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| schestowitz-TR | otr - did some research into uk law in cases like ours; I have some good strategy now. today we'll know if delays | Nov 30 04:18 |
| schestowitz-TR | otr - have an impact on salary or not | Nov 30 04:18 |
| ts2 | excellent | Nov 30 04:22 |
| schestowitz-TR | i am drafting some things; there may be big stuff at stake, inc. extra compensation for ill treatment | Nov 30 04:23 |
| ts2 | likely, their mistreatment has crossed several lines I think | Nov 30 04:23 |
| schestowitz-TR | to rianne, it's about "justice" | Nov 30 04:25 |
| schestowitz-TR | to me it's also about setting the record straight and putting those liars in their place | Nov 30 04:25 |
| schestowitz-TR | they probably breached all sorts of laws and I'm resourceful enough to put a lot of info out there | Nov 30 04:25 |
| ts2 | both points are important | Nov 30 04:28 |
| ts2 | that they have breached laws only makes their situation worse | Nov 30 04:28 |
| schestowitz-TR | if this interests you, I can elaborate | Nov 30 04:34 |
| schestowitz-TR | if you don't reply, i'll take that as a "no" ;-) | Nov 30 04:34 |
| ts2 | It'd be interesting, and possibly useful, background, though laws vary from | Nov 30 04:34 |
| ts2 | country to country. | Nov 30 04:34 |
| schestowitz-TR | harmonised to some extent, at least among the "western bloc" | Nov 30 04:36 |
| schestowitz-TR | but now we have a multi-faceted and flkexible strategt | Nov 30 04:36 |
| schestowitz-TR | I forgot what word I wanted to use | Nov 30 04:36 |
| schestowitz-TR | the next stage might be asking for a fair 'trial' | Nov 30 04:36 |
| schestowitz-TR | which means, they'd have to pay some HR agency | Nov 30 04:36 |
| ts2 | I suspect that the laws are quite differnt even if the individual HR agencies | Nov 30 04:41 |
| ts2 | all try to bend them as far as they can in the same direction | Nov 30 04:41 |
| schestowitz-TR | true | Nov 30 04:41 |
| ts2 | Further since they would be the ones paying the HR agency, the HR agency | Nov 30 04:51 |
| ts2 | would be legally actively working /for/ them and nowhere near impartial. | Nov 30 04:51 |
| schestowitz-TR | yes, of course! | Nov 30 04:52 |
| ts2 | So the assertion that they hire an /independent/ agency would be yet another | Nov 30 04:58 |
| ts2 | lie to add to the list. | Nov 30 04:58 |
| schestowitz-TR | examples of lies in | Nov 30 05:02 |
| schestowitz-TR | a) pdf | Nov 30 05:02 |
| schestowitz-TR | b) blog posts | Nov 30 05:02 |
| schestowitz-TR | c) nov. communications | Nov 30 05:02 |
| ts2 | otr: old: https://yle.fi/a/3-11081924 | Nov 30 05:10 |
| ts2 | otr: was it the politician Mona Salin who opened the floodgates on spam | Nov 30 05:14 |
| ts2 | otr: by saying that it was "good for the economy" about 20 or 21 years ago? | Nov 30 05:14 |
| ts2 | otr: there was the end of the fight which we had been winning legally and | Nov 30 05:14 |
| ts2 | otr: technically up until then | Nov 30 05:14 |
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| schestowitz-TR | otr: wanna see a draft of ltter i might send tomorrow? | Nov 30 11:00 |
| ts2 | ok | Nov 30 11:00 |
| ts2 | checked | Nov 30 11:16 |
| ts2 | otr: the first paragraph is very confrontational by the way, perhaps it | Nov 30 11:16 |
| ts2 | otr: is inadvisable to tell them to lawyer up for a fight | Nov 30 11:16 |
| ts2 | otr: they might do it with the remaining money then | Nov 30 11:16 |
| schestowitz-TR | thanks, I will remove it | Nov 30 11:17 |
| schestowitz-TR | that paragraph started with some joking and so it was meant as a tease | Nov 30 11:19 |
| ts2 | otr: ideally you want your lawyer to deliver your demands and have them meekly | Nov 30 11:19 |
| ts2 | otr: sign it and turn over what they owe | Nov 30 11:19 |
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| ts2 | x https://arstechnica.com/gaming/2022/11/ea-patent-could-probe-social-media-connections-to-detect-in-game-collusion/ | Nov 30 13:08 |
| ts2 | sw patent | Nov 30 13:08 |
| ts2 | but only covered by Arse | Nov 30 13:08 |
| ts2 | x https://patentscope.wipo.int/search/en/detail.jsf?docId=US378634143 bs site | Nov 30 13:08 |
| ts2 | so Arse has gone back to pushing invalid patents | Nov 30 13:08 |
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| schestowitz-TR | otr - moments ago we received partial salary | Nov 30 14:39 |
| schestowitz-TR | means | Nov 30 14:39 |
| schestowitz-TR | 1) they stopped paying after a date (will check which in a moment) | Nov 30 14:39 |
| schestowitz-TR | 2) they won't pay going forward, so we don't need to be cocky | Nov 30 14:39 |
| schestowitz-TR | 3) i won't be able to call them "liars" for promosing to pay and then not paying | Nov 30 14:39 |
| schestowitz-TR | i will send a message to them tomorrow | Nov 30 14:39 |
| ts2 | ack | Nov 30 14:46 |
| ts2 | ack | Nov 30 14:48 |
| ts2 | 3) there would be many other reason to call them out for lying though | Nov 30 14:48 |
| schestowitz-TR | you bet | Nov 30 14:50 |
| schestowitz-TR | we're about to leave the house to discuss | Nov 30 14:50 |
| schestowitz-TR | roughly 15mins | Nov 30 14:50 |
| schestowitz-TR | but we have 3 "waves" | Nov 30 14:50 |
| schestowitz-TR | 1) comms | Nov 30 14:50 |
| schestowitz-TR | 2) blog posts | Nov 30 14:50 |
| schestowitz-TR | 3) long report, followed by PDF version | Nov 30 14:50 |
| schestowitz-TR | maybe then some more blog posts | Nov 30 14:50 |
| schestowitz-TR | no point suing | Nov 30 14:50 |
| schestowitz-TR | they have no money and it takes like 12 months before a case ends | Nov 30 14:50 |
| schestowitz-TR | we already discussed this with the lawyer 3 weeks ago | Nov 30 14:50 |
| ts2 | ack | Nov 30 14:50 |
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