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| schestowitz-pi | hmmm | Nov 18 00:23 |
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| schestowitz-pi | i will look into it today | Nov 18 00:23 |
| schestowitz-pi | <darwin> when I tried to reconnect earlier it said SSL certificate expired | Nov 18 01:13 |
| schestowitz-pi | we are working on it. | Nov 18 01:15 |
| schestowitz-pi | <darwin> you can setup automatic renewal | Nov 18 01:19 |
| schestowitz-pi | easier said than done, on Alpine ^_^ | Nov 18 01:19 |
| schestowitz-pi | thanks for the headsup, i know it's not free to run a server | Nov 18 01:21 |
| techrights-news | They are losing money like crazy https://techcrunch.com/2023/11/17/sam-altman-is-out-as-openais-ceo/ | Nov 18 01:23 |
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| techrights-news | Techrights – [Video] Corporate/Mainstream Media Still Failing to Call Out Windows (and Microsoft) ⇨ http://news.techrights.org/n/2023/11/18/_Video_Corporate_Mainstream_Media_Still_Failing_to_Call_Out_Win.shtml | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/n/2023/11/18/_Video_Corporate_Mainstream_Media_Still_Failing_to_Call_Out_Win.gmi ∎ | Nov 18 01:54 |
| schestowitz-pi | <darwin> it's very easy on Slackware | Nov 18 02:37 |
| techrights-news | Techrights – The World Wide Web - and the Net as a Whole - Drowns in Bot Traffic, Partly Due to Computer-generated (CG) Hype - and Generating/Generative Harvesting Farms (Also: Sam Altman Just Ousted! The Microsoft Chatbot Bubble is Imploding, Just Wasting Power and Bandwidth!) ⇨ http://news.techrights.org/n/2023/11/18/The_World_Wide_Web_and_the_Net_as_a_Whole_Drowns_in_Bot_Traffic.shtml | Nov 18 02:47 |
| techrights-news | Techrights – [Video] Bill's and Satya Nadella’s Whitewashing Campaigns? ⇨ http://news.techrights.org/n/2023/11/18/_Video_Bill_s_and_Satya_Nadella_s_Whitewashing_Campaigns.shtml | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/n/2023/11/18/_Video_Bill_s_and_Satya_Nadella_s_Whitewashing_Campaigns.gmi ∎ | Nov 18 02:47 |
| techrights-news | Techrights – IRC Proceedings: Friday, November 17, 2023 ⇨ http://news.techrights.org/n/2023/11/18/irc-log-171123.shtml | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/n/2023/11/18/irc-log-171123.gmi ∎ | Nov 18 03:17 |
| techrights-news | Techrights – [Video] "Washington's Worsening Debt Problem" Includes Microsoft's Massive Corporate Debt (Over 105 Billion in Debt) ⇨ http://news.techrights.org/n/2023/11/18/_Video_Washington_s_Worsening_Debt_Problem_Includes_Microsoft_s.shtml | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/n/2023/11/18/_Video_Washington_s_Worsening_Debt_Problem_Includes_Microsoft_s.gmi ∎ | Nov 18 03:18 |
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| schestowitz-pi | https://community.letsencrypt.org/t/valid-tls-certificates-for-ergo-irc/156876/3 | Nov 18 04:02 |
| schestowitz-pi | they suggest nginx, seems like overkill as someone says | Nov 18 04:02 |
| schestowitz-pi | i wonder if we should just move ergo to debian on the existing host | Nov 18 04:04 |
| schestowitz-pi | to save money too | Nov 18 04:04 |
| schestowitz-pi | it already has certbot | Nov 18 04:04 |
| techrights-news | Techrights – Over at Tux Machines... ⇨ http://news.techrights.org/n/2023/11/18/Over_at_Tux_Machines.shtml | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/n/2023/11/18/Over_at_Tux_Machines.gmi ∎ | Nov 18 04:36 |
| techrights-sec | so when would be a good time to move irc over to the the existing system? | Nov 18 04:36 |
| techrights-sec | should the host name irc.techrights.org be using a different cert or | Nov 18 04:36 |
| techrights-sec | be added to the list on the existig one? | Nov 18 04:36 |
| techrights-sec | The existing server has lots of surplus capacity. | Nov 18 04:36 |
| techrights-sec | nginx is not needed as there is already Apache2 | Nov 18 04:36 |
| schestowitz-pi | gm | Nov 18 04:39 |
| schestowitz-pi | i am no expert at golang, ergo, or alpine | Nov 18 04:40 |
| schestowitz-pi | but afaik, by merely grafting the whole /home/ircd stuff onto a new /home/ircd on debian | Nov 18 04:40 |
| schestowitz-pi | we can have that working on the existing system | Nov 18 04:40 |
| schestowitz-pi | assuming it has go, and that's the easy part | Nov 18 04:40 |
| schestowitz-pi | the configs would look for the cert/key in the same location | Nov 18 04:40 |
| schestowitz-pi | we can later change DNS | Nov 18 04:40 |
| schestowitz-pi | can test with another temorary subdomain before switching over | Nov 18 04:40 |
| schestowitz-pi | upside is, backups also become more overencompassing | Nov 18 04:40 |
| schestowitz-pi | i did not have a good backup regimen for irc | Nov 18 04:40 |
| techrights-sec | The cert for irc can only be acquired once irc.techrights.org | Nov 18 04:51 |
| techrights-sec | points at the other machine. | Nov 18 04:51 |
| techrights-sec | I'm really reluctant to try to learn Golang on a production machine though. | Nov 18 04:51 |
| schestowitz-pi | 1) that's ok, we can add the cert after testing a connection without tls, as the cert is expired for 2 days already and it's still rolling along (mostly) | Nov 18 04:54 |
| schestowitz-pi | 2) no need to learn go | Nov 18 04:54 |
| schestowitz-pi | 26 ssh ircd@irc.techrights.org | Nov 18 04:54 |
| schestowitz-pi | 27 apk add go | Nov 18 04:54 |
| schestowitz-pi | 28 apk add golang | Nov 18 04:54 |
| schestowitz-pi | 29 apk add ergoirc | Nov 18 04:54 |
| schestowitz-pi | 30 apk add ergo | Nov 18 04:54 |
| schestowitz-pi | 31 apk update | Nov 18 04:54 |
| schestowitz-pi | 33 apk add nano | Nov 18 04:54 |
| schestowitz-pi | turned out, ergo just needs the files in place | Nov 18 04:54 |
| schestowitz-pi | then | Nov 18 04:54 |
| schestowitz-pi | irc:~/ergo$ /home/ircd/go/bin/ergo run --conf /home/ircd//ergo/ircd.yaml & | Nov 18 04:54 |
| techrights-sec | checking | Nov 18 04:56 |
| schestowitz-pi | if the same cerf can be used for irc and site | Nov 18 04:57 |
| schestowitz-pi | i think we can then even use techrights.org for irc | Nov 18 04:57 |
| schestowitz-pi | alongside irc.techrights.org | Nov 18 04:57 |
| schestowitz-pi | same ip, after all... | Nov 18 04:57 |
| techrights-sec | Best to have a separate host name for a separate service and | Nov 18 04:57 |
| techrights-sec | retain irc.techrights.org for the IRC service even if it is on the same | Nov 18 04:57 |
| techrights-sec | host as the other services | Nov 18 04:57 |
| schestowitz-pi | yes, i know | Nov 18 04:58 |
| schestowitz-pi | but if someone entered it incorrectly, it might still work | Nov 18 04:58 |
| schestowitz-pi | home.techrights.org is still serving as gemini proxy (http/s) | Nov 18 04:58 |
| techrights-sec | Is this repository the right one: https://github.com/ergochat/ergo for sure? | Nov 18 04:58 |
| techrights-sec | ^ ? | Nov 18 04:58 |
| schestowitz-pi | <schestowitz> thanks for the headsup, i know it's not free to run a server | Nov 18 05:00 |
| schestowitz-pi | <jrmu> sure thing, thanks schestowitz | Nov 18 05:00 |
| schestowitz-pi | <jrmu> if you have any questions re the server as well, just ping me. We have a series of guides for openbsd at https://wiki.ircnow.org/?n=Minutemin.Bootcamp | Nov 18 05:00 |
| schestowitz-pi | <jrmu> there are some linux guides in https://wiki.ircnow.org/?n=Almanack.Almanack but the majority of them are openbsd-centric | Nov 18 05:00 |
| schestowitz-pi | probably, if debian does not have it in repos | Nov 18 05:01 |
| schestowitz-pi | kaniini just grab a container image of it for alpine, iirc | Nov 18 05:01 |
| techrights-sec | Debian does not have it in its repository. | Nov 18 05:15 |
| techrights-sec | OpenBSD is comfortable but Debian has diverged far recently from their common | Nov 18 05:15 |
| techrights-sec | ancestors. | Nov 18 05:15 |
| techrights-sec | Is /home/ircd/ergo/ircd.yaml the right configuration file to pull over? | Nov 18 05:15 |
| techrights-sec | thanks | Nov 18 05:15 |
| schestowitz-pi | yes | Nov 18 05:16 |
| schestowitz-pi | biab, resting | Nov 18 05:16 |
| techrights-sec | If you can find /working/ instructions for Go and using it to build | Nov 18 07:24 |
| techrights-sec | from a cloned M$ GitHub repository, then we can add Ergo to Debian here. | Nov 18 07:24 |
| techrights-sec | $ go version | Nov 18 07:24 |
| techrights-sec | go version go1.19.8 linux/amd64 | Nov 18 07:24 |
| techrights-sec | go is present, but *no* instructions for building Ergo can be found. | Nov 18 07:24 |
| techrights-sec | There is a Makefile but it does not function | Nov 18 07:24 |
| techrights-sec | $ go install github.com/ergochat/ergo@latest | Nov 18 07:25 |
| techrights-sec | ... | Nov 18 07:25 |
| techrights-sec | github.com/goshuirc/irc-go/ircfmt: github.com/goshuirc/irc-go@v0.4.0: parsing go.mod: | Nov 18 07:25 |
| techrights-sec | module declares its path as: github.com/ergochat/irc-go | Nov 18 07:25 |
| techrights-sec | but was required as: github.com/goshuirc/irc-go | Nov 18 07:25 |
| techrights-sec | There's an unsigned binary available there instead :( | Nov 18 07:25 |
| schestowitz-pi | back | Nov 18 07:26 |
| schestowitz-pi | afraik you just need to copy the files | Nov 18 07:26 |
| schestowitz-pi | no need to build it, go will run the binary | Nov 18 07:26 |
| techrights-sec | Ok, then the TTL in DNS for irc.techrights.org should be made very short today | Nov 18 07:34 |
| techrights-sec | in preparation for the move. | Nov 18 07:34 |
| schestowitz-pi | we can first test with a new subdomain to see one can log in from here, even without any certs set up | Nov 18 07:36 |
| schestowitz-pi | when dns changes there may be a "netsplit" | Nov 18 07:36 |
| schestowitz-pi | as some are connected to another server, still | Nov 18 07:36 |
| schestowitz-pi | unless we force shutdown in the older one, forcing reconnection | Nov 18 07:36 |
| schestowitz-pi | and dns lookup | Nov 18 07:36 |
| techrights-sec | ok | Nov 18 07:43 |
| techrights-sec | ok give it a try @techrights.org | Nov 18 07:43 |
| schestowitz-pi | trying | Nov 18 07:46 |
| schestowitz-pi | * Looking up techrights.org | Nov 18 07:46 |
| schestowitz-pi | * Connecting to techrights.org (94.76.207.113) port 6667... | Nov 18 07:46 |
| schestowitz-pi | * Connection failed. Error: Connection refused | Nov 18 07:46 |
| schestowitz-pi | is the ircd daemon running? | Nov 18 07:46 |
| schestowitz-pi | 5587 1 ircd S 700m 35% 0 0% /home/ircd/go/bin/ergo run --conf /home/ircd//ergo/ircd.yaml | Nov 18 07:46 |
| schestowitz-pi | on the freebsd host | Nov 18 07:46 |
| techrights-sec | make sure the ttl is set to a short time please | Nov 18 07:51 |
| techrights-sec | checking ircd on techrights.org ... | Nov 18 07:51 |
| techrights-sec | quits silently with exit code 2 | Nov 18 07:51 |
| techrights-sec | there is *no* option for verbose output | Nov 18 07:51 |
| schestowitz-pi | on the dns ui i lack control over ttl afaik | Nov 18 07:51 |
| schestowitz-pi | checking | Nov 18 07:51 |
| techrights-sec | please check though, it would save a lot of stress for users | Nov 18 07:53 |
| schestowitz-pi | oh, i can change ttl | Nov 18 07:54 |
| schestowitz-pi | should i change that for irc. right now? | Nov 18 07:54 |
| schestowitz-pi | i am now ** connected to irc on the debian box | Nov 18 07:59 |
| schestowitz-pi | well done! | Nov 18 07:59 |
| schestowitz-pi | you now have the ability to deploy irc upon demand | Nov 18 07:59 |
| schestowitz-pi | in the early 90s i used to admire people who did this | Nov 18 07:59 |
| schestowitz-pi | irc.techrights.org. 60 ttl | Nov 18 07:59 |
| schestowitz-pi | ok | Nov 18 07:59 |
| techrights-sec | yes make it a minute or so, and then let it sit for the duration | Nov 18 07:59 |
| techrights-sec | of the old ttl so that the changes have time to propagate | Nov 18 07:59 |
| techrights-sec | I see you are now in the 'new' server | Nov 18 07:59 |
| techrights-sec | It looks like you are | Nov 18 07:59 |
| techrights-sec | Oh, maybe there are files to carry over ... | Nov 18 07:59 |
| techrights-sec | thanks | Nov 18 07:59 |
| techrights-sec | can you retry connecting? I've carried over the ircd.db file | Nov 18 07:59 |
| techrights-sec | not quite, it does not have TLS yet | Nov 18 08:01 |
| techrights-sec | that'll have to wait for the changeover | Nov 18 08:01 |
| schestowitz-pi | * MOTD File is missing | Nov 18 08:02 |
| schestowitz-pi | there are some files there in the homedir | Nov 18 08:02 |
| schestowitz-pi | most may need copying across | Nov 18 08:02 |
| schestowitz-pi | old tls was 3600 iirc | Nov 18 08:02 |
| schestowitz-pi | ttl | Nov 18 08:02 |
| schestowitz-pi | * MOTD File is missingyou now have the ability to deploy irc upon demand | Nov 18 08:03 |
| techrights-sec | what was the old ttl? | Nov 18 08:08 |
| techrights-sec | checking | Nov 18 08:08 |
| techrights-sec | 14400 | Nov 18 08:08 |
| techrights-sec | ok we have to wait 3600 seconds at least | Nov 18 08:08 |
| techrights-sec | restarting the 'new' irc server in sec | Nov 18 08:08 |
| techrights-sec | please retry connecting there were several db files on the old server | Nov 18 08:09 |
| techrights-sec | is MOTD there? | Nov 18 08:09 |
| schestowitz-pi | i amk connected | Nov 18 08:09 |
| schestowitz-pi | * 0 :IRC Operators online | Nov 18 08:09 |
| schestowitz-pi | * 0 :unregistered connections | Nov 18 08:09 |
| schestowitz-pi | * 11 :channels formed | Nov 18 08:09 |
| schestowitz-pi | * I have 1 clients and 0 servers | Nov 18 08:09 |
| schestowitz-pi | * 1 1 :Current local users 1, max 1 | Nov 18 08:09 |
| schestowitz-pi | * 1 1 :Current global users 1, max 1 | Nov 18 08:09 |
| schestowitz-pi | * MOTD File is missing | Nov 18 08:09 |
| techrights-sec | No idea where MOTD is stored. The latest db file has been ported over | Nov 18 08:13 |
| techrights-sec | if that does not contain it, maybe it is in the YAML file? | Nov 18 08:13 |
| schestowitz-pi | it is an external file | Nov 18 08:17 |
| schestowitz-pi | checking | Nov 18 08:17 |
| schestowitz-pi | ergo.motd | Nov 18 08:17 |
| schestowitz-pi | now it works \0/ | Nov 18 08:17 |
| techrights-sec | It is mentioned in the YAML file. | Nov 18 08:18 |
| techrights-sec | Yes found it parallel | Nov 18 08:18 |
| techrights-sec | it's copied over now, please recheck | Nov 18 08:18 |
| techrights-sec | Yes but not TLS is in place yet | Nov 18 08:18 |
| techrights-sec | can you check 'dig irc.techrights.org' to see the TTL if it is the new or the old? | Nov 18 08:18 |
| schestowitz-pi | 60 | Nov 18 08:21 |
| schestowitz-pi | <techrights-news> Maybe because the state pays them so little??? ? https://yle.fi/a/74-20060557 "Many of Finland's retirees remain keen to work even after they start claiming their pensions, a | Nov 18 08:21 |
| schestowitz-pi | ccording to a new survey." | Nov 18 08:21 |
| schestowitz-pi | ^ no need to reply, just seen this, familiar with this psyche | Nov 18 08:21 |
| schestowitz-pi | my parents are both 67 now | Nov 18 08:21 |
| techrights-sec | later in the afternoon we can try the changeover | Nov 18 08:30 |
| techrights-sec | 1) stop old ircd, 2) change dns, 3) run certbot, 4) restart new ircd | Nov 18 08:30 |
| techrights-sec | 5) set ttl back to 3600 or 14400 | Nov 18 08:30 |
| techrights-sec | I like couscous but xxxx hated it so we don't get to eat it ever around here | Nov 18 08:30 |
| schestowitz-pi | 5) change back ttl? | Nov 18 08:30 |
| schestowitz-pi | (eating couscous troday)... typing) | Nov 18 08:30 |
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| techrights-sec | 08:33:22 DaemonFC; They can just sit there and grow � | Nov 18 10:03 |
| techrights-sec | fat and talk about Islam and Nazism all day on the � | Nov 18 10:03 |
| techrights-sec | taxpayer dime. � | Nov 18 10:03 |
| techrights-sec | 08:33:32 DaemonFC; So if they're ever let out, you do � | Nov 18 10:03 |
| techrights-sec | have a bigger monster. | Nov 18 10:03 |
| techrights-sec | back in an hour or two | Nov 18 10:45 |
| schestowitz-pi | oh, shit, i think irc turned 35 just now | Nov 18 10:45 |
| schestowitz-pi | let me check dates | Nov 18 10:45 |
| schestowitz-pi | we need to remind people of how well it endured over time | Nov 18 10:45 |
| schestowitz-pi | iirc, it started in southern fi | Nov 18 10:45 |
| schestowitz-pi | August 1988; 35 years ago | Nov 18 10:46 |
| schestowitz-pi | doing blog post | Nov 18 10:46 |
| techrights-news | Techrights – Internet Relay Chat (IRC) Turns 35 ⇨ http://news.techrights.org/n/2023/11/18/Internet_Relay_Chat_IRC_Turns_35.shtml | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/n/2023/11/18/Internet_Relay_Chat_IRC_Turns_35.gmi ∎ | Nov 18 11:02 |
| techrights-news | ➲ 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⨦ (NEW): Use GDM Settings to Customise Ubuntu’s Login Screen ⇨ http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2023/11/18/Use_GDM_Settings_to_Customise_Ubuntu_s_Login_Screen.shtml | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2023/11/18/Use_GDM_Settings_to_Customise_Ubuntu_s_Login_Screen.gmi ∎ | Nov 18 11:03 |
| techrights-news | ➲ 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⨦ (NEW): This week in KDE: Panel Intellihide and Wayland Presentation Time ⇨ http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2023/11/18/This_week_in_KDE_Panel_Intellihide_and_Wayland_Presentation_Tim.shtml | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2023/11/18/This_week_in_KDE_Panel_Intellihide_and_Wayland_Presentation_Tim.gmi ∎ | Nov 18 11:03 |
| techrights-news | ➲ 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⨦ (UPDATE): Review: System76 Lemur Pro Laptop ⇨ http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2023/11/09/Review_System76_Lemur_Pro_Laptop.shtml | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2023/11/09/Review_System76_Lemur_Pro_Laptop.gmi ∎ | Nov 18 11:03 |
| techrights-news | ➲ 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⨦ (NEW): Games: Raspberry Pi 4, ‘Video Game Addiction’, and the Latest Dozen From Liam Dawe ⇨ http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2023/11/18/Games_Raspberry_Pi_4_Video_Game_Addiction_and_the_Latest_Dozen_.shtml | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2023/11/18/Games_Raspberry_Pi_4_Video_Game_Addiction_and_the_Latest_Dozen_.gmi ∎ | Nov 18 11:12 |
| techrights-news | ➲ 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⨦ (NEW): Today's 𝘛𝘶𝘹 𝘔𝘢𝘤𝘩𝘪𝘯𝘦𝘴 HowTos ⇨ http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2023/11/18/today_s_howtos.2.shtml | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2023/11/18/today_s_howtos.2.gmi ∎ | Nov 18 11:57 |
| techrights-news | ➲ 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⨦ (NEW): 𝘛𝘶𝘹 𝘔𝘢𝘤𝘩𝘪𝘯𝘦𝘴: Google Android Leftovers ⇨ http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2023/11/18/Android_Leftovers.shtml | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2023/11/18/Android_Leftovers.gmi ∎ | Nov 18 11:58 |
| schestowitz-pi | we never found out why 1 in about 40 requests from either gemini capsule results in immediate failure | Nov 18 13:11 |
| schestowitz-pi | and then works upon refresh | Nov 18 13:11 |
| schestowitz-pi | it's rather mysterious, not even sure how to troubleshoot it | Nov 18 13:11 |
| techrights-news | ➲ 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⨦ (NEW): Raspberry Pi and Arduino News ⇨ http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2023/11/18/Raspberry_Pi_and_Arduino_News.shtml | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2023/11/18/Raspberry_Pi_and_Arduino_News.gmi ∎ | Nov 18 13:36 |
| techrights-news | ➲ 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⨦ (NEW): Today's 𝘛𝘶𝘹 𝘔𝘢𝘤𝘩𝘪𝘯𝘦𝘴 Leftovers ⇨ http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2023/11/18/today_s_leftovers.1.shtml | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2023/11/18/today_s_leftovers.1.gmi ∎ | Nov 18 13:36 |
| techrights-news | ➲ 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⨦ (NEW): Microsoft: OpenAI’s Chaos and Windows TCO ⇨ http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2023/11/18/Microsoft_OpenAI_s_Chaos_and_Windows_TCO.shtml | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2023/11/18/Microsoft_OpenAI_s_Chaos_and_Windows_TCO.gmi ∎ | Nov 18 13:36 |
| techrights-news | Techrights – Links 18/11/2023: OpenAI’s Management in Disarray and Twitter (X) in More Trouble ⇨ http://news.techrights.org/n/2023/11/18/Links_18_11_2023_OpenAI_s_Management_in_Disarray_and_Twitter_X_.shtml | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/n/2023/11/18/Links_18_11_2023_OpenAI_s_Management_in_Disarray_and_Twitter_X_.gmi ∎ | Nov 18 13:39 |
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| schestowitz-pi | back | Nov 18 14:45 |
| schestowitz-pi | for transparency: | Nov 18 14:45 |
| techrights-sec | back | Nov 18 14:45 |
| techrights-sec | when should we try moving IRC? I'll be out in the latter part of the day | Nov 18 14:45 |
| techrights-sec | tomorrow | Nov 18 14:45 |
| techrights-sec | ok can you give a heads up? at which time should I turn off the old IRC? | Nov 18 14:45 |
| techrights-sec | at the top of the hour? | Nov 18 14:45 |
| schestowitz-pi | we can try now | Nov 18 14:45 |
| schestowitz-pi | when it is relatively idle | Nov 18 14:45 |
| schestowitz-pi | ok, chaange dns now? | Nov 18 14:46 |
| schestowitz-pi | done | Nov 18 14:46 |
| techrights-sec | yes please | Nov 18 14:46 |
| techrights-sec | it may take a few minutes to get the certs and apply the right file permissions | Nov 18 14:46 |
| techrights-sec | thanks | Nov 18 14:46 |
| techrights-sec | I see the TTL is set to 3600 so it will take 5 minutes at least before the changes can be set in motion | Nov 18 14:46 |
| techrights-sec | # dig 38.87.162.158 | grep -A 1 AUTH | Nov 18 14:46 |
| techrights-sec | ;; flags: qr rd ra ad; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 0, AUTHORITY: 1, ADDITIONAL: 1 | Nov 18 14:46 |
| techrights-sec | -- | Nov 18 14:46 |
| techrights-sec | ;; AUTHORITY SECTION: | Nov 18 14:46 |
| techrights-sec | . 3527 IN SOA a.root-servers.net. nstld.verisign-grs.com. 2023111800 1800 900 604800 86400 | Nov 18 14:46 |
| schestowitz-pi | ttl says 60 at my end, but not for techrights.org, just irc. | Nov 18 14:46 |
| schestowitz-pi | * Connection failed. Error: Connection refused (probably as expected assume you work on it) | Nov 18 14:46 |
| schestowitz-pi | irc.techrights.org. 60 A | Nov 18 14:46 |
| schestowitz-pi | 94.76.207.113 | Nov 18 14:46 |
| techrights-sec | Nov 18 14:46 | |
| techrights-sec | Yes working / waiting out the time out | Nov 18 14:46 |
| techrights-sec | Oops, yes it is 60 for ttl herem was looking at the wrong domain. | Nov 18 14:46 |
| techrights-sec | certs acquired trying to figure out how to deal with their existing | Nov 18 14:46 |
| techrights-sec | symlinks and permissions | Nov 18 14:46 |
| schestowitz-pi | that's great news! i guess it's down to finding a right combination traversing up to / | Nov 18 14:46 |
| schestowitz-pi | it's on :-) | Nov 18 14:46 |
| techrights-sec | ok one hiccup and it should be one for a while now. | Nov 18 14:47 |
| techrights-sec | i've not made a unit file for ergo, it will need to be run manually like before | Nov 18 14:47 |
| techrights-sec | If it's working then the TTL can be restored to the old number | Nov 18 14:47 |
| techrights-sec | 14400 or whatever | Nov 18 14:47 |
| techrights-sec | I wonder if ergo does privilege separation at all | Nov 18 14:47 |
| techrights-sec | np¹ | Nov 18 14:47 |
| techrights-sec | ¹ np except for trying to build ergo yesterday | Nov 18 14:47 |
| techrights-sec | thanks to jmru for the fine hosting over the emergency period | Nov 18 14:47 |
| schestowitz-pi | thanks, chasing many resultant tasks, changed to 14400 just now | Nov 18 14:47 |
| schestowitz-pi | he gave more than just hosting; valuable info | Nov 18 14:47 |
| schestowitz-pi | there was a bit of a conspiracy against us | Nov 18 14:47 |
| schestowitz-pi | we will cover that next year | Nov 18 14:48 |
| techrights-sec | excellent | Nov 18 14:49 |
| techrights-sec | I figured there was some conspiracy / collusion, as is usually the case | Nov 18 14:49 |
| techrights-sec | when dealing with microsofters and munchkins | Nov 18 14:49 |
| techrights-sec | I should put up an empty vhost placeholder for irc.techrights.org | Nov 18 14:49 |
| techrights-sec | for certbot to find it on ports 80 and 443. | Nov 18 14:49 |
| techrights-sec | Added | Nov 18 14:49 |
| techrights-sec | When the cert is updated in 90 days, the permissions may need re-doing | Nov 18 14:49 |
| techrights-sec | If that becomes the case then we'll have to add an ACL for the one | Nov 18 14:49 |
| techrights-sec | certificate directory to inflict the right group+permissions by default | Nov 18 14:49 |
| techrights-sec | logged out of old irc.techrights.org now. it can be spun down now as far as I | Nov 18 14:49 |
| techrights-sec | know, if IRC is working ok for now. | Nov 18 14:49 |
| schestowitz-pi | the hv is on rehardless | Nov 18 14:50 |
| schestowitz-pi | and under capacity | Nov 18 14:50 |
| schestowitz-pi | keep as backup for now, temporarily? | Nov 18 14:50 |
| techrights-sec | not needed afaik | Nov 18 14:59 |
| techrights-sec | The channel is quiet, according to gemini.techrights.org/chat/ | Nov 18 14:59 |
| schestowitz-pi | i will speak to j before doing that | Nov 18 14:59 |
| techrights-sec | no hurry, just it'd be good to tidy up eventually | Nov 18 15:00 |
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| schestowitz-pi | i think /home on alpine would be worth rsync -r just in case | Nov 18 15:01 |
| schestowitz-pi | to some offsite drive | Nov 18 15:01 |
| techrights-sec | I have nothing there, I figure my part with that system is done. | Nov 18 15:05 |
| techrights-sec | I won't make a backup since that'd just be in the way over here. | Nov 18 15:05 |
| techrights-sec | I will add ~ircd on the new system to my backup scheme here though | Nov 18 15:05 |
| schestowitz-pi | good, i will make a copy later, just as a safety net of sorts | Nov 18 15:05 |
| schestowitz-pi | this weekend i have some extensive backups planned | Nov 18 15:05 |
| schestowitz-pi | having pulled out some old drives and got them spinning again | Nov 18 15:05 |
| schestowitz-pi | there is some 1990s stuff in there, too | Nov 18 15:05 |
| schestowitz-pi | anyway, great job and thanks so much, this is the first time ever we have | Nov 18 15:08 |
| schestowitz-pi | 1) everything on one os. (easier patching, backups, migration) | Nov 18 15:08 |
| schestowitz-pi | 2) no outsourcing to freenode or my university pc (yes, i hosted OOXML leaks on it | Nov 18 15:08 |
| schestowitz-pi | till they made threats against me) | Nov 18 15:08 |
| techrights-sec | np | Nov 18 15:12 |
| schestowitz-pi | https://netsplit.de/networks/status.php?net=techrights | Nov 18 15:13 |
| schestowitz-pi | https://netsplit.de/ | Nov 18 15:13 |
| schestowitz-pi | graph shows decline, but many "users" were just bridged across from matrix | Nov 18 15:13 |
| schestowitz-pi | https://netsplit.de/networks/ | Nov 18 15:13 |
| techrights-sec | Is that good? I'm not sure how to read the page | Nov 18 15:13 |
| schestowitz-pi | it is good that we leveraged irc as comm toll | Nov 18 15:14 |
| schestowitz-pi | *tool | Nov 18 15:14 |
| schestowitz-pi | libera is not doing well: | Nov 18 15:14 |
| schestowitz-pi | https://netsplit.de/networks/statistics.php?net=Libera.Chat | Nov 18 15:14 |
| schestowitz-pi | 'open'hey hi has trouble | Nov 18 15:17 |
| schestowitz-pi | no article leaked out the definitive cause | Nov 18 15:17 |
| schestowitz-pi | mayber wsit till monday | Nov 18 15:17 |
| techrights-sec | There was and is too much in-fighting at libera, and wokery | Nov 18 15:17 |
| schestowitz-pi | yes, exactly | Nov 18 15:20 |
| schestowitz-pi | you can get wedged between two camps | Nov 18 15:20 |
| schestowitz-pi | men -> strong -> aggressive -> banned | Nov 18 15:20 |
| schestowitz-pi | they conflate persistence with microaggresion | Nov 18 15:20 |
| schestowitz-pi | so being a corporate sissy is "safe": | Nov 18 15:20 |
| schestowitz-pi | i saw this in reddit | Nov 18 15:20 |
| techrights-sec | men-with-toothpick-arms -> weak -> aggessive -> promoted | Nov 18 15:21 |
| techrights-sec | or accuracy and facts with aggression or harassment | Nov 18 15:21 |
| schestowitz-pi | women activvidts just get death and rapoe threats | Nov 18 15:25 |
| schestowitz-pi | tyhen rush offline | Nov 18 15:25 |
| schestowitz-pi | or get given "paslestine" flag | Nov 18 15:25 |
| schestowitz-pi | to support weak and feeble hamas | Nov 18 15:25 |
| schestowitz-pi | <techrights-news> Equating the "Third World" with Hamas is not a good idea? https://breachmedia.ca/canada-nato-global-south-palestine/ | Nov 18 15:25 |
| schestowitz-pi | because social control media is groupthink | Nov 18 15:25 |
| schestowitz-pi | and not supporting hamas is "islamophobia" | Nov 18 15:25 |
| techrights-sec | thunberg has fully cancelled herself, perhaps with manipulation to | Nov 18 15:26 |
| techrights-sec | do so but her credibility is now unrecoverable due to stupidly bad judgement | Nov 18 15:26 |
| techrights-sec | hamas == iran | Nov 18 15:26 |
| schestowitz-pi | greta was under neigher expectation nor obligation to say anything | Nov 18 15:28 |
| schestowitz-pi | esp. to that audience | Nov 18 15:28 |
| schestowitz-pi | TR focuses on some issues | Nov 18 15:28 |
| schestowitz-pi | apropos, seems elana hamasman is very much hurt by TR | Nov 18 15:28 |
| schestowitz-pi | and is now trying to justify that stupid phrase | Nov 18 15:28 |
| schestowitz-pi | as apple culls hamas proponents | Nov 18 15:28 |
| techrights-sec | Certainly nothing so off topic as about hamas' terror attack | Nov 18 15:28 |
| techrights-sec | so instead of using the platform to talk about the climate crisis | Nov 18 15:28 |
| techrights-sec | she threw away that platform and any future invitations | Nov 18 15:28 |
| techrights-sec | hamas was elected and supported by the adults in gaza | Nov 18 15:28 |
| schestowitz-pi | to clarify, the elana thing was to make a point about canceling "the Jew" | Nov 18 15:32 |
| schestowitz-pi | using something he said in relation to party party policy like 20 years | Nov 18 15:32 |
| schestowitz-pi | ago | Nov 18 15:32 |
| schestowitz-pi | sopcial control media is so stupid that brad kuhn went through his old identica posts | Nov 18 15:32 |
| schestowitz-pi | one by one and deleted them | Nov 18 15:32 |
| schestowitz-pi | around the time he "canceled" his mentor | Nov 18 15:32 |
| schestowitz-pi | now he talks in highly censored IRC and nameless press releases | Nov 18 15:32 |
| schestowitz-pi | they even cancel moglen in court, as GOD FORBID he might have to DEBATE | Nov 18 15:32 |
| schestowitz-pi | some issue in an anvironment he cannot fully control | Nov 18 15:32 |
| schestowitz-pi | he used to snub and ignore FSF suporters | Nov 18 15:32 |
| schestowitz-pi | who thought he was not a pleasant person | Nov 18 15:32 |
| techrights-sec | kuhn has proven to be a turd | Nov 18 15:33 |
| techrights-sec | yeah a backstabbing turd it would seem, at that | Nov 18 15:33 |
| techrights-sec | That's what the cancelling is really about in regards to Moglen: | Nov 18 15:33 |
| techrights-sec | they want to cut of the articulate FOSS proponents from any contact | Nov 18 15:33 |
| techrights-sec | with any branch of the US gov. Note the committee composition for | Nov 18 15:33 |
| techrights-sec | Schumer's m$ lovefest. | Nov 18 15:33 |
| techrights-sec | Moglen would wipe the floor with him in a debate. | Nov 18 15:33 |
| schestowitz-pi | i got a bad scent off of brad a long time ago | Nov 18 15:36 |
| schestowitz-pi | and realised others had been feeling the same for a while | Nov 18 15:36 |
| schestowitz-pi | karen refuses to expose herself to challenge | Nov 18 15:36 |
| schestowitz-pi | she collects the money, writes some stuff, not sure what she does all day | Nov 18 15:36 |
| schestowitz-pi | but there are analogies for what SFC is | Nov 18 15:36 |
| schestowitz-pi | but not a great enough analogy i can think of in politics | Nov 18 15:36 |
| schestowitz-pi | many advocacy groups for digital stuff vanished 100%, inc. PP UK | Nov 18 15:37 |
| schestowitz-pi | O.R.G. was recycled | Nov 18 15:37 |
| schestowitz-pi | Edri make a comeback of sorts | Nov 18 15:37 |
| schestowitz-pi | FSFEEE barely says or does a thing | Nov 18 15:37 |
| schestowitz-pi | i think pocock killed them, their reputation, but they will never admit it | Nov 18 15:37 |
| schestowitz-pi | <techrights-news> "shared by the Iranian state news agency IRNA." ? https://yle.fi/a/74-20060849 | Nov 18 15:38 |
| schestowitz-pi | thank you, yle, for the extra audience | Nov 18 15:38 |
| schestowitz-pi | "may try again later" | Nov 18 15:38 |
| schestowitz-pi | yle editor: i don't always check other news sites for article ideas. but when i do, i check out caliphate news sites... someone making a scene is hardly newsworthy but unruly, unless an egg hits the head or something (or a cake in Brussels) | Nov 18 15:50 |
| schestowitz-pi | <techrights-news> The people who viciously attacked Techrights loathe being called militants because they tried baiting the people whom they attacked into "isms" and "phobia". Nope. Won't work... | Nov 18 15:54 |
| schestowitz-pi | alt explanation: yle editor sympathises with the unruly person and compares war on terror to "genocide" | Nov 18 15:55 |
| schestowitz-pi | but who knows... | Nov 18 15:55 |
| schestowitz-pi | anyway, people shouy things at politicians all the time | Nov 18 15:55 |
| techrights-sec | :( | Nov 18 15:56 |
| schestowitz-pi | "bill says" = bill pays (me) | Nov 18 15:57 |
| schestowitz-pi | or "i will parrot this nonsense | Nov 18 15:57 |
| schestowitz-pi | a) for clicks | Nov 18 15:57 |
| schestowitz-pi | b) because it sounds good* | Nov 18 15:57 |
| schestowitz-pi | ___ | Nov 18 15:57 |
| schestowitz-pi | * world's top polluter speaks of global warming | Nov 18 15:57 |
| techrights-sec | Backup complete, now includes ~ircd | Nov 18 16:26 |
| schestowitz-pi | those configs and setup work pefectly so far | Nov 18 16:29 |
| schestowitz-pi | some people suppressed by their irc clients are back online | Nov 18 16:29 |
| schestowitz-pi | not it's "secure" because a third party says it is | Nov 18 16:29 |
| schestowitz-pi | hypothetical attack method: belarus fakes, via dns, being you fav irc network | Nov 18 16:29 |
| schestowitz-pi | it even creates users for _all_ the people you expect there :-) | Nov 18 16:29 |
| schestowitz-pi | very "cheap" plot | Nov 18 16:29 |
| techrights-sec | several countries fake or inject certs for mitm | Nov 18 16:29 |
| schestowitz-pi | the transport layer for the certs is the same ISP you cannot trust | Nov 18 16:30 |
| schestowitz-pi | some great security model you got there :-) | Nov 18 16:30 |
| techrights-sec | I suppose a fake site could even relay back and forth as a proxy between | Nov 18 16:31 |
| techrights-sec | the victim and the real IRC network | Nov 18 16:31 |
| schestowitz-pi | irc is only encrypted to the serve | Nov 18 16:34 |
| schestowitz-pi | *server | Nov 18 16:34 |
| schestowitz-pi | for e2ee you need to swap keys on a secure channel with another user in irc | Nov 18 16:34 |
| schestowitz-pi | most clients do not support this exchange | Nov 18 16:34 |
| schestowitz-pi | but | Nov 18 16:34 |
| schestowitz-pi | if i set up an irc server at home | Nov 18 16:34 |
| schestowitz-pi | and then someone connects to it | Nov 18 16:34 |
| schestowitz-pi | i might be ok, like murmur at home for mumble/mumla | Nov 18 16:34 |
| schestowitz-pi | mumla runs on a back doored platform | Nov 18 16:34 |
| schestowitz-pi | so could be compromised at the level of audio stack | Nov 18 16:34 |
| schestowitz-pi | see Vault 7 and 8 | Nov 18 16:34 |
| schestowitz-pi | my mom uses an iOS mumble client, i don't know what it's called | Nov 18 16:34 |
| schestowitz-pi | rianne's parents were on mumble this afternoon | Nov 18 16:35 |
| schestowitz-pi | but they use mumla on chinese tablets | Nov 18 16:35 |
| schestowitz-pi | so i'd trust nothing, and 5/6-eyes are just part of the risk | Nov 18 16:35 |
| techrights-news | ➲ 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⨦ (NEW): Wireshark 4.2.0 Released with Dark Mode, ARM64 Support ⇨ http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2023/11/18/Wireshark_4_2_0_Released_with_Dark_Mode_ARM64_Support.shtml | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2023/11/18/Wireshark_4_2_0_Released_with_Dark_Mode_ARM64_Support.gmi ∎ | Nov 18 16:48 |
| techrights-news | ➲ 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⨦ (NEW): Today's 𝘛𝘶𝘹 𝘔𝘢𝘤𝘩𝘪𝘯𝘦𝘴 HowTos ⇨ http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2023/11/18/today_s_howtos.3.shtml | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2023/11/18/today_s_howtos.3.gmi ∎ | Nov 18 16:48 |
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| techrights-news | ➲ 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⨦ (NEW): Security Leftovers ⇨ http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2023/11/18/Security_Leftovers.2.shtml | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2023/11/18/Security_Leftovers.2.gmi ∎ | Nov 18 17:03 |
| techrights-news | ➲ 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⨦ (NEW): Audacity 3.4.2: Fix for Clips Shifting and Mix and Render Gain Reset ⇨ http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2023/11/18/Audacity_3_4_2_Fix_for_Clips_Shifting_and_Mix_and_Render_Gain_R.shtml | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2023/11/18/Audacity_3_4_2_Fix_for_Clips_Shifting_and_Mix_and_Render_Gain_R.gmi ∎ | Nov 18 17:12 |
| techrights-news | ➲ 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⨦ (NEW): 𝘛𝘶𝘹 𝘔𝘢𝘤𝘩𝘪𝘯𝘦𝘴: Google Android Leftovers ⇨ http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2023/11/18/Android_Leftovers.1.shtml | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2023/11/18/Android_Leftovers.1.gmi ∎ | Nov 18 17:44 |
| techrights-news | ➲ 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⨦ (NEW): Gear, Frameworks, Kernel updates in Tumbleweed ⇨ http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2023/11/17/Gear_Frameworks_Kernel_updates_in_Tumbleweed.shtml | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2023/11/17/Gear_Frameworks_Kernel_updates_in_Tumbleweed.gmi ∎ | Nov 18 17:44 |
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| techrights-news | ➲ 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⨦ (NEW): Supporting freedom and the sustainable use of electronic products in the European Union ⇨ http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2023/11/18/Supporting_freedom_and_the_sustainable_use_of_electronic_produc.shtml | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2023/11/18/Supporting_freedom_and_the_sustainable_use_of_electronic_produc.gmi ∎ | Nov 18 18:09 |
| techrights-news | ➲ 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⨦ (NEW): Software: diffoscope 252 and Screen Sharing ⇨ http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2023/11/18/Software_diffoscope_252_and_Screen_Sharing.shtml | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2023/11/18/Software_diffoscope_252_and_Screen_Sharing.gmi ∎ | Nov 18 18:17 |
| techrights-news | ➲ 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⨦ (NEW): Sam Thursfield's GNOME Report, This Week in GNOME ⇨ http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2023/11/18/Sam_Thursfield_s_GNOME_Report_This_Week_in_GNOME.shtml | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2023/11/18/Sam_Thursfield_s_GNOME_Report_This_Week_in_GNOME.gmi ∎ | Nov 18 18:26 |
| techrights-news | ➲ 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⨦ (NEW): 𝘛𝘶𝘹 𝘔𝘢𝘤𝘩𝘪𝘯𝘦𝘴 Programming Leftovers ⇨ http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2023/11/18/Programming_Leftovers.1.shtml | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2023/11/18/Programming_Leftovers.1.gmi ∎ | Nov 18 18:30 |
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