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techrights-news | β² πΏππ πΈπππππππ ⨦ (NEW): Introducing graphics offload β¨ http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2023/11/15/Introducing_graphics_offload.shtml | βΎ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2023/11/15/Introducing_graphics_offload.gmi β | Nov 16 01:03 |
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techrights-news | β² πΏππ πΈπππππππ ⨦ (NEW): TUXEDO launches 5th generation Polaris 15 and Stellaris 16 Linux gaming laptops β¨ http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2023/10/26/TUXEDO_launches_5th_generation_Polaris_15_and_Stellaris_16_Linu.shtml | βΎ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2023/10/26/TUXEDO_launches_5th_generation_Polaris_15_and_Stellaris_16_Linu.gmi β | Nov 16 01:04 |
techrights-news | β² πΏππ πΈπππππππ ⨦ (NEW): ππΆπΉ ππ’π€π©πͺπ―π¦π΄: Google Android Leftovers β¨ http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2023/11/15/Android_Leftovers.1.shtml | βΎ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2023/11/15/Android_Leftovers.1.gmi β | Nov 16 01:04 |
techrights-news | β² πΏππ πΈπππππππ ⨦ (NEW): You Can Now Install Linux Kernel 6.6 on Ubuntu, Hereβs How β¨ http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2023/11/15/You_Can_Now_Install_Linux_Kernel_6_6_on_Ubuntu_Here_s_How.shtml | βΎ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2023/11/15/You_Can_Now_Install_Linux_Kernel_6_6_on_Ubuntu_Here_s_How.gmi β | Nov 16 01:04 |
techrights-news | β² πΏππ πΈπππππππ ⨦ (NEW): Announcing Istio 1.20.0 β¨ http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2023/11/16/Announcing_Istio_1_20_0.shtml | βΎ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2023/11/16/Announcing_Istio_1_20_0.gmi β | Nov 16 02:37 |
techrights-news | Techrights β IRC Proceedings: Wednesday, November 15, 2023 β¨ http://news.techrights.org/n/2023/11/16/irc-log-151123.shtml | βΎ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/n/2023/11/16/irc-log-151123.gmi β | Nov 16 02:43 |
schestowitz-pi | gm | Nov 16 02:48 |
schestowitz-pi | am in good, high spirits today | Nov 16 02:48 |
schestowitz-pi | thanks for the good work on the DB | Nov 16 02:48 |
schestowitz-pi | it works flawlessly | Nov 16 02:48 |
schestowitz-pi | irc is on topic and everyone is healthy, even mandy | Nov 16 02:48 |
schestowitz-pi | had a major operation | Nov 16 02:48 |
schestowitz-pi | DaemonFC looks after him well | Nov 16 02:48 |
techrights-sec | np | Nov 16 02:52 |
techrights-sec | still thinking about how to identify the original content retroactively | Nov 16 02:52 |
techrights-sec | however, next step is mocking up a template for "original" vs "news" | Nov 16 02:52 |
techrights-sec | I think the difference in the code can be minimal | Nov 16 02:52 |
techrights-sec | "Read on" is in most of the "news" posts | Nov 16 02:52 |
techrights-sec | but not all | Nov 16 02:52 |
schestowitz-pi | i am thinking of a criteria other than end of post unicode marker | Nov 16 02:53 |
schestowitz-pi | as it is not very consistent or reliable | Nov 16 02:53 |
schestowitz-pi | yet better than nothing | Nov 16 02:53 |
schestowitz-pi | the drop caps are also in "news" | Nov 16 02:53 |
schestowitz-pi | so are images | Nov 16 02:53 |
schestowitz-pi | author is not a slicing criterion | Nov 16 02:53 |
schestowitz-pi | nor is date | Nov 16 02:53 |
schestowitz-pi | "read on" does not catch cluster-formatted posts | Nov 16 02:53 |
techrights-sec | > select count(recno) from keys; | Nov 16 02:56 |
techrights-sec | 16592 | Nov 16 02:56 |
schestowitz-pi | nice. | Nov 16 03:00 |
schestowitz-pi | i've long wondered how many we 'clocked' since summer of 2022 | Nov 16 03:00 |
schestowitz-pi | i think we did an ok job | Nov 16 03:00 |
schestowitz-pi | 1) reporting (adding links to) fast | Nov 16 03:00 |
schestowitz-pi | 2) covering broadly | Nov 16 03:00 |
schestowitz-pi | 3) 3 people doing the curation | Nov 16 03:00 |
schestowitz-pi | 4) trendocean is almost defunct site | Nov 16 03:00 |
schestowitz-pi | (barely active) | Nov 16 03:00 |
schestowitz-pi | unlike arindam and marius, who very rarely post in bad taste | Nov 16 03:00 |
schestowitz-pi | marius tends to catch big stories before rianne finds them | Nov 16 03:00 |
schestowitz-pi | he latches onto mailing lists and such for quick takes | Nov 16 03:00 |
techrights-sec | Excellent | Nov 16 03:02 |
schestowitz-pi | note to self: MTR (MIT) quality sank. i almost never find anything there anymore. | Nov 16 03:03 |
schestowitz-pi | they went through spamfarm period, probably then sacked the good writers | Nov 16 03:03 |
schestowitz-pi | now churning out junk, _if_ anything | Nov 16 03:03 |
techrights-sec | MIT really is spam and not just regular spam but borderline lies to | Nov 16 03:04 |
techrights-sec | push heinous agendas | Nov 16 03:04 |
schestowitz-pi | it used to be a good site with high-quality articles about science | Nov 16 03:05 |
schestowitz-pi | then it becomes spamnil-like | Nov 16 03:05 |
schestowitz-pi | the lies are a "premium" service | Nov 16 03:05 |
schestowitz-pi | ????? https://www.which.co.uk/news/feed ?????????????????????? Wed, 15 Nov 2023 00:00:00 GMT ??????? Amazon Black Friday sale 2023: best deals live now | Nov 16 03:06 |
schestowitz-pi | spam. | Nov 16 03:06 |
schestowitz-pi | but this one is easy to curate away at top level | Nov 16 03:06 |
schestowitz-pi | Save $90 on an HP OfficeJet 250 All-in-One Portable Printer ? https://feeds.maketecheasier.com/link/12555/16452133/hp-officejet-250-all-in-one-portable-printer | Nov 16 03:07 |
schestowitz-pi | spam | Nov 16 03:07 |
schestowitz-pi | these ones i do not mind too much | Nov 16 03:07 |
schestowitz-pi | you scroll past them fast | Nov 16 03:07 |
schestowitz-pi | i added a total filter to exclude cnet | Nov 16 03:07 |
schestowitz-pi | many "articles", 90^ spam | Nov 16 03:07 |
schestowitz-pi | 90 pct | Nov 16 03:07 |
techrights-sec | long ago | Nov 16 03:25 |
techrights-sec | The CSS for tuxmachines is very long. I wonder if the best approach | Nov 16 03:25 |
techrights-sec | is to leave it as is and wrap the post in an extra div.$category style, | Nov 16 03:25 |
techrights-sec | or a more complex but smaller approach would be to have a separate style | Nov 16 03:25 |
techrights-sec | common rules and then custom style sheets for each category. | Nov 16 03:25 |
schestowitz-pi | css can be cpu overhead at the _client_ side | Nov 16 03:28 |
schestowitz-pi | the files are relatively small, compared to JS BS | Nov 16 03:28 |
schestowitz-pi | so the page rendering time depends mostly on CSS complexity | Nov 16 03:28 |
schestowitz-pi | but we're nowhere near bloat levels of other "mainstream" sites | Nov 16 03:28 |
schestowitz-pi | i wonder if benchmarks exist thatr | Nov 16 03:28 |
schestowitz-pi | - show for each rendering engine | Nov 16 03:28 |
schestowitz-pi | - for each directive | Nov 16 03:28 |
schestowitz-pi | - the speed and cpu toll, per platform, e.g. x/wayland | Nov 16 03:28 |
schestowitz-pi | since technical journalism died years ago, i doubt such a thing exiwst | Nov 16 03:28 |
schestowitz-pi | anyway, the bigger overhead now is JS | Nov 16 03:28 |
schestowitz-pi | as the client side need to fetch and then execute proprietary programs | Nov 16 03:28 |
schestowitz-pi | that in turn the presentation layer must wait for (bottleneck) | Nov 16 03:28 |
schestowitz-pi | tldr: css length does not worry me much, it can be expressive and brief | Nov 16 03:28 |
schestowitz-pi | quick to parse uin netsurf on a decade-old laptop here | Nov 16 03:28 |
techrights-sec | Ok, I'll plan around the first option. Thanks. | Nov 16 03:29 |
techrights-sec | Maybe something can be pared down in the CSS while digging there. | Nov 16 03:29 |
schestowitz-pi | the fun thing about css is longevity | Nov 16 03:30 |
schestowitz-pi | the old site had the same core css for 17 years | Nov 16 03:30 |
schestowitz-pi | and it impacts so many pages in one fell swoop | Nov 16 03:31 |
schestowitz-pi | and decides how literally millions of people will see it | Nov 16 03:31 |
schestowitz-pi | css is, in general, a good thing | Nov 16 03:31 |
schestowitz-pi | i remember the www before css was widely adopted | Nov 16 03:31 |
schestowitz-pi | managing many pages was harder, many files were self contained for presentation | Nov 16 03:31 |
schestowitz-pi | hence, either ugly or bloated | Nov 16 03:31 |
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schestowitz-pi | Acer Nitro 27-Inch Curved WQHD Monitor Drops to $145 at Walmart ? https://www.tomshardware.com/monitors/acer-nitro-27-inch-curved-wqhd-monitor-drops-to-dollar145-at-walmart | Nov 16 03:51 |
schestowitz-pi | spam | Nov 16 03:51 |
psydruid | I buy them at β¬10 used and cables and adapters are available for a few euros too | Nov 16 03:54 |
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techrights-news | β² πΏππ πΈπππππππ ⨦ (NEW): Today's ππΆπΉ ππ’π€π©πͺπ―π¦π΄ Leftovers β¨ http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2023/11/16/today_s_leftovers.shtml | βΎ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2023/11/16/today_s_leftovers.gmi β | Nov 16 04:28 |
techrights-news | β² πΏππ πΈπππππππ ⨦ (NEW): Security Leftovers and Windows TCO β¨ http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2023/11/16/Security_Leftovers_and_Windows_TCO.shtml | βΎ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2023/11/16/Security_Leftovers_and_Windows_TCO.gmi β | Nov 16 04:29 |
techrights-news | Techrights β Links 16/11/2023: Microsoft Unbans Radical Sites, Biden Meets Winnie the Pooh β¨ http://news.techrights.org/n/2023/11/16/Links_16_11_2023_Microsoft_Unbans_Radical_Sites_Biden_Meets_Win.shtml | βΎ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/n/2023/11/16/Links_16_11_2023_Microsoft_Unbans_Radical_Sites_Biden_Meets_Win.gmi β | Nov 16 04:29 |
techrights-sec | biab | Nov 16 04:40 |
techrights-sec | back, briefly | Nov 16 07:47 |
techrights-sec | The mainstream press is sure conscientious in avoiding mention of | Nov 16 07:47 |
techrights-sec | the role of m$ in the shutting down of shipping in Australia, even | Nov 16 07:47 |
techrights-sec | after what m$ did to Denmark a short while back. | Nov 16 07:47 |
techrights-sec | back in some hours | Nov 16 07:47 |
schestowitz-pi | techrights-news> Microsoft attacking Mesa with WSL EEE β https://www.phoronix.com/news/OpenGL-4.4-On-D3D12 see http://techrights.org/o/2023/06/30/embrace-extend-extinguish-phoronix/ Larabel in the pockets of the x86 camp, cannot cover this properly and objectively, like "Bill Chill" | Nov 16 07:59 |
schestowitz-pi | -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights- Microsoft Gets OpenGL 4.4 Running Atop Direct3D 12 Using Mesa, OpenGL 4.5 Inbound - Phoronix | Nov 16 07:59 |
schestowitz-pi | -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights- techrights.org | This is How Phoronix Covers Microsoft's Attack on Linux, Turning Mesa Into a Mess (Windows Code) | Nov 16 07:59 |
schestowitz-pi | <techrights-news> Larabel holds wooden horse on a leash, brings it past the gate for traffic and ad clicks | Nov 16 07:59 |
techrights-news | Techrights β Over at Tux Machines... β¨ http://news.techrights.org/n/2023/11/16/Over_at_Tux_Machines.shtml | βΎ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/n/2023/11/16/Over_at_Tux_Machines.gmi β | Nov 16 08:48 |
techrights-news | β² πΏππ πΈπππππππ ⨦ (UPDATE): Blender 4.0 Scores Powerful Upgrades β¨ http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2023/11/16/Blender_4_0_Scores_Powerful_Upgrades.shtml | βΎ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2023/11/16/Blender_4_0_Scores_Powerful_Upgrades.gmi β | Nov 16 08:49 |
techrights-news | β² πΏππ πΈπππππππ ⨦ (UPDATE): Kdenlive 23.08.3 Released with Faster Clip Importing and Enhanced Rendering β¨ http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2023/11/16/Kdenlive_23_08_3_Released_with_Faster_Clip_Importing_and_Enhanc.shtml | βΎ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2023/11/16/Kdenlive_23_08_3_Released_with_Faster_Clip_Importing_and_Enhanc.gmi β | Nov 16 08:49 |
techrights-news | β² πΏππ πΈπππππππ ⨦ (NEW): Today in Techrights β¨ http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2023/11/16/Today_in_Techrights.shtml | βΎ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2023/11/16/Today_in_Techrights.gmi β | Nov 16 08:49 |
techrights-news | β² πΏππ πΈπππππππ ⨦ (NEW): Haiku Activity & Contract Report, October 2023 β¨ http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2023/11/16/Haiku_Activity_Contract_Report_October_2023.shtml | βΎ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2023/11/16/Haiku_Activity_Contract_Report_October_2023.gmi β | Nov 16 08:49 |
techrights-news | β² πΏππ πΈπππππππ ⨦ (NEW): Banana Pi teases RK3588-powered Single Board Computer with dual 2.5GbE β¨ http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2023/11/16/Banana_Pi_teases_RK3588_powered_Single_Board_Computer_with_dual.shtml | βΎ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2023/11/16/Banana_Pi_teases_RK3588_powered_Single_Board_Computer_with_dual.gmi β | Nov 16 08:49 |
techrights-news | β² πΏππ πΈπππππππ ⨦ (UPDATE): OBS Studio 30 Released with Support for Intel QSV H264, HEVC, and AV1 on Linux β¨ http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2023/11/12/OBS_Studio_30_Released_with_Support_for_Intel_QSV_H264_HEVC_and.shtml | βΎ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2023/11/12/OBS_Studio_30_Released_with_Support_for_Intel_QSV_H264_HEVC_and.gmi β | Nov 16 08:49 |
techrights-news | β² πΏππ πΈπππππππ ⨦ (NEW): The Linux Scheduler And How It Handles More Cores β¨ http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2023/11/16/The_Linux_Scheduler_And_How_It_Handles_More_Cores.shtml | βΎ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2023/11/16/The_Linux_Scheduler_And_How_It_Handles_More_Cores.gmi β | Nov 16 08:50 |
techrights-news | β² πΏππ πΈπππππππ ⨦ (NEW): #HowTo Emulate macOS Interface on your Linux System β¨ http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2023/11/16/How_to_Emulate_macOS_Interface_on_your_Linux_System.shtml | βΎ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2023/11/16/How_to_Emulate_macOS_Interface_on_your_Linux_System.gmi β | Nov 16 08:50 |
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techrights-news | β² πΏππ πΈπππππππ ⨦ (NEW): Today's ππΆπΉ ππ’π€π©πͺπ―π¦π΄ HowTos β¨ http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2023/11/16/today_s_howtos.shtml | βΎ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2023/11/16/today_s_howtos.gmi β | Nov 16 09:53 |
techrights-news | β² πΏππ πΈπππππππ ⨦ (NEW): Kernel: New in LWN (Outside the Paywall and Rust Burden β¨ http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2023/11/16/Kernel_New_in_LWN_Outside_the_Paywall_and_Rust_Burden.shtml | βΎ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2023/11/16/Kernel_New_in_LWN_Outside_the_Paywall_and_Rust_Burden.gmi β | Nov 16 09:54 |
techrights-news | β² πΏππ πΈπππππππ ⨦ (NEW): Nordic introduces nRF7002 EK WiFi 6 Arduino Shield, nRF7000 SSID-based Wi-Fi locationing chip β¨ http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2023/11/16/Nordic_introduces_nRF7002_EK_WiFi_6_Arduino_Shield_nRF7000_SSID.shtml | βΎ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2023/11/16/Nordic_introduces_nRF7002_EK_WiFi_6_Arduino_Shield_nRF7000_SSID.gmi β | Nov 16 09:54 |
techrights-news | β² πΏππ πΈπππππππ ⨦ (NEW): Open Hardware/Modding: Raspberry Pi and Arduino β¨ http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2023/11/16/Open_Hardware_Modding_Raspberry_Pi_and_Arduino.shtml | βΎ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2023/11/16/Open_Hardware_Modding_Raspberry_Pi_and_Arduino.gmi β | Nov 16 09:54 |
techrights-news | β² πΏππ πΈπππππππ ⨦ (NEW): Linux Foundation Openwashing Subgroups β¨ http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2023/11/16/Linux_Foundation_Openwashing_Subgroups.shtml | βΎ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2023/11/16/Linux_Foundation_Openwashing_Subgroups.gmi β | Nov 16 09:54 |
techrights-news | β² πΏππ πΈπππππππ ⨦ (NEW): Red Hat/Servers: F39 Elections, Fedora Magazine, Kubernetes, and Qubes β¨ http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2023/11/16/Red_Hat_Servers_F39_Elections_Fedora_Magazine_Kubernetes_and_Qu.shtml | βΎ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2023/11/16/Red_Hat_Servers_F39_Elections_Fedora_Magazine_Kubernetes_and_Qu.gmi β | Nov 16 09:54 |
techrights-news | β² πΏππ πΈπππππππ ⨦ (NEW): Kdenlive Sprint Recap β November 2023 β¨ http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2023/11/16/Kdenlive_Sprint_Recap_November_2023.shtml | βΎ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2023/11/16/Kdenlive_Sprint_Recap_November_2023.gmi β | Nov 16 09:55 |
techrights-news | β² πΏππ πΈπππππππ ⨦ (NEW): ππΆπΉ ππ’π€π©πͺπ―π¦π΄ Programming Leftovers β¨ http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2023/11/16/Programming_Leftovers.shtml | βΎ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2023/11/16/Programming_Leftovers.gmi β | Nov 16 09:55 |
techrights-news | β² πΏππ πΈπππππππ ⨦ (NEW): ππΆπΉ ππ’π€π©πͺπ―π¦π΄: Google Android Leftovers β¨ http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2023/11/16/Android_Leftovers.shtml | βΎ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2023/11/16/Android_Leftovers.gmi β | Nov 16 11:24 |
techrights-news | β² πΏππ πΈπππππππ ⨦ (NEW): Games: Steam Deck, SteamOS, Anima Flux, and More β¨ http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2023/11/16/Games_Steam_Deck_SteamOS_Anima_Flux_and_More.shtml | βΎ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2023/11/16/Games_Steam_Deck_SteamOS_Anima_Flux_and_More.gmi β | Nov 16 11:24 |
techrights-news | β² πΏππ πΈπππππππ ⨦ (NEW): Kubernetes Resource Limits and Major Changes in Kubernetes 1.29 β¨ http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2023/11/16/Kubernetes_Resource_Limits_and_Major_Changes_in_Kubernetes_1_29.shtml | βΎ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2023/11/16/Kubernetes_Resource_Limits_and_Major_Changes_in_Kubernetes_1_29.gmi β | Nov 16 11:24 |
techrights-news | β² πΏππ πΈπππππππ ⨦ (NEW): Windows Total Cost of Ownership (Data/System Breaches) β¨ http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2023/11/16/Windows_Total_Cost_of_Ownership_Data_System_Breaches.shtml | βΎ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2023/11/16/Windows_Total_Cost_of_Ownership_Data_System_Breaches.gmi β | Nov 16 11:24 |
techrights-news | β² πΏππ πΈπππππππ ⨦ (NEW): Hands-On with MX Linux 23 on Raspberry Pi 5 β¨ http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2023/11/16/Hands_On_with_MX_Linux_23_on_Raspberry_Pi_5.shtml | βΎ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2023/11/16/Hands_On_with_MX_Linux_23_on_Raspberry_Pi_5.gmi β | Nov 16 11:24 |
techrights-news | β² πΏππ πΈπππππππ ⨦ (NEW): Security Leftovers β¨ http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2023/11/16/Security_Leftovers.shtml | βΎ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2023/11/16/Security_Leftovers.gmi β | Nov 16 11:24 |
techrights-news | β² πΏππ πΈπππππππ ⨦ (NEW): Cautionary Tale About Microsoft and VSCode β¨ http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2023/11/16/Cautionary_Tale_About_Microsoft_and_VSCode.shtml | βΎ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2023/11/16/Cautionary_Tale_About_Microsoft_and_VSCode.gmi β | Nov 16 11:26 |
techrights-news | β² πΏππ πΈπππππππ ⨦ (NEW): Peter Czanik and syslog-ng News β¨ http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2023/11/16/Peter_Czanik_and_syslog_ng_News.shtml | βΎ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2023/11/16/Peter_Czanik_and_syslog_ng_News.gmi β | Nov 16 11:27 |
techrights-news | β² πΏππ πΈπππππππ ⨦ (NEW): Applications for GNU/Linux β¨ http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2023/11/16/Applications_for_GNU_Linux.shtml | βΎ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2023/11/16/Applications_for_GNU_Linux.gmi β | Nov 16 11:28 |
techrights-news | β² πΏππ πΈπππππππ ⨦ (NEW): CodeWeavers CrossOver 23.6 and Black Friday Bundle β¨ http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2023/11/16/CodeWeavers_CrossOver_23_6_and_Black_Friday_Bundle.shtml | βΎ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2023/11/16/CodeWeavers_CrossOver_23_6_and_Black_Friday_Bundle.gmi β | Nov 16 11:29 |
techrights-news | β² πΏππ πΈπππππππ ⨦ (NEW): Today's ππΆπΉ ππ’π€π©πͺπ―π¦π΄ Leftovers β¨ http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2023/11/16/today_s_leftovers.1.shtml | βΎ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2023/11/16/today_s_leftovers.1.gmi β | Nov 16 11:29 |
techrights-news | Techrights β Links 16/11/2023: Debunking Chatbot Hype and Remembering Antitrust Violations by Microsoft β¨ http://news.techrights.org/n/2023/11/16/Links_16_11_2023_Debunking_Chatbot_Hype_and_Remembering_Antitru.shtml | βΎ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/n/2023/11/16/Links_16_11_2023_Debunking_Chatbot_Hype_and_Remembering_Antitru.gmi β | Nov 16 11:31 |
techrights-sec | back | Nov 16 11:38 |
techrights-sec | https://yle.fi/a/74-20058314 | Nov 16 11:38 |
schestowitz-pi | ranrt: our url slugs better than yle | Nov 16 11:40 |
schestowitz-pi | yle, we don' | Nov 16 11:40 |
schestowitz-pi | t need id numbers of posts | Nov 16 11:40 |
schestowitz-pi | we don't care | Nov 16 11:40 |
schestowitz-pi | give somne taxonomy at the very least | Nov 16 11:41 |
schestowitz-pi | "Several workers in the industry οΏ½ especially those coming to Lapland from abroad οΏ½ have told Yle News that long hours and underpaid wages are commonplace, people are hired and fired at random | Nov 16 11:41 |
schestowitz-pi | , staff accommodation units are overcrowded, and the exploitation of employees is an "open secret". | Nov 16 11:41 |
schestowitz-pi | " | Nov 16 11:41 |
schestowitz-pi | when the only way to grow - or survive - is to rob the workers | Nov 16 11:41 |
schestowitz-pi | in asda, workers rob the customers | Nov 16 11:41 |
schestowitz-pi | worse than shopliting | Nov 16 11:41 |
techrights-sec | was there action by the management this time in regards to the shortchanging? | Nov 16 11:48 |
schestowitz-pi | yes, but i won't be there to make sure the action is sufficient | Nov 16 11:49 |
schestowitz-pi | they really need to at least remove her from duties near cash | Nov 16 11:49 |
schestowitz-pi | <techrights-news> "A static site generator mostly needs to do five things: [...]" ? https://arne.me/articles/we-need-to-bring-back-webrings | | Nov 16 11:51 |
schestowitz-pi | says security | Nov 16 11:51 |
schestowitz-pi | OS/port level security still a thing | Nov 16 11:51 |
schestowitz-pi | my site still uses webringas | Nov 16 11:51 |
schestowitz-pi | many gem capsules do the same | Nov 16 11:51 |
techrights-sec | Should TM or TR be in a Gemini ring? | Nov 16 11:52 |
schestowitz-pi | it would overcomplicate things | Nov 16 11:54 |
schestowitz-pi | right now some of the TR capsule is not yet fully restored | Nov 16 11:54 |
schestowitz-pi | btw, http://techrights.org/irc-channel/ | Nov 16 11:54 |
schestowitz-pi | i assume they are under /o/ | Nov 16 11:54 |
schestowitz-pi | there are still some www pages i want to edit before fixing old stuff in gemini | Nov 16 11:54 |
techrights-sec | https://techrights.org/o/irc-channel/ | Nov 16 12:12 |
techrights-sec | " some companies would only pay workers for the hours they were assigned, not the actual hours worked.οΏ½οΏ½" | Nov 16 12:12 |
techrights-sec | ... | Nov 16 12:12 |
techrights-sec | " One former employee of a renowned and award-winning tourism company told the paper that the staff were "treated like slaves"." | Nov 16 12:12 |
techrights-sec | ... | Nov 16 12:12 |
techrights-sec | " Nearly half of the 2,350 companies inspected by the authority were paying their workers less than the legal minimum required by collective bargaining agreements." | Nov 16 12:13 |
techrights-sec | and, no, joining a union does not help with the mistreatment | Nov 16 12:13 |
schestowitz-pi | last year i read about usa; people offered "jobs" where cost of public transit to "work" would be almost canceling out the salary | Nov 16 12:17 |
schestowitz-pi | usually staff like 3-4 hour jobs far away with no benefits and a state with low min-wage | Nov 16 12:17 |
techrights-sec | <techrights-news> "Now she has released a memoir about the grueling work conditions, which she says have been key to the businessβs success" https://english.elpais.com/technology/2023-11-15/working-in-amazon-offices-was-like-slowly-killing-yourself-life-in-the-tech-giant-according-to-a-former-executive.html | Nov 16 12:41 |
schestowitz-pi | yhen you can have large retailers cutting one shift into 2 or 3, making jobs that nobody can want or live on. some takes appear, they leave quickly, you declare "workers shortage" and get hut dwellers from a very primitieve country to accept modern slavery condition | Nov 16 12:41 |
techrights-sec | and along with them comes a toxic mind virus where they build up | Nov 16 12:50 |
techrights-sec | a 'parallel economy' but which is not parallel to them | Nov 16 12:50 |
techrights-sec | Some of the goal of there oligarchs and wannabe oligarchs is to finish knocking | Nov 16 12:50 |
techrights-sec | the bottom out of the economy another goal is to import a mind virus | Nov 16 12:50 |
techrights-sec | bearing a payload of eternal war | Nov 16 12:50 |
techrights-sec | war == profit for them | Nov 16 12:50 |
techrights-sec | ] | Nov 16 12:50 |
schestowitz-pi | https://www.grassley.senate.gov/news/news-releases/grassley-gates-solution-isnt-importing-more-foreign-workers | Nov 16 12:53 |
schestowitz-pi | https://www.nbcnews.com/id/wbna23579829 | Nov 16 12:53 |
schestowitz-pi | TR covered this a lot too | Nov 16 12:53 |
schestowitz-pi | but ages ago | Nov 16 12:53 |
schestowitz-pi | it has since then fallen off the media agenda | Nov 16 12:53 |
techrights-sec | Then there is the matter of transport, as you bring up. | Nov 16 12:56 |
schestowitz-pi | some companies provide a car on loan | Nov 16 12:58 |
schestowitz-pi | it's not free | Nov 16 12:58 |
schestowitz-pi | they expect things in return | Nov 16 12:58 |
schestowitz-pi | same when they grant a "promotion" | Nov 16 12:58 |
schestowitz-pi | if no loaned car, you have to buy and maintain your own | Nov 16 12:58 |
schestowitz-pi | they_may_ cover "mileage" | Nov 16 12:58 |
schestowitz-pi | not your car and life insurance | Nov 16 12:58 |
schestowitz-pi | and a dozen other things that come with a car (i used to have a complete mental list of them when i drove) | Nov 16 12:58 |
techrights-sec | Operating costs = 3760+1220+790+680+150 = 6600 per year | Nov 16 12:59 |
techrights-sec | That seems to be a lowball estimate from the AAA | Nov 16 12:59 |
techrights-sec | Others put it higher. eg : | Nov 16 12:59 |
techrights-sec | https://www.moneygeek.com/insurance/auto/analysis/costs-of-car-ownership/ | Nov 16 12:59 |
schestowitz-pi | it rises faster than inflation due to the "smart" [sic] factor | Nov 16 13:00 |
schestowitz-pi | shroter lives | Nov 16 13:00 |
schestowitz-pi | cost of repair | Nov 16 13:00 |
schestowitz-pi | and of course purchasing price, which many do as "installments" (cannot afford, want to impress my so-called 'friends' for status) | Nov 16 13:00 |
schestowitz-pi | <techrights-news> A lot of US billionaires (not all of them but a lot) are like Trump - swimming in debt and many lies. The economy has become a Jenga tower of speculations, loans, and promises that cannot be fulfilled, i.e. deliberate or unintended Ponzi scheme where the deficits are passed to "credit" cards, mortgages, national debt | Nov 16 13:00 |
techrights-sec | both assume that there will be trade in value, which is not a given any more | Nov 16 13:03 |
techrights-sec | so the full price ought to be counted in, even if amortized over 7 years | Nov 16 13:03 |
techrights-sec | which is the legal definition of a car's lifetime nowadays | Nov 16 13:03 |
techrights-sec | https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a43611570/average-new-car-price-down-still-high/ | Nov 16 13:03 |
techrights-sec | 50k / 5 == 10k per year | Nov 16 13:03 |
techrights-sec | 50k / 7 = ~ 7.1 k per year | Nov 16 13:03 |
techrights-sec | Eww, gross, an embedded M$ "Excel" web app: | Nov 16 13:03 |
techrights-sec | https://www.bts.gov/content/average-cost-owning-and-operating-automobilea-assuming-15000-vehicle-miles-year | Nov 16 13:03 |
techrights-sec | check the list of script sources :( | Nov 16 13:03 |
schestowitz-pi | the web IS gross | Nov 16 13:03 |
techrights-sec | That's a /government/ site doing that to people's computers | Nov 16 13:06 |
techrights-sec | Worse, Firefox / NoScript allowed quite a few of the scripts by default thhough | Nov 16 13:06 |
techrights-sec | not enough to actuall display data. The data is a f-ing table for f-sake. | Nov 16 13:06 |
techrights-sec | HTML has been able to handle tables since before HTML 2.1 | Nov 16 13:06 |
techrights-sec | There's a lot of extra work that went into tainting the site with an | Nov 16 13:06 |
techrights-sec | m$ web "app" instead of just clicking "Save As HTML" and copy-pastin | Nov 16 13:06 |
techrights-sec | from the result into the CMS | Nov 16 13:06 |
techrights-sec | https://www.nerdwallet.com/article/loans/auto-loans/total-cost-owning-car | Nov 16 13:06 |
schestowitz-pi | [sdarcasm] | Nov 16 13:06 |
schestowitz-pi | maybe the people who built the site spent 4 hours commuting | Nov 16 13:06 |
schestowitz-pi | [/] | Nov 16 13:06 |
techrights-sec | 4 hours commuting and another 4 hours injecting javascripts from M$ | Nov 16 13:06 |
techrights-sec | into the web page | Nov 16 13:06 |
schestowitz-pi | 'web' | Nov 16 13:08 |
schestowitz-pi | 'page' | Nov 16 13:08 |
schestowitz-pi | HTTP/S + shitty object | Nov 16 13:08 |
schestowitz-pi | like ooxml "xml" | Nov 16 13:08 |
schestowitz-pi | OLE | Nov 16 13:08 |
techrights-sec | Maybe OLE is their model. | Nov 16 13:08 |
schestowitz-pi | the lab-grown meat of Web sites.. | Nov 16 13:08 |
techrights-sec | OLE was all about preventing competition and ensuring lock-in | Nov 16 13:10 |
schestowitz-pi | <techrights-news> "The plaintiffs asserted that social control media platforms?like Facebook, Instagram, Snapchat, TikTok, YouTube and Google?are defective by design [...]" ? | Nov 16 13:25 |
schestowitz-pi | https://www.jurist.org/news/2023/11/california-federal-judge-rejects-social-media-platforms-effort-to-dismiss-lawsuit-alleging-harm-to-child-users/ | Nov 16 13:25 |
schestowitz-pi | DBD | Nov 16 13:25 |
schestowitz-pi | <techrights-news> Nepal bans Fentanylware (TikTok) nationwide β https://www.jurist.org/news/2023/11/nepal-bans-tiktok-nationwide/ good move. Fentanylware is NOT an instrument of free speech but Chinese WEAPONS AGAINST IT. | Nov 16 13:26 |
schestowitz-pi | we need more people to say that, so that it spreads as an argument | Nov 16 13:26 |
techrights-sec | Definitely. As mentioned, Facebook and Twitter were weaponized | Nov 16 13:43 |
techrights-sec | after the fact but Bytedance's Tiktok has been a weapon since | Nov 16 13:43 |
techrights-sec | its inception. | Nov 16 13:43 |
schestowitz-pi | yes, i remember twitter and identica in 2009 | Nov 16 13:43 |
schestowitz-pi | intervention-free | Nov 16 13:43 |
schestowitz-pi | no curation, manual or algo | Nov 16 13:44 |
techrights-sec | https://www.thedailybeast.com/tiktoks-viral-blackout-challenge-killed-at-least-20-kids-in-last-18-months | Nov 16 13:56 |
schestowitz-pi | they should have had spinach instead | Nov 16 13:57 |
techrights-sec | https://www.makeuseof.com/bad-dangerous-tiktok-challenges/ | Nov 16 13:57 |
techrights-sec | yes, rather than opium | Nov 16 13:57 |
techrights-sec | https://nypost.com/article/craziest-tiktok-challenges-so-far/ | Nov 16 13:57 |
schestowitz-pi | saw the lists | Nov 16 14:03 |
schestowitz-pi | worse than i thought | Nov 16 14:03 |
schestowitz-pi | and many who do this are adults | Nov 16 14:03 |
techrights-sec | I'm sure that's just a superficial sample and that the worst damage | Nov 16 14:30 |
techrights-sec | is from the countless contact hours lost each day to that skinnerbox | Nov 16 14:30 |
techrights-sec | Those are hours not spent interacting with people and learning culture | Nov 16 14:30 |
techrights-sec | and any number of other life skills. | Nov 16 14:30 |
techrights-sec | The smacking an egg on the head of a trusting child and then laughing at their | Nov 16 14:30 |
techrights-sec | discomfort is done not just any adult but by the kids' own parents. :( | Nov 16 14:30 |
schestowitz-pi | <techrights-news> "Others urge caution: wider accessibility of automatic firearms may lead to American-style mass shootings." ? | Nov 16 14:31 |
schestowitz-pi | https://www.lrt.lt/en/news-in-english/19/2125739/automatic-guns-in-lithuanians-hands-more-effective-defence-or-tragedy-waiting-to-happen | Nov 16 14:31 |
schestowitz-pi | then the stae justifies buying armoured vehicles and things to "outgun" the population | Nov 16 14:31 |
schestowitz-pi | and spies on everyone as potential mass shooter "waiitnt to happen" | Nov 16 14:31 |
schestowitz-pi | no, thanls! | Nov 16 14:31 |
techrights-sec | Rephrasing that a little, seeing the arms manufacturers rationalize | Nov 16 14:35 |
techrights-sec | selling armoured vehicles to civilians like law enforcement. | Nov 16 14:35 |
schestowitz-pi | https://yle.fi/a/74-20060467 | Nov 16 14:35 |
schestowitz-pi | police protects statues :-) | Nov 16 14:35 |
schestowitz-pi | slow news | Nov 16 16:00 |
schestowitz-pi | helping with housework | Nov 16 16:01 |
techrights-sec | sample CSS: | Nov 16 16:07 |
techrights-sec | http://10.11.9.40/n/2023/11/15/_FOSS_is_Not_a_Terminology_Strong_Enough_We_Need_Freedom_and_No.shtml | Nov 16 16:07 |
techrights-sec | to differentiate between the categories | Nov 16 16:07 |
schestowitz-pi | checking socks | Nov 16 16:07 |
schestowitz-pi | i see now | Nov 16 16:07 |
schestowitz-pi | wow, did you do this diagonal ribbon with css? | Nov 16 16:07 |
techrights-sec | yes it is css | Nov 16 16:07 |
techrights-sec | biab | Nov 16 16:07 |
schestowitz-pi | i see now | Nov 16 16:11 |
schestowitz-pi | wow, did you do this diagonal ribbon with css? | Nov 16 16:11 |
schestowitz-pi | i have just checked the bulletin-generating code | Nov 16 16:11 |
schestowitz-pi | can this be made h2? | Nov 16 16:11 |
techrights-sec | back, briefly | Nov 16 16:30 |
techrights-sec | h2? | Nov 16 16:30 |
schestowitz-pi | <h2>news</h2 | Nov 16 16:31 |
techrights-sec | Yes it can, but that is in the script | Nov 16 16:31 |
schestowitz-pi | i think that is in css and staging/test server | Nov 16 16:33 |
schestowitz-pi | i can instead tweak the bulletin code | Nov 16 16:33 |
techrights-sec | ok it is h2, but the font-size can be changed too | Nov 16 16:34 |
schestowitz-pi | i see the change now | Nov 16 16:39 |
schestowitz-pi | let me mess about with css at my end :-) | Nov 16 16:39 |
schestowitz-pi | text-shadow: 0 0 3px #888888; | Nov 16 16:39 |
schestowitz-pi | font-variant: small-caps; | Nov 16 16:39 |
schestowitz-pi | border: thin solid #aba; | Nov 16 16:39 |
schestowitz-pi | try adding those to div.cat > h2.cat { | Nov 16 16:39 |
techrights-sec | :) | Nov 16 16:42 |
techrights-sec | biab | Nov 16 16:42 |
techrights-sec | back, briefly | Nov 16 16:51 |
techrights-sec | modded | Nov 16 16:51 |
techrights-sec | adding small caps | Nov 16 16:51 |
schestowitz-pi | div.post p.author { | Nov 16 16:56 |
schestowitz-pi | margin-right:5em; | Nov 16 16:57 |
schestowitz-pi | i like the softer tones | Nov 16 16:57 |
techrights-sec | margin tweaked | Nov 16 16:57 |
schestowitz-pi | thanks, 15 is good, checked in 3 browsers., resized windows | Nov 16 16:57 |
techrights-sec | it all depends on the font size though | Nov 16 17:11 |
techrights-sec | ctrl-mousewheel == zoom | Nov 16 17:11 |
schestowitz-pi | i use alt+right mouse button in kde | Nov 16 17:12 |
techrights-news | β² πΏππ πΈπππππππ ⨦ (NEW): What makes a Linux distro light? β¨ http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2023/11/16/What_makes_a_Linux_distro_light.shtml | βΎ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2023/11/16/What_makes_a_Linux_distro_light.gmi β | Nov 16 18:11 |
techrights-news | β² πΏππ πΈπππππππ ⨦ (NEW): Canonical releases new low-touch, open-source cloud solution β¨ http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2023/11/14/Canonical_releases_new_low_touch_open_source_cloud_solution.shtml | βΎ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2023/11/14/Canonical_releases_new_low_touch_open_source_cloud_solution.gmi β | Nov 16 18:11 |
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techrights-news | β² πΏππ πΈπππππππ ⨦ (NEW): Release of Red Hat Enterprise Linux 9.3 β¨ http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2023/11/10/Release_of_Red_Hat_Enterprise_Linux_9_3.shtml | βΎ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2023/11/10/Release_of_Red_Hat_Enterprise_Linux_9_3.gmi β | Nov 16 18:12 |
techrights-news | Techrights β IBM and Phoronix Are Calling Mass Surveillance by Microsoft 'Security' β¨ http://news.techrights.org/n/2023/11/16/IBM_and_Phoronix_Are_Calling_Mass_Surveillance_by_Microsoft_Sec.shtml | βΎ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/n/2023/11/16/IBM_and_Phoronix_Are_Calling_Mass_Surveillance_by_Microsoft_Sec.gmi β | Nov 16 18:12 |
techrights-sec | 7ebf282..e44ffc3 in Git | Nov 16 18:14 |
techrights-sec | It all worked here, famous last words ... | Nov 16 18:14 |
schestowitz-pi | mkdir /home/gemini/tuxmachines.org: Permission denied at /usr/local/bin/tm-extract-posts-sql.pl line 745. | Nov 16 18:14 |
techrights-sec | It all worked here, famous last words ... | Nov 16 18:20 |
techrights-sec | checking ... that might be a directory permissions problem not a script | Nov 16 18:20 |
techrights-sec | ... checking | Nov 16 18:20 |
techrights-sec | not able to duplicate the error which user account? | Nov 16 18:20 |
schestowitz-pi | roy | Nov 16 18:20 |
techrights-sec | ok I see something | Nov 16 18:28 |
techrights-sec | hmm. a symlinked directory was missing from /home/gemini/ | Nov 16 18:28 |
techrights-sec | but another bug: the old path is somehow hardcoded into the perl script | Nov 16 18:28 |
techrights-sec | checking ... | Nov 16 18:28 |
schestowitz-pi | thanks | Nov 16 18:28 |
techrights-sec | np | Nov 16 18:28 |
techrights-sec | found it | Nov 16 18:28 |
schestowitz-pi | great | Nov 16 18:29 |
techrights-sec | I should use a configuration file for such settings, across the board | Nov 16 18:30 |
techrights-sec | that may be a good fix some time soon | Nov 16 18:30 |
techrights-sec | not this evening though | Nov 16 18:30 |
techrights-sec | uploading ... | Nov 16 18:30 |
schestowitz-pi | https://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2023/11/16/Kernel_Torvalds_Bootlin_CMRR_Variable_Refresh_Rate_Feature.shtml | Nov 16 18:30 |
schestowitz-pi | working again | Nov 16 18:30 |
schestowitz-pi | belatedly going to sleep | Nov 16 18:31 |
schestowitz-pi | config files with paths etc. commopn practice with s/w as it matures and gets deployed in many places | Nov 16 18:31 |
schestowitz-pi | so maturation | Nov 16 18:31 |
schestowitz-pi | gn | Nov 16 18:31 |
schestowitz-pi | (sorry for abrupt departure, VERY tired) | Nov 16 18:31 |
techrights-sec | np | Nov 16 18:31 |
techrights-sec | gn | Nov 16 18:31 |
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