trump's election is in trouble, and rounding up random Chinese and accusing them of being spies is exactly what a guy like him would do. | Jun 30 21:13 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I would. | Jun 30 21:13 |
| DaemonFC[m] | If the cases all fall apart, it'll be after election day and you can just deport them anyway. | Jun 30 21:13 |
| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz: High Machs score very low on Social Intelligence, oddly enough. The theory is that they manipulate others successfully because they're more willing to do it than most people. | Jun 30 21:15 |
| DaemonFC[m] | There was an episode of Star Trek Voyager where the Doctor had his ethical subroutines deleted by the crew of another ship that had made more progress getting through the Delta Quadrant than Voyager, despite having a much less advanced ship. | Jun 30 21:16 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The crew got as far along as they did because the first thing they did was abandon all Starfleet protocols and start acting like a bunch of pirates. | Jun 30 21:16 |
| DaemonFC[m] | When they sucked out the Doctor's ethics program, he became capable of doing almost anything despite the fact that absolutely nothing else about his program's capabilities had changed in the slightest. | Jun 30 21:17 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | I have no idea where I score on Social Intelligence, but when people cross paths with me I'll cut them to ribbons. | Jun 30 21:18 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Because I will say or do anything that will get me out of a bind. | Jun 30 21:18 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I turned two years in prison into bad credit for a little while, kind of. | Jun 30 21:19 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Trump isn't that much different than I am except that he is not nearly as smart. | Jun 30 21:19 |
| DaemonFC[m] | If someone handed me millions of dollars and gave me decades to do what I wanted to with it, I would be incredibly wealthy right now. | Jun 30 21:20 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | Perhaps, even the president. | Jun 30 21:20 |
| DaemonFC[m] | MinceR: It's a vicious world. As Londo Mollari once said in B5, when asked why he did some things. | Jun 30 21:21 |
| DaemonFC[m] | "Because, sooner or later, you would have done it to me." | Jun 30 21:21 |
| DaemonFC[m] | At some point, with that stupid car out there somewhere, John would stumble over financially and the finance company would go back to pursuing me about it while he ended up filing bankruptcy. | Jun 30 21:22 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | Then I'd have a bankruptcy and a repo on my credit, and that's worse. | Jun 30 21:22 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Now he'll have to figure out just the right way to lose the car, or that will be him. | Jun 30 21:23 |
| DaemonFC[m] | He's not as smart as me though. | Jun 30 21:23 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So this was just the least shitty opportunity to hit the Self Destruct that I was going to get. | Jun 30 21:24 |
| DaemonFC[m] | If you lose a car outside of a bankruptcy to a repo, the repo survives on your credit as well as the bankruptcy. | Jun 30 21:25 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They might never be able to get the money from you, but the repo on top does another 100-150 points of damage. | Jun 30 21:25 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So, MinceR, in Star Trek terminology. Do you want to get hit with one photon torpedo before you can get the shields up, or two? | Jun 30 21:26 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I'm sure that John will get hit with both barrels before he gets out from under that stupid loan. | Jun 30 21:29 |
| DaemonFC[m] | What did we learn? | Jun 30 21:29 |
| DaemonFC[m] | NEVER sign a car loan again. | Jun 30 21:29 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | I was fully expecting to get hit twice because I didn't think John would get the car back. | Jun 30 21:30 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So ironically he spent a lot of money to bail me out somewhat. | Jun 30 21:30 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I limped on for several more months and filed bankruptcy. | Jun 30 21:30 |
| DaemonFC[m] | MinceR: I quoted The Martian when Mandy asked me what I was going to do. | Jun 30 21:31 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I said, "I'm going to science the shit of it.". | Jun 30 21:31 |
| DaemonFC[m] | His sister trying to fuck our immigration case would be the part of the movie where his potatoes blew up. | Jun 30 21:32 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I'm going to have to watch through SG-1 again. | Jun 30 21:34 |
| DaemonFC[m] | O'Neill: "You just interrupted a lovely brunch! What can I do for you?". | Jun 30 21:34 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Ba'al: "Impudence!" | Jun 30 21:34 |
| DaemonFC[m] | O'Neill: "No....tuna." | Jun 30 21:34 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The Dad jokes just went on and on. | Jun 30 21:35 |
| MinceR | DaemonFC[m]: why would the shields ever not be up? | Jun 30 21:36 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Well, usually because they're an enormous drain on the ship and are only raised during combat or when it is anticipated. | Jun 30 21:37 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The Klingons and Romulans have cloaks. They uncloak and they can immediately fire as soon as the cloak generator turns off. | Jun 30 21:37 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So it's possible to come under attack suddenly and without realizing it fast enough to immediately raise shields. | Jun 30 21:38 |
| MinceR | so usually they just take all the micrometeorites down with the hull? | Jun 30 21:38 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The plot hole of "Well, what about micro-meteorites and stellar dust? Especially at warp!" was finally closed, in Enterprise, I believe. | Jun 30 21:39 |
| MinceR | i'm sure none of it will cause any harm. | Jun 30 21:39 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The ship has some sort of hull polarization at all times that's enough to deal with that. | Jun 30 21:39 |
| MinceR | just get a ship from one of the 'verses where the shield can be up all the time :> | Jun 30 21:39 |
| MinceR | in Tyrian, you can take small ships out just by ramming them with the shield | Jun 30 21:39 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Well, in Yesterday's Enterprise, the Federation had been at war with the Klingon Empire for over 20 years and the Enterprise D was a "Federation Warship". | Jun 30 21:40 |
| schestowitz | +29,725 covid19, us | Jun 30 21:41 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It was explained that most of the ship ran at low power in order to have the shields up all the time. | Jun 30 21:41 |
| schestowitz | 555 death so far | Jun 30 21:41 |
| MinceR | https://ircz.de/p/20022624 | Jun 30 21:41 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ircz.de | IRCZ makes your life worth living Post object (4386909) | Jun 30 21:41 | |
| schestowitz | might be close to 800 at end | Jun 30 21:41 |
| MinceR | https://ircz.de/p/20022624 | Jun 30 21:42 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The Federation was on the losing side of the war. | Jun 30 21:42 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Starfleet had been keeping it under wraps because they didn't want to admit that the Federation would collapse within months at the rate the war was going. | Jun 30 21:42 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: same url | Jun 30 21:42 |
| MinceR | ah, i only meant to send it once | Jun 30 21:42 |
| schestowitz | I thought maybe wrong paste the second time | Jun 30 21:43 |
| schestowitz | clipboard mismanagement | Jun 30 21:43 |
| MinceR | i probably forgot that i already sent it | Jun 30 21:43 |
| MinceR | while i was reading the text | Jun 30 21:43 |
| DaemonFC[m] | MinceR: In war, you generally either want your enemy to operate with no information or with information that confuses them and forces them to make a big mistake. | Jun 30 21:43 |
| MinceR | DaemonFC[m]: "THIS IS NOT WAR, THIS IS PEST CONTROL!" | Jun 30 21:44 |
| DaemonFC[m] | If you can't fight them, you make it appear like you can. If you can ambush them and inflict heavy damage, you make it seem like the place you want them to attack is lightly defended and is, therefore, an irresistible target. | Jun 30 21:45 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I spent an insane amount of resources making it appear like I could defend myself well, that the jury would be sympathetic to my mental illness and a state of confusion brought about by sleeping pills, etc. | Jun 30 21:46 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Then I went on the offensive by using the car as a talking point over lunch with John. | Jun 30 21:47 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Reminding him if I went to jail I would definitely not be able to pay it. | Jun 30 21:47 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So he started backpeddling by the time the prosecutor got around to calling him. | Jun 30 21:47 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | So, by the time I signed the plea deal, the prosecutor thought that he was dealing with a hopelessly lost case if it found its way into trial and gave up without demanding very much from me. | Jun 30 21:48 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Then I defaulted on the car 6 days later and drove it for months while John was screaming at me over my voicemail. | Jun 30 21:48 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Then had it repossessed on purpose and dropped the insurance and took the license plates too. | Jun 30 21:48 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Then a few months after he paid thousands just to get it out of repo and to cover me driving it for free while I had the Impala under repair, the Coronavirus struck and put him on unemployment, and he started slipping on the car payments. | Jun 30 21:49 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: happens to me a lot | Jun 30 21:49 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So I filed bankruptcy and left him holding the bag on that. | Jun 30 21:50 |
| schestowitz | better to double-paste than to fail to paste altogether | Jun 30 21:50 |
| schestowitz | 30,031 | Jun 30 21:50 |
| schestowitz | it's a numbers game | Jun 30 21:50 |
| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz: Counter-offensive. | Jun 30 21:50 |
| schestowitz | soon there will be more us covid10 cases then the difference between voters Clinton got over Trump | Jun 30 21:50 |
| DaemonFC[m] | He spent all last Summer thumbing his nose at me. | Jun 30 21:50 |
| schestowitz | covid19 | Jun 30 21:50 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Ended up getting hit much harder than I did. | Jun 30 21:51 |
| schestowitz | *than | Jun 30 21:51 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I was in such a good mood after my bankruptcy went through I started up my Donna Summer music and started dancing around the house. | Jun 30 21:51 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Mandy thought I had lost my mind. | Jun 30 21:51 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It turned into a big problem for John and a bunch of big banks. | Jun 30 21:51 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Not really so much a me problem now. | Jun 30 21:52 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I packed that bankruptcy with every cent I've ever owed anyone all the way back to 2001. | Jun 30 21:53 |
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| MinceR | i doubt it's that much of a problem for the banks | Jun 30 21:53 |
| MinceR | it's barely a blip on their radar | Jun 30 21:53 |
| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz: The Coronavirus isn't that bad. | Jun 30 21:53 |
| MinceR | and if they're not totally incompetent, they've hedged it | Jun 30 21:53 |
| DaemonFC[m] | MinceR: Individually, sure. | Jun 30 21:53 |
| DaemonFC[m] | But it comes at a time when the Collapse-o-Virus has everyone else doing it too. | Jun 30 21:53 |
| MinceR | you don't get to take credit for all of it :> | Jun 30 21:54 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The hedge is that the CEO already got his money. Byeeeeee. | Jun 30 21:54 |
| DaemonFC[m] | You don't get how America works, I guess. | Jun 30 21:54 |
| MinceR | that's the CEO's hedge | Jun 30 21:54 |
| MinceR | independent from the bank's :> | Jun 30 21:54 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It's the same thing, really. | Jun 30 21:54 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Ask Mozilla. | Jun 30 21:54 |
| DaemonFC[m] | CEOs make more money destroying companies than running them well, so guess what. | Jun 30 21:55 |
| DaemonFC[m] | MinceR: Walmart in the US was going off the rails and so they had a shareholder revolt and ended up installing the guy that was running their operation in Mexico. | Jun 30 21:56 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Their shareholders and Board absolutely will punish incompetence before it gets totally out of hand. | Jun 30 21:56 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Mozilla is totally Mitchell Baker at this point. | Jun 30 21:56 |
| MinceR | and if it all collapses on the banks, they'll just get bailed out | Jun 30 21:57 |
| DaemonFC[m] | MinceR: Banks that get big and keep succeeding tend to diversify where possible, but now everything has gone to shit. | Jun 30 21:57 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Normally, you hedge by holding assets in multiple markets figuring they won't all get destroyed at once. | Jun 30 21:57 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Pretty much. | Jun 30 21:58 |
| DaemonFC[m] | We might get TARP 2.0 right before the election, or immediately after it. | Jun 30 21:58 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It's coming. They'll just calculate the political fallout before they decide when. | Jun 30 21:58 |
| schestowitz | sounds like many new jobs in Illinois | Jun 30 21:59 |
| schestowitz | processing bankrupcy paper | Jun 30 21:59 |
| schestowitz | hiring now | Jun 30 21:59 |
| schestowitz | put in your job application | Jun 30 21:59 |
| schestowitz | get more people on 'the dole' | Jun 30 21:59 |
| DaemonFC[m] | LMAO | Jun 30 21:59 |
| schestowitz | can become world leader | Jun 30 21:59 |
| schestowitz | in the "BANKRUPTCY INDUSTRY"(R) | Jun 30 21:59 |
| schestowitz | there | Jun 30 21:59 |
| schestowitz | job creators for you | Jun 30 22:00 |
| schestowitz | lawyers, federal workers | Jun 30 22:00 |
| schestowitz | stamping away bankruptcies | Jun 30 22:00 |
| schestowitz | so many "clients" | Jun 30 22:00 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Bankruptcy filings as a denial of service attack. | Jun 30 22:00 |
| schestowitz | I mean, broke families | Jun 30 22:00 |
| DaemonFC[m] | There's going to be so many that it'll turn the courts into a chop shop for companies that could have turned around. | Jun 30 22:00 |
| schestowitz | +30,532 | Jun 30 22:01 |
| schestowitz | they add in 20 mins what UK added in a DAY | Jun 30 22:01 |
| schestowitz | and in the UK we test more per capita than US | Jun 30 22:01 |
| schestowitz | by about 30,000 more per million | Jun 30 22:01 |
| DaemonFC[m] | https://www.foxbusiness.com/markets/pizza-hut-wendys-franchisee-expected-to-file-for-bankruptcy | Jun 30 22:03 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.foxbusiness.com | Pizza Hut, Wendy's franchisee expected to file for bankruptcy | Fox Business | Jun 30 22:03 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | SPLAT! | Jun 30 22:03 |
| schestowitz | good | Jun 30 22:04 |
| MinceR | so, Taco Bell will win after all? | Jun 30 22:06 |
| DaemonFC[m] | MinceR: Taco Bell and Northern Ireland | Jun 30 22:07 |
| MinceR | :> | Jun 30 22:07 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Hey, you have to respect the IRA. | Jun 30 22:07 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Shooting down a very expensive British Army helicopter with a can of Spaghetti-Os.... | Jun 30 22:07 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The British decided to get out before the IRA discovered what you could do with some PVC, a can of Aqua Net hairspray, and a potato, I guess. | Jun 30 22:09 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Guns don't kill people! Potato cannons kill people! Blimey! | Jun 30 22:10 |
| DaemonFC[m] | This spuds for you.... | Jun 30 22:11 |
| MinceR | "Guns don't kill people, I do!" | Jun 30 22:14 |
| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz: You know things are getting depressing when the animatronic mouse that was at every kids birthday ever ends up in bankruptcy court. | Jun 30 22:17 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Trevor Noah was laughing because Chuck E. Cheese's attempt at tricking adults to order their pizza on Grubhub as "Pasqualy's Pizza & Wings" was found out quickly. | Jun 30 22:19 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: doodoo | Jun 30 22:19 |
| schestowitz | +32,769 | Jun 30 22:19 |
| schestowitz | US does in 2 hours or so what EU does in a whole day | Jun 30 22:19 |
| schestowitz | "Stop touching everything!" | Jun 30 22:19 |
| schestowitz | "wear a f-ing mask!" | Jun 30 22:20 |
| schestowitz | 1,457,599 active cases | Jun 30 22:20 |
| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz: No, I want it to get higher. | Jun 30 22:20 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The more the better. | Jun 30 22:20 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Everyone will get it eventually anyway. | Jun 30 22:20 |
| DaemonFC[m] | We have so many anti-vaccine cranks in the US that Fauci was saying the vaccine would never get us to herd immunity. | Jun 30 22:21 |
| MinceR | schestowitz: voodoo | Jun 30 22:21 |
| schestowitz | At 1,457,599 active cases, US will soon have more #covid19 patients than prisoners (which says a lot considering how many US citizens are incarcerated) | Jun 30 22:21 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I want to go outside. Also, if it continues to erode Trump's base and ruin the economy, good. | Jun 30 22:21 |
| DaemonFC[m] | There is no "economy" for most people to enjoy anymore. You do labor and it all gets lost with your employer and the landlord and you don't get to have anything. | Jun 30 22:22 |
| DaemonFC[m] | That's how most people live. | Jun 30 22:22 |
| schestowitz | well, it's getting more risky to leave now | Jun 30 22:22 |
| schestowitz | esp. in some states | Jun 30 22:22 |
| schestowitz | as the ratio of infected balloons | Jun 30 22:22 |
| schestowitz | every state can wind up like NYS with mass graves | Jun 30 22:22 |
| schestowitz | because we still don't have any cures for it | Jun 30 22:22 |
| schestowitz | and ventilators were hoarded | Jun 30 22:22 |
| schestowitz | (I don't trust # of deaths BTW) | Jun 30 22:23 |
| schestowitz | leave that to historians | Jun 30 22:23 |
| schestowitz | they can study the patterns, then extrapolate based on contents of death certificates | Jun 30 22:23 |
| schestowitz | going backwards | Jun 30 22:23 |
| schestowitz | ocr may do | Jun 30 22:23 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The older folks have internalized their own guilt. | Jun 30 22:24 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They know they've treated younger generations badly and now they're being proactively defensive in blaming young people for carelessly spreading the virus. | Jun 30 22:25 |
| DaemonFC[m] | That's what comes from constant paranoia. | Jun 30 22:26 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They're assuming that young people are so angry at living in poverty for so long that they no longer care what happens to older people. | Jun 30 22:26 |
| DaemonFC[m] | There's some truth to that. | Jun 30 22:26 |
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| schestowitz | +34,732 | Jun 30 22:54 |
| schestowitz | over 600 deaths | Jun 30 22:54 |
| schestowitz | 1200+ dead in brazil | Jun 30 22:54 |
| schestowitz | almost 60k total | Jun 30 22:54 |
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| schestowitz | +36,545 | Jun 30 23:10 |
| schestowitz | it'll be over 40k again for sure | Jun 30 23:10 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | Oh well. | Jun 30 23:14 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EYoBrhlTX1Q | Jun 30 23:33 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-YouTube | Jun 30 23:33 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | I have to take a sin away for the Compiz Desktop Cube. | Jun 30 23:34 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | The Everything Wrong With series goes too far sometimes. Why would the T-1000 throw the T-800 through a window and then walk away? | Jun 30 23:53 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Uhm, because the primary target was fleeing and it didn't have time to continue the fight with the T-800. Plus, it was a superior model, so even if the T-800 caught up to it, it could just destroy it later. (In fact, it nearly did later.) | Jun 30 23:54 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I always thought that the biggest Cinema Sin with T-2 was the fact that they just happen to be fleeing in terror from the T-1000 and happen to come across a truck carrying liquid nitrogen to freeze it with and then an ironworks with a smelting vat to melt it. | Jun 30 23:56 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | It's an action movie. Don't think about it. B-) | Jun 30 23:56 |
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