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| techrights-sec | yo | Sep 21 01:33 |
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| techrights-sec | back, for a bit | Sep 21 01:33 |
| techrights-sec | UTF-8 sorted, working on porting over converted old nodes for TM | Sep 21 01:33 |
| schestowitz-pi | i slept well for the first time in days :-) | Sep 21 01:35 |
| schestowitz-pi | mostly well | Sep 21 01:35 |
| schestowitz-pi | thanks for the patience | Sep 21 01:35 |
| schestowitz-pi | i am messing with apache2 configs atm, trying to get TR going | Sep 21 01:35 |
| schestowitz-pi | seems like a permissions issue | Sep 21 01:35 |
| schestowitz-pi | i messed around with groups to no avail | Sep 21 01:35 |
| schestowitz-pi | we're doing a lot of _well-overdue_ (planned since 2019) tasks all in one go | Sep 21 01:35 |
| schestowitz-pi | irc is nice and calm, and no long dictated by people to whom "free" means "i get to decide" | Sep 21 01:35 |
| techrights-sec | Excellent. And thanks for the activities yesterday | Sep 21 01:36 |
| techrights-sec | Yes, there is a backlog which is getting cleared. | Sep 21 01:36 |
| techrights-sec | btw what is the ip of tm-old ? | Sep 21 01:54 |
| techrights-sec | thanks | Sep 21 01:55 |
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| schestowitz-pi | now I wrestle with old php versions in debian 12 | Sep 21 02:19 |
| schestowitz-pi | as expected | Sep 21 02:19 |
| schestowitz-pi | it is still there | Sep 21 02:19 |
| schestowitz-pi | i can access it via hv for sure | Sep 21 02:19 |
| schestowitz-pi | i will tka a copy of it | Sep 21 02:19 |
| schestowitz-pi | pls make offsite copy too | Sep 21 02:20 |
| schestowitz-pi | /var/www/ | Sep 21 02:20 |
| schestowitz-pi | and /home/ | Sep 21 02:20 |
| schestowitz-pi | we can spin off an old distro to create a mirror later | Sep 21 02:20 |
| techrights-sec | thanks, it seems not available any more. oh well | Sep 21 02:20 |
| techrights-sec | some images in files/ are not transfered but the nodes are afaik all present | Sep 21 02:20 |
| techrights-sec | textwise | Sep 21 02:20 |
| techrights-sec | ok retrying | Sep 21 02:20 |
| techrights-sec | what is hv's old IP, sorry for the pestering | Sep 21 02:20 |
| techrights-sec | maybe better, I'll just work up a script to port over to see if we | Sep 21 02:20 |
| techrights-sec | can still fetch the remaining images, still working ... | Sep 21 02:20 |
| techrights-sec | thanks, can they be gotten with tar ? | Sep 21 02:20 |
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| schestowitz-pi | transfer rates are very low here, but i will also make offsite copy of home and var | Sep 21 02:30 |
| schestowitz-pi | http://techrights.org/ipfs/ | Sep 21 02:36 |
| schestowitz-pi | utf-8? | Sep 21 02:36 |
| schestowitz-pi | getting rid of old php dependencies would clear the path for years to come | Sep 21 02:36 |
| schestowitz-pi | going static is one option | Sep 21 02:36 |
| techrights-sec | grabbing whole docroot if I can ... | Sep 21 02:37 |
| techrights-sec | checking | Sep 21 02:37 |
| techrights-sec | AddDefaultCharset utf-8 | Sep 21 02:37 |
| techrights-sec | ^ needs to go in apache2 config | Sep 21 02:37 |
| techrights-sec | for that vhost | Sep 21 02:37 |
| techrights-sec | adding | Sep 21 02:37 |
| schestowitz-pi | thanks! | Sep 21 02:38 |
| schestowitz-pi | fixed now | Sep 21 02:38 |
| schestowitz-pi | yes, beat me to it | Sep 21 02:38 |
| techrights-sec | fixed | Sep 21 02:38 |
| techrights-sec | strange. it seems i have all files/ images anyway, at least upon refreshing | Sep 21 02:46 |
| techrights-sec | the page, but making a backup with tar just in case... | Sep 21 02:46 |
| techrights-sec | I /don't/ have the forum unfortunately, what to do? | Sep 21 02:58 |
| techrights-sec | I /do/ have the full document root though. Looking for db | Sep 21 02:58 |
| schestowitz-pi | i am retreiving the latest DB dump right now | Sep 21 02:59 |
| schestowitz-pi | it's in /home/boycottn | Sep 21 02:59 |
| schestowitz-pi | also trying to modernise [sic] wordpress | Sep 21 02:59 |
| schestowitz-pi | have fallback ready | Sep 21 02:59 |
| techrights-sec | grabbing dbdump here too | Sep 21 03:15 |
| techrights-sec | got it | Sep 21 03:15 |
| techrights-sec | still trying to scrape the forum via localhost, some nodes are not | Sep 21 03:15 |
| techrights-sec | responding properly; it's small though. | Sep 21 03:15 |
| schestowitz-pi | <schestowitz> http://techrights.org/videos/ | Sep 21 03:26 |
| schestowitz-pi | <schestowitz> all videos available now | Sep 21 03:26 |
| schestowitz-pi | <schestowitz> "moderning" the piles of php things | Sep 21 03:26 |
| schestowitz-pi | <schestowitz> php is notorious for backward compat | Sep 21 03:26 |
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| techrights-sec | I think I have all the forum material now | Sep 21 03:30 |
| techrights-sec | or ... checking | Sep 21 03:30 |
| schestowitz-pi | iirc, you used devuan before to install wordpress @ TR in the past | Sep 21 03:33 |
| schestowitz-pi | our wordpress version expects older php | Sep 21 03:33 |
| schestowitz-pi | and that can be used to make a static copy | Sep 21 03:33 |
| techrights-sec | yes that would be a big project | Sep 21 03:42 |
| techrights-sec | I guess maybe that'll have to be done though I would have to relearn wordpress | Sep 21 03:42 |
| techrights-sec | translation error, I do have pretty nnuch everythinbg perhaps everything :) | Sep 21 03:42 |
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| schestowitz-pi | exellent | Sep 21 03:53 |
| schestowitz-pi | i am researching options wrt migrating "old" content | Sep 21 03:53 |
| schestowitz-pi | this technical debt thing was all along expected | Sep 21 03:53 |
| schestowitz-pi | no shock here | Sep 21 03:53 |
| schestowitz-pi | atm all the media files etc. are back in place, but the "synamic" stuff like wiki and wordpress wants a versio | Sep 21 03:53 |
| schestowitz-pi | n of php that only third-party repos might have | Sep 21 03:53 |
| schestowitz-pi | and ither way, reveting back to "ancient" software does not solve the underlying debt | Sep 21 03:53 |
| schestowitz-pi | so one option is, even without any of the images, we could set up a machine that runs thw wiki and wordpress | Sep 21 03:53 |
| schestowitz-pi | then cycle though all the pages (in wordpress you use page id e.g. ?p=1 | Sep 21 03:53 |
| schestowitz-pi | ?=2... | Sep 21 03:53 |
| schestowitz-pi | and save ti disk, | Sep 21 03:53 |
| schestowitz-pi | then upload | Sep 21 03:53 |
| schestowitz-pi | then have a formay for the sitesimilar to TM-new | Sep 21 03:53 |
| techrights-sec | true | Sep 21 03:54 |
| techrights-sec | I have a machine here that can be made accessible via SSH and the -D dynamic | Sep 21 03:54 |
| techrights-sec | port forwarding for you to do that on, if you need a temporary machine | Sep 21 03:54 |
| techrights-sec | I'm noticing a tiny handful of nodes which are not retrievable, it seems | Sep 21 03:54 |
| techrights-sec | I'm rather sure I cannot extract more in this way, perhaps I should now | Sep 21 03:54 |
| techrights-sec | log out of the abandoned system? | Sep 21 03:54 |
| techrights-sec | and call it a wrap? | Sep 21 03:54 |
| schestowitz-pi | if you mean tm-old, we can always deploy to some VM | Sep 21 03:56 |
| schestowitz-pi | got the key file, notably the DB | Sep 21 03:56 |
| techrights-sec | yes | Sep 21 03:57 |
| techrights-sec | tm-old | Sep 21 03:57 |
| techrights-sec | ok I'll log out of tm-old now and call that part as done as it gets | Sep 21 03:57 |
| schestowitz-pi | the php/ssl/wordpres upgrade treadmill will doom a ton of wordpress (and other php) stuff | Sep 21 03:58 |
| schestowitz-pi | over time | Sep 21 03:58 |
| techrights-sec | Oh, TLS needs to be set up for tm now | Sep 21 03:59 |
| techrights-sec | How should that be done? | Sep 21 03:59 |
| techrights-sec | I'm only famliar with Let's Encrypt any more. :/ | Sep 21 03:59 |
| schestowitz-pi | certbot should be simple on debian 12 | Sep 21 04:03 |
| schestowitz-pi | there seems to be software that can help us: | Sep 21 04:03 |
| schestowitz-pi | https://hostadvice.com/how-to/website-builders/wordpress/how-to-convert-a-wordpress-site-to-a-static-html-website/ | Sep 21 04:03 |
| techrights-sec | which e-mail address should go in the self-signed certs? | Sep 21 04:03 |
| techrights-sec | ? | Sep 21 04:03 |
| schestowitz-pi | maybe my own? | Sep 21 04:04 |
| schestowitz-pi | maybe it can be left blank? | Sep 21 04:04 |
| techrights-sec | ok I've left it blank but made a self-signed certificat, though | Sep 21 04:10 |
| techrights-sec | should it be using Let's Encrypt instead to avoid the obnoxious warning? | Sep 21 04:10 |
| schestowitz-pi | i don't see the future of the www, for many reasons... | Sep 21 04:15 |
| schestowitz-pi | inc. the cost of chasing "upgrade" and crap liker WEI, AMP | Sep 21 04:15 |
| schestowitz-pi | but many people still use the WWW | Sep 21 04:15 |
| schestowitz-pi | i'm trying to think 10 years ahead | Sep 21 04:15 |
| schestowitz-pi | if that's the email we have for that domain | Sep 21 04:15 |
| schestowitz-pi | i cannot even remember which alias | Sep 21 04:15 |
| schestowitz-pi | yes, maybe we can just temporariyl make that concession | Sep 21 04:15 |
| schestowitz-pi | www is waning over time and becoming bots | Sep 21 04:15 |
| schestowitz-pi | the underlying data/info should be in files | Sep 21 04:15 |
| schestowitz-pi | rather than some opque schema like wordpress | Sep 21 04:15 |
| schestowitz-pi | books will only become obsolete because young people are not taught how to read | Sep 21 04:15 |
| schestowitz-pi | will be taking a nap soon, but good progress made | Sep 21 04:15 |
| schestowitz-pi | outsourcing to many third paries -> the "lkunduke effect" | Sep 21 04:15 |
| schestowitz-pi | rendered himself obsolete | Sep 21 04:15 |
| schestowitz-pi | i really want to convert the site into plain HTML files | Sep 21 04:15 |
| schestowitz-pi | no php or db | Sep 21 04:15 |
| schestowitz-pi | after 17 years | Sep 21 04:15 |
| schestowitz-pi | back in a few hours | Sep 21 04:15 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz-pi, Just do Let's Encrypt already. | Sep 21 04:20 |
| DaemonFC | You're probably driving away legitimate readers with what modern browsers tell people. | Sep 21 04:20 |
| DaemonFC | OMG CERTIFICATE PROBLEM HE'S TRYNA H4X0R YOU D00D!!!!!!111 -Mozi//a | Sep 21 04:21 |
| techrights-sec | added /etc/cron.weekly/certbot-update | Sep 21 06:55 |
| techrights-sec | Let's Encrypt is now set up for news.tuxmachines.org | Sep 21 06:55 |
| techrights-sec | biab | Sep 21 06:55 |
| schestowitz-pi | back | Sep 21 07:08 |
| schestowitz-pi | sensen of smell deteriorated | Sep 21 07:08 |
| schestowitz-pi | hopefully temporary | Sep 21 07:08 |
| schestowitz-pi | going to try some more approaches with wordpress etc. | Sep 21 07:08 |
| schestowitz-pi | tbh, would rather not use DBs at lonh | Sep 21 07:08 |
| schestowitz-pi | all | Sep 21 07:08 |
| schestowitz-pi | in the long run, text thatr depends on some software might last years, but not decades | Sep 21 07:08 |
| schestowitz-pi | rianne and I chatted in length about how the next eneration does not rwad | Sep 21 07:08 |
| schestowitz-pi | rianne says 1 in 5 does | Sep 21 07:08 |
| schestowitz-pi | they watch 3o-second videos like apes | Sep 21 07:08 |
| schestowitz-pi | but information will still be valued in some contexts | Sep 21 07:08 |
| schestowitz-pi | i want to get all the data "out" | Sep 21 07:08 |
| schestowitz-pi | and turn off mariadb | Sep 21 07:08 |
| DaemonFC | Yeah, even BerkeleyDB eventually died. | Sep 21 07:22 |
| DaemonFC | Oracle chased them away with the "Pay us for GPLv3 exceptions." | Sep 21 07:22 |
| schestowitz-pi | ahppy you agree | Sep 21 07:22 |
| schestowitz-pi | i don't want our data tied to bloat-chains | Sep 21 07:23 |
| schestowitz-pi | don't know how much LAMP you did/do | Sep 21 07:23 |
| schestowitz-pi | but it's lots of work just to keep accesss to your data | Sep 21 07:23 |
| DaemonFC | I don't, but I saw what a mess Mageia had on their hands because of RPM. | Sep 21 07:24 |
| DaemonFC | The rpmdb was using Berkeley and Mageia inherited the mess. | Sep 21 07:24 |
| DaemonFC | Red Hat software is a chamber of horrors. | Sep 21 07:25 |
| schestowitz-pi | adding key and alias staff to 4 active users of TM | Sep 21 07:49 |
| techrights-sec | back | Sep 21 07:50 |
| techrights-sec | I did a lot of small changes to the Apache configuration for TM. Since | Sep 21 07:50 |
| techrights-sec | the PDFs and print options aren't going to be retrieved, they're now redirected | Sep 21 07:50 |
| techrights-sec | 30-second videos are now considered long form :( | Sep 21 07:50 |
| techrights-sec | The CSS, however, could use a full refactoring, but maybe beyond | Sep 21 07:50 |
| techrights-sec | my interest + skill | Sep 21 07:50 |
| techrights-sec | Ok, there is also the group editorial, but that is for the ForceCommand | Sep 21 07:50 |
| techrights-sec | group without full shell access. | Sep 21 07:50 |
| techrights-sec | https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12542363/generation-z-alex-mahon-channel-4-gen-z-cambridge-convention.html | Sep 21 07:50 |
| DaemonFC | Putting videos on the site directly does lend itself to abuse. | Sep 21 07:54 |
| DaemonFC | I'm sure Matt GULAG's Windows zombies grabbed onto those. | Sep 21 07:54 |
| DaemonFC | I wonder what to do about that. It would make it harder to latch onto them if it was in HTTP Live Streaming format. Harder still if you were to use ClearKey. | Sep 21 07:55 |
| DaemonFC | But I'm not sure you want to go there. It is technically DRM, but the server sends the key "in the clear". | Sep 21 07:56 |
| DaemonFC | Just embedding a file means he can keep grabbing them over and over with curl or something just to be annoying | Sep 21 07:56 |
| techrights-sec | checking | Sep 21 08:18 |
| techrights-sec | wrong group permissions, fixing ... | Sep 21 08:18 |
| techrights-sec | ok please try again | Sep 21 08:18 |
| techrights-sec | I've used su and checked that all the accounts can run refresh-site-from-db.sh | Sep 21 08:18 |
| techrights-sec | correctly and completely. MQTT is not yet re-activated though. | Sep 21 08:18 |
| techrights-sec | I'll probably set up the ~links subsystem today, but have to run errands (again) | Sep 21 08:18 |
| techrights-sec | in a bit | Sep 21 08:18 |
| techrights-sec | back in an hour or two | Sep 21 08:27 |
| schestowitz-pi | rianne is upstairs and I was waiting for her to retry | Sep 21 08:28 |
| schestowitz-pi | i am meanwhile working on restoring pages in TR | Sep 21 08:28 |
| schestowitz-pi | https://wordpress.org/plugins/cross-references-plugin/ | Sep 21 08:36 |
| schestowitz-pi | this means that wordprsss has gotten long in the tooth | Sep 21 08:36 |
| schestowitz-pi | https://plugins.trac.wordpress.org/browser/cross-references-plugin/ | Sep 21 08:36 |
| schestowitz-pi | "link to fatcow.com removed because it is a commercial site " | Sep 21 08:36 |
| schestowitz-pi | any "new" version of wordpress would have broken links | Sep 21 08:36 |
| DaemonFC | It's impossible for Libera Chat to ban me in a way that matters. | Sep 21 08:43 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz-pi: They're on a rando-banning spree now. | Sep 21 08:44 |
| DaemonFC | Anyone they think might be me. | Sep 21 08:44 |
| DaemonFC | And I'm sitting there watching them do it. | Sep 21 08:44 |
| DaemonFC | Lobstafest is back. | Sep 21 08:45 |
| DaemonFC | Only at Libera Chat. | Sep 21 08:45 |
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| schestowitz-pi | i am now successfully adding new pages to TM | Sep 21 09:00 |
| schestowitz-pi | rianne will try soon | Sep 21 09:00 |
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| DaemonFC | schestowitz-pi: Now Fedora is sabotaging Qt applications. | Sep 21 09:21 |
| DaemonFC | They've dropped qgnomeplatform and Adwaita-Qt. | Sep 21 09:21 |
| DaemonFC | They seem to have a new tactic. | Sep 21 09:21 |
| DaemonFC | The maintainers blog about this as if it was their own idea. No more "IBM told me I'm not allowed to maintain this. Gotta work on Wayland now." | Sep 21 09:22 |
| schestowitz-pi | lots of things are bignb sabotaged at the moment | Sep 21 09:22 |
| schestowitz-pi | not speaking of myself at all | Sep 21 09:22 |
| schestowitz-pi | because companies look at "cut costs" | Sep 21 09:22 |
| schestowitz-pi | so they do even irrational things | Sep 21 09:22 |
| DaemonFC | Speaking of which.... | Sep 21 09:27 |
| DaemonFC | The landlord has had them working 12 hour days on that apartment across the hall all week. | Sep 21 09:27 |
| DaemonFC | Month 3 of working on it and it still isn't half done. | Sep 21 09:27 |
| DaemonFC | What the hell is going on in there? | Sep 21 09:27 |
| DaemonFC | They have some sort of machinery in there that's loud as bombs. | Sep 21 09:28 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz-pi: 9to5linux is using AVIF now. | Sep 21 09:33 |
| DaemonFC | Can't see the images in SeaMonkey, or Brave. | Sep 21 09:33 |
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| techrights-sec | back | Sep 21 09:55 |
| schestowitz-pi | rianne tested "update" too | Sep 21 09:58 |
| schestowitz-pi | works like a charm! | Sep 21 09:58 |
| schestowitz-pi | she is catching up with links now | Sep 21 09:58 |
| schestowitz-pi | i will contact marius | Sep 21 09:58 |
| schestowitz-pi | it looks like arindam used to access with password | Sep 21 09:58 |
| schestowitz-pi | because on the alpine image of tm-new he has ao auth hosts | Sep 21 09:58 |
| schestowitz-pi | you /should/ be able to log in now, but nothing will work until the static site generator is fully installed | Sep 21 10:00 |
| techrights-sec | Great! | Sep 21 10:06 |
| techrights-sec | checking ... that was a su test | Sep 21 10:06 |
| techrights-sec | Oh, there in the middle he logged in! Great! | Sep 21 10:06 |
| techrights-sec | Nope checking the log flow, It was me fixing the typos made in creating the | Sep 21 10:06 |
| techrights-sec | account for him. | Sep 21 10:06 |
| techrights-sec | Key log in should work. | Sep 21 10:06 |
| schestowitz-pi | good news: | Sep 21 10:13 |
| schestowitz-pi | http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2023/09/21/Introducing_the_Librem_11.shtml | Sep 21 10:13 |
| schestowitz-pi | image upload work | Sep 21 10:13 |
| schestowitz-pi | contacted them: | Sep 21 10:13 |
| schestowitz-pi | " | Sep 21 10:13 |
| schestowitz-pi | you /should/ be able to log in now, now that the static site generator is fully installed | Sep 21 10:13 |
| schestowitz-pi | any issues? let me know..." | Sep 21 10:13 |
| schestowitz-pi | regarding TR, as noted before the best approach (long-term) is to get rid of the DBs | Sep 21 10:13 |
| schestowitz-pi | for that, it would help to install an old OS offline-ish or firewall | Sep 21 10:13 |
| schestowitz-pi | when you made the .gmi pages you got the full paths included | Sep 21 10:13 |
| schestowitz-pi | so i assume you alredy haver a script that can just jump the plain html | Sep 21 10:13 |
| schestowitz-pi | there are over 38,000 pages | Sep 21 10:13 |
| schestowitz-pi | they really should just be html pages, not something "in a db" with virtual structure | Sep 21 10:13 |
| techrights-sec | I can work out a short script to scrap the dynamic TR pages. | Sep 21 10:17 |
| techrights-sec | It'll have to wait until the db is online: | Sep 21 10:17 |
| techrights-sec | $ dig news.techrights.org | grep '^[[:alnum:]]' | Sep 21 10:17 |
| techrights-sec | news.techrights.org. 7142 IN A 204.197.160.3 | Sep 21 10:17 |
| schestowitz-pi | excellent, it would secure the 17 years of work | Sep 21 10:18 |
| schestowitz-pi | from BS "updates" or OS, ssl, db, wordpress and (worst) php | Sep 21 10:18 |
| schestowitz-pi | my other wordpress blogs are at risk due to those upgrade treadmills | Sep 21 10:18 |
| schestowitz-pi | i will update dns some more | Sep 21 10:18 |
| techrights-sec | The above turns over in about two hours. | Sep 21 10:18 |
| techrights-sec | s/scrap/scrape | Sep 21 10:18 |
| techrights-sec | $ dig news.techrights.org | grep '^[[:alnum:]]' | Sep 21 10:24 |
| techrights-sec | news.techrights.org. 13950 IN A 204.197.160.3 | Sep 21 10:24 |
| techrights-sec | aka 4+ hours | Sep 21 10:24 |
| techrights-sec | excellent, it'll take time for the new addresses to spread | Sep 21 10:57 |
| schestowitz-pi | rianne and i need fresh air | Sep 21 10:59 |
| schestowitz-pi | she made two sales today | Sep 21 10:59 |
| schestowitz-pi | out to the park for an hour | Sep 21 10:59 |
| schestowitz-pi | lesser form of exercise | Sep 21 10:59 |
| techrights-news | β² πΏππ πΈπππππππ ⨦ (NEW): Introducing the Librem 11 β¨ http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2023/09/21/Introducing_the_Librem_11.shtml | βΎ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2023/09/21/Introducing_the_Librem_11.gmi β | Sep 21 10:59 |
| techrights-news | β² πΏππ πΈπππππππ ⨦ (NEW): Linux for beginners: Everything you need to know to get started β¨ http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2023/09/21/Linux_for_beginners_Everything_you_need_to_know_to_get_started.shtml | βΎ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2023/09/21/Linux_for_beginners_Everything_you_need_to_know_to_get_started.gmi β | Sep 21 10:59 |
| techrights-news | β² πΏππ πΈπππππππ ⨦ (NEW): Linux gives up on 6-year LTS kernels, says theyβre too much work β¨ http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2023/09/21/Linux_gives_up_on_6_year_LTS_kernels_says_they_re_too_much_work.shtml | βΎ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2023/09/21/Linux_gives_up_on_6_year_LTS_kernels_says_they_re_too_much_work.gmi β | Sep 21 10:59 |
| *MinceR gives voice to roy | Sep 21 11:56 | |
| schestowitz-pi | back, first time out since testing pss (Tue) | Sep 21 12:23 |
| schestowitz-pi | had a long discussion | Sep 21 12:23 |
| schestowitz-pi | rianne will max up )so to speak) thunderbird,quiterss and rrrrr to find whatever news | Sep 21 12:23 |
| schestowitz-pi | is still out there | Sep 21 12:23 |
| schestowitz-pi | when TR runs a static page generator I can strive for 20 posts per day, some videos, different format | Sep 21 12:23 |
| schestowitz-pi | the TR wiki can be saved manually as static | Sep 21 12:23 |
| schestowitz-pi | wordpress will take longer, might be similar to the gemini conversion scripts | Sep 21 12:23 |
| schestowitz-pi | i can even ask kaniii to exposed TR-old by direct ip only | Sep 21 12:23 |
| schestowitz-pi | to facilitate scraping | Sep 21 12:23 |
| techrights-sec | I'd be really uncomfortable owing any favors to kaniini at this late stage | Sep 21 12:44 |
| techrights-sec | Scraping 38K pages would take days, it'd be better to try to set it up | Sep 21 12:44 |
| techrights-sec | here or at your place on a local machine and then doing the scraping over | Sep 21 12:44 |
| techrights-sec | localhost. | Sep 21 12:44 |
| schestowitz-pi | doing one (likely last, third time) rsync from TR-old | Sep 21 13:01 |
| schestowitz-pi | this time with non-public stuff too | Sep 21 13:01 |
| schestowitz-pi | including cron jobs | Sep 21 13:01 |
| schestowitz-pi | scripts and programs | Sep 21 13:01 |
| schestowitz-pi | i think we'll look back at this week as a very positive thing | Sep 21 13:01 |
| schestowitz-pi | are you ok with me adding a user for ipfs? | Sep 21 13:01 |
| schestowitz-pi | i saw nothing in TOS against it | Sep 21 13:01 |
| schestowitz-pi | and we only share our own objects | Sep 21 13:01 |
| schestowitz-pi | i will copy those next | Sep 21 13:01 |
| techrights-sec | Working on the Link infrastructure. I probably ought to do Git first, | Sep 21 13:02 |
| techrights-sec | but would like to think about Git more slowly rather than just copying | Sep 21 13:02 |
| techrights-sec | over the (probably wrong) first draft. | Sep 21 13:02 |
| techrights-sec | Sure IPFS should have a separate user | Sep 21 13:02 |
| techrights-sec | I'm not sure about throttling IPFS though, that will need to be done and | Sep 21 13:02 |
| techrights-sec | the has to be an out of band solution for access when I inevitably fat finger | Sep 21 13:02 |
| techrights-sec | a combo and lock myself out. | Sep 21 13:02 |
| techrights-sec | just installed emacs-nox which has a /lot/ of dependencies, i can back that | Sep 21 13:02 |
| techrights-sec | out if there are too many for your taste | Sep 21 13:02 |
| schestowitz-pi | rianne just noticed that www.tuxmachines.org goes to the wrong place | Sep 21 13:12 |
| schestowitz-pi | i think it's the vhost | Sep 21 13:12 |
| schestowitz-pi | also | Sep 21 13:12 |
| schestowitz-pi | https://news.tuxmachines.org/node/feed or | Sep 21 13:12 |
| schestowitz-pi | tuxmachines.org/node/feed | Sep 21 13:12 |
| schestowitz-pi | should both redirect to https://news.tuxmachines.org/feed.xml | Sep 21 13:12 |
| schestowitz-pi | as this is where many readers come from | Sep 21 13:12 |
| techrights-sec | ok will check | Sep 21 13:16 |
| techrights-sec | btw | Sep 21 13:16 |
| techrights-sec | $ dig news.techrights.org | grep '^[[:alnum:]]' | Sep 21 13:16 |
| techrights-sec | news.techrights.org. 3675 IN A 204.197.160.3 | Sep 21 13:16 |
| schestowitz-pi | news.techrights.org. 14400 A | Sep 21 13:17 |
| schestowitz-pi | 94.76.207.113 | Sep 21 13:17 |
| schestowitz-pi | maybe slow propagation | Sep 21 13:17 |
| techrights-sec | added a redirection for news.tuxmachines.org/node/feed for both http and https | Sep 21 13:27 |
| schestowitz-pi | thanks! | Sep 21 13:32 |
| schestowitz-pi | does www.tuxmachines.org/ work for you? | Sep 21 13:32 |
| schestowitz-pi | the feed, witn the old URLs too, works correctly now :-) | Sep 21 13:32 |
| schestowitz-pi | i am still sweeping away any remaining files from TR-old | Sep 21 13:32 |
| techrights-sec | checking (it used to) | Sep 21 13:36 |
| techrights-sec | yes | Sep 21 13:36 |
| techrights-sec | it still does | Sep 21 13:36 |
| techrights-sec | but it redirects to news.tuxmachines.org | Sep 21 13:36 |
| techrights-sec | :) | Sep 21 13:36 |
| techrights-sec | what started out as a short configuration file is now medium sized. | Sep 21 13:36 |
| techrights-sec | Can you double check the DNS settings for news.techrights.org? | Sep 21 13:36 |
| techrights-sec | techrights.org is showing the correct IP address | Sep 21 13:36 |
| techrights-sec | Thanks! | Sep 21 13:36 |
| schestowitz-pi | i have just RR-applied the change to news.tt | Sep 21 13:36 |
| schestowitz-pi | tr | Sep 21 13:36 |
| schestowitz-pi | not ntha | Sep 21 13:36 |
| schestowitz-pi | not that I expect it to matter the second time around, but I updated about 10 subdomains in less than a minute | Sep 21 13:36 |
| schestowitz-pi | *RE-applied | Sep 21 13:36 |
| techrights-news | β² πΏππ πΈπππππππ ⨦ (NEW): GNOME 45 Released, Hereβs the Best New Features β¨ http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2023/09/21/GNOME_45_Released_Here_s_the_Best_New_Features.shtml | βΎ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2023/09/21/GNOME_45_Released_Here_s_the_Best_New_Features.gmi β | Sep 21 13:39 |
| techrights-news | β² πΏππ πΈπππππππ ⨦ (NEW): Announcing Fedora Linux 39 Beta β¨ http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2023/09/21/Announcing_Fedora_Linux_39_Beta.shtml | βΎ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2023/09/21/Announcing_Fedora_Linux_39_Beta.gmi β | Sep 21 13:39 |
| techrights-news | β² πΏππ πΈπππππππ ⨦ (NEW): 10 Best Features in GNOME 45 β¨ http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2023/09/21/10_Best_Features_in_GNOME_45.shtml | βΎ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2023/09/21/10_Best_Features_in_GNOME_45.gmi β | Sep 21 13:39 |
| schestowitz-pi | rianen and i now discuss how to reduce the overlap or repetition across sites to further efficiency | Sep 21 14:02 |
| schestowitz-pi | she also plans to write more original "content" | Sep 21 14:02 |
| techrights-sec | Both ideas sound great | Sep 21 14:06 |
| techrights-sec | Some systems here are starting to get the right address: | Sep 21 14:20 |
| techrights-sec | $ news.techrights.org. 14389 IN A 94.76.207.113 | Sep 21 14:20 |
| techrights-sec | $ dig news.techrights.org | grep '^[[:alnum:]]' | Sep 21 14:20 |
| techrights-sec | news.techrights.org. 14245 IN A 94.76.207.113 | Sep 21 14:20 |
| techrights-sec | yay! | Sep 21 14:20 |
| techrights-sec | now all have the right address | Sep 21 14:20 |
| techrights-sec | Looking at Git now, may take a day or so | Sep 21 14:20 |
| *oarion7 (~ryan@mfmwu5c33pkb2.irc) has joined #tuxmachines | Sep 21 14:20 | |
| schestowitz-pi | rant about firefox *and* derivs: | Sep 21 14:21 |
| schestowitz-pi | on both my machine and rianne's they aggressively cache dns | Sep 21 14:21 |
| schestowitz-pi | causing confusion | Sep 21 14:21 |
| schestowitz-pi | or so it would seem | Sep 21 14:21 |
| *MinceR gives voice to oarion7 | Sep 21 14:22 | |
| techrights-sec | Yes, there is that on top of everything else. Not counting the browsers, I | Sep 21 14:36 |
| techrights-sec | suspect that there are two or three layers of caching here in the network(s) | Sep 21 14:36 |
| techrights-sec | which I have to use. Given the pervasive absence of DNSSEC, cache poisoning | Sep 21 14:36 |
| techrights-sec | is probably a massive problem globally | Sep 21 14:36 |
| schestowitz-pi | TIL (after almost an hour) | Sep 21 14:47 |
| schestowitz-pi | even if a dir seems to be wholly owned by you | Sep 21 14:47 |
| schestowitz-pi | there is a devil in the details | Sep 21 14:47 |
| schestowitz-pi | like symlinks | Sep 21 14:47 |
| schestowitz-pi | going to ship two fitness products now | Sep 21 14:47 |
| schestowitz-pi | while doing one last rsync from TR-old | Sep 21 14:47 |
| schestowitz-pi | this serve is a dinosaur | Sep 21 14:47 |
| schestowitz-pi | some files there go back to the host from 2006 | Sep 21 14:47 |
| techrights-sec | I have Git set up for TM now, do you have a public SSH key available for it? | Sep 21 15:34 |
| techrights-sec | git clone git@git.tuxmachines.org:/home/git/tuxmachines.org.git/ | Sep 21 15:34 |
| techrights-sec | cd tuxmachines.org | Sep 21 15:34 |
| techrights-sec | (long phone call atm) | Sep 21 15:34 |
| techrights-news | β² πΏππ πΈπππππππ ⨦ (NEW): Stable kernels: Linux 6.5.4, Linux 6.1.54, Linux 5.15.132, and Linux 5.10.195 β¨ http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2023/09/21/Stable_kernels_Linux_6_5_4_Linux_6_1_54_Linux_5_15_132_and_Linu.shtml | βΎ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2023/09/21/Stable_kernels_Linux_6_5_4_Linux_6_1_54_Linux_5_15_132_and_Linu.gmi β | Sep 21 15:52 |
| techrights-news | β² πΏππ πΈπππππππ ⨦ (NEW): openSUSE Slowroll: The King Is Dead, Long Live the King β¨ http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2023/09/21/openSUSE_Slowroll_The_King_Is_Dead_Long_Live_the_King.shtml | βΎ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2023/09/21/openSUSE_Slowroll_The_King_Is_Dead_Long_Live_the_King.gmi β | Sep 21 15:52 |
| techrights-news | β² πΏππ πΈπππππππ ⨦ (NEW): 8 Best Free and Open Source Hard Disk Utilities for System Tweakers β¨ http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2023/09/21/8_Best_Free_and_Open_Source_Hard_Disk_Utilities_for_System_Twea.shtml | βΎ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2023/09/21/8_Best_Free_and_Open_Source_Hard_Disk_Utilities_for_System_Twea.gmi β | Sep 21 15:52 |
| techrights-sec | (still on a call but key added, give the above formula a try please) | Sep 21 15:56 |
| techrights-sec | (middle of file) | Sep 21 16:12 |
| techrights-news | β² πΏππ πΈπππππππ ⨦ (NEW): 6 Best Free and Open Source Linux System Cleaning Tools β¨ http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2023/09/21/6_Best_Free_and_Open_Source_Linux_System_Cleaning_Tools.shtml | βΎ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2023/09/21/6_Best_Free_and_Open_Source_Linux_System_Cleaning_Tools.gmi β | Sep 21 17:06 |
| techrights-news | β² πΏππ πΈπππππππ ⨦ (NEW): Thinking about switching to Linux? 9 things you need to know β¨ http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2023/09/21/Thinking_about_switching_to_Linux_9_things_you_need_to_know.shtml | βΎ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2023/09/21/Thinking_about_switching_to_Linux_9_things_you_need_to_know.gmi β | Sep 21 17:06 |
| techrights-news | β² πΏππ πΈπππππππ ⨦ (NEW): Linux 5.10.196 β¨ http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2023/09/21/Linux_5_10_196.shtml | βΎ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2023/09/21/Linux_5_10_196.gmi β | Sep 21 17:06 |
| techrights-news | β² πΏππ πΈπππππππ ⨦ (NEW): Review of Youyeetoo Rockchip RK3568 SBC with Lubuntu 20.04 and the RKNPU2 AI SDK β¨ http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2023/09/21/Review_of_Youyeetoo_Rockchip_RK3568_SBC_with_Lubuntu_20_04_and_.shtml | βΎ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2023/09/21/Review_of_Youyeetoo_Rockchip_RK3568_SBC_with_Lubuntu_20_04_and_.gmi β | Sep 21 17:07 |
| techrights-news | β² πΏππ πΈπππππππ ⨦ (NEW): 5 Best Free and Open Source CardDAV Servers β¨ http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2023/09/21/5_Best_Free_and_Open_Source_CardDAV_Servers.shtml | βΎ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2023/09/21/5_Best_Free_and_Open_Source_CardDAV_Servers.gmi β | Sep 21 17:07 |
| schestowitz-pi | copying ipfs now | Sep 21 17:12 |
| schestowitz-pi | afaik, that's the very last thing i wanted to copy across | Sep 21 17:13 |
| schestowitz-pi | debian 12 does not have ipfs in the repos | Sep 21 17:13 |
| schestowitz-pi | the docs for ipfs are terribke: | Sep 21 17:13 |
| schestowitz-pi | https://wiki.debian.org/IPFS | Sep 21 17:13 |
| schestowitz-pi | sudo sh ... | Sep 21 17:13 |
| schestowitz-pi | from github | Sep 21 17:13 |
| schestowitz-pi | and poor english | Sep 21 17:13 |
| techrights-sec | back, for a bit | Sep 21 17:13 |
| techrights-sec | I'll probabl hav e to continue with Git tomorrow, but it works for TM now | Sep 21 17:13 |
| techrights-sec | Still have to make the DocumentRoot a clone | Sep 21 17:13 |
| schestowitz-pi | excellent, we're on a good path | Sep 21 17:16 |
| schestowitz-pi | people in irc ask about ipfs and gemini to get access to articles | Sep 21 17:16 |
| schestowitz-pi | wiki+wordpress can become 40k objects | Sep 21 17:16 |
| schestowitz-pi | those, in turn can be put in ipfs, git, whatever | Sep 21 17:16 |
| schestowitz-pi | but turning the site into static pages can take tine | Sep 21 17:16 |
| schestowitz-pi | tired eearly, back in a few | Sep 21 17:29 |
| techrights-sec | biab | Sep 21 17:29 |
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