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techrightsecserver backup doneMar 16 00:21
techrightsecafkMar 16 00:21
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techrights-newsTechrights — Welcome to the New Techrights ⇨ http://news.techrights.org/ | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/ ∎Mar 16 00:33
techrights-newsTechrights – Incinerated workers & Debian unhealthy culture ⇨ http://news.techrights.org/n/2024/03/16/Incinerated_workers_Debian_unhealthy_culture.shtml | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/n/2024/03/16/Incinerated_workers_Debian_unhealthy_culture.gmi ∎Mar 16 00:33
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schestowitz-pi2google using names of pre-existing things gemini://gemini.thebackupbox.net/~epoch/blog/google-name-stealsMar 16 01:04
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techrights-news➲ 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⨦ (NEW):  Proton Mail on GNU/Linux (Beta) ⇨ http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2024/03/16/Proton_Mail_on_GNU_Linux_Beta.shtml | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2024/03/16/Proton_Mail_on_GNU_Linux_Beta.gmi ∎Mar 16 01:28
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techrights-news➲ 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⨦ (NEW):  Switching To Linux Full-Time: My Thoughts Two Months Later ⇨ http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2024/03/16/Switching_To_Linux_Full_Time_My_Thoughts_Two_Months_Later.shtml | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2024/03/16/Switching_To_Linux_Full_Time_My_Thoughts_Two_Months_Later.gmi ∎Mar 16 01:32
techrights-news➲ 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⨦ (NEW):  Nintendo Switch: Yuzu emulator returns as Suyu for Linux and Windows gamers ⇨ http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2024/03/16/Nintendo_Switch_Yuzu_emulator_returns_as_Suyu_for_Linux_and_Win.shtml | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2024/03/16/Nintendo_Switch_Yuzu_emulator_returns_as_Suyu_for_Linux_and_Win.gmi ∎Mar 16 01:35
techrights-news➲ 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⨦ (NEW):  CopyQ Clipboard Manager 8.0.0 Add ARM64 for Debian, Ras Pi, & MacOS ⇨ http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2024/03/16/CopyQ_Clipboard_Manager_8_0_0_Add_ARM64_for_Debian_Ras_Pi_MacOS.shtml | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2024/03/16/CopyQ_Clipboard_Manager_8_0_0_Add_ARM64_for_Debian_Ras_Pi_MacOS.gmi ∎Mar 16 01:45
techrights-newsTechrights – [Teaser] Patent Bait and Switch ⇨ http://news.techrights.org/n/2024/03/16/Teaser_Patent_Bait_and_Switch.shtml | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/n/2024/03/16/Teaser_Patent_Bait_and_Switch.gmi ∎Mar 16 02:10
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schestowitz-pi2Open Rights Group lobbying for Hamas again ☞ https://www.openrightsgroup.org/press-releases/extremism-guidance-attacks-freedom-of-expression/Mar 16 02:29
techrights-news➲ 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⨦ (NEW):  Today's 𝘛𝘶𝘹 𝘔𝘢𝘤𝘩𝘪𝘯𝘦𝘴 HowTos  ⇨ http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2024/03/16/today_s_howtos.shtml | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2024/03/16/today_s_howtos.gmi ∎Mar 16 02:32
schestowitz-pi2Open Rights Group was all about digital and online rights for Brits before an influx of Muslims in Open Rights Group leadership made Open Rights Group an advocate of mass immigration into the UK. In the case of the EFF, a bunch of lunatics took over the analogous US org. The casualty? Our human rights.Mar 16 02:34
techrightsecapparentlyMar 16 02:35
techrightsecEspecially those human rights as manifesting in the digital realm.Mar 16 02:35
schestowitz-pi2not only thoseMar 16 02:36
schestowitz-pi2"open rights" is too vagueMar 16 02:36
schestowitz-pi2open borders?>Mar 16 02:36
schestowitz-pi2human rights?Mar 16 02:36
techrightsecHuman rights do not include the advancement and promotion of violent,  Mar 16 02:37
techrightsecsupremacist, political movements.   Mar 16 02:37
techrightsecBeing cynical, I would suspect that ORG has been /intentionally/ derailed.Mar 16 02:37
techrightsecI don't have to be cynical to say the same for EFF, as it is that obvious.Mar 16 02:37
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schestowitz-pi2buffy vs gilmoreMar 16 02:38
schestowitz-pi2apparently for siding with wikileaksMar 16 02:38
schestowitz-pi2same for Freedom of the Prss FoundationMar 16 02:40
schestowitz-pi2created by Assange and the EFF's founderMar 16 02:40
schestowitz-pi2it got infiltrated by Omidyar Mar 16 02:40
schestowitz-pi2and became anti Assange Mar 16 02:40
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techrightsecToo early in the morning for mking noise on mumbleMar 16 02:42
schestowitz-pi2disregard thatMar 16 02:42
schestowitz-pi2it auto-connectedMar 16 02:42
schestowitz-pi2wrong serverMar 16 02:42
techrights-news➲ 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⨦ (NEW):  Krita’s 2024 Roadmap Unveils AI Research and Major Overhauls ⇨ http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2024/03/14/Krita_s_2024_Roadmap_Unveils_AI_Research_and_Major_Overhauls.shtml | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2024/03/14/Krita_s_2024_Roadmap_Unveils_AI_Research_and_Major_Overhauls.gmi ∎Mar 16 02:44
techrightsecAutoconnect can be turned offMar 16 02:53
schestowitz-pi2yes, i jus5t thought it doing thisMar 16 02:53
schestowitz-pi2as it happened undesirably latelyMar 16 02:53
schestowitz-pi2gm btwMar 16 02:54
techrightsecgmMar 16 02:54
techrights-newsTechrights – IRC Proceedings: Friday, March 15, 2024 ⇨ http://news.techrights.org/n/2024/03/16/IRC_Proceedings_Friday_March_15_2024.shtml | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/n/2024/03/16/IRC_Proceedings_Friday_March_15_2024.gmi ∎Mar 16 03:06
techrights-newsTechrights – Over at Tux Machines... ⇨ http://news.techrights.org/n/2024/03/16/Over_at_Tux_Machines.shtml | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/n/2024/03/16/Over_at_Tux_Machines.gmi ∎Mar 16 03:08
techrights-news➲ 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⨦ (NEW):  Today in Techrights ⇨ http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2024/03/16/Today_in_Techrights.shtml | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2024/03/16/Today_in_Techrights.gmi ∎Mar 16 03:10
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schestowitz-pi2<techrights-news> For the past week, TR and TM serves nearly 2 million hits almost every day. Has online interest in "LINUX" surged this month?Mar 16 03:12
schestowitz-pi2<techrights-news> It did in India for sure https://gs.statcounter.com/os-market-share/desktop/india/#monthly-200901-202403Mar 16 03:12
schestowitz-pi2-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights- gs.statcounter.com | Desktop Operating System Market Share India | Statcounter Global StatsMar 16 03:12
schestowitz-pi2<techrights-news> Still 4.2% worldwide, almost 7% if ChromeOS (Gentoo) is counted https://gs.statcounter.com/os-market-share/desktop/#monthly-200901-202403Mar 16 03:12
schestowitz-pi2-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights- gs.statcounter.com | Desktop Operating System Market Share Worldwide | Statcounter Global StatsMar 16 03:12
techrightsecMessing with rrrrrr atm, adjusting the flow of the code Mar 16 03:14
techrightsecI think it is becoming more robustMar 16 03:14
schestowitz-pi2rrrrrr has been reliable latelyMar 16 03:15
schestowitz-pi2speed is a function of fetch time, with bottleneck being 'remote'Mar 16 03:15
techrightsecthe bottleneck with the fetching is the numbef of parallel, concurent Mar 16 03:23
techrightsecthreads.  That seems limited by the ISP, perhaps at the router and perhapsMar 16 03:23
techrightsecunintentionally.  Trying from the server atmMar 16 03:23
techrightsec(I added the dependencies there too) Mar 16 03:23
schestowitz-pi2good, on the server it would be easy to "collaborate" on thoseMar 16 03:24
schestowitz-pi2in the long tunMar 16 03:24
schestowitz-pi2(not replacing but complementing our local copies)Mar 16 03:24
techrightsecYes and it is a backup there for when something happens on this end. Mar 16 03:25
techrightsecI've been working with having the script behave more 'expectedly'  Mar 16 03:25
techrightsecin regards to output file creation.  Mar 16 03:25
schestowitz-pi2OT: rianne in town 3+ hours yesterday, found nothing to buy. very, very appalling.Mar 16 03:28
schestowitz-pi2a) i predicted this. b) decided not to join at 90th min. c) she mentioned many shops shut downMar 16 03:28
schestowitz-pi2we tend to go east, not west where town isMar 16 03:28
schestowitz-pi2the east has yoga, pool, some other stuff like smaller shopsMar 16 03:28
schestowitz-pi2so being at he edge of town centre is no longer a "selling point"Mar 16 03:28
schestowitz-pi2checking house prices yesterday, they are not highMar 16 03:28
schestowitz-pi2this implies low demandMar 16 03:28
techrightsecYes, more shops continue to close here, many are already closed.  So there Mar 16 03:29
techrightsecare quite a few empty storefronts on the main streets.Mar 16 03:29
schestowitz-pi2theory: bad global economy = more people explore gnu/linux, not apple, as windows altMar 16 03:30
schestowitz-pi2rianne and i decided the media picked the 4% "story"Mar 16 03:30
schestowitz-pi2hence, we can step aside and let themMar 16 03:30
schestowitz-pi2i will check email later, see if oin repliedMar 16 03:30
schestowitz-pi2can u remove thenation from automated pls? it does not work anyway.Mar 16 03:33
schestowitz-pi2i already have fossforce in rrrrrrrMar 16 03:33
schestowitz-pi2so that too can be culledMar 16 03:33
schestowitz-pi2to say commondreams became BIZARRE would be an understatement, it's like poetry and prose by a drug addictMar 16 03:33
schestowitz-pi2only a few posts per weekMar 16 03:33
schestowitz-pi2when irs filings watch up i want to see what happened to themMar 16 03:33
schestowitz-pi2*catch upMar 16 03:34
techrightsecok removingMar 16 03:37
techrights-newsTechrights – Security Leftovers ⇨ http://news.techrights.org/n/2024/03/16/Security_Leftovers.shtml | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/n/2024/03/16/Security_Leftovers.gmi ∎Mar 16 03:38
schestowitz-pi2yesterday u caught many good linksMar 16 03:38
schestowitz-pi2lots and lotsMar 16 03:38
schestowitz-pi2so we  are coping ok with the droughtMar 16 03:38
schestowitz-pi2i am still finding enough on gopher and gem to make standalone postMar 16 03:38
schestowitz-pi2one due in a few minsMar 16 03:38
schestowitz-pi2We have a limit of 10000 URLs per capsule.Mar 16 03:39
schestowitz-pi2* gemini.techrights.org: 10000 URLsMar 16 03:39
schestowitz-pi2* mirrors.apple2.org.za: 10000 URLsMar 16 03:39
schestowitz-pi2* gemlog.stargrave.org: 10000 URLsMar 16 03:39
techrights-news➲ 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⨦ (NEW):  𝘛𝘶𝘹 𝘔𝘢𝘤𝘩𝘪𝘯𝘦𝘴 Programming Leftovers ⇨ http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2024/03/16/Programming_Leftovers.shtml | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2024/03/16/Programming_Leftovers.gmi ∎Mar 16 03:45
techrights-news➲ 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⨦ (NEW):  Linux Kernel: Automatic regression handling/reporting and btrfs ⇨ http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2024/03/16/Linux_Kernel_Automatic_regression_handling_reporting_and_btrfs.shtml | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2024/03/16/Linux_Kernel_Automatic_regression_handling_reporting_and_btrfs.gmi ∎Mar 16 03:52
techrightsecback in some hoursMar 16 03:53
techrights-news➲ 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⨦ (NEW):  Today's 𝘛𝘶𝘹 𝘔𝘢𝘤𝘩𝘪𝘯𝘦𝘴 Leftovers ⇨ http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2024/03/16/today_s_leftovers.shtml | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2024/03/16/today_s_leftovers.gmi ∎Mar 16 03:56
techrights-newsTechrights – Gemini Links 16/03/2024: Grid-based Distances and Google Stealing Other Technical Projects' Names ⇨ http://news.techrights.org/n/2024/03/16/Gemini_Links_16_03_2024_Grid_based_Distances_and_Google_Stealin.shtml | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/n/2024/03/16/Gemini_Links_16_03_2024_Grid_based_Distances_and_Google_Stealin.gmi ∎Mar 16 03:57
techrights-newsTechrights – Links 16/03/2024: Science, Health, and Censorship ⇨ http://news.techrights.org/n/2024/03/16/Links_16_03_2024_Science_Health_and_Censorship.shtml | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/n/2024/03/16/Links_16_03_2024_Science_Health_and_Censorship.gmi ∎Mar 16 03:58
techrightsecback in some hoursMar 16 03:59
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schestowitz-pi2<techrights-news> Increase in the number of phishing messages pointing to IPFS and to R2 buckets, (Thu, Mar 14th) ☞ https://isc.sans.edu/diary/rss/30744Mar 16 04:27
schestowitz-pi2-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights- isc.sans.edu | Increase in the number of phishing messages pointing to IPFS and to R2 buckets - SANS Internet Storm CenterMar 16 04:27
schestowitz-pi2<techrights-news> IPFS has been coopted by many bad actors and rogue people. Thus, IPFS as a whole has a reputation if not a safety problem.Mar 16 04:27
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techrights-news➲ 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⨦ (NEW):  Istio 1.21.0 ⇨ http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2024/03/14/Istio_1_21_0.shtml | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2024/03/14/Istio_1_21_0.gmi ∎Mar 16 05:39
techrights-news➲ 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⨦ (NEW):  Haiku Activity & Contract Report, February 2024 ⇨ http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2024/03/16/Haiku_Activity_Contract_Report_February_2024.shtml | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2024/03/16/Haiku_Activity_Contract_Report_February_2024.gmi ∎Mar 16 05:39
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techrights-newsTechrights – Open Invention Network (OIN) Fails to Explain If Linux is Safe From Microsoft's Software Patent Royalties (Charges) ⇨ http://news.techrights.org/n/2024/03/16/Open_Invention_Network_OIN_Fails_to_Explain_If_Linux_is_Safe_Fr.shtml | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/n/2024/03/16/Open_Invention_Network_OIN_Fails_to_Explain_If_Linux_is_Safe_Fr.gmi ∎Mar 16 07:37
techrights-newsTechrights – Open Invention Network (OIN) Homepage: Microsoft is "Community of Global Leaders" ⇨ http://news.techrights.org/n/2024/03/16/Open_Invention_Network_OIN_Homepage_Microsoft_is_Community_of_G.shtml | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/n/2024/03/16/Open_Invention_Network_OIN_Homepage_Microsoft_is_Community_of_G.gmi ∎Mar 16 08:00
techrightsecthanksMar 16 08:04
techrightsec        Mar 16 08:04
techrightsecback in some hoursMar 16 08:04
techrightsecbackMar 16 08:04
techrightsec    Mar 16 08:04
techrightsecbanning islam? https://www.jurist.org/news/2024/03/uk-government-releases-new-definition-of-extremism/Mar 16 08:04
schestowitz-pi2FREE SPEECH - O.R.G.Mar 16 08:05
schestowitz-pi2like IranMar 16 08:05
schestowitz-pi2Rushdie got free speech up his neckMar 16 08:05
schestowitz-pi2china also wishes to be protected by what it is strong againstMar 16 08:05
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techrightsecAnd which oligarchs gain from getting the media to conflate nazism withMar 16 08:19
techrightsecfreedom of speech?  Mar 16 08:19
techrightsecIt is apparent that the real goal is elimination of freedom while simultaneouslyMar 16 08:19
techrightsecramping up outright fascism under the i- wrapper.Mar 16 08:19
schestowitz-pi2https://techrights.org/n/2024/02/26/Ongoing_Media_Campaign_Sponsored_by_Bill_Gates_to_Portray_Criti.shtmlMar 16 08:19
schestowitz-pi2thanks for the linksMar 16 08:31
schestowitz-pi2i did teaser, article, afterthought re oinMar 16 08:31
schestowitz-pi2maybe they will decide to get back to us eventuallyMar 16 08:31
schestowitz-pi2re censorship also see:Mar 16 08:31
schestowitz-pi2http://techrights.org/o/2020/08/14/control-but-no-accountability/Mar 16 08:31
schestowitz-pi2it is stillr relevant Mar 16 08:31
schestowitz-pi2TM and TR truly piss them off as a small group of techs on shoestring budgets can severely harm themMar 16 08:33
schestowitz-pi2their megaofficer and huge budget cannot compete wellMar 16 08:33
schestowitz-pi2same for SNMar 16 08:33
schestowitz-pi2hence, S/N attacks:Mar 16 08:33
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schestowitz-pi2<aristarchus> Roy is nothing if not paranoid and ill-informed.? I suspect he actually is APK.?? Could be.Mar 16 08:33
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schestowitz-pi2ari goes after me nowMar 16 08:33
techrights-news➲ 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⨦ (NEW):  Games: Bazzite Linux, Spring Sale 2024, Black Mesa, and More ⇨ http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2024/03/16/Games_Bazzite_Linux_Spring_Sale_2024_Black_Mesa_and_More.shtml | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2024/03/16/Games_Bazzite_Linux_Spring_Sale_2024_Black_Mesa_and_More.gmi ∎Mar 16 08:46
techrights-news➲ 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⨦ (NEW):  Today's 𝘛𝘶𝘹 𝘔𝘢𝘤𝘩𝘪𝘯𝘦𝘴 HowTos  ⇨ http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2024/03/16/today_s_howtos.1.shtml | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2024/03/16/today_s_howtos.1.gmi ∎Mar 16 09:03
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techrights-news➲ 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⨦ (NEW):  This week in KDE: Dolphin levels up ⇨ http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2024/03/16/This_week_in_KDE_Dolphin_levels_up.shtml | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2024/03/16/This_week_in_KDE_Dolphin_levels_up.gmi ∎Mar 16 09:19
techrights-news➲ 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⨦ (NEW):  Best Free and Open Source Software ⇨ http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2024/03/16/Best_Free_and_Open_Source_Software.shtml | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2024/03/16/Best_Free_and_Open_Source_Software.gmi ∎Mar 16 09:30
techrightseccheckingMar 16 09:55
techrightsecYep, because your words have had positive effect there.Mar 16 09:55
techrightsecAdding rrrrrr.py to cron to run only when there is no output file already in Mar 16 09:55
techrightsecexistence.Mar 16 09:55
techrightsecRunning it from cron however will not be desirable as I cannot have Mar 16 09:55
techrightsecthe ready file pop up in the browser automatically when ready.  Mar 16 09:55
schestowitz-pi2back from mumble nowMar 16 09:57
schestowitz-pi2you can copy the file to htdocs under pw Mar 16 09:57
schestowitz-pi2and maybe set up alarm thereMar 16 09:57
techrightsecOh, the output from RRRRRR?  That's just for personal use.  ThoughMar 16 10:01
techrightsecI could set up instances for you and RianneMar 16 10:01
techrightsecThere's not a convenient way to run it on the server and have a notificationMar 16 10:01
techrightsecwhen it is ready, unless maybe I set up MQTT again.  But that's not   Mar 16 10:01
techrightsecworth the overhead.Mar 16 10:01
schestowitz-pi2tail: /home/links/Daily_Links/ready: file truncatedMar 16 10:02
schestowitz-pi2Sat Mar 16 08:09:31 GMT 2024Mar 16 10:02
schestowitz-pi2^Cpi@raspberrypi:~ $ cat ./ready-check.sh Mar 16 10:02
schestowitz-pi2tail -f /home/links/Daily_Links/readyMar 16 10:02
techrights-news➲ 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⨦ (NEW):  KDE Plasma 6 on openSUSE Tumbleweed ⇨ http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2024/03/16/KDE_Plasma_6_on_openSUSE_Tumbleweed.shtml | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2024/03/16/KDE_Plasma_6_on_openSUSE_Tumbleweed.gmi ∎Mar 16 10:03
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techrights-news➲ 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⨦ (NEW):  Firefly Core-3562JQ Rockchip RK3562J industrial SoM works in the -40 to +85°C temperature range ⇨ http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2024/03/16/Firefly_Core_3562JQ_Rockchip_RK3562J_industrial_SoM_works_in_th.shtml | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2024/03/16/Firefly_Core_3562JQ_Rockchip_RK3562J_industrial_SoM_works_in_th.gmi ∎Mar 16 10:15
schestowitz-pi2<techrights-news> "The crew discuss things that are being displaced by digital technology, and what that means for society, democracy and governance." ☛ https://cybershow.uk/media/episodes/disappearing.mp3 |Mar 16 10:21
techrights-news➲ 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⨦ (NEW):  Zorin OS 17.1 Released with Enhanced Windows App Support, Education Edition ⇨ http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2024/03/07/Zorin_OS_17_1_Released_with_Enhanced_Windows_App_Support_Educat.shtml | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2024/03/07/Zorin_OS_17_1_Released_with_Enhanced_Windows_App_Support_Educat.gmi ∎Mar 16 10:21
techrights-news➲ 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⨦ (NEW):  SnoopGod Linux: The Cybersecurity Distro Like Kali Linux ⇨ http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2024/03/16/SnoopGod_Linux_The_Cybersecurity_Distro_Like_Kali_Linux.shtml | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2024/03/16/SnoopGod_Linux_The_Cybersecurity_Distro_Like_Kali_Linux.gmi ∎Mar 16 10:25
schestowitz-pi2ICYMI: eff now helpsm hamasnicks who pick on culture festivalMar 16 10:25
techrightsecfetching, will listen much laterMar 16 10:25
techrightsecYes, that is probably due to the grip that saudi- and kremlin- managedMar 16 10:25
techrightsecsocial control media has over EFF staffMar 16 10:25
techrightsecSimply put, they believe the lies fed to them. Mar 16 10:25
schestowitz-pi2eff has limited resources. they cherry-pick maybe 10% of the issues raised to them. cohn's priorities are telling: prostitutes, perverts, and radicalsMar 16 10:27
techrightsecAnd still manage to end up supporting heinous distractions and missing-Mar 16 10:28
techrightsecdigital rights.  Yes, that is to marginalize the very idea of having Mar 16 10:28
techrightsechuman rights carry over to the digital realm.  Digital privacy is for Mar 16 10:28
techrightsechateful groups and upright citizens should eschew both those groups and Mar 16 10:28
techrightsecthe 'rights' associated only with them.  Mar 16 10:28
techrights-news➲ 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⨦ (NEW):  Sparky 7.3 ⇨ http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2024/03/15/Sparky_7_3.shtml | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2024/03/15/Sparky_7_3.gmi ∎Mar 16 10:30
schestowitz-pi2                                        EFF Takes Money From US Nazis to Speak for Prostitutes and Frame Privacy (or Net Liability) as a Sex Issue https://techrights.org/o/2023/04/19/framing-privacy-as-sex-issue/Mar 16 10:38
techrights-news➲ 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⨦ (NEW):  Raspberry Pi OS Is Now Powered by Linux 6.6 LTS, Improves Raspberry Pi 5 Support ⇨ http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2024/03/13/Raspberry_Pi_OS_Is_Now_Powered_by_Linux_6_6_LTS_Improves_Raspbe.shtml | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2024/03/13/Raspberry_Pi_OS_Is_Now_Powered_by_Linux_6_6_LTS_Improves_Raspbe.gmi ∎Mar 16 10:43
schestowitz-pi2<techrights-news> Observation: Gulag noticed less active news sites, let chatbot spam/spew be listed, saturated results with crap. Now it's cracking down on the latter, after already contributing to the damage by amplifying ripoffs and plagiarism, and there's generally not much left (after the harm was done; layoffs happened)Mar 16 11:04
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schestowitz-pi2<techrights-news> techdirt shilling for communist party again, mistaking the beijing regime for 'free speech' ☛ https://www.techdirt.com/2024/03/15/a-tiktok-ban-is-a-pointless-political-turd-for-democrats/ | Source: TechdirtMar 16 11:13
schestowitz-pi2<techrights-news> misinformation is a real problem in tiktok, but then the EFF looks for excuses to shill for tiktok ☛ https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2024/03/lawmakers-ban-tiktok-stop-election-misinformation-same-lawmakers-restrict-how | Source: EFFMar 16 11:16
techrights-news➲ 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⨦ (NEW):  Dolphin 24.02 ⇨ http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2024/03/16/Dolphin_24_02.shtml | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2024/03/16/Dolphin_24_02.gmi ∎Mar 16 11:21
techrights-news➲ 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⨦ (NEW):  𝘛𝘶𝘹 𝘔𝘢𝘤𝘩𝘪𝘯𝘦𝘴: Google Android Leftovers ⇨ http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2024/03/16/Android_Leftovers.shtml | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2024/03/16/Android_Leftovers.gmi ∎Mar 16 11:30
schestowitz-pi2eff alarmed that the Communist Party of China, a CHAMPION of free speech... oh wait.... ☛ https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2024/03/5-big-unanswered-questions-about-tiktok-bill | Source: EFFMar 16 12:00
techrightsecPossibly Windoze TCO:Mar 16 12:01
techrightsechttps://www.thesun.co.uk/money/26730131/sainsburys-supermarket-closed-shut-online-order-issue/Mar 16 12:01
techrightsecprobably more info laterMar 16 12:01
schestowitz-pi2To access the site, please log in using your Sainsbury's or Sainsbury's Bank email address. Unable to access your account? Please click here. ? 2013 MicMar 16 12:05
schestowitz-pi2rosoft.Mar 16 12:05
schestowitz-pi2To access the site, please log in using your Sainsbury's or Sainsbury's Bank email address. Unable to access your account? Please click here. ? 2013 MicMar 16 12:05
schestowitz-pi2rosoft.Mar 16 12:05
schestowitz-pi2microsoft at bottomMar 16 12:05
schestowitz-pi2add to TCOMar 16 12:05
schestowitz-pi2https://sts.sainsburys.co.uk/adfs/ls/?client-request-id=da309f06-be38-4a29-8020-8b259f51324e&username=&wa=wsignin1.0&wtrealm=urn:federation:MicrosoftOnlMar 16 12:05
schestowitz-pi2ine&wctx=estsredirect=2%26estsrequest=rQIIAY2RvY_SYADG7wWulzsHL8b9LkYHTUrf922vfUviQGkhQACxINTEkH5TrrSlHyBMjiY6XOJ2g5c4MjoZB3dvOlf-Akfj5CjExU1_w5Mnebbf8yMar 16 12:05
schestowitz-pi2iPiqh0H_4B07ukoeMg2rR37S_iO0fH1BXckC8PG69O3zy46uL2JThOdC9IjCxeJkUzLGbna3AyTtMoKTFMmKV-GJ4XQ8fxTHs7T5lwoTOfALgBYJ0TeJYXBcxxCAo8ElnEkyIxCbHPsE5DZBGag6JAiyMar 16 12:05
schestowitz-pi2Zr0JjwBCEssjbkNrnbnXKWjvEuwthb2T9zh04YT0dRmKSX-fegqqWSnNRdpSxJI1JvZ27Sr46feIPlxNeaXewavZlAhvKqVlM5bfmSp8tLTpaVudzK7BpM3cDUZDlS_XrQjBstZaj4eqXK1wxJj5ZPa5Mar 16 12:05
schestowitz-pi24808tndkfsOYnQc6xBP0VejxOHQ07AghrP-cBrkiwI4CBS-vq81RnMtLk1waI1cqXFOv9fvj_mqa2xaRhc56kwsgPPuimAXwXwYX97xMHXey_effPlt37C3qoU9q73mXGLWySTpNJxicZE_Y4hlCUSOXMar 16 12:05
schestowitz-pi2XDaKlqm1mpfMPylaj3LO4-JiV0QYELivpOgR8UeH2w9_nwX7dtju5iiEQaCjTCpxiWkFBiuee_AQ2Mar 16 12:05
schestowitz-pi2https://live.retail-week.com/2023-full-agenda/microsoft-sainsburys-making-meaningful-impact-mental-wellbeingMar 16 12:05
techrightsecNo info about what is hosting their web app:Mar 16 12:06
techrightsechttps://sitereport.netcraft.com/?url=https://sainsburys.co.uk#ssl_tableMar 16 12:06
techrightsecAh!  I suspected as much.  Mar 16 12:06
techrightsechttps://www.about.sainsburys.co.uk/about-us/managementMar 16 12:06
techrightsecM$ Teams: https://luna.sainsburys.co.uk/getting-started/for-developers/Mar 16 12:06
schestowitz-pi2sainsburystoyou is another siteMar 16 12:06
schestowitz-pi2iirc some microsoft shiteMar 16 12:06
schestowitz-pi2i used to use thgat ages ago, 20+ years agoMar 16 12:06
schestowitz-pi2https://www.tcs.com/what-we-do/industries/retail/case-study/sainsburys-power-automate-legacy-modernizationMar 16 12:08
schestowitz-pi2modernization LOL!Mar 16 12:08
techrightsec   <li><b>ai_session</b>  This cookie name is associated with the Microsoft Application Insights software, which cMar 16 12:11
techrightsecollects statistical usage and telemetry information for apps built on the Azure cloud platform. This is a unique anonymous session identifier cookie.</lMar 16 12:11
techrightseci>Mar 16 12:11
techrightsec-- https://partnerplatform.sainsburys.co.uk/Portal/Mar 16 12:11
techrightsecConclusion: almost certainly Windoze TCOMar 16 12:11
schestowitz-pi2no it is russia's faultMar 16 12:11
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techrightsecYeah, it obviously can't be the fault of m$ for decades of shoddy design Mar 16 12:18
techrightsecand workmanship, nor the fault of the a-holes shoehorning m$ products intoMar 16 12:18
techrightsecproduction environments.Mar 16 12:18
schestowitz-pi2<techrights-news> EFF: we care about your rights, so we devote our resources to Hamas and Beijing.Mar 16 12:24
schestowitz-pi2but looking at the totality of EFF articles yesterday (almost a dozen in one day), their advovcacy for privacy was relatively OKMar 16 12:24
schestowitz-pi2i will keep a watchful eyeMar 16 12:24
schestowitz-pi2i don't truyst _some_ people in effMar 16 12:24
techrightsecThat's an improvemnt though their slobbering over Hamas and CCP detractMar 16 12:25
techrightsecfrom that message. Mar 16 12:25
techrightsecNor do I.  They are not there to advance digital rights, rather the opposite. Mar 16 12:25
schestowitz-pi2like Open Borders GroupMar 16 12:25
techrightsecI wonder that the others there don't see that their work is being undermined.Mar 16 12:25
techrightsec:/Mar 16 12:25
schestowitz-pi2sirius 'ceo'Mar 16 12:28
schestowitz-pi2and former staffMar 16 12:28
schestowitz-pi2deleting the pastMar 16 12:28
schestowitz-pi2sport illustrated (hey hi spam)Mar 16 12:28
schestowitz-pi2splcMar 16 12:28
schestowitz-pi2things you don't want to associate withMar 16 12:28
schestowitz-pi2after things changedMar 16 12:28
schestowitz-pi2<techrights-news> robertreich.org has become a microblog reposting X (Musk) BS, thus making robertreich.org rather pointless. Embedded "tweets" have little "worth"...Mar 16 12:46
schestowitz-pi2<techrights-news> Patently-O did the same for a while, but then realised it was an error.. and stoppedMar 16 12:46
schestowitz-pi2<techrights-news> Almost 90% of the latest 10 are just "tweets" in https://robertreich.org/rssMar 16 12:46
schestowitz-pi2www.nytimes.com | Opinion | Russia?s Persecution of L.G.B.T.Q. Ukrainians Should Be a Crime Against Humanity - The New York TimesMar 16 12:55
schestowitz-pi2lowering the barMar 16 12:55
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techrights-news➲ 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⨦ (NEW):  Free Software: Video Conferencing, Music, Shellngn, and Drive Cloning ⇨ http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2024/03/16/Free_Software_Video_Conferencing_Music_Shellngn_and_Drive_Cloni.shtml | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2024/03/16/Free_Software_Video_Conferencing_Music_Shellngn_and_Drive_Cloni.gmi ∎Mar 16 13:23
techrights-news➲ 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⨦ (NEW):  Red Hat and Fedora Leftovers ⇨ http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2024/03/16/Red_Hat_and_Fedora_Leftovers.shtml | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2024/03/16/Red_Hat_and_Fedora_Leftovers.gmi ∎Mar 16 13:25
techrights-news➲ 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⨦ (NEW):  PipeWire 1.0.4 Is Here as a Massive Bugfix Release ⇨ http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2024/03/15/PipeWire_1_0_4_Is_Here_as_a_Massive_Bugfix_Release.shtml | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2024/03/15/PipeWire_1_0_4_Is_Here_as_a_Massive_Bugfix_Release.gmi ∎Mar 16 13:27
techrightsecThey can't find any other topics to criticize Russia over.Mar 16 13:33
schestowitz-pi2me: sainsbury is..Mar 16 13:34
schestowitz-pi2.rianne: yes, i know, it's downMar 16 13:34
schestowitz-pi2nop deliverie Mar 16 13:34
schestowitz-pi2it's in t he media nowMar 16 13:34
schestowitz-pi2msft not namedMar 16 13:34
schestowitz-pi2http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2024/03/16/Security_and_Windows_TCO.shtmlMar 16 13:36
schestowitz-pi2would be good to catalogue the siansburys thingMar 16 13:37
schestowitz-pi2under the RIGHT categroryMar 16 13:37
schestowitz-pi2rianne already knows...Mar 16 13:37
schestowitz-pi2but not the SMFT partMar 16 13:37
techrights-news➲ 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⨦ (NEW):  Security and Windows TCO ⇨ http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2024/03/16/Security_and_Windows_TCO.shtml | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2024/03/16/Security_and_Windows_TCO.gmi ∎Mar 16 13:37
techrights-news➲ 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⨦ (NEW):  Devices and Open Hardware: Jetson Nano, Arduino, ESP32, micro:bit, Raspberry Pi ⇨ http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2024/03/16/Devices_and_Open_Hardware_Jetson_Nano_Arduino_ESP32_micro_bit_R.shtml | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2024/03/16/Devices_and_Open_Hardware_Jetson_Nano_Arduino_ESP32_micro_bit_R.gmi ∎Mar 16 13:43
techrights-news➲ 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⨦ (NEW):  Today's 𝘛𝘶𝘹 𝘔𝘢𝘤𝘩𝘪𝘯𝘦𝘴 Leftovers ⇨ http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2024/03/16/today.shtml | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2024/03/16/today.gmi ∎Mar 16 13:55
techrights-news➲ 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⨦ (NEW):  𝘛𝘶𝘹 𝘔𝘢𝘤𝘩𝘪𝘯𝘦𝘴 Programming Leftovers ⇨ http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2024/03/16/Programming_Leftovers.1.shtml | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2024/03/16/Programming_Leftovers.1.gmi ∎Mar 16 13:57
techrights-newsTechrights – Gemini Links 16/03/2024: gplaces in Flathub and the Scroll Protocol ⇨ http://news.techrights.org/n/2024/03/16/Gemini_Links_16_03_2024_gplaces_in_Flathub_and_the_Scroll_Proto.shtml | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/n/2024/03/16/Gemini_Links_16_03_2024_gplaces_in_Flathub_and_the_Scroll_Proto.gmi ∎Mar 16 14:02
techrights-newsTechrights – Links 16/03/2024: TikTok Issues and Censorship Stories ⇨ http://news.techrights.org/n/2024/03/16/Links_16_03_2024_TikTok_Issues_and_Censorship_Stories.shtml | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/n/2024/03/16/Links_16_03_2024_TikTok_Issues_and_Censorship_Stories.gmi ∎Mar 16 14:07
techrightseccheckingMar 16 14:09
techrightsecIt was a rather good CyberShow again.  They covered a diverse range ofMar 16 14:09
techrightsectopics but given my poor hearing these days parts were very hard toMar 16 14:09
techrightsecfollow due to heavy compression combined with certain participants in theMar 16 14:09
techrightsecdiscussion.  Anyway it was very well though out. Mar 16 14:09
techrightsecThe mythical boiling frog - the coercion was done gradually over timeMar 16 14:09
techrightsecso that people embrace it.   Mar 16 14:09
techrightsecAnother thing with the self-checkout is that if they make a mistake, it is Mar 16 14:09
techrightsecon you and they can come after you over the mistake many weeks afterMar 16 14:09
techrightsecthe fact.  At that point it is nearly impossible to prove innocence.   Mar 16 14:09
techrightsecBut that aspect was not raised in the episode.  Mar 16 14:09
techrightsecAs others have mentioned, Flathub should have been called Flatland.  Mar 16 14:10
techrightsecAt least that'd be funny even if it is afflicted with Flatpak bloat.  Mar 16 14:10
techrightsechttp://www.geom.uiuc.edu/~banchoff/Flatland/Mar 16 14:10
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schestowitz-pi2i will write about it shortlyMar 16 14:12
schestowitz-pi2i stopped after 30 minsMar 16 14:12
schestowitz-pi2it's goodf enoughMar 16 14:12
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techrights-newsTechrights – CyberShow's Latest Episode Covers How Technology is Getting Worse (in General) ⇨ http://news.techrights.org/n/2024/03/16/CyberShow_s_Latest_Episode_Covers_How_Technology_is_Getting_Wor.shtml | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/n/2024/03/16/CyberShow_s_Latest_Episode_Covers_How_Technology_is_Getting_Wor.gmi ∎Mar 16 15:16
techrights-newsTechrights – Debian aggression: woman asked about her profession ⇨ http://news.techrights.org/n/2024/03/16/Debian_aggression_woman_asked_about_her_profession.shtml | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/n/2024/03/16/Debian_aggression_woman_asked_about_her_profession.gmi ∎Mar 16 15:51
techrightsecbiabMar 16 16:07
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techrights-news➲ 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⨦ (NEW):  Libadwaita 1.5 ⇨ http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2024/03/16/Libadwaita_1_5.shtml | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2024/03/16/Libadwaita_1_5.gmi ∎Mar 16 16:42
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schestowitz-pi2https://kevquirk.com/the-case-of-the-jumping-eelMar 16 17:20
schestowitz-pi2"It's around 07:30 the following morning and unfortunately, we lost Eric overnight. We've been meaning to re-plant a beautiful wisteria since we moved, Mar 16 17:20
schestowitz-pi2so we will bury him today and plant to wisteria over him.Mar 16 17:20
schestowitz-pi2"Mar 16 17:20
schestowitz-pi2they bigger they are, the mmore attached you becomeMar 16 17:20
schestowitz-pi2inc. elephantsMar 16 17:20
schestowitz-pi2so, IME, the smaller the saferMar 16 17:20
schestowitz-pi2less agonyMar 16 17:20
techrightsec Mar 16 17:21
techrightsecI just read that post prior to the update, where the eel was in still only Mar 16 17:21
techrightsecin bad shape.  Mar 16 17:21
techrightsecYes.  A friend had an oskar which jumped a lot, more as it got bigger.   Mar 16 17:21
techrightsecThe small ones can school which is quite relaxing to watch.  Mar 16 17:21
schestowitz-pi2beautiful and unique animals are easy to get attached toMar 16 17:24
schestowitz-pi2like they are the last of their kindMar 16 17:24
schestowitz-pi2and go "extinct"Mar 16 17:24
schestowitz-pi2or close to itMar 16 17:24
schestowitz-pi2rianne feels worse when she hears of animals dying (than humans)Mar 16 17:24
schestowitz-pi2anyway, i won't show her this storyMar 16 17:24
schestowitz-pi2it won't helpMar 16 17:24
schestowitz-pi2the heat they received can be emitted back into the room if you share it with themMar 16 17:28
schestowitz-pi2along with some warmer, humid air Mar 16 17:28
schestowitz-pi2but anyway, small fish a lot simpler in many waysMar 16 17:28
schestowitz-pi2small but manyMar 16 17:28
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techrightsecThere have been ones about elephants burying dead calves, but I haveMar 16 18:12
techrightsecnot forwarded them because they are kind of sad in a way.   Mar 16 18:12
techrightsecAdult elephants are too big for the other elephants to bury, apparently.  Mar 16 18:12
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schestowitz-pi2you put those in daily linksMar 16 18:17
schestowitz-pi2and i passed to rianne at the time, then she told her parents tooMar 16 18:17
schestowitz-pi2i didn't read it, just passed it onMar 16 18:17
techrightsecThere have been quite few I have skipped.  Mar 16 18:19
techrightsecThere are several problems illustrated there, and in similar articles.Mar 16 18:19
techrightsecOne is that darn near everything seems sentient and with strong feelingsMar 16 18:19
techrightsecand emotions and social thoughts, even if limited in thought power.  Mar 16 18:19
techrightsecAnother is that for the most part /life/ itself is dog-eat-dog.   Mar 16 18:19
techrightsecOne life grows something and another life comes by and sees the easy pickingsMar 16 18:19
techrightsecand kills the first life.  Mar 16 18:19
schestowitz-pi2sentient is relative Mar 16 18:20
schestowitz-pi2wheat is not very sentientMar 16 18:20
techrightsecBirds are, etc.  Mar 16 18:27
techrightsecThere was an interesting play-by-mail game my friends and I trieds in theMar 16 18:27
techrightsecearly 1980s where each team 'built' a species, with traits selected from an       Mar 16 18:27
techrightseca la carte menu with weighted costs.  Then about a decade later, a bioMar 16 18:27
techrightsecprofessor made the point that sharks and molluscs etc were not primitive,Mar 16 18:27
techrightsecthey have evolved for longer than people. Mar 16 18:27
techrightsecthey have evolved for longer than people have. Mar 16 18:27
techrightsecthey have evolved for longer than people have evolve, if you count the  Mar 16 18:28
techrightsecspecies alone and not its predecessors.   Mar 16 18:28
schestowitz-pi2igf you gert a fish tank, do not go for 2-feet long eel thing (fish)Mar 16 18:28
schestowitz-pi2or give it a real nameMar 16 18:28
schestowitz-pi2i no longer give fish namesMar 16 18:29
techrightsecAn interesting idea would be to figure out enough traits in animals andMar 16 18:30
techrightsecinventory them in many species and then use some kind of ML or GA to findMar 16 18:30
techrightsecweighted values and use that for a new edition of that game.  Mar 16 18:30
schestowitz-pi2this was done beforeMar 16 18:30
schestowitz-pi2about 5 years agoMar 16 18:30
schestowitz-pi2i forgot who did thatMar 16 18:30
schestowitz-pi2i saw video simulations of the iterationsMar 16 18:30
schestowitz-pi2it was a long time agoMar 16 18:30
techrightsec Mar 16 18:31
techrightsecA 2-foot fish would need a ginormous tank not the small one he had in his post.Mar 16 18:31
techrightsecInteresting.  From the biology class, it was just a throw away remarkMar 16 18:31
techrightsecduring the break from the professor but it is true that in some ways Mar 16 18:31
techrightsecclams are the pinacle of evolution, if you consider it in the contextMar 16 18:31
techrightsecof their branch / clade or whatever.Mar 16 18:31
schestowitz-pi2heading off, knackeredMar 16 18:32
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