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schestowitz-pigood mornMay 17 05:57
schestowitz-pislept wellMay 17 05:58
schestowitz-picatching upMay 17 05:58
schestowitz-piwon't be caught up till 9May 17 05:58
schestowitz-pino hurry with links May 17 05:58
techrights-newsTechrights — Welcome to the New Techrights ⇨ https://techrights.org/ | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/ ∎May 17 06:01
techrights-newsTechrights – IRC Proceedings: Friday, May 16, 2025 ⇨ https://techrights.org/n/2025/05/17/IRC_Proceedings_Friday_May_16_2025.shtml | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/n/2025/05/17/IRC_Proceedings_Friday_May_16_2025.gmi ∎May 17 06:01
techrights-newsTechrights – Over at Tux Machines... ⇨ https://techrights.org/n/2025/05/17/Over_at_Tux_Machines.shtml | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/n/2025/05/17/Over_at_Tux_Machines.gmi ∎May 17 06:01
techrights-news➲ 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⨦ (NEW):  Today in Techrights ⇨ https://tuxmachines.org/n/2025/05/17/Today_in_Techrights.shtml | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2025/05/17/Today_in_Techrights.gmi ∎May 17 06:02
techtrights-sec6gmMay 17 06:04
techtrights-sec6ok, still slogging through links atm, up to the indian sites, they areMay 17 06:04
techtrights-sec6always the most tedious to triageMay 17 06:04
techtrights-sec6the blogs are ok and entertaining if nothing elseMay 17 06:04
techtrights-sec6as mentioned many times the new writing style of prose rather than the newsMay 17 06:04
techtrights-sec6pyramid makes reading slowerMay 17 06:04
techrights-newsTechrights – ComEd and Microsoft: A Mess of Spaghetti Held Together By Circus Clowns ⇨ https://techrights.org/n/2025/05/17/ComEd_and_Microsoft_A_Mess_of_Spaghetti_Held_Together_By_Circus.shtml | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/n/2025/05/17/ComEd_and_Microsoft_A_Mess_of_Spaghetti_Held_Together_By_Circus.gmi ∎May 17 06:13
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techrights-newsTechrights – Gemini Links 17/05/2025: Happier on Gemini and Manipulating Reddit ⇨ https://techrights.org/n/2025/05/17/Gemini_Links_17_05_2025_Happier_on_Gemini_and_Manipulating_Redd.shtml | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/n/2025/05/17/Gemini_Links_17_05_2025_Happier_on_Gemini_and_Manipulating_Redd.gmi ∎May 17 06:31
techrights-news➲ 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⨦ (NEW):  Games: Team17 Humble Bundle, SWAPMEAT, and More ⇨ https://tuxmachines.org/n/2025/05/17/Games_Team17_Humble_Bundle_SWAPMEAT_and_More.shtml | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2025/05/17/Games_Team17_Humble_Bundle_SWAPMEAT_and_More.gmi ∎May 17 06:44
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techrights-news➲ 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⨦ (NEW):  Why Gaming with openSUSE Is A Good Move ⇨ https://tuxmachines.org/n/2025/05/17/Why_Gaming_with_openSUSE_Is_A_Good_Move.shtml | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2025/05/17/Why_Gaming_with_openSUSE_Is_A_Good_Move.gmi ∎May 17 07:29
techrights-news➲ 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⨦ (NEW):  Helwan O.S: Egypt’s All-Purpose Linux Distribution ⇨ https://tuxmachines.org/n/2025/05/17/Helwan_O_S_Egypt_s_All_Purpose_Linux_Distribution.shtml | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2025/05/17/Helwan_O_S_Egypt_s_All_Purpose_Linux_Distribution.gmi ∎May 17 07:34
techrights-news➲ 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⨦ (NEW):  In Memoriam: John L. Young, Cryptome Co-Founder ⇨ https://tuxmachines.org/n/2025/05/17/In_Memoriam_John_L_Young_Cryptome_Co_Founder.shtml | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2025/05/17/In_Memoriam_John_L_Young_Cryptome_Co_Founder.gmi ∎May 17 07:37
schestowitz-pihol;y crap! did WE piss off IBM!May 17 07:41
techrights-news➲ 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⨦ (NEW):  STARPro64 Brings 32GB LPDDR5 and 20 TOPS NPU to RISC-V SBC Platform ⇨ https://tuxmachines.org/n/2025/05/17/STARPro64_Brings_32GB_LPDDR5_and_20_TOPS_NPU_to_RISC_V_SBC_Plat.shtml | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2025/05/17/STARPro64_Brings_32GB_LPDDR5_and_20_TOPS_NPU_to_RISC_V_SBC_Plat.gmi ∎May 17 07:46
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techrights-news➲ 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⨦ (NEW):  VeraCrypt and Linux kernel encryption conflict ⇨ https://tuxmachines.org/n/2025/05/17/VeraCrypt_and_Linux_kernel_encryption_conflict.shtml | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2025/05/17/VeraCrypt_and_Linux_kernel_encryption_conflict.gmi ∎May 17 07:47
techrights-news➲ 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⨦ (NEW):  This Week in GNOME: #200 Two Hundred ⇨ https://tuxmachines.org/n/2025/05/17/This_Week_in_GNOME_200_Two_Hundred.shtml | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2025/05/17/This_Week_in_GNOME_200_Two_Hundred.gmi ∎May 17 07:51
techrights-news➲ 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⨦ (NEW):  Thibault Saunier: gst-dots-viewer: A New Tool for GStreamer Pipeline Visualization ⇨ https://tuxmachines.org/n/2025/05/17/Thibault_Saunier_gst_dots_viewer_A_New_Tool_for_GStreamer_Pipel.shtml | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2025/05/17/Thibault_Saunier_gst_dots_viewer_A_New_Tool_for_GStreamer_Pipel.gmi ∎May 17 07:52
techrights-news➲ 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⨦ (NEW):  GNOME: 2025-05-16 Foundation Report ⇨ https://tuxmachines.org/n/2025/05/17/GNOME_2025_05_16_Foundation_Report.shtml | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2025/05/17/GNOME_2025_05_16_Foundation_Report.gmi ∎May 17 08:01
schestowitz-piupdated (the update has a screenshot) http://techrights.org/n/2025/05/16/Trolls_With_LLM_Slop_Are_Disrupting_Communications_About_Mass_L.shtmlMay 17 08:03
techrights-news➲ 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⨦ (NEW):  This Week in Plasma: HDR calibration wizard ⇨ https://tuxmachines.org/n/2025/05/17/This_Week_in_Plasma_HDR_calibration_wizard.shtml | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2025/05/17/This_Week_in_Plasma_HDR_calibration_wizard.gmi ∎May 17 08:06
techrights-news➲ 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⨦ (NEW):  KDE Plasma 6.4 Beta Release ⇨ https://tuxmachines.org/n/2025/05/15/KDE_Plasma_6_4_Beta_Release.shtml | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2025/05/15/KDE_Plasma_6_4_Beta_Release.gmi ∎May 17 08:09
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techrights-news➲ 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⨦ (NEW):  OpenBSD – multi-platform BSD-based UNIX-like operating system ⇨ https://tuxmachines.org/n/2025/05/17/OpenBSD_multi_platform_BSD_based_UNIX_like_operating_system.shtml | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2025/05/17/OpenBSD_multi_platform_BSD_based_UNIX_like_operating_system.gmi ∎May 17 08:14
techtrights-sec6congrats!May 17 08:18
techtrights-sec6IBM is mad that their new-found, anti-FOSS ideology is losing them moneyMay 17 08:18
techtrights-sec6Again, it helps to remind the world that IBM used to know how to make moneyMay 17 08:18
techtrights-sec6and in their peak that was due to Linux investments.  I presume M$ molesMay 17 08:18
techtrights-sec6inside IBM are causing to hemorrhage money even in spite of having ownershipMay 17 08:18
techtrights-sec6of a gold egg laying goose like Red Hat.  May 17 08:18
techtrights-sec6M$ is only cheap if bankruptcy is the goal.  May 17 08:18
techtrights-sec6checkingMay 17 08:18
techtrights-sec6IBMs operatives ... probably via at least one level of misdirecction throughMay 17 08:18
techtrights-sec6outsourcing,  Each layer increases the plausible deniability.  May 17 08:18
techrights-news➲ 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⨦ (NEW):  Free and Open Source Software, howtos and Installations ⇨ https://tuxmachines.org/n/2025/05/17/Free_and_Open_Source_Software_howtos_and_Installations.shtml | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2025/05/17/Free_and_Open_Source_Software_howtos_and_Installations.gmi ∎May 17 08:19
techrights-news➲ 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⨦ (NEW):  elementary OS Preview Some Cool Upcoming Features ⇨ https://tuxmachines.org/n/2025/05/17/elementary_OS_Preview_Some_Cool_Upcoming_Features.shtml | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2025/05/17/elementary_OS_Preview_Some_Cool_Upcoming_Features.gmi ∎May 17 08:31
techrights-news➲ 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⨦ (NEW):  6 reasons why Linux is better than ever ⇨ https://tuxmachines.org/n/2025/05/17/6_reasons_why_Linux_is_better_than_ever.shtml | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2025/05/17/6_reasons_why_Linux_is_better_than_ever.gmi ∎May 17 08:33
techrights-news➲ 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⨦ (NEW):  Open Hardware/Modding: Raspberry Pi, Arduino, and SparkFun ⇨ https://tuxmachines.org/n/2025/05/17/Open_Hardware_Modding_Raspberry_Pi_Arduino_and_SparkFun.shtml | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2025/05/17/Open_Hardware_Modding_Raspberry_Pi_Arduino_and_SparkFun.gmi ∎May 17 08:33
techrights-news➲ 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⨦ (NEW):  5 Features Windows Should Steal From Linux Mint ⇨ https://tuxmachines.org/n/2025/05/17/5_Features_Windows_Should_Steal_From_Linux_Mint.shtml | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2025/05/17/5_Features_Windows_Should_Steal_From_Linux_Mint.gmi ∎May 17 08:36
techrights-news➲ 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⨦ (NEW):  Clonezilla Live 3.2.2 Released with Kernel 6.12 and Enhanced Ezio Options ⇨ https://tuxmachines.org/n/2025/05/17/Clonezilla_Live_3_2_2_Released_with_Kernel_6_12_and_Enhanced_Ez.shtml | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2025/05/17/Clonezilla_Live_3_2_2_Released_with_Kernel_6_12_and_Enhanced_Ez.gmi ∎May 17 08:41
schestowitz-pi"The U.S. Copyright Offices Draft Report on AI Training Errs on Fair Use"May 17 08:41
schestowitz-pix https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2025/05/us-copyright-offices-draft-report-ai-training-errs-fair-useMay 17 08:41
schestowitz-pi# EFF is losing the plot, again, after a brief return of promiseMay 17 08:41
schestowitz-piwith repsect, bsMay 17 08:41
schestowitz-pieff is bsMay 17 08:41
schestowitz-piand they won't fix itMay 17 08:41
schestowitz-pii will cover what eff did re slappMay 17 08:41
techtrights-sec6Well it did look very briefly like EFF was recovering but obviously I was wrongMay 17 08:45
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schestowitz-pirianen mentioned cindy cohn 2 hours agoMay 17 08:47
schestowitz-pii told herMay 17 08:47
schestowitz-piit as a mistake to put her inc hagreMay 17 08:47
schestowitz-picontext was:May 17 08:47
schestowitz-picontext was:May 17 08:47
schestowitz-pihttp://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2025/05/17/In_Memoriam_John_L_Young_Cryptome_Co_Founder.shtmlMay 17 08:47
schestowitz-piJohn Young is a great example of influential people keeping super-low profile. Wikipedia has https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cryptome but no article about its founder. Because being "in" Wikipedia is meaningless http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2025/05/17/In_Memoriam_John_L_Young_Cryptome_Co_Founder.shtml https://fsfellowship.news//fernanda-weiden-google-fsfe-wikimedia-vanity-pages/May 17 08:51
techrights-news➲ 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⨦ (NEW):  𝘛𝘶𝘹 𝘔𝘢𝘤𝘩𝘪𝘯𝘦𝘴: Google Android Leftovers ⇨ https://tuxmachines.org/n/2025/05/17/Android_Leftovers.shtml | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2025/05/17/Android_Leftovers.gmi ∎May 17 08:56
techrights-news➲ 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⨦ (NEW):  Proprietary Holes and Windows TCO ⇨ https://tuxmachines.org/n/2025/05/17/Proprietary_Holes_and_Windows_TCO.shtml | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2025/05/17/Proprietary_Holes_and_Windows_TCO.gmi ∎May 17 08:56
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techrights-newsTechrights – Links 17/05/2025: Stabber of Salman Rushdie Sentenced to 25 Years in Prison ⇨ https://techrights.org/n/2025/05/17/Links_17_05_2025_Stabber_of_Salman_Rushdie_Sentenced_to_25_Year.shtml | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/n/2025/05/17/Links_17_05_2025_Stabber_of_Salman_Rushdie_Sentenced_to_25_Year.gmi ∎May 17 10:12
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techrights-newsTechrights – AstroTurfing by IBM in thelayoff.com is Highly Risky (and Likely Outsourced) ⇨ https://techrights.org/n/2025/05/17/AstroTurfing_by_IBM_in_thelayoff_com_is_Highly_Risky_and_Likely.shtml | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/n/2025/05/17/AstroTurfing_by_IBM_in_thelayoff_com_is_Highly_Risky_and_Likely.gmi ∎May 17 10:40
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techrights-newsTechrights – Slopwatch: Microsoft's Anti-Linux Propaganda and Cover-up, Slopfarms Clogging Up Google News ⇨ https://techrights.org/n/2025/05/17/Slopwatch_Microsoft_s_Anti_Linux_Propaganda_and_Cover_up_Slopfa.shtml | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/n/2025/05/17/Slopwatch_Microsoft_s_Anti_Linux_Propaganda_and_Cover_up_Slopfa.gmi ∎May 17 11:10
techtrights-sec6"Why Bell Labs Worked"May 17 11:22
techtrights-sec6https://soylentnews.org/article.pl?sid=25/05/14/2259213May 17 11:22
techtrights-sec6                            May 17 11:22
techtrights-sec6"A US court just put ownership of CRISPR back in play"May 17 11:22
techtrights-sec6https://www.technologyreview.com/2025/05/13/1116344/a-us-court-just-put-ownership-of-crispr-back-in-play/May 17 11:22
techtrights-sec6^ does that affect the sw industry in any way?May 17 11:22
techtrights-sec6fwiw the article falsely claims that patents are "rights"May 17 11:22
techrights-news➲ 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⨦ (NEW):  Fedora / Red Hat / IBM Leftovers (Too Many Buzzwords Again) ⇨ https://tuxmachines.org/n/2025/05/17/Fedora_Red_Hat_IBM_Leftovers_Too_Many_Buzzwords_Again.shtml | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2025/05/17/Fedora_Red_Hat_IBM_Leftovers_Too_Many_Buzzwords_Again.gmi ∎May 17 11:23
schestowitz-pi<admfubar> https://prospect.org/politics/2025-05-15-trump-appointees-hijacking-patent-system/May 17 11:23
schestowitz-pi-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights- prospect.org | Trump Appointees Are Hijacking the Patent System - The American ProspectMay 17 11:23
techtrights-sec6No wonder it feels like a completed day.  I've been doing various tasksMay 17 11:27
techtrights-sec6on the computer 8 hours already.  R, Links, SQL, proof-reading and probablyMay 17 11:27
techtrights-sec6some other things as well May 17 11:27
schestowitz-pii started late todayMay 17 11:28
schestowitz-piwent to sleep 11pmMay 17 11:28
techtrights-sec6xxxx  want me to stay up late to watch Eurovision with her.  She likes it butMay 17 11:36
techtrights-sec6I find it more than dull.  I haven't ever watched more than a few minutes total.May 17 11:36
techtrights-sec6If it were a music contest it would be on the radio and not a TV spectacleMay 17 11:36
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techrights-newsTechrights – Inviting the Founder of GNU/Linux to Events (It Only Costs His Travel Expenses) and Recalling the True Origins ⇨ https://techrights.org/n/2025/05/17/Inviting_the_Founder_of_GNU_Linux_to_Events_It_Only_Costs_His_T.shtml | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/n/2025/05/17/Inviting_the_Founder_of_GNU_Linux_to_Events_It_Only_Costs_His_T.gmi ∎May 17 11:58
techtrights-sec6$ apt list 2>/dev/null --upgradable | sed -e 's|/.*||' | tr '\n' ' ' | fmt -w 78May 17 12:42
techtrights-sec6Listing... base-files bash busybox cpp-12 debian-archive-keyringMay 17 12:42
techtrights-sec6distro-info-data g++-12 gcc-12-base gcc-12 May 17 12:42
techtrights-sec6-daemonsMay 17 12:42
techtrights-sec6imagemagick-6-common imagemagick-6.q16 imagemagick initramfs-tools-coreMay 17 12:42
techtrights-sec6initramfs-tools krb5-locales libabsl20220623 libasan8 libatomic1May 17 12:42
techtrights-sec6libcap2-bin libcap2 libcc1-0 libgcc-12-dev libgcc-s1 libgccjit0May 17 12:42
techtrights-sec6libgfortran5 libglib2.0-0 libglib2.0-data libgomp1 libgssapi-krb5-2May 17 12:42
techtrights-sec6libimage-magick-perl libimage-magick-q16-perl libitm1 libk5crypto3May 17 12:42
techtrights-sec6libkrb5-3 libkrb5support0 liblsan0 libmagickcore-6.q16-6-extraMay 17 12:42
techtrights-sec6libmagickcore-6.q16-6 libmagickwand-6.q16-6 libpq5 libpython3.11-devMay 17 12:42
techtrights-sec6libpython3.11-minimal libpython3.11-stdlib libpython3.11 libquadmath0May 17 12:42
techtrights-sec6libssl3 libstdc++-12-dev libstdc++6 libtsan2 libubsan1 linux-image-amd64May 17 12:42
techtrights-sec6linux-libc-dev login openssh-client openssh-server openssh-sftp-serverMay 17 12:42
techtrights-sec6openssl passwd python3.11-dev python3.11-minimal python3.11-venv python3.11May 17 12:42
techtrights-sec6qemu-block-extra qemu-utils sshMay 17 12:42
techtrights-sec666 packages; reboot necessary;May 17 12:42
techtrights-sec6when is a good time to schedule that?May 17 12:42
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schestowitz-pijust finishged mumble and catching upMay 17 13:18
schestowitz-pimaybe sunday is a good time to rebootMay 17 13:18
schestowitz-pii am still catyching up with a lotMay 17 13:18
schestowitz-pidue to long sleepMay 17 13:18
techtrights-sec6ok maybe sunday morning then?May 17 13:43
schestowitz-piyes, before the marketMay 17 13:43
techtrights-sec6i'll do this RPi in a few minutesMay 17 13:46
techtrights-sec6we'll do the server tomorrow AM before your marketMay 17 13:46
techtrights-sec6maintenance rebootMay 17 13:46
techtrights-sec6I'll do this RPi in a few minutes.May 17 13:46
techtrights-sec6We'll do the server tomorrow AM before your market.May 17 13:46
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techrights-news➲ 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⨦ (NEW):  Wine 10.8 ⇨ https://tuxmachines.org/n/2025/05/17/Wine_10_8.shtml | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2025/05/17/Wine_10_8.gmi ∎May 17 14:13
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schestowitz-pioutline: clean all links, compartmentalise away timwaters May 17 14:18
schestowitz-pifootball cup final 4:30May 17 14:18
schestowitz-picurryMay 17 14:18
schestowitz-pimaybe sun breaksMay 17 14:18
schestowitz-pinot many aeticles planned, lacking tiemMay 17 14:18
techtrights-sec6https://www.visitnorway.com/typically-norwegian/norways-national-day/May 17 14:27
techtrights-sec6https://typo3.com/fileadmin/Blog_Content/2024/02/T3_DigitalSovereignty_Booklet_DMay 17 14:27
techtrights-sec6IN_A4_FA_WEB.pdfMay 17 14:27
techtrights-sec6?May 17 14:27
techtrights-sec6https://www.heise.de/en/news/Milestone-for-digital-sovereignty-20-years-of-the-OMay 17 14:27
techtrights-sec6pen-Document-Format-ODF-10370737.htmlMay 17 14:28
techtrights-sec6https://www.heise.de/en/news/Big-tech-dependency-Trump-as-a-booster-for-digital-May 17 14:28
techtrights-sec6sovereignty-in-the-EU-10294992.htmlMay 17 14:28
techtrights-sec6^ careful though, *no one* uses OOXML (among other things, it is very inomplete)May 17 14:28
techtrights-sec6also m$ tools make a point of deleting information from ODF filesMay 17 14:29
techtrights-sec6https://www.telekom.com/en/company/details/digital-sovereignty-easy-and-simple-1088922May 17 14:29
techtrights-sec6Heia NorgeMay 17 14:30
schestowitz-pi       <li><h5><a href="https://www.dw.com/en/mexico-beauty-influencer-shot-dead-while-live-on-tiktok/a-72547809"><span class="date">2025-05-15</span> [Older] Mexico: Beauty influencer shot dead while live on TikTok </a></h5></li>May 17 14:33
schestowitz-pi       <li><h5><a href="https://www.ibtimes.co.uk/tiktok-star-valeria-marquez-executed-live-camera-another-woman-lost-mexicos-femicide-crisis-1733837"><span class="date">2025-05-14</span> [Older] TikTok Star Valeria Marquez Executed Live on Camera — Another Woman Lost to Mexico's Femicide Crisis </a></h5></li>May 17 14:33
schestowitz-pi       <li><h5><a href="https://www.usnews.com/news/world/articles/2025-05-14/mexican-beauty-influencer-shot-to-death-during-tiktok-livestream"><span class="date">2025-05-14</span> [Older] Mexican Beauty Influencer Shot to Death During TikTok Livestream </a></h5></li>May 17 14:34
techtrights-sec6checkingMay 17 14:36
techtrights-sec6?May 17 14:36
techtrights-sec6I saw that the other dayMay 17 14:36
techtrights-sec6I could not think of a tech angle but maybe it fits into civil rightsMay 17 14:36
techtrights-sec6as part of a larger pattern of femicide.  But all kinds of people areMay 17 14:36
techtrights-sec6getting whacked by the cartels down there these days.  May 17 14:36
schestowitz-pirianne did not know the termMay 17 14:37
schestowitz-piunti, i did GNOME articlesMay 17 14:37
schestowitz-pihatred of women May 17 14:37
techtrights-sec6Turkey is big on femicide.  In Mexico it's just plain homicide, equal May 17 14:44
techtrights-sec6opportunity.  Lots of people end up in the cross fire or otherwiseMay 17 14:44
techtrights-sec6dragged into the mess.  'plomo o plata' etcMay 17 14:44
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schestowitz-piNantes' Mohamed opts out of Ligue 1 anti-homophobia campaign, cites personal beliefs ☞ https://www.france24.com/en/sport/20250516-nantes-mohamed-opts-out-of-ligue-1-anti-homophobia-campaign-cites-personal-beliefsMay 17 16:34
techtrights-sec6s/beliefs/politics/May 17 16:37
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schestowitz-pihttps://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/football/13523175/liverpool-non-alcoholic-champagne-salah-mane/May 17 16:44
schestowitz-pihttps://www.theguardian.com/football/2024/oct/20/mohammed-bin-salman-newcastle-united-takeover-saudi-arabia-footballMay 17 16:44
schestowitz-piwhen the 10% decides foir the 90%May 17 16:44
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techtrights-sec6:/May 17 16:59
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schestowitz-piCommission preliminarily finds TikTok's ad repository in breach of the Digital Services Act ☞ https://ec.europa.eu/commission/presscorner/detail/en/ip_25_1223May 17 17:30
schestowitz-piThe European Commission should punish tiktok by forcing them to build a very noisy and polluting spycentre in EU's north, at winter wonderlandMay 17 17:32
schestowitz-piAdvocacy group says major social control media platforms failing LGB users ☞ https://www.jurist.org/news/2025/05/lgbtq-advocacy-group-says-major-social-media-platforms-failing-lgbtq-users/May 17 17:33
techtrights-sec6KSAMay 17 17:45
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schestowitz-piKanye Gave Ex-Twitter an Exclusive Hit Single ☞ https://www.newyorker.com/culture/the-lede/kanye-gave-twitter-an-exclusive-hit-singleMay 17 17:47
schestowitz-pi'Free speech absolutism' = pro-nazi, censoring anti-nazi and critics of the owner https://techrights.org/n/2024/07/21/Meme_Hate_Speech.shtmlMay 17 17:49
techrights-news➲ 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⨦ (NEW):  Debian 12.11 “Bookworm” Released with 81 Bug Fixes and 45 Security Updates ⇨ https://tuxmachines.org/n/2025/05/17/Debian_12_11_Bookworm_Released_with_81_Bug_Fixes_and_45_Securit.shtml | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2025/05/17/Debian_12_11_Bookworm_Released_with_81_Bug_Fixes_and_45_Securit.gmi ∎May 17 17:52
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techtrights-sec6It's a way of turning public opinion against the phrase "free speech" angMay 17 17:58
techtrights-sec6generating hostility to the very idea.  Not all speech is protected.  May 17 17:58
techtrights-sec6Incitement to violence and threats of violence are examples of speech which isMay 17 17:58
techtrights-sec6not protecte, notably nazism and islam.  Yet people don't slap either downMay 17 17:58
techtrights-sec6and instead promote both, especially the latter.  May 17 17:58
schestowitz-pi" Sara Alsherif, Migrant Rights Programme Manager at Open Rights Group"May 17 18:11
schestowitz-piwhat about sex rights May 17 18:11
schestowitz-piand maybe ritual rights?May 17 18:11
schestowitz-pieff has its similaritiesMay 17 18:11
techtrights-sec6or even women's rights?  those are orthaganol to importation of islamMay 17 18:13
schestowitz-pi"youi have the riught o remain silent"May 17 18:13
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schestowitz-pi         "The 18-year-old allegedly used a kettle in his cell to heat water up and then poured boiling water over the officer on Thursday." https://www.lbc.co.uk/crime/southport-killer-axel-rudakubana-supervision-downgraded-attack-prison-officer/  May 17 18:59
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techrights-news➲ 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⨦ (NEW):  Videos and Shows: COSMIC Alpha 7, Many Invidious Picks, and TLLTS ⇨ https://tuxmachines.org/n/2025/05/17/Videos_and_Shows_COSMIC_Alpha_7_Many_Invidious_Picks_and_TLLTS.shtml | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2025/05/17/Videos_and_Shows_COSMIC_Alpha_7_Many_Invidious_Picks_and_TLLTS.gmi ∎May 17 19:06
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techtrights-sec6躺平May 17 19:40
techtrights-sec6The criminals are allowed to continue the practices which put them in jailMay 17 19:43
techtrights-sec6in the first place.  May 17 19:43
schestowitz-piThis serves to show to what extent 'Linux' Foundation and in particular OpenSSF has been coopted to promote back doors, proprietary software, and Microsoft  hMay 17 19:44
schestowitz-pihttps://openssf.org/podcast/2025/05/13/whats-in-the-soss-podcast-30-s2e07-scaling-security-inside-the-github-securing-open-source-software-fund/ May 17 19:44
schestowitz-pihttp://techrights.org/o/2020/10/30/openssf-microsoft/May 17 19:44
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techrights-news➲ 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⨦ (NEW):  Fedora / Rocky Linux / CentOS Leftovers ⇨ https://tuxmachines.org/n/2025/05/17/Fedora_Rocky_Linux_CentOS_Leftovers.shtml | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2025/05/17/Fedora_Rocky_Linux_CentOS_Leftovers.gmi ∎May 17 20:14
techrights-news➲ 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⨦ (NEW):  Open Hardware/Modding: Raspberry Pi, ZimaBoard, and More ⇨ https://tuxmachines.org/n/2025/05/17/Open_Hardware_Modding_Raspberry_Pi_ZimaBoard_and_More.shtml | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2025/05/17/Open_Hardware_Modding_Raspberry_Pi_ZimaBoard_and_More.gmi ∎May 17 20:14
techrights-news➲ 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⨦ (NEW):  Ubuntu 25.10 Plans and Rooming with Mark Shuttleworth ⇨ https://tuxmachines.org/n/2025/05/17/Ubuntu_25_10_Plans_and_Rooming_with_Mark_Shuttleworth.shtml | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2025/05/17/Ubuntu_25_10_Plans_and_Rooming_with_Mark_Shuttleworth.gmi ∎May 17 20:16
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techrights-news➲ 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⨦ (NEW):  Web Browsers Leftovers ⇨ https://tuxmachines.org/n/2025/05/17/Web_Browsers_Leftovers.shtml | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2025/05/17/Web_Browsers_Leftovers.gmi ∎May 17 20:34
techrights-news➲ 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⨦ (NEW):  Open Document Format (ODF) and More Explained by Document Foundation ⇨ https://tuxmachines.org/n/2025/05/17/Open_Document_Format_ODF_and_More_Explained_by_Document_Foundat.shtml | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2025/05/17/Open_Document_Format_ODF_and_More_Explained_by_Document_Foundat.gmi ∎May 17 20:36
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techrights-newsTechrights – Gemini Links 17/05/2025: Sympathy Algorithm and SSH on Alternative Ports ⇨ https://techrights.org/n/2025/05/17/Gemini_Links_17_05_2025_Sympathy_Algorithm_and_SSH_on_Alternati.shtml | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/n/2025/05/17/Gemini_Links_17_05_2025_Sympathy_Algorithm_and_SSH_on_Alternati.gmi ∎May 17 20:41
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techrights-newsTechrights – Links 17/05/2025: Microsoft Kills "Surface Laptop Studio" (More Canceled Products/Units), Groups Caution About Harms of Social Control Media ⇨ https://techrights.org/n/2025/05/17/Links_17_05_2025_Microsoft_Kills_Surface_Laptop_Studio_More_Can.shtml | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/n/2025/05/17/Links_17_05_2025_Microsoft_Kills_Surface_Laptop_Studio_More_Can.gmi ∎May 17 20:44
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