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danielp3344dabblerdude: have you considered a different OS?Dec 30 00:07
danielp3344I assure you there are plenty of options better than win10Dec 30 00:07
dabblerdudeI did originally. I'm trying to sell this one computer that originally had Ubuntu MATE on it. After it failed to sell, I realized that most people would want to buy PCs with 10 on them. Dec 30 00:08
cybrNautXRevan86> dabblerdude: Pass an inspection. <= can you elaborate?  I was told win10 is gratis, which implies that it's legal Dec 30 00:09
XRevan86cybrNaut: If it's not activated, then no.Dec 30 00:10
XRevan86There are catches here. I'm not a specialist on the topic.Dec 30 00:10
cybrNautdanielp3344: i recently encountered a shitty Canon MFD driver, where you must run Windows to send a fax (the linux driver doesn't support the fax, wine doesn't work, and ReactOS does not work)  Did I miss anything?Dec 30 00:10
XRevan86cybrNaut: That's just an anecdote %)Dec 30 00:11
XRevan86Here my anecdote: I have a scanner that works, but drivers for Windows are a goner, so if I were a Windows user, I'd trash it already.Dec 30 00:12
danielp3344cybrNaut: Last time I sent a fax I hacked something together with SIPDec 30 00:12
danielp3344I forget how well it workedDec 30 00:12
danielp3344It was mostly an experimentDec 30 00:12
cybrNautdanielp3344: I'm using SIP... that's the upstream setup, but the MFD is the thing doing the sendingDec 30 00:13
XRevan86danielp3344: "I forget" – well, don't then, stop forgetting.Dec 30 00:13
danielp3344 cybrNaut get a sip client for your pc and do the faxing there?Dec 30 00:13
danielp3344there are a few programs that support it I thinkDec 30 00:13
cybrNautdanielp3344: i might mess with hylafax.. is that what you used?Dec 30 00:15
danielp3344noDec 30 00:16
dabblerdude 30 00:27
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Imgur: The magic of the InternetDec 30 00:27
dabblerdudeYou can do this legitimately. So it is legal.Dec 30 00:28
dabblerdudeIt's not done with Microsoft Toolkit or any other warez.Dec 30 00:28
dabblerdudeSee the setup screen there? That's what I had to go through when I was setting up an unactivated version of it.Dec 30 00:28
cybrNauti thought win10 was gratis because MS profits from ads and surveillance capitalism.  Dec 30 00:30
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MinceRlolDec 30 00:31
danielp3344cybrNaut: did you really think they'd stop there? :PDec 30 00:31
dabblerdudeMicrosoft has taken a different approach when dealing with unactivated versions of Windows 10 compared to previous versions like 7, Vista, or XP.Dec 30 00:31
cybrNautdanielp3344: it's not speculation.  Someone told me it was gratis, and that person gave me a link to download win10 directly from MS servers.  And the link worked.  I was not asked to pay.  And, iirc, I was not asked for a product code eitherDec 30 00:32
danielp3344¯\_(ツ)_/¯Dec 30 00:32
danielp3344I don't really know much about windowsDec 30 00:32
danielp3344thankfully I haven't had to touch it for about 5 years nowDec 30 00:32
cybrNautit was like 5+ yrs ago that I dealt with itDec 30 00:33
cybrNautso i'm not really in touch with it.. i just recall the guy was quite confident that MS no longer sold it for moneyDec 30 00:34
dabblerdudeSo what I did was I downloaded the Microsoft Creation Tool from their website, downloaded a Windows 10 iso from the tool officially, went through the setup screen and installed an unactivated version of 10 legitimately.Dec 30 00:34
dabblerdudeWhat I wanted to know is that, what big features does an unactivated version disable compared to an activated one besides not being able to change the default wallpaper?Dec 30 00:35
danielp3344changeable wallpaper is a 'feature'? lolDec 30 00:36
dabblerdudeI'm trying to sell this one computer with that on it and I need to tell the buyer in my description what features you cannot utilize with that compared to an activated version.Dec 30 00:36
MinceRfor microsloth, it isDec 30 00:36
dabblerdudedanielp3344: Yeah, you cannot change the default blue Windows wallpaper with an unactivated version. You're stuck with it forever. Lol.Dec 30 00:36
cybrNautMicrosnot Winblows probably profits from ads on the wallpaperDec 30 00:36
psydroidlol, who cares about the wallpaperDec 30 00:37
dabblerdudeHas anyone in this chat ran an unactivated version before?Dec 30 00:37
psydroidat this point they're probably happy people don't trash windows before it's ever runDec 30 00:38
psydroidyou run an unactivated version until you activate itDec 30 00:38
cybrNauti think i installed win10 w/out activation for a one-off task, then deleted it.. my memory isn't good thoughDec 30 00:39
dabblerdudeI've looked up videos with the differences between activated and unactivated versions but the problem is is that most of those videos are 2 years old. I run Build 1909, and that came out last month. Those videos show they're running older builds of it.Dec 30 00:39
dabblerdudeOlder than 1909.Dec 30 00:40
dabblerdudeI need to tell the buyer of the computer these things so I don't get into any trouble with them because I failed to mention the important stuff.Dec 30 00:41
psydroidI've installed some versions of win10 unactivated for the same reason, they never last very long because I don't keep more data on it than necessaryDec 30 00:41
psydroidI haven't seen any different behaviour with 1903Dec 30 00:42
cybrNautdanielp3344: so you took no notes on what you used to send a fax on linux w/out any fax hardware?  There is often feature-poor fax modems that call for a software fax modem, but the signal still generally goes through the 2-wire phone line to a phone to a phone line or SIP ATA.  did you successfully send a fax entirely with software?Dec 30 00:42
psydroidof which I have an activated install because the key is in the UEFIDec 30 00:42
psydroidbut all of that is moot, because I run and use GNU/Linux 99.9% of the timeDec 30 00:44
dabblerdudepsydroid: Can you remember what features you could not use when you were running unactivated installs?Dec 30 00:45
dabblerdudeBesides personalization?Dec 30 00:45
psydroiddabblerdude, not really, I just used it to run one application before I reset the machine againDec 30 00:48
psydroidthat's all I use Windows for these daysDec 30 00:48
dabblerdudeDang.Dec 30 00:48
psydroidmaybe set higher resolutions?Dec 30 00:49
psydroidbut even that works fine in VirtualboxDec 30 00:49
XRevan86psydroid: That'd be sillyDec 30 00:49
psydroidit picks up 1920x1080 automaticallyDec 30 00:49
cybrNautdanielp3344: does this ring any bells?  I would like to get something like that going.  Dec 30 00:49
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-GitHub - gonicus/gofaxip: GOfax.IP - T.38 / Fax Over IP backend for HylaFAX using FreeSWITCHDec 30 00:49
cybrNauti wonder if you used asterisk with iaxmodemDec 30 00:54
MinceR30 013727 < psydroid> lol, who cares about the wallpaperDec 30 01:02
MinceRyeah, having Backdoors10 is a much greater problem than not being able to change the wallpaperDec 30 01:02
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psydroidit is, unfortunately I had to use it for a course recently because they couldn't get the lab project to work on LinuxDec 30 01:04
psydroidwhich also meant I had to reinstall the latest version and a few applicationsDec 30 01:05
MinceR 30 01:28
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Tech tips with Uncle Rob - YouTubeDec 30 01:28
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DaemonFC[m]If you don't activate Windows 10 you can't change the theme or wallpaper and there's a watermark that says it isn't activated.Dec 30 04:27
oiaohmAnd it skipping out on installing particular updates as well.Dec 30 04:28
oiaohmso make you more of a security sitting duck.Dec 30 04:28
MinceRyou're a sitting duck securitywise anyway if you run winblowsDec 30 04:29
schestowitzRMS:Dec 30 04:29
schestowitz> You can help me by not writing about the bogus issues that were usedDec 30 04:29
schestowitz> for cancelling me.  What I want is for them to be more or lessDec 30 04:29
schestowitz> forgotten.Dec 30 04:29
schestowitzI understand. I will try not to bring those up anymore.Dec 30 04:29
DaemonFC[m]RMS has made sure that Free Software will be forgotten by mismanaging and running the FSF into the ground.Dec 30 04:49
MinceRis it entirely his fault?Dec 30 04:50
DaemonFC[m]Open source managed to supplant it because the FSF was using money for campaigns against Windows Vista that didn't work and giving Miguel de Icaza and Matthew Garrett positions and awards.Dec 30 04:50
MinceR"open source" was also deliberately targeted at suitsDec 30 04:52
schestowitztrueDec 30 05:02
schestowitzfsf also gives award to dubious peopleDec 30 05:02
schestowitzsame this yearDec 30 05:02
schestowitzpeople whose record is unknown, questionable etc.Dec 30 05:02
schestowitzand later they end up attacking the award giverDec 30 05:02
schestowitzas de raadt did as wellDec 30 05:03
schestowitzparabola is not exploring a fork of openbsd instead of linuxDec 30 05:03
oiaohmThere is a old saying "be-careful what you wish for you just might get it"Dec 30 05:05
oiaohm  Really the four freedoms anything in here exactly forbids digital rights management lockdown.Dec 30 05:07
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | The Free Software Definition - WikipediaDec 30 05:07
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-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Freedb is shutting down []Dec 30 05:22
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: One Of The Reasons Why Linux 5.5 Can Be Running Slower []Dec 30 05:24
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schestowitz 30 08:20
schestowitz"Dec 30 08:20
schestowitzI disabled ad blocking for this specific site. No other sites gets this special treatment.Dec 30 08:20
schestowitzPremium? Depends on forum moderation. So much bad language.Dec 30 08:20
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schestowitz"Dec 30 08:20
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schestowitzkaniini: does not display imagesDec 30 15:26
schestowitzand it's not possible to upload any eitherDec 30 15:26
schestowitzjust thought I'd let you know in case you're not aware already... or maybe there's an issue at my end/accoun tDec 30 15:26
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MinceR 30 15:59
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schestowitz 30 16:21
MinceRlovelyDec 30 16:27
*schestowitz does an article about this..Dec 30 16:28
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-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: #Quantcast : Not a Decent Way to Treat Site Visitors, Paying Members (Subscribers) Included #privacy #phoronix #javascript #news []Dec 30 16:40
schestowitzMinceR:  DaemonFC[m] oiaohm ^^Dec 30 16:44
schestowitzit's about phoronix spyingDec 30 16:45
schestowitzI want to convey this politelyDec 30 16:45
schestowitzso this malware is gradually removedDec 30 16:45
schestowitzI think he added it about a year ago and weeks ago it became impossible to see graphs without JS enabledDec 30 16:45
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MinceR:>Dec 30 17:00
MinceRit's not likely to be removedDec 30 17:00
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schestowitzI knowDec 30 17:05
schestowitzbut... that in itself says something about who's really in charge of the siteDec 30 17:05
schestowitzIIRC, IDG used to be a partnerDec 30 17:05
schestowitzthat was ages afoDec 30 17:05
MinceRindeedDec 30 17:05
schestowitznow... I'm not sure how the spy is connected to the site.. must be some company "in between"Dec 30 17:05
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-TechrightsBot-tr/ | IRCZ makes your life worth living Post objectDec 30 17:20
DaemonFC[m]I took a middle of the road approach to Javascript in Tor Browser.Dec 30 17:20
DaemonFC[m]It's on for HTTPS sites and off for everything else.Dec 30 17:21
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kaniinischestowitz: fixedDec 30 17:30
schestowitz:DDec 30 17:34
DaemonFC[m]Javascript on at all bothers me. Tor says on the middle security setting it disables some of the more dangerous features.Dec 30 17:35
DaemonFC[m]If nothing else, the tor project finds and fixes security problems in Firefox, so it benefits people even if they don't use Tor.Dec 30 17:36
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schestowitzMinceR: holycowDec 30 19:07
MinceRSacred ChaoDec 30 19:07
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oiaohmschestowitz: you can view the graphs on phoronix with Quantcast  blocked.    Key to seeing the graphs is that and is enabled.   I use umatrix.   Dec 30 20:51
oiaohmschestowitz: bigger problem I had not noticed since I filter anything not on my white list straight out.  Quantcast is not listed on the their public privacy policy.Dec 30 20:55
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oiaohmReally google has to get a ton load of information with all the sites that dont' function unless you have enabled.Dec 30 20:57
oiaohmAgain another thing you don't see mentioned in privacy polices a lot.Dec 30 20:57
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XRevan86French gets tu out of ten?Dec 30 21:19
MinceRyeahDec 30 21:19
MinceRactually french seemed less of a clusterfuckDec 30 21:20
XRevan86English gets an ate out of tenDec 30 21:21
MinceR 30 21:37
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XRevan86"jfukhuugb;rm -rf /*;bhjjj" awDec 30 21:39
MinceRlolDec 30 21:39
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MinceR 30 22:39
cubexyzok, I just tested the amiga 500. First boot up since Jan 2017.Dec 30 22:56
cubexyzall systems go for 2020 :)Dec 30 22:56
MinceR:)Dec 30 22:57
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XRevan86psydroid: Is this about "dependency hell"?Dec 30 23:41
psydroidXRevan86, about software bloat, I just started watching it myselfDec 30 23:43
XRevan86Oh, corporate software bloat hellDec 30 23:43
psydroidI was told about it in another channelDec 30 23:44
XRevan86psydroid: He talks about it, but I can tell he's kinda part of the problem %)Dec 30 23:45
XRevan86as he voluntarily uses bloaty softwareDec 30 23:45
psydroidprobably :)Dec 30 23:45
XRevan86"Heartbleed" as an example got me off the railsDec 30 23:46
XRevan86as it's not an example of bloat at allDec 30 23:46
cubexyzthe web browser is the ultimate bloatDec 30 23:46
XRevan86The web browser bloat is pretty much cancer, it slowly consumes more and moreDec 30 23:48
XRevan86The ultimate kitchen sink with no end in sight.Dec 30 23:49
XRevan86Windows Update screwing people up is not an example of bloat either, to be honest.Dec 30 23:49
XRevan86Because it's not a fault of Windows as software evenDec 30 23:49
XRevan86as code quality that isDec 30 23:50
XRevan86It's Microsoft thinking that you ought to install updates, and nothing should stand in that's way.Dec 30 23:51
XRevan86psydroid: So that it feels like a rant.Dec 30 23:53
XRevan86* So far itDec 30 23:53
XRevan86"the word processor from 1990 and the word processor now…" – use LibreOffice Writer then, not graphics-heavy MS Word 2019Dec 30 23:57
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XRevan86Not that it's anywhere near something in 1990, but I don't think he would consider it heavy.Dec 30 23:59
MinceRor AbiWordDec 30 23:59
XRevan86But noo, he'd rather wait until Microsoft Office slaughters his GPU and then rant about it on the Internet.Dec 30 23:59

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