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schestowitz> Still not published, but I’m highlighting how the vendor companies andOct 30 00:24
schestowitz> permatemp employees depended on by big tech companies function as aOct 30 00:24
schestowitz> hedge against unionization. Any links to big tech union busting would beOct 30 00:24
schestowitz> appreciated.Oct 30 00:24
schestowitz> Oct 30 00:24
schestowitz> https://medium.com/@wtfmitchel/organized-labor-shelters-af64a7c0d3c9 Oct 30 00:24
schestowitz> Oct 30 00:24
schestowitz> Cheers,Oct 30 00:24
schestowitzGood work.Oct 30 00:24
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Organized Labor Shelters - Mitchel Lewis - MediumOct 30 00:24
schestowitzMay I suggest you look through;Oct 30 00:24
schestowitzhttp://techrights.org/2008/11/15/microsoft-layoffs-roundup/Oct 30 00:24
schestowitzhttp://techrights.org/2009/02/27/msft-cuts-temp-wages/Oct 30 00:24
schestowitzThere are more.Oct 30 00:24
schestowitzI'd love to have more insider accounts of these.Oct 30 00:24
schestowitz Oct 30 00:24
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Microsoft Layoffs Actually Began Years Ago, More Likely to Come | TechrightsOct 30 00:24
schestowitzPlease note I do know some people who work at Microsoft, but giving names would give them trouble.Oct 30 00:24
schestowitzWish I covered Microsoft as closely as I did a decade back.Oct 30 00:24
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Microsoft Cuts by Another 10%… of Wages | TechrightsOct 30 00:24
schestowitzstupid DSTOct 30 00:34
schestowitzbreaking some applications we madeOct 30 00:34
schestowitzmy findingsOct 30 00:34
schestowitz"Oct 30 00:34
schestowitz We have been investigating what happened and how it can be prevented in the future.Oct 30 00:34
schestowitz Oct 30 00:34
schestowitz Every time the clock goes back vessels don't show up. These things do get 'resolved' after an hour and the way time changes are handled depends on the OS, either Windows (application server) or GNU/Linux (the rest).Oct 30 00:34
schestowitz Oct 30 00:34
schestowitzA colleagues has clicked on the Event Viewer to see logs for Windows servers. Looking into App1 logs, when the clock reached 2:00:00 it automatically adjusted its clock to 1:00:00. Also, similarly, App2 shows that this system clock was adjusted automatically at 2:00:00Oct 30 00:34
schestowitzBoth servers are configured with the correct time zone, GMT Standard Time, (UTC), Dublin, Edinburgh, Lisbon, London. Also, they are both programmed to change automatically on Sunday 29 of March 2020 at 1:00 am.Oct 30 00:34
schestowitzThe colleague checked DB1 using date command and it is on the right timezone:Oct 30 00:34
schestowitzTue 29 Oct 07:51:03 GMT 2019Oct 30 00:34
schestowitzNotice GMT.Oct 30 00:34
schestowitzThis October issue isn't new; the same hour 'happened' twice, so we cannot expect that to be handled too gracefully. One thing we can do to overcome this is ignore  and bypass DST altogether, choosing timezone settings that have no 'leap' hours or recurring hours at all; then we would need to calculate front end (user side) timezone/time a little differently perhaps. I think that with UTC we would have fewer issues, especially in the face of Oct 30 00:34
schestowitzDST.Oct 30 00:34
schestowitzIn the more distant past (past years but not last year) the log files were flooded with postgres errors when attempts were made to override data of 'past' times, so this is one criterion for us to monitor at these 'awkward' times (repetition of an hour).Oct 30 00:34
schestowitzOne option we may also have is to simply alert clients in advance every October -- stressing that these clock changes may cause temporary issues. To them, the time ambiguity still exists. For instance, at >which< 1:30am did the cable trigger an alert? The 'first' 1:30 or the 'second' 1:30? No wonder there are legislative motions, including in Europe, to abolish DST altogether. There are other (non-tech) issues associated with it.Oct 30 00:34
schestowitzIn summary, to better handle this in the future we might want to alert clients and ensure log files can cope (with recurring hours) or to change the way things work so as to ensure our systems never use DST at all -- a change that would likely then require further work (possible code) on the application side.Oct 30 00:34
schestowitz"Oct 30 00:34
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-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: What OSI Affiliates Are Doing For Open Source. http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/129863 [https://pleroma.site/objects/510d4bb3-4a10-45dd-bb7a-7a0ba47a8b35]Oct 30 01:28
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Games: Humble Day, RetroArch, Eight Dragons, ULTRAKILL, The Masquerade http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/129864 [https://pleroma.site/objects/4bff35eb-951a-416d-9cce-8741cd759e7d]Oct 30 01:33
chomwittinteresting , Sarah Mei , re fefers to Jacob Applebaum incident in 2016 that changed the tor projects boards of directors. and i think Coleman is now in it..Oct 30 01:35
schestowitzcan you elaborate?Oct 30 01:35
schestowitzlinks also?Oct 30 01:35
chomwittone momentOct 30 01:35
chomwitthttps://www.torproject.org/about/people/Oct 30 01:36
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.torproject.org | Tor Project | PeopleOct 30 01:36
schestowitzcoleman is not so badOct 30 01:37
schestowitzMei isOct 30 01:37
schestowitzColeman, you might argue, was misled by mediaOct 30 01:37
schestowitzbut based on her track record (many years), she's sort of okOct 30 01:37
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Web Software: Rclone Browser, WordPress, Kiwi TCMS http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/129865 [https://pleroma.site/objects/0abbd831-e65c-4be8-babe-5cd33ebe88d8]Oct 30 01:38
chomwittokOct 30 01:39
schestowitzunless you are aware of further links between the abovementioned peopleOct 30 01:39
chomwitti dont know details about the Applebaum case so i stopOct 30 01:39
schestowitzEFF's Julian York blocked me over itOct 30 01:40
schestowitzfor merely RTing something about it!Oct 30 01:40
schestowitzYork is the EFF's "free speech" personOct 30 01:40
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chomwittbut i feel little strange tha coleman is on the tor project , while he wants nerds techies abolish political leverage.Oct 30 01:41
chomwittit seem paradoxicalOct 30 01:41
chomwitthe/sheOct 30 01:41
schestowitzshe's quite into activism actuallyOct 30 01:42
schestowitzhisrorically tooOct 30 01:43
schestowitzI think she also wrote books about itOct 30 01:43
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*schestowitz recalls something about mei being involved in some project like mastodon but not sure...Oct 30 01:47
schestowitz(maybe Diaspora)Oct 30 01:47
oiaohmhttps://www.zdnet.com/article/new-unremovable-xhelper-malware-has-infected-45000-android-devices/  this is a fun infection.Oct 30 02:02
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-New 'unremovable' xHelper malware has infected 45,000 Android devices | ZDNetOct 30 02:02
schestowitzcimpanu trollOct 30 02:03
schestowitzwife saw itOct 30 02:03
schestowitzdon't feed these anti-Linux idiotsOct 30 02:03
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oiaohmschestowitz: https://blog.malwarebytes.com/android/2019/08/mobile-menace-monday-android-trojan-raises-xhelper/  << it is a serous mess.   Make the libre 5 and the pinephone look good option thinking you can do factory reset by removing the phones internal storage and completely rewriting it.Oct 30 02:06
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blog.malwarebytes.com | Mobile Menace Monday: Android Trojan raises xHelper Malwarebytes Labs | Malwarebytes LabsOct 30 02:06
chomwittits funny though , that sarah mei mentions tor project as a paradigm that fsf must follow, meaning to change all its boardOct 30 02:08
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schestowitzshe means FSF should be killedOct 30 02:09
schestowitzthis is what she wantsOct 30 02:09
schestowitzor just work for her and her agendaOct 30 02:09
schestowitzthat's concern trollingOct 30 02:09
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schestowitzfsf is an obstacle to things that ought not existOct 30 02:12
oiaohmschestowitz: the tor project had to change it board a long time ago because it was way too clear that the USA mil had developed it.Oct 30 02:14
schestowitzI don't use torOct 30 02:15
schestowitzit's even more odious since they got rid of JakeOct 30 02:15
schestowitzand it felt like this was done under the guise of diversityOct 30 02:15
schestowitzwhen it fact reaffirming establishmeOct 30 02:15
schestowitzwhen it fact reaffirming establishment biasOct 30 02:15
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-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Links 30/10/2019: Fedora 31 Released, IDAD 2019 Report, Python 3.5.8 Ready http://techrights.org/2019/10/29/fedora-31-released/ [https://pleroma.site/objects/acec5793-171d-45ad-8047-31f69f7fd9ea]Oct 30 03:21
schestowitz"Oct 30 04:14
schestowitzThe non-profit leader was sick over the entire thing and I hesitate to even disclose this information -- except the LF did this.. and ultimately, those laptops were used for the greater good but the means by which these were acquired and the method and farce of it all, is important to know...Oct 30 04:14
schestowitzI don't know what you can do with this information. I want to help, not injure any organization, especially those that serve underprivileged youth. Oct 30 04:14
schestowitzHowever, the Linux Foundation did do this, according to a very good source.Oct 30 04:14
schestowitzThe makerspaces were already existing in Canada, the underprivileged youth in the area are able to find resources. Oct 30 04:14
schestowitz"Oct 30 04:14
schestowitz-SourceOct 30 04:14
schestowitzThanks, I will keep these notes. They might come handy later.Oct 30 04:14
schestowitzwowOct 30 04:14
schestowitzLF is so evilOct 30 04:14
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oiaohmschestowitz: the most common open source development process is a dictatorship model.   So its not just that the Linux Foundation alone is evil.    The Open Source development model has its own skeletons. Oct 30 04:41
oiaohmFree speech and open source development for a long time have not been exactly the same thing.Oct 30 04:43
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oiaohmI think some of the trouble about the CoC and the Linux kernel and RMS with FSF is the the idea that some how Free software stuff was above the general rules of business that are imposed by the government where you are operating.Oct 30 04:46
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Guest Contribution: Linux Foundation spoke of “quid pro quo” in the context of poor children http://techrights.org/2019/10/29/lf-quid-pro-quo-linux-foundation-inequality-info/ http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/Linux_Foundation [https://pleroma.site/objects/48c787ad-c643-4185-965a-02bf912cdaf8]Oct 30 04:48
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jagadeesdoes anybody know Wt?Oct 30 07:36
jagadeeshttps://www.webtoolkit.eu/wtOct 30 07:36
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.webtoolkit.eu | Wt, C++ Web Toolkit — EmwebOct 30 07:36
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MinceRhttps://twitter.com/RungRage/status/1188853620541775872Oct 30 08:53
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@RungRage: So, it's public now. Domain controller-level access at Kudankulam Nuclear Power Plant. The government was notified… https://t.co/KWEfRFdmROOct 30 08:53
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@RungRage: So, it's public now. Domain controller-level access at Kudankulam Nuclear Power Plant. The government was notified… https://t.co/KWEfRFdmROOct 30 08:53
MinceRdomain controller == windowsOct 30 08:53
schestowitzgood catchOct 30 08:59
oiaohmMinceR: Kerberos Domain Controller or Samba Domain controller  are two other options.Oct 30 09:13
oiaohmMinceR: as per normal Microsoft in a lot of cases does not come up with a new name but reuses a older parties name instead.Oct 30 09:14
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/zoobab/status/1189165532840448000Oct 30 09:18
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@zoobab: After the legislator discarted our massive petitions, it's our responsability to replace the corrupted legislator b… https://t.co/8GWCkoe7oyOct 30 09:18
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@zoobab: After the legislator discarted our massive petitions, it's our responsability to replace the corrupted legislator b… https://t.co/8GWCkoe7oyOct 30 09:18
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kaniinischestowitz: actually, the story of the lightning connector is more complicated than thatOct 30 12:50
kaniiniit is quite funnyOct 30 12:51
kaniiniapple and intel originally proposed lightning as a proposal for the usb-c connectorOct 30 12:51
kaniiniapple, being arrogant, assumed their design would win outOct 30 12:52
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kaniiniso they started pushing it as lightningOct 30 12:52
kaniiniand now they are stuck having to support a partner ecosystem around itOct 30 12:52
kaniinibut internally lightning is being deprecated in favor of usb-c slowlyOct 30 12:52
schestowitzI didn't know thatOct 30 12:55
schestowitzall I know is, we're left with a messOct 30 12:55
schestowitzsitting is out it possibleOct 30 12:55
schestowitz[12:52] <kaniini> but internally lightning is being deprecated in favor of usb-c slowlyOct 30 12:55
schestowitzmini-USB, micro-USB... you name it.... I don't want anything that needs converters... remember Sony miniDisc?Oct 30 12:56
kaniinithat's why i like usb-cOct 30 12:56
schestowitz(how did that turn out for people who amassed collections? I know one from  uni)Oct 30 12:56
kaniiniit's a universal connector that is compact enough to be used in small devicesOct 30 12:56
schestowitzI don't mind sizeOct 30 12:56
schestowitzsize is overrated for devicesOct 30 12:56
schestowitz(she said)Oct 30 12:56
schestowitzthe important thing is that those things are functional, not 'chic'Oct 30 12:57
kaniinii don't mind size either, but it is a good connectorOct 30 12:57
kaniiniit solves a lot of problems with original USBOct 30 12:57
schestowitzhow long will it last? Can I use it 15 years from now?Oct 30 12:57
kaniini(so does lightning)Oct 30 12:57
kaniiniyes, i think soOct 30 12:57
schestowitztime will tell, I'll make notes [evil grin]Oct 30 12:57
kaniini"can i use it 15 years from now" is one of the reasons why apple is stuck supporting lightning btwOct 30 12:57
schestowitzbarelyOct 30 12:58
kaniiniwell, yes, more like 5 years ;)Oct 30 12:58
schestowitzhow long did serial port last?Oct 30 12:58
schestowitzHow many new PCs even support PS/2 port?Oct 30 12:58
kaniiniDB9 is *still* in use :)Oct 30 12:58
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schestowitzkaniini: if you look hardOct 30 12:58
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schestowitz(won't be cheap, either)Oct 30 12:58
kaniinimy enterprise laptop has a DB9 connectorOct 30 12:58
kaniiniand some sort of 'rugged USB' that reuses the PS2 port connectorOct 30 12:59
schestowitzmust be an expensive laptop if it's newOct 30 13:00
kaniinidon't know, didn't pay for itOct 30 13:00
schestowitz:-DOct 30 13:00
kaniiniaccording to the quote i saw it was like $3400 thoughOct 30 13:00
schestowitzI buy laptops for $200 at mostOct 30 13:01
schestowitzmaybe 250Oct 30 13:01
kaniiniit has a radeon vega 64 gpu as a moduleOct 30 13:01
kaniinipop the bluray drive out, put gpu inOct 30 13:01
kaniiniits pretty cool reallyOct 30 13:01
kaniiniand it has corebootOct 30 13:01
schestowitzfree as in $3400Oct 30 13:01
schestowitzlolOct 30 13:01
*schestowitz in sarcastic mood todayOct 30 13:02
kaniinibut yeahOct 30 13:02
kaniinilightning is a hubris moment for appleOct 30 13:02
kaniinithey assumed they had that shit with USB-COct 30 13:02
kaniiniand went hardOct 30 13:02
kaniiniand then USB-C went with a different designOct 30 13:02
schestowitzI never used usb-c I thinkOct 30 13:02
kaniinilightning and usb-c solve some problems with usb in a good wayOct 30 13:03
schestowitzI stay with old stuff if possible, with things that are likely to work for while, a decade at leastOct 30 13:03
schestowitzI'd rather use the spare money to buy foodOct 30 13:03
kaniinifor example the *legit* lightning and usb-c cables, the ones that correctly follow spec and are certifiedOct 30 13:03
kaniinihave a surge protection circuit inside the connectorOct 30 13:03
schestowitzseems redundantOct 30 13:03
kaniiniit's notOct 30 13:04
schestowitzif not spurious, obsoleteOct 30 13:04
schestowitzmaybe in some countries surges are a real potent riskOct 30 13:04
kaniiniif you plug in your device using a dodgy chargerOct 30 13:04
kaniinithe charger itself can be putting out voltage that is out of specOct 30 13:04
kaniiniand that's what the protection is forOct 30 13:04
schestowitzmaybe frequent travelers need thatOct 30 13:04
kaniiniit's not travelers, but idiotsOct 30 13:05
schestowitzI also know of malicious USB devices that fry motherboardsOct 30 13:05
kaniiniwho buy chargers for their car or whatever at the gas stationOct 30 13:05
schestowitzand the snakeoil 'sec' industry treats unknown cables as "risk"... as if you plug into the most malicious things in malicious placesOct 30 13:05
schestowitz(makes good headlines though)Oct 30 13:05
MrGreenFriendUSB-C is the great.  it will be around in a decade, too.   https://www.reddit.com/r/UsbCHardwareOct 30 13:06
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.reddit.com | USB Type-C devices & hardwareOct 30 13:06
schestowitzbecause it's USBOct 30 13:06
kaniiniwell, if you buy a cheap charger that is not conformant to spec, and plug your $800 phone into it and your cheap non-conformant cable just passes through 30V to your phone and your phone dies...Oct 30 13:06
schestowitzas long as Intel sells so many boardsOct 30 13:06
MrGreenFriendi try to only buy USB-C stuff, from now on.  :)Oct 30 13:07
kaniiniand that's the whole point of usb-c ;)Oct 30 13:07
kaniinibut you have to be carefulOct 30 13:07
kaniinibecause a lot of usb-c cables lieOct 30 13:07
schestowitzSounds like a plan!! >> passes through 30V to your phone and your phone dies...Oct 30 13:07
kaniiniand say they have surge protectionOct 30 13:07
kaniiniand can take XYZ voltageOct 30 13:07
kaniiniand then when it negotiates power delivery of 30V at 5A, the cable catches fireOct 30 13:08
schestowitzdocking stations like my Palm's would take the hit/heatOct 30 13:08
kaniiniknockoff usb-c cables are something to be really wearyOct 30 13:08
kaniinischestowitz: yeah, the idea is that the cable takes the hitOct 30 13:08
kaniinibecause a $20 usb-c cable is much less of a hit than an $800 phoneOct 30 13:08
kaniiniof course, the best way to avoid all of this is just to get legit cables and legit chargersOct 30 13:09
kaniinibut people are people and they want to go get the cheap stuffOct 30 13:09
schestowitzwe're trained this wayOct 30 13:10
schestowitzesp. when they tell us to swap devices and buy new ones every 2-3 yearsOct 30 13:10
kaniinibut usb-c is really an amazing specOct 30 13:10
schestowitzif more people invested in 10-year devices/machinesOct 30 13:10
schestowitzthen they're 'kill' the industryOct 30 13:10
schestowitzlike MrGreenFriend's friends Eric didOct 30 13:10
MrGreenFriendschestowitz, USB-C is safer, in that it is harder to make a "BadUSB  cable, because it is smaller. https://www.csoonline.com/article/3087484/say-hello-to-badusb-20-usb-man-in-the-middle-attack-proof-of-concept.htmlOct 30 13:10
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.csoonline.com | Say hello to BadUSB 2.0: A USB man-in-the-middle attack proof of concept | CSO OnlineOct 30 13:11
kaniiniwellOct 30 13:11
kaniinithere's plenty of waysOct 30 13:11
kaniinito make a BadUSB cableOct 30 13:11
kaniiniin USB-COct 30 13:11
schestowitzas if that's our main worryOct 30 13:11
kaniinifor example, the cable could MITM the power delivery negotiationOct 30 13:11
MrGreenFriendkaniini, but they would buldge too much, and be obviously suspectOct 30 13:11
schestowitzsometimes physically handing to us a malicious cableOct 30 13:11
kaniiniand suddenly you have a cable who will say "i want 30V" when in reality your device will die if given 30VOct 30 13:12
kaniinilolOct 30 13:12
schestowitzour politicians need to make more use of paperOct 30 13:12
kaniinilikeOct 30 13:13
kaniinithere's a lot of counterfeit usb-c cables on amazonOct 30 13:13
kaniiniwhere they just bridge together the two pins on the cable so it says "oh yeah, send max voltage, i have surge protection"Oct 30 13:14
kaniiniand then when you do this, it fries your device :DOct 30 13:14
schestowitzmore salesOct 30 13:14
kaniinihttps://www.amazon.com/review/R2XDBFUD9CTN2ROct 30 13:15
MrGreenFriendschestowitz, politicians delayed/hampered the innovation of USB-C, by requiring Micro-USB-B  (in Europe)Oct 30 13:15
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.amazon.com | NO TITLEOct 30 13:15
kaniiniterrifying stuff to read ^^^Oct 30 13:15
MrGreenFriendkaniini, yes, but that review is almost 4 years old.  I think it is has gotten saferOct 30 13:17
kaniiniit hasn'tOct 30 13:18
kaniinithere's still a ton of counterfeit cablesOct 30 13:18
kaniinithis is not me knocking USB-COct 30 13:18
kaniinibtwOct 30 13:18
kaniinii like USB-COct 30 13:18
kaniinii am just saying that *legit* cables are supposed to have protection circuits in themOct 30 13:18
kaniiniwhich is an improvement over original USB :)Oct 30 13:19
kaniiniof courseOct 30 13:20
kaniinimost likely that pixel could be fixed easilyOct 30 13:20
kaniinidevices which charge over usb-c tend to have an intersil IC that goes bad when exposed to that level of overcurrentOct 30 13:20
MrGreenFriendkaniini, yeh, counterfeit cables have gotten more well made.  because it is now cheaper to make the protection-circuitsOct 30 13:21
kaniiniyeah but they still make them lieOct 30 13:21
kaniiniand say they can take 30V when in reality they can only safely take 5VOct 30 13:21
kaniinii wouldn't trust any cable off amazon except like anker tbhOct 30 13:21
MrGreenFriendkaniini, here is a question:  why do some USB-C devices *only* charge with a USB-A -> USB-C cable?  (and not a full USB-C -> USB-C cable)?Oct 30 13:22
kaniini(this is a problem with lightning cables too)Oct 30 13:22
MrGreenFriendkaniini,  i like monoprice brandOct 30 13:22
kaniiniMrGreenFriend: that is indicative of a defective cable -- try turning the usb-c side aroundOct 30 13:22
MrGreenFriendhttps://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1aIrp3qjlw6cyZ77ZJkdPTcURj6R5ZyWOSE-3-iPCMtcOct 30 13:23
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-docs.google.com | USB-C Bluetooth Speaker List - Google SheetsOct 30 13:24
MrGreenFriendoh, they must have updated this... it used to show a bunch of speakers that listed "no" for C2C chargingOct 30 13:24
kaniiniyeah there's no electrical reason for C2C charging to not work at least at 5VOct 30 13:24
kaniinihigher than 5V requires negotiationOct 30 13:24
MrGreenFriendhttps://www.reddit.com/r/UsbCHardware/comments/cnovxo/updated_all_usbc_bluetooth_speakersOct 30 13:25
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.reddit.com | (UPDATED) All USB-C Bluetooth speakers. : UsbCHardwareOct 30 13:25
kaniiniif your cable lies, welp ;)Oct 30 13:25
kaniini(to clarify: the negotiation has two phases.  the peer device states it can take up to 30V, and then the cable states it can take up to 30V, whichever the lower maximum is what will be negotiated)Oct 30 13:26
MrGreenFriende.g.  "JBL Charge 4 is not compliant" .   hmm, maybe thats why they took it off the list.  cuz it only charges A2C, not C2C.  so weird??Oct 30 13:27
MrGreenFriendhttps://www.jbl.com/bluetooth-speakers/JBL+CHARGE+4.html    WTF, for $180  Oct 30 13:27
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-JBL Charge 4 | Portable Bluetooth speakerOct 30 13:27
kaniinii would assume to be "compliant" it would need to be able to charge ambidextriously in a C2C scenarioOct 30 13:28
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kaniiniwhich, depending on how the port is wired (for example if it's just a dummy usb-c port), it may only be wired one wayOct 30 13:28
kaniinibut it will only charge at 5V in that caseOct 30 13:28
kaniiniin an A2C scenario, both sides are bridgedOct 30 13:29
kaniinilike on a lightning cableOct 30 13:29
kaniinibut C2C is more complexOct 30 13:29
MrGreenFriendambidextriously &  C2C    are  diff things.  e.g.  my external HDD's cable, has notches, for the optional adapter (USB-C -> USB-A)  only fit one way.Oct 30 13:30
MrGreenFriendbut my HDD is still C2COct 30 13:31
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XRevan86https://joindiaspora.com/p/16379206 hmOct 30 13:43
XRevan86The article makes big inaccuracies, but it does make me wonder: how common is an nginx configuration that makes the bug expoitable?Oct 30 13:43
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XRevan86They also link to Nextcloud, which is still just one single example of it.Oct 30 13:44
XRevan86I won't count ownCloud as a second example %); also I just checked – they didn't fix the manual: https://doc.owncloud.com/server/admin_manual/installation/nginx_configuration.htmlOct 30 13:45
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XRevan86Still completely trusting the "fastcgi_split_path_info ^(.+\.php)(/.*)$" regex.Oct 30 13:46
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kaniiniMrGreenFriend: c2c is always ambidexterous (and C is always ambidexterous on the C end in a conformant setup)Oct 30 15:14
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MrGreenFriendby 'ambidextrous', u mean 'flip' like these arrows, right?  https://www.tizi.tv/epa/epa_item_file.php/1842/tizi-flip-usbc-data-en.jpgOct 30 15:23
MrGreenFriendso then why does my "USB-C -> USB-A adapter" have notches on it? to only fit one 'flippin' way?Oct 30 15:24
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schestowitz> (the above was of course not from me). I am just wondering, the UK isOct 30 18:12
schestowitz> bent to leave the EU, why not the European Patent Office. We both knowOct 30 18:12
schestowitz> that it is no EU institution but... probably there are better reasons toOct 30 18:12
schestowitz> leave the EPO than the EU..."Oct 30 18:12
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schestowitzRe: DRM?>> Can you highlight or copy any text from this document?   I am unable toOct 30 18:41
schestowitz>> in Firefox or Chromium:Oct 30 18:41
schestowitz>>Oct 30 18:41
schestowitz>> https://canalys.com/newsroom/ChinaSmartphoneQ3HuaweiOct 30 18:41
schestowitz> Oct 30 18:41
schestowitz> I can only get some text from page source:Oct 30 18:41
schestowitz> Oct 30 18:41
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