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| techtrights-sec6 | please see /tmp/y on this system, it is a *very* early draft of a letter | Mar 29 04:55 |
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| techtrights-sec6 | comments welcom | Mar 29 04:55 |
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| techrights-news | ➲ 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⨦ (NEW): Today in Techrights ⇨ https://tuxmachines.org/n/2025/03/29/Today_in_Techrights.shtml | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2025/03/29/Today_in_Techrights.gmi ∎ | Mar 29 05:12 |
| schestowitz-pi | see y-new | Mar 29 05:25 |
| schestowitz-pi | or diff it | Mar 29 05:25 |
| techtrights-sec6 | problem at FSF web site: | Mar 29 05:26 |
| techtrights-sec6 | https://static.fsf.org/nosvn/blogs/campaigns/2025/income-tax-calculation-calculate_mastodon.png | Mar 29 05:26 |
| techtrights-sec6 | the article | Mar 29 05:26 |
| techtrights-sec6 | https://www.fsf.org/blogs/community/free-filing-should-be-free-as-in-freedom | Mar 29 05:26 |
| techtrights-sec6 | has no thumbnail and the whole 5.2MB PNG image get loaded each time, | Mar 29 05:26 |
| techtrights-sec6 | which slows down the page and wastes their expensive, limited bandwidth | Mar 29 05:26 |
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| techtrights-sec6 | thanks | Mar 29 06:06 |
| schestowitz-pi | quick stupid quertiio | Mar 29 06:07 |
| schestowitz-pi | n | Mar 29 06:07 |
| schestowitz-pi | in mubmble | Mar 29 06:08 |
| schestowitz-pi | , pulseaudio takes up lots of cpu | Mar 29 06:08 |
| schestowitz-pi | even when mute and idle | Mar 29 06:08 |
| schestowitz-pi | workaround? | Mar 29 06:08 |
| schestowitz-pi | option | Mar 29 06:08 |
| techtrights-sec6 | I usually close mumble periodically and activate it only when in use | Mar 29 06:09 |
| techtrights-sec6 | though it seems I've had this instance up and running for 2 days since | Mar 29 06:09 |
| techtrights-sec6 | I forgot to turn it off. checking audio and cpu ... | Mar 29 06:09 |
| techtrights-sec6 | mumble is steady here at a high 5.3% CPU but I am using pipewire | Mar 29 06:09 |
| techtrights-sec6 | rather than pulseaudio | Mar 29 06:09 |
| techtrights-sec6 | I know little about either audio system | Mar 29 06:09 |
| schestowitz-pi | seems we have this "issue" in common | Mar 29 06:13 |
| schestowitz-pi | checking | Mar 29 06:14 |
| schestowitz-pi | upon opening mumble | Mar 29 06:14 |
| schestowitz-pi | even before entering a network | Mar 29 06:14 |
| schestowitz-pi | pulseaudio shoots up to 20% cpu, up and down | Mar 29 06:14 |
| schestowitz-pi | if muted etc. | Mar 29 06:14 |
| schestowitz-pi | about 15-20% cpu once connected | Mar 29 06:14 |
| schestowitz-pi | if not muted etc. | Mar 29 06:14 |
| schestowitz-pi | it goes up | Mar 29 06:14 |
| schestowitz-pi | stays up at ~30pct cpu | Mar 29 06:14 |
| schestowitz-pi | even after muting again | Mar 29 06:14 |
| schestowitz-pi | tradeoff, mute | Mar 29 06:14 |
| schestowitz-pi | close | Mar 29 06:14 |
| schestowitz-pi | open again | Mar 29 06:14 |
| schestowitz-pi | do not unmute until someone in | Mar 29 06:14 |
| schestowitz-pi | than pulseaudioc is about half the cpu | Mar 29 06:14 |
| techtrights-sec6 | What about quiting Mumble and then reloading it? | Mar 29 06:14 |
| techtrights-sec6 | Closing the window only puts it into the background. It can only be | Mar 29 06:14 |
| techtrights-sec6 | quit via a menu | Mar 29 06:14 |
| techtrights-sec6 | PulseAudio has earned a bad reputation. Can you move to pipewire on that | Mar 29 06:14 |
| techtrights-sec6 | system? | Mar 29 06:14 |
| schestowitz-pi | i know how to close it "proper" | Mar 29 06:16 |
| schestowitz-pi | a) some people leave quickly if nobody there (_some_) | Mar 29 06:16 |
| schestowitz-pi | b) if waiting online, muted _bneforer_ opening | Mar 29 06:16 |
| schestowitz-pi | c) cpu usage halved until on "Call" | Mar 29 06:16 |
| techtrights-sec6 | I understand, idling is important then. | Mar 29 06:17 |
| techtrights-sec6 | Which version of Mumble client? | Mar 29 06:17 |
| schestowitz-pi | 1.3.4-1 | Mar 29 06:17 |
| schestowitz-pi | with our plan, br charges about 25p per minute for local calls | Mar 29 06:19 |
| schestowitz-pi | and also, i dopn't like phones ringing | Mar 29 06:19 |
| schestowitz-pi | it's very disruptive | Mar 29 06:20 |
| schestowitz-pi | (i also don't like agreeing on set times... in my experience it leads to constantt time-thinking and watch-watching... which is a hidden cost or toll on the mind) | Mar 29 06:20 |
| schestowitz-pi | a la: https://matduggan.com/slack-the-art-of-being-busy-without-getting-anything-done/ | Mar 29 06:20 |
| techtrights-sec6 | :/ | Mar 29 06:20 |
| techtrights-sec6 | That's *very* high. Usurious even. | Mar 29 06:20 |
| techtrights-sec6 | Of course | Mar 29 06:20 |
| techtrights-sec6 | checking more | Mar 29 06:20 |
| techtrights-sec6 | https://forums.mumble.info/ ? | Mar 29 06:20 |
| techtrights-sec6 | Set up a pseudonymn and post a question there? | Mar 29 06:20 |
| schestowitz-pi | apropos, time-keeping | Mar 29 06:22 |
| schestowitz-pi | posting in web forums has massive overhead | Mar 29 06:22 |
| schestowitz-pi | needing to remember and to check some site a lot | Mar 29 06:22 |
| schestowitz-pi | don't want to do _that_ if i can avoid it | Mar 29 06:22 |
| schestowitz-pi | i can be most focuses when i need not even _look_ at a clock | Mar 29 06:22 |
| schestowitz-pi | or have set times for _anything_ | Mar 29 06:22 |
| schestowitz-pi | my clock is the birds | Mar 29 06:22 |
| schestowitz-pi | they came at 5:30 today | Mar 29 06:22 |
| schestowitz-pi | they also decide when to take breaks from keyboard | Mar 29 06:22 |
| techtrights-sec6 | OOPS, that is archived and read-only | Mar 29 06:23 |
| techtrights-sec6 | https://github.com/mumble-voip/mumble/issues/3041 | Mar 29 06:23 |
| techtrights-sec6 | sadly they have moved to M$ GitHub | Mar 29 06:23 |
| schestowitz-pi | they wrongly assume - as many - it'll be free forever | Mar 29 06:23 |
| schestowitz-pi | poor them | Mar 29 06:23 |
| techtrights-sec6 | The gist is to try Pipewire or ALSA instead | Mar 29 06:24 |
| techtrights-sec6 | They also wrongly assume that it will benefit the project and help visibility | Mar 29 06:24 |
| techtrights-sec6 | Neither are a given when M$ is involved. | Mar 29 06:24 |
| schestowitz-pi | same as: | Mar 29 06:25 |
| schestowitz-pi | "youtube is free" | Mar 29 06:25 |
| schestowitz-pi | "fb is social" | Mar 29 06:25 |
| schestowitz-pi | "linkedin gets you jobs" | Mar 29 06:25 |
| schestowitz-pi | i mostly find "dirt" there | Mar 29 06:25 |
| schestowitz-pi | conflicts of interest | Mar 29 06:25 |
| techtrights-sec6 | Anyway, do you have a system with Pipewire which you can idle Mumble on instead? | Mar 29 06:25 |
| schestowitz-pi | debian 12, but low on ram | Mar 29 06:25 |
| schestowitz-pi | _not_ for more than irc and terminals | Mar 29 06:26 |
| techtrights-sec6 | Or would you risk upgrading to Pipewire. | Mar 29 06:26 |
| techtrights-sec6 | The PulseAudio problem goes back years apoparently, as seen in that and | Mar 29 06:26 |
| techtrights-sec6 | other posts | Mar 29 06:26 |
| techtrights-sec6 | Muting should help a little though. | Mar 29 06:26 |
| schestowitz-pi | i am glad i did this 'propfiling' | Mar 29 06:29 |
| schestowitz-pi | mitigated issue by 50% | Mar 29 06:29 |
| schestowitz-pi | each year you will need to learn new 'hacks', even on same system | Mar 29 06:29 |
| schestowitz-pi | or workarounds | Mar 29 06:29 |
| schestowitz-pi | i just got more osi leaks | Mar 29 06:29 |
| schestowitz-pi | this morn | Mar 29 06:29 |
| schestowitz-pi | maybe it'lll last till may | Mar 29 06:29 |
| schestowitz-pi | i would not mind | Mar 29 06:29 |
| techtrights-sec6 | :) | Mar 29 06:29 |
| techtrights-sec6 | OSI needs to clean house and get back with the programme or else moved aside | Mar 29 06:29 |
| techtrights-sec6 | and replaced. | Mar 29 06:29 |
| techtrights-sec6 | M$ is more aggressive these days becauae fewer people realize what m$ is and | Mar 29 06:37 |
| techtrights-sec6 | what microsofters are really like | Mar 29 06:37 |
| schestowitz-pi | e | Mar 29 06:39 |
| schestowitz-pi | but need moral support | Mar 29 06:39 |
| schestowitz-pi | i weclome the challnge | Mar 29 06:39 |
| schestowitz-pi | but need moral support | Mar 29 06:39 |
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| techrights-news | ➲ 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⨦ (NEW): This Week in Plasma: zero VHI bugs and much more ⇨ https://tuxmachines.org/n/2025/03/29/This_Week_in_Plasma_zero_VHI_bugs_and_much_more.shtml | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2025/03/29/This_Week_in_Plasma_zero_VHI_bugs_and_much_more.gmi ∎ | Mar 29 09:06 |
| techrights-news | ➲ 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⨦ (NEW): How artifacts are signed in Fedora ⇨ https://tuxmachines.org/n/2025/03/29/How_artifacts_are_signed_in_Fedora.shtml | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2025/03/29/How_artifacts_are_signed_in_Fedora.gmi ∎ | Mar 29 09:08 |
| schestowitz-pi | 1 added as draft | Mar 29 09:29 |
| techtrights-sec6 | back | Mar 29 09:38 |
| techtrights-sec6 | checking | Mar 29 09:38 |
| techtrights-sec6 | checking | Mar 29 09:38 |
| techtrights-sec6 | s/made a complaints/made a complaint/ | Mar 29 09:38 |
| techtrights-sec6 | more context on deb nicholson is needed and her history of bad behavior | Mar 29 09:38 |
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| techtrights-sec6 | "... contacted complainant" ... about .... (needs expansion) | Mar 29 09:58 |
| techtrights-sec6 | the statement that OSI members have no influence also needs expansion as to | Mar 29 09:58 |
| techtrights-sec6 | why they have no influence | Mar 29 09:58 |
| techtrights-sec6 | no vote or what? | Mar 29 09:58 |
| techtrights-sec6 | https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2019/07/08/rudyard-kipling-in-america | Mar 29 09:58 |
| techtrights-sec6 | https://www.theguardian.com/books/booksblog/2016/jan/05/why-we-still-dont-know-what-to-make-of-kipling | Mar 29 09:58 |
| techtrights-sec6 | https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/1919/01/the-remarkable-rightness-of-rudyard-kipling/306597/ | Mar 29 09:58 |
| techtrights-sec6 | https://macleans.ca/society/why-does-rudyard-kipling-get-no-respect/ | Mar 29 09:58 |
| techrights-news | Techrights – Open Source Initiative (OSI) Privacy Fiasco in Detail: An Introduction ⇨ https://techrights.org/n/2025/03/29/Open_Source_Initiative_OSI_Privacy_Fiasco_in_Detail_An_Introduc.shtml | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/n/2025/03/29/Open_Source_Initiative_OSI_Privacy_Fiasco_in_Detail_An_Introduc.gmi ∎ | Mar 29 10:06 |
| techrights-news | ➲ 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⨦ (NEW): BSD: powerd++ not always saving power, BSD Now has new episode ⇨ https://tuxmachines.org/n/2025/03/28/BSD_powerd_not_always_saving_power_BSD_Now_has_new_episode.shtml | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2025/03/28/BSD_powerd_not_always_saving_power_BSD_Now_has_new_episode.gmi ∎ | Mar 29 10:18 |
| schestowitz-pi | * #soylent :Cannot join channel (+r) - you need to be logged into your NickServ account | Mar 29 10:21 |
| techrights-news | ➲ 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⨦ (NEW): Games: Immortal Boy, Mini Royale, and More ⇨ https://tuxmachines.org/n/2025/03/29/Games_Immortal_Boy_Mini_Royale_and_More.shtml | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2025/03/29/Games_Immortal_Boy_Mini_Royale_and_More.gmi ∎ | Mar 29 10:26 |
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| techtrights-sec6 | = | Mar 29 11:10 |
| techtrights-sec6 | "I'm an American software developer and the "broligarchs" don't speak for me - ratfactor" | Mar 29 11:10 |
| techtrights-sec6 | https://ratfactor.com/tech-nope | Mar 29 11:10 |
| techtrights-sec6 | ^ long but a lot of good points and examples | Mar 29 11:10 |
| techrights-news | Techrights – Links 29/03/2025: More Crackdowns on Science, "Hey Hi" Slopping is Flopping ⇨ https://techrights.org/n/2025/03/29/Links_29_03_2025_More_Crackdowns_on_Science_Hey_Hi_Slopping_is_.shtml | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/n/2025/03/29/Links_29_03_2025_More_Crackdowns_on_Science_Hey_Hi_Slopping_is_.gmi ∎ | Mar 29 11:23 |
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| schestowitz-pi | * #soylent :Cannot join channel (+r) - you need to be logged into your NickServ account | Mar 29 11:56 |
| schestowitz-pi | today i posted merged within ~1.5 hours of receiving them | Mar 29 11:57 |
| schestowitz-pi | so they are fresh | Mar 29 11:57 |
| schestowitz-pi | i have some article ideas now, ty | Mar 29 11:57 |
| techtrights-sec6 | np | Mar 29 12:09 |
| schestowitz-pi | *abreast | Mar 29 12:09 |
| schestowitz-pi | *news | Mar 29 12:09 |
| schestowitz-pi | this new re cyprus is bad | Mar 29 12:09 |
| schestowitz-pi | we read that | Mar 29 12:09 |
| schestowitz-pi | and still talk about that | Mar 29 12:09 |
| schestowitz-pi | keeping abrease of news this days keeps the mind from wandering off | Mar 29 12:09 |
| schestowitz-pi | *abreast | Mar 29 12:09 |
| schestowitz-pi | *news | Mar 29 12:09 |
| techtrights-sec6 | yep | Mar 29 12:19 |
| techtrights-sec6 | vastly exceding the carrying capacity even before the illegals arrive | Mar 29 12:19 |
| techtrights-sec6 | Less than that, maybe 10 or 15 years | Mar 29 12:19 |
| schestowitz-pi | x4 in 100 years | Mar 29 12:27 |
| schestowitz-pi | planet got smaller (higher water level) | Mar 29 12:27 |
| schestowitz-pi | the "consensus" numbers (many villagers uncounted) | Mar 29 12:27 |
| schestowitz-pi | mssm pretents "not enbough" people is the real crisis | Mar 29 12:27 |
| schestowitz-pi | *msm pretends | Mar 29 12:27 |
| schestowitz-pi | go figure | Mar 29 12:27 |
| techtrights-sec6 | :( | Mar 29 12:27 |
| techtrights-sec6 | Adding to that is the recent discovery that the overpopulation problenm has | Mar 29 12:27 |
| techtrights-sec6 | been underestimated, perhaps by billions. | Mar 29 12:27 |
| techtrights-sec6 | It clouded over, as expected, but before that happened, I was able | Mar 29 12:27 |
| techtrights-sec6 | to briefly project the partial eclipse onto a viewing surface. | Mar 29 12:27 |
| schestowitz-pi | almost 20 years ago a friend from hk told me aboiut uncounted people in .cn | Mar 29 12:28 |
| schestowitz-pi | now they say the same abouty .in | Mar 29 12:28 |
| schestowitz-pi | probably .id also | Mar 29 12:28 |
| techtrights-sec6 | Can the external links for TR here be replaced with relative links, please? | Mar 29 12:29 |
| techtrights-sec6 | https://techrights.org/n/2025/03/29/Open_Source_Initiative_OSI_Privacy_Fiasco_in_Detail_An_Introduc.shtml | Mar 29 12:29 |
| techtrights-sec6 | The presence of 'http|https' in the HREF throws off the CSS a little | Mar 29 12:29 |
| schestowitz-pi | i think it is due to "DRAFT": | Mar 29 12:30 |
| schestowitz-pi | it does not subs the url | Mar 29 12:30 |
| schestowitz-pi | gtg | Mar 29 12:30 |
| schestowitz-pi | running | Mar 29 12:30 |
| techtrights-sec6 | Ah, I'll loook into that | Mar 29 12:46 |
| techtrights-sec6 | have a good run | Mar 29 12:46 |
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| techrights-news | ➲ 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⨦ (NEW): BSD: powerd++ not always saving power, BSD Now has new episode ⇨ https://tuxmachines.org/n/2025/03/28/BSD_powerd_not_always_saving_power_BSD_Now_has_new_episode.shtml | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2025/03/28/BSD_powerd_not_always_saving_power_BSD_Now_has_new_episode.gmi ∎ | Mar 29 12:52 |
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| techtrights-sec6 | found the error, tr-update-entry-sql.pl updated in Git and pushed to server | Mar 29 13:21 |
| techtrights-sec6 | biab - walk | Mar 29 13:21 |
| schestowitz-pi | excellent, thanks so much | Mar 29 13:26 |
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| techtrights-sec6 | back | Mar 29 14:08 |
| techtrights-sec6 | np | Mar 29 14:08 |
| schestowitz-pi | already started sunday tasks | Mar 29 14:09 |
| schestowitz-pi | so we can go out monday | Mar 29 14:09 |
| techrights-news | ➲ 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⨦ (NEW): A Roadmap for a modern Plasma Login Manager ⇨ https://tuxmachines.org/n/2025/03/27/A_Roadmap_for_a_modern_Plasma_Login_Manager.shtml | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2025/03/27/A_Roadmap_for_a_modern_Plasma_Login_Manager.gmi ∎ | Mar 29 14:37 |
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| techrights-news | ➲ 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⨦ (NEW): Today's 𝘛𝘶𝘹 𝘔𝘢𝘤𝘩𝘪𝘯𝘦𝘴 HowTos ⇨ https://tuxmachines.org/n/2025/03/29/today_s_howtos.1.shtml | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2025/03/29/today_s_howtos.1.gmi ∎ | Mar 29 14:52 |
| techrights-news | ➲ 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⨦ (NEW): 𝘛𝘶𝘹 𝘔𝘢𝘤𝘩𝘪𝘯𝘦𝘴 Programming Leftovers ⇨ https://tuxmachines.org/n/2025/03/29/Programming_Leftovers.shtml | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2025/03/29/Programming_Leftovers.gmi ∎ | Mar 29 14:54 |
| techrights-news | ➲ 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⨦ (NEW): Security Leftovers ⇨ https://tuxmachines.org/n/2025/03/29/Security_Leftovers.shtml | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2025/03/29/Security_Leftovers.gmi ∎ | Mar 29 14:55 |
| techrights-news | ➲ 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⨦ (NEW): Free, Libre, and Open Source Software Leftovers ⇨ https://tuxmachines.org/n/2025/03/29/Free_Libre_and_Open_Source_Software_Leftovers.shtml | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2025/03/29/Free_Libre_and_Open_Source_Software_Leftovers.gmi ∎ | Mar 29 14:57 |
| techrights-news | ➲ 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⨦ (NEW): Fedora / Red Hat / IBM Leftovers ⇨ https://tuxmachines.org/n/2025/03/29/Fedora_Red_Hat_IBM_Leftovers.shtml | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2025/03/29/Fedora_Red_Hat_IBM_Leftovers.gmi ∎ | Mar 29 14:59 |
| techrights-news | ➲ 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⨦ (NEW): Hardware/Modding: M5Stack, Acorn, and Raspberry Pi ⇨ https://tuxmachines.org/n/2025/03/29/Hardware_Modding_M5Stack_Acorn_and_Raspberry_Pi.shtml | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2025/03/29/Hardware_Modding_M5Stack_Acorn_and_Raspberry_Pi.gmi ∎ | Mar 29 14:59 |
| techrights-news | ➲ 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⨦ (NEW): Canonical/Ubuntu Leftovers ⇨ https://tuxmachines.org/n/2025/03/29/Canonical_Ubuntu_Leftovers.shtml | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2025/03/29/Canonical_Ubuntu_Leftovers.gmi ∎ | Mar 29 15:00 |
| techrights-news | ➲ 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⨦ (NEW): GNU/Linux and BSD Leftovers ⇨ https://tuxmachines.org/n/2025/03/29/GNU_Linux_and_BSD_Leftovers.shtml | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2025/03/29/GNU_Linux_and_BSD_Leftovers.gmi ∎ | Mar 29 15:00 |
| techrights-news | Techrights – Links 29/03/2025: Trademarks Battles, Fires Destroy More Than 3,000 South Korean Homes ⇨ https://techrights.org/n/2025/03/29/Links_29_03_2025_Trademarks_Battles_Fires_Destroy_More_Than_3_0.shtml | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/n/2025/03/29/Links_29_03_2025_Trademarks_Battles_Fires_Destroy_More_Than_3_0.gmi ∎ | Mar 29 15:03 |
| schestowitz-pi | wanna check draft? | Mar 29 15:42 |
| schestowitz-pi | to test | Mar 29 15:42 |
| schestowitz-pi | wait | Mar 29 15:42 |
| schestowitz-pi | success: | Mar 29 15:42 |
| schestowitz-pi | 4 references converted to relative | Mar 29 15:42 |
| schestowitz-pi | [Y/n/d] d | Mar 29 15:42 |
| schestowitz-pi | 1 added as draft | Mar 29 15:42 |
| techtrights-sec6 | checking | Mar 29 15:42 |
| techtrights-sec6 | ok | Mar 29 15:42 |
| techtrights-sec6 | checking | Mar 29 15:42 |
| techtrights-sec6 | seems ok | Mar 29 15:42 |
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| schestowitz-pi | now it's live | Mar 29 15:49 |
| schestowitz-pi | 2 typos removed | Mar 29 15:49 |
| schestowitz-pi | are urls ok? | Mar 29 15:49 |
| *MinceR` is now known as lightbringer | Mar 29 15:50 | |
| techrights-news | Techrights – Killing the News With Spam and Slop Benefits Those Whose Desire is an Uninformed Population ⇨ https://techrights.org/n/2025/03/29/Killing_the_News_With_Spam_and_Slop_Benefits_Those_Whose_Desire.shtml | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/n/2025/03/29/Killing_the_News_With_Spam_and_Slop_Benefits_Those_Whose_Desire.gmi ∎ | Mar 29 15:50 |
| schestowitz-pi | <techrights-news> And OF COURSE CJR outsourced to clownflare. Clearly not recognising it's a risk to the press? | Mar 29 15:55 |
| schestowitz-pi | <techrights-news> So Clownflare continues its "Jihad" to outright block perfectly OK browsers... because... well, no good reasons. | Mar 29 15:55 |
| schestowitz-pi | <techrights-news> The goal should be to change the Web so that Clownflare would not be used, not to encourage more sites to adopt this malware | Mar 29 15:55 |
| schestowitz-pi | A DAY AGO: | Mar 29 15:55 |
| schestowitz-pi | misc:331206 | Mar 29 15:55 |
| schestowitz-pi | TM:291207 | Mar 29 15:55 |
| techtrights-sec6 | - | Mar 29 15:55 |
| techtrights-sec6 | :/ typical | Mar 29 15:55 |
| schestowitz-pi | TR:247019 | Mar 29 15:55 |
| schestowitz-pi | BN:91244 | Mar 29 15:55 |
| techtrights-sec6 | Bots? | Mar 29 16:24 |
| techtrights-sec6 | ( zcat /var/log/apache2/techrights-access.log*.gz; \ | Mar 29 16:24 |
| techtrights-sec6 | cat /var/log/apache2/techrights-access.log.1 \ | Mar 29 16:24 |
| techtrights-sec6 | /var/log/apache2/techrights-access.log )\ | Mar 29 16:24 |
| techtrights-sec6 | | ./yesterday-apache-log-stat.pl | Mar 29 16:24 |
| techtrights-sec6 | Total 170273 | Mar 29 16:24 |
| techtrights-sec6 | ^ for March 28th | Mar 29 16:24 |
| techtrights-sec6 | I can make that script a bit more efficient | Mar 29 16:24 |
| techtrights-sec6 | it still takes a long time to run though | Mar 29 16:24 |
| techtrights-sec6 | We 'lose' an hour off the clock tonight. I hope the cron jobs are all ok. | Mar 29 16:31 |
| schestowitz-pi | midnight becomes 1am | Mar 29 16:33 |
| schestowitz-pi | so diplicate times | Mar 29 16:33 |
| schestowitz-pi | i remember hating this clock move | Mar 29 16:33 |
| schestowitz-pi | as i was super-tight with time | Mar 29 16:33 |
| schestowitz-pi | news was busy | Mar 29 16:33 |
| techtrights-sec6 | here it is 2 or 3 am | Mar 29 16:33 |
| techtrights-sec6 | Ok. Officially it hops from 3am to 4am here during the night tonight. | Mar 29 16:33 |
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| techrights-news | Techrights – In Some Countries, Such as Thailand, Firefox is Already Measured at Less Than 2% (One Day Firefox Will Get Blocked, Not Only Lack Support) ⇨ https://techrights.org/n/2025/03/29/In_Some_Countries_Such_as_Thailand_Firefox_is_Already_Measured_.shtml | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/n/2025/03/29/In_Some_Countries_Such_as_Thailand_Firefox_is_Already_Measured_.gmi ∎ | Mar 29 16:40 |
| techtrights-sec6 | In 2003, it wasn't even remotely feasible to keep up with just the headlines | Mar 29 16:42 |
| techtrights-sec6 | let alone articles. Thus sites like the late, great Slashdot were so important | Mar 29 16:42 |
| techtrights-sec6 | then. Before they were sold, they captured the zeitgeist: FOSS | Mar 29 16:42 |
| techtrights-sec6 | However, that ground some gears high up and each round of new owners | Mar 29 16:42 |
| techtrights-sec6 | stifled that further and increased the anti-FOSS propaganda an notch. | Mar 29 16:42 |
| techtrights-sec6 | Now you have Conde Nast's Reddddddit which all to many youth mistake for | Mar 29 16:42 |
| techtrights-sec6 | a discussion site. | Mar 29 16:42 |
| schestowitz-pi | reddit community | Mar 29 16:45 |
| schestowitz-pi | fox news | Mar 29 16:45 |
| schestowitz-pi | federal express | Mar 29 16:45 |
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| techrights-news | Techrights – Gemini Links 29/03/2025: Less YouTube and More Station ⇨ https://techrights.org/n/2025/03/29/Gemini_Links_29_03_2025_Less_YouTube_and_More_Station.shtml | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/n/2025/03/29/Gemini_Links_29_03_2025_Less_YouTube_and_More_Station.gmi ∎ | Mar 29 16:48 |
| techtrights-sec6 | :/ | Mar 29 16:57 |
| schestowitz-pi | going to boirrow some text on linux stats | Mar 29 17:16 |
| schestowitz-pi | draft | Mar 29 17:16 |
| schestowitz-pi | going to extend that, except quoted part if OKd | Mar 29 17:16 |
| schestowitz-pi | draft updated | Mar 29 17:16 |
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| techtrights-sec6 | :/ | Mar 29 18:30 |
| techtrights-sec6 | checking | Mar 29 18:30 |
| techtrights-sec6 | mention Red Mike / Salt Typhon and their relation to CALEA and CALEA2 if | Mar 29 18:30 |
| techtrights-sec6 | the last paragraph stays in | Mar 29 18:30 |
| schestowitz-pi | polishing, extending, adds | Mar 29 18:30 |
| schestowitz-pi | ty | Mar 29 18:30 |
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| techtrights-sec6 | np | Mar 29 18:35 |
| techtrights-sec6 | Also, xz was only a close call because the work flow caught it in time, | Mar 29 18:35 |
| techtrights-sec6 | unlike the thousands of exploits m$ exposes people to each year | Mar 29 18:35 |
| techtrights-sec6 | so that paragraph could be expanded a bit too, in order to provide proper | Mar 29 18:35 |
| techtrights-sec6 | context | Mar 29 18:35 |
| techrights-news | Techrights – Windows is an Unnatural Disaster, It is Also Avoidable ⇨ https://techrights.org/n/2025/03/29/Windows_is_an_Unnatural_Disaster_It_is_Also_Avoidable.shtml | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/n/2025/03/29/Windows_is_an_Unnatural_Disaster_It_is_Also_Avoidable.gmi ∎ | Mar 29 18:45 |
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| schestowitz-pi | adding | Mar 29 18:47 |
| schestowitz-pi | today i searched something on the googlesite | Mar 29 18:50 |
| schestowitz-pi | tr showed up there | Mar 29 18:50 |
| schestowitz-pi | tm also | Mar 29 18:50 |
| schestowitz-pi | i don't see any change | Mar 29 18:50 |
| schestowitz-pi | the sites depend on 'interactive' book nav and rss feeds | Mar 29 18:51 |
| schestowitz-pi | not SEs | Mar 29 18:51 |
| schestowitz-pi | no idea what goes on in social cotnrol media | Mar 29 18:51 |
| schestowitz-pi | nitter was running her in a loop to see what in tr people linked to | Mar 29 18:51 |
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| IsambardPrince | schestowitz-pi, Just talked to the police. | Mar 29 19:41 |
| IsambardPrince | Someone came out here and stabbed some car tires. | Mar 29 19:41 |
| IsambardPrince | Didn't do mine thank god. | Mar 29 19:41 |
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| schestowitz-pi | welcome to ILL | Mar 29 19:47 |
| schestowitz-pi | 1050 dollaz a month | Mar 29 19:47 |
| schestowitz-pi | for this | Mar 29 19:47 |
| MinceR | is this not what a "golden age" looks like? | Mar 29 19:47 |
| schestowitz-pi | golden dawnald | Mar 29 19:48 |
| IsambardPrince | 1050 dolla make you holla | Mar 29 19:56 |
| IsambardPrince | MinceR, You know if you self-deport you may be able to come back and live the American Dream. $3,000 apartments, people in masks and sweatpants throwing you in the back of vans, folks burning sticks in the middle of the road to stay warm. | Mar 29 19:57 |
| techtrights-sec6 | afk | Mar 29 19:57 |
| IsambardPrince | -Kristi Noem, AKA "Nazi Barbie" | Mar 29 19:57 |
| MinceR | lol | Mar 29 19:58 |
| MinceR | any relation to klaus barbie? | Mar 29 19:58 |
| schestowitz-pi | https://www.dw.com/en/venezuela-rejects-us-crime-gang-accusations-as-slur/a-72002424 | Mar 29 19:59 |
| IsambardPrince | schestowitz-pi, I wonder if any of those masked people in sweatpants have cum and cheeto crumbs. | Mar 29 20:02 |
| IsambardPrince | Then again, they appear to have upper body strenght. | Mar 29 20:02 |
| IsambardPrince | *strength | Mar 29 20:02 |
| IsambardPrince | MinceR, ^ | Mar 29 20:02 |
| IsambardPrince | It's always good to focus on core exercises. | Mar 29 20:03 |
| IsambardPrince | Not enough people do, and I admit I don't. | Mar 29 20:03 |
| schestowitz-pi | decriminalise most vroom | Mar 29 20:04 |
| IsambardPrince | It's a shame we have laws sometimes though, because I'm definitely fit enough to join a mob that works over the neighborhood sex offenders with a lead pipe. | Mar 29 20:04 |
| IsambardPrince | And the law doeesn't allow for this. | Mar 29 20:04 |
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| techrights-news | Techrights – Judges Would Never Rule for Men Who Strangle Women or Against Women Who Merely Wrote Articles About Abuse They Had Received From Men ⇨ https://techrights.org/n/2025/03/29/Judges_Would_Never_Rule_for_Men_Who_Strangle_Women_or_Against_W.shtml | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/n/2025/03/29/Judges_Would_Never_Rule_for_Men_Who_Strangle_Women_or_Against_W.gmi ∎ | Mar 29 20:27 |
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