●● IRC: #techrights @ Techrights IRC Network: Friday, September 30, 2022 ●● ● Sep 30 [00:00] TR News (NEW): Games: Godot, Steam Deck, and End of Stadia http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/29/Games_Godot_Steam_Deck_and_End_of_Stadia.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/29/Games_Godot_Steam_Deck_and_End_of_Stadia.gmi [00:00] TR Bot Tux Machines Games: Godot, Steam Deck, and End of Stadia [00:00] DaemonFC https://www.npr.org/2022/09/29/1125923528/biden-student-loans-debt-cancellation-ffel-perkins [00:00] TR Bot The Biden administration just changed the rules for student loan forgiveness : NPR [00:01] DaemonFC schestowitz[TR], Dad was onto something. [00:01] DaemonFC When he said there's not a politician in Washington who will tell you something and feel bound by that tomorrow. [00:01] schestowitz[TR] "dad" got banned by FB [00:01] schestowitz[TR] for saying he wished Sleepy was dead [00:01] DaemonFC Biden just excluded 800,000 people from "forgiveness" of student loans. [00:01] DaemonFC He's not banned. [00:01] highest_cubist_thrills the dwarf? [00:01] *horseface has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [00:02] DaemonFC They got rid of him for 72 hours once after I reported him for something. [00:02] DaemonFC Then he's back and just moderating himself barely enough to keep from getting another one. [00:02] *psymin has quit (Quit: Leaving) [00:02] *psymin has quit (Quit: Leaving) [00:03] DaemonFC But yeah, the US is as bad as China. When you have to stop referring to the President by name and start calling him by some code word, and then update the code word as they get wise to it. [00:03] MinceR 30 005848 < DaemonFC> The language the driver is written in is an aside when you consider that nobody in charge of the kernel is willing to put their foot down and say "NO!" "You WILL fix this.". [00:03] highest_cubist_thrills when fb said all lives matter, they really meant it i guess [00:03] TR News Red Hat Inc.: corporation. Red Hat under ICBM: snakes. [00:03] TR News What are the differences between absolute and relative paths? | Enable Sysadmin https://www.redhat.com/sysadmin/linux-path-absolute-relative Source: Red Hat Official | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//www.redhat.com/sysadmin/linux-path-absolute-relative [00:03] TR Bot What are the differences between absolute and relative paths? | Enable Sysadmin [00:03] MinceR the hype-V drivers are also a pretty good example of this [00:03] MinceR and they happen to come from a corporation in control of rust [00:04] highest_cubist_thrills /me decides whether to trust software engineers on hardware matters [00:04] highest_cubist_thrills im not saying its impossible, only tenuous [00:04] highest_cubist_thrills "never trust a programmer with a screwdriver" [00:04] MinceR do you trust them on software matters? :> [00:04] highest_cubist_thrills what, generally speaking? [00:04] highest_cubist_thrills fuck no [00:05] highest_cubist_thrills :> [00:05] highest_cubist_thrills you dont either [00:05] MinceR if you trust anyone, i have a mission for you to retrieve a sacred chalice from an Order facility :> [00:05] highest_cubist_thrills im good, still trying to find a delicious cake [00:05] TR News "The Chrome beta post will now be posted to the Chrome Developers site. Find the release notes for Chrome Beta 107 here." https://blog.chromium.org/2022/09/chrome-107-beta.html [00:05] TR Bot Chromium Blog: Chrome 107 Beta [00:06] TR News Excellent Free Tutorials to Learn GDScript - LinuxLinks https://www.linuxlinks.com/excellent-free-tutorials-learn-gdscript/ Source: Linux Links | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//www.linuxlinks.com/excellent-free-tutorials-learn-gdscript/ [00:06] TR Bot Free Tutorials to Learn GDScript - LinuxLinks [00:06] highest_cubist_thrills join us today so we can bake for your freedom! [00:06] highest_cubist_thrills ibm: join us today so we can bake... um, nothing [00:06] DaemonFC "It's unclear why the department reversed its decision on allowing FFEL borrowers with commercially-held loans to consolidate and then qualify for debt relief." [00:06] TR News (NEW): Red Hat / IBM Leftovers http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/29/Red_Hat_IBM_Leftovers.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/29/Red_Hat_IBM_Leftovers.gmi [00:06] TR Bot Tux Machines Red Hat / IBM Leftovers [00:07] DaemonFC Because it wants to avoid being sued by the student loan companies. [00:07] highest_cubist_thrills ibm: cant be trusted with ovens, or computers [00:07] DaemonFC If the government pays them off in one lump, then the student loan companies can sue claiming the harm is that most borrowers couldn't do that, and now they won't make as much in interest. [00:07] starstreak the world would be a different place if ibm was successful with OS/2 [00:08] highest_cubist_thrills instead, microsoft was successful with it [00:08] DaemonFC And if the federal government paid them off with interest expected, then it's not forgiving a current debt, it's a spending program, and they get sued. [00:08] highest_cubist_thrills but theyre an avatar of ibm anyway [00:08] MinceR highest_cubist_thrills: https://doom.fandom.com/wiki/Harris [00:08] TR Bot Harris | Doom Wiki | Fandom [00:09] highest_cubist_thrills kamala? [00:09] *horseface (~horseface@9ucczhkmm895g.irc) has joined #techrights [00:09] highest_cubist_thrills /me thinks they should remake doom with nothing but fake liberals [00:09] TR News "XDA Phone" F(x)tec Pro1X... Is a Massive Disappointment https://www.makeuseof.com/fxtec-pro1-xda-phone-review/ it looks like they promote MICROSOFT (DuckDuckGo) http://techrights.org/wiki/DuckDuckGo [00:09] TR Bot "XDA Phone" F(x)tec Pro1X... Is a Massive Disappointment [00:09] TR Bot DuckDuckGo - Techrights [00:09] highest_cubist_thrills /me imagines bernie running around with a bfg [00:09] MinceR no [00:10] highest_cubist_thrills "nice mittens" [00:10] MinceR also, it's not Doom, it's Strife [00:10] highest_cubist_thrills "yeah, nice gun." [00:10] highest_cubist_thrills ahh, ok [00:10] starstreak guns are awesome [00:10] highest_cubist_thrills :) [00:10] starstreak if you go far enough left you get your guns back [00:10] TR News Digitize your collection of 35mm slides | Arduino Blog https://blog.arduino.cc/2022/09/29/digitize-your-collection-of-35mm-slides/ Source: Arduino | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//blog.arduino.cc/2022/09/29/digitize-your-collection-of-35mm-slides/ [00:10] TR Bot Digitize your collection of 35mm slides | Arduino Blog [00:11] highest_cubist_thrills lol [00:11] highest_cubist_thrills thats how we know the left hasnt gone far enough [00:11] starstreak that's because a lot of people are dirty centrists [00:11] *horseface has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [00:11] TR News Rust, Apple, GNOME, systemd, Wayland, GitHub other garbage... this isn't the GNU/Linux you want. https://www.phoronix.com/news/Apple-DRM-GNOME-And-Apps [00:11] TR Bot M1 Linux GPU DRM Driver Now Running GNOME, Various Apps - Phoronix [00:11] highest_cubist_thrills yes but i like contrapoints anyway [00:12] highest_cubist_thrills i mean, in general theyre disgusting [00:12] starstreak I think all political spectrums should team up to wipe out the centrists [00:12] highest_cubist_thrills down with centrists! [00:12] TR News "Science fiction has a longstanding love-hate relationship with the tech tycoon. The literature is full of billionaire inventors, sometimes painted as system-bucking heroes, at other times as megalomanical supervillains." https://locusmag.com/2022/03/cory-doctorow-vertically-challenged/ [00:12] TR Bot Cory Doctorow: Vertically Challenged Locus Online [00:12] TR News Six million silenced: A two-year internet outage in Ethiopia https://www.reuters.com/article/ethiopia-internet-shutdown-idAFL8N2ZM09X [00:12] TR Bot million silenced: A two-year internet outage in Ethiopia | Reuters [00:13] highest_cubist_thrills I think all political spectrums should team up <- /me ignores that this is what centrism is all about tbh [00:13] *DaemonFC has quit (Quit: Leaving) [00:13] TR News In Myanmars rebel strongholds, internet can mean life or death https://jp.reuters.com/article/myanmar-internet-shutdown-idUSL8N3012DE usually being ON the Internet endangers people MORE [00:13] TR Bot FEATURE-In Myanmar's rebel strongholds, internet can mean life or death | [00:14] starstreak highest_cubist_thrills, thats the joke! [00:14] highest_cubist_thrills it almost went over my head [00:14] starstreak I was quoting Greg Guevara, the dude with autizmophrenia [00:14] TR News If you do not control the Internet, then the true controllers of the Internet are controlling YOU [00:15] highest_cubist_thrills he said that? he sounds like vermin supreme [00:15] starstreak :) [00:15] *DaemonFC (~daemonfc@b3cwzqcm48q78.irc) has joined #techrights [00:15] starstreak he even setup his website on angelfire - http://greg.guevara.angelfire.com/ [00:15] TR Bot Home [00:15] highest_cubist_thrills rofl [00:16] TR News Webspam. Spamnil style... https://venturebeat.com/ai/arize-ai-brings-ml-observability-to-google-marketplace/ [00:16] TR Bot AI aims to bring ML observability to Google Cloud Marketplace | VentureBeat [00:19] TR News How MLops deployment can be easier with open-source versioning | VentureBeat https://venturebeat.com/ai/how-mlops-deployment-can-be-easier-with-open-source-versioning/ Source: Venture Beat | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//venturebeat.com/ai/how-mlops-deployment-can-be-easier-with-open-source-versioning/ [00:19] TR Bot MLops deployment can be easier with open-source versioning | VentureBeat [00:20] IPFS () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-29.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-30.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi [00:20] TR News Out-of-bounds Read https://www.cisa.gov/uscert/ics/advisories/icsa-21-182-03 [00:20] TR Bot Delta Electronics DOPSoft (Update B) | CISA [00:20] TR News Automatically ban ports scanner IPs on NixOS gemini://perso.pw/blog/articles/iblock-implemented-in-nixos.gmi [00:20] starstreak highest_cubist_thrills, WHY ARE YOU RUNNING? [00:20] starstreak I am severely mentally ill. [00:21] highest_cubist_thrills it would take a crazy person [00:21] highest_cubist_thrills yes, thats the joke [00:21] TR News "We often write about business card or credit card-sized boards, but its only true for 2D dimensions, as most boards are over a centimeter thick, with possibly the thinnest weve covered being the Khadas Edge2 SBC thats just 7mm thick." https://www.cnx-software.com/2022/09/29/ello-lc1-credit-card-8-bit-diy-computer-2mm-thin/ [00:21] TR Bot ELLO LC1 - A 2mm thin DIY "computer" based on Microchip PIC18 8-bit MCU - CNX Software [00:21] TR News KDE neon 20220929 is out today https://neon.kde.org/ [00:21] TR Bot KDE neon [00:22] starstreak yay kde neon! [00:22] MinceR starstreak: is your refrigerator running? [00:22] MinceR ew, kde neon [00:22] schestowitz[TR] I am severely mentally ill. [00:22] schestowitz[TR] running Windows 3.11 is not a mental illness [00:22] starstreak MinceR, yes! [00:23] MinceR starstreak: better catch it, then! [00:23] starstreak MinceR, oh noes! i just got butt-slammed [00:23] highest_cubist_thrills ew, kde neon <- ew, kde [00:23] MinceR + [00:23] starstreak Roy uses KDE Neon [00:23] highest_cubist_thrills btw [00:24] MinceR that's his problem [00:24] starstreak yeah it is, i wouldn't want to use something based on ubuntu lts [00:24] highest_cubist_thrills :D [00:24] highest_cubist_thrills kde neon is a fork of ubuntu? that explains a lot [00:25] starstreak KDE Neon is Ubuntu LTS with a repo for the latest version of KDE [00:25] TR News (UPDATED): ExTiX 22.9 KDE Plasma together with Anbox ('Android in a Box' with Google Play Store pre-installed) :: Build 220922 (UPDATED) http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/22/ExTiX_22_9_KDE_Plasma_together_with_Anbox_Android_in_a_Box_with.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/22/ExTiX_22_9_KDE_Plasma_together_with_Anbox_Android_in_a_Box_with. [00:25] TR Bot Tux Machines ExTiX 22.9 KDE Plasma together with Anbox ('Android in a Box' with Google Play Store pre-installed) :: Build 220922 (UPDATED) [00:25] highest_cubist_thrills /me didnt think roy had any kinks like that but [00:25] starstreak other than KDE Neon, Roy also uses Debian [00:25] highest_cubist_thrills but its always the ones you never suspect [00:25] starstreak LOL [00:26] highest_cubist_thrills Roy also uses Debian <- no, debian uses him [00:26] DaemonFC The Canadians wouldn't have a sense of national pride if they had to sing about what really happened. [00:26] highest_cubist_thrills roy is really the victim here [00:26] DaemonFC O' Canada! We stole our "native" land! And built our schools on top of their children's dead bodies, which we put in a mass grave, and then told others they can't live here! [00:27] DaemonFC Oh, and here's a guy who smokes crack. We put him in charge of an entire province because it's Canada and nobody noticed. [00:27] highest_cubist_thrills i used to run debian [00:27] MinceR nobody should have a sense of national pride [00:27] MinceR there shouldn't be nations [00:28] highest_cubist_thrills i kept repeating the safeword but systemd didnt care [00:28] highest_cubist_thrills there shouldn't be nations <- more or less agree [00:28] DaemonFC Hey, you know they're always quoting that part of the bible at military funerals. [00:28] MinceR people shouldn't gang up to kill other gangs for the sake of unworthy leaders [00:28] highest_cubist_thrills but lets start with hungary and russia [00:28] MinceR yeah [00:28] MinceR and poland and belarus [00:28] highest_cubist_thrills sure why not [00:28] MinceR and red china [00:28] highest_cubist_thrills and france and germany [00:28] MinceR and north korea [00:28] TR News Zemlin the COVIDiot is trying to make money from corporate ticket fares https://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/cassandra-summit-returns-in-2023-301637129.html [00:28] TR Bot Cassandra Summit Returns in 2023 [00:28] highest_cubist_thrills /me blames canada for all of them [00:28] DaemonFC About the day when nations don't declare war on each other and people beat their swords into ploughshares. and such. [00:28] MinceR i see you've been watching south park [00:29] highest_cubist_thrills i AM south park! [00:29] DaemonFC It's amazing how they have that at military funerals. [00:29] TR News Three conferences for the price of none! https://www.collabora.com/news-and-blog/news-and-events/three-conferences-for-the-price-of-none.html Source: Collabora | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//www.collabora.com/news-and-blog/news-and-events/three-conferences-for-the-price-of-none.html [00:29] TR Bot Three conferences for the price of none! [00:29] DaemonFC Like, how did he die? [00:29] MinceR hm [00:29] MinceR so cartman is inside you? [00:29] DaemonFC Oh, we declared war on someone else and they killed a few of ours. [00:29] highest_cubist_thrills /me thinks theres a bit of cartman inside of everyone really [00:29] DaemonFC Now we're quoting the anti-war part of the bible for the lulz. [00:29] MinceR lol [00:30] DaemonFC Meanwhile, the US has something even worse than state TV. All of the anti-war journalists were rounded up and fired 20 years ago. [00:30] DaemonFC And they haven't brought any back since then. [00:30] highest_cubist_thrills and of course satan https://yewtu.be/watch?v=hv_zJrO_ptk [00:30] TR Bot INXS - Devil Inside (Official Music Video) - Invidious [00:30] highest_cubist_thrills but worst of all, mrs. brovlovski [00:30] DaemonFC So it's propaganda from Wall Street and propaganda from the government, mixed in with advertising about Taco Bell's meatless steak. [00:30] MinceR Blessed be the LORD my strength which teacheth my hands to war, and my fingers to fight. [00:30] MinceR Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword. [00:31] highest_cubist_thrills idle hands are the devils bdsm dungeon [00:31] DaemonFC mjg59_ wants a day where everyone is trapped on Windows, and can only use the Windows store, and Microsoft won't allow alternatives to the Web into the store. [00:31] DaemonFC And then you can't read about people like me who are sick of the bullshit on the "news". [00:31] MinceR Happy shall he be, that taketh and dasheth thy little ones against the stones. [00:31] highest_cubist_thrills "Blessed be the LORD my strength which teacheth my hands to war, and my fingers to fight." <- pulp fiction? [00:31] MinceR bible [00:32] MinceR https://skepticsannotatedbible.com/ps/144.html#1 [00:32] TR Bot SAB: Psalm 144 [00:32] TR News LibreOffice Conference 2022: Day 1 https://blog.documentfoundation.org/blog/2022/09/29/libreoffice-conference-2022-day-1/ [00:32] TR Bot LibreOffice Conference 2022: Day 1 - The Document Foundation Blog [00:32] TR News My Thoughts About Linux Today - DT LIVE! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ac_P5y8wLfo [00:32] TR Bot https://invidious.snopyta.org/watch?v=ac_P5y8wLfo [00:32] TR Bot invidious.snopyta.org | My Thoughts About Linux Today - DT LIVE! - Invidious [00:32] highest_cubist_thrills /me is sure the egyptian original is better anyway [00:32] DaemonFC It's probably harder for mjg59_ to run and promote denial of service attacks on Gemini. Usually if that's all you're running, you don't need something like ClownFlare DDoS Protection. [00:33] DaemonFC Because most of your attackers on the Web just find some really large files and start downloading them over and over again until nobody can reach your site. [00:33] schestowitz[TR] he violates the CoC [00:33] schestowitz[TR] against clownflare staff [00:33] schestowitz[TR] but it's OOKK [00:33] DaemonFC So you get Clownflare, and then mjg59_ petitions them to remove your hosting. [00:33] highest_cubist_thrills jewish mysticism teaches you that everyone is holding the bible wrong anyway [00:33] schestowitz[TR] he's exempt [00:33] schestowitz[TR] he's a trans minority [00:33] schestowitz[TR] irish man [00:34] DaemonFC He's going to pull a decent Sinead O'Connor if he keeps losing hair like this in a few years. [00:34] schestowitz[TR] irish men are exempt from CoC enforcement [00:34] schestowitz[TR] they've suffered enough [00:34] DaemonFC His whatever has no CoC. [00:34] DaemonFC So he's fine. [00:34] highest_cubist_thrills "but we dont want the irish!"-- blazing saddles [00:35] highest_cubist_thrills i never knew that line until a woman from mjg-land taught it to me [00:35] highest_cubist_thrills /me has seen that part of the movie now [00:35] DaemonFC I'm glad I have a dick. Not so much for the having a dick part as the rest of being a man, you know. As much as society likes to kick us down using its vile courts and police and stuff, there are advantages. [00:35] schestowitz[TR] he is like white people who think they are black because they listent o rap [00:36] highest_cubist_thrills "lots of planets have a north"-- doctor who [00:36] schestowitz[TR] listen to [00:36] DaemonFC Less personal items to buy. No worries about someone getting you pregnant. [00:36] TR News Living in the stone age: Offline for 18 months in Indian Kashmir https://www.reuters.com/article/india-internet-shutdown-idINL8N2YZ245 [00:36] TR Bot in the stone age': Offline for 18 months in Indian Kashmir | Reuters [00:36] highest_cubist_thrills https://yewtu.be/watch?v=pHCdS7O248g [00:36] TR Bot Blondie - Rapture (Official Music Video) - Invidious [00:36] TR News (NEW): Pandora Radio Client Pithos 1.6.0 Now Uses CSD Header bar [Ubuntu PPA] http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/29/Pandora_Radio_Client_Pithos_1_6_0_Now_Uses_CSD_Header_bar_Ubunt.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/29/Pandora_Radio_Client_Pithos_1_6_0_Now_Uses_CSD_Header_bar_Ubunt.gmi [00:36] TR Bot Tux Machines Pandora Radio Client Pithos 1.6.0 Now Uses CSD Header bar [Ubuntu PPA] [00:37] TR News Enforce CRD Immutability with CEL Transition Rules https://kubernetes.io/blog/2022/09/29/enforce-immutability-using-cel/ [00:37] TR Bot Enforce CRD Immutability with CEL Transition Rules | Kubernetes [00:37] DaemonFC I'm going to take a drive down to Chicago tomorrow. Mandy wants to go to Jollibee and it's a good excuse I guess to really drive the car and make sure the ABS isn't going to go nuts again. [00:38] DaemonFC The old module wasn't kind enough to just go ahead and fail completely and set a code about why it failed. [00:38] DaemonFC Oh no, why would anything around me be THAT nice? [00:38] TR News CentOS Hyperscale SIG conference recap - Blog.CentOS.org https://blog.centos.org/2022/09/centos-hyperscale-sig-conference-recap/ Source: CentOS | this distro is dying, ICBM is nuking it [00:38] TR Bot Hyperscale SIG conference recap Blog.CentOS.org [00:38] starstreak highest_cubist_thrills, how dare you link a song from blondie without also including https://youtu.be/WGU_4-5RaxU [00:38] TR Bot https://invidious.osi.kr/watch?v=WGU_4-5RaxU [00:38] TR Bot ( status 502 @ https://invidious.osi.kr/watch?v=WGU_4-5RaxU ) [00:38] highest_cubist_thrills https://yewtu.be/watch?v=4B_UYYPb-Gk [00:39] TR Bot RUN DMC - Walk This Way (Official HD Video) ft. Aerosmith - Invidious [00:39] DaemonFC Everything has to fuck with you to make you think you're going crazy first. [00:39] TR News ICBM is pushing super-expensive stuff while killing CentOS https://www.theregister.com/2022/09/29/ibm_red_hat_linux/ [00:39] TR Bot IBM and Red Hat have some new Linux goodies The Register [00:39] DaemonFC Spend a lot of money fixing problems that for this issue turned out to be a red herring. [00:39] highest_cubist_thrills https://youtu.be/WGU_4-5RaxU <- good song [00:40] DaemonFC Like, I noticed the ABS was acting up, so I had them look at the wheel hub. Then I find out the bearing isn't turning like it should, so I fix that and it has no effect on the ABS. [00:40] TR News Intel Comet Lake 10th Gen processor = energy waste, very expensive, and back doors https://linuxgizmos.com/comet-lake-based-pc-available-in-barebone-and-customizable-models/ [00:40] TR Bot ( status 520 @ https://linuxgizmos.com/comet-lake-based-pc-available-in-barebone-and-customizable-models/ ) [00:40] DaemonFC Then I noticed the car needed a brake job, and figured the brakes might be tripping the system out. (The car was pulling to the left when I hit the pedal.) New brakes fixed the pulling, but not the ABS. [00:41] DaemonFC Sitting around a lot is worse for a car as driving it. [00:41] highest_cubist_thrills but rapture had blondie rapping about grandmaster flash [00:41] DaemonFC Because you know, nothing's running. Things gunk up, grease sits there and hardens. Rubber rots. [00:41] highest_cubist_thrills because she saw him playing and said "im going to do a song about you" [00:41] DaemonFC Oil congeals and separates and turns into a wax. [00:42] DaemonFC Then you go to turn the car on and.....nothing. [00:42] highest_cubist_thrills granted i dont think much of her rapping, but it certainly was a step on the road to hip hop becoming mainstream [00:43] highest_cubist_thrills maybe 10 years before it really did [00:43] TR News Container Journal still gives platform to horrible liar and Microsoft mole Alan Shimel. His OWN site appears to have nearly collapsed. http://techrights.org/2019/09/09/attacking-foss-by-proxy/ [00:43] TR Bot Security Boulevard is a Microsoft-Connected Attack Site Created by a Free Software-Hostile Person | Techrights [00:43] TR News (NEW): Server: IBM, CentOS, Kubernetes, and More http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/29/Server_IBM_CentOS_Kubernetes_and_More.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/29/Server_IBM_CentOS_Kubernetes_and_More.gmi [00:43] TR Bot Tux Machines Server: IBM, CentOS, Kubernetes, and More [00:44] TR News FCC Votes To Give Disabled Incarcerated People Access to Specialized Communications Services - Public Knowledge https://publicknowledge.org/fcc-votes-to-give-disabled-incarcerated-people-access-to-specialized-communications-services/ Source: Public Knowledge [00:44] TR Bot FCC Votes To Give Disabled Incarcerated People Access to Specialized Communications Services - Public Knowledge [00:45] highest_cubist_thrills then again the 70s were like that. everything was becoming gay and black, and by the late 70s a backlash had already started [00:45] TR News Public Knowledge Applauds House for Passing Bill Increasing Funding for Antitrust Enforcement - Public Knowledge https://publicknowledge.org/public-knowledge-applauds-house-for-passing-bill-increasing-funding-for-antitrust-enforcement/ while at the same time Public Knowledge allowed into its board someone from Microsoft!! The worst of the worst. [00:45] TR Bot Public Knowledge Applauds House for Passing Bill Increasing Funding for Antitrust Enforcement - Public Knowledge [00:47] highest_cubist_thrills https://yewtu.be/watch?v=xT6IuqoMIgg [00:47] TR Bot Undercover Brother - Dance Scene - Invidious [00:48] MinceR https://pleated-jeans.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/08/funny-pictures-8-1-22-4.jpg [00:48] highest_cubist_thrills https://yewtu.be/watch?v=znlFu_lemsU [00:48] TR Bot Mary J. Blige - Family Affair (Official Music Video) - Invidious [00:49] TR News (NEW): Programming Leftovers http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/29/Programming_Leftovers.1.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/29/Programming_Leftovers.1.gmi [00:49] TR Bot Tux Machines Programming Leftovers [00:52] highest_cubist_thrills /me cant be black because jews have no rhythm [00:52] highest_cubist_thrills however theres clearly a threshold, because i think craig david is jewish [00:53] highest_cubist_thrills https://yewtu.be/watch?v=P5lmb5-tnM0 [00:53] TR Bot Craig David - 7 Days (Official Video) - Invidious [00:53] MinceR seven days and one week [00:54] TR News Links 29/09/2022: Avidemux 2.8.1 and Pithos 1.6.0 | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/09/29/avidemux-2-8-1/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/09/29/avidemux-2-8-1/ [00:54] TR Bot Links 29/09/2022: Avidemux 2.8.1 and Pithos 1.6.0 | Techrights [00:55] *horseface (~horseface@9ucczhkmm895g.irc) has joined #techrights [00:55] highest_cubist_thrills https://yewtu.be/watch?v=fC_q9KPczAg [00:55] TR Bot Barenaked Ladies - One Week (Official Music Video) - Invidious [00:55] starstreak Great song! [00:56] TR News (NEW): Devices With GNU/Linux and Arduino http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/29/Devices_With_GNU_Linux_and_Arduino.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/29/Devices_With_GNU_Linux_and_Arduino.gmi [00:56] TR Bot Tux Machines Devices With GNU/Linux and Arduino [00:56] TR News (NEW): Free Software Events and More http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/29/Free_Software_Events_and_More.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/29/Free_Software_Events_and_More.gmi [00:56] TR Bot Tux Machines Free Software Events and More [00:56] highest_cubist_thrills :) [00:59] IPFS IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 19.00 k/sec., IPFS upstream 98.56 average k/sec., average swarm size 147.01 ● Sep 30 [01:20] IPFS () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-29.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-30.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi [01:21] DaemonFC https://github.com/libretro/bsnes-mercury [01:21] TR Bot - libretro/bsnes-mercury: Fork of bsnes with various performance improvements. [01:21] DaemonFC It's nice that someone forked this. [01:22] DaemonFC higan died shortly after byuu re-released it under the MIT license instead of the GPL. [01:22] *starstreak has quit (connection closed) [01:22] *starstreak (~starstreak@muarsy2vret2q.irc) has joined #techrights [01:26] DaemonFC mercury is still using GPL 3. [01:28] DaemonFC BSD people when the GPL wraps their license and they could use that code under the GPL: This is absolutely unacceptable! You got that code with the permission to use it however you wanted to! How dare you apply copyleft to it! [01:28] DaemonFC BSD people when Apple, Microsoft, and Sony run off with it and say "It's ours now and you can never have any of our code!": This is fine. [01:59] IPFS IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 19.91 k/sec., IPFS upstream 37.78 average k/sec., average swarm size 161.00 ● Sep 30 [02:20] IPFS () Planet Gemini updated. 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HTML: http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-techbytes-290922.html TEXT: http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-techbytes-290922.txt GEMINI GemText: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/irc-gmi/irc-log-techbytes-290922.gmi GEMINI Plain Text: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/tr_text_version/irc-log-techbytes-290922.txt [02:44] TR Bot IRC: #techbytes @ Techrights IRC Network: Thursday, September 29, 2022 [02:47] TR News Yesterday's bulletin is now ready! : http://techrights.org/txt-archives/techrights-2022-09-29.txt | gemini://gemini.techrights.org/tr_text_version/techrights-2022-09-29.txt (tentative address, to work an hour from now) [02:47] highest_cubist_thrills thats crazy, man-- have you ever tried kde? [02:47] DaemonFC schestowitz[TR], Going back to people who reproduce saying people who don't are useless.... [02:48] DaemonFC People who reproduce often abandon their own children. Like, completely, or even abuse them. Violently, sexually, etc. [02:48] DaemonFC In comparison, some people adopt and take very good care of the kids they adopt, instead of adding to the problem. [02:48] DaemonFC Those kids that are not being adopted aren't having a very good life, and people would rather reproduce instead. [02:48] DaemonFC That makes THEM useless. [02:50] *liberty_box has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [02:50] *rianne has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [02:50] *rianne_ has quit (Ping timeout: 120 seconds) [02:51] DaemonFC You know, I mean, I got backhanded more than a few times by my parents when they said "We're your parents. You need to respect us." and I was basically like "I have to respect you because you're my parents? You want mindless respect, you should go get a dog.". [02:51] DaemonFC Oh it's in the bible, the bible says you have to respect us. It's one of the commandments. [02:52] DaemonFC "Dad, you hated your parents. They didn't feed you and your dad came home drunk all the time, having lost all his money at the bar, being pickpocketed of anything he had after he passed out. Mom, you were giving your parents all sorts of hell. They caught you smoking. Grandma walked in on you fucking Brian in their camper.". [02:52] DaemonFC "What do you mean it's in the bible? It was in the bible in the 1960s and 70s too, wasn't it?" [02:53] DaemonFC They didn't respect their parents. They have kids, suddenly they expect respect from their kids. Who's stupid here? [02:54] DaemonFC I could walk into this mess and keep the cycle going. End up in some sort of relationship with a woman that's as dysfunctional as all hell, have kids, start drinking, then demanding respect because it's in the bible. [02:54] DaemonFC But I'm not an idiot. [02:55] DaemonFC We live next to a Catholic church and there's always a lot of people going in and out of it. Weddings, funerals. [02:55] DaemonFC I cannot believe that in this day and age, anyone still believes in that shit. [02:56] DaemonFC They get in the car, they go home, the door's shut and locked and nobody knows what's going on in that house, right? [02:56] DaemonFC Well, maybe the priest knows some of it.....confession. [02:59] IPFS IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 46.43 k/sec., IPFS upstream 108.33 average k/sec., average swarm size 141.55 ● Sep 30 [03:02] IPFS Gemini requests since start of month: 214119 total Total number of pages in capsule: 42797 Active: active (running) since Thu 2022-08-04 09:15:14 BST; 1 months 26 days ago [03:03] *horseface has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [03:03] IPFS IPFS local node stats (bandwidth since last reset) calculated. TotalIn: 60 GB TotalOut: 16 GB [03:04] IPFS New daily bulletin is now being generated and assembled. [03:08] *starstreak has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [03:19] *starstreak (~starstreak@muarsy2vret2q.irc) has joined #techrights [03:20] IPFS () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-29.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-30.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi [03:25] *u-amarsh04 has quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!) 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Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-29.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-30.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi [04:32] AdmFubar https://www.salon.com/2022/09/29/writers-letter-library-e-book-digital-rights/ [04:32] TR Bot danger to democracy itself": Authors fight back against limiting libraries' digital rights | Salon.com [04:34] AdmFubar https://deadline.com/2022/09/authors-open-letter-publishers-lawsuit-internet-archive-1235129802/ [04:34] TR Bot Publish Letter Protesting Lawsuit Against Internet Library Deadline [04:35] AdmFubar https://news.slashdot.org/story/22/09/28/2335257/arm-founder-uk-has-no-chance-in-hell-of-making-its-own-tech-champs?utm_source=rss1.0mainlinkanon&utm_medium=feed [04:35] TR Bot ARM Founder: UK Has 'No Chance In Hell' of Making Its Own Tech Champs - Slashdot [04:36] AdmFubar DIE LITTLE BASTARDS DIE!!!! https://science.slashdot.org/story/22/09/28/2314247/scientists-create-ai-powered-laser-turret-that-kills-cockroaches [04:36] TR Bot Scientists Create AI-Powered Laser Turret That Kills Cockroaches - Slashdot [04:50] highest_cubist_thrills Bisonc++ is a parser generator like bison, but it generates C++ code [04:50] highest_cubist_thrills unlike bison, it is not a hostage of github [04:51] highest_cubist_thrills https://fbb-git.gitlab.io/bisoncpp/ [04:51] TR Bot Bisonc++ V 6.04.04 [04:59] IPFS IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 12.65 k/sec., IPFS upstream 143.76 average k/sec., average swarm size 140.76 ● Sep 30 [05:01] *eidolon (~eidolon@f6kehdj2447n8.irc) has joined #techrights [05:02] AdmFubar 'cause why would you want to do it for free on your own computer...? https://techcrunch.com/2022/09/29/google-colaboratory-launches-a-pay-as-you-go-option-premium-gpu-access/ [05:02] TR Bot Colaboratory launches a pay-as-you-go option, premium GPU access TechCrunch [05:04] highest_cubist_thrills Cyberduck is free software. Free software is a matter of the users freedom to run, copy, distribute, study, change, and improve the software. If you find this programm useful, please consider making a donation. A donation would not only demonstrate your appreciation of this software but also help to advance development in the future. You receive a registration key and it will help to make Cyberduck even better! [05:04] highest_cubist_thrills "You receive a registration key" [05:05] highest_cubist_thrills "As a contributor to Cyberduck, you receive a registration key that disables the donation prompt that is displayed when quitting Cyberduck." [05:05] highest_cubist_thrills /me sighs [05:06] highest_cubist_thrills oh they use github anyway [05:07] highest_cubist_thrills and it needs java. and apache maven. [05:07] highest_cubist_thrills (also java) [05:20] IPFS () Planet Gemini updated. 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Canonical attends the very first OpenSearchCon in Seattle | Ubuntu [06:15] TR News Ubuntu Studio 22.10 Beta Released - Ubuntu Studio https://ubuntustudio.org/2022/09/ubuntu-studio-22-10-beta-released/ Source: | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//ubuntustudio.org/2022/09/ubuntu-studio-22-10-beta-released/ [06:15] TR Bot Ubuntu Studio 22.10 Beta Released Ubuntu Studio [06:16] TR News Ubuntu Fridge | Ubuntu 22.10 (Kinetic Kudu) Final Beta released https://fridge.ubuntu.com/2022/09/30/ubuntu-22-10-kinetic-kudu-final-beta-released/ Source: | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//fridge.ubuntu.com/2022/09/30/ubuntu-22-10-kinetic-kudu-final-beta-released/ [06:16] TR Bot Ubuntu Fridge | Ubuntu 22.10 (Kinetic Kudu) Final Beta released [06:17] TR News "Hello and welcome to Episode 482 of Linux in the Ham Shack. In this episode, the hosts take an in-depth look at some common network utilities on the Linux command line to help you configure, monitor and troubleshoot your computers' network connections" https://lhspodcast.info/2022/09/lhs-episode-482-linux-network-utilities-deep-dive-2/ [06:18] TR Bot LHS Episode #482: Linux Network Utilities Deep Dive | Linux in the Ham Shack [06:18] TR News "I can do BASIC, and maybe even a little sh/bash script, but to become better, I need a tutor to correct my work, and in this short video I have a look at ShellCheck on FreeBSD!" https://yewtu.be/watch?v=a9BqDcSsuVI [06:18] TR Bot Become a FreeBSD Bash Script pro with ShellCheck! - Invidious [06:19] TR News SCP and SFTP, What Are The Differences? - Invidious https://yewtu.be/watch?v=M3HhNcl2dMA | Gemini address: gemini://auragem.space/youtube/video/M3HhNcl2dMA [06:19] TR Bot SCP and SFTP, What Are The Differences? - Invidious [06:20] IPFS () Planet Gemini updated. 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Here Are Top 7 Features [06:25] TR News (NEW): Ubuntu 22.10 (Kinetic Kudu) Beta Released with GNOME 43, Linux Kernel 5.19 http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/30/Ubuntu_22_10_Kinetic_Kudu_Beta_Released_with_GNOME_43.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/30/Ubuntu_22_10_Kinetic_Kudu_Beta_Released_with_GNOME_43.gmi [06:25] TR Bot Tux Machines Ubuntu 22.10 (Kinetic Kudu) Beta Released with GNOME 43, Linux Kernel 5.19 [06:31] DaemonFC https://www.fox32chicago.com/news/chicago-cop-faces-dismissal-for-having-sex-with-woman-hours-after-responding-to-her-burglary-call [06:31] TR Bot Chicago cop faces dismissal for having sex with woman hours after responding to her burglary call [06:31] DaemonFC Chicago police officer rapes crime victim and the best they may be able to do is fire him. [06:32] DaemonFC Democrat Shithole. [06:32] DaemonFC I call them the Civilian Office of Police Accessories. [06:32] TR News (NEW): Today's HowTos http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/30/today_s_howtos.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/30/today_s_howtos.gmi [06:32] TR Bot Tux Machines today's howtos [06:32] schestowitz[TR] DaemonFC: wrong channel? [06:33] TR News (NEW): Shows and Videos: File Transfer Protocols, FreeBSD, and Linux in the Ham Shack http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/30/Shows_and_Videos_File_Transfer_Protocols_FreeBSD_and_Linux_in_t.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/30/Shows_and_Videos_File_Transfer_Protocols_FreeBSD_and_Linux_in_t.gmi [06:33] TR Bot Tux Machines Shows and Videos: File Transfer Protocols, FreeBSD, and Linux in the Ham Shack [06:33] TR News Red Hat advances Enterprise Linux with improved Podman containers | VentureBeat https://venturebeat.com/programming-development/red-hat-advances-enterprise-linux-with-improved-podman-containers/ Source: Venture Beat | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//venturebeat.com/programming-development/red-hat-advances-enterprise-linux-with-improved-podman-containers/ [06:33] TR Bot Hat advances Enterprise Linux with improved Podman containers | VentureBeat [06:35] TR News Phoronix running Intel ads with Intel marketing material. What is this??? https://www.phoronix.com/news/Intel-Arc-A750-Details [06:35] TR Bot Outlines Arc A750 Graphics Card For $289, More Arc Graphics Details - Phoronix [06:36] TR News Avoid VMWare if you value security https://us-cert.cisa.gov/ncas/current-activity/2022/09/29/vmware-releases-guidance-virtualpita-virtualpie-and-virtualgate [06:36] TR Bot VMWare Releases Guidance for VirtualPITA, VirtualPIE, and VirtualGATE Malware Targeting vSphere | CISA [06:38] *liberty_box (~liberty@ngvjyiryrrbba.irc) has joined #techrights [06:38] *rianne_ (~rianne@freenode-vjf.peq.k31cok.IP) has joined #techrights [06:38] *rianne (~rianne@ngvjyiryrrbba.irc) has joined #techrights [06:58] TR News Red Hat "accepts" its OWN proposal https://pagure.io/fesco/issue/2871 [06:58] TR Bot #2871: Change proposal: KTLS implementation for GnuTLS - fesco - Pagure.io [06:58] TR News "Acceleration of GnuTLS with software Kernel TLS (KTLS)" https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/KTLSSupportForGnuTLS [06:58] TR Bot Changes/KTLSSupportForGnuTLS - Fedora Project Wiki [06:59] IPFS IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 34.98 k/sec., IPFS upstream 58.53 average k/sec., average swarm size 109.33 [06:59] *horseface has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) ● Sep 30 [07:06] highest_cubist_thrills Since 2019, IceCat is maintained only as source code. The last IceCat binary release was version 60.7.0, and is no longer supported. Duix and Parabola have up-to-date IceCat binaries. Please ask your distro to package IceCat. [07:07] highest_cubist_thrills "Please ask your distro to package IceCat" <- please ask your distro to COMPILE THE SUN [07:07] highest_cubist_thrills no one wants to compile icecat [07:07] highest_cubist_thrills because bloat kills freedom [07:08] highest_cubist_thrills and Parabola <- so you need systemd to get an icecat binary. nice. [07:08] schestowitz[TR] wow, osi [07:08] schestowitz[TR] what mfer [07:08] schestowitz[TR] working on a post [07:08] highest_cubist_thrills osi=microsoft=ibm [07:08] highest_cubist_thrills osi, had its arse propped open by phipps (also ibm) [07:09] highest_cubist_thrills phipps: lets make osi more "open" (to microsoft, an avatar of ibm) [07:10] schestowitz[TR] yeah [07:10] highest_cubist_thrills phipps: also signed the antirms letter (largely a project of debibm and ibm) [07:10] highest_cubist_thrills debian: source of the dfsg, rewritten to become osd [07:11] highest_cubist_thrills also debian: once headed by perens, author of osd and co-founder of osi [07:11] schestowitz[TR] http://techrights.org/2022/09/30/infiltration-of-osi/ [07:11] TR Bot Open Source Initiative Controlled (Infiltrated) by Microsoft GitHub: Microsoft Bribes OSI to Justify GPL Violations Under the Guise of AI, Even Writes the OSIs Material | Techrights [07:11] schestowitz[TR] take a look, highest_cubist_thrills [07:11] highest_cubist_thrills debian and ibm destroyed the free software movement [07:11] schestowitz[TR] still a draft [07:11] highest_cubist_thrills debian and ibm and osi desroyed the fsf. [07:11] highest_cubist_thrills still a draft [07:11] highest_cubist_thrills bian and ibm and osi desroyed the fsf. [07:11] schestowitz[TR] and later they censor wikipedia [07:12] highest_cubist_thrills doesstill a draf <- does it mention that ibm and debian destroyed the free software movement? [07:12] schestowitz[TR] because pointing out their corruption is "homophobia" [07:12] schestowitz[TR] highest_cubist_thrills: maybe a video later onm [07:12] highest_cubist_thrills later they censor wikipedia <- wikipedia, runs on wikimedia, chief software architect antirms [07:12] schestowitz[TR] I took 4 screenshots [07:12] schestowitz[TR] hopefully they illuminate how bad it has become [07:12] highest_cubist_thrills how bad it has become? [07:12] highest_cubist_thrills osi has spent two decades destroying free software [07:13] highest_cubist_thrills you should do a story next on how bad hiv/aids "has become" [07:13] schestowitz[TR] but wait [07:13] schestowitz[TR] 5 years ago osi was not as bad [07:13] highest_cubist_thrills (though at least theyve done a lot to reduce the impact those have. too bad theres no anti-open-source cocktail) [07:13] schestowitz[TR] and I spoke to OSI people [07:13] schestowitz[TR] it got a lot worse when they let Microsoft in "offficially" [07:14] highest_cubist_thrills 5 years ago osi was not as bad <- thats it, no more crackpipe. this is an intervention. [07:14] highest_cubist_thrills 5 years ago osi was a weapon for destroying free software. [07:14] *horseface (~horseface@9ucczhkmm895g.irc) has joined #techrights [07:14] highest_cubist_thrills 4 years ago osi sat on its fat worthless arse while microsoft bought out free software. [07:15] highest_cubist_thrills 3 years ago osi gleefully watched stallman get hanged by puritanical liars [07:15] highest_cubist_thrills my opinion of your take on osi is [07:15] highest_cubist_thrills "ill do ANYTHING to avoid talking about what happened to the fsf" [07:16] highest_cubist_thrills sure you could talk about both [07:16] highest_cubist_thrills but instead you downplay the destruction of the fsf and turn up the microscope on osi to 11 [07:16] highest_cubist_thrills the latter itself doesnt bother me. want to run OSIWATCH.co.uk ? thats fine [07:16] highest_cubist_thrills the context is what i think is peculiar. [07:17] highest_cubist_thrills ive watched you do this for a year or two [07:17] highest_cubist_thrills its weird. [07:17] highest_cubist_thrills hey whatever happened to fsf? OH WELL OSI IS REALLY IN THE TOILET NOW! [07:17] highest_cubist_thrills osi IS the toilet. [07:17] schestowitz[TR] me: [07:17] schestowitz[TR] I was right, Simon. [07:17] schestowitz[TR] I was right. [07:17] schestowitz[TR] So have you guys of no sense of shame? [07:17] schestowitz[TR] The OSI seems to be running for no good purpose anyway. [07:17] schestowitz[TR] You actively help Microsoft attack Free software and you profit from it. [07:17] schestowitz[TR] http://techrights.org/2022/09/30/infiltration-of-osi/ [07:17] TR Bot Open Source Initiative Controlled (Infiltrated) by Microsoft GitHub: Microsoft Bribes OSI to Justify GPL Violations Under the Guise of AI, Even Writes the OSIs Material | Techrights [07:17] schestowitz[TR] And later you falsely report me to censor any criticism, even perfectly legitimate. Like get me suspended from Twitter under "COVID-19" pretenses. [07:17] schestowitz[TR] Shame on you, Simon. You could have prevented this. [07:18] highest_cubist_thrills Shame on you, Simon. You could have prevented this. <- well, ive been saying hes a weasel for years. [07:18] schestowitz[TR] he wanted to meet me a decade ago [07:18] highest_cubist_thrills minks are very close to weasels, as far as i know [07:18] schestowitz[TR] 5 years ago I blasted him for taking smft money [07:18] schestowitz[TR] and since then we've not been friends [07:19] highest_cubist_thrills and less than a year ago i mentioned him cancelling rms and you said youre not mad at him [07:19] mjg59_ To be fair, you're amazingly unlikeable [07:20] IPFS () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-29.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-30.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi [07:20] schestowitz[TR] speak to the mirror [07:20] highest_cubist_thrills its one of those alternate universe episodes again [07:21] highest_cubist_thrills like when kira finds out shes a romulan or something [07:21] mjg59_ Eh sorry going to a birthday party at the beach tomorrow to hang out with EFF people [07:21] schestowitz[TR] EFF is corrupoted [07:21] highest_cubist_thrills to hang out with EFF people <- also traitors [07:21] schestowitz[TR] run by incompetent sellouts now [07:22] schestowitz[TR] the original founders ousted [07:22] schestowitz[TR] maybe you want to celebrated with them how that attack the free softare movement [07:22] schestowitz[TR] a [07:22] schestowitz[TR] and promote micosoft [07:22] highest_cubist_thrills they can splash each other and talk about how rms isnt as good a person as they are [07:22] mjg59_ Well yeah Gilmore did keep putting LSD in people's drinks without their consent [07:22] highest_cubist_thrills because the eff actually does that [07:22] schestowitz[TR] neede proof [07:22] highest_cubist_thrills did keep putting LSD in people's drinks without their consent <- sounds very cia [07:22] schestowitz[TR] you might be defaming people again [07:22] schestowitz[TR] lkike you do assange [07:22] schestowitz[TR] and rms [07:23] highest_cubist_thrills i mean they literally did that in mkultra [07:23] highest_cubist_thrills thats part of what it was [07:23] mjg59_ He's an SF counter-culture hippie, consent isn't really a big part of things there [07:23] schestowitz[TR] need proof [07:23] highest_cubist_thrills but if gilmore put lsd in my drink id sue his dick and balls off. [07:23] schestowitz[TR] you defamed many people already [07:23] mjg59_ What proof would you need [07:23] schestowitz[TR] you aree barking "wolf" again [07:23] schestowitz[TR] defemes assange [07:23] schestowitz[TR] defames rms [07:23] highest_cubist_thrills SF counter-culture hippie, consent isn't really a big part of things there <- i dont buy it tbh [07:23] DaemonFC "JavaScript is required to view these results or log-in to Phoronix Premium." [07:24] DaemonFC LOL [07:24] schestowitz[TR] and now pretends eff ousted a founder because [some unverified accusation] [07:24] highest_cubist_thrills i mean idk about gilmore but ive never read a book about "df rape culture" [07:24] highest_cubist_thrills sf [07:24] schestowitz[TR] bbl [07:24] mjg59_ Oh I haven't heard anything about him violating sexual consent [07:24] highest_cubist_thrills come to san fran, free drinks for everyone (may be laced with something) [07:24] mjg59_ But yeah I was not sufficiently precise on what I meant there, sorry [07:25] highest_cubist_thrills Oh I haven't heard anything about him violating sexual consent <- nor have i, its just what i associate spiked drinks with [07:25] mjg59_ Yeah it's more that he thinks it's funny, not that he wants to rape people [07:25] highest_cubist_thrills i mean maybe he doesnt have sex with them. maybe he just spikes their drinks and then sells them a set of encyclopedias. [07:25] highest_cubist_thrills it's more that he thinks it's funny <- any source for this at all? [07:26] mjg59_ Nothing I can point at publicly as far as I know, which I appreciate is unconvincing [07:26] mjg59_ But I've heard this from more than one person who got invited to his parties [07:26] highest_cubist_thrills maybe not grounds for kicking him out of an org tbh [07:26] mjg59_ The level of evidence I can provide, definitely not [07:26] highest_cubist_thrills well i dont want to blame the victim, but i probably would avoid one of his parties until i knew moew. [07:26] highest_cubist_thrills more [07:27] mjg59_ But if people had provided stronger evidence to EFF leadership then that might not be a surprising outcome [07:27] mjg59_ (I have zero insight into the actual reasons he was kicked out, I'm just extrapolating from things I do know) [07:27] highest_cubist_thrills it is interesting to note that the more (extrajudicial) social justice happens [07:27] highest_cubist_thrills the more sympathetic to corporate goals these non-profit orgs become [07:28] highest_cubist_thrills i dont mean this in any small way. i mean in a complete "end of user freedom" sort of way. [07:28] mjg59_ I'm not sure the EFF has obviously become especially corporate friendly [07:28] highest_cubist_thrills it could be a coincidence... [07:28] highest_cubist_thrills I'm not sure the EFF has obviously become especially corporate friendly <- it really depends how bullshit roys stories about them are [07:28] mjg59_ I have a bunch of objections to the EFF, but a lot of that is around how they handled the Weev situation [07:28] TR News Open Source Initiative Controlled (Infiltrated) by Microsoft GitHub: Microsoft Bribes OSI to Justify GPL Violations Under the Guise of AI, Even Writes the OSIs Material | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/09/30/infiltration-of-osi/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/09/30/infiltration-of-osi/ [07:28] TR Bot Open Source Initiative Controlled (Infiltrated) by Microsoft GitHub: Microsoft Bribes OSI to Justify GPL Violations Under the Guise of AI, Even Writes the OSIs Material | Techrights [07:29] highest_cubist_thrills b/c if that stuff isnt made up they sound like theyve lost interest in fighting for anyones electronic freedom [07:29] mjg59_ I spend time with the people rather than the organisation [07:29] highest_cubist_thrills the Weev situation <- i didnt even know he was linked to them [07:29] schestowitz[TR] he is not [07:29] schestowitz[TR] you are feeding a malicious troll [07:29] schestowitz[TR] who defames people [07:29] schestowitz[TR] with false rumours and hearsay [07:29] schestowitz[TR] and uses our IRC network to constantly defame people [07:30] highest_cubist_thrills you are feeding <- i am well aware who i am talking to [07:30] schestowitz[TR] bbl [07:30] mjg59_ EFF defended Weev after the AT&T "hack" thing [07:30] highest_cubist_thrills and you obviously dont agree with them doing that [07:30] mjg59_ And they were right that the interpretation of the CFAA that he was prosecuted under was bullshit [07:31] mjg59_ But none of their messaging mentioned the fact that he was a nazi piece of shit and they were doing this out of principle and not because they liked him [07:31] highest_cubist_thrills cfaa has been abused so often, if eff didnt fight it might they simply disband? [07:31] highest_cubist_thrills none of their messaging mentioned the fact that he was a nazi piece of shit <- if i was defending someone... [07:31] mjg59_ And he played off that a bunch before becoming webmaster for the Daily Stormer [07:31] highest_cubist_thrills i might not shoot myself in the foot by calling them a nazi. [07:32] mjg59_ While having a swastika literally tattoed to his chest [07:32] highest_cubist_thrills ffs, i didnt know weev ran a famous nazi website [07:32] highest_cubist_thrills /me will fact check eventually ofc [07:32] mjg59_ Oh yeah go for it [07:33] highest_cubist_thrills /me wonders who runs ibm.com [07:33] mjg59_ I just think the EFF is bad at separating the cause from the individuals and as a result sometimes they end up supporting the individual even if the individual if just actually bad [07:33] mjg59_ But I appreciate that this is a complicated issue when lobbying [07:33] highest_cubist_thrills I just think the EFF is bad at separating the cause from the individuals <- for weev yes, for rms no [07:34] highest_cubist_thrills i mean if your lawyer calls you a nazi while defending you, you need a new lawyer [07:34] mjg59_ Anyway hope I've clarified that I wasn't defaming anyone here [07:34] highest_cubist_thrills but if the eff doesnt defend people from cfaa abuses, theyve jumped the shark (they have anyway. but maybe they were trying not to there) [07:34] TR News Vulkan 1.3.230 is out, but outsourced to Microsoft proprietary prison (that OSI is bribed by Microsoft to PROMOTE) [07:35] mjg59_ (obvs feel free to fact check) [07:35] highest_cubist_thrills Anyway hope I've clarified that I wasn't defaming anyone here <- who knows [07:35] highest_cubist_thrills you mentioned things about gilmore that i dont know how to substantiate [07:35] TR News support -gz=zstd for both linker and assembler https://gcc.gnu.org/git/?p=gcc.git;a=commitdiff;h=b7723e135334df95597c8c744276b9de5a88214a [07:35] TR Bot Git - gcc.git/commitdiff [07:35] highest_cubist_thrills thats news to me [07:35] mjg59_ Yeah appreciate that's a tough one [07:35] highest_cubist_thrills some might consider that defaming [07:36] highest_cubist_thrills to me it could be a quibble. not high-priority, just raise an eyebrow [07:36] TR News Researcher warns of new zero-day in Microsoft Exchange under exploit https://itwire.com/security/researcher-warns-of-new-zero-day-in-microsoft-exchange-under-exploit.html maybe they intentially left it open: http://techrights.org/wiki/Microsoft_and_the_NSA [07:36] TR Bot - Researcher warns of new zero-day in Microsoft Exchange under exploit [07:36] TR Bot Microsoft and the NSA - Techrights [07:36] mjg59_ Not really sure how to handle it - it's a thing I know from people I trust, but I don't have direct experience and I certainly don't have a toxicology sample of his water jugs [07:36] highest_cubist_thrills ive been going through the edits to the fsd this year [07:36] highest_cubist_thrills looking for free software projects that arent github based :) [07:36] highest_cubist_thrills it's a thing I know from people I trust, but I don't have direct experience <- what if you trust the wrong people? [07:36] highest_cubist_thrills granted, you could literally ask anyone else the same question. [07:37] mjg59_ Well yeah I've made a lot of poor choices in that case [07:37] highest_cubist_thrills i put more than zero stock in pocock. with some amount of caution. [07:37] highest_cubist_thrills i never approved of his doxxing blanc [07:37] mjg59_ Many of the facts that Pocock provides are literally true, it's the narrative constructed around them that's bizarre [07:37] highest_cubist_thrills i have zero (if that much) respect for her. but i dont approve of the doxxing regardless. [07:38] highest_cubist_thrills Many of the facts that Pocock provides are literally true, it's the narrative constructed around them that's bizarre <- im more interested in the facts [07:38] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has left #techrights [07:38] mjg59_ Also his latest post is just wrong but he doesn't know it because the relevant information isn't public [07:38] highest_cubist_thrills which post? what subject [07:38] highest_cubist_thrills the suicide? [07:38] mjg59_ Oh, about a kernel developer just vanishing [07:38] highest_cubist_thrills a kernel developer just vanished? [07:39] mjg59_ (Said developer didn't vanish, but the cited name is incorrect so) [07:39] TR News (NEW): Nuvoton NuMicro MA35D1 Arm Cortex-A35/M4 microprocessor to power Linux edge IIoT gateways http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/30/Nuvoton_NuMicro_MA35D1_Arm_Cortex_A35_M4_microprocessor_to_powe.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/30/Nuvoton_NuMicro_MA35D1_Arm_Cortex_A35_M4_microprocessor_to_powe.gmi [07:39] highest_cubist_thrills well its a slow news cycle [07:39] TR Bot Tux Machines Nuvoton NuMicro MA35D1 Arm Cortex-A35/M4 microprocessor to power Linux edge IIoT gateways [07:39] highest_cubist_thrills ^ this is tongue in cheek [07:41] DaemonFC Well yeah Gilmore did keep putting LSD in people's drinks without their consent [07:41] highest_cubist_thrills drugs-forum.com/threads/famous-people-who-use-used-lsd.104075/ [07:41] highest_cubist_thrills John Gilmore is one of the founders of the Electronic Frontier Foundation, the Cypherpunks mailing list, and Cygnus Solutions. ... someone spiked everyone's drink with LSD. I had never done that before and around 14 years old, I went to the concert and of course it started to take effect and that became the most psychedelic music that I had ... [07:41] DaemonFC So did the CIA, which does business with your employers. [07:41] highest_cubist_thrills "and Cygnus Solutions. ... someone spiked everyone's drink with LSD." [07:41] DaemonFC To be fair, you're amazingly unlikeable [07:41] DaemonFC Said the pot, to the kettle. [07:41] highest_cubist_thrills i dont know if thats some markov "aggregator" [07:41] DaemonFC Since 2019, IceCat is maintained only as source code. The last IceCat binary release was version 60.7.0, and is no longer supported. Duix and Parabola have up-to-date IceCat binaries. Please ask your distro to package IceCat. [07:42] DaemonFC "Please ask your distro to package IceCat" <- please ask your distro to COMPILE THE SUN [07:42] DaemonFC no one wants to compile icecat [07:42] DaemonFC Fedora has IceCat RPMs. [07:42] DaemonFC I have it installed. [07:42] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has joined #techrights [07:42] DaemonFC There's really no reason for GNU to do a lousy tarball like Mozilla where it's one size fits all and bundles a million things your distribution should be servicing. [07:42] mjg59_ DaemonFC: Oh, I'm polarising rather than unlikeable [07:43] DaemonFC You're likable to a bunch of pedophiles at Reddit and Microsoft. [07:43] DaemonFC Congratulations. [07:43] mjg59_ Not aware of anyone I choose to spend time with being a paedophile [07:43] DaemonFC Oh, did I say pedo? I meant pedos, rapists, stranglers, and people who prey on Immigrants. [07:43] mjg59_ Same to all of the above [07:44] DaemonFC I apologize if there was any confusion. [07:44] schestowitz[TR] he is only here toi troll and time-0waste [07:44] schestowitz[TR] but worse, he is defaming people here [07:44] schestowitz[TR] and we don't condone defamation [07:44] mjg59_ Who am I defaming? [07:44] schestowitz[TR] how would he feel is H said I heard mjg did inn fact anally rape people in toilet booth? [07:44] highest_cubist_thrills and we don't condone defamatio <- well you did it to me [07:45] schestowitz[TR] and put heroin in thrie beers? [07:45] schestowitz[TR] I can say it [07:45] schestowitz[TR] once [07:45] schestowitz[TR] every day [07:45] schestowitz[TR] and see how he likes itr [07:45] schestowitz[TR] I heard... some lies [07:45] mjg59_ I'd ask you who you heard it from [07:45] mjg59_ And then you could decide whether to tell the truth or to lie [07:45] DaemonFC Alex Graveley... The strangler and rapist who made a GPL violation automation tool. [07:46] highest_cubist_thrills And then you could decide whether to tell the truth or to lie <- i doubt hes capable of making that decision of his own will [07:46] DaemonFC Among others. [07:46] DaemonFC You were defending him iirc. [07:46] DaemonFC The GPL violation automation tool. [07:46] highest_cubist_thrills i mean theoretically, sure. doubt, not "im absolutely certain" [07:47] mjg59_ My position is that tooling that reduces the enforceability of copyright law is potentially good for free software and society as a whole [07:47] highest_cubist_thrills including co-pilot? [07:47] highest_cubist_thrills thats also the position in redas essay on it. [07:47] DaemonFC It's literally designed to encourage you to contaminate your product with stolen code. Basically. [07:47] mjg59_ The specific implementation of copilot is one that's awkward for free software, given it's a proprietary tool [07:47] schestowitz[TR] and help Microsoft profit from it [07:47] DaemonFC Fortunately, Microsoft built it and it also came to light that it suggested you put a lot of bugs in your program. [07:48] schestowitz[TR] profit from encouraging people tol break the law [07:48] highest_cubist_thrills but its terribly naive. we arent talking about the "reducing the enforceability" of copyright for everyone [07:48] schestowitz[TR] and hurt the main rivals of Miceosoft [07:48] schestowitz[TR] anyway, i'm out [07:48] schestowitz[TR] back to links [07:48] schestowitz[TR] the trolling went too far today [07:48] *betsy (~igloo@d9tvs44uyg5y6.irc) has joined #techrights [07:48] highest_cubist_thrills we are talking about weakening it for one side while it stays the same (or becomes more enforceable) for big corporations [07:48] highest_cubist_thrills thats how it always is [07:48] schestowitz[TR] and I got reported of defamation from people whom mjg59_ and ilk defame here [07:48] highest_cubist_thrills and thats why reda is an IDIOT about copyright. [07:48] DaemonFC I'm not against copyright. Free Software depends on copyright. [07:48] highest_cubist_thrills and youre a sucker. at best. [07:48] mjg59_ But having a large company assert that funnelling code through an ML model means the output isn't a derivative would set precedent that free software could make use of [07:49] highest_cubist_thrills the trolling went too far today <- when? [07:49] DaemonFC Without copyrights, there's no way to enforce that it remains Free, and everything is BSD-licensed, except the proprietary stuff. Where there's no source code at all. [07:49] DaemonFC So, mjg59_... [07:49] DaemonFC That's what you want? [07:49] mjg59_ Copyleft relies on copyright, but free software benefits more from copyright ceasing to exist [07:49] highest_cubist_thrills would set precedent that free software could make use of <- no it cant, because it is dead. [07:49] DaemonFC Copyleft relies on copyright, but free software benefits more from copyright ceasing to exist [07:49] highest_cubist_thrills free software benefits more from copyright ceasing to exist <- yes it would IMO, but i just addressed that when i said "we are talking about weakening it for one side while it stays the same (or becomes more enforceable) for big corporations" [07:49] DaemonFC On the hopes that you can reverse engineer it? Does the DMCA still apply? [07:50] highest_cubist_thrills which is what makes redas/your position on this so naive (assuming good faith, its naive) [07:50] highest_cubist_thrills for rhetorical purposes i have no reason not to assume good faith on this. [07:50] DaemonFC If the DMCA still applies, they can still put you in prison for trying to figure out how proprietary software works if they can claim that there was DRM in it. [07:50] mjg59_ Oh yeah there are ways it could be one-sided [07:50] highest_cubist_thrills i think its a given. [07:50] mjg59_ But proprietary code isn't actually hard to find [07:50] highest_cubist_thrills but thats just my take on it. [07:51] mjg59_ nvidia's source code was avilable for years, but nobody would look at it to improve free software because there was no way to do so without contaminating the code [07:51] highest_cubist_thrills theres never going to be an independent essay on the number of accurate predictions ive made about such things so [07:51] DaemonFC Copyright ending would be a disaster. But, it would be best to repeal all of those extensions that Congress did after the 1970s, along with the DMCA. [07:51] highest_cubist_thrills im just going to put it down to personal opinion. [07:51] highest_cubist_thrills there was no way to do so without contaminating the code <- nvidia is useless that way. [07:51] highest_cubist_thrills but ml can do it, youre implying? [07:51] DaemonFC It'll never happen. The government is too corrupt. [07:52] DaemonFC We're far more likely to get forever minus one day. [07:52] mjg59_ Precedent could be set that would allow ml to turn code into knowledge, which is then an interesting legal question [07:52] highest_cubist_thrills theoretically, thats interesting. in practice, its probably not because "weakening it for one side while it stays the same (or becomes more enforceable) for big corporations" [07:52] highest_cubist_thrills i mean thats how "aye pee" works in real life. [07:52] mjg59_ I think the most valuable thing right now would be to train a model on everything on github, including stuff under proprietary licenses [07:52] highest_cubist_thrills so by all means, abolish copyright. but REALLY abolish it. [07:53] mjg59_ And see who wants to fight that [07:53] highest_cubist_thrills also stallmans take on abolishing copyright is useless in the real world [07:53] highest_cubist_thrills in theory its spot on [07:53] mjg59_ It'd cost a bunch, but at a level that could be crowdfunded [07:54] highest_cubist_thrills in practice its spot on in a world that exists hypothetically [07:54] DaemonFC Most of Stallman's political and economic ideas are out there and unworkable. [07:54] highest_cubist_thrills before we made it to that world, we would be in one that doesnt have copyright. [07:54] highest_cubist_thrills so, useless. [07:54] mjg59_ But going back to the original point - is Copilot an attack on free software? I think the answer is "yes" to the extent that Copilot is proprietary software, and all proprietary software is an attack against free software [07:54] DaemonFC But he should have a right to express those without the harassment campaign mjg59_ promotes on Microsoft github. [07:55] highest_cubist_thrills ill even make a metaphor for stallmans take on copyright that i think is pretty spot on. [07:55] highest_cubist_thrills suppose for the sake of argument, the world wants to talk about abolishing nuclear arms [07:55] mjg59_ But I think we don't win the argument about ideas belonging to everyone rather than to individuals or corporations by arguing that copyright law should be stricter [07:55] DaemonFC mjg59_ is basically pulling a Kiwi Farms-lite on RMS and others. [07:55] highest_cubist_thrills and stallman says [07:56] highest_cubist_thrills "we dont need to abolish nukes. just rebuild them so they only have the yield of one stick of dynamite". [07:56] highest_cubist_thrills well thats brilliant, richard. [07:56] highest_cubist_thrills a perfect solution imo. [07:56] highest_cubist_thrills now some people think hes this silly about most things. im not one of those people. [07:56] highest_cubist_thrills but his take on copyright is silly. [07:56] DaemonFC But I think we don't win the argument about ideas belonging to everyone rather than to individuals or corporations by arguing that copyright law should be stricter [07:57] mjg59_ I really appreciate that I could probably get Ryan to make any argument at all by simply saying the opposite [07:57] DaemonFC So if something like Copilot analyzed the Windows "Shared Source" version (the one that some people are allowed to look at, but not compile or share or modify) and then it suggested things to people who do Wine.... [07:57] highest_cubist_thrills "you could take the existing warheads and make them smaller, then put them in smaller" no, you see thats way more bullshit that is necessary or will ever happen in real life. [07:57] DaemonFC You say that wouldn't threaten Wine at all? [07:58] DaemonFC I really appreciate that I could probably get Ryan to make any argument at all by simply saying the opposite [07:58] DaemonFC In regards to what? [07:58] DaemonFC A tool designed to get Free Software developers sued or thrown in prison? [07:58] DaemonFC Or about copyright being too harsh for anyone to want to live under, and that's why there's mass rejection and piracy? [07:59] mjg59_ There's be a pretty clear estoppel argument in the case you're suggesting [07:59] IPFS IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 19.73 k/sec., IPFS upstream 171.46 average k/sec., average swarm size 132.00 [07:59] DaemonFC Laws that are widely disobeyed are often laws that are corrupt and terrible. ● Sep 30 [08:00] DaemonFC They can buy copyright laws, but they can't make stripping DRM and sharing morally wrong under this regime that they've created. [08:00] *betsy has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [08:00] highest_cubist_thrills im no expert on estoppel, but i know vaguely what it means and that it seems to come up every time the argument starts to lean on wildcards posing as "this is how it actually works" [08:01] highest_cubist_thrills there are undetermined precidents afaik centred around estoppel [08:01] highest_cubist_thrills which people in copyright treat as givens when theyre not [08:01] mjg59_ Microsoft building a model that suggests code to you and then later claiming that actually they owned that? Massively unlikely to work [08:02] mjg59_ There's a clear argument that Microsoft were implicitly giving you permission to use what their model fed you, to the extent they could [08:02] mjg59_ And maybe that argument wouldn't fly for code that's owned by people who aren't Microsoft [08:02] mjg59_ But Microsoft have no fucking argument at all there [08:02] mjg59_ (I'm not a lawyer, consult one if necessary, etc) [08:02] highest_cubist_thrills the main complaint is handing over copylefted code to non-copylefted projects [08:03] mjg59_ Yeah obviously it works both ways [08:03] highest_cubist_thrills copyleftlaundering [08:03] mjg59_ But I don't think it's a threat to free software in the way Ryan's suggesting [08:03] mjg59_ Does it let ideas embodied in copyleft code enter proprietary codebases without triggering copyleft clauses? Perhaps. [08:04] highest_cubist_thrills i wonder if its possible to be a threat to a dead movement [08:04] highest_cubist_thrills but [08:04] *betsy2 (~42443e0b@q8ban9vyag5t6.irc) has joined #techrights [08:04] mjg59_ But all the proprietary vendors I know of have banned use of Copilot because they don't want to risk that [08:04] highest_cubist_thrills any reasonable discussion of copilot will assume (factually or otherwise) that free software is still a thing [08:04] TR News Reminder That Microsofts GitHub Copilot is Run by a Criminal With Many Female Victims | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/09/30/criminal-behind-github-copilot/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/09/30/criminal-behind-github-copilot/ [08:04] TR Bot Reminder That Microsofts GitHub Copilot is Run by a Criminal With Many Female Victims | Techrights [08:05] mjg59_ Didn't you also talk about him having been fired? [08:05] mjg59_ Not sure how he's both fired and running it [08:05] highest_cubist_thrills bill gates stepped down as ceo and still ran microsoft [08:05] highest_cubist_thrills through proxies-- so thats one way its possible. [08:06] highest_cubist_thrills but highly unlikely for most former [any position really] [08:06] mjg59_ Github has a bunch of pathological management issues but I don't think having people report to someone who no longer works there is one of them [08:07] highest_cubist_thrills itd be interesting to know any example of this other than bill gates [08:07] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has left #techrights [08:07] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has joined #techrights [08:08] mjg59_ Huh I guess phanes got bored and fucked off [08:08] highest_cubist_thrills lets see [08:08] highest_cubist_thrills /me goes to his website [08:09] highest_cubist_thrills maybe he got bored of chat [08:10] highest_cubist_thrills i think his database is still growing [08:10] highest_cubist_thrills but im not sure it has grown in 2 weeks or not [08:11] highest_cubist_thrills if we took absence of evidence as evidence of absence, you havent defamed anyone in a whole month [08:12] highest_cubist_thrills not that i take his website as gospel [08:12] highest_cubist_thrills i dont even take gospel as gospel [08:12] *betsy2 has quit (Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client) [08:13] highest_cubist_thrills ive never seen a more meticulous set of notes though [08:13] highest_cubist_thrills he must use m-x butterfly [08:15] TR News 'UnstableFusion' Makes AI Art Easy on Windows, Mac, and Linux https://www.howtogeek.com/836830/unstablefusion-makes-ai-art-easy-on-windows-mac-and-linux/ Source: HowTo Geek | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//www.howtogeek.com/836830/unstablefusion-makes-ai-art-easy-on-windows-mac-and-linux/ [08:15] TR Bot UnstableFusion Makes AI Art Easy on Windows, Mac, and Linux [08:15] mjg59_ He got *super* upset when I pointed out the actual legal definition of defamation and he's been a touch obsessive since then [08:16] highest_cubist_thrills im going to guess your take on it is self-serving [08:16] highest_cubist_thrills but, i dont pretend to understand him either [08:16] mjg59_ I mean to be fair it is in the sense that I don't think I've met that definition at any point, but also I have a bunch of personal experience [08:17] highest_cubist_thrills I don't think I've met that definition at any point <- i dont pretend to know the legal definition of it myself [08:17] highest_cubist_thrills i think youve ruined people, and some did not deserve it. [08:17] highest_cubist_thrills but, thats a flowery way of putting it too [08:17] highest_cubist_thrills you had LOTS of help. [08:18] highest_cubist_thrills it would be unscientific to give you all the credit [08:18] highest_cubist_thrills not to mention you might enjoy it [08:19] highest_cubist_thrills i dont think even phanes intends to give you all the credit [08:19] highest_cubist_thrills youre just his favourite [08:19] highest_cubist_thrills he and roy have that in common [08:19] mjg59_ Oh yeah he's got a whole conspiracy theory thing going on here [08:19] highest_cubist_thrills maybe they have good reason. idk, its not that i dont see it-- its just that [08:19] highest_cubist_thrills im actually just as pedantic and (only sometimes) detail oriented as phanes [08:20] IPFS () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-29.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-30.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi [08:20] highest_cubist_thrills i dont have the patience or the ambition to do exactly what hes doing-- or to do what hes doing the way hes doing it. [08:20] mjg59_ I genuinely appreciate the way in which you criticise me [08:20] highest_cubist_thrills you shouldnt [08:20] mjg59_ I don't agree with most of what you say but it's actually from a coherent position [08:21] mjg59_ You're not just making shit up [08:21] highest_cubist_thrills no, i have no interest in making shit up [08:21] highest_cubist_thrills i want to understand EXACTLY what happened. [08:21] mjg59_ And it does make me reappraise what I've been saying [08:21] mjg59_ Because I trust that objections you make to shit I say are well founded [08:21] highest_cubist_thrills making shit up would be like throwing breadcrumbs around while trying to follow trails of them. [08:22] mjg59_ Criticism from Roy and Ryan is easy to discard because it's obviously not based on reality [08:22] highest_cubist_thrills are well founded <- i mean things have to start somewhere [08:22] highest_cubist_thrills id say there are degrees of founded. [08:22] highest_cubist_thrills but then if there are degrees of founded, thats pretty easy not to bullshit about. [08:22] highest_cubist_thrills you simply dont pretend that a hint is the same thing as a fact. [08:22] mjg59_ Ha actually just realised something [08:22] mjg59_ Which is ironic, given Roy's position on therapy [08:22] highest_cubist_thrills roy doesnt realise things. [08:23] mjg59_ The best therapist is one who challenges you on your beliefs, and doesn't just let you come up with a nice story that explains everything and where you turn out to be the hero [08:23] TR News "I posted a couple of days ago, adding a "Fix broken video" menu entry to Limine boot-loader" https://bkhome.org/news/202209/limine-nested-menu.html [08:23] TR Bot Limine nested menu [08:23] mjg59_ And there's an extent to which being here is that for me [08:23] highest_cubist_thrills and doesn't just let you come up with a nice story that explains everything <- i mean, the latter would be like helping an alcoholic by taking them on a pub crawl. [08:23] TR News gfldex: Rabbitholeing https://gfldex.wordpress.com/2022/09/29/rabbitholeing/ [08:23] TR Bot Rabbitholeing | Playing Perl 6b6xA Raku [08:24] highest_cubist_thrills And there's an extent to which being here is that for me <- i wouldnt recommend it [08:24] mjg59_ I genuinely believe that the choices I make are the ones that are the best for free software [08:24] TR News "I recently worked on a neat hack called puppet-package-check. It is designed to warn about manually installed packages, to make sure "everything is in Puppet". But it turns out it can (probably?) dramatically increase the bootstrap time of Puppet bootstrap when it needs to install a large number of packages." https://anarc.at/blog/2022-09-29-optimizing-puppet-bootstrap/ [08:24] TR Bot Detecting manual (and optimizing large) package installs in Puppet - anarcat [08:24] mjg59_ But if I'm never exposed to criticism of those choices, how do I know? [08:25] mjg59_ I need people to tell me that I'm fucking up [08:25] highest_cubist_thrills what i dont know is how anyone can come to the conclusion that free software is better off [08:25] mjg59_ And then I need to spend time analysing what they said [08:25] highest_cubist_thrills its drifting into the abyss like the space station in "the orion conspiracy" [08:26] highest_cubist_thrills users clearly have less control than they did before [08:26] highest_cubist_thrills and are routinely told basically "shut up and fork" whenever they complain [08:26] highest_cubist_thrills or "its not like that, noob" [08:27] highest_cubist_thrills meanwhile everything is becoming harder to fork, not easier. [08:27] TR News "Were no closer now to ending the pandemic than we were 12 months ago." https://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2022/09/30/covid-19-hospital-admissions-in-september-2020-2021-and-2022-compared-spoiler-its-accelerating-like-never-before-in-autumn/ [08:27] TR Bot Blog Archive COVID-19 Hospital Admissions in September: 2020, 2021, and 2022 Compared (Spoiler: Its Accelerating Like Never Before in Autumn) [08:27] highest_cubist_thrills and you can even see forks struggling and dying rather than succeeding [08:27] highest_cubist_thrills this is freedom 3 in the throes of death. [08:27] highest_cubist_thrills the orgs are a farce, whether or not you take roys take seriously. [08:28] highest_cubist_thrills everything in free software is run by its sworn enemy [08:28] TR News This is why the OSI has done all those AI talks and podcasts lately; they cover up Microsofts attacks on Open Source (encouraging plagiarism) and they take money to do this (this is where the majority of the OSI's money goes) http://techrights.org/2022/09/30/infiltration-of-osi/ [08:28] TR Bot Open Source Initiative Controlled (Infiltrated) by Microsoft GitHub: Microsoft Bribes OSI to Justify GPL Violations Under the Guise of AI, Even Writes the OSIs Material | Techrights [08:28] highest_cubist_thrills i can even quote kuhn to support that. [08:28] highest_cubist_thrills and i think hes a traitor. [08:28] TR News The person who started and led Microsofts GitHub Copilot is basically a criminal who attacks his own partners (at least 3 that we know of); why is the Open Source Initiative helping him? Because Microsoft pays for it. http://techrights.org/2022/09/30/criminal-behind-github-copilot/ [08:28] TR Bot Reminder That Microsofts GitHub Copilot is Run by a Criminal With Many Female Victims | Techrights [08:29] highest_cubist_thrills but his take on microsoft, at least in terms of rhetoric, should be a red flag that people are obviously ignoring. [08:29] *pyfisch has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) [08:29] highest_cubist_thrills the gnu project doesnt have a leader other than duix. [08:29] highest_cubist_thrills the fsf gained an anti-whistleblower policy this year. always a sign of progress. [08:29] highest_cubist_thrills you know whistleblowers are nothing but trouble. [08:29] highest_cubist_thrills blame the whistleblowers, indeed. [08:30] highest_cubist_thrills i understand that the actual players that controlled computing when stallman started the gnu project were different ones [08:30] highest_cubist_thrills but the players that control computing NOW are ibm and microsoft [08:31] highest_cubist_thrills and they were the same people that were controlling MY computing when i migrated TO free software [08:31] highest_cubist_thrills and theyve taken over the fsf and gnu. and most free software outside of those. [08:31] highest_cubist_thrills so imo all evidence points to the movements collapse. [08:31] highest_cubist_thrills but the narratives-- oh, those vary wildly. [08:32] highest_cubist_thrills unsupported by facts, but entirely diverse. [08:32] highest_cubist_thrills i did not spend years migrating from ibm and microsoft [08:32] highest_cubist_thrills to free software, just to have my computing controlled by ibm and microsoft [08:33] highest_cubist_thrills to have gnome developers gloat that i have no choice but to use their shit. [08:33] highest_cubist_thrills to have systemd developers laughing at people complaining that they dont want systemd [08:33] highest_cubist_thrills like anyone who doesnt want to kiss lennarts arse is some kind of simpleton. [08:34] highest_cubist_thrills whats left of free software is run by sheer narcissists [08:34] highest_cubist_thrills and there is no sign of it improving any year soon. [08:34] highest_cubist_thrills someday, perhaps [08:34] highest_cubist_thrills "real soon now" [08:34] highest_cubist_thrills maybe around the time copyright gets abolished. [08:34] highest_cubist_thrills of course before copyright (and im not saying id miss it) applied to software [08:35] highest_cubist_thrills they just used ndas instead. [08:35] highest_cubist_thrills abolish corporations and software might be free. [08:35] highest_cubist_thrills not automatically. just it might have a chance then. [08:36] highest_cubist_thrills of course that means abolishing "non-profit" shell orgs like the new fsf too [08:36] highest_cubist_thrills i mean if you abolish corporations-- the fsf is a corporation. [08:36] highest_cubist_thrills but its an empty shell at this point anyway [08:36] highest_cubist_thrills its getting sucked dry by ibm [08:37] highest_cubist_thrills money isnt their problem [08:37] highest_cubist_thrills they abandoned the mission [08:37] highest_cubist_thrills so yeah [08:37] highest_cubist_thrills if you did whats best for free software [08:37] highest_cubist_thrills free software has a funny way of showing it [08:38] TR News "Its time to get me up on speed with modern CSS. Theres so much new in CSS that I know too little about." https://www.matuzo.at/blog/2022/100daysof-day4/ | Source: Manuel Matuzovic [08:38] TR Bot Day 4: the min() function - Manuel Matuzovi [08:38] highest_cubist_thrills also no one here has YOUR best interests as their motivations [08:38] TR News "It's funny, because it's actually difficult to put into words. I have dealt with different filesystems over the past 35+ years" https://unixsheikh.com/articles/drive-failure-and-io-errors-zfs-to-the-rescue.html | Source: Unix Sheikh [08:38] TR Bot Drive failure and IO errors? ZFS to the rescue! [08:38] highest_cubist_thrills so coming here for therapy is a terrible idea [08:39] highest_cubist_thrills but its your life [08:39] TR News Games: "I've started fiddling with it, and I really like it. I'm incrementally getting somewhere." https://warmedal.se/~bjorn/posts/2022-09-29-a-mod-for-openttd.html | Source: Bjrn Wrmedal [08:39] TR Bot A Mod For OpenTTD - Bjrn Wrmedal [08:39] TR News Games: "Get back in time to the glory years of gaming with the brand new Pico W microcontroller board." https://magpi.raspberrypi.com/articles/pico-w-retro-gaming-special-in-the-magpi-magazine-issue-122 | Source: Raspberry Pi [08:39] TR Bot Pico W retro gaming special in The MagPi magazine issue #122 The MagPi magazine [08:39] mjg59_ Only exposing myself to people who agree with me definitely isn't going to result in optimal outcomes [08:40] TR News "GOG are celebrating 14 years of existing with a big sale on lots of games, plus you can get a free copy of Master of Magic Classic." https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/09/gog-celebrates-14-years-with-big-sale-game-giveaway-and-skyrim-release/ | Source: GamingOnLinux [08:40] TR Bot celebrates 14 years with big sale, game giveaway and Skyrim release | GamingOnLinux [08:40] TR News "Want another way to transfer files from a PC (Linux / Windows) over to a Steam Deck? Here's how to do it using the FileZilla FTP application." https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/09/transferring-files-from-pc-to-steam-deck-with-ftp/ | Source: GamingOnLinux [08:40] TR Bot files from PC to Steam Deck with FileZilla FTP | GamingOnLinux [08:40] TR News "Arriving with Native Linux support, the new mysterious point and click adventure game The Excavation of Hob's Barrow from Cloak and Dagger Games / Wadjet Eye Games is out now." https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/09/point-and-click-mystery-adventure-the-excavation-of-hobs-barrow-is-out-now/ | Source: GamingOnLinux [08:40] TR Bot and click mystery adventure The Excavation of Hob's Barrow is out now | GamingOnLinux [08:41] TR News Before Stadia there was OUYA https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ouya [08:41] TR Bot Ouya - Wikipedia [08:41] TR News "Continuing to expand to some gorgeous locations to race through, the free Indonesia update for art of rally is out now." https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/09/the-free-indonesia-update-for-art-of-rally-is-out-now/ | Source: GamingOnLinux [08:41] TR Bot free Indonesia update for art of rally is out now | GamingOnLinux [08:41] TR News "Inspired by classic hack and slashers like Diablo and turn-based RPGs like Tales of Maj'Eyal or Stoneshard" https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/09/open-world-turn-based-rpg-of-blades-a-tails-arrives-october-19th/ | Source: GamingOnLinux [08:41] TR Bot turn-based RPG 'Of Blades & Tails' arrives October 19th | GamingOnLinux [08:42] TR News "Looks like dbrand are not having a great time with Project Killswitch, their bundle of accessories as they had to pull it from sale shortly after going up for reservations due to it causing problems." https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/09/project-killswitch-sales-suspended-as-the-kickstand-messed-with-the-steam-deck-fan/ | Source: GamingOnLinux [08:42] TR Bot Killswitch sales suspended as the kickstand messed with the Steam Deck fan | GamingOnLinux [08:43] highest_cubist_thrills i think its funny that roy thinks the trolling went too far today [08:43] highest_cubist_thrills i must have missed it [08:43] highest_cubist_thrills what was so special about today? [08:43] TR News "After three years, Google Stadia is exiting the arena." https://variety.com/2022/digital/news/google-stadia-shutting-down-1235388235/ | Source: Variety [08:43] TR Bot to Shut Down Stadia Games Streaming Service - Variety [08:43] highest_cubist_thrills the biggest "event" i noticed was the comment about gilmore [08:43] highest_cubist_thrills which for all i know is true. [08:43] highest_cubist_thrills im not assuming it is, but im not assuming its not. [08:44] TR News "How do you approach tweaking KDE Plasmas theme to suit your taste?" https://itsfoss.com/properly-theme-kde-plasma/ | Source: Its FOSS [08:44] TR Bot How to Properly Theme KDE Plasma [An in-depth Guide] [08:44] highest_cubist_thrills the "trolling" went much farther days ago [08:44] highest_cubist_thrills but this is just from my vantage. its very possible (however likely or not) that i missed something. [08:45] highest_cubist_thrills i should just say its possible, because "very" is exactly what i was doubting [08:46] highest_cubist_thrills its certainly possible [08:46] highest_cubist_thrills my guess though, is he simply wanted to emphasise the point more than yesterday or the day before [08:46] highest_cubist_thrills so today its Truly Egregious [08:47] highest_cubist_thrills im cynical, i think 90+% of the movement is trolling at this point [08:47] *pyfisch (~pyfisch@user/pyfisch) has joined #techrights [08:47] highest_cubist_thrills i might be right, but it definitely sounds cynical [08:47] highest_cubist_thrills only whenever i try (very hard) to look for things to be hopeful about [08:48] highest_cubist_thrills i continue to find worse news [08:48] highest_cubist_thrills compare it to the state of the united states vs the constitution [08:49] mjg59_ Oh yeah today I spoke about someone else [08:49] highest_cubist_thrills compare it to the state of the earth itself vs media coverage [08:49] highest_cubist_thrills today I spoke about someone else <- besides gilmore? [08:49] mjg59_ I mean Gilmore rather than anyone I've talked about before [08:49] *psydroid2 (~psydroid@memzbmehf99re.irc) has joined #techrights [08:49] mjg59_ New Badness [08:50] TR News (NEW): Today's HowTos http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/30/today_s_howtos.1.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/30/today_s_howtos.1.gmi [08:50] TR Bot Tux Machines today's howtos [08:50] TR News (NEW): Games: art of rally, 'Of Blades & Tails', and Much More http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/30/Games_art_of_rally_Of_Blades_Tails_and_Much_More.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/30/Games_art_of_rally_Of_Blades_Tails_and_Much_More.gmi [08:50] TR Bot Tux Machines Games: art of rally, 'Of Blades & Tails', and Much More [08:50] highest_cubist_thrills yeah, if i was into emailing phanes i would totally report it [08:50] TR News [Old] "This radio-controlled submarine is smart enough to maintain a steady depth and keep a set distance from the bottom of the body of water its dropped in." https://www.raspberrypi.com/news/we-all-live-in-a-lego-submarine/ | Source: Raspberry Pi [08:50] TR Bot We all live in a LEGO submarine - Raspberry Pi [08:51] highest_cubist_thrills however im not informing his research, im like a bittorrent leech as far as that goes [08:51] TR News "This system will only work on specific bicycles that have suspension forks that the user can adjust with a knob." https://blog.arduino.cc/2022/09/29/add-ml-controlled-smart-suspension-adjustment-to-your-bicycle/ | Source: Arduino [08:51] TR Bot Add ML-controlled smart suspension adjustment to your bicycle | Arduino Blog [08:51] highest_cubist_thrills if he paid attention and had a lax policy he might get something from me here [08:51] highest_cubist_thrills but his policy is by-email-only [08:51] highest_cubist_thrills i dont email him [08:51] TR News "Every Thursday is #3dthursday here at Adafruit!" https://blog.adafruit.com/2022/09/29/stackable-storage-caddies-3dthursday-3dprinting/ | Source: Adafruit [08:51] TR Bot Stackable Storage Caddies #3DThursday #3DPrinting Adafruit Industries Makers, hackers, artists, designers and engineers! [08:51] TR News "There are two techniques for timing an athlete's 40-yard dash; hand timing, and fully automated electronic timing." https://www.sparkfun.com/news/5460 | Source: SparkFun Electronics [08:51] TR Bot Race! Using ESP32 Wireless Timing - News - SparkFun Electronics [08:51] highest_cubist_thrills i came back and he was gone, im mildly curious where he is [08:51] highest_cubist_thrills but i figure he will be back eventually [08:52] highest_cubist_thrills im not even following the details because [08:52] highest_cubist_thrills its wayyyy too much of a rabbit hole for me [08:52] TR News "This tutorial will help you to create mail merge with LibreOffice explained step by step with pictures and examples" https://www.ubuntubuzz.com/2022/09/libreoffice-writer-mail-merge-made-easy.html | Source: Ubuntubuzz [08:52] TR Bot LibreOffice Writer: Mail Merge Made Easy [08:52] highest_cubist_thrills same with pocock [08:53] TR News "In 2021, Ive rediscovered the full Usenet message after a search effort in multiple Usenet archives." https://niconiconi.neocities.org/posts/ken-thompson-really-did-launch-his-trusting-trust-trojan-attack-in-real-life/ | [08:53] TR Bot Ken Thompson Really Did Launch His "Trusting Trust" Trojan Attack in Real Life [08:53] TR News "Yes, its almost October, which means its time for the HacktoberFest again." https://rakudoweekly.blog/2022/09/26/2022-39-upcoming-hacking/ | Source: Rakulang [08:53] TR Bot 2022.39 Upcoming Hacking Rakudo Weekly News [08:53] highest_cubist_thrills what theyre doing is interesting but forced to choose between following it closely and feeling at least vaguely sane [08:53] highest_cubist_thrills id choose the latter [08:54] TR News Becoming a father shrinks your cerebrum https://www.economist.com/science-and-technology/2022/09/28/becoming-a-father-shrinks-your-cerebrum | Source: The Economist [08:54] TR Bot a father shrinks your cerebrum | The Economist [08:54] highest_cubist_thrills theres no rush-- the world will still be ending tomorrow, just like it was three years ago. [08:54] TR News "On Sept. 20, YouTube, led by Susan Wojcicki, unveiled a series of creator-driven announcements" https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/business/digital/social-media-giants-top-creators-terms-of-service-1235228680/ | Source: Hollywood Reporter [08:54] TR Bot YouTube, Twitch Revenue Share Changes: Creators Terms of Service Have Changed The Hollywood Reporter [08:55] TR News "A cloud region usually is based around a cluster of data centres." https://cio.economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/cloud-computing/google-to-build-its-first-cloud-region-in-greece/94532766 | Source: India Times [08:55] TR Bot Google to build its first cloud region in Greece, CIO News, ET CIO [08:55] TR News "Beaumont pointed to a post by a Vietnamese source named GTSC Cyber Security Company that said details of the vulnerability" https://itwire.com/business-it-news/security/researcher-warns-of-new-zero-day-in-microsoft-exchange-under-exploit.html | Source: IT Wire [08:55] TR Bot - Researcher warns of new zero-day in Microsoft Exchange under exploit [08:55] TR News "Sophos Firewall v19.0 MR1 (19.0.1) and older are potentially vulnerable to the security bug in the User Portal and Webadmin of Sophos Firewall." https://portswigger.net/daily-swig/web-security-flaw-in-sophos-firewall-patched | Source: Port Swigger [08:55] TR Bot Web security flaw in Sophos Firewall patched | The Daily Swig [08:56] highest_cubist_thrills to to effect change would require a movement [08:56] highest_cubist_thrills there isnt one, and numerous efforts to start or salvage one already exist/ed [08:57] highest_cubist_thrills there isnt one <- or at least, there is no evidence of one [08:57] TR News "A spokesperson there told CyberScoop in an emailed statement that its National Intelligence Manager for the Air Domain" https://www.cyberscoop.com/odni-ufo-new-seal-in-error/ | Source: Scoop News Group [08:57] TR Bot with the UFO on a U.S. intelligence agency seal? - CyberScoop [08:57] highest_cubist_thrills i mean we might be surrounded by dead alien spirits like l ron hubbard says [08:57] highest_cubist_thrills but theres no evidence to support that [08:58] *eidolon has quit (Quit: nyaa~) [08:59] IPFS IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 36.26 k/sec., IPFS upstream 143.23 average k/sec., average swarm size 118.96 [08:59] TR News "Global Witness (GW) conducted a worldwide analysis that found that 200 land and environmental defenders were murdered in 2021." https://mexiconewsdaily.com/news/mexico-was-the-deadliest-country-for-environmental-activists-in-2021/ | Source: Mexico News Daily [08:59] TR Bot Mexico was deadliest country for environmental activists in 2021 ● Sep 30 [09:00] TR News "Thursday's research, which is not peer-reviewed, compared peak rainfall rates during the real storm to about 20 different computer scenarios of a model with Hurricane Ian's characteristics" https://abcnews.go.com/Technology/wireStory/study-finds-climate-change-added-10-ians-rainfall-90741965 | Source: ABC [09:00] TR Bot Study finds that climate change added 10% to Ian's rainfall - ABC News [09:00] highest_cubist_thrills leah talks a good game then disappears for a year (in terms of whatever they talk about) [09:00] highest_cubist_thrills i can hope that still works out [09:00] TR News "Between 2016 and 2021, the average climate damages of each bitcoin mined stood at 35% of its market value" https://www.forbes.com/sites/roberthart/2022/09/29/bitcoins-environmental-damage-is-on-par-with-beef-natural-gas-and-oil-study-suggests/ | Source: Forbes [09:00] TR Bot Bitcoins Environmental Damage Is On Par With Beef, Natural Gas And Oil, Study Suggests [09:01] TR News "Between 0.4% and 0.8% of domestic emissions, respectively, though the estimates are uncertain, the report said" https://www.cnbc.com/2022/09/08/crypto-mining-could-hinder-battle-against-climate-change-white-house.html | Source: CNBC [09:01] TR Bot Crypto mining could hinder battle against climate change: White House [09:01] schestowitz[TR] leah talks a good game then disappears for a year (in terms of whatever they talk about) [09:01] schestowitz[TR] or for a few months visible [09:01] schestowitz[TR] then vanish for years [09:01] schestowitz[TR] ime [09:01] highest_cubist_thrills leah is trying to do something nearly impossible so [09:01] schestowitz[TR] yeah [09:01] highest_cubist_thrills if it doesnt happen, i dont blame them [09:02] schestowitz[TR] but the stunts for attention are also unhelpful [09:02] schestowitz[TR] like boycott gnu [09:02] schestowitz[TR] than pro-rms [09:02] schestowitz[TR] soon anti-rms [09:02] schestowitz[TR] get attention to the business [09:02] highest_cubist_thrills your painting that as a stunt for attention is unfair [09:02] schestowitz[TR] but not consistent at all! [09:02] highest_cubist_thrills they said why that happened [09:02] highest_cubist_thrills and your take goes against any facts we have. [09:02] schestowitz[TR] i know things you do not [09:02] schestowitz[TR] about her [09:02] highest_cubist_thrills thats possible [09:02] highest_cubist_thrills unlikely. but possible. [09:03] TR News Apple found a way to distract from PLUNGING sales? https://cio.economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/brand-solution/apples-tech-supply-chain-shows-difficulty-of-dumping-china/94548586 | Source: India Times [09:03] TR Bot Apple Inc | Supply Chain: Apples tech supply chain shows difficulty of dumping China, CIO News, ET CIO [09:03] highest_cubist_thrills at any rate few have promoted ideas that would actually help free software. [09:03] highest_cubist_thrills and leah has. [09:03] highest_cubist_thrills so props for that. [09:03] TR News America Is an Oligarchy https://www.thenation.com/article/society/cbo-american-wealth-inequality/ | Source: The Nation [09:03] TR Bot Its Official: America Is an Oligarchy | The Nation [09:04] TR News Man fined for insulting asylum seekers on social media https://yle.fi/news/3-12644175 | Source: YLE [09:04] TR Bot Man fined for insulting asylum seekers on social media | News | Yle Uutiset [09:04] starstreak linucks [09:04] highest_cubist_thrills :) [09:04] *DaemonFC has quit (Quit: Leaving) [09:05] TR News "Three years ago, the RIAA began targeting YouTube ripping sites by sending relatively rare takedown requests to" Gulag https://torrentfreak.com/indie-record-label-leads-crackdown-on-youtube-downloaders-220929/ | Source: Torrent Freak [09:05] TR Bot Record Label Leads Crackdown on YouTube Downloaders * TorrentFreak [09:05] TR News "Rights Alliance and ISPs have agreed to update their code of conduct to block pirate sites more quickly in Denmark" https://torrentfreak.com/danish-piracy-blocking-updated-telecoms-group-publishes-all-domains-220929/ | Source: Torrent Freak [09:05] TR Bot Pirate Site Blocking Updated, Telecoms Group Publishes All Domains * TorrentFreak [09:05] starstreak i use 5.19.12-arch1-1 btw [09:06] highest_cubist_thrills https://yewtu.be/watch?v=H3OhtUtqY7Q [09:06] TR Bot The Beatles - Here Comes The Sun - Invidious [09:07] highest_cubist_thrills https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/6821-the-world-is-not-respectable-it-is-mortal-tormented-confused [09:07] starstreak from Mr. Robot: https://youtu.be/Z7OSSUwPVM4 [09:07] TR Bot Quote by George Santayana: The world is not respectable; it is mortal, tor... [09:07] TR Bot https://inv.riverside.rocks/watch?v=Z7OSSUwPVM4 [09:07] TR Bot inv.riverside.rocks | Perfume Genius - 'Queen' (Official Video) - Invidious [09:08] starstreak Who is your monster, Elliot? [09:08] TR News Musks latest lies https://www.techdirt.com/2022/09/29/musks-pledge-to-bring-starlink-to-iran-didnt-actually-do-anything-that-didnt-stop-the-hype-machine/ | Source: Techdirt [09:08] TR Bot Pledge To Bring Starlink To Iran Didnt Actually Do Anything. That Didnt Stop The Hype Machine. | Techdirt [09:08] TR News Climate https://truthout.org/articles/grassroots-climate-organizers-led-the-way-to-scrapping-manchins-dirty-deal/ | Source: TruthOut [09:08] TR Bot Grassroots Climate Organizers Led the Way to Scrapping Manchins Dirty Deal [09:09] highest_cubist_thrills /me would fucking love a box of chocolates right now [09:09] highest_cubist_thrills and the stores are full of halloween candy but tbh its shit [09:09] TR News More copyright trolls... one goes after me for 2 months already https://www.techdirt.com/2022/09/29/that-time-the-former-white-house-photographer-was-threatened-by-a-copyright-troll-over-his-own-public-domain-photo/ | Source: Techdirt [09:09] TR Bot Time The Former White House Photographer Was Threatened By A Copyright Troll Over His Own Public Domain Photo | Techdirt [09:09] highest_cubist_thrills i could go on rant about chocolate but the short version is: valentines and easter beat halloween. halloween candy is shit [09:10] highest_cubist_thrills https://youtu.be/Z7OSSUwPVM4 cool video [09:10] starstreak i love chocolate [09:11] highest_cubist_thrills /me makes an instant mocha (if you dont use shit ingredients it doesnt even matter that its instant) [09:11] highest_cubist_thrills people who hate instant are buying the wrong stuff [09:12] TR News "Weve noted repeatedly how the massive freak out over TikTok is kind of dumb and myopic, with folks singularly fixated on TikTok" https://www.techdirt.com/2022/09/29/the-great-tiktok-moral-panic-continues-as-white-house-fends-off-calls-for-a-ban-for-now/ | Source: Techdirt [09:12] TR Bot Great TikTok Moral Panic Continues As White House Fends Off Calls For A Ban. For Now. | Techdirt [09:12] highest_cubist_thrills granted when i make tea its from leaves [09:12] starstreak highest_cubist_thrills, you might like this from Mr Robot: https://youtu.be/nyx9wWFOH2c [09:12] TR Bot https://inv.riverside.rocks/watch?v=nyx9wWFOH2c [09:12] TR Bot inv.riverside.rocks | Mac Quayle - Mr. Robot "409.3 ACCOUNT OVERDRAWN" - Invidious [09:12] TR News "Maringela recounted similar thoughts at the time: When I went up there, I thought: worst-case scenario" https://jacobin.com/2022/09/king-charles-queen-elizabeth-coronation-protest-arrest/ | Source: Jacobin Magazine [09:13] TR Bot We Got Arrested Protesting Against King Charles III [09:13] TR News "No regime, no matter how debased, hesitated to rant about disinformation at the UN." https://www.frontpagemag.com/the-end-of-debate/ | Source: Frontpage Magazine [09:13] TR Bot The End of Debate | Frontpage Mag [09:14] schestowitz[TR] why does the "sjw" bridge not cancel zemlin for his ad his wif'e FRAUD? [09:14] schestowitz[TR] Fraud OK? [09:14] schestowitz[TR] staring at people not OK? [09:14] schestowitz[TR] then again, my question is... [09:14] schestowitz[TR] rhetorical [09:15] schestowitz[TR] the likes mjg59_, a serial defamer, work for billionaires [09:15] schestowitz[TR] by attacking the vuinerable who expose their crimes [09:15] schestowitz[TR] you just need to assess the targets of defamatrioon [09:16] schestowitz[TR] Assange, RMS, LT... [09:16] highest_cubist_thrills so far i like nearly everything from mr robot [09:16] TR News "The experiment is being run by the 4 Day Week Global coalition in collaboration with researchers at Cambridge University" https://www.computerworld.com/article/3674829/four-day-workweek-pilot-shows-wide-support-for-a-32-hour-week.html | Source: Computer World [09:16] TR Bot workweek pilot shows wide support for a 32-hour week | Computerworld [09:16] highest_cubist_thrills except janice and shes dead, which i like [09:17] starstreak did you see the scene where shes killed? [09:17] highest_cubist_thrills mmhmm :) [09:17] starstreak i love the music they used on the show [09:18] highest_cubist_thrills the likes mjg59_, a serial defamer, work for billionaires <- i used to fancy a girl who worked for george soros [09:18] starstreak "Don't you know your Queen" [09:18] highest_cubist_thrills she looked just like meg white <3 [09:18] TR News "This simply isnt true. Accessibility is a holistic practice that touches every aspect of creating a digital experience." https://ericwbailey.website/published/yes-accessibility-is-also-a-backend-concern/ | [09:18] TR Bot Yes, accessibility is also a backend concern Eric Bailey [09:18] starstreak highest_cubist_thrills, thats hardly unique, everyone works for george soros [09:19] mjg59_ The Mr Robot score is excellent [09:19] highest_cubist_thrills rofl ofc [09:20] IPFS () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-29.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-30.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi [09:20] mjg59_ And I think the show overall captures a great deal of what hacking actually is [09:20] starstreak mjg59_, its my favourite show of all time [09:20] highest_cubist_thrills yeah its gotta be the most realistic thing yet in that regard [09:20] mjg59_ Even if I fundamentally refuse to believe that Leon would run Slackware [09:20] mjg59_ Nothing about Leon says Slackware [09:20] starstreak mjg59_, i noticed that too! [09:20] TR News "The ITU was created to manage international telegraph networks but expanded its remit to new technology such as telephones" https://cio.economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/internet-of-things/five-things-to-know-about-the-un-telecoms-agency/94546662 | Source: India Times [09:20] TR Bot Five things to know about the UN telecoms agency, CIO News, ET CIO [09:21] highest_cubist_thrills /me isnt convinced slackware actually exists [09:21] TR News "There is no cloud, there is only other people's computers." https://pluralistic.net/2022/09/28/other-peoples-computers/#clouded-over | Source: CoryDoctorow [09:21] highest_cubist_thrills it sounds more like an urban legend [09:21] TR Bot Pluralistic: 28 Sep 2022 Maintaining monopolies with the cloud Pluralistic: Daily links from Cory Doctorow [09:21] starstreak mjg59_, i dont think Elliot would really run Linux Mint tbh [09:21] TR News "The Coalition for Fair Software Licensing argues that software agreements need to be more flexible and predictable for customers, including allowing the use of cloud services and programs from different providers." https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-09-27/software-makers-restrictive-license-rules-targeted-by-new-group | Source: Bloomberg [09:21] TR Bot - Are you a robot? [09:21] starstreak mjg59_, to me, Mr Robot would run gentoo or arch [09:21] highest_cubist_thrills i can make one argument for him running lint and its silly [09:21] TR News "The handwritten lyrics sold for five times as much as the 40,000 estimate." https://today.rtl.lu/entertainment/news/a/1971867.html | Source: RTL [09:21] TR Bot RTL Today - Unprecedented interest: David Bowie's handwritten 'Starman' lyrics sell for over 200,000 [09:21] highest_cubist_thrills /me was convinced by kali [09:22] starstreak highest_cubist_thrills, are you against linting in programming? [09:22] mjg59_ https://twitter.com/volkerdi/status/941454013060358145 - Slackware founder very upset at me complaining that Leon wouldn't run Slackware [09:22] TR Bot @mjg59 @tef Works fine. Also, not sure what all your butthurt is about. [09:22] highest_cubist_thrills Slackware founder very upset at me complaining that Leon wouldn't run Slackware <- seems like a small thing to get upset about [09:22] starstreak mjg59_, lol! [09:22] highest_cubist_thrills he should be happy that leon DOES run slackware. [09:23] mjg59_ A friend was a consultant, I tried to convince them to drop zero-day timed with an actual CVE release [09:23] highest_cubist_thrills are you against linting in programming? <- not in any fundamental way, why? [09:23] mjg59_ Apparently the lawyers said no [09:23] highest_cubist_thrills openbsd takes it to an extreme and thats fine. [09:23] TR News "'I deactivated Twitter, but still the death and rape threats came, via my website. These attacks were much harder to bear because my employers, who I'd thought were my friends, weren't defending me." https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-11259447/Former-childrens-author-opens-cancelled-standing-JK-Rowling.html [09:23] TR Bot Former children's author opens up on being cancelled after standing up for JK Rowling | Daily Mail Online [09:23] mjg59_ Blah blah apparently not responsible to disclose an SSH vulnerability on TV [09:23] TR News microsoft windows tco https://yle.fi/news/3-12643304 [09:23] TR Bot Supo: Finland subject of extensive state espionage | News | Yle Uutiset [09:24] highest_cubist_thrills apparently not responsible to disclose an SSH vulnerability on TV <- i would think [09:24] mjg59_ Oh cool now Roy's publicly defending transphobes [09:24] starstreak i can make one argument for him running lint and its silly <- [09:24] highest_cubist_thrills other than dfc, which transphobe is he defending (and how) [09:24] TR News "SeeedStudio recently launched the DeskPi Super6C CM4 Cluster board which can accommodate up to 6 Raspberry Pi CM4 modules." https://linuxgizmos.com/raspberry-pi-cm4-cluster-mini-itx-board-available-for-199/ | Source: Linux Gizmos [09:24] TR Bot ( status 520 @ https://linuxgizmos.com/raspberry-pi-cm4-cluster-mini-itx-board-available-for-199/ ) [09:25] highest_cubist_thrills and its silly <- its basically the same argument as tor pretending to be the most mainstream browser it can [09:25] highest_cubist_thrills because it doesnt identify as a specific (rare) thing. [09:25] mjg59_ By proxy here, JK Rowling [09:25] highest_cubist_thrills thats the only reason i can think of him to use [09:25] mjg59_ Not sure what it has to do with tech [09:25] starstreak mjg59_, he defends daemonfc so it can't be a surprise [09:26] mjg59_ I guess it's fine for him to bring up the topic, but not for anyone else [09:26] highest_cubist_thrills i think defending jk rowling by proxy is fine, given that i dont know what by proxy implies and until i do, i can hardly complain about it [09:26] highest_cubist_thrills defending her directly just shows you hate men more than you appreciate feminism. [09:26] mjg59_ Well, also that you hate trans women [09:26] highest_cubist_thrills im referring to her motivation [09:27] starstreak mjg59_, thank you for standing up for trans people :) [09:27] highest_cubist_thrills the people i consider trans women, she considers men [09:27] mjg59_ Ah, got you [09:27] mjg59_ That makes sense, thanks [09:27] highest_cubist_thrills but also i think she hates men and wants to be one. [09:28] highest_cubist_thrills its like homophobes who turn out to be gay [09:28] mjg59_ She lives in Scotland but loves the British crown so [09:28] highest_cubist_thrills She lives in Scotland but loves the British crown <- could have something to do with being INSANELY rich [09:28] starstreak highest_cubist_thrills, kinda like me, i used to be transphobic [09:28] highest_cubist_thrills i used to be transphobic <- wow [09:28] highest_cubist_thrills but yeah, happens [09:29] mjg59_ Oh to be fair I definitely said some transphobic shit like 20 years ago [09:29] mjg59_ Not out of hate but out of misunderstanding [09:29] highest_cubist_thrills im sure ive gotten trans ally shit wrong 100 times [09:29] highest_cubist_thrills because im pedantic as fuck [09:30] mjg59_ I've learned a lot since then [09:30] highest_cubist_thrills but after the pedantry subsides theres really nothing in the "trans agenda" i take issue with [09:30] mjg59_ Of course, Roy frames this as me cosplaying being trans somehow? [09:30] highest_cubist_thrills we do need to make sure the tap water isnt turning frogs gay though. [09:30] starstreak the trans agenda - to exist [09:31] highest_cubist_thrills Roy frames this as me cosplaying being trans <- roy is sloppy about you [09:31] mjg59_ Yeah I'm on team "water shouldn't contain hormones" [09:31] mjg59_ Unless you want it to [09:31] highest_cubist_thrills well i mostly mentioned the water because starstreak and i joke about alex jones a lot [09:31] starstreak its making the frogs gay! [09:32] highest_cubist_thrills im more concerned about pesticides from swiss pharm companies [09:32] highest_cubist_thrills but in that regard its more a concern about cancer than mass homosexuality [09:32] starstreak there was once a time when i was right wing and listened to alex jones seriously [09:32] starstreak then i grew up [09:32] highest_cubist_thrills i dont know, if hating a guy who abuses his family and is completely batshit inane is wrong, i dont want to be right [09:33] schestowitz[TR] Oh to be fair I definitely said some transphobic shit like 20 years ago [09:33] highest_cubist_thrills wait, i was trying to make a joke and i fucked it up :/ [09:33] schestowitz[TR] and now you cnacenl you old self [09:33] highest_cubist_thrills i meant liking-- oh well. [09:33] mjg59_ schestowitz[TR]: Uh yeah? [09:33] *starstreak waits for it [09:33] schestowitz[TR] you're a phony [09:33] schestowitz[TR] a liar [09:33] schestowitz[TR] a scam [09:33] schestowitz[TR] gtfo [09:33] schestowitz[TR] and leave us alone [09:34] mjg59_ Me being honest about my past is evidence I'm a phony and a liar? [09:34] schestowitz[TR] you are an arslehole andd liar [09:34] schestowitz[TR] and transophobe [09:34] schestowitz[TR] who now uses that as a wedge [09:34] schestowitz[TR] opportunist and liar [09:34] starstreak because he was transphobic 20 years ago? [09:34] schestowitz[TR] you even try to cancel gays [09:34] mjg59_ Can we dig into this some more? [09:34] starstreak people change [09:34] schestowitz[TR] starstreak: yes [09:34] schestowitz[TR] and now he pretends to be some champion [09:34] schestowitz[TR] and tries to ruin p[eople's career [09:35] schestowitz[TR] by LYING about them being transphobic [09:35] schestowitz[TR] bbl [09:35] highest_cubist_thrills Can we dig into this some more? <- id say its inevitable [09:35] mjg59_ What makes you believe I'm pretending anything here? [09:35] starstreak schestowitz[TR], i think its good that hes on our side now [09:35] schestowitz[TR] this tolling of his is a waste of time [09:35] schestowitz[TR] later [09:35] starstreak schestowitz[TR], our = trans people [09:35] highest_cubist_thrills roy isnt trans, hes just pretending to be :) [09:36] mjg59_ Huh I'd say that showing up, criticising someone, and then immediately being "bbl" is actually something that fits the definition of "trolling" [09:36] TR News "This will be a short one, but the reputation rehab project for Third Culture Bakery has begun." https://www.techdirt.com/2022/09/29/third-culture-bakery-celebrates-loss-of-mochi-muffin-trademark-with-giveaway/ | Source: Techdirt [09:36] TR Bot Culture Bakery Celebrates Loss Of Mochi Muffin Trademark With Giveaway | Techdirt [09:36] *GNUmoon2 has quit (connection closed) [09:36] *GNUmoon has quit (Remote host closed the connection) [09:36] mjg59_ What if Roy is the real troll [09:36] starstreak lol [09:36] starstreak he could be [09:36] highest_cubist_thrills i mean its technically his channel [09:36] *GNUmoon2 (~GNUmoon@e38kzwsbvddm6.irc) has joined #techrights [09:36] highest_cubist_thrills he at least gets a discount. [09:36] TR News "It really does feel like the legislative process regarding the tech world and privacy is a complete mess." https://www.techdirt.com/2022/09/29/is-californias-kids-code-screwing-up-the-efforts-for-a-federal-privacy-law/ | Source: Techdirt [09:36] TR Bot Californias Kids Code Screwing Up The Efforts For A Federal Privacy Law? | Techdirt [09:36] highest_cubist_thrills and by technically, i mean-- is [09:37] *GNUmoon (~GNUmoon@gateway/tor-sasl/gnumoon) has joined #techrights [09:37] highest_cubist_thrills or its ariadnes [09:37] starstreak it would be hilarious if Roy had been trolling for 20 years [09:37] highest_cubist_thrills either way [09:37] highest_cubist_thrills it would be hilarious if Roy had been trolling for 20 years <- fsvo {if, hilarious} [09:37] mjg59_ One of the reasons I care about fighting transphobia in free software now is because I'm aware that I was part of the problem a long time in the past [09:38] highest_cubist_thrills /me tries to imagine mjg being transphobic and just cant [09:38] starstreak 20 years ago everyone was transphobic [09:38] highest_cubist_thrills its not meant as a compliment or an insult [09:38] highest_cubist_thrills 20 years ago everyone was transphobic <- thats fair [09:38] mjg59_ And I want to help ensure that other people who are in the position I was 20 years ago have better advice [09:38] schestowitz[TR] take t to /#techpol [09:38] schestowitz[TR] this channel is about tech [09:38] schestowitz[TR] you are attackint the site by derailign the channel [09:39] highest_cubist_thrills #techrights for nazi shit, #techpol for trans rights [09:39] mjg59_ 09:23 < techrights-news> "'I deactivated Twitter, but still the death and rape threats came, via my website. These attacks were much harder to bear because my employers, who I'd thought were my friends, weren't defending me." [09:39] highest_cubist_thrills its complicated but im getting the hang of it [09:39] mjg59_ What did that have to do with tech [09:39] TR News "impossibility of getting AI or other automated systems to properly police" https://www.techdirt.com/2022/09/28/belly-buttons-and-napolean-poses-google-play-flags-android-game-for-inappropriate-content/ | Source: Techdirt [09:39] TR Bot Buttons And Napolean Poses: Google Play Flags Android Game For Inappropriate Content | Techdirt [09:40] schestowitz[TR] #techpol is not that [09:40] schestowitz[TR] it was in the past [09:40] schestowitz[TR] because of one person [09:40] schestowitz[TR] now it's a lot of XRevan86 giving updates on putin [09:40] highest_cubist_thrills yeah i like his updates [09:40] schestowitz[TR] this channel is for tech [09:40] schestowitz[TR] we'll steer people bakc on topuic [09:40] schestowitz[TR] oto keep proper s/n ratioo [09:40] highest_cubist_thrills transhumanism is about tech [09:40] mjg59_ What did you quoting a transphobic Daily Mail article have to do with tech [09:41] starstreak it was techrights news that brought out mjg59_ [09:41] TR News Notice how every single link from Red Hat has SURVEILLANCE in it (the link itself) https://www.redhat.com/en/blog/friday-five-september-30-2022-red-hat | Source: Red Hat Official [09:41] TR Bot Friday Five September 30, 2022 | Red Hat [09:41] highest_cubist_thrills the irc protocol is turning bots gay! [09:42] TR News "We are pleased to announce that Red Hat Satellite 6.11.3 is generally available as of September 29, 2022." https://www.redhat.com/en/blog/red-hat-satellite-6113-has-been-released | Source: Red Hat Official [09:42] TR Bot Red Hat Satellite 6.11.3 has been released [09:44] starstreak https://youtu.be/kgUDbvKYbWk [09:44] TR Bot https://invidious.snopyta.org/watch?v=kgUDbvKYbWk [09:44] TR Bot invidious.snopyta.org | Top 10 Ridiculous Alex Jones Moments - Invidious [09:45] TR News iophk: well that explains why Arse and the other shill sites are distracting within whines about compromised SSH passwords on "Linux" https://itwire.com/business-it-news/security/researcher-warns-of-new-zero-day-in-microsoft-exchange-under-exploit.html [09:45] TR Bot - Researcher warns of new zero-day in Microsoft Exchange under exploit [09:45] highest_cubist_thrills lol [09:45] TR News Passwords being bad, not "Linux" https://california18.com/new-malware-wreaks-havoc-on-windows-linux-and-routers/7118102022/ [09:45] TR Bot malware wreaks havoc on Windows, Linux and routers - California18 [09:46] TR News censorship drives people to the niche https://www.kxly.com/i/russell-brand-moves-to-rumble-amid-censorship-row/ [09:46] TR Bot Brand moves to Rumble amid censorship row - KXLY [09:46] TR News analyticsindiamag = microsoft propaganda rag, still https://analyticsindiamag.com/the-dark-side-of-open-source/ [09:46] TR Bot The Dark Side of Open Source [09:46] TR News 4dayweek blocked by gratuitous javascript https://www.4dayweek.com/news-posts/uk-four-day-week-pilot-mid-results [09:46] TR Bot At the halfway point of a UK 6-month trial of a day 4 week pilot programme feedback is flowing in. 4 Day Week Global [09:49] highest_cubist_thrills electromagnetic energy is turning alex jones into an enormous arsehole [09:50] TR News "watches stallmans eyes in last years video to see if hes blinking in morse code" http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-techrights-280922.html#tSep%2028%2000:25:44 [09:50] TR Bot IRC: #techrights @ Techrights IRC Network: Wednesday, September 28, 2022 [09:50] highest_cubist_thrills /me blames the sun https://yewtu.be/watch?v=H3OhtUtqY7Q [09:50] TR Bot The Beatles - Here Comes The Sun - Invidious [09:54] *horseface has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [09:56] starstreak highest_cubist_thrills, https://youtu.be/9JRLCBb7qK8 [09:56] TR Bot https://invidious.namazso.eu/watch?v=9JRLCBb7qK8 [09:56] TR Bot invidious.namazso.eu | Gay Frogs (Alex Jones REMIX) - Invidious [09:57] highest_cubist_thrills lol [09:58] starstreak they're turning the frogs gay [09:58] highest_cubist_thrills /me thinks the frogs were just looking for any excuse they could find [09:58] highest_cubist_thrills https://yewtu.be/watch?v=YTihsJQHt48 [09:58] TR Bot Bale Out - RevoLucian's Christian Bale Remix! - Invidious [09:58] starstreak highest_cubist_thrills, LOL [09:59] highest_cubist_thrills im way ahead of jones-- he hasnt even noticed that tap water is turning the seagulls lesbian [09:59] highest_cubist_thrills https://yewtu.be/watch?v=88sARuFu-tc ● Sep 30 [10:00] TR Bot Bronski Beat - Smalltown Boy (Official Video) - Invidious [10:02] starstreak lesbian seagull! [10:02] starstreak Beavis and Butthead - Do America :D [10:02] starstreak Beavis and Butthead - Do the universe is amazing [10:02] highest_cubist_thrills they did a sequel? [10:03] starstreak yeah [10:03] starstreak i've watched it 5 times already [10:03] starstreak its so good [10:03] highest_cubist_thrills ive never even heard of it [10:03] *psydroid2 has quit (connection closed) [10:03] starstreak its new [10:03] highest_cubist_thrills holy shit [10:03] highest_cubist_thrills youre not making it up? [10:04] starstreak no, its a new movie [10:04] starstreak only on paramount+ or the pirate bay [10:05] highest_cubist_thrills heh [10:05] starstreak i used to act like Beavis in grade 6 [10:06] highest_cubist_thrills beavis and butthead are pretty much the only reason i know who carmen electra is [10:06] highest_cubist_thrills i would say dennis rodman, but no [10:07] starstreak beavis and butthead season 8 - they watch Jersey Shore and Teen Mom [10:07] starstreak im uploading a present for you highest_cubist_thrills [10:09] highest_cubist_thrills if its a severed head im going to be very upset [10:15] highest_cubist_thrills beavis and butthead season 8 - they watch Jersey Shore <- thats basically meta [10:15] highest_cubist_thrills its like the episodes of doctor who where they have several doctors at once [10:20] IPFS () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-29.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-30.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi [10:22] starstreak beavis and butthead make fun of it [10:22] highest_cubist_thrills nice! [10:23] highest_cubist_thrills two of my favourite things [10:23] highest_cubist_thrills the office and paralegals [10:26] highest_cubist_thrills what class was this? [10:28] highest_cubist_thrills "some people say i write aggressive emails" :D [10:30] starstreak ethics class lol [10:30] highest_cubist_thrills ROFL XD [10:30] starstreak "break the law in your presentation" well okay [10:31] highest_cubist_thrills https://yewtu.be/watch?v=upFA3PJjxKQ [10:31] TR Bot Judas Priest - Breaking The Law with Beavis & Butthead - Invidious [10:36] highest_cubist_thrills youre ruthless in this [10:36] starstreak lol [10:36] highest_cubist_thrills its like watching a canadian version of the sopranos [10:39] highest_cubist_thrills "wheres our fuckin money, eh" [10:40] TR News "Linux is a very popular Operating System (OS) amongst programmers and regular users" https://www.tecmint.com/most-used-linux-commands/ | Source: TecMint [10:40] TR Bot Most Commonly Used Linux Commands You Should Know [10:40] TR News "As Linux users, we interact with the files and directories on a regular basis." https://www.tecmint.com/rmdir-command-examples/ | Source: TecMint [10:40] TR Bot Linux rmdir Command Examples for Beginners [10:42] TR News "A network manager often finds himself in situations where he has to change various network configurations." https://vitux.com/debian-network-interface-list/ | Source: Vitux [10:42] TR Bot Ways to List Network Interfaces in Debian 11 - VITUX [10:42] highest_cubist_thrills and theres even a very realistic "hacking" scene [10:42] TR News "Podman project has been reworking its process" https://opensource.com/article/22/9/podman-packages-linux | Source: OpenSource.com [10:42] TR Bot Podman packaging works on Linux | Opensource.com [10:43] TR News "Not that long ago, docking a laptop was a new idea to me" https://opensource.com/article/22/9/docking-linux-laptop | Source: OpenSource.com [10:43] TR Bot I dock my Linux laptop | Opensource.com [10:44] TR News "The other day I was testing how to keep file permissions intact while copying files or directories to multiple locations" https://ostechnix.com/execute-commands-on-remote-linux-systems-via-ssh/ | Source: OSTechNix [10:44] TR Bot Commands On Remote Linux Systems Via SSH - OSTechNix [10:44] highest_cubist_thrills kevin macleod is definitely illuminati [10:45] TR News "Web console access methods that utilize an SSH connection." https://www.redhat.com/en/blog/connecting-rhel-web-console-part-2-running-cockpit-web-server | Source: Red Hat Official [10:45] TR Bot Connecting to the RHEL web console, part 2: Running the Cockpit web server [10:45] highest_cubist_thrills all his arrangements fit the golden ratio and 333 [10:47] TR News "A symbolic link (also known as soft link) is a kind of shortcut to another file." https://linuxhandbook.com/follow-symbolic-link/ | Source: Linux Handbook [10:47] TR Bot How to Follow Symbolic Links in Linux [10:47] TR News "Are you deploying software using containers? Are you using Podman?" https://linuxhandbook.com/rootless-podman/ | Source: Linux Handbook [10:47] TR Bot Getting Started With Rootless Container Using Podman [10:51] starstreak https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k0cnMUroMlQ [10:51] TR Bot https://inv.riverside.rocks/watch?v=k0cnMUroMlQ [10:51] TR Bot inv.riverside.rocks | IT WORKS! GNOME, Firefox, KDE apps, everything!!!! - Invidious [10:51] starstreak Asahi Linux :D [10:51] starstreak linucks [10:52] TR News (NEW): Raspberry Pi CM4 cluster Mini-ITX board available for $199 http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/30/Raspberry_Pi_CM4_cluster_Mini_ITX_board_available_for_199.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/30/Raspberry_Pi_CM4_cluster_Mini_ITX_board_available_for_199.gmi [10:52] TR Bot Tux Machines Raspberry Pi CM4 cluster Mini-ITX board available for $199 [10:54] TR News (NEW): Open Hardware: Adafruit and SparkFun http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/30/Open_Hardware_Adafruit_and_SparkFun.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/30/Open_Hardware_Adafruit_and_SparkFun.gmi [10:54] TR Bot Tux Machines Open Hardware: Adafruit and SparkFun [10:59] IPFS IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 28.61 k/sec., IPFS upstream 166.65 average k/sec., average swarm size 135.73 ● Sep 30 [11:02] *horseface (~horseface@9ucczhkmm895g.irc) has joined #techrights [11:04] TR News United States of debt https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/09/29/gut-punch-biden-pulls-student-debt-relief-millions-gop-states-sue | Source: Common Dreams [11:04] TR Bot 'Gut Punch': Biden Pulls Student Debt Relief for Millions as GOP States Sue [11:05] highest_cubist_thrills /me thinks linucks sounds like more of an urban legend [11:06] highest_cubist_thrills you cant run a computer without windows [11:06] highest_cubist_thrills you install linucks and it just tells you to send bitdollars or something or it wont open your files [11:07] highest_cubist_thrills dont go to fake websites [11:08] highest_cubist_thrills and what are bitdollars, its just like chain emails or something. its twitter money-- you cant use that in the real world [11:09] TR News The Direction One's Toil Has Taken gemini://thurk.org/blog/574.gmi [11:10] TR News (NEW): Security Leftovers http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/30/Security_Leftovers.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/30/Security_Leftovers.gmi [11:10] TR Bot Tux Machines Security Leftovers [11:10] highest_cubist_thrills if you see a guy in a trench coat and he says "hey buddy, wanna buy a laptop" just keep walking until you get to best buy [11:10] schestowitz[TR] hehe [11:11] schestowitz[TR] how big a laptop? [11:11] schestowitz[TR] netbook maybe.. [11:11] schestowitz[TR] 17 inch laptop... the laptop would distort the coat [11:11] highest_cubist_thrills "no i gotta real workstation here" [11:11] schestowitz[TR] "hey kid, wanna buy a server raack?" [11:11] highest_cubist_thrills yeah but it runs some fake thing called ubuntu [11:12] schestowitz[TR] I want U [11:12] schestowitz[TR] for Buntu [11:12] highest_cubist_thrills its like a counterfeit windows [11:13] highest_cubist_thrills they used to have fake computers too-- like youd try to buy a pc and they had this "apple" thing [11:13] highest_cubist_thrills it looks like a computer but you cant even open the cd drive, what a ripoff [11:13] highest_cubist_thrills i had room mate that had one, it looked like a television and a lamp had some fun times together [11:14] highest_cubist_thrills thats definitely art but its not a computer [11:14] highest_cubist_thrills /me just wants to run word-- the real one [11:14] highest_cubist_thrills i dont like all these scams they have now [11:15] TR News Bribery and corruption should not be a "controversial" issue; any politicians who OPPOSES such rules should come under INVESTIGATION. https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/09/29/despite-nearly-80-voters-favor-house-dems-stall-stock-trading-ban | Source: Common Dreams [11:15] TR Bot Despite Nearly 80% of Voters in Favor, House Dems Stall on Stock Trading Ban [11:15] highest_cubist_thrills they have a fake yahoo called "google" or something [11:15] highest_cubist_thrills if people havent been to the real one how are they supposed to know the difference [11:16] highest_cubist_thrills they should take away googles internet license so they cant fake yahoo anymore [11:19] TR News On "therapists" https://www.commondreams.org/views/2022/09/29/denial-mental-healthcare-your-therapist-will-see-you-now-or-will-they | Source: Common Dreams http://techrights.org/2021/11/21/sending-linus-torvalds-to-therapists/ [11:19] TR Bot Opinion | Denial of Mental Healthcare: 'Your Therapist Will See You Now or Will They?' | Sal Rosselli [11:19] TR Bot [Meme] They Send Linus Torvalds to Therapists While Microsoft Pays Their Full Salary | Techrights [11:20] IPFS () Planet Gemini updated. 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[11:32] TR News newsom https://truthout.org/articles/newsom-reverses-course-and-signs-farmworker-union-bill-after-grassroots-pressure/ | Source: TruthOut [11:32] TR Bot Newsom Reverses Course and Signs Farmworker Union Bill After Grassroots Pressure [11:33] TR News And he's still not being arrested https://truthout.org/articles/trumps-lawyers-dodge-special-masters-questions-on-mar-a-lago-inventory-list/ | Source: TruthOut [11:33] TR Bot Trump's Lawyers Dodge Special Master's Questions on Mar-a-Lago Inventory List [11:35] psydruid Avahi Linux offered to you by GNOME Traitors [11:37] TR News Microsoft is enabling scams. It has causing many victims to lose everything. https://krebsonsecurity.com/2022/09/fake-ciso-profiles-on-linkedin-target-fortune-500s/ | Source: Krebs On Security [11:37] TR Bot Fake CISO Profiles on LinkedIn Target Fortune 500s Krebs on Security [11:39] schestowitz[TR] apple fans [11:39] schestowitz[TR] fsff si radical [11:39] schestowitz[TR] we need tim crook [11:39] schestowitz[TR] "shiiiiny [11:40] schestowitz[TR] psydruid: there are no processor companies in thw world [11:40] schestowitz[TR] just buy a mac [11:40] schestowitz[TR] m* [11:40] schestowitz[TR] *160 [11:40] schestowitz[TR] m16 [11:40] schestowitz[TR] m160 [11:40] schestowitz[TR] m6000000 [11:40] schestowitz[TR] you need a mac [11:40] schestowitz[TR] to run "linux" [11:41] TR News "First, these numbers show thatgovernment programswork." https://www.counterpunch.org/2022/09/30/anti-poverty-programs-work-and-new-census-data-proves-it/ | Source: Counter Punch [11:41] TR Bot Programs Work and New Census Data Proves It - CounterPunch.org [11:46] *horseface has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [11:55] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has left #techrights ● Sep 30 [12:18] TR News (NEW): Excellent Utilities: CopyQ advanced clipboard manager http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/30/Excellent_Utilities_CopyQ_advanced_clipboard_manager.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/30/Excellent_Utilities_CopyQ_advanced_clipboard_manager.gmi [12:18] TR Bot Tux Machines Excellent Utilities: CopyQ advanced clipboard manager [12:20] IPFS () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-29.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-30.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi [12:21] *MinceR just buys a big mac [12:23] MinceR 30 060526 < highest_cubist_thrills> "As a contributor to Cyberduck, you receive a registration key that disables the donation prompt that is displayed when quitting Cyberduck." [12:23] MinceR lol [12:23] schestowitz[TR] you can just shoplist it unnder the trencch coat [12:23] MinceR well, if it's "free software" then i can just edit the code to remove the nag screen [12:23] schestowitz[TR] barrier low on ram aagain [12:23] MinceR and publish that version [12:25] TR News Buckingham Palace https://www.thenation.com/article/world/queen-elizabeth-british-empire/ | Source: The Nation [12:25] TR Bot Queen Elizabeth Was No Mere Symbol | The Nation [12:26] MinceR 30 081912 < mjg59_> To be fair, you're amazingly unlikeable [12:26] MinceR ...by MICROS~1/dehomag munchkins [12:28] schestowitz[TR] mjg59_ found trand people amazingly unlikable when he was an adult in his 20s [12:28] schestowitz[TR] Oh to be fair I definitely said some transphobic shit like 20 years ago [12:30] schestowitz[TR] now he ropes them in to attack innocent people who are not even transphobic [12:30] schestowitz[TR] like rms and assange [12:30] MinceR 30 084208 < DaemonFC> Fedora has IceCat RPMs. [12:30] MinceR yeah, apparently fedora used to care about free software [12:30] MinceR then they went full systemd. [12:31] MinceR 30 084252 < mjg59_> DaemonFC: Oh, I'm polarising rather than unlikeable [12:31] MinceR funny how that works. [12:31] schestowitz[TR] mjg59_ did not mature or grow up until his 30s [12:31] schestowitz[TR] maybe by 40s he has pubes [12:32] schestowitz[TR] but I heard he's losing his hair rapidly [12:32] schestowitz[TR] so I doubt he reached puberty by 40s [12:32] MinceR 30 090211 < mjg59_> There's a clear argument that Microsoft were implicitly giving you permission to use what their model fed you, to the extent they could [12:32] schestowitz[TR] trans people have been around for longer than I was born [12:32] MinceR they'll just have you sign a massive legal document claiming they do not :> [12:32] schestowitz[TR] some of us didn't "definitely said some transphobic shit like 20 years ago" [12:32] schestowitz[TR] he did [12:32] schestowitz[TR] MachoMan from Oxbridge [12:36] MinceR 30 092644 < highest_cubist_thrills> and are routinely told basically "shut up and fork" whenever they complain [12:36] MinceR "CLOSED WONTFIX" [12:37] MinceR 30 093529 < highest_cubist_thrills> abolish corporations and software might be free. [12:37] MinceR abolish the state [12:37] MinceR then there will be no copyright [12:38] TR News (NEW): 32 Outstanding Linux Utilities to Maximize your Productivity http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/30/32_Outstanding_Linux_Utilities_to_Maximize_your_Productivity.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/30/32_Outstanding_Linux_Utilities_to_Maximize_your_Productivity.gmi [12:38] TR Bot Tux Machines 32 Outstanding Linux Utilities to Maximize your Productivity [12:38] TR News (NEW): : Google Android Leftovers http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/30/Android_Leftovers.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/30/Android_Leftovers.gmi [12:38] TR Bot Tux Machines Android Leftovers [12:39] MinceR 30 101428 < schestowitz[TR]> Fraud OK? [12:39] schestowitz[TR] copy 'right' [12:39] schestowitz[TR] it's a permission system [12:39] MinceR yes, it's what all of the self-proclaimed "elite" of our society is doing all the time [12:39] schestowitz[TR] i permit you to make a copy of my books [12:39] schestowitz[TR] or not [12:39] schestowitz[TR] it's not my ""god-given rights" [12:39] schestowitz[TR] it's a government system for control of works and distribution of works [12:40] schestowitz[TR] copyright existed about 1% of the times our species has been around [12:40] schestowitz[TR] 99% of the time humans had no copyrioght system [12:40] schestowitz[TR] and they didn't run ay risk of destroying the whole human civilisation [12:40] schestowitz[TR] climate, nukes, overpopulation.. [12:41] schestowitz[TR] 30 101428 < schestowitz[TR]> Fraud OK? [12:41] schestowitz[TR] fraud is OK [12:41] MinceR 30 102408 < mjg59_> Oh cool now Roy's publicly defending transphobes [12:41] MinceR you know it's possible to take an issue with _how_ people are trying to resolve their conflicts, right? [12:41] schestowitz[TR] just make sure you don't or never "said some transphobic shit like 20 years ago" like mjg59_ did as an adult man with a phd from cambridge [12:42] MinceR (notwithstanding that most likely both sides of that particular conflict are evil shits) [12:42] schestowitz[TR] 30 102408 < mjg59_> Oh cool now Roy's publicly defending transphobes [12:42] schestowitz[TR] i never publcly or privately defend mjg59_ [12:43] schestowitz[TR] I even critised the fsf openly [12:43] schestowitz[TR] for giving this transphobe an award [12:43] schestowitz[TR] just 10 years after he had said " some transphobic shit " [12:44] MinceR 30 134041 < schestowitz[TR]> and they didn't run ay risk of destroying the whole human civilisation [12:44] MinceR no one ever did [12:44] schestowitz[TR] wait [12:44] MinceR for there to be a risk of destroying human civilization, it is necessary for human civilization to exist [12:44] schestowitz[TR] ask starstreak first [12:44] MinceR and it never did [12:44] schestowitz[TR] she knows of imaginary beings [12:44] MinceR :> [12:44] schestowitz[TR] MinceR: the good news is, there are a lot more insects than mammals and birds [12:45] schestowitz[TR] in terms of biomass it's like 10 or more times greater [12:45] MinceR there probably won't be any, 1 billion years from now [12:45] schestowitz[TR] until we figure out how to eat them [12:45] schestowitz[TR] or turn fossil fuels into some kind of "foods" [12:45] schestowitz[TR] 1 billion is a very long time [12:45] schestowitz[TR] I don't even know if there won't be a nuclear strike 10 days from now [12:45] MinceR the Sun will blow the Earth's atmosphere away and boil away its water [12:45] schestowitz[TR] with 10 more strikes to follow [12:46] schestowitz[TR] before a ceasefallout [12:46] MinceR that's about the maximum life on Earth will last without intelligent lifeforms saving it [12:48] schestowitz[TR] sad truth.. [12:48] schestowitz[TR] sometimes you wonder about savings [12:48] schestowitz[TR] if you'll live long enough to use them [12:48] schestowitz[TR] due to external factors [12:48] schestowitz[TR] not health [12:48] schestowitz[TR] atm the value of money diminished fast [12:49] MinceR or whether they'll even have value [12:49] schestowitz[TR] people in poor country whom I talk to spend most of the money on food and power [12:49] MinceR considering inflation in orbanistan [12:49] schestowitz[TR] so the price of these doubling is catasrophic [12:49] schestowitz[TR] brb tea [12:49] schestowitz[TR] rianne calling [12:51] schestowitz[TR] back [12:52] schestowitz[TR] withn tea [12:52] schestowitz[TR] you know, some trans friedn told me they have his guts [12:52] schestowitz[TR] mjg59_ that is [12:52] schestowitz[TR] their words [12:52] schestowitz[TR] hate his guys [12:52] schestowitz[TR] he does not speak to them [12:52] schestowitz[TR] even attacks some of them [12:52] schestowitz[TR] and later he says I'm not likebal.e... LOOK WHO HE HANGS OUT WITH [12:52] schestowitz[TR] the people who implemented an EFF coup [12:53] schestowitz[TR] whom I openly condemned for it [12:53] schestowitz[TR] if they don't likely, it means I do something right. a badge of honour. [12:53] schestowitz[TR] putin does not like navalny [12:53] MinceR rip and tear his guts [12:53] schestowitz[TR] is that bad? [12:54] schestowitz[TR] i herad orban's tactics with putin did NOT keepm gas prices down [12:54] schestowitz[TR] i think telex said that [12:54] schestowitz[TR] so he looks like a dunce of putin [12:54] schestowitz[TR] and unlike lukashenko he does not get cheap energy either [12:54] MinceR his fan club doesn't mind [12:54] MinceR neither does putler's [12:54] schestowitz[TR] in our case, I'd say the energy price doubled in 2 years [12:54] schestowitz[TR] esp. electricity [12:54] schestowitz[TR] we don't use gas much [12:55] schestowitz[TR] in east europe double the energy bill is more %-wise [12:55] schestowitz[TR] also, further north the heating bills are more demanding [12:56] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has joined #techrights [12:56] schestowitz[TR] https://www.thenation.com/is-there-a-future-for-russian-independent-media/ [12:56] TR Bot Is There a Future for Russian Independent Media? | The Nation [12:57] schestowitz[TR] ok, time for daily links :> [12:57] schestowitz[TR] then.. articlesd [12:57] schestowitz[TR] heavy rain here today, nowhere to go :/ [12:57] psydruid schestowitz[TR]: it's a failure on the part of the other semiconductor companies that enables Apple [12:57] schestowitz[TR] psydruid: that's not entirely true [12:57] psydruid Apple isn't even doing that well [12:57] schestowitz[TR] i had this discussion with ar1diane [12:57] schestowitz[TR] *dne [12:58] schestowitz[TR] because ehe insisted buying a mac just foir the processor was good bang for the buck [12:58] schestowitz[TR] M1 [12:58] schestowitz[TR] not even so powerful [12:58] schestowitz[TR] and for laptop/desktop, what use? [12:58] schestowitz[TR] compiling? [12:58] psydruid it is, Intel and AMD don't sell the hardware I want [12:58] schestowitz[TR] video playback? [12:58] schestowitz[TR] encoding? [12:58] schestowitz[TR] real time ray tracing? [12:58] psydruid running GNU/Linux [12:58] schestowitz[TR] if you want a powerful laptop, get a server [12:58] schestowitz[TR] and offload the jobs to it [12:58] schestowitz[TR] the machine I use right now does light stuff [12:59] IPFS IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 24.36 k/sec., IPFS upstream 141.55 average k/sec., average swarm size 122.15 [12:59] psydruid x86 hardware is often just as expensive these days [12:59] schestowitz[TR] encoding is done in an energy-hungry intel CPU with SSD [12:59] schestowitz[TR] and here is the thing [12:59] schestowitz[TR] most of the time people don't max up the CPU [12:59] schestowitz[TR] maybe 90% of the time it's 90% idle [12:59] psydruid Intel and AMD should not get preferential treatment [12:59] schestowitz[TR] and 1% oif the time 100& [12:59] schestowitz[TR] % ● Sep 30 [13:00] schestowitz[TR] so you might want a server for workloads [13:00] schestowitz[TR] and then some CPU scaling for your client end [13:00] psydruid that doesn't mean I'm a fan of any of these companies [13:00] psydruid indeed [13:00] schestowitz[TR] Intel and AMD should not get preferential treatment [13:00] schestowitz[TR] they promtect a monopoly [13:00] schestowitz[TR] like fossil fuel [13:00] schestowitz[TR] or a monoculture [13:00] schestowitz[TR] KSA does not want countries to have large solar arrays [13:01] schestowitz[TR] it would harm imports from aramco etc [13:01] schestowitz[TR] so they gang upo [13:01] schestowitz[TR] bribe politicians [13:01] schestowitz[TR] bribe some silicon valley firms [13:01] psydruid no Intel, no AMD, no Apple and no Nvidia [13:01] schestowitz[TR] and ensure people still depend on polluting oil [13:01] psydruid KSA can go to hell [13:01] schestowitz[TR] it has a room reserved there [13:02] schestowitz[TR] excepot for the women [13:02] schestowitz[TR] they are the victims [13:02] schestowitz[TR] they can take the ladder upstairs [13:04] TR News Antitrust... and EFF not disclosing that it TOOK MONEY from Gulag https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2022/09/google-loses-appeal-against-eus-record-antitrust-fine-will-big-tech-ever-change | Source: EFF [13:04] TR Bot Google Loses Appeal Against EU's Record Antitrust fine, But Will Big Tech Ever Change? | Electronic Frontier Foundation [13:06] frog meanwhile zipping together a minimal package-set passing without GNU-toolchain/buildsystem [13:06] psydruid I'm all for more competition, lower prices and lower power consumption with commodity ARM and RISC-V hardware [13:06] psydruid but I can understand that some people buy Apple hardware to run free operating systems for now, while Intel and AMD have completely lost it [13:06] frog 16MiB compressed, after removing shared libs (not required, it's all statically linked), it's gonna be even smaller [13:07] TR News "The border between Russia and Georgia is closed to pedestrians, cyclists, and scooters" https://meduza.io/en/news/2022/09/29/the-russia-georgia-border-is-now-closed-to-bicycles-and-scooters-witnesses-say | Source: Meduza [13:07] TR Bot NO TITLE [13:07] frog i mean, together with a kernel, that will be a linux distro of ~32MiB total [13:07] schestowitz[TR] scientes: ^^ [13:07] psydruid I would gladly cook MBS on an x86 processor and feed him to some mythical creature [13:08] schestowitz[TR] does shit burn? [13:09] psydruid 241W is the latest for a "gaming" processor [13:09] psydruid did we go 20 years back in time? [13:10] TR News Putin does not need a death sentence when he gets to arbitrarily choose who gets drafted to fight in a war he's losing [13:10] schestowitz[TR] psydruid: no [13:10] schestowitz[TR] back then the CPUs did not take that much power [13:11] schestowitz[TR] and the games were not very demanding eother [13:11] psydruid Pentium4 [13:11] schestowitz[TR] the PFS obsession came later [13:11] schestowitz[TR] sorry [13:11] schestowitz[TR] typo [13:11] schestowitz[TR] Frames per second [13:11] schestowitz[TR] for first person shooter [13:11] psydruid crap still remains crap [13:11] schestowitz[TR] after wolfenstein etc. [13:11] schestowitz[TR] which changes the concept of hgames [13:11] schestowitz[TR] no more spires moving along vertically and hosrizontally [13:12] schestowitz[TR] but pseudo-3d [13:12] schestowitz[TR] *sprites [13:12] schestowitz[TR] so then came GPUs [13:12] schestowitz[TR] to render with a rendering language into rasper space faster [13:12] psydruid I'm not more harsh on Apple ("a lifestyle company") than I am on the other companies [13:12] schestowitz[TR] on screens with too high a resolution [13:13] schestowitz[TR] Apple is exaclt that [13:13] psydruid I had an AMD Athlon myself [13:13] schestowitz[TR] this is whyt they closely control their image and adevrtising [13:13] schestowitz[TR] like paying hollywood for movie placement [13:13] schestowitz[TR] and for cleebs to fake standing in line for some new 'i' shit [13:13] psydruid then the other companies need to make better products than Apple does [13:13] schestowitz[TR] theysell people the lie Jobs hd a good life [13:13] schestowitz[TR] he had a shit life [13:13] schestowitz[TR] and died young [13:13] psydruid it's as simple as that [13:13] schestowitz[TR] some people eho know him mightg say it contributed to his cancer [13:14] schestowitz[TR] and if you buy enough 'i' things you will live that mythical lifestyle too [13:14] schestowitz[TR] only if you keep buying the latest [13:14] schestowitz[TR] as if some 'i' 'phone' sendinf you notifications while you sleep is healthy [13:14] psydruid I don't have any Apple hardware other than some old Powermacs to run GNU/Linux [13:15] psydruid I bought them used [13:15] psydruid 50 a piece [13:20] IPFS () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-29.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-30.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi [13:22] schestowitz[TR] good [13:23] schestowitz[TR] what are the specs? [13:23] schestowitz[TR] POWER would be circa 2010? [13:23] schestowitz[TR] if the later models.. [13:23] schestowitz[TR] yellowdog linus used to target those [13:23] schestowitz[TR] *linus [13:23] schestowitz[TR] *linux [13:27] frog i am having some problem still, with GNU-toolchain/buildsystem blocked and removed, there isn't any ports-tree anywhere i could easily move to [13:27] frog even if, then i need to verify any individual package, and rewrite it's packaging and makefile, almost always [13:31] frog git or rsync desired... well, that's a hackjob of a day or two at least [13:32] frog and i won't accept any autotools pre-generated configure/makefile anymore anywhere [13:35] frog i mean, even the *BSD pkgsrc trees are excluded, because those too won't pass with the acceptance criteria [13:36] *horseface (~horseface@eyhheeetesyic.irc) has joined #techrights [13:36] frog the BSD base-systems themselves could, yet even then their move to llvm is unacceptable [13:38] TR News The taxpayers left with the bill.. https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/09/29/analysis-exposes-taxpayer-billions-wasted-dead-end-carbon-capture-schemes | Source: Common Dreams [13:38] TR Bot Analysis Exposes Taxpayer Billions 'Wasted' on Dead-End Carbon Capture Schemes [13:42] frog the current package set of ~50 builds is still a considerable amount of maintenance effort, because each individual requires a re-integraton into any package-manager and dependency tracking [13:42] frog and i haven't decided yet which package manager [13:42] schestowitz[TR] why any? [13:43] schestowitz[TR] wget | ... [13:43] schestowitz[TR] since your system likely sucks anyway, why make it easier with download manager [13:43] schestowitz[TR] just throw in some arcane, unmaintained compiler [13:43] schestowitz[TR] and blame the use for wanting to compile something that can accomplish things [13:44] frog why? [13:44] frog GNU-toolchain and GNU-buildsystem themselves do NOT pass MINIMUM acceptance criteria [13:44] frog regardless of any package manager chosen later [13:45] schestowitz[TR] if people want a minimalist system with apackage manager, they can get easyos or p[uppey [13:45] schestowitz[TR] sure, they use a github account [13:45] schestowitz[TR] but so do you [13:46] *horseface has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [13:46] frog not sure how github was related, i am having difficulty still to re-integrate dev-vcs/git itself, regradless of where any git repository was hosted [13:47] frog furtheremore, there isn't any other distribution which blocks and removes GNU-toolchain and buildsystem themselves [13:47] frog i don't care, how they namecall themselves, puppey or easy or whatever, those systems do not pass minimum acceptance criteria [13:47] schestowitz[TR] they don't [13:48] schestowitz[TR] but that's a subjective criterion [13:48] schestowitz[TR] i still don't understand your criteeria [13:48] schestowitz[TR] because they seem inconsistent [13:48] schestowitz[TR] it's basically "aggi doesn't like this" [13:48] frog the criteria are not subjective, and i can explain in great detail what the criteria are [13:48] schestowitz[TR] put it on a site [13:49] frog which conclusion to arrive at, this might differ, and i do not dispute if anyone else doesn't follow criteria [13:49] schestowitz[TR] youe have basically declared gnu unfit [13:49] schestowitz[TR] all the projects [13:49] schestowitz[TR] hundreds of them [13:49] schestowitz[TR] written by different people [13:49] schestowitz[TR] and you say it's not because o the licence [13:49] schestowitz[TR] but code quality [13:49] schestowitz[TR] as if you check their toolchain [13:49] schestowitz[TR] they don't all use the same toolchains either [13:49] schestowitz[TR] some are standing on their own [13:49] frog yes, software quality, and fundemental issues with GNU-toolchain and buildsystem themselves [13:49] schestowitz[TR] ii depends on c libs [13:50] schestowitz[TR] suckless in general has deps too [13:50] frog sure, and libc is a huge headache remaining still [13:50] schestowitz[TR] you moan abotu software quality but you barely wrote any porogram of your own [13:50] schestowitz[TR] you shows me one [13:50] schestowitz[TR] and it was poorly documented [13:50] schestowitz[TR] impossible to know what it was doing [13:50] frog i wrote some kernel crypto module [13:51] schestowitz[TR] with weird variable names [13:51] frog and recently picked up and re-implemented some suckless component to replace sudo/doas [13:51] schestowitz[TR] both are bad design [13:51] schestowitz[TR] I use su [13:52] schestowitz[TR] suedo has many flaws all the time [13:52] schestowitz[TR] not sure about doas [13:52] frog anyway, that's unrelated to the fundemental quality problems of GNU toolchain and buildsystem [13:52] frog if you use that, you lost [13:52] schestowitz[TR] lost one user [13:52] schestowitz[TR] aggi [13:52] schestowitz[TR] what distro do you use right now? [13:52] schestowitz[TR] for irc? [13:52] schestowitz[TR] gentoo? [13:52] frog i am not using any distro anymore [13:53] schestowitz[TR] i think you are [13:53] frog none of it is maintained [13:53] schestowitz[TR] you didn't compile the one you use right now from source, not without lfs [13:53] schestowitz[TR] lfs is also a distro [13:53] schestowitz[TR] what shows up in your boot screen [13:53] schestowitz[TR] surely you are running a distro now [13:54] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has left #techrights [13:54] frog what i bundled, almost all of it, is custom-made and patched [13:54] schestowitz[TR] pause [13:54] schestowitz[TR] but what did you build on? [13:54] schestowitz[TR] did you egwt from kernel.org? [13:54] schestowitz[TR] and then make a bootable disk with it? [13:54] schestowitz[TR] *wget [13:55] frog wget is a problem remaining still [13:55] schestowitz[TR] so you use some distro [13:55] schestowitz[TR] but you won't admit it [13:55] frog for userspace, i'll continue with toybox [13:55] frog what? [13:55] frog besides, perl/python/bash are entirely removed from the profile too already [13:56] schestowitz[TR] what distro are you on irc with? [13:56] frog NONE [13:56] schestowitz[TR] that handles your network and interfaqce [13:56] frog it is my own self-made gcc47 c-only toolchain profile [13:56] schestowitz[TR] so you are on linux 2.4.x now? [13:56] schestowitz[TR] on irc? [13:56] frog i got two profiles [13:56] schestowitz[TR] toolchain profile? [13:56] schestowitz[TR] or OS? [13:56] frog gcc47 c-only, kernel-5.10; the tcc-only profile will be linux-2.4 [13:57] schestowitz[TR] toolchain profile does not give you a full system [13:57] schestowitz[TR] did you compile linux 5.x with gcc 4x [13:57] frog i don't know yet how to namecall this: without python/perl/bash... what it is [13:57] schestowitz[TR] ? [13:58] schestowitz[TR] and then boot into that kernel for irc? [13:58] starstreak This is how TempleOS was made... [13:58] schestowitz[TR] TempleOS died early [13:58] frog i compile a kernel, oksh, dmux desktop environment, and catgirl irc... it's pretty much all custom-made [13:58] schestowitz[TR] which kernel? [13:59] schestowitz[TR] you compiled new linux with very old gcc? [13:59] frog yes [13:59] schestowitz[TR] you are probably on gentoo right now [13:59] frog i am not anymore, python is removed [13:59] frog yes, and it was very much work, to accomplish this [13:59] schestowitz[TR] so it's based on gentoo ● Sep 30 [14:00] frog it isn't anymore [14:00] schestowitz[TR] anymore? [14:00] frog it is two profiles: gcc47/c-only, this profile isn't maintained by gentoo at all, just saying [14:00] schestowitz[TR] if I take debian [14:00] schestowitz[TR] and make a derivative of it [14:00] schestowitz[TR] it's still debian based [14:00] frog and next, GNU, python/perl/bash are fully removed [14:01] schestowitz[TR] ok, so you customised your gentoo [14:01] schestowitz[TR] to use older stuff [14:01] schestowitz[TR] and fewer things [14:01] schestowitz[TR] well done [14:01] schestowitz[TR] just admit it [14:01] frog yes, the c-only profile is well done [14:01] schestowitz[TR] ok [14:01] schestowitz[TR] nice [14:01] frog but, this doesn't suffice, GNU must be removed, python must be, perl, bash [14:02] schestowitz[TR] so you take gentoo [14:02] schestowitz[TR] and lessen the deps [14:02] frog certainly not [14:02] schestowitz[TR] until you get what you wanted [14:02] schestowitz[TR] gentoo is a t emplate anyway [14:02] schestowitz[TR] like lfs with more assebly pre-delivered [14:02] schestowitz[TR] and less than arch [14:02] frog gentoo doesn't maintain any tree for what i do [14:03] frog go for it, gentoo, and see what you get [14:03] schestowitz[TR] chromeos removed a lot from gentoo [14:03] schestowitz[TR] and added a TON of malwaare [14:03] frog i remove all of it, and push further, removing GNU toolchain and buildsystem too [14:04] MinceR (no audio) https://apina.biz/192084.webm?mode=sfw [14:04] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-http://apina.biz/192084.webm [14:04] frog it is good to see, my dmux desktop environment too already is available [14:05] frog but there is many important pieces missing [14:05] starstreak frog, what is your target audience? [14:05] frog and i need to review ALL ebuilds in great detail [14:05] MinceR https://i.ibb.co/kyDMjsY/unknown-6.png [14:05] frog starstreak: suffices to say, removing GNU will ring some bells in the ears where it should [14:06] starstreak Paradise Linucks - Linucks for Schitzophrenics [14:06] MinceR btw [14:07] starstreak he says GNU is evil but he bundles their compiler [14:07] *GNUmoon has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) [14:07] frog who? i won't bundle their compiler/toolchain. [14:07] starstreak gcc47 [14:07] frog that's the archived/frozen profile [14:08] schestowitz[TR] Paradise Linucks - Linucks for Schitzophrenics [14:08] schestowitz[TR] Schitzophrenics dual boot [14:08] schestowitz[TR] and can master the dfuality [14:08] schestowitz[TR] but two distros means more ATTACK SURFACE [14:08] starstreak Attack surface! [14:08] frog i will never publish any software with GNU-toolchain/buildsystem involved, this doesn't pass minimum acceptance criteria of mine [14:08] frog if anyone else wants to publish, go for it [14:09] schestowitz[TR] you wrote very little software [14:09] schestowitz[TR] and you have "minimum acceptance criteria" [14:09] schestowitz[TR] like you'r a a federal/bundes agency [14:09] starstreak Paradise Linucks isn't a very good name either, you should call it Lunatic Linucks [14:09] frog i wrote much software, many years [14:09] schestowitz[TR] maybe proprietry [14:10] schestowitz[TR] i saw only one program [14:10] schestowitz[TR] in your microsoft github account [14:10] schestowitz[TR] (proporietary) [14:10] frog yes, the last project, java, i didn't own my own work, to publish it [14:10] starstreak frog is so devoted to the cause that he threw star trek and big bang theory dvds into the trash [14:11] frog where it belongs, together with most "free software" [14:11] starstreak you probably could have sold them :/ [14:12] frog what GNU/FSF don't say is this, they created a gigantic vendor-lock against their toolchain/buildsystem [14:12] frog regardless of the license [14:12] starstreak isn't it free software? [14:13] frog it is. but it is vendor-locked, has severe quality issues, and cannot be detangled to salvage it easily [14:13] frog and they crossed one or another red line beyond what i could compromise with [14:15] starstreak Paradise Linucks - Boots directly into a text prompt. startx doesn't work NOOB [14:15] frog good news is, i still got a decent compiler/toolchain, i still got an almost complete userspace, i still got development utilities, dmux desktop environment [14:15] frog however, i need to review any individual package in detail, rewrite the build-system/makefiles for most of what is missing still [14:15] frog and that's very much work [14:16] frog it is feasible, but i don't know, how much time for this remains [14:17] TR News Rafael Correa https://scheerpost.com/2022/09/29/rafael-correa-they-have-already-destroyed-assange/ | Source: Scheerpost [14:17] TR Bot Correa: They Have Already Destroyed Assange scheerpost.com [14:20] IPFS () Planet Gemini updated. 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[15:40] *techuser (~techuser@6v8cjbvydcdre.irc) has joined #techrights [15:41] TR News Links 30/09/2022: *buntu 22.10 Beta and Linux Mint 21.1 Plans | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/09/30/linux-mint-21-1-plans/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/09/30/linux-mint-21-1-plans/ [15:41] TR Bot Links 30/09/2022: *buntu 22.10 Beta and Linux Mint 21.1 Plans | Techrights [15:43] TR News (NEW): Programming Leftovers http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/30/Programming_Leftovers.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/30/Programming_Leftovers.gmi [15:43] TR Bot Tux Machines Programming Leftovers [15:43] TR News (NEW): Today's Leftovers http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/30/today_s_leftovers.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/30/today_s_leftovers.gmi [15:43] TR Bot Tux Machines today's leftovers ● Sep 30 [16:20] IPFS () Planet Gemini updated. 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[16:54] MinceR :> [16:59] IPFS IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 12.55 k/sec., IPFS upstream 167.31 average k/sec., average swarm size 122.43 ● Sep 30 [17:18] highest_cubist_thrills well, if it's "free software" then i can just edit the code to remove the nag screen <- theres two things wrong with thi [17:18] highest_cubist_thrills which is probably why the quote marks [17:19] highest_cubist_thrills first is thats the same reason they shouldnt put anti features in. jmz pulled the same shit with his fucking screensavers. [17:19] highest_cubist_thrills mageia pulled the same shit with a eula, but that wasnt free software / whatever [17:20] IPFS () Planet Gemini updated. 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[17:20] highest_cubist_thrills but the other thing is that shit isnt forkable anymore [17:20] TR News (NEW): Linux Mint 21.1 Code Name Revealed, Coming Up on Christmas http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/30/Linux_Mint_21_1_Code_Name_Revealed_Coming_Up_on_Christmas.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/30/Linux_Mint_21_1_Code_Name_Revealed_Coming_Up_on_Christmas.gmi [17:20] TR Bot Tux Machines Linux Mint 21.1 Code Name Revealed, Coming Up on Christmas [17:20] highest_cubist_thrills bloat makes it a bitch to compile, and for the most part people dont care. heres your binary, stick it up your arse and dont complain. [17:21] *starstreak has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [17:21] highest_cubist_thrills we dont support that architecure. that version. [17:21] highest_cubist_thrills that init system [17:21] highest_cubist_thrills ofc im preaching to the choir here, so at least theres that [17:21] highest_cubist_thrills plus its github anyway [17:23] TR News Profit above all else gemini://altesq.net/~evenfire/posts/profit-above-all-else.gmi [17:24] highest_cubist_thrills stick it up your arse and dont complain. <- (c) 2022 alphabet, inc [17:24] highest_cubist_thrills android, the free and open source proprietary operating system [17:24] TR News "Writer's block sucks. Though the only way to get past it is to write, which is quite paradoxical." gemini://altesq.net/~evenfire/posts/absence.gmi [17:27] TR News Spamnil and Co shilling "Azure Marketplace" [17:28] TR News How to try out Ubuntu 22.10 early https://www.addictivetips.com/ubuntu-linux-tips/how-to-try-out-ubuntu-22-10-early/ try Windows... 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It's raising CORPORATE money but wants you to chip in, TOO. https://www.phoronix.com/news/Cloud-Hypervisor-27 [17:37] TR Bot Microsoft & Arm Continue Advancing The Cloud-Hypervisor With v27 Released - Phoronix [17:39] TR News Limine resolution fix in initrd https://bkhome.org/news/202209/limine-resolution-fix-in-initrd.html [17:39] TR Bot Limine resolution fix in initrd [17:48] TR News IRC Proceedings: Thursday, September 29, 2022 Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/09/30/irc-log-290922/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/09/30/irc-log-290922/ [17:48] TR Bot IRC Proceedings: Thursday, September 29, 2022 | Techrights [17:48] TR News (NEW): Today's HowTos http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/30/today_s_howtos.2.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/30/today_s_howtos.2.gmi [17:48] TR Bot Tux Machines today's howtos [17:49] *starstreak (~starstreak@muarsy2vret2q.irc) has joined #techrights [17:55] TR News (NEW): This Extension Adds Bluetooth Management to GNOME Quick Settings http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/30/This_Extension_Adds_Bluetooth_Management_to_GNOME_Quick_Setting.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/30/This_Extension_Adds_Bluetooth_Management_to_GNOME_Quick_Setting.gmi [17:55] TR Bot Tux Machines This Extension Adds Bluetooth Management to GNOME Quick Settings [17:57] TR News Doom Playthrough E1M1 - E1M9 on Ultra-Violence // Brutal Doom https://yewtu.be/watch?v=yLA3WM2byOY | Gemini address: gemini://auragem.space/youtube/video/yLA3WM2byOY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yLA3WM2byOY [17:57] TR Bot ( status 500 @ https://yewtu.be/watch?v=yLA3WM2byOY ) [17:57] TR Bot https://yewtu.be/watch?v=yLA3WM2byOY [17:59] TR News Stadia joins huge list of Google services in the graveyard https://itwire.com/entertainment/stadia-joins-huge-list-of-google-services-in-the-graveyard.html [17:59] TR News 'Donations' in fakemoney. Sign of doom? https://www.qubes-os.org/news/2022/09/29/qubes-os-project-now-accepting-donations-on-ethereum/ ● Sep 30 [18:00] TR Bot - Stadia joins huge list of Google services in the graveyard [18:00] TR Bot The Qubes OS Project is now accepting donations on Ethereum! | Qubes OS [18:01] TR News (NEW): New Cyber Bill Aims To Fix Open-Source Security in Government http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/30/New_Cyber_Bill_Aims_To_Fix_Open_Source_Security_in_Government.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/30/New_Cyber_Bill_Aims_To_Fix_Open_Source_Security_in_Government.gmi [18:01] TR Bot Tux Machines New Cyber Bill Aims To Fix Open-Source Security in Government [18:05] TR News This bill is actually about discriminating against Free software http://techrights.org/2022/09/28/discriminating-against-free-software/ [18:05] TR Bot Attempts to Legislate Against Free Software in Order to Elbow Such Software Aside | Techrights [18:05] TR News Maybe it should have said Marketing rather than "Exclusive" https://news.itsfoss.com/tuxedo-os/ [18:05] TR Bot [Exclusive] Tuxedo Makes Ubuntu-based 'TUXEDO OS' Available For All [18:06] TR News What Microsoft-bribed media has been distracting from lately https://itwire.com/security/microsoft-investigating-two-zero-days-affecting-exchange-server.html [18:06] highest_cubist_thrills /me builds a #techpol / #techrights bridge >:) [18:07] starstreak lol [18:07] schestowitz[TR] oh, the bill thing? [18:07] highest_cubist_thrills And that in no means would justify the invasion of Canada by the US. <- is a reason really necessary though [18:07] schestowitz[TR] it's politics against freesw [18:07] highest_cubist_thrills they have oil, that should be enough [18:07] highest_cubist_thrills though a lot of that is actually crude maple [18:07] TR Bot - Microsoft investigating two zero-days affecting Exchange Server [18:08] highest_cubist_thrills unrefined and unprocessed [18:08] TR News Security updates for Friday https://lwn.net/Articles/909947/ [18:08] TR Bot updates for Friday [LWN.net] [18:08] highest_cubist_thrills they have healthcare, and the domino effect is a real threat [18:08] highest_cubist_thrills left unchecked, healthcare could spread to the west [18:08] schestowitz[TR] hudreds of meters from us, today [18:08] schestowitz[TR] https://www.mancity.com/citytv/mens/manchester-city-training-video-29-september-63800065 [18:08] TR Bot Training: Foden free-kick masterclass [18:09] highest_cubist_thrills at least canada is smart enough to avoid bringing dentists into this [18:09] XRevan86 highest_cubist_thrills: Obviously to protect the American population from the Ottawa junta. [18:09] highest_cubist_thrills Obviously to protect the American population from the Ottawa junta. <- rightly so! [18:10] TR News Embrace, extend, extinguish: "driver within Mesa for benefiting Windows Subsystem for Linux (WSL2)" https://www.phoronix.com/news/Microsoft-AV1-D3D12-Decode phoronix still trying to help them [18:10] TR Bot Adds AV1 Decode Support To Their Mesa D3D12 Driver - Phoronix [18:10] TR News "WSL2 getting full hardware accelerated video support faster than native Linux? This really isn't a good sign..." https://www.phoronix.com/forums/forum/phoronix/latest-phoronix-articles/1349129-microsoft-adds-av1-decode-support-to-their-mesa-d3d12-driver [18:10] TR Bot Adds AV1 Decode Support To Their Mesa D3D12 Driver - Phoronix Forums [18:11] scientes Phoronix is not news [18:11] TR News "Unfortunately, Windows isn't hampered by royalties and licenses and all that kind of legalese bullshit that holds Linux back." https://www.phoronix.com/forums/forum/phoronix/latest-phoronix-articles/1349129-microsoft-adds-av1-decode-support-to-their-mesa-d3d12-driver [18:11] scientes I mean, if LWN didn't exist people might mistake it for news [18:11] scientes but it still isn't news [18:12] TR News (NEW): qBittorrent 4.5.0 Beta 1 - NeowiqBittorrent 4.5.0 Beta 1 http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/30/qBittorrent_4_5_0_Beta_1_NeowiqBittorrent_4_5_0_Beta_1.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/30/qBittorrent_4_5_0_Beta_1_NeowiqBittorrent_4_5_0_Beta_1.gmi [18:12] TR Bot Tux Machines qBittorrent 4.5.0 Beta 1 - NeowiqBittorrent 4.5.0 Beta 1 [18:12] schestowitz[TR] LWN is not news either [18:12] schestowitz[TR] except for kernel stuff [18:13] schestowitz[TR] and security listings (patches) [18:13] scientes the security stuff isn't news [18:13] scientes Linus Torvalds is correct about the "security" junkos [18:14] scientes (although he has little interest in something like SeL4 which actually wants to be secure....) [18:14] schestowitz[TR] yeah [18:14] schestowitz[TR] "masturbating moneys" [18:14] schestowitz[TR] strong words [18:14] schestowitz[TR] but they likely deserve it [18:14] schestowitz[TR] he didn't addreess anyone in particular [18:14] scientes old Linus [18:14] schestowitz[TR] before bollocking [18:14] scientes he tears people new assholes with softer words now [18:14] schestowitz[TR] originalLinus [18:15] highest_cubist_thrills monkeys are known to do that, so unless he knows a particular puritanical community of monkeys, linus was being redundant [18:15] highest_cubist_thrills at any rate, putting rust in the kernel is worse [18:15] scientes highest_cubist_thrills, not redundant, pedantic [18:15] TR News Microsoft distro https://fridge.ubuntu.com/2022/09/30/ubuntu-22-10-kinetic-kudu-final-beta-released/ [18:15] TR Bot Ubuntu Fridge | Ubuntu 22.10 (Kinetic Kudu) Final Beta released [18:15] scientes and rhetorical [18:15] scientes (obviously) [18:16] *techuser has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [18:16] scientes schestowitz, LWN has all sorts of great stuff, such as being the publication point for Ulrich Drepper's paper on memory for example [18:16] scientes What Every Programmer Should Know About Memory [18:16] scientes which remains the best paper on the subject [18:18] TR News "They have to abid to the country laws and avoid potentia lawsuits from some patent trolls." https://www.phoronix.com/forums/forum/phoronix/latest-phoronix-articles/1349129-microsoft-adds-av1-decode-support-to-their-mesa-d3d12-driver/page2 ICBM lobbies for troll-friendly (swpats) [policy) http://techrights.org/2022/01/11/phoronix-and-microsoft-mesa/ [18:18] TR Bot Adds AV1 Decode Support To Their Mesa D3D12 Driver - Phoronix Forums [18:18] TR Bot Microsoft Thinks It Owns Mesa (and Computer Games) | Techrights [18:18] TR News Stormy US https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FF3UFYvI0nU [18:18] TR Bot https://invidious.namazso.eu/watch?v=FF3UFYvI0nU [18:19] TR Bot invidious.namazso.eu | Bad Internet for a Few Days | Postponing Weekly News Roundup - Invidious [18:20] IPFS () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-29.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-30.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi [18:20] TR News Seriously? Wow? Aside from awful privacy, this isn't new and has so many drawbacks. https://news.itsfoss.com/ubuntu-amazon-workspaces/ [18:20] TR Bot Wow! You Can Now Use Ubuntu Desktop on Cloud [18:20] TR News (NEW): : Google Android Leftovers http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/30/Android_Leftovers.1.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/30/Android_Leftovers.1.gmi [18:20] TR Bot Tux Machines Android Leftovers [18:20] starstreak Microsoft Linucks 24.04 LTS [18:20] schestowitz[TR] 24.03 BTW [18:20] schestowitz[TR] B FOR BETA [18:21] highest_cubist_thrills im rick james, btw [18:22] schestowitz[TR] are you my vvvorzt nightmare? [18:23] highest_cubist_thrills my worst nightmare is i walk into a data centre where im the head of i.t. and someone installed an update that brought systemd in to every server [18:23] highest_cubist_thrills then i look down and realise im wearing pants [18:24] highest_cubist_thrills working remotely has made pants the new tie [18:25] TR News The WWW is not safe. It wasn't built to be. https://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2022/09/security-vulnerabilities-in-covert-cia-websites.html [18:25] TR Bot Vulnerabilities in Covert CIA Websites - Schneier on Security [18:26] TR News (NEW): 5 Nautilus Extensions to Enhance Your GNOME File Manager http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/30/5_Nautilus_Extensions_to_Enhance_Your_GNOME_File_Manager.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/30/5_Nautilus_Extensions_to_Enhance_Your_GNOME_File_Manager.gmi [18:27] TR Bot Tux Machines 5 Nautilus Extensions to Enhance Your GNOME File Manager [18:27] TR News dbrand's MILLION DOLLAR Steam Deck blunder. (Plus other Deck news) - Invidious https://yewtu.be/watch?v=GltcKsa_Klo | Gemini address: gemini://auragem.space/youtube/video/GltcKsa_Klo [18:27] TR Bot dbrand's MILLION DOLLAR Steam Deck blunder. (Plus other Deck news) - Invidious [18:28] TR News Canonical is calling a server "private clown" https://ubuntu.com//blog/migrating-to-an-open-source-private-cloud-platform-key-considerations [18:28] TR Bot to an open-source private cloud platform: key considerations | Ubuntu [18:28] *DaemonFC (~daemonfc@s3762q6y4zxnn.irc) has joined #techrights [18:30] TR News What Microsoft-bribed media has been distracting from lately https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/security/new-microsoft-exchange-zero-days-actively-exploited-in-attacks/ [18:30] TR Bot New Microsoft Exchange zero-days actively exploited in attacks [18:30] schestowitz[TR] DaemonFC: we have a new transphobe in this channel [18:30] schestowitz[TR] mjg59_> Oh to be fair I definitely said some transphobic shit like 20 years ago [18:30] schestowitz[TR] after he got a phd in Cambridge [18:31] DaemonFC 1995, Boomers..... Me: Mom, you're not sick. Why did you just call in sick? Mom: I can't stand my boss at the hospital and I'm just going to take some time off for myself. Now, I'm going to run in Hills and do some shopping. I hope I don't run into anyone from the hospital. [18:31] schestowitz[TR] he " definitely said some transphobic shit" [18:31] schestowitz[TR] just so you are aware [18:31] schestowitz[TR] so I will address him accordingly from now on [18:31] starstreak everyone was transphobic 20 years ago though [18:31] schestowitz[TR] don't make excuses [18:31] DaemonFC 2022, Boomers: "The Millennials are WEAK! They need 'mental health days'! They're doing this thing at work called QUIET QUITTING!" [18:31] starstreak hes fighting it now [18:32] schestowitz[TR] starstreak: he's a terrible person and a troll [18:32] schestowitz[TR] he is trying to distract from the bad things he's doing [18:32] DaemonFC after he got a phd in Cambridge [18:32] schestowitz[TR] starstreak: bullshit [18:32] schestowitz[TR] he's fighting rms [18:32] schestowitz[TR] he is fightinjg assange [18:32] DaemonFC Cambridge Analytica? [18:32] schestowitz[TR] he is fighting torvalds [18:32] DaemonFC ;) [18:32] schestowitz[TR] he's just using it [18:32] schestowitz[TR] do don't play along with his bullshit [18:32] schestowitz[TR] he's no more trnas than I am [18:33] schestowitz[TR] and unlike me, he said horrible thingsd about people who had already suffered enough [18:33] schestowitz[TR] so I'lll call him what he is [18:33] starstreak hes the only one calling out daemon [18:33] starstreak besides me [18:33] *techuser (~techuser@dndb9c48s7mjg.irc) has joined #techrights [18:33] schestowitz[TR] Cambridge Analytica? [18:33] schestowitz[TR] CA needs data [18:33] highest_cubist_thrills everyone was transphobic 20 years ago thoug <- its true, i ran a chain of christian help centres across the midwest to make people straight and cis and white again [18:33] schestowitz[TR] back doors help with that [18:33] DaemonFC The Illinois Republican Party has gone so off the rails that I don't think I can vote for any of them. The candidate for Attorney General has a big tattoo on each arm. One says "FREEDOM" and the other says "LIBERTY". [18:33] schestowitz[TR] so maybe, indirectly he helped that [18:33] DaemonFC You should see this guy's campaign Web site. [18:33] highest_cubist_thrills and unlike me, he said horrible thingsd about people who had already suffered enough <- you should start a github petition [18:33] schestowitz[TR] no, trans are accepted by maybe 5% in the world [18:33] schestowitz[TR] including women [18:34] schestowitz[TR] and maybe 20 years ago by 4% in the world [18:34] DaemonFC I'm seriously considering voting Libertarian this year except for Mark Curran for the Supreme Court. [18:34] schestowitz[TR] and many just avoid expressing a view on it [18:34] highest_cubist_thrills /me bets its higher than 5% [18:34] MinceR 30 182017 < highest_cubist_thrills> this stuff does not belong in free software, it exists solely for non-free shits benefit. [18:34] MinceR indeed [18:34] highest_cubist_thrills i knew you got it, mincer [18:34] DaemonFC We have a full slate of Libertarian candidates this year and the election isn't forecast to be close in most of the races. [18:34] schestowitz[TR] (note: 5% of the world is like 400 million people) [18:34] MinceR and there's probably a reason if there's no fork with the nag screen removed [18:34] highest_cubist_thrills but if i miss out on an opportunity to bitch about it, then who the heck am i [18:34] MinceR probably that the software isn't worth using anyway [18:35] schestowitz[TR] anywayt,m back to news [18:35] DaemonFC Curran is a decent guy, I think. [18:35] highest_cubist_thrills probably that the software isn't worth using anyway <- yep [18:35] schestowitz[TR] it's OK [18:35] schestowitz[TR] no worse than 20 yars ago [18:35] schestowitz[TR] free software [18:35] schestowitz[TR] we used to be ina tough situation [18:35] schestowitz[TR] technically [18:35] schestowitz[TR] now the infiltrations are a big problem [18:35] highest_cubist_thrills people see a nag screen on "free software" and the ones who know better are just like "welp, nevermind" [18:35] schestowitz[TR] not that Microsoft-Novell wasn't that big, too [18:35] DaemonFC The rest of the Republicans on the ballot look like escapees from Arkham Asylum or something. [18:35] schestowitz[TR] but that was 2006 [18:36] highest_cubist_thrills now the infiltrations are a big problem <- oh my god, they killed osi. you bastards. [18:36] DaemonFC With Trump up top as the joker. [18:36] MinceR 30 193504 < DaemonFC> Curran is a decent guy, I think. [18:36] schestowitz[TR] highest_cubist_thrills: good riddance, osi [18:36] MinceR the guy who played the doctor on Too Many Cooks? [18:36] schestowitz[TR] that was a gradauyl demise [18:36] schestowitz[TR] started around 2008 with mac asay [18:36] schestowitz[TR] he let the microsoft licences in [18:36] schestowitz[TR] ms-pl [18:36] schestowitz[TR] there waere other niggling issues in osi back then [18:36] DaemonFC The Microsoft Pushover License. [18:36] schestowitz[TR] but the leadership was not too awful [18:37] schestowitz[TR] iirc, they also opposed spwats [18:37] highest_cubist_thrills he borrowed niggling from dfc [18:37] DaemonFC mjg59_, You should use the Microsoft Pushover License in your GitHub. [18:37] schestowitz[TR] ''his' [18:37] highest_cubist_thrills (no i know, its not... nothing...) [18:37] DaemonFC It would be terribly ironic. [18:37] highest_cubist_thrills the main issue with osi was it was a free software counterrevolution that blew corporations [18:38] TR News Albanese says Optus has agreed to pay for replacement passports https://itwire.com/security/albanese-says-optus-has-agreed-to-pay-for-replacement-passports.html [18:38] DaemonFC I wouldn't use github except maybe as a mirror for something else. [18:38] highest_cubist_thrills esr wanted to call it the "white software militia" but perens said no [18:38] schestowitz[TR] DaemonFC: what good is it as a mirror? [18:38] schestowitz[TR] archival? [18:38] schestowitz[TR] you can use internet archive for that [18:39] highest_cubist_thrills for now at least [18:39] DaemonFC Yeah, the "I have a million backups of this complete with commit history." thing. [18:39] schestowitz[TR] among tons of other 'glaxier'-like disservices [18:39] schestowitz[TR] github might not even exist in 20 years [18:39] schestowitz[TR] 20 yeras is a very long time [18:39] highest_cubist_thrills whoever put the question mark cashew in wordpress decided to molest the internet archive in a similar fashion [18:39] DaemonFC I have a lot of console ROMs now. [18:39] schestowitz[TR] maybe in 10 years they will rebrand it 'azure something'; [18:39] DaemonFC BtrFS compress is nice about dealing with these. [18:39] schestowitz[TR] if microsoft is still around then [18:39] highest_cubist_thrills thats their typical move [18:39] schestowitz[TR] a lot of large US firms will fold [18:39] schestowitz[TR] along with the dying economy [18:39] schestowitz[TR] and NYSE bubble [18:39] highest_cubist_thrills git.NET [18:39] DaemonFC You can tell that most people who use these run them on Windows. [18:40] TR Bot ( status 502 @ https://itwire.com/security/albanese-says-optus-has-agreed-to-pay-for-replacement-passports.html ) [18:40] DaemonFC The emulators have support for pulling them out of ZIP files and running them on the fly. [18:40] schestowitz[TR] .NET is alteady becoming quite extinct [18:40] DaemonFC Which you don't actually need with BtrFS, obviously. [18:40] schestowitz[TR] at least things built with .NET [18:40] schestowitz[TR] they're "legacy" [18:40] schestowitz[TR] .netnuke [18:44] TR News "september's over, which means my monthly artlog is up on my website" gemini://sol.cities.yesterweb.org/stream.gmi [18:45] TR News "We cover events and user groups that are running in Norway. This article forms part of our Linux Around The World series." https://www.linuxlinks.com/linux-norway/ [18:45] TR Bot Around The World: Norway - LinuxLinks [18:47] *techuser has quit (connection closed) [18:47] TR News Intel bribed Linus Torvalds recently (fake new award, made up for him). It wants to turn him into a marketing mascot. https://thenewstack.io/intel-invokes-linus-torvalds-to-push-software-tools/ see https://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/27/x86_Defects_Inside_Linux_Intel_Bribes_Torvalds_With_New_and_Mad.shtml [18:47] TR Bot Intel Invokes Linus Torvalds to Push Software Tools - The New Stack [18:47] TR Bot Tux Machines x86 Defects Inside Linux, Intel 'Bribes' Torvalds With New (and Made Up) "Innovation Award" [18:48] TR News This definitely sounds like a FAKE figure (I can imagine what bogus things they add up): "With IT spending projected to total $4.5 trillion in 2022" https://enterprisersproject.com/article/2022/9/hybrid-intelligence-bridging-skills-gap [18:48] TR Bot Hybrid intelligence: Bridging the skills gap | The Enterprisers Project [18:49] TR News When Red Hat says "modernize, modernize, modernize" it means accept vendor lockin and get entangled in impractical complexity https://enterprisersproject.com/article/2022/9/it-leadership-prioritize-remainder-2022 [18:49] TR Bot IT leadership: What to prioritize for the remainder of 2022 | The Enterprisers Project [18:50] TR News Report on the former community known as Fedora, now an ICBM fossil https://communityblog.fedoraproject.org/cpe-weekly-update-week-39-2022/ [18:50] TR Bot CPE Weekly Update - Week 39 2022 Fedora Community Blog [18:51] TR News F37 still has 1220 open bugs and they plan to go on and on. "754 packages fail to build from source" https://communityblog.fedoraproject.org/fridays-fedora-facts-2022-39/ ICBM sees the community as an OBSTRUCTION and tries to dismantle it: http://techrights.org/2022/09/29/video-on-sourceware/ [18:51] TR Bot Friday's Fedora Facts: 2022-39 Fedora Community Blog [18:51] TR Bot Software Freedom Conservancy (SFC) is Facilitating a Hostile Takeover by Corporations (Privatising Free Software) | Techrights [18:52] TR News ICBM: we never stopped helping nazis http://techrights.org/2022/08/19/elana-hashman-cancel-culture/ [18:52] TR Bot IBM/Azures Elana Hashman, Only Two Months After Starting a Campaign to Delete RMS, Said Israel Should Not Exist | Techrights [18:53] TR News ICBM operates on the assumption that GPL is BS and if ICBM can destroy the GNU/Linux community, then people will have no choice but to buy RHEL subscriptions. This won't end well. [18:55] TR News ICBM troll: I never "missed out" on saying "transphobic shit" and preying on FOSS events in pursuit of sex. [18:59] IPFS IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 11.26 k/sec., IPFS upstream 133.98 average k/sec., average swarm size 119.76 [18:59] *DaemonFC has quit (Quit: Leaving) ● Sep 30 [19:06] starstreak jeez, everytime pandoc has it update, it updates like 30 haskel packages too [19:06] MinceR https://apina.biz/191997.jpg?mode=sfw [19:06] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-http://apina.biz/191997.jpg [19:06] *eidolon (~eidolon@f6kehdj2447n8.irc) has joined #techrights [19:20] IPFS () Planet Gemini updated. 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[19:41] TR News Liaison with two companies that profited from Hitler's wars and genocides https://www.forbes.com/sites/samabuelsamid/2022/09/22/qualcomm-announces-new-automotive-partnerships-with-mercedes-benz-and-red-hat/ [19:41] TR Bot Qualcomm Announces New Automotive Partnerships With Mercedes-Benz And Red Hat [19:44] TR News "Writing data is easy. You take in the information and put it away for future use. Its remembering exactly what you wrote and where you put it thats the challenge." https://www.redhat.com/en/compiler-podcast/data-baeses [19:44] TR Bot Compiler: Data-baeses [19:45] TR News Gizmo makes overly silent computers noisy again - El Reg https://www.theregister.com/2022/09/30/hdd_clicker/ Source: The Register UK | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//www.theregister.com/2022/09/30/hdd_clicker/ [19:45] TR Bot Gizmo makes overly silent computers noisy again The Register [19:46] TR News "RPMs of PHP version 8.1.11 are available in remi-modular repository for Fedora 35 and Enterprise Linux 8 (RHEL, Alma, CentOS, Rocky...) and in remi-php81 repository for EL 7." https://blog.remirepo.net/post/2022/09/30/PHP-version-7.4.32-8.0.24-and-8.1.11 [19:46] TR Bot PHP version 7.4.32, 8.0.24 and 8.1.11 - Remi's RPM repository - Blog [19:46] TR News openSUSE Tumbleweed Review of the week 2022/39 https://dominique.leuenberger.net/blog/2022/09/opensuse-tumbleweed-review-of-the-week-2022-39/ [19:46] TR Bot openSUSE Tumbleweed Review of the week 2022/39 Dominique a.k.a. DimStar (Dim*) [19:50] TR News Spam disguised thinly... as technical advice https://www.techradar.com/news/leading-vpn-is-now-supporting-linux www = webspam [19:50] TR Bot users can now secure their data with this leading VPN | TechRadar [19:50] TR News (NEW): Security Leftovers http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/30/Security_Leftovers.1.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/30/Security_Leftovers.1.gmi [19:50] TR Bot Tux Machines Security Leftovers [19:57] TR News Ubuntu used to report to Amazon what people searched locally on their own PCs; this is complete takeover, including files and activities https://www.theregister.com/2022/09/30/ubuntu_amazon_virtual_desktop/ [19:57] TR Bot Ubuntu Pro comes to Amazon WorkSpaces The Register ● Sep 30 [20:08] TR News Trollish clickbait from Brian Fagioli again https://betanews.com/2022/09/30/ubuntu-linux-2210-kinetic-kudu-beta/ [20:08] TR Bot Don't install Ubuntu Linux 22.10 'Kinetic Kudu' Beta (unless you are a cool dude) [20:10] TR News "4. Install Linux on It" https://www.makeuseof.com/ways-to-reuse-old-mac/ [20:10] TR Bot 9 Useful Ways to Reuse an Old Mac [20:11] TR News Even in his very own words, his hypocritical campaigning is shown to be little but opportunism, misrepresenting vulnerable groups in the name of protecting them (and not even engaging politely, just defaming, cursing, stalking, trolling, threatening and blackmailing people) http://techrights.org/2022/09/30/matthew-garrett-transphobic/ [20:12] TR News (NEW): Canonical/Ubuntu Leftovers http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/30/Canonical_Ubuntu_Leftovers.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/30/Canonical_Ubuntu_Leftovers.gmi [20:12] TR Bot Tux Machines Canonical/Ubuntu Leftovers [20:16] TR News (NEW): Adoption on GNU/Linux on Desktop/Laptop http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/30/Adoption_on_GNU_Linux_on_Desktop_Laptop.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/30/Adoption_on_GNU_Linux_on_Desktop_Laptop.gmi [20:16] TR Bot Tux Machines Adoption on GNU/Linux on Desktop/Laptop [20:16] TR News (NEW): Games: Stadia, Doom, and Steam Deck http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/30/Games_Stadia_Doom_and_Steam_Deck.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/30/Games_Stadia_Doom_and_Steam_Deck.gmi [20:16] TR Bot Tux Machines Games: Stadia, Doom, and Steam Deck [20:17] TR News ESP32 https://www.cnx-software.com/2022/09/30/t-embed-is-a-battery-powered-wifi-controller-with-display-and-rotary-encoder/ [20:17] TR Bot T-Embed is a battery powered WiFi controller with display and rotary encoder - CNX Software [20:19] TR News "The ESP32 DevKitC V4 is now selling with the ESP-WROOM-DA module with two PCB antennas that was introduced last year in order to offer a longer WiFi range and better reliability." https://www.cnx-software.com/2022/09/30/esp32-devkitc-v4-iot-development-board-ships-with-esp-wroom-da-dual-antenna-module/ [20:19] TR Bot ESP32 DevKitC V4 IoT development board ships with ESP-WROOM-DA dual antenna module - CNX Software [20:19] *highest_cubist_thrills (~highest_cubist_thri@dndb9c48s7mjg.irc) has joined #techrights [20:20] IPFS () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-29.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-30.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi [20:20] TR News Citrix is just and it moreover employs trolls in our communities... people who lead efforts to overthrow RMS and Linus Torvalds, based on some libel. https://www.theregister.com/2022/09/30/citrix_xen/ [20:20] TR Bot How Citrix dropped the Xen ball ... according to Citrix The Register [20:21] TR News This headline might be a falsehood or a loaded statement https://containerjournal.com/features/containers-vs-virtual-machines-why-containers-are-more-popular/ [20:21] TR Bot Containers Vs. Virtual Machines: Why Containers are More Popular - Container Journal [20:23] TR News "Speaking of distributions, you get a word search puzzle centered around distro names in this edition. The answers for the previous week's crossword are also here." https://news.itsfoss.com/foss-weekly-22-36/ "FOSS Weekly" creates confusion ("FLOSS Weekly" is like 14 years old) [20:23] TR Bot FOSS Weekly #22.36: Ubuntu 22.10 Beta, KDE Theming, Loop Devices and More [20:24] TR News "Today is a great day! Im in Barcelona (typing this from my hotel room) to meet a good chunk of KDE for Akademy 2022. I cant wait its been a long time since the last edition was in person." https://ervin.ipsquad.net/blog/2022/09/30/akademy-irl-at-last/ if there's sex, invite mjg so he doesn't "miss out" [20:24] TR Bot Akademy IRL at Last! - ervin [20:25] TR News Penpot inks $8M as signups for its open source spin on Figma jump 5600% after Adobes $20B acquisition move https://techcrunch.com/2022/09/27/penpot-inks-8m-as-signups-for-its-open-source-spin-on-figma-jump-5600-after-adobes-20b-acquisition-move/ Source: TechCrunch [20:25] TR Bot inks $8M as signups for its open source spin on Figma jump 5600% after Adobe's $20B acquisition move TechCrunch [20:26] TR News Kevin Ottens: "This is indeed a concerning move its not about legacy, its about closing an ecosystem." https://boston.conman.org//2022/09/22.1 [20:26] TR Bot received a record that exceeded the maximum permissible length. ( status 0 @ https://boston.conman.org//2022/09/22.1 ) [20:26] TR News The appeal of small computers AndreGarzia.com https://andregarzia.com/2022/09/The-appeal-of-small-computers.html [20:26] TR Bot appeal of small computers AndreGarzia.com [20:27] TR News Cargo cult taken for a ride https://medium.com/volvo-cars-engineering/why-volvo-thinks-you-should-have-rust-in-your-car-4320bd639e09 [20:27] TR Bot Rust is actually good for your car. | by Johannes Foufas | Volvo Cars Engineering | Sep, 2022 | Medium [20:28] TR News Making python fast for free - adventures with mypyc MeadSteves Dev Blog https://blog.meadsteve.dev/programming/2022/09/27/making-python-fast-for-free/ [20:28] TR Bot Making python fast for free - adventures with mypyc MeadSteve's Dev Blog [20:29] TR News Want cleaner code? Use the rule of six https://davidamos.dev/the-rule-of-six/ [20:29] TR Bot Want cleaner code? Use the rule of six [20:30] TR News Learning is Remembering https://saveall.ai/blog/learning-is-remembering [20:30] TR Bot Learning is Remembering [20:31] TR News Be critical or be corrupted https://www.cenizal.com/be-critical-or-be-corrupted/ Source: cenizal | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//www.cenizal.com/be-critical-or-be-corrupted/ [20:31] TR Bot Be critical or be corrupted [20:32] TR News Guiding principle: Think Big, Work Small | by Jason Yip | Sep, 2022 | Medium https://jchyip.medium.com/guiding-principle-think-big-work-small-8fb1fce6dd97 [20:32] TR Bot Guiding principle: Think Big, Work Small | by Jason Yip | Sep, 2022 | Medium [20:32] TR News Complexity and software engineering | Well, quite. https://wellquite.org/posts/complexity/ Source: wellquite | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//wellquite.org/posts/complexity/ [20:32] TR Bot Complexity and software engineering | Well, quite. [20:33] TR News "Its time for one of those bugs story. This one was introduced earlier but its related to The story of the 20 million queries per hour, not a consequence of that mistake, but it shares some related context." https://kinduff.com/2022/09/28/the-4-minute-bug/ [20:33] TR Bot 4 minute bug | Alejandro AR (kinduff) [20:37] TR News Spamnil has just published spam for Microsoft and OSI, in effect helping a Microsoft sponsored campaign to encourage GPL violations under the guise of "HEY HI". This is Linux Foundation-funded attack on the GPL!!!! [20:53] TR News ZDNet Used to Write About 3 Linux Stories Per Day. But Now... | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/09/30/evidence-of-zdnet-dying/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/09/30/evidence-of-zdnet-dying/ [20:53] TR Bot ZDNet Used to Write About 3 Linux Stories Per Day. But Now | Techrights [20:54] TR News ZDNet is Dying http://techrights.org/wiki/ZDNet#2022 [20:54] TR Bot ZDNet - Techrights [20:59] IPFS IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 48.53 k/sec., IPFS upstream 153.41 average k/sec., average swarm size 126.43 ● Sep 30 [21:18] *techuser (~techuser@vd4283mvfyqgk.irc) has joined #techrights [21:20] IPFS () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-29.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-30.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi [21:24] *techuser has quit (connection closed) [21:24] TR News Intel Treats Linus Torvalds as a Marketing Mascot | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/09/30/linus-torvalds-award/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/09/30/linus-torvalds-award/ [21:24] TR Bot Intel Treats Linus Torvalds as a Marketing Mascot | Techrights [21:32] TR News Intel also using Gosling (Java) as a marketing stunt https://yewtu.be/watch?v=PIJL2BGjL-4 [21:32] TR Bot Intel Innovation 2022 Day 2 Keynote Replay - Invidious [21:32] *u-amarsh04 has quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!) [21:38] TR News Among other highlights: Red Hat shilling Intel (Wright), some people with poor presentation skills, cheesy slides (GALAXIES! To represent small scale!), and Windows. They say "Linux operating system" but it is a kernel only. https://yewtu.be/watch?v=PIJL2BGjL-4 [21:39] *u-amarsh04 (~amarsh04@22agg6qj8dxhg.irc) has joined #techrights [21:44] AdmFubar https://www.macrumors.com/2022/09/30/apple-korea-offices-raided-antitrust-regulator/ [21:44] TR Bot Korea Offices Raided by Antitrust Regulators Over Allegations It Charges Developers 33% Commission - MacRumors [21:46] TR News Says AMD-sponsored 'writer' https://www.phoronix.com/news/AMD-Zen-4-Mitigations-Off [21:46] TR Bot AMD Zen 4, It's Surprisingly Not Worthwhile Disabling CPU Security Mitigations - Phoronix [21:46] schestowitz[TR] mjg59_: in youtube it's 40$ [21:46] schestowitz[TR] iirc [21:46] schestowitz[TR] AdmFubar: I mean [21:46] schestowitz[TR] 40% commission [21:47] schestowitz[TR] for the ads [21:47] schestowitz[TR] gulag takes 40% [21:47] schestowitz[TR] but it's hard to find verifiable proof [21:47] schestowitz[TR] man y vloggers say it's 40% [21:48] TR News World's Weakest Linux User - Invidious https://yewtu.be/watch?v=-sfAqULIqdo | Gemini address: gemini://auragem.space/youtube/video/-sfAqULIqdo [21:48] TR Bot World's Weakest Linux User - Invidious [21:48] highest_cubist_thrills they should take 5 cents [21:48] schestowitz[TR] not 50 cent? [21:48] MinceR not 5 dorra? [21:48] schestowitz[TR] by dr. dre? [21:48] schestowitz[TR] iirc, appel bought beats? [21:48] MinceR yes [21:48] MinceR best fit ever [21:49] schestowitz[TR] two fashiomn items [21:49] schestowitz[TR] all hype [21:49] schestowitz[TR] high pricing [21:49] schestowitz[TR] for plastic made in china [21:49] MinceR extremely low quality [21:49] MinceR functionless pieces of arbitrary material considered to be hallmarks of quality [21:49] schestowitz[TR] i never tried [21:50] schestowitz[TR] but it seems to be advertised for wannabe elitists [21:50] schestowitz[TR] who brag about the cost [21:50] MinceR in beats headphones: functionless metal weights as the hallmarks of quality [21:50] schestowitz[TR] but it's from a doctor [21:50] MinceR in crApple phones: functionless piece of glass as the hallmark of quality [21:50] MinceR lol [21:50] schestowitz[TR] "are you a real doctor, due?" -dr dre album [21:50] schestowitz[TR] *dude [21:51] highest_cubist_thrills in fsf: neopuritan witchhunts as the hallmark of quality [21:51] *rowbee has quit (Ping timeout: 120 seconds) [21:51] schestowitz[TR] https://yewtu.be/watch?v=n8zhUYCOS-c [21:51] TR Bot Dr. Dre - The Chronic (FULL ALBUM) - Invidious [21:51] *techuser (~techuser@5tp7bay4r63ik.irc) has joined #techrights [21:51] MinceR did fsf even pretend to care about quality? [21:52] highest_cubist_thrills we will not tolerate: racism sexism anticapitalism whistleblowing... [21:52] MinceR what i keep hearing from them is basically "we don't care how crap and broken it is as long as it's free" [21:52] highest_cubist_thrills did fsf even pretend to care about quality? <- unmistakably, yes. debateably? yes. [21:52] MinceR and lately that "free" means "licensed under an open source license" [21:52] highest_cubist_thrills "as long as it's free" thats the new fsf [21:52] highest_cubist_thrills granted the new fsf is nothing new [21:52] highest_cubist_thrills and its nothing gnu [21:53] highest_cubist_thrills free software, we hardly gnu ye [21:53] TR News Larabel: the voice of x86. Will take money for endorsements... [21:53] *rowbee (~augh@freenode-j20rl4.4u0f.d8e9.59jtia.IP) has joined #techrights [21:53] highest_cubist_thrills alas, poor yorick, i gnu him [21:53] TR News Intel's latest event was an embarrassment. What was Torvalds thinking???? [21:54] highest_cubist_thrills me holds up gnu skull [21:54] TR News "This is a Linux Foundation-funded attack on the GPL, Linuxs licence. And its not just GPL violations but licence violations in general and across the board. Microsoft controls the narrative and encourages abuses against Free software." http://techrights.org/2022/09/30/evidence-of-zdnet-dying/ [21:54] TR Bot ZDNet Used to Write About 3 Linux Stories Per Day. But Now | Techrights [21:54] TR News "Intel uploaded this video a couple of days ago (14:08-15:09); see the press reports below and the portion above (he doesnt look like he wanted to be there, but maybe his bosses at Linux Foundation forced him to, as he's not truly in control of his job anymore)" http://techrights.org/2022/09/30/linus-torvalds-award/ [21:54] TR Bot Intel Treats Linus Torvalds as a Marketing Mascot | Techrights [21:55] highest_cubist_thrills "as long as it's free" thats the new fsf <- i believe this goes back to late 2011 precisely [21:56] highest_cubist_thrills of course thats where the evidence points. it could be more or less than that. [21:56] highest_cubist_thrills your warnings about systemd in this channel also go back to about the same time... [21:56] highest_cubist_thrills late 2011, if not earlier 2011. [21:56] highest_cubist_thrills coincidence? perhaps [21:56] highest_cubist_thrills interesting coincidence? i think so [21:56] TR News This CISA post has failed to say that 67% of it is about Microsoft, and specifically zero-days already exploited with severe consequences (espionage and blackmail) https://www.cisa.gov/uscert/ncas/current-activity/2022/09/30/cisa-adds-three-known-exploited-vulnerabilities-catalog [21:56] TR Bot CISA Adds Three Known Exploited Vulnerabilities to Catalog | CISA [21:57] highest_cubist_thrills ofc this assumes that systemd was a plot from the beginning [21:57] highest_cubist_thrills idk if it is [21:57] highest_cubist_thrills i mean, suppose the attackers were going to hit the twin towers anyway [21:57] TR News But this post does speak about it https://us-cert.cisa.gov/ncas/current-activity/2022/09/30/microsoft-releases-guidance-zero-day-vulnerabilities-microsoft [21:57] highest_cubist_thrills and the gov didnt set that up, they just said [21:57] TR Bot Microsoft Releases Guidance on Zero-Day Vulnerabilities in Microsoft Exchange Server | CISA [21:57] highest_cubist_thrills "well, this is convenient" [21:58] highest_cubist_thrills "we wrote half the patriot act in 1995, now theyre finally giving us a reason to dust it off and run it through the" [21:58] highest_cubist_thrills IM A BILL, IM A BILL, ON CAPITOL HILL! [21:59] highest_cubist_thrills IF YOU DONT PASS ME NOW THEN THE TERRORISTS WILL! [21:59] TR News Probably just JavaScript at it again (have not checked) https://us-cert.cisa.gov/ncas/current-activity/2022/09/30/mozilla-releases-security-update-thunderbird [21:59] TR Bot Mozilla Releases Security Updatefor Thunderbird | CISA [21:59] highest_cubist_thrills so idk if systemd was a plot dating back to 2011 [21:59] highest_cubist_thrills but thats pretty much when rms threw in the towel [21:59] TR News "A remote attacker could exploitsomeof these vulnerabilities to take control of an affected system." https://us-cert.cisa.gov/ncas/current-activity/2022/09/30/cisco-releases-security-updates-multiple-products [21:59] TR Bot Cisco Releases Security Updates for Multiple Products | CISA ● Sep 30 [22:00] highest_cubist_thrills "if its shitty then you just put a free license on it" oh-oh! oh-oh! oh-oh! oh no-no! [22:00] highest_cubist_thrills before that it was "we try to make this not suck, but if it does, at least someones allowed to fix it" [22:01] highest_cubist_thrills after 2011: yes its pure evil but the license is like honey badger [22:01] highest_cubist_thrills and honey badger dont care [22:01] highest_cubist_thrills 2015: dont use github. gnu will not use github [22:01] highest_cubist_thrills also 2015: ok boomer [22:02] TR News "In this video, I am going to show how to install SpiralLinux 11.220925" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EisQG1pT5sQ [22:02] TR Bot https://invidious.privacy.gd/watch?v=EisQG1pT5sQ [22:02] highest_cubist_thrills 2022: gnu still moving towards microsoft, not away [22:02] TR Bot timed out after 10000 milliseconds ( status 0 @ https://invidious.privacy.gd/watch?v=EisQG1pT5sQ ) [22:02] highest_cubist_thrills 2018 (4 years ago!) this is where they should have saod "OH FUCK, richard, sorry!" [22:02] highest_cubist_thrills duix duix duix duix duix [22:03] highest_cubist_thrills actually gnu radio were the worst about it [22:03] highest_cubist_thrills actually talking to other gnu developers like theyre shit for even suggesting github was a bad idea, for mentioning that stallman was concerned about it [22:03] highest_cubist_thrills so to say the coup started in 2019 is silly. 2018 at the latest. [22:04] highest_cubist_thrills in gnu, maybe even earlier. [22:04] highest_cubist_thrills stallman wasnt the only one who stopped caring how much gnu sucks [22:04] TR News Nick shows VERY profound misunderstanding of what patent trolls are https://yewtu.be/watch?v=OFApPqQq-xA also, ICBM (company that controls Fedora) is WEAPONISING trolls; ICBM itself is a troll and it lobbies FOR software patents http://techrights.org/2017/08/31/finjan-blue-and-ibm/ [22:04] TR Bot Fedora patent trolls itself, RIP Stadia, PopOS goes yearly - Linux & Open Source News - Invidious [22:04] TR Bot IBM Helps a Microsoft-Connected Patent Troll Create Another Trolling Branch, Known as Finjan Blue | Techrights [22:05] highest_cubist_thrills 2021: gnu trademark fraud by several of its own developers, debian dpls and ibm gcc traitors [22:05] highest_cubist_thrills and the fsf does nothing [22:05] highest_cubist_thrills so they clearly dont care about gnu either [22:05] highest_cubist_thrills since 2014-15 theyve all sat by while it circles down the drain like the debian logo itself. [22:05] highest_cubist_thrills "what? free license!" [22:06] highest_cubist_thrills fsf was smarter than that before 2011. [22:06] highest_cubist_thrills no, they were. dont rewrite the history [22:06] highest_cubist_thrills its incredibly relevant that they STOPPED caring. they cared before that. [22:06] highest_cubist_thrills they had actual principles they walked away from [22:07] TR News "Parrot 5.1 is here six months after Parrot 5.0 and is powered by Linux kernel 5.18." https://9to5linux.com/security-oriented-distro-parrot-5-1-arrives-with-anonsurf-4-linux-kernel-5-18-and-more [22:07] TR Bot Distro Parrot 5.1 Arrives with AnonSurf 4, Linux Kernel 5.18, and More - 9to5Linux [22:11] TR News Kubuntu Kinetic Kudu (22.10) Beta Released https://kubuntu.org/news/kubuntu-kinetic-kudu-22-10-beta-released/ [22:11] TR Bot Kubuntu Kinetic Kudu (22.10) Beta Released | Kubuntu [22:13] TR News Reproducible Builds (diffoscope): diffoscope 223 released https://diffoscope.org/news/diffoscope-223-released/ [22:13] TR Bot diffoscope 223 released [22:14] TR News "Corporate subscriptions are also available." Reposted again today https://www.phoronix.com/news/Last-Call-2022-Autumn-Sale see http://techrights.org/2022/09/16/landing-big-cash-on-phoronix/ [22:14] TR Bot The Last Call For The 2022 Phoronix Premium Oktoberfest/Autumn Special - Phoronix [22:14] TR Bot Passing Corporate Money Instead of Just Gifts | Techrights [22:14] TR News (NEW): Today's HowTos http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/30/today_s_howtos.3.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/30/today_s_howtos.3.gmi [22:14] TR Bot Tux Machines today's howtos [22:14] highest_cubist_thrills im not saying that 2011 came and they said "welp, fuck everything" [22:15] highest_cubist_thrills that was a key moment. im sure there were others since then. [22:15] highest_cubist_thrills 2018 came and thought policing lieplanet was a higher priority than github [22:15] highest_cubist_thrills both for the fsf and gnu [22:15] MinceR (cat) https://rimgo.bcow.xyz/gallery/1VDSOYG [22:15] TR Bot Hoping to Make Your Day a Little Better - rimgo [22:16] highest_cubist_thrills and liepplanet certainly had zero fucks to give about microsoft taking over everything [22:16] highest_cubist_thrills they should have gone to defcon 5 over that [22:16] highest_cubist_thrills if defcon 5 is sitting around with your thumb in your arse i guess they did [22:17] TR News "I recently read this little article laying out the various reasons, from recent research, to think that there might be life elsewhere in the universe, or rather that the odds look better than they used to look." gemini://gem.librehacker.com/gemlog/starlog/20220930-0.gmi [22:17] highest_cubist_thrills join us so we can do nothing for your freedom! [22:17] highest_cubist_thrills join us so we can outsource your freedom to our biggest enemy! [22:17] TR News THE PINNACLE OF TECHNOLOGICAL ADVANCEMENT. Wallpapers!!!!!! https://www.maketecheasier.com/phone-call-background-samsung/ [22:17] TR Bot 9 Tips to Customize the Call Background on Samsung Galaxy Phones - Make Tech Easier [22:17] highest_cubist_thrills pay us so we can staff a microsoft-owned sweatshop for christs sake! [22:17] highest_cubist_thrills by 2018 they really did give zero fucks about freedom [22:18] highest_cubist_thrills 2015 people were begging them to fight. [22:18] highest_cubist_thrills PLEASE help! [22:18] highest_cubist_thrills fsf: free license, so NYEH [22:18] highest_cubist_thrills people should have left by the hundreds then [22:19] highest_cubist_thrills but they stuck it out, waiting for the fsf to stop being stupid [22:19] highest_cubist_thrills never happened [22:19] highest_cubist_thrills closest they came to doing the right thing in the past decade-- the past decade-- [22:19] highest_cubist_thrills is pretending to bring stallman back. [22:20] IPFS () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-29.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-30.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi [22:20] TR News Server And Storage Spending Moves The Sticks Out Through 2026 https://www.nextplatform.com/2022/09/30/server-and-storage-spending-moves-the-sticks-out-through-2026/ Source: The Next Platform [22:20] TR Bot Server And Storage Spending Moves The Sticks Out Through 2026 [22:20] highest_cubist_thrills now, i dont know when the prism/snowden stuff was [22:20] highest_cubist_thrills so that was good too [22:20] highest_cubist_thrills maybe that was their last real effort [22:20] highest_cubist_thrills that was about a decade ago too. [22:20] highest_cubist_thrills but if it was 2012/13 then whatever [22:22] starstreak why is it that irc clients only get like one update per year [22:22] starstreak looks like hexchat hasn't really been updated all that much [22:22] highest_cubist_thrills how many should they need [22:22] TR News LOL. He only lift that off the ground. I could do a full press at that weight. https://yewtu.be/watch?v=-sfAqULIqdo [22:22] TR Bot World's Weakest Linux User - Invidious [22:22] starstreak i worry about exploits [22:22] starstreak irssi went a few years without an update a while back [22:23] highest_cubist_thrills run critical shit off irc and see what happens :) [22:23] starstreak plus i would love a gtk3 hexchat, its gtk2 :/ [22:23] starstreak its not modern enough [22:24] TR News Could do 150 in my 30s. About 170 in my 20s. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oj2nowgliEI [22:24] TR Bot https://y.com.sb/watch?v=oj2nowgliEI [22:24] TR Bot y.com.sb | Roy lifts 150.0 KG - Invidious [22:24] starstreak come on, add new features or something [22:24] starstreak i want to be excited about the next release [22:24] starstreak i think konversation updates frequently [22:25] starstreak ideally, a gtk4 irc client would be wanted [22:25] TR News Using libsodium gemini://gmi.noulin.net/2022-09-30-using-libsodium.gmi [22:26] TR News Patterns in noise gemini://oberdada.pollux.casa/gemlog/2022-09-30_patterns_control.gmi [22:26] TR News (NEW): Today in Techrights http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/30/Today_in_Techrights.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/30/Today_in_Techrights.gmi [22:26] TR Bot Tux Machines Today in Techrights [22:26] TR News (NEW): This Week in GNOME #63: Experiments and Prototypes http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/30/This_Week_in_GNOME_63_Experiments_and_Prototypes.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/30/This_Week_in_GNOME_63_Experiments_and_Prototypes.gmi [22:26] TR Bot Tux Machines This Week in GNOME #63: Experiments and Prototypes [22:26] starstreak i remember back in the day you could download pre-cracked versions of mIRC with cool themes and additional scripts for pirate content gathering [22:28] highest_cubist_thrills ideally, a gtk4 irc client <- theres nothing ideal about gtk4 [22:28] highest_cubist_thrills its straight to hell from here [22:29] starstreak its like hexchat just forked and its been in maintenance mode ever since [22:29] starstreak why cant hexchat have a file server [22:29] TR News Cloud-Native Apps Driving Major IT Data Crisis - Container Journal https://containerjournal.com/features/cloud-native-apps-driving-major-it-data-crisis/ Source: | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//containerjournal.com/features/cloud-native-apps-driving-major-it-data-crisis/ [22:29] TR Bot Cloud-Native Apps Driving Major IT Data Crisis - Container Journal [22:30] highest_cubist_thrills and its been in maintenance mode <- stability, the #1 enemy of hipsters [22:31] TR News From Infrastructure as Code to Policy as Code https://fale.io/blog/2022/09/30/from-infrastructure-as-code-to-policy-as-code Source: | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//fale.io/blog/2022/09/30/from-infrastructure-as-code-to-policy-as-code [22:31] TR Bot NO TITLE [22:31] TR News ArcoLinux 22.10.02 is out https://www.arcolinux.info/ [22:31] TR Bot ArcoLinux | ArcoLinux [22:31] highest_cubist_thrills they should add more bugs so they can fix something and look cared for [22:32] TR News HID: logitech-hidpp: Detect hi-res scrolling support https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/hid/hid.git/commit/?h=for-next&id=908d325e1665b2781085580070554cbbe5fc3c89 [22:32] TR Bot kernel/git/hid/hid.git - HID Group's fork of hid.git [22:32] highest_cubist_thrills granted maybe theres a vulnerability. someone should certainly look [22:32] highest_cubist_thrills one of the cool things that the "masturbating monkeys" at openbsd do [22:32] TR News amdgpu drm-fixes-6.0 https://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/dri-devel/2022-September/374452.html [22:32] TR Bot [pull] amdgpu drm-fixes-6.0 [22:32] highest_cubist_thrills is create an os that stress tests security in applications, finding bugs that no one else knew were there [22:33] highest_cubist_thrills then disclosing them responsibly [22:33] highest_cubist_thrills so if no one else is checking hexchat for problems [22:33] highest_cubist_thrills openbsd might uncover one anyway [22:34] highest_cubist_thrills and then this doesnt only benefit openbsd users [22:34] highest_cubist_thrills but anyone who uses hexchat potentially [22:34] starstreak konversation doesn't even support scripts [22:34] highest_cubist_thrills not bad for "masturbating monkeys" [22:34] starstreak I could write a script for hexchat to serve files I guess [22:34] starstreak that might be a project to get me into programming [22:35] highest_cubist_thrills thatd be cool [22:35] TR News (NEW): Videos: News, HowTos, and More http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/30/Videos_News_HowTos_and_More.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/30/Videos_News_HowTos_and_More.gmi [22:35] TR Bot Tux Machines Videos: News, HowTos, and More [22:35] TR News (NEW): Server: Clown Computing, Containers, and More http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/30/Server_Clown_Computing_Containers_and_More.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/30/Server_Clown_Computing_Containers_and_More.gmi [22:35] TR Bot Tux Machines Server: Clown Computing, Containers, and More [22:35] highest_cubist_thrills better yet, put it on notabug instead of github [22:35] starstreak cuz like i want to find a way to share my occult book collection [22:35] highest_cubist_thrills its run by a not-for-profit rather than reptilians [22:35] schestowitz[TR] lol [22:36] starstreak if its not reptilians its the neanderthals [22:36] TR News (NEW): Security Leftovers http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/30/Security_Leftovers.2.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/30/Security_Leftovers.2.gmi [22:36] TR Bot Tux Machines Security Leftovers [22:36] highest_cubist_thrills https://github.com/janice/opentaxidermy [22:36] TR Bot ( status 404 @ https://github.com/janice/opentaxidermy ) [22:36] schestowitz[TR] hopefully treated as the fiction it is [22:37] highest_cubist_thrills yes roy all occult books come with a warning that says "roy thinks this is nonsense" [22:37] highest_cubist_thrills "become a vegan and stop reading this tripe, please" [22:37] starstreak i got the AI art generator to make some really cool neanderthal cyborgs [22:37] highest_cubist_thrills /me types "lesbian seagull" into stable diffusion [22:37] starstreak i put them into my latest article [22:38] highest_cubist_thrills someone should make an ai like co-pilot that turns stable diffusion into free software [22:39] highest_cubist_thrills thats what mjg and i were talking about (not entirely) [22:39] schestowitz[TR] it's not hey hi [22:39] highest_cubist_thrills i still think reda is being naive [22:39] schestowitz[TR] copilot is plagiarism search [22:39] schestowitz[TR] na offers code portions without attribution [22:40] schestowitz[TR] that's what it is [22:40] schestowitz[TR] a blender fo code with fuzzy search [22:40] highest_cubist_thrills im interested in to what degree thats true [22:40] schestowitz[TR] spun as "HEY HI" [22:40] highest_cubist_thrills maybe stable diffusion is plagiarism too [22:40] schestowitz[TR] and tempting people to violate licences [22:40] schestowitz[TR] without havign to "worry" about it [22:40] *MinceR typed "steven seagull" into craiyon, but the results were boring [22:40] highest_cubist_thrills but because it exists, for better or worse, these are questions being asked. [22:40] schestowitz[TR] all this HEY HI hype is inane/insane [22:41] highest_cubist_thrills and tempting people to violate licences <- temptation is a moot point when everyones already gone to hell. [22:41] schestowitz[TR] OSI is lying [22:41] schestowitz[TR] it's paid by Microsoft to googlebomb the topic [22:41] schestowitz[TR] and legitimiese what Microsoft and criminal Graveley are doing [22:41] schestowitz[TR] OSI is finished [22:41] highest_cubist_thrills "whenever i get sentenced to another eternity i put a gold star here!"-- satan, normalbobsmith.com [22:44] highest_cubist_thrills github and ibm and google are going to be utterly shocked when the ottowa junta mows them all down [22:44] highest_cubist_thrills "thatll teach you all to mess with canada, eh" [22:44] highest_cubist_thrills "dont say we didnt warn you, buddy!" [22:47] highest_cubist_thrills i mean theres the cia, the nsa, the kosa nostra, the illuminati, the ravaging hoardes of genghis khan [22:47] highest_cubist_thrills and then theres canada revenue [22:48] highest_cubist_thrills dont fuck with canada revenue [22:48] Ariadne fwiw i think that ML models need to fall under a different regulatory regime than FOSS [22:48] Ariadne the OSI guy seems to think that means i agree with whatever they are doing (which i probably don't) [22:48] highest_cubist_thrills why [22:49] Ariadne highest_cubist_thrills: i think that ML models should not be allowed to be proprietary [22:49] highest_cubist_thrills and how does that not work out to "free software can do anything except machine learning" [22:49] highest_cubist_thrills at which point ml becomes the thing you add to every piece of software to make it proprietary again [22:49] Ariadne free software itself can evaluate ML models all it wishes [22:50] highest_cubist_thrills but [22:50] Ariadne the reality is that an ML model is *not* code, at least not in the sense that normal software is code [22:50] MinceR https://www.smbc-comics.com/comic/irony-2 [22:50] TR Bot Saturday Morning Breakfast Cereal - Irony [22:50] highest_cubist_thrills can ml not simply become the ultimate tool for laundering inputs though? [22:50] highest_cubist_thrills i mean maybe it should. i doubt it, but i dont know. [22:51] Ariadne well things like copilot are just copyright violations, full stop [22:51] highest_cubist_thrills okay [22:51] Ariadne they ingested source code, stripped copyright and license texts from the corpus [22:51] TR News Millions of Brits Are Currently COVID-19 Carriers https://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2022/09/30/millions-of-brits-are-currently-covid-19-carriers/ [22:51] TR Bot Blog Archive Millions of Brits Are Currently COVID-19 Carriers [22:51] highest_cubist_thrills thats the accusation yes [22:52] highest_cubist_thrills /me has noted that ariadnes stance on things mjg says, when it differs, is often more reasinable [22:52] Ariadne (well, i don't know that they stripped copyright/license text from the corpus, but the end result is the same, you cannot find the copyright/license text that is associated with a given fragment of code in the model) [22:52] highest_cubist_thrills i mean thats not saying a lot by itself, but at least its better [22:52] highest_cubist_thrills but the end result is the same <- right [22:52] schestowitz[TR] you need to consider where copilot came from [22:52] schestowitz[TR] and how [22:52] Ariadne anyway, ML models (and the corpuses used to build them) must be publicly auditable [22:52] highest_cubist_thrills hence my use of the word laundering [22:52] schestowitz[TR] a serial plagiarist [22:53] schestowitz[TR] who did it many times [22:53] highest_cubist_thrills like microsoft itself [22:53] schestowitz[TR] and got caught [22:53] schestowitz[TR] in between drug trips [22:53] highest_cubist_thrills and other trips [22:53] schestowitz[TR] he built a career on fraud [22:53] schestowitz[TR] like relabeled etherpad as his own work [22:53] highest_cubist_thrills who [22:53] schestowitz[TR] and getting a job based on this lie [22:53] AdmFubar nice interactive code on the page to tour the solar system., planet moons, asteroids, and space probes are featured https://www.jpl.nasa.gov/news/nasas-juno-shares-first-image-from-flyby-of-jupiters-moon-europa [22:53] Ariadne and some uses of ML should just be outright banned [22:53] schestowitz[TR] Graveley [22:53] TR Bot NASAs Juno Shares First Image From Flyby of Jupiters Moon Europa [22:53] schestowitz[TR] horrible person [22:53] schestowitz[TR] many victims [22:54] highest_cubist_thrills some uses of ML should just be outright banned <- how [22:54] schestowitz[TR] so they made a laundry machine for code [22:54] schestowitz[TR] to attack compliance and enforcement [22:54] Ariadne highest_cubist_thrills: there are already regulatory frameworks proposed in EU that ban companies from using ML models in certain ways [22:54] schestowitz[TR] EU is behind [22:54] schestowitz[TR] it doesn't even underatand these issues [22:55] schestowitz[TR] http://techrights.org/2022/01/11/buzzwords-from-brussels/ [22:55] TR Bot A Soup of Buzzwords From Brussels (the European Commission) | Techrights [22:55] schestowitz[TR] we tried to explain to them [22:55] highest_cubist_thrills lol [22:55] Ariadne right, the issue with ML models is far more severe than even EU understands it to be [22:55] highest_cubist_thrills one example? [22:55] Ariadne credit scoring [22:55] schestowitz[TR] EPO uses "HEY HI" as a pretext to grant swpats [22:56] highest_cubist_thrills ew... [22:56] highest_cubist_thrills yeah [22:56] schestowitz[TR] from 2% grant rate to maybe over 50% [22:56] schestowitz[TR] "coz hey hi" [22:56] highest_cubist_thrills theres also compass in the usa [22:56] highest_cubist_thrills thats fucked. [22:56] schestowitz[TR] http://techrights.org/2022/07/23/epo-shape-of-things-to-come/ [22:56] TR Bot The EPO Bubble Part XII The Shape of Things to Come? | Techrights [22:56] Ariadne a proprietary ML model should not be used for credit scoring, because it harms the public [22:56] schestowitz[TR] the programmers also embed biases [22:57] schestowitz[TR] and nobody can be held accountable [22:57] Ariadne (i have no objection to ML models being used for this where the public can understand what has gone into them) [22:57] schestowitz[TR] in social controol media they do censorship this nway [22:57] schestowitz[TR] and let it run off [22:57] schestowitz[TR] nobody accountable [22:57] schestowitz[TR] "your tweet said 5g... BANNED!" [22:57] schestowitz[TR] or meophis [22:57] schestowitz[TR] memphis [22:58] schestowitz[TR] tweet mentioned "bill gates"...BANNED [22:58] Ariadne yes, that's another area where ML models are a problem. there are companies with proprietary models which evaluate the social posts of students/employees and alert authorities if they deem these posts to be indicative of a threat [22:58] schestowitz[TR] obv. "qanon" [22:59] TR News Researchers in Japan see hope in method to breed hard-to-farm squid | NHK WORLD-JAPAN News https://www3.nhk.or.jp/nhkworld/en/news/20220913_09/ Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//www3.nhk.or.jp/nhkworld/en/news/20220913_09/ [22:59] TR Bot Researchers in Japan see hope in method to breed hard-to-farm squid | NHK WORLD-JAPAN News [22:59] Ariadne but i have no idea why OSI want to stick their finger in this. the solution is not to apply "open source" ethics to ML applications, but to build a set of ethics appropriate to that application [22:59] IPFS IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 36.51 k/sec., IPFS upstream 152.85 average k/sec., average swarm size 122.40 [22:59] TR News Lyra V2 - a better, faster, and more versatile speech codec | Google Open Source Blog https://opensource.googleblog.com/2022/09/lyra-v2-a-better-faster-and-more-versatile-speech-codec.html Source: Open Source Initiative | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//opensource.googleblog.com/2022/09/lyra-v2-a-better-faster-and-more-versatile-speech-codec.html [22:59] TR Bot Lyra V2 - a better, faster, and more versatile speech codec | Google Open Source Blog [22:59] MinceR the OSI has ethics? ● Sep 30 [23:00] highest_cubist_thrills if found them in a carton of weetabix [23:00] MinceR lol [23:00] schestowitz[TR] ask hey hi [23:00] schestowitz[TR] if osi is ethical [23:00] schestowitz[TR] microsoft github will tell you [23:01] schestowitz[TR] sponsor [23:01] highest_cubist_thrills a machine learning model should know what ethical is [23:01] schestowitz[TR] http://techrights.org/2022/09/30/infiltration-of-osi/ [23:01] TR Bot Open Source Initiative Controlled (Infiltrated) by Microsoft GitHub: Microsoft Bribes OSI to Justify GPL Violations Under the Guise of AI, Even Writes the OSIs Material | Techrights [23:01] highest_cubist_thrills /me builds a virtual paralegal as an ml model and hires it as an atty [23:01] highest_cubist_thrills ai is my friend [23:01] highest_cubist_thrills ai: im not your friend, buddy! [23:02] Ariadne there is also the whole problem with "deepfake" content, where ML models have been trained to impersonate individuals [23:02] *MinceR builds an ml model that develops and improves ai-s and takes over the universe [23:02] Ariadne this should clearly be illegal [23:02] TR News ICBM lobbies FOR software patents AND also armed PATENT TROLLS. Now Fedora suffers. https://theevilskeleton.gitlab.io/2022/09/30/the-fedora-project-remains-community-driven.html [23:02] TR Bot The Fedora Project Remains Community Driven | TheEvilSkeleton [23:02] schestowitz[TR] github alrteady banned such projects [23:02] schestowitz[TR] based on no actual rules [23:02] schestowitz[TR] just arbitrary censorship [23:03] schestowitz[TR] microsoft as "FOSS God" [23:03] Ariadne yes, i am saying we need actual rules for that [23:03] Ariadne ;) [23:03] *DaemonFC (~daemonfc@tr9ewtk79g5i8.irc) has joined #techrights [23:03] schestowitz[TR] "we bought control" [23:03] highest_cubist_thrills its not arbitrary-- they do whats good for their monopoly. [23:03] schestowitz[TR] yeah [23:03] schestowitz[TR] that too [23:03] schestowitz[TR] and their partner [23:03] schestowitz[TR] like RIAA [23:03] schestowitz[TR] they're a member BTW [23:03] schestowitz[TR] ATTACK ASURFACE [23:03] highest_cubist_thrills ass ur face? [23:04] highest_cubist_thrills azure face! [23:04] DaemonFC schestowitz[TR], Like that guy that wants to rewrite Epiphany in Rust. [23:04] Ariadne incidentally github enterprise is the most halfassed product i have ever used [23:04] schestowitz[TR] i think it's a french work [23:04] schestowitz[TR] ajurrr [23:04] DaemonFC No reason. It's not in a deep dark state of decay and needing a rewrite anyway. [23:04] schestowitz[TR] *word [23:05] schestowitz[TR] we are trying to assess the relative market share of github [23:05] schestowitz[TR] in general and among git [23:05] schestowitz[TR] and among igt include self-hosted and no UI [23:05] DaemonFC I put it on the bug tracker which parts of Epiphany were rotting or badly in need of attention, with debug info, and in some cases a proposal for how to make it better _and_ Apple's problem. [23:05] *starstreak has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [23:05] schestowitz[TR] it's VERY hard to find ANY figures ANYWHWRE [23:05] highest_cubist_thrills its got to be between 2/3 and 4/5 [23:05] DaemonFC So most of the rot is gone now. [23:05] schestowitz[TR] highest_cubist_thrills: and declining [23:05] schestowitz[TR] like skype and linkedin [23:05] DaemonFC mjg59_, says....don't listen to proposals for software from Ryan. [23:05] highest_cubist_thrills no, you made that up. [23:05] highest_cubist_thrills ou always do. [23:05] schestowitz[TR] but we don't know how rapidly [23:06] DaemonFC Ryan has an irrelevant opinion about something else. [23:06] schestowitz[TR] and depends nwhat we measure [23:06] highest_cubist_thrills i do the work, then you downplay it like you had any part in it. [23:06] schestowitz[TR] gitlab market cap is not HIGHER than github [23:06] highest_cubist_thrills based on handwaving [23:06] schestowitz[TR] when microsoft bought github [23:06] schestowitz[TR] *now [23:06] schestowitz[TR] not "not" [23:06] Ariadne i would say that github is probably around 85% of all git repository hosting [23:06] highest_cubist_thrills /me would be very interested if anyone had REAL evidence that github was declining in influence [23:06] DaemonFC Rewriting Epiphany in Rust is a distraction. [23:06] schestowitz[TR] and we know when microsoft bought github many fled and the rate of decreae fell [23:06] schestowitz[TR] based on Microsoft's OWN figures [23:06] highest_cubist_thrills i would say that github is probably around 85% of all git repository hosting <- plausible [23:06] Ariadne but that is just based on observation [23:07] DaemonFC It's negative work that does what we already have, only in new and untested code in a compiler that's dependent upon Microsoft. [23:07] highest_cubist_thrills many fled <- yeah many fled in 2018 [23:07] highest_cubist_thrills and that was pretty much it [23:07] Ariadne DaemonFC: how, exactly, is rust dependent on microsoft [23:07] schestowitz[TR] no, 2019 too [23:07] DaemonFC Same is true for putting Rust in Linux and rewriting existing modules. [23:07] Ariadne they could move the project tomorrow if they wanted [23:07] highest_cubist_thrills bullshit. [23:07] highest_cubist_thrills no, 2019 too <- fake news [23:07] DaemonFC Yeah, if they want to stop taking Microsoft's sweet sweet money. [23:07] DaemonFC :) [23:07] schestowitz[TR] http://techrights.org/2021/01/24/fleeing-github/ [23:07] TR Bot Microsoft: The Year After We Bought GitHub There Was a Significant Decline in Number of New Projects on GitHub | Techrights [23:07] DaemonFC Which they won't. [23:07] schestowitz[TR] http://techrights.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/01/github-decline.png [23:08] Ariadne my problem with gitlab is that it sucks even more than github enterprise [23:08] highest_cubist_thrills gitlab sucks [23:08] highest_cubist_thrills its claim to fame is "we have similar features as the mess youre in now" [23:08] Ariadne i have a person working on adding more features to gitea [23:08] highest_cubist_thrills plus you can self-host, which of course is a plus [23:09] highest_cubist_thrills gitea: we will leave github real soon now [23:09] highest_cubist_thrills they never do. but hey, id rather run gitea than gitlab most likely [23:09] TR News Ethereums Software Switch Has Crypto Miners Scrambling https://thenewstack.io/ethereums-software-switch-has-crypto-miners-scrambling/ [23:09] TR Bot Ethereum's Software Switch Has Crypto Miners Scrambling - The New Stack [23:10] schestowitz[TR] gogs [23:10] highest_cubist_thrills i poured a jar of molasses into a server and it actually made gitlab run faster [23:10] DaemonFC There is no Free Software version of Github that you can self-host. [23:11] TR News "Last year I wrote about a subset of the vim plugins I was using, specifically those created by master craftsman Tim Pope. Off and on since then I've reviewed the other plugins I use and tried a few others, so I thought I'd write about them." https://jmtd.net/log/vim_plugins/vim-css-color/ [23:11] Ariadne yes [23:11] TR Bot jmtd log vim plugins vim-css-color [23:11] schestowitz[TR] we use gemini [23:11] schestowitz[TR] and wrote our own stuff for the 'ui' [23:11] schestowitz[TR] the back end is all cli [23:11] schestowitz[TR] and we use a cli plus some custom script to manage it all [23:11] schestowitz[TR] gemini just exposes it outwards [23:12] schestowitz[TR] and there is a weeeeb gateway for git over gemini [23:12] schestowitz[TR] so it's more secure than any of those www git bundles [23:12] schestowitz[TR] with dbs and stuff [23:12] DaemonFC I just got in from washing the car. Took it down to Chicago and back earlier. The ABS module isn't glitching out and turning on the "service ABS" message anymore. [23:12] highest_cubist_thrills so it's more secure than any of those www git bundles <- im not sure thats how security actually works [23:12] DaemonFC We'll see if that holds. [23:12] highest_cubist_thrills if youre going to claim its secure you should at least have someone audit it [23:13] highest_cubist_thrills gemini has a smaller attack surface (which is a plus) but security is based on finding and fixing problems [23:13] DaemonFC The ABS pump is still in the system even if it's not turned on. If the car turns it off, then the brakes still work, but they don't work as well as a car with no ABS module would. [23:13] schestowitz[TR] http://techrights.org/git/ [23:13] TR Bot Techrights Git (Self-Hosted) | Techrights [23:13] highest_cubist_thrills and good design too-- which is certainly part of it [23:14] DaemonFC You have to push the pedal down harder to get the right amount of braking pressure because it's just hanging around there, dead. [23:14] highest_cubist_thrills good design reduces problems and makes it easier to find and fix them [23:14] DaemonFC good design reduces problems and makes it easier to find and fix them [23:14] DaemonFC ABS in a car is more government-mandated crap nobody ever had to deal with before. [23:15] DaemonFC Because putting more computers in it instead of telling people to learn to pump the brake pedal in the winter. [23:15] schestowitz[TR] so it's more secure than any of those www git bundles <- im not sure thats how security actually works [23:15] schestowitz[TR] actually, many well known people have said [23:15] highest_cubist_thrills the death star had its attack surface pretty well covered, effectively reducing it [23:15] schestowitz[TR] that the bigger things get, the less secure [23:15] schestowitz[TR] in many contexts [23:15] highest_cubist_thrills but you know, that one vulnerability... [23:15] DaemonFC It's really easy to drive a car with no ABS in the winter if it was designed without ABS in the system. If you go into a skid you just pump pump pump the brakes if you feel them trying to lock up on you. This is literally all the ABS module ($850 job) does. [23:16] highest_cubist_thrills actually, many well known people have said <- that the bigger things get, the less secure <- right [23:16] highest_cubist_thrills and bread is made of flour. [23:16] highest_cubist_thrills but youre describing security like a loaf of bread made from a single ingredient. [23:16] highest_cubist_thrills no ones going to eat that. [23:16] DaemonFC On newer cars, like mine, they gave it the job of "traction control" too. If the wheels slip, the ABS module can override the throttle control and stop you from giving the car more gas. [23:17] *starstreak (~starstreak@muarsy2vret2q.irc) has joined #techrights [23:17] DaemonFC Ironically, this can leave you stuck on ice in the morning if you try to get out of it from a complete stop. [23:17] DaemonFC The car will turn on the traction light and prevent you from giving it enough power to get going at all. [23:17] DaemonFC So there's a "Traction Control Off" button you can press. [23:18] starstreak linucks [23:18] highest_cubist_thrills :) [23:18] starstreak there is this really cool project making a third party discord client, its written in golang and gtk4 [23:18] starstreak gtkcord4 [23:19] DaemonFC That doesn't solve the server-side problems though. [23:19] schestowitz[TR] self-driving cars, lol [23:19] starstreak unfortunately its still early in development [23:19] schestowitz[TR] I worked on that sort of stuff as a postdog more than 10 years ago [23:19] schestowitz[TR] and saw what a rash course it was [23:19] schestowitz[TR] going nowhere, fast [23:19] schestowitz[TR] and into a person [23:19] schestowitz[TR] *postdoc [23:19] schestowitz[TR] not postdog lol [23:20] IPFS () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-29.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-30.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi [23:20] schestowitz[TR] phonies try to lie to regulataors and politicians [23:20] DaemonFC schestowitz[TR], The GPS said accident on I-94. I told Mandy, "What do you want to bet it's a black guy in a used BMW that tried to cut across 6 lanes without his blinker at 100 miles an hour?". [23:20] schestowitz[TR] to have a go at it regardless [23:20] DaemonFC I wonder how Matt GULAG's software deals with having to be on the road with folks like that. [23:20] schestowitz[TR] now you will be accused of racism [23:20] starstreak schestowitz[TR], attack surface! [23:20] schestowitz[TR] by a person who the MAJOPRITY of his life was slanderingf trans people [23:20] schestowitz[TR] and now claims to speak for them [23:20] schestowitz[TR] that's like letting brendan eich speaks for gay people [23:21] schestowitz[TR] because a decade ago he changed his mind [23:21] DaemonFC Which Transformer did he/him slander? [23:21] schestowitz[TR] megatron [23:21] schestowitz[TR] megatron-19 [23:21] starstreak finding out Brendan Eich's history is what made me stop using brave, i don't want to make him rich [23:21] highest_cubist_thrills that's like letting brendan eich speaks for gay people <- this seems like a false equivalence [23:21] schestowitz[TR] variant/strain [23:21] schestowitz[TR] "mutation' [23:21] highest_cubist_thrills which is hilarious if youre trying to show him the irony of the logic he put into the anti-rms letter [23:22] DaemonFC I'm not really angry about Brendan Eich's donation to the Prop 8 initiative. [23:22] highest_cubist_thrills but if youre just doing it to defend dfc its a lot funnier, and a lot sadder too [23:22] DaemonFC That actually passed, you know. IN CALIFORNIA. [23:22] DaemonFC Where people "get it" according to Matt GULAG. [23:22] DaemonFC So progressive. [23:22] highest_cubist_thrills because it suggests you believe the same nonsense he did. [23:22] highest_cubist_thrills same sort of ^ [23:22] highest_cubist_thrills ie false equivalence is real argument [23:22] TR News (NEW): #HowTo Use Encrypted Passwords in Shell Scripts on Linux http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/30/How_to_Use_Encrypted_Passwords_in_Shell_Scripts_on_Linux.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/30/How_to_Use_Encrypted_Passwords_in_Shell_Scripts_on_Linux.gmi [23:22] TR Bot Tux Machines How to Use Encrypted Passwords in Shell Scripts on Linux [23:22] schestowitz[TR] i did not say it wa s a perfect equivalent [23:23] schestowitz[TR] but the point being, [23:23] schestowitz[TR] eich is not gay [23:23] schestowitz[TR] and does not speak for them [23:23] highest_cubist_thrills he could be self-hating [23:23] schestowitz[TR] and he did use his money against their merital interests [23:23] highest_cubist_thrills wouldnt be the first self-hating gay christian [23:23] schestowitz[TR] *marital [23:23] DaemonFC He has some employees who are about as queer as a three dollar bill looking at their profile picture. [23:23] DaemonFC Maybe he can't find anyone else in the bay area. [23:23] schestowitz[TR] anyway, about self-driving cars [23:23] schestowitz[TR] it's a jjjjoke [23:24] schestowitz[TR] a farce [23:24] schestowitz[TR] a lunacy [23:24] schestowitz[TR] a pipe dream [23:24] schestowitz[TR] I researched this [23:24] schestowitz[TR] more than a decade agol [23:24] highest_cubist_thrills a self-driving car drives into a bar... [23:24] schestowitz[TR] I even wrote programs to do it [23:24] schestowitz[TR] with "HEY HI" [23:24] highest_cubist_thrills and the bartender says "i told you so" [23:24] schestowitz[TR] before anyone called it "HEY HI" 24/7 [23:24] schestowitz[TR] I used opeenCV [23:24] schestowitz[TR] and trained models with it [23:24] schestowitz[TR] self-driving is fantasy [23:24] schestowitz[TR] unless it's some warehouse [23:24] schestowitz[TR] where everything is meticulously controlled [23:25] schestowitz[TR] highest_cubist_thrills: haha, that's a good one [23:25] highest_cubist_thrills but google has had self-driving cars with human backups ON THE ROAD for a decade no? [23:25] highest_cubist_thrills and isnt that where tesla is trying to go? [23:25] schestowitz[TR] what happened to the "ioishman" at that pub? [23:26] schestowitz[TR] was he busy putting 'secure' boot in that car? [23:26] highest_cubist_thrills he was debating with the german-born british resident [23:26] schestowitz[TR] and gave him covid [23:26] highest_cubist_thrills about some human rights issue [23:26] schestowitz[TR] btw, covid is very prevalent atm [23:26] schestowitz[TR] and I need to meet a friend tomorrow at noon [23:27] schestowitz[TR] masked at a coffee shop [23:27] DaemonFC I'm going to get my next "booster" in about a week. [23:27] DaemonFC Hope for the best. [23:27] schestowitz[TR] happy boosting [23:27] schestowitz[TR] enjoy the 4th placebo [23:27] schestowitz[TR] or 2nd [23:27] DaemonFC It's going to get fucking ugly here in a couple months. [23:27] schestowitz[TR] I always regarded the third to be the first placebo [23:27] DaemonFC We don't know that the bivalent booster will be ineffective. [23:27] DaemonFC The virus has changed a lot and so has the vaccine. [23:27] schestowitz[TR] they said [23:27] DaemonFC It's more like a new vaccine than it is like the old one. [23:27] schestowitz[TR] that's what she said [23:28] schestowitz[TR] they don't even advertise the rrecipe [23:28] schestowitz[TR] all patents [23:28] schestowitz[TR] ingreedients... MAYBE [23:28] schestowitz[TR] if you are a regulator [23:28] TR News COVID-19 was permitted to become very, very prevalent https://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2022/09/30/millions-of-brits-are-currently-covid-19-carriers/ [23:28] DaemonFC I recall seeing things that said 60% genetic deviation from Original COVID for Omicron. [23:28] TR Bot Blog Archive Millions of Brits Are Currently COVID-19 Carriers [23:29] DaemonFC That's kind of bad for it not even having been that long ago, but many people chose to get sick instead of taking precautions. [23:29] schestowitz[TR] yeah [23:29] DaemonFC And so there were a lot of hosts to infect and mutate inside of. [23:29] schestowitz[TR] long-term effects [23:29] starstreak i recently went to a bookstore that used to sell 2600 magazine and they didn't have it anymore :( [23:29] schestowitz[TR] https://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2022/09/27/covid-19-neurological-issues/ [23:29] TR Bot Blog Archive 42% Increase in Risk of Neurological Issues Following COVID-19 Infections (7% Impacted Already) [23:29] schestowitz[TR] https://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2022/09/26/post-covid-alzheimers/ [23:29] TR Bot Blog Archive COVID-19: Permanent, Irreversible Impact on the Brain [23:30] DaemonFC That's why I was after mom to at least go get the medicine for it AFTER she got it and laughed at me for getting vaccinated. [23:30] schestowitz[TR] starstreak: try dejaa news [23:30] schestowitz[TR] gulag groupies [23:30] DaemonFC I don't want her dead or crazier than she already is. [23:30] schestowitz[TR] http://groups.google.com/ [23:30] TR Bot Sign in - Google Accounts [23:31] DaemonFC I liked Deja News and used it all the time before GULAG. [23:31] starstreak i herd u can get warez still on real usenet [23:31] DaemonFC GULAG bought it and started censoring groups immediately. [23:31] schestowitz[TR] it did worse [23:31] schestowitz[TR] and arguably destroyed usenet communities [23:31] schestowitz[TR] it created hit and runners [23:31] DaemonFC Yeah, killed USENET access and then supplanted them. [23:31] schestowitz[TR] people whon knew nothiing about "groups" [23:31] starstreak its still a vibrant place to get warez [23:32] DaemonFC So is BitTorrent. [23:32] schestowitz[TR] just spammed them, broke netiquette, asked questions and then never bothered replying [23:32] starstreak only insane people post real discussions on usenet [23:32] schestowitz[TR] and didn't understand how people were actually using newsgroups [23:32] schestowitz[TR] i used knode for ages [23:32] schestowitz[TR] among other clients, but mostly knode [23:32] starstreak i loved free agent [23:32] starstreak i know its proprietary but it supported the formats for warez [23:33] *highest_cubist_thrills has quit (connection closed) [23:33] schestowitz[TR] now gulag does the same to email [23:33] schestowitz[TR] gmail is atttack on email [23:33] schestowitz[TR] and they deprecate "legacy" protocols [23:33] schestowitz[TR] like IMAPPPPPPPPP and POP [23:33] starstreak daemonfc uses outlook.com for email [23:33] schestowitz[TR] Micrsoft has joined in [23:33] schestowitz[TR] http://techrights.org/2022/09/25/microsoft-vs-pop-and-imap/ [23:33] TR Bot Microsoft is Trying to Eliminate POP3 and IMAP for E-mail (Attack on Commodity or Standard Protocols) | Techrights [23:33] schestowitz[TR] http://techrights.org/2021/08/13/thunderbird-focus/ [23:33] TR Bot Mozilla Should Focus on Improving Thunderbird and Fixing Bugs Instead of Eradicating Innocuous Words | Techrights [23:33] schestowitz[TR] http://techrights.org/2022/03/05/alphabetgulag-is-closing-down-tightening-the-screws-in-the-name-of-security/ [23:33] TR Bot Alphabet/Gulag is Closing Down (Tightening the Screws in the Name of Security) | Techrights [23:33] DaemonFC I use a lot of things for email. [23:34] starstreak thunderbird is trash, its a bloated mess, why does a browser need to pretend its a mail client? [23:34] schestowitz[TR] I tryy to get off of email completely [23:34] DaemonFC I have a GMail, an Outlook Mail, a Vivaldi Mail, a few GMX mails. [23:34] schestowitz[TR] since 2010 [23:34] starstreak evolution is the best mail client imo [23:34] schestowitz[TR] it was created by team mono [23:34] schestowitz[TR] better to avoid it [23:34] schestowitz[TR] novell and microsofters [23:35] starstreak do you think they still work on it though? [23:35] schestowitz[TR] doesn't seem like it [23:35] schestowitz[TR] when was last release? [23:35] schestowitz[TR] its developers are busy working for Microsoft [23:35] schestowitz[TR] attacking us [23:35] schestowitz[TR] with mono and stuff [23:35] schestowitz[TR] the xamarin people [23:36] starstreak 2022-09-26 01:49 UTC [23:36] starstreak well im certainly not going to be using thunderbird anytime soon [23:37] *highest_cubist_thrills (~highest_cubist_thri@iwka63c8q5d52.irc) has joined #techrights [23:37] starstreak i like that evolution makes it really easy to work with the mbox format [23:37] highest_cubist_thrills "i dont believe in evolution, because i believe in intelligent design" [23:37] starstreak i tried claws mail but it looks like shit [23:38] highest_cubist_thrills i do wonder which client they considered "intelligent design" though [23:38] TR News (NEW): Fedora / Red Hat Leftovers http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/30/Fedora_Red_Hat_Leftovers.1.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/30/Fedora_Red_Hat_Leftovers.1.gmi [23:38] TR Bot Tux Machines Fedora / Red Hat Leftovers [23:39] *techuser has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [23:39] schestowitz[TR] opera has something [23:39] highest_cubist_thrills lol [23:39] schestowitz[TR] someone from epo has asked foir alternatives [23:39] schestowitz[TR] said he was hooked on some opera something [23:39] schestowitz[TR] that made it easy [23:39] starstreak i mean i could install office 2016 in wine and use outlook [23:39] schestowitz[TR] but was proprietary [23:40] schestowitz[TR] is outlook any good? [23:40] highest_cubist_thrills /me asks magic 8 ball [23:40] schestowitz[TR] I last saw it as a phd student on the supervisor's pc [23:40] highest_cubist_thrills "outlook isnt good" [23:40] schestowitz[TR] like 17 years ago [23:40] *techuser (~techuser@rfm83qjeum9ga.irc) has joined #techrights [23:40] schestowitz[TR] he was mostly using outlook [23:40] starstreak i like outlook [23:40] schestowitz[TR] communicating but not doing or writing much [23:41] starstreak outlook lets you move all your mail into a portable pst file [23:41] starstreak i used outlook for years [23:41] highest_cubist_thrills and then hand it to someone on a train [23:41] schestowitz[TR] exchange is under a massive attack at the moment [23:41] schestowitz[TR] many servers exploited [23:41] starstreak then i ran pst2mbox to convert my pst files into mbox files [23:41] schestowitz[TR] I reckon outlook.com qaffected too [23:41] highest_cubist_thrills while coked up from the christmas party [23:41] schestowitz[TR] and its users [23:41] schestowitz[TR] many another billion boxes compromised [23:41] schestowitz[TR] with passwords and secrets in them [23:41] starstreak i have an @outlook.com address but i dont use it [23:41] schestowitz[TR] and messages from people who do not use Microsoft [23:41] schestowitz[TR] but contacted people who mdo [23:42] highest_cubist_thrills if you are handing someone a pst file on a train, and two asian guys are following you [23:42] starstreak highest_cubist_thrills, XD [23:43] highest_cubist_thrills wad your cash up and give it to the guy playing keytar [23:43] highest_cubist_thrills then again, if you are doing this, youre a horrible person [23:43] starstreak schestowitz[TR], what mail client does KDE support? [23:43] Ariadne KMail [23:43] Ariadne which is tolerable [23:43] starstreak is kmail any good? [23:43] Ariadne it is tolerable [23:44] starstreak ahhh, does it support import/export of mbox? [23:44] Ariadne personally i strongly dislike email [23:44] Ariadne so i am probably not the best person to ask about this [23:44] starstreak fair enough [23:44] schestowitz[TR] I left kmail for thunderbird when thuderbird was around version 0.9 [23:44] starstreak i like evolution on gnome [23:45] starstreak why thunderbird? its so bloated and slow [23:45] schestowitz[TR] thge migration was not pretty [23:45] highest_cubist_thrills "what email clients are still maintained anyway?" [23:45] MinceR evolution is also bloated and slow [23:45] highest_cubist_thrills "evolution, and shittybird, they just came out with a new release" [23:45] DaemonFC https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monopoly_(game) [23:45] starstreak i got alpine working with gmail, then gmail killed non-oath2 clients [23:45] TR Bot Monopoly (game) - Wikipedia [23:45] schestowitz[TR] but I reckon I can find 20+ years old emails given enough determination to decipher the formats of the oldest ones [23:45] highest_cubist_thrills "shittybird, is it any good?" [23:45] highest_cubist_thrills "it sucks" [23:45] MinceR i suspect mutt isn't, but i never got around to trying it because my home server fried itself [23:45] DaemonFC I was playing Monopoly on the NES yesterday. [23:46] highest_cubist_thrills "so its not just a clever name" :) [23:46] DaemonFC It's actually not that bad for an NES version. [23:46] starstreak MinceR, i really liked alpine instead of mutt [23:46] *techuser has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [23:46] starstreak but alpine doesn't do anything with mbox [23:46] DaemonFC It occurred to me that taxes in the game are just a damned nuisance that don't benefit any of the players. [23:46] MinceR i don't want to do anything with mbox either [23:46] MinceR i want Maildir and IMAP [23:46] DaemonFC It made me laugh. I never thought of that when I was a kid. [23:46] starstreak i have all my old mail in mbox [23:46] TR News Hari Rana misses the point that ICBM actively lobbies AGAINST the interests of Fedora https://theevilskeleton.gitlab.io/2022/09/30/the-fedora-project-remains-community-driven.html [23:46] TR Bot The Fedora Project Remains Community Driven | TheEvilSkeleton [23:46] starstreak instead of having thousands of files [23:47] highest_cubist_thrills maildir + tar = instant mbox [23:47] MinceR get a real filesystem? :> [23:47] DaemonFC MinceR, Perhaps because I'm older and see money disappear to the government with little benefit to myself. [23:47] starstreak :P [23:47] MinceR afaik it can be converted either way anyway [23:47] *psymin has quit (Quit: Leaving) [23:47] *psymin has quit (Quit: Leaving) [23:47] DaemonFC Someone should create Racist Monopoly or something. [23:47] TR News Red Hat was pursuing software patents of its own, but AFAIK -- UNLIKE ICBM -- is never LOBBIED for such a policy [23:47] TR News Sending a simple email http://blogs.perl.org/users/den/2022/09/sending-simple-email.html [23:47] TR Bot a simple email | Den Perl Notes [blogs.perl.org] [23:47] highest_cubist_thrills mbox: yo dawg, we herd you like text... [23:48] starstreak i have 15 years of email, 2.4GB [23:48] TR News Perl Weekly Challenge 184: Sequence Number and Split Array http://blogs.perl.org/users/laurent_r/2022/09/perl-weekly-challenge-184-sequence-number-and-split-array.html [23:48] TR Bot Weekly Challenge 184: Sequence Number and Split Array | laurent_r [blogs.perl.org] [23:48] highest_cubist_thrills /me pastes all of britneys files into one GIANT file [23:48] DaemonFC Community Chest card: "Big Government wants 40% of your money to give to a welfare mom. Pay up or go to jail for 20 turns." [23:48] highest_cubist_thrills there you go! its mbox [23:48] starstreak lol [23:48] DaemonFC I think there was already a Ghettoopoly game though. [23:48] DaemonFC With crack dealers and pimps and stuff. [23:49] DaemonFC https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ghettopoly [23:49] TR Bot Ghettopoly - Wikipedia [23:49] highest_cubist_thrills /me would NOT fuck with mbox if it were a feature of anything he forked [23:49] highest_cubist_thrills i would EXPECT a lynch mob [23:49] DaemonFC Loan Sharks [23:49] DaemonFC The Projects [23:49] highest_cubist_thrills though its not my first choice either [23:49] DaemonFC mjg59_'s head exploding. [23:49] highest_cubist_thrills with maildir you can just... you know, use anything on that shit [23:50] highest_cubist_thrills you could do that with mbox too, but why [23:50] DaemonFC Skills: Simple mathematics (such as counting, finding percentages and multiplication); [23:50] DaemonFC social skills; [23:50] DaemonFC negotiation [23:50] starstreak evolution uses 70MB of ram and the UI is very responsive, importing and exporting pst is fast too [23:50] DaemonFC Well, a racist would say that this keeps the fun primarily in the hands of white players. [23:50] highest_cubist_thrills just gonna read my email *matrix scene where all the guns come out, except its a text file* [23:50] DaemonFC The ones that can do simple math and negotiate without pulling an Uzi. [23:50] TR News (NEW): Fedora 38 Wallpaper in motion! http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/30/Fedora_38_Wallpaper_in_motion.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/30/Fedora_38_Wallpaper_in_motion.gmi [23:50] TR Bot Tux Machines Fedora 38 Wallpaper in motion! [23:51] starstreak you can always tell when Roy is involved with a site when you see a NO SSL message [23:51] *techuser (~techuser@i8gtth78frzk8.irc) has joined #techrights [23:51] MinceR can i? [23:51] highest_cubist_thrills yes hes the last holdout [23:51] highest_cubist_thrills no one else does that [23:51] schestowitz[TR] not rue [23:52] schestowitz[TR] my site supports https [23:52] schestowitz[TR] my site supports https [23:52] schestowitz[TR] tuxmachines supports https [23:52] schestowitz[TR] techrights supports https [23:52] starstreak self signed [23:52] schestowitz[TR] it does not recommend it [23:52] schestowitz[TR] starstreak: yes, so? [23:52] schestowitz[TR] bakersoift doesn't fancy it? [23:52] starstreak firefox throws up a warning [23:52] schestowitz[TR] bakersoft, whose cso is literally cia? [23:53] starstreak i always got to click "continue anyway" [23:53] schestowitz[TR] http://techrights.org/2022/09/10/mozilla-three-letter-agencies/ [23:53] TR Bot Mozilla Hired Top-Level Managers Directly From the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA), Can They Be Trusted on Privacy? | Techrights [23:53] schestowitz[TR] mozilla is a gafam company [23:53] schestowitz[TR] follow the wmoney [23:53] schestowitz[TR] pantagon [23:53] schestowitz[TR] andf surveillance capitalism [23:53] starstreak pantagon! [23:54] MinceR pantsagon [23:54] MinceR even worse than the tentagon [23:54] highest_cubist_thrills /me pictures the pantagon as being shaped like 5 pairs of trousers joined at the waist [23:54] MinceR it's underpants, though [23:54] highest_cubist_thrills no surprise, they also run pantagonia [23:54] MinceR :> [23:54] highest_cubist_thrills it's underpants, though <- its ALWAYS underpands [23:54] MinceR it's a real pantamonium in there [23:55] highest_cubist_thrills this channel is where typographic accuracy goes to die [23:55] highest_cubist_thrills "type carefully boys and girls, otherwise god will send you to #techrights" [23:56] MinceR and here i thought i usually typed carefully [23:56] highest_cubist_thrills well someone has to [23:57] schestowitz[TR] typorights [23:57] schestowitz[TR] esp. if standing up [23:58] schestowitz[TR] "kids, don't sit all the time" [23:58] schestowitz[TR] "otherwise you end up with legs like Torvalds'" [23:59] schestowitz[TR] http://techrights.org/wp-content/uploads/2022/09/torvalds-40s.png