●● IRC: #techrights @ FreeNode: Thursday, December 31, 2020 ●● ● Dec 31 [00:15] *psymin has quit (Quit: Leaving) [00:30] *psymin (~psymin@fsf/member/psymin) has joined #techrights ● Dec 31 [01:04] psydroid the latest video is broken on Firefox on Android, but works on Midori [01:11] psydroid and the older ones work on Firefox, but not on Midori [01:23] *gry has quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds) [01:29] *chomwitt has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) [01:48] *gry (~test@unaffiliated/gryllida) has joined #techrights ● Dec 31 [02:55] *mmu_man has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) ● Dec 31 [03:16] DaemonFC[m] Edge is more compatible than Firefox, it seems. [03:16] DaemonFC[m] I just loaded an Illinois state website that was completely mangled in Firefox. [03:36] MinceR it's a reskin and malware re-encrustment of the only browser anyone seems to be willing to support anymore, so it's not too surprising [03:40] schestowitz psydroid: thanks [03:40] schestowitz maybe better to just use webm [03:42] *GNUmoon has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) ● Dec 31 [04:18] schestowitz Ariadne: I am assuming the current datacenter will last into January... [04:23] schestowitz Got some EPO leaks [04:23] schestowitz and Intel leaks [04:23] schestowitz InteLeaks? [04:36] *GNUmoon (~GNUmoon@gateway/tor-sasl/gnumoon) has joined #techrights [04:36] Ariadne schestowitz: no i intend to cut over tomorrow [04:36] Ariadne i want to make sure there is sufficient timeline to wipe the server [04:41] schestowitz ok, thanks, I'll be around [04:41] schestowitz we have some leaks to publish this week [04:41] schestowitz InteLeaks [04:58] Ariadne in fact if you have time now [04:58] Ariadne we can work on it now [04:59] Ariadne intel leaks like what [04:59] Ariadne their cpus are even more broken than expected? ● Dec 31 [05:00] schestowitz you will see, it's about Linux [05:00] schestowitz maybe we can try to copy across VMs now? [05:00] schestowitz I can delay leaks until the changeover is done (IF done) [05:01] Ariadne my plan is to containerize the current VMs but rsyncing them across [05:01] schestowitz we need more disk space in TR:/home/ [05:01] Ariadne out of curiosity how would you feel if i were to deploy new tech rights alpine environment on IBM s390x? [05:02] Ariadne i mostly ask because i have an IBM mainframe that i bought recently and its sitting around idle [05:02] schestowitz that's fine, if suitable stuff is compiled for that arch [05:02] Ariadne im trying to cut the last of my x86 stuff [05:03] schestowitz most stuff is just simple apache/php [05:03] Ariadne x86 stuff is radioactive imo [05:03] schestowitz wait till you see the leaks [05:03] schestowitz very anti-Linux [05:07] Ariadne i'm not sure that anti-linux is a bad thing anymore [05:07] Ariadne linux is also increasingly problematic [05:08] schestowitz so, ok, pro-Microsoft proprietary [05:08] Ariadne alrighty [05:08] Ariadne let me see how we should do this [05:10] Ariadne i think the first objective should be to resync the database container [05:10] Ariadne then copy over techrights and fire it up in container form [05:10] Ariadne then tuxmachines [05:11] schestowitz yup, sounds good [05:11] schestowitz I think TM will be simpler, in a lot of ways [05:11] Ariadne i also need to remember what IP block i set up for techrights in the new DC [05:11] schestowitz techrights has some moving parts like the bots and stuff and some utils [05:12] schestowitz just a gentle reminder: all the DBs are in the one DB container, except drupal on TM [05:12] Ariadne yeah [05:13] Ariadne so tuxmachines is probably easier [05:13] Ariadne to do first [05:13] Ariadne since we're grabbing the data either way [05:13] schestowitz also smaller in terms of data [05:14] schestowitz most data of TM is in the DB, about 370MB compressed for drupal and some GBs for the screenshots/gallery part [05:14] schestowitz TM www data is in /var/www and for TR /home/ [05:14] schestowitz TM used to be gentoo and Debian-based [05:17] Ariadne ironically, the current IBM HMC appliance for System z is based on Alpine [05:17] Ariadne one must wonder why IBM wasted money on redhat [05:17] Ariadne i'm guessing for the java stuff tbh [05:19] schestowitz I have theories only about IBM's motives [05:22] schestowitz btw, ot in a sense: [05:22] *Ariadne mutters about newest OpenSSH requiring handholding to connect to IOS-XR [05:22] schestowitz 1) we have epo and intel leaks coming, mostly epo, schedule is start of year for those [05:22] schestowitz 2) if we move tm first, we can change dns for that as a test run before TR migration [05:23] Ariadne yes [05:23] schestowitz RMS reads us [05:23] DaemonFC[m] +3,880 today [05:25] schestowitz they still are backlogged [05:25] schestowitz there will be more days like that [05:26] DaemonFC[m] It crossed 350,000 total today. [05:27] schestowitz 20,000,000 cases yesterday [05:27] schestowitz getting harder not to come across present and past carriers [05:28] schestowitz I have not left the house in 10 days [05:28] schestowitz almost a new record [05:28] Ariadne sip-sfo1-dist-core#show run int vl 294 | grep ip [05:28] Ariadne description "techrights" [05:28] Ariadne ip address 23.161.112.113/29 [05:28] Ariadne mmmk [05:28] schestowitz :-) [05:29] Ariadne that means the host is on .114 probably [05:29] Ariadne indeed [05:31] Ariadne btw the x86 blade system is connected by 4x10G LAG straight into the core distribution switch [05:31] schestowitz ah, the one I accessed before? [05:31] Ariadne yeah [05:31] schestowitz even set up a second account on it [05:32] Ariadne btw i am probably going to assign a second IP block to that vlan [05:32] Ariadne at some point [05:32] Ariadne because i have a new IPv4 block [05:32] Ariadne so i'm cleaning up a lot of stuff i did in a hurry [05:36] schestowitz thanks so much [05:37] Ariadne hmmph [05:37] Ariadne lxc is being annoying [05:40] Ariadne [pid 3463] sendfile(44, 43, NULL, 2147479552) = -1 EINVAL (Invalid argument) [05:40] Ariadne hmm [05:40] Ariadne 5.10 issue i guess [05:40] *Ariadne rolls back to 5.4 [05:42] Ariadne cool [05:42] Ariadne 5.4 works [05:42] *viera (~viera@2602:fd37:1::84) has joined #techrights [05:50] Ariadne doing initial rsync [05:50] Ariadne i'll take mysql down temporarily and do another sync [05:52] schestowitz cool, both sites i.e. the container? [05:53] schestowitz either way, I'll carry on posting in TM, it has its own DB (local) [05:55] DaemonFC[m] schestowitz: So I calculated our income. [05:55] schestowitz does not matter [05:55] schestowitz stay on topc [05:55] schestowitz *topci [05:55] schestowitz topic even [05:55] schestowitz we're doing site work at the moment [05:55] DaemonFC[m] Meh, we're not doing too bad. [05:56] DaemonFC[m] The virus has actually helped us oddly enough. [05:56] DaemonFC[m] So far it hasn't done anything for us that wasn't ultimately beneficial. [05:56] Ariadne schestowitz: yes [05:57] schestowitz I won't be touching TR for now [05:57] Ariadne schestowitz: it will just be 1 minute or less. after that, don't touch TR or the shared part of TM [05:57] DaemonFC[m] It ran immigration out of their offices long enough to get our act together and come up with everything we needed. The government sent me $3,600 in stimulus checks.... [05:57] Ariadne schestowitz: i will let you know :) [05:58] DaemonFC[m] If it wasn't for Coronavirus I would be back in Indiana, Mandy would have been ordered to leave the country, and that's just no good. [05:58] schestowitz DaemonFC[m]: we're talking about the sites nopw [05:58] schestowitz you interject life stories [05:59] schestowitz maybe later it's more appropriate [05:59] schestowitz although, tbh, better keep s/n ratio higher by focusing on issues, not tales [05:59] DaemonFC[m] Why is it always office workers everyone is worried about? They aren't worried about anyone else at all. [05:59] schestowitz like when you go on a rant about Windows or something in the WWW ● Dec 31 [06:00] DaemonFC[m] It's never been a more dangerous time to do real work, or a safer time to push papers. No risk of car accidents and exposure to smog and things. [06:01] DaemonFC[m] schestowitz: So what are the cost overhead issues of running a real server vs. virtual hosting? [06:02] Ariadne ? [06:02] Ariadne there's zero cost [06:02] schestowitz 'virtual' hosting [06:02] DaemonFC[m] And is anyone doing virtual instances where it's not a ruse for PRISM and a security disaster? Microsoft was quick to point out that the latest intrusion into Azure "wasn't our fault". [06:02] schestowitz it runs on ait [06:02] schestowitz *air [06:03] DaemonFC[m] They _allowed_ big companies and organization to use "blobs" where anyone with the path to the file could get highly sensitive data. [06:03] Ariadne DaemonFC[m]: i do, but i am selective on who i provide services to [06:03] DaemonFC[m] So it is kind of their fault. [06:03] DaemonFC[m] The file data wasn't even encrypted. [06:03] Ariadne hosting is honestly a pain in the ass [06:03] schestowitz I saw spin about that incident [06:04] Ariadne i just work with people who have specific requirements [06:04] schestowitz Ariadne: self-hosting more so :-) [06:04] DaemonFC[m] You get one person who leaks the path to the data and everyone who gets that has a copy, and there's no way to spin that. Allowing such a configuration is entirely their fault. [06:04] Ariadne cookie cutter infrastructure is not something i would ever want to be involved in again [06:04] Ariadne i worked at a webhost when i was in college [06:04] Ariadne it was not great [06:04] DaemonFC[m] Someone will come along that won't be smart enough to know what they're doing with it and they'll put something there that they shouldn't. [06:05] schestowitz shared hosting is problematic [06:05] DaemonFC[m] What is Azure? The Windows 98 of cloud? No file permissions? Come on. [06:05] Ariadne the problem is that people buy cookie cutter "cloud" solutions [06:05] schestowitz like other tenants on the same machine compromising your own account [06:05] Ariadne and just hit it with a hammer until it works [06:05] Ariadne that's the problem with azure, aws, etc [06:05] Ariadne they give you all the rope you need to hang yourself [06:05] DaemonFC[m] Yes, Intel is in deep shit with the cloud hosting companies that need lots of CPUs where performance per watt and security matter a lot. [06:06] schestowitz my main personal site is still shared hosting BTW [06:06] Ariadne i took over a shared hosting op recently as a favor [06:06] Ariadne it is making negative money [06:06] Ariadne almost all sites on it are crap like get rich quick schemes [06:06] Ariadne and it is on cpanel + centos 6 [06:07] schestowitz those will rot away [06:07] DaemonFC[m] Those CPU bugs lend themselves into intrusions into someone else's VM even if Microsoft's "management services" for RHEL and insecure blobs that you can just put anywhere don't get there first. [06:07] schestowitz for a determined cracker, yes [06:07] Ariadne i need to move it to my infrastructure so it will stop making negative money [06:07] schestowitz they will find a way if there's a will and time/ [06:07] Ariadne maybe upgrade it to centos 7 [06:07] Ariadne or cloudlinux i guess [06:07] DaemonFC[m] RMS was saying in the 1970s that he didn't like passwords. [06:08] schestowitz those were different [06:08] Ariadne cloudlinux is probably worth the $20/month just to not have to deal with it [06:08] schestowitz pre-www [06:08] schestowitz it was more about time sharing [06:08] DaemonFC[m] I noticed that those are entirely inadequate now because some botnet just sits there now and hammers your account. [06:08] DaemonFC[m] Microsoft shows all of the intrusion attempts into my outlook account. [06:09] Ariadne well RMS disliking password quote was different time [06:09] DaemonFC[m] And it's several every minute from random parts of the world. [06:09] Ariadne i am sure he would agree that passwords make sense now [06:09] DaemonFC[m] Just banging away trying to get into my account. [06:09] Ariadne or some sort of authentication [06:09] Ariadne ok [06:09] Ariadne taking mysql-shared down [06:10] DaemonFC[m] schestowitz: It's kind of telling that there are that many compromised (Windows) PCs in the world. [06:10] DaemonFC[m] Where the guy isn't paying anything to hijack them, so what the hell. [06:10] Ariadne passwords as an auth mechanism are quite flawed though [06:10] DaemonFC[m] But I'd reckon they should take them all over and mine bitcoin. [06:11] schestowitz esp. in practice [06:11] Ariadne i wonder if directadmin is still a thing [06:11] schestowitz I saw people uploading all their passwords [06:11] Ariadne i have some directadmin licenses [06:11] DaemonFC[m] I have some in my email inbox, but then again it's in an encrypted archive as an email attachment, behind a random strong password and 2FA. [06:12] DaemonFC[m] And Google isn't just relying on text messages now, unless you have an iPhone. [06:12] DaemonFC[m] It's an alert box that shows up on Android. [06:12] Ariadne (the real value of cpanel and stuff like that is that it makes almost everything involved in running a hosting op somebody else's problem) [06:12] schestowitz "Using strong passwords is a good way to help protect your accounts. On the Librem 5, we recommend you use Password Safe to keep track of and generate better passwords." https://puri.sm/posts/app-showcase-password-safe/ [06:12] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-puri.sm | App Showcase: Password Safe Purism [06:14] Ariadne patiently waiting on rsync to finish [06:14] DaemonFC[m] Microsoft is more or less trying to reinvent Windows in several different directions again, but I don't think this is going to go any better than the last few times. [06:15] DaemonFC[m] They're having puff pieces about clean separation between the OS and the Win32 API, but they've been saying that since forever ago. [06:15] Ariadne idk man [06:15] DaemonFC[m] They were pretty much saying that's where they wanted to be when I was getting Windows XP betas. [06:15] Ariadne i'm just doing my own shit re: desktop now [06:15] Ariadne since nobody else is focusing on the right things [06:16] DaemonFC[m] Where they say they want to be with this is that every single app effectively gets a clean sandboxed version of Win32 all to itself. [06:16] Ariadne cool [06:16] DaemonFC[m] And even if it turns out to make a complete mess or be malware ,doesn't matter. [06:16] Ariadne ok [06:16] Ariadne mysql-shared resynced [06:17] DaemonFC[m] No, it's actually pretty stunning how similar KDE and Windows 10 are. [06:17] schestowitz Ariadne: when will db be put back up? [06:17] schestowitz I was just about to cite a rust-related post [06:17] schestowitz seems like rust is becoming gafam now [06:17] DaemonFC[m] The theme and overall style. But I suppose KDE will never stick ad tiles and pop ups everywhere and make you figure out how to turn it off. [06:17] schestowitz after mozilla going belly-up [06:18] DaemonFC[m] Never thought Firefox would, but then they did. [06:18] Ariadne schestowitz: its coming up now [06:18] DaemonFC[m] Yes, even Edge is eating Firefox alive. [06:18] Ariadne schestowitz: consider it readonly now please :) [06:18] schestowitz Ariadne: from the same DC or remote? [06:18] Ariadne same DC [06:18] schestowitz ok [06:18] schestowitz cool [06:18] DaemonFC[m] On web compatibility. I went to check the status of my FOID and I couldn't even get the CAPTCHA to load in Firefox. [06:18] schestowitz ok [06:18] DaemonFC[m] And that's not even the biggest problem I've had out of it lately. [06:19] Ariadne trying to think about how to attack the next step [06:19] DaemonFC[m] It won't load Roy's videos. [06:19] Ariadne schestowitz: you want to do tuxmachines first, right? [06:19] DaemonFC[m] There's more and more sites where something just gets messed up bad, and sometimes in the middle of a payment going through or something. [06:19] *Sajesajama_ (Salsa@gateway/vpn/protonvpn/sajesajama) has joined #techrights [06:20] schestowitz Ariadne: it will be easier [06:20] Ariadne ok lets do it [06:21] Ariadne can you PM me the login info for that VM [06:21] schestowitz btw, the DB (even if readonly for now) is not accessible from the site/front end [06:21] schestowitz sure [06:21] Ariadne should be now [06:22] Ariadne apparently i forgot to add mariadb to the old container's services [06:22] Ariadne new container i fixed it [06:22] Ariadne already [06:22] DaemonFC[m] https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2020/12/30/biden-inauguration-parade-viewing-stands-near-white-house-dismantled/4085710001/ [06:22] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.usatoday.com | Biden inauguration: Parade viewing stands near White House dismantled [06:22] DaemonFC[m] COVID, the far-right cranks with machine guns. [06:22] DaemonFC[m] Better to just not and say we did, right? [06:22] Ariadne apparently the nashville bomber was making this bomb since 2019 [06:23] Ariadne and his girlfriend called it into the FBI [06:23] Ariadne and they disregarded it [06:23] Ariadne amazing work at FBI [06:23] Ariadne or dare i say, lack of work :) [06:24] schestowitz out the window goes the "5g causes covid" as motive theory? [06:24] DaemonFC[m] Nashville Police, but yeah. [06:25] DaemonFC[m] "He's in there making bombs!" and they basically do nothing. [06:25] DaemonFC[m] People can't figure out why we say what the hell good are they. Might as well cut their budget. [06:30] schestowitz brb coffee, 6am here [06:31] Ariadne doing an initial rsync of tuxmachines [06:37] Ariadne tuxmachines is on centos6 right now [06:37] Ariadne thats at least easy to containerize [06:37] Ariadne :) [06:38] schestowitz ah, I would not know about that... [06:38] schestowitz side story [06:38] schestowitz the side was hosted originally in Tennessee [06:38] schestowitz set up with lots of help from texstar [06:39] schestowitz he was the partner of Susan at the time [06:39] schestowitz it ran Gentoo with No-IP and stuff [06:39] schestowitz had some incidents associated with DNS over the years [06:39] schestowitz when we took the site for a thousand bucks (symbolic sum, she trusted me to keep the site going) it ran on Debian [06:40] schestowitz tessier put that on centOS, the standard in his DC [06:42] Ariadne alpine is the standard thing i use [06:42] Ariadne and well [06:42] Ariadne it generally is quite reliable [06:44] schestowitz yes, I heard good things [06:44] schestowitz tuxmachines links to all alpine release since ages ago; it seems like "linux" done right (simply) [06:44] schestowitz "ultimate edition" and other kitchen sinks are "linux" done wrong [06:45] schestowitz lots of heavy blobs and stuff, thrown together in massive ISOs [06:45] Ariadne doing second tuxmachines rsync pass [06:46] Ariadne doing third pass [06:47] Ariadne stopping mysql [06:48] Ariadne mysql coming back up [06:50] schestowitz just checking no other person posts new stuff to tuxmachines [06:51] *viera has quit (Remote host closed the connection) [06:52] *viera (~viera@2602:fd37:1::84) has joined #techrights [06:53] Ariadne techrights-ctr-sfo1:/var/lib/lxc/tuxmachines-old# chroot rootfs/ /bin/bash [06:53] Ariadne Segmentation fault [06:53] Ariadne wtf [06:54] schestowitz is that fatal all around? [06:55] *viera has quit (Remote host closed the connection) [06:55] Ariadne vsyscall=emulate i guess [06:57] Ariadne cool [06:57] Ariadne vsyscall=emulate got it done [06:58] schestowitz ah, ok, excellent! ● Dec 31 [07:15] Ariadne hmmph [07:16] schestowitz obstacle? [07:16] Ariadne CentOS uses upstart [07:16] Ariadne upstart is being obnoxious [07:16] Ariadne (CentOS 6) [07:16] *CrystalMath has quit (Quit: Call-out culture is toxic, disgusting, and vile!) [07:16] schestowitz ah, well... :-) systemd would not make you happier, I suppose [07:21] Ariadne got it i think [07:22] schestowitz does it have identical copy of the site? [07:22] schestowitz db container+filesystem? [07:22] schestowitz I can do some manual checks with find and diff and du -sh [07:23] schestowitz I am SUPER paranoid about losing data during migrations and used to make checklists of things to verify are still there and accessible (permissions) [07:23] Ariadne cool [07:23] Ariadne its on .115 [07:24] schestowitz I see it now [07:25] Ariadne systemd is actually more pleasant [07:25] schestowitz maybe resolve.conf I can edit to test a bit [07:25] Ariadne it can detect when containerized [07:25] Ariadne and it turns off a lot of things automatically [07:26] Ariadne techrights will be .116 [07:26] schestowitz I'm on SSH also [07:26] schestowitz will test and check things [07:26] schestowitz whoa, 32 CPU cores [07:27] schestowitz that's as much as London Town Hall uses [07:27] schestowitz (we support them) [07:27] Ariadne that blade actually has [07:27] Ariadne 88 cores [07:27] schestowitz most of my PCs have 1 or 2 :-) [07:27] Ariadne using intel CPUs that fell off a truck [07:28] Ariadne they are "high security" variant that is not retail [07:28] Ariadne no ME :) [07:28] schestowitz high security= no ME? :-D [07:28] Ariadne yes [07:28] schestowitz hahahaaha [07:28] schestowitz beat you to it [07:28] schestowitz well, on my machine [07:28] schestowitz another machine says you beat me to it [07:29] schestowitz milisec apart [07:29] schestowitz might now want ME [07:29] schestowitz given what we'll publish soon [07:29] schestowitz *not [07:29] Ariadne i don't want x86 at all [07:29] schestowitz Intel engs are not happy [07:29] Ariadne not from intel, not from AMD [07:30] Ariadne and, i can get x86 CPUs most people cannot [07:30] schestowitz (software engs) [07:30] Ariadne because i know the right vendors [07:30] Ariadne (these are 'military' intel cpus) [07:33] Ariadne and since these are 'fell off a truck' variant of CPUs, there is no microcode or actual support from intel [07:33] Ariadne on the other hand, there's no malware [07:33] Ariadne in the CPUs themselves [07:33] schestowitz It's good we have you with us [07:33] schestowitz as you seem security-conscious [07:33] Ariadne (to the extent that x86 itself cannot be considered malware anyway) [07:34] schestowitz many people I am made to work with are using really bad tools. You would not believe... [07:34] schestowitz and I'm like, "THIS is why "RUSSIA" keeps "HACKING" things..." [07:34] schestowitz no need for back doors or social engineering [07:34] schestowitz when people email plain text passwords to one another and even worse things [07:34] Ariadne well, its easier to make the story about the attacker than the incompetence that enabled it [07:35] schestowitz yeah [07:35] schestowitz or hold accountable the "HACKERS" [07:35] Ariadne even solarwinds was caused by incompetence (default solarwinds123 password, come the fuck on) [07:35] schestowitz IF you can get your hands on them [07:35] schestowitz iirc, solarwings also had passwords on public shithub [07:35] schestowitz *solarwinds [07:35] Ariadne amazing [07:35] schestowitz some people put private keys on there [07:35] schestowitz I'm sure a commit will hide that LOL [07:35] schestowitz removed, committed [07:36] schestowitz "pls don't check history" :-) [07:37] Ariadne github has, thankfully, blacklisted private keys from the code search using some heuristic [07:37] schestowitz tuxmachines-old html]$ du -sh [07:37] Ariadne i'm not a huge fan of github admittedly [07:38] schestowitz 3.2G . [07:38] schestowitz same across DCs [07:38] schestowitz Ariadne: some folks quit github [07:38] schestowitz it's losing money [07:38] schestowitz if it also uses the userbase and key projects, it's a write-off like Nokia [07:38] Ariadne i think github's business decision to do business with ICE is unfortunate [07:39] Techrights-sec That and their people have made it impossible to get anything else. [07:39] Techrights-sec You mention military hardware. Find out what happened to Tadpole [07:39] Techrights-sec after GD bought it... [07:39] Techrights-sec GD are microsofters. [07:39] Techrights-sec x86 is around at all only because of Wintel [07:39] Ariadne correct [07:40] Ariadne military is largely still using windows 7, because it was last version to be audited [07:40] schestowitz we'll publish Wintel leaks soon [07:40] schestowitz might change your mind about Intel [07:40] Ariadne what is there to change my mind on? [07:40] Ariadne i hate intel [07:41] Ariadne the blade system i got is intel because that's what was available at the surplus auction i got it from [07:41] Ariadne then i upgraded it with 'fell off the back of a truck' CPUs to get more cores and lose the built-in malware [07:42] Ariadne i think the way to get {secure, libre} computing is to use things *other* than x86 [07:45] schestowitz quick question [07:45] schestowitz were any files added to /var/www/ on the new DC? [07:45] Ariadne for example, it is bullshit that you cannot buy CPUs from Intel which are clean of ME malware [07:45] Ariadne no [07:45] schestowitz maybe the ls/find format is different, will check [07:45] Ariadne ony thing i did was modify /etc/fstab [07:46] Techrights-sec The way to get {secure, libre} computing is to use anything other than x86 [07:46] Techrights-sec It has been that way for a while. But now Apple, and probably M$, are [07:46] Techrights-sec using ARM for DRM'd systems. [07:46] Techrights-sec \ [07:46] Ariadne yeah because ARM CPUs are actually secure :P [07:46] Ariadne fuck DRM tho [07:47] Ariadne DRM has been a lose-lose for everyone [07:47] Ariadne loss for the artists because they make pennies verses just selling a CD [07:47] Ariadne loss for the user because DRM software is buggy [07:47] Ariadne (not to mention the libre issues surrounding DRM) [07:52] schestowitz turns out tuxmachines made no local db backups (only remote) since late Oct [07:53] Techrights-sec Intel ended up getting a free pass on the speculative execution scandal. [07:53] Techrights-sec It should have been raked over the coals for cheating like [07:53] Techrights-sec VW and Audi were for the emissions cheating, if nothing else. [07:53] Techrights-sec However, the Intel cheating opened up several *classes* of hardware bugs. [07:53] Techrights-sec Also, I wondered why Larry Ellison killed off sparc. He could have made [07:53] Techrights-sec money from it to the exclusion of his competitor M$. [07:53] Ariadne SPARC has ... a lot of problems architecturally [07:53] Ariadne register windows are yuck [07:56] Ariadne schestowitz: let me know when you're ready to shift traffic [07:56] schestowitz testing local backup of TM on new DC [07:57] schestowitz Ariadne: is the nameserver on your turf? I forgot... [07:57] Ariadne nameserver for? [07:57] schestowitz [07:56] schestowitz: let me know when you're ready to shift traffic [07:57] Ariadne its not [07:57] schestowitz OK, so maybe you meant redirection IP address? [07:57] schestowitz redirecting [07:58] Ariadne yes [07:58] schestowitz aha [07:58] Ariadne changing the DNS [07:58] schestowitz let me check a bit more [07:58] schestowitz can you change dns at your end or do I need to contact registrar/host? [07:58] schestowitz as long as we add nothing new I suppose we can switch back and forth without risk [07:58] Ariadne i dont have any DNS control over these domains [07:59] schestowitz each DC for TM has its own DB, except for gallery [07:59] Ariadne can you message me the info for techrights [07:59] Ariadne so i can start syncing that ● Dec 31 [08:02] schestowitz sure [08:02] schestowitz it's the same [08:02] schestowitz exact same [08:02] schestowitz maybe I should have not said that publicly [08:02] schestowitz but only in case one gets pwned [08:02] schestowitz we ought to change those sometimes, but then need to coordinate changes across team [08:03] schestowitz if you sync filesystem of TR, it should be safe in the changes sense [08:03] Ariadne that is my thought [08:03] schestowitz the DB won't change [08:03] Ariadne i want to sync the FS over initially [08:03] Ariadne then we can pick up later in the afternoon [08:04] schestowitz I'm not sure if you rsynced before or after adding today's IRC transparency posting, but we can manually merge that in later, it's just IRC logs [08:04] schestowitz the logs themselves were uploaded 4 hours ago, to the file system [08:04] schestowitz no posts in TR today [08:04] schestowitz it's holiday anyway [08:04] schestowitz leaks are not time-sensitive [08:05] schestowitz and sources wanted them delayed a bit [08:05] schestowitz hence "January" [08:06] schestowitz the local DB backup has been successful [08:06] schestowitz faster than on the older server, as one might expect [08:06] schestowitz I support it's down to I/O speed rather than CPU [08:06] schestowitz unless we gzip it, which we do [08:06] schestowitz so after migration the download in the backup windows ought to be shorted, used to be minutes long [08:08] schestowitz oh, btw [08:08] Ariadne initial sync in progress [08:08] Ariadne yeah the I/O is a lot better on this machine [08:08] schestowitz any way to easily add ssl to it or only after containerising? [08:08] schestowitz because now it can be down without downtime risks [08:08] Ariadne SAN into 48G infiniband [08:08] Ariadne we'll do ssl when we rebuild everything on alpine [08:08] schestowitz I have tested site aggregation, now testing login and admin [08:09] Ariadne i dont want to push my luck with this too hard :) [08:11] schestowitz "Migration of tuxmachines in progress. This is a test comment." [08:15] schestowitz there was a slight ddos on techrights just now [08:15] schestowitz hammering the usual heavy pages, to block access by legit visitors [08:15] schestowitz I had tmux conflicts with another user, I think ;-) [08:15] schestowitz no locking mechanisms [08:15] Ariadne when we switch to nginx that will not be a thing anymore [08:16] schestowitz cool [08:16] schestowitz OK, so far it looks like all is good [08:16] schestowitz I have a query [08:16] schestowitz when I run df [08:16] schestowitz it shows, as non-root (when running it), just one line [08:16] Ariadne yeah [08:16] Ariadne its due to container [08:16] schestowitz I am not sure how to interpret it, but I assume it inherits space from the host OS [08:16] Ariadne correct [08:17] schestowitz OK, cool [08:17] schestowitz the backup works, let me do a test post (not just comment) [08:17] Ariadne /dev/vda3 1003.5G 59.7G 943.8G 6% /var/lib/lxc [08:17] schestowitz later I can compare all the files in there and do random fuzzing about to ensure nothing is missing [08:17] Ariadne this is the one you need to keep an eye on [08:17] schestowitz whoa, a terabyte [08:17] schestowitz good for large videos [08:18] Ariadne the SAN array has 96TB capacity [08:21] Ariadne though some of that is already spoken for, if you find yourself needing more than 1TB we can always grow the volume [08:21] Ariadne :P [08:22] Ariadne there's 24 HGST 8TB 15krpm drives in RAID-10 :) [08:22] Ariadne SAS :D [08:22] schestowitz I know i should not post a link with IP [08:22] schestowitz in case it changes in the future [08:22] schestowitz but... [08:23] schestowitz http://23.161.112.115/node/146004 [08:23] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-23.161.112.115 | Migrating TuxMachines to a Bigger Server | Tux Machines [08:23] schestowitz this seems to work well [08:23] Ariadne those ips are subject to change anyway [08:23] schestowitz I encountered no issues logging in, posting comment, posting a blog post, tuxGallery works OK, backup works OK [08:23] schestowitz I guess if I request DNS change there is nothign to lose [08:24] schestowitz we can roll back while DNS downstream is in flux still [08:24] schestowitz but all looks good so far [08:24] schestowitz Ariadne: should I request DNS change? [08:24] schestowitz (like, now) [08:24] Ariadne yes [08:24] Ariadne go for it [08:25] Ariadne techrights is syncing initial [08:25] Ariadne this is going to take a while it seems [08:25] Ariadne 128k inodes on disk to check [08:25] schestowitz 2005 :-) http://23.161.112.115/node/14 [08:25] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-23.161.112.115 | Mandrake's Clustering Again | Tux Machines [08:27] Ariadne i think moving to xfs will boost performance too [08:27] Ariadne ext4 is not particularly known for performance [08:27] Ariadne and tuxmachines was ext3 (!) [08:28] schestowitz the DNS should just point to server IP, correct? [08:28] Ariadne yes [08:29] Ariadne i am building a DNS infrastructure for some of my other people [08:29] Ariadne but its not ready yet [08:29] schestowitz The nameserver remains the same [08:29] schestowitz tessier had his own nameservers [08:29] Ariadne yeah i intend to set up an anycast constellation [08:30] Ariadne but the old DC's customer list got dumped in my lap [08:30] Ariadne so i've been busy working on migrating them out or handing them off to people who are better suited [08:30] schestowitz NS5.CATALYST2.NET [08:30] schestowitz 84.18.207.222 [08:31] schestowitz NS6.CATALYST2.NET [08:31] schestowitz 185.28.164.100 [08:31] Ariadne its unfortunate that the owner got ejected through a windshield [08:31] Ariadne he was a cool dude [08:32] Ariadne oh well [08:34] schestowitz after the linsux incident they'd ask more questions [08:35] schestowitz sent message [08:35] schestowitz will contact them in real-time chat now [08:39] schestowitz " [08:39] schestowitz HiHow can we helpI have just created #JGB-920-36560this is urgent, it's just DNS changeI can verify identity and all over phone/email/pgp or uploading code to the existing active siteSure no problem. Ive got the ticket and will update the DNS asapthank youwe worked all morning testing the two are working the same, the new one has more capcityhttp://23.161.112.115/node/146004 "Migrating TuxMachines to a Bigger Server" [08:39] schestowitz Migrating TuxMachines to a Bigger Server [08:39] schestowitz K no worries. Shouldnt take longer that 10 mins to make the switch [08:39] schestowitz " [08:39] schestowitz that was faster than the last time [08:40] Ariadne ah, kayako [08:40] Ariadne i have unpleasant memories of that software [08:40] schestowitz how do you know it's kayako? [08:41] schestowitz JGB? [08:41] schestowitz "Cheers, thanks for the prompt response" [08:42] schestowitz oh, you can see what else is hosted on there https://who.is/nameserver/NS5.CATALYST2.NET [08:42] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-WHOIS Search, Domain Name, Website, and IP Tools - Who.is [08:43] Ariadne the ticket id format [08:43] schestowitz that's what I guessed [08:43] Ariadne doing second rsync run on techrights [08:43] schestowitz it doesn't even name that software anywhere [08:44] schestowitz cool, Ariadne [08:44] Ariadne and a third [08:45] Ariadne ok [08:45] Ariadne at this point its just syncing logs [08:47] Ariadne lets take 5 [08:47] Ariadne at this point even if they pulled the plug at midnight on jan 1 [08:47] Ariadne we have all data [08:47] Ariadne and can just boot up [08:50] schestowitz ah, I think I got it... so files are shown differently across new and old [08:50] schestowitz maybe because find and du and stuff sort by inode [08:50] schestowitz I was trying to understand why totals were different [08:51] schestowitz aha [08:51] schestowitz filesystems diffs? [08:51] schestowitz one is ext3 [08:51] schestowitz and the new one is not? [08:51] schestowitz so block sizes changed [08:51] Ariadne ok [08:51] Ariadne going to boot up techrights on .116 [08:52] schestowitz permissions were kept the same and dates in the FS as well [08:52] schestowitz Ariadne: cool [08:52] schestowitz brb, 10 mins [08:53] Ariadne techrights came up [08:53] Ariadne cool [08:53] Ariadne somehow systemd was more pleasant [08:55] Ariadne kick the tires on .116 [08:55] Ariadne make sure its all good [08:55] Ariadne then switch that DNS too :) [08:55] Ariadne when i wake up, i'll start DBAN on the old server ● Dec 31 [09:07] schestowitz ok, I am back [09:08] schestowitz I will need IBAN too [09:08] schestowitz so we can pay you [09:08] *schestowitz starts testing [09:15] schestowitz OK, traffic is starting to trickle in (into the new server) [09:15] schestowitz my ISP's DNS is still out of date, or maybe systemd is caching dns [09:16] psydroid They invested in Ampere and are moving their cloud operations to servers with the new Altra processors, so they are technically moving from SPARC to ARM as Fujitsu did [09:29] schestowitz Ariadne: so far all looks good on techrights as well [09:35] schestowitz this is a test to see if the DNS/address at the bot side has rolled over http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/146004 [09:35] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights- ( status 404 @ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/146004 ) [09:36] schestowitz no, not yet [09:36] schestowitz it has on my ISP [09:36] schestowitz so too early to link to new posts in tuxmachines [09:36] schestowitz Ariadne: just under a week ago href told me after hardware issue he should be able to bring back pleroma.site/fr online... by "eve" [09:36] schestowitz so that's today ● Dec 31 [10:17] *chomwitt (~chomwitt@2a02:587:dc09:1900:20ef:d07a:a842:12b6) has joined #techrights [10:23] schestowitz Ariadne: status report very good [10:23] schestowitz all files seem in tact, DB also, permission etc. [10:24] schestowitz if you're still around it will be safer (in case of rollbacks) to initiate domain (DNS) updates for the 3 domains pointing to TR [10:45] scientes with steam it is much harder to know if a game works with wine/Linux [10:45] scientes nobody is updating the winehq anymore [10:46] schestowitz so is it just out of date? [10:46] schestowitz and then people rely on proton's proprietary DB [10:46] schestowitz ? [10:46] scientes yeah, and new apps are not in there [10:47] schestowitz maybe steam (valve) will do an apple-on-cups on wine [10:47] schestowitz I think they already work with codeweavers [10:47] schestowitz maybe also colabora [10:47] schestowitz *ll [10:47] scientes collabora [10:48] scientes and NOT codeweavers [10:48] scientes like there is no tropico 6 here https://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=application&iId=266 [10:48] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-appdb.winehq.org | WineHQ - Tropico [10:49] scientes but it clearly works, according to this fork of wine https://github.com/varmd/wine-wayland [10:49] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-GitHub - varmd/wine-wayland: Wine-wayland allows playing DX9/DX11 and Vulkan games using pure wayland and Wine/DXVK. [10:50] scientes schestowitz, GOG is also releasing wine titles, so I think they are using proton to do that [10:51] scientes or maybe i am just confused ● Dec 31 [11:20] GNUmoon Linux Today promoting M$ Teams for Linux... https://twitter.com/linuxtoday/status/1344390361158983680 [11:20] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@linuxtoday: How to Install Microsoft Teams on Linux https://t.co/HI8Cytavlq #Linux [11:20] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.linuxtoday.com | Linux Today - How to Install Microsoft Teams on Linux [11:21] GNUmoon Mozilla promoting Apple's good intentions ... https://foundation.mozilla.org/en/campaigns/apples-anti-tracking-plans-iphone/ [11:21] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-foundation.mozilla.org | Mozilla Foundation - Apples anti-tracking plans for iPhone [11:22] GNUmoon What's the world coming too ;) [11:22] *tr_guest|79125 (aa504162@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.170.80.65.98) has joined #techrights [11:23] *tr_guest|79125 has quit (Client Quit) [11:27] schestowitz lol [11:27] schestowitz well, you answered your own question [11:31] GNUmoon The rush for cash at the expensive of user and societal freedom is disappointing, but not surprising. [11:36] psydroid I guess at this point it's all about a mistaken attempt self-preservation for Mozilla, but I'm wondering about all those other companies that are so dependent on advertising income and selling out the user (as far as those users aren't already doing so themselves) [11:41] schestowitz BTW [11:41] schestowitz Mozilla and Apple-wise... it's not news [11:41] schestowitz Techrights was in arguments with them over iPod promotion ages ago [11:41] schestowitz we have some Mozilla comments in the site [11:41] schestowitz they have long had many Apple fans among their staff [11:41] schestowitz as for Linux Today, same thing [11:42] schestowitz they occasionally helped Mono and Novell agenda [11:42] schestowitz this one somehow slipped in [11:42] schestowitz Phoronix has long promoted mono [11:42] schestowitz more than 10 years [11:42] schestowitz it's not like Groklaw as shilling Microsoft, though occasionally PJ was a bit of an Apple apologist [11:43] schestowitz and she used a "Mac" too (part of the time) [11:45] *tr_guest|22302 (74446104@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.116.68.97.4) has joined #techrights [11:46] psydroid I don't see the appeal of Apple devices, but it looks like people convinced themselves of a need for them many years ago [11:58] *tr_guest|5951 (2511d4f3@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.17.212.243) has joined #techrights [11:58] *tr_guest|5951 has quit (Client Quit) ● Dec 31 [12:03] schestowitz we're not changing DNS for techrights [12:03] schestowitz *now [12:03] schestowitz for all 3 domains that lead to it [12:11] *GNUmoon has quit (Remote host closed the connection) [12:15] schestowitz so far the migration is going smoothly [12:15] schestowitz and the sites are becoming faster because of the superior chips [12:20] schestowitz I don't think we need the pane for htop now that we have nmon with graphs, correct? waste of space... [12:20] schestowitz oops [12:20] schestowitz wrong channel [12:50] *tr_guest|22302 has quit (Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client) [12:53] *_inky has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) [12:54] *GNUmoon (~GNUmoon@gateway/tor-sasl/gnumoon) has joined #techrights ● Dec 31 [13:03] *mmu_man (~revol@vaf26-2-82-244-111-82.fbx.proxad.net) has joined #techrights ● Dec 31 [14:25] DaemonFC[m] It is making less and less sense for Gecko to continue as a rendering engine. [14:25] DaemonFC[m] I don't think it will for long. They already have horrendous web compatibility bugs and they fired the people who could have fixed them. [14:25] DaemonFC[m] It has fewer users than "Legacy Edge" did when Microsoft gave up. [14:31] *Sajesajama__ (Salsa@gateway/vpn/protonvpn/sajesajama) has joined #techrights [14:34] *Sajesajama_ has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) [14:36] *amreo[m] (amreomatri@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-fnzpjznpnbxaxfbk) has left #techrights ("User left") [14:42] DaemonFC[m] schestowitz: Don't you love stock images? [14:43] DaemonFC[m] The same one used for a "USCIS immigration interview" is now on Fox News as "couple meeting with mortgage lender". [14:43] DaemonFC[m] At least there wasn't any "head surgery". Maybe in Fox News for Poles. [14:48] DaemonFC[m] Fox has ratcheted up their coverage of "blacks committing crimes" lately, I've noticed. [14:48] DaemonFC[m] Covered by Ring doorbells and stuff. [14:48] *Sajesajama_ (Salsa@gateway/vpn/protonvpn/sajesajama) has joined #techrights [14:50] schestowitz racism comes when the rich are stealing [14:50] schestowitz and then need to distract the "unwashed masses" [14:50] schestowitz maybe the MSM will soon tell people to take down some more "racist" statues [14:50] schestowitz and then there will be a national uproar about something-thats-not-wealth-transfer [14:51] *Sajesajama__ has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) [14:51] DaemonFC[m] The comments section is why I go there. Things like people suggesting that the US is "ahead of the Paris accord in CO2 goals". [14:51] DaemonFC[m] (because of economic collapse maybe, for now) [14:52] DaemonFC[m] Then they say "Our great entrepreneurs have beaten the goals set by politicians.". [14:52] DaemonFC[m] Of course, they went to the bankruptcy court and now they produce fewer emissions. [14:55] DaemonFC[m] The tragicomedy is that the people making these comments don't seem to realize, or care, that the US has turned positively Orwellian. [14:55] DaemonFC[m] Even to the point of dumping most of the productivity of the real economy into unproductive wars. [14:56] schestowitz TR traffic now a ratio of about 2:1 new:old server [14:56] DaemonFC[m] Not just to feed the oligarchy, but to keep people from getting so comfortable that they can enjoy the result of their labor. [14:56] schestowitz Later on I will merge in the 'missing' (from new) IRC blog post [14:56] DaemonFC[m] The economic cost to wars in the past 20 years is now fully a third of the entire federal debt. [14:57] DaemonFC[m] If the government had handed it out as cash, each citizen would have gotten a check for over $15,000. [14:58] DaemonFC[m] Instead we got two dumpster fires in the middle east that Trump is wrapping up with surrender documents to the Taliban and the same sort of "cutting and running" we were told for almost 20 years that we simply could not do because it would embolden our enemies. [14:58] DaemonFC[m] Does anyone remember that? When Fox News said that we couldn't cut an run while the Taliban and others were still around? [14:59] DaemonFC[m] They control 2/3rds of the land area of Afghanistan and they're in the government that we set up, and if anyone doesn't think that they'll use our absence to start gaining power and influence in the government, or just overthrow the government if they can't take it over, they're on bad drugs/ [14:59] DaemonFC[m] But people like my dad won't hear any of it. ● Dec 31 [15:00] DaemonFC[m] Pretty soon the situation in Afghanistan will be as bad as it was before we did anything. It's not much better now. [15:01] DaemonFC[m] The Soviets couldn't get these groups under control. We couldn't either, but we continue meddling. [15:02] DaemonFC[m] And that's what the bill the Senate will be overriding tomorrow continues squandering our national wealth to do. [15:02] DaemonFC[m] It'll be somewhere else, it always is, but you never win. [15:02] DaemonFC[m] Even with all of this fancy crap laying around, you don't win, even against savages. [15:04] DaemonFC[m] schestowitz: In one of the later episodes of The Man in the High Castle, one of the Nazis reporting to Smith on the status of the alt-world says "America somehow became a superpower and is about to fight a war in Asia. The Americans have vastly superior technology and will win quickly.". [15:04] Ariadne [08:56] TR traffic now a ratio of about 2:1 new:old server [15:04] DaemonFC[m] It was so bad you had to groan at the mere idea because that hasn't worked several times now. [15:04] Ariadne great! let me know once the load is shed so i can start wiping old machine [15:05] Ariadne because i have no idea what will happen with the equipment. i believe the estate plans to liquidate it all [15:05] schestowitz this is sad [15:08] Ariadne i think the main advantages for speed is the use of xfs and more ram for cache [15:08] Ariadne mpm_preform is still problematic [15:08] Ariadne prefork [15:08] Ariadne even [15:23] *swaggboi has quit (Quit: C-x C-c) [15:30] schestowitz new server had already done 40gb of traffic for techrights it says [15:31] schestowitz in a matter of hours the old techrights server probably would get just scraps [15:31] schestowitz when we moved from tessier's DC to the other one I think that even after 3 days we saw some traffic on the old, but mostly bots [15:39] *swaggboi (~swaggboi@slackware.uk/supporter/swaggboi) has joined #techrights [15:44] *vZS1 (~vZS1@host-92-20-231-81.as13285.net) has joined #techrights [15:48] *vZS1 has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) [15:49] schestowitz we've just transitioned bulletin+ipfs to cron job (fully automated) [15:49] schestowitz Having tested things manually or audited output (human operator) for 1.5 months now, weve just transitioned to full automation for techrights bulletin and ipfs updates will check logs hours later just to ensure no obvious errors encountered (cron jobs) [15:51] schestowitz vZS1 was right.. Expansion to Tier 4 here as well [15:51] schestowitz and Birmingham [15:51] schestowitz soon nationwide? [15:53] schestowitz he said boxing day [15:53] schestowitz just 5 days apart [15:54] schestowitz only 3 places left in tier 3 [15:54] schestowitz inc. bristol surprisingly enough [15:58] schestowitz WTH? Almost all of England now instructed to stay home (Tier 4). Even places where the number of COVID positives isnt high at all. [15:58] schestowitz it is lower than average here ● Dec 31 [16:02] schestowitz I don't suppose we're back to the gym Jan 9th as scheduled/planned (for reopening) [16:06] scientes schestowitz, that wget | bash problem is why I don't run archlinux [16:06] scientes despite it having quite a bit of traction these days [16:06] scientes they use to not even sign their packages [16:14] *Sajesajama__ (Salsa@gateway/vpn/protonvpn/sajesajama) has joined #techrights [16:17] *Sajesajama_ has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) [16:19] *CrystalMath (~coderain@reactos/developer/theflash) has joined #techrights [16:53] schestowitz scientes: signing is one thing [16:53] schestowitz auditing is another [16:53] scientes yes, they do not audit [16:53] schestowitz or a combination of other things [16:53] scientes that is why I don't use arch [16:53] scientes there is no bias against non-free stuff [16:53] scientes so it infects the archive [16:54] schestowitz quality of something cannot be based on a digital signature alone for authenticy [16:54] schestowitz it can be authentic and rogue at the same time [16:54] schestowitz like Windows is [16:54] scientes non-free stuff has taken down many distributions [16:54] scientes (include Ubuntu in some ways) [16:54] schestowitz sabayon renamed [16:54] schestowitz recently [16:54] scientes and is a big reason that Debian has lasted as long as it has [16:54] schestowitz tons of blobs there, iirc [16:54] schestowitz ubuntu=snap=skype, spotify... [16:55] schestowitz this is not what I switched to gnu for 20+ years ago [16:55] schestowitz I don't want "Cheap mac" [16:55] scientes hahaha [16:55] scientes the canonical people are mac fanboys [16:55] scientes they did some cool stuff in the early days [16:56] scientes like actually do user testing on interfaces ● Dec 31 [17:09] schestowitz HIG they call it? [17:09] schestowitz all that template for ux thing? [17:09] schestowitz "ux"... there's a piece of hype for you [17:09] schestowitz they used to call it ui [17:09] schestowitz then x factor added [17:09] schestowitz ue does not sound as exciting and edge [17:10] schestowitz user eXperience [17:10] schestowitz I don't always get it [17:10] schestowitz sometimes I do, sometimes I don't [17:10] schestowitz they made it seem or feel like a science [17:10] schestowitz the "data science" BS (neo-BS) similarly [17:10] schestowitz what next, "The Art of Community"? (Jono Bacon) [17:10] schestowitz Management as an "art"?! [17:11] schestowitz which brush, boss? [17:11] schestowitz oh, yeah, THAT brush [17:11] schestowitz brush me up, sir, ooooh I like it [17:11] schestowitz you're such an artist bosss [17:22] scientes if Turkey invaded Georgia today, I don't think anyone would notice [17:25] MinceR :> [17:27] scientes there are so many loud explosions outside [17:29] MinceR yeah, lots of barbarians with (illegal) explosives on a day when it is traditional to bother other people with explosives => lots of loud explosions [17:29] MinceR i hate living in a city [17:52] schestowitz Very important new post: http://techrights.org/2020/12/31/oliva-new-year/ [17:52] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Alexandre Oliva: Happier GNU Year! | Techrights [17:55] scientes wow after getting use to 4K, switching back to 1080p fonts looks like shit [17:55] Ariadne looks like almost all traffic has been shed [17:56] Ariadne scientes: 4K vs 1080p is the difference between me getting a migraine in a couple of hours of use or not at all [17:57] schestowitz Ariadne: for techrights, not so much for tuxmachines [17:57] schestowitz 1.7 reqs/sec [17:57] schestowitz for the older one [17:57] schestowitz in the meantime I barely link to the sites, to avoid people going the wrong way [17:58] scientes Ariadne, and they still sell 768p monitors on laptops [17:59] Ariadne techrights is shed yes [17:59] Ariadne tuxmachines i think needs a little bit more time but almost there ● Dec 31 [18:00] Ariadne scientes: low-res LCD monitors are hell for nearsighted people [18:01] scientes ??? [18:01] scientes you just mean people that can actually see? [18:01] MinceR apparently explosions weren't enough, because the kiddie-fuckers started ringing bells [18:02] Ariadne maybe i mean farsighted [18:02] Ariadne i forget [18:02] Ariadne either way, looking at low res lcd panels is tiring [18:02] Ariadne for me :P [18:04] scientes can you see the screen without glasses? [18:05] Ariadne yes, but i get eyestrain with low res panels :) [18:05] scientes ok near-sighted [18:05] Ariadne probably need glasses soon [18:06] scientes you should go, it is included in obamacare, and buy glasses at zenni.com [18:06] scientes its pretty straight-forward [18:06] scientes glasses makes outside much less strain, just because of the UV block [18:07] Ariadne i don't have obamacare, i use the indian health service (ihs.gov) [18:07] scientes oh in india is should all be easy [18:07] Ariadne indian health service is a US program for indigenous people [18:07] scientes just in the rich-ass countries you have to avoid the italian mob [18:07] Ariadne has nothing to do with india [18:08] scientes that controls so much of the glasses business [18:08] scientes oh first nations [18:08] scientes much better term [18:08] scientes i guess you wait .gob [18:08] scientes but still [18:08] scientes *said [18:09] scientes anyways, you have to avoid the italian mob [18:09] XRevan86 scientes: Unless used internationally, then it breaks. [18:09] scientes so you have to make sure they give you your proscription, and don't buy glasses from the person who does the exam [18:09] XRevan86 Both break. [18:09] scientes XRevan86, really? probably just russia [18:10] scientes https://www.whitehouse.gov/ [18:10] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.whitehouse.gov | The White House [18:10] scientes works fine [18:10] scientes ^^and techrights bot is not in US either [18:10] Ariadne yes it is [18:10] XRevan86 scientes: I mean that "first nations" is a very territory specific term. [18:11] Ariadne it also needs to be moved to the new VM :P [18:11] scientes XRevan86, american first nations [18:11] scientes anyways, its what canada uses, and it is better than indian for obvious territory-specific-term-reasons [18:11] Ariadne i agree [18:12] Ariadne but i also like to refer to things as what they are actually caused [18:12] scientes yes [18:12] Ariadne anyway, if you're indigenous, you get socialised medicine in the US [18:12] XRevan86 Yea, "Indian" is about a different people on the other side of the globe. [18:12] Ariadne if you're not, have fun with obamacare [18:12] Ariadne ;) [18:12] scientes Ariadne, I left the US almost 2 years ago [18:12] Ariadne obamacare bronze plan $399 per month [18:12] Ariadne fuck THAT [18:13] Ariadne schestowitz: traffic is very low now, i'll give it another 2 hours and start DBAN on the old machine. sound good [18:13] scientes healthcare is totally broken in the US, except as you say Indian and Veterens [18:13] Ariadne ? [18:14] Ariadne VA has a lot of problems too [18:14] Ariadne so does IHS [18:14] Ariadne they're all broken in different ways [18:14] scientes of course, when it is all split up like that politics to improve it is impossible [18:14] Ariadne obamacare is really broken though [18:14] scientes it is unhinged from the culture [18:15] schestowitz [18:13] schestowitz: traffic is very low now, i'll give it another 2 hours and start DBAN on the old machine. sound good [18:15] Ariadne for an obamacare plan you'd actually want to use [18:15] schestowitz maybe another day or two? [18:15] Ariadne it is like $500 a month [18:15] schestowitz I want to check the script changes and stuff [18:15] Ariadne schestowitz: i have no idea what happens come midnight [18:15] schestowitz there's more to it than just apache [18:15] schestowitz oh, I see [18:16] scientes Ariadne, https://cluborlov.blogspot.com/2009/08/hunger-insurance.html [18:16] schestowitz you worry it might go offline with data on it [18:16] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-cluborlov.blogspot.com | ClubOrlov: Hunger Insurance [18:16] Ariadne correct [18:16] schestowitz so I'll do lots of testing [18:16] schestowitz lots and lots [18:16] Ariadne scientes: basically yeah [18:17] Ariadne they should make health insurance illegal [18:17] scientes Ariadne, anyways when I was in the US I didn't work because people just steal it all [18:17] Ariadne it is basically responsible for creating the problem we are in [18:18] Ariadne hospitals charge what they charge because health insurance negotiates it down [18:18] scientes so I was refering to the baseline obamacare, which was the entire purpose of the thing---to prevent those without anything from getting together and going around the US government pyramid scheme [18:19] scientes I only saw the purpose of working once I left the US [18:19] scientes seriously [18:19] scientes too many robbers in the US [18:19] scientes they call themselves the government [18:21] CrystalMath scientes: where did you move to? [18:23] MinceR which government does not consist of robbers? [18:23] scientes MinceR, ahh, you make a great point [18:24] scientes CrystalMath, initially I was in South America, but arbitrage of working on the internet has its limits of course [18:25] DaemonFC[m] The hell of being consigned to paperwork continues. [18:25] DaemonFC[m] I spoke with some lawyers who at least gave me some free legal advice about our case. [18:26] DaemonFC[m] They told me how to "hack" the paperwork to boost our calculable income by $4,396 for the year. [18:28] *schestowitz switches bots over to new server [18:33] *TechrightsBot-tr has quit (Remote host closed the connection) [18:34] *TechrightsBot-tr (~TR@23.161.112.116) has joined #techrights [18:34] TechrightsBot-tr Hello World! I'm TechrightsBot-tr running phIRCe v0.77 [18:35] schestowitz yay, no headaches on this one [18:35] schestowitz 3 more to go [18:38] schestowitz Ariadne: tuxmachines traffic dying down too now, I'm speeding up what I can [18:39] schestowitz I hope we have some spare backups of things just in case, aside from DB backups. [18:39] schestowitz like... just in cases one RAID goes bonkers [18:48] cybrNaut MS had a patent on a butt hinge with butt straps, briefly => https://www.networkworld.com/article/2236479/why-would-microsoft-patent-a--butt-hinge-with-butt-straps--.html [18:48] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.networkworld.com | Why would Microsoft patent a 'butt hinge with butt straps'? | Network World [18:51] schestowitz Back when IDG still publicised news [18:51] schestowitz now it's a spam engine [18:51] schestowitz companies pay it [18:51] schestowitz and then this chinese-owned IDG posts spam for them [18:51] schestowitz it is really embarrassing [18:51] schestowitz even sponsors realise it's not worth it anymore [18:52] schestowitz so they go to zdnet [18:52] schestowitz while it lasts [18:52] schestowitz people won't stand zdnet for much longer [18:52] schestowitz then they'll use their sister site techrepublic until its reputation too is dead ● Dec 31 [19:01] *liberty_box has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) [19:01] *rianne_ has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) [19:19] *vZS1 (~vZS1@host-92-20-231-81.as13285.net) has joined #techrights [19:19] schestowitz vZS1: hi [19:19] vZS1 Hello [19:21] schestowitz [15:49] we've just transitioned bulletin+ipfs to cron job (fully automated) [19:21] schestowitz [15:49] Having tested things manually or audited output (human operator) for 1.5 months now, weve just transitioned to full automation for techrights bulletin and ipfs updates will check logs hours later just to ensure no obvious errors encountered (cron jobs) [19:21] schestowitz [15:51] vZS1 was right.. Expansion to Tier 4 here as well [19:26] vZS1 Wish I wasn't. But here we are [19:27] CrystalMath gotta protect amazon's record profits [19:33] Ariadne cool [19:38] *vZS1 has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) [19:46] *rianne_ (~rianne@host81-154-173-106.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techrights [19:47] *liberty_box (~liberty@host81-154-173-106.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techrights [19:48] *Sajesajama__ has quit (Remote host closed the connection) [19:49] *Sajesajama__ (Salsa@gateway/vpn/protonvpn/sajesajama) has joined #techrights [19:50] DaemonFC[m] USCIS is changing more of their policies. [19:51] *vZS1 (~vZS1@host-92-20-231-81.as13285.net) has joined #techrights [19:51] DaemonFC[m] Old policy: You could sponsor an immigrant if you are currently on a means-tested public benefit, as long as the immigrant isn't. / New policy: If you have used a means-tested public benefit within the last 36 months, you can't sponsor an immigrant. [19:51] DaemonFC[m] That's not finalized yet. They didn't propose the rule until October 28th, so it couldn't take effect until the end of April. [19:52] DaemonFC[m] I don't think that Biden is going to continue pursuing this. Catholic Charities legal clinic posted an article that says they expect that Biden will rollback most of Trump's changes quickly and freeze the ones that haven't taken effect. [19:52] *rianne_ has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) [19:53] *liberty_box has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) [19:55] *rianne_ (~rianne@host81-154-173-106.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techrights [19:55] *liberty_box (~liberty@81.154.173.106) has joined #techrights ● Dec 31 [20:02] DaemonFC[m] The Chinese government throwing its weight behind Linux makes a lot of sense. The US government mentions Chinese companies, Lenovo by name, as potentially putting Chinese backdoors into American computers. As if there was nothing they could do about that. [20:02] DaemonFC[m] But they don't mention that the US government puts backdoors into Microsoft stuff, which is a lot nastier than a BIOS that just boots the computer to an operating system. [20:02] *vZS1 has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) [20:03] DaemonFC[m] The US Office of Foreign Asset Control could demand that importers prove their stuff isn't hardware backdoored and stop it from coming into the country. [20:04] DaemonFC[m] But China didn't take an active interest in getting rid of Windows for years. They just sort of waited until Microsoft started black screening most of the (pirate) copies they were letting slide for over a decade in order to build dependency. [20:05] DaemonFC[m] OFAC's sanctions actually do cause headaches even for foreign officials who think they're beyond its reach. [20:12] *liberty_box has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) [20:12] *rianne_ has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) [20:14] *vZS1 (~vZS1@host-92-20-231-81.as13285.net) has joined #techrights [20:15] DaemonFC[m] Oh my god... [20:16] DaemonFC[m] Well, the Catholic Charities legal advice and the Instructions for I-864 from USCIS conflict. [20:17] DaemonFC[m] Catholic legal clinic says fill out an I-864A if you need your spouse's income to count, and Instructions for I-864 from USCIS says you don't have to as long as they are not bringing kids they want to sponsor and that their income will still count for the household. [20:18] *vZS1 has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) [20:22] DaemonFC[m] I'm just going to do what USCIS instructions say to do. [20:22] DaemonFC[m] Anything else would probably complicate things and piss off whichever officer has to look over this packet. [20:27] *liberty_box (~liberty@host81-154-173-106.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techrights [20:27] *rianne_ (~rianne@host81-154-173-106.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techrights [20:49] *kupi (uid212005@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-pwwljkdtgciejnte) has joined #techrights [20:52] DaemonFC[m] Yeah, I suppose it couldn't hurt to list assets. [20:52] DaemonFC[m] A lot of discouragement from doing that for some reason. [20:54] DaemonFC[m] The Catholic legal CLINIC says it's not heavily weighted, but in my opinion if you're having some trouble showing income but you can show that you were responsible enough to amass considerable savings, then it might move the needle. ● Dec 31 [21:04] DaemonFC[m] "But in reality, assets are seldom used to satisfy the income requirement. Remember that they must be significant and able to be converted into cash within one year. This boils down to money in a bank account, stocks or bonds, and the value of any real estate. With housing values rebounding, this last alternative is the most popular. Although the agencys policy is to require certified real estate apprais [21:04] DaemonFC[m] have seen a lot of cases where the sponsor submitted one obtained from the Internet." [21:04] DaemonFC[m] Apparently, immigration is stricter than bankruptcy. For the Kia I only had to approximate its value so I listed the year and mileage and the options it had on it, and the private party value that was listed by Edmunds. [21:07] scientes XRevan86, I've realized that software people generally do not know what they are talking about [21:08] scientes and the problem is that no-one really has any grasp of what is going [21:08] *vZS1 (~vZS1@host-92-20-231-81.as13285.net) has joined #techrights [21:09] DaemonFC[m] Least of all at Microsoft. [21:10] DaemonFC[m] This UWP platform is mostly independent of Win32, but the idea that they want to market something else that only does UWP can only end in disaster. [21:10] DaemonFC[m] Many of the applications in the Windows store are Desktop Bridge programs that use Win32, so without that you can't even really call it Windows. [21:11] DaemonFC[m] Someone else at Microsoft admitted it was a mistake to do a red line between the APIs and they want to make UWP APIs available to all applications. [21:11] DaemonFC[m] So some of them did a postmortem of Windows RT and others obviously didn't. [21:12] DaemonFC[m] And the ones that didn't are in charge of new products. [21:12] *vZS1 has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) [21:42] scientes or even what the hell they are talking about [21:43] psydroid And this will lead to the company's eventual demise as you can't even write applications that use the same API on x86 and ARM other than using deprecated Win32 and UWP (both of which I don't know much about anyway) or cumbersome toolchains that aren't properly integrated into the environment [21:43] scientes psydroid, you can use this https://justine.lol/cosmopolitan/index.html [21:43] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-justine.lol | Cosmopolitan C Library [21:44] psydroid no one seems to know anything about anything anymore [21:44] scientes psydroid, and lots of windows games are doing something they never did before: make their own system calls [21:44] scientes so basically they are just treating windows as a UNIX kernel [21:44] scientes (which it is) [21:45] scientes basically the only problem with windows is that it is non-free [21:45] scientes like DX11 was actually ahead of everybody else (mostly because a Vulkan-like thing was shelved) [21:45] scientes and the mesa people liked DX11 [21:46] scientes and the security angle is kinda bunk, because Linux really isn't any more secure than windows, it is just more of a PITA to exploit [21:47] psydroid scientes, I had a brief look at it, I'll have to work with it to actually get what it does [21:49] psydroid yeah, I don't believe in Linux security being great, but it is free software so anyone can fix issues in the code, if you can make sense of the spaghetti it has become (and possibly always has been) [21:53] scientes psydroid, it is speghetti is more of a security sense than a code sense [21:53] scientes the core code is good for the architecture it has [21:54] DaemonFC[m] I heard that Wine was starting to have trouble with direct system call applications from Windows. [21:54] scientes but given that core developers claim that their eyes hurt after seeing driver code, I think those drivers should run in a virtual memory sandbox [21:54] DaemonFC[m] In the Windows NT architecture, Win32 is just an API personality. [21:55] DaemonFC[m] You can bypass it and use native system calls, but a lot of the Native API and system calls are undocumented or incorrectly documented by Microsoft, and they can change them or how they behave if they want. [21:55] DaemonFC[m] So you risk your application working now and not working the next time there's a new version of Windows. [21:55] DaemonFC[m] Or working for you, but not someone using Windows 8. [21:56] MinceR GNU/Linux doesn't force you to run tons of vulnerable shit, like Backdoors and Lendows do [21:57] scientes it is quite a bit better [21:57] MinceR and it's possible that the redmond mafia hasn't managed to run Linux into the ground yet ● Dec 31 [22:00] DaemonFC[m] Microsoft has been pretty conservative about API removal in Win32. [22:01] DaemonFC[m] And when they do, you can pretty much just put it back. Like, DirectX installers will still put DirectX 9 files on Windows 10 for old games to use [22:14] scientes psydroid, I just want to reduce the number of features, instead of add them [22:15] scientes like a think a flat view of memory as the default [22:15] scientes instead of virtual memory [22:15] scientes and then it might be possible to get rid of system mode [22:15] scientes and make everything user mode [22:16] MinceR and let any error in any application bring down the whole system [22:16] scientes and as long as you have both virtual memory and flat memory I think you can do this gradually [22:16] scientes MinceR, no with memory protection [22:16] scientes memory protection but not virtual memory [22:16] MinceR how is that a "flat view of memory"? [22:16] scientes MinceR, remember virtual memory was so you could port DOS apps [22:16] scientes this was before PIE code [22:16] MinceR i do remember V86 mode [22:16] MinceR it depends on virtual memory [22:16] scientes you don't need virtual memory for memory protection [22:17] scientes you can just have read-write-execute on flat memory [22:17] MinceR i'm not sure how that would work [22:17] scientes its basically malloc(size, read-write-execute) [22:17] MinceR your application would have some uncomfortable memory layout and a ton of pages mapped that cause faults if it tries to read, write or execute them? [22:17] scientes MinceR, apps don't care about memory layout [22:17] scientes its all PIE code [22:18] MinceR that's because they get comfortable memory layouts via virtual memory :> [22:18] scientes but they don't care these days [22:18] scientes its all PIE [22:18] scientes all you need is malloc() [22:18] MinceR also, i doubt PIE helps if your application needs more than 1 page [22:18] scientes no, everything is PIE, and pages are only 4K so every app needs more than one page [22:19] MinceR referring to your data segment relative to the current instruction in another page is bound to be a pain in the ass [22:19] MinceR if it's doable at all [22:19] scientes not really [22:19] scientes it is identical to how it is done today [22:19] scientes with ELF [22:19] scientes you just use a relocation [22:20] scientes and a call table [22:20] MinceR afaik PIE is only done within code segments [22:20] MinceR (including those of libraries) [22:20] scientes well yeah you need to be able to map the size of your code to contiguous memory [22:21] scientes but that is a win, not a loss, as it means you only need one lookup [22:21] scientes instead of size / 4KB lookups [22:28] scientes and it would be nice to also port seL4 to just be the C ABI [22:28] scientes so the dynamic linker becomes the OS hah [22:29] scientes yeah, that's the way to do it [22:32] scientes so 1. implement dual flat/virtual memory view [22:32] scientes 2. port sel4 to C ABI [22:48] *GNUmoon has quit (Remote host closed the connection) [22:49] *GNUmoon (~GNUmoon@gateway/tor-sasl/gnumoon) has joined #techrights ● Dec 31 [23:05] MinceR hny [23:28] *rianne_ has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) [23:28] *liberty_box has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)