| dsmith_ | http://shop.lenovo.coms... | Jun 02 23:51 |
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| dsmith_ | look under operating system | Jun 02 23:51 |
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| dsmith_ | ThinkPad PC DOS License | Jun 02 23:52 |
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| dsmith_ | i know for a fact that the video and wireless will work just by reading the specs | Jun 02 23:52 |
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| dsmith_ | schestowitz: I have no need for ie7 PERIOD | Jun 02 23:54 |
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| schestowitz | Me neither. | Jun 02 23:55 |
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| schestowitz | It's a shame they don't just sell people hardware. They certify for Ubuntu, Fedora and SUSE, IIRC, at least at Lenovo. | Jun 02 23:55 |
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| schestowitz | They pocket the savings (OS) though. | Jun 02 23:56 |
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| schestowitz | $11.25 | Jun 02 23:58 |
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| dsmith_ | i saw that | Jun 03 00:00 |
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| [H]omer | I seem to make a lot of people very nervous whenever I enter any forum and start talking about Mono, Tom "spot" Callaway @ RedHat stepped into the debate on the fedora-devel list and started talking about lawyers | Jun 03 00:00 |
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| schestowitz | It would be valuable to know how/why this is. How much is Novell paid for SLED? How much does Novell then pass to Microsoft? None of this is public info. I look at the SEC filings. It's too abstract. | Jun 03 00:00 |
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| schestowitz | BTW, someone mailed me about Mono half an hour ago. Verdict: Mono is worse than Silverlight (PJ says so). | Jun 03 00:01 |
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| schestowitz | Moonlight, I mean, not Silverfish. | Jun 03 00:02 |
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| [H]omer | I don't understand why they so relentlessly pursue Mono, like it's some kind of essential component | Jun 03 00:02 |
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| schestowitz | I ought to urge Groklaw to publish an article with layer's advice on Mono too. | Jun 03 00:02 |
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| schestowitz | layer/lawyer | Jun 03 00:02 |
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| [H]omer | I wouldn't mind seeing a copy of that verdict | Jun 03 00:02 |
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| schestowitz | Wait. I'll mail her. | Jun 03 00:03 |
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| schestowitz | OK done. "Citing your article on Moonlight, Fedora has just added it to its exclusions list. Would you mind doing a similar analysis of Mono?" | Jun 03 00:04 |
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| dsmith_ | lenovo also offeres DOS work stations | Jun 03 00:05 |
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| [H]omer | The Fedora hierarchy seem to have me "red flagged" as an immediate escalation case. I assume they blame me for killing Gobuntu, and it makes them nervous | Jun 03 00:05 |
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| schestowitz | How do they know about Gobuntu? | Jun 03 00:05 |
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| [H]omer | They all know | Jun 03 00:06 |
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| [H]omer | My name was clearly shown in the Gobuntu mailing list archives | Jun 03 00:06 |
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| schestowitz | They would be foolish to ignore the iissue. | Jun 03 00:06 |
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| schestowitz | They hired several attorneys recently. | Jun 03 00:06 |
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| [H]omer | Who ... Canonical? | Jun 03 00:06 |
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| schestowitz | They know Microsoft is worried enough to terrorise. | Jun 03 00:06 |
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| [H]omer | Oh Rad Hat | Jun 03 00:07 |
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| schestowitz | No, Red Hat. | Jun 03 00:07 |
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| schestowitz | They got some top guns. | Jun 03 00:07 |
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| schestowitz | It's telling. They foresee something. | Jun 03 00:07 |
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| [H]omer | Yeah, they do seem exceptionally nervous ATM | Jun 03 00:07 |
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| [H]omer | I feel Patent Trolls rising from the hellmouth | Jun 03 00:08 |
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| schestowitz | Sam is attacking the Eee now. http://www.itwire.com/conte... | Jun 03 00:09 |
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| schestowitz | The head/CTO of Xandros told me that Asus is separate from Microsoft. | Jun 03 00:09 |
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| [H]omer | Because it betrayed Free Software by switching to XP? | Jun 03 00:09 |
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| schestowitz | Could he have lied? I never knew. | Jun 03 00:09 |
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| schestowitz | The recession ain't helping us against the patent trolling. it makes aggression. | Jun 03 00:10 |
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| schestowitz | Asustek Predicts Eee PC Sales Will Double Next Year http://www.pcworld.com/businesscenter/... | Jun 03 00:11 |
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| [H]omer | Oh I see, Sam is arguing that the Eee is a Trojan Horse, because it runs Ballnux | Jun 03 00:11 |
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| [H]omer | Yeah well, a lot of people wipe it and put on a better distro | Jun 03 00:12 |
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| schestowitz | FTA: " | Jun 03 00:12 |
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| schestowitz | No, this kind of patent deal works through the fear factor. Once there is a sufficient large number of people using the software that is susceptible to the FUD factor, the company which has IP in the mix begins a campaign through issuing warnings of one kind or the other." | Jun 03 00:12 |
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| dsmith_ | LOL.. In other news the number of eggs thrown at Steve Balmer by angry Europeans will double. | Jun 03 00:12 |
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| [H]omer | lol | Jun 03 00:12 |
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| schestowitz | So... | Jun 03 00:12 |
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| [H]omer | I hope he likes omelets | Jun 03 00:13 |
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| schestowitz | Perhaps Microsoft lets Asus spread it freely, but will send Fester with the grease gun in later. | Jun 03 00:13 |
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| [H]omer | Hmm, no army of MS Shills in Sam's comment section this time. How unusual | Jun 03 00:14 |
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| [H]omer | I think they've started to back off due to new EU laws on astroturfing | Jun 03 00:14 |
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| schestowitz | *LOL* | Jun 03 00:15 |
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| [H]omer | Or is it UK laws? | Jun 03 00:15 |
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| schestowitz | Yes, Waugh attacks him a lot too. The ratings are gamed. | Jun 03 00:15 |
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| [H]omer | Whatever | Jun 03 00:15 |
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| schestowitz | EU. The UK is addressing just legalised bribery. | Jun 03 00:15 |
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| [H]omer | Waugh attacks nearly everyone ... that's just what he does | Jun 03 00:15 |
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| [H]omer | He has megalomania issues | Jun 03 00:16 |
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| schestowitz | Was it Keith who pointed that out? Someone from GNOME. Egomaniac/paranoid. | Jun 03 00:17 |
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| schestowitz | He misrepresents the project and now it's like nobody in Groklaw would use or recommend GNOME. Especially because of him. | Jun 03 00:17 |
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| schestowitz | Same in FSDaily, but maybe for different reasons. | Jun 03 00:18 |
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| [H]omer | I don't usually follow the Gnome list, except that time you pointed out RMS posting there | Jun 03 00:18 |
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| [H]omer | I'm gonna spend 10 mins catching up in COLA | Jun 03 00:19 |
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| schestowitz | More Novell boosting from Asay ( http://news.cnet.com/8301-... ). People who don't understand Linux shouldn't write much about it. | Jun 03 00:27 |
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| schestowitz | dsmith, watch this: http://www.egg-attack.com/ | Jun 03 00:34 |
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| dsmith_ | lol | Jun 03 00:39 |
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| dsmith_ | funny game | Jun 03 00:39 |
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| schestowitz | Dual one, too. | Jun 03 00:41 |
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| schestowitz | I don't think I'll spread the link though. It can be seen as immature. :-( | Jun 03 00:42 |
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| schestowitz | Hi, jbh | Jun 03 00:42 |
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| jbh | hiya | Jun 03 00:42 |
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| jbh | cooking dinner and reading up on the goings on for today | Jun 03 00:43 |
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| jbh | how's the discussion going w/ fedora? | Jun 03 00:43 |
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| schestowitz | We're hoping that GL will publish something about Mono. | Jun 03 00:43 |
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| schestowitz | PJ says Mono is worse than Moonlight. | Jun 03 00:44 |
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| jbh | ah, ok | Jun 03 00:44 |
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| jbh | sounds juicy ;) | Jun 03 00:44 |
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| schestowitz | I'm finding a good deal of positive Linux stories today. | Jun 03 00:45 |
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| schestowitz | Actually, like most companies that turn from underdogs to monopolies (like Linux in HPC and its good position in devices), it's bound to be attacked. And attacks is what it gets ATM. | Jun 03 00:46 |
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| schestowitz | hi, moparx | Jun 03 02:43 |
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| schestowitz | Note: PJ didn't realise just how far Mono had reached. She thought Fedora was 'clean'. Sam varghese claims that Eee PC is Mono-free, which is probably true. | Jun 03 03:00 |
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| moparx | hey | Jun 03 03:12 |
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| balzac | Hey Roy, I really like your boycott novell website | Jun 03 05:09 |
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| balzac | I see lots of links on fsdaily.com and I usually read each one from boycottnovell.com | Jun 03 05:09 |
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| balzac | keep up the good work | Jun 03 05:11 |
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| schestowitz | [belated] thanks. Didn't see that. :-) | Jun 03 05:19 |
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| dsmith_ | yea I read your site like everyday along with a few others.. | Jun 03 05:38 |
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| *tessier is glad to see more and more protests against the OOXML result at ISO | Jun 03 05:45 |
| tessier | [H]omer: I used to read COLA almost 15 years ago. I haven't read it at all in recent years because it is just pointless. | Jun 03 05:46 |
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| tessier | Nobody's mind has ever been changed on COLA and nobody really discusses useful advocacy tactics on COLA> | Jun 03 05:46 |
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| dsmith_ | MS should just adopt ODF and continue on | Jun 03 05:46 |
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| tessier | It's just trolls and partisans. | Jun 03 05:46 |
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| dsmith_ | instead of wasting all this time and money | Jun 03 05:46 |
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| tessier | dsmith_: Once again, preaching to the choir. :) | Jun 03 05:47 |
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| dsmith_ | aye | Jun 03 05:47 |
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| schestowitz | Hi, baijum | Jun 03 05:51 |
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| baijum | Hi schestowitz | Jun 03 05:51 |
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| schestowitz | Tracy: yes, it's a tad messy. Maybe it'll improve, but the Munchkins attack more when there's more pressure on Microsoft. | Jun 03 05:52 |
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| schestowitz | dsmith, Microsoft is in trouble (to a degree), so it'll try /anything/ for MOOX | Jun 03 05:52 |
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| schestowitz | Without Office, do you know what's left for Microsoft. Just some experimental new software and losing divisions. | Jun 03 05:53 |
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| schestowitz | The vast majority of Microsoft profits comes from just two divisions (source: Microsoft Watch). | Jun 03 05:53 |
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| schestowitz | ODF makes office suites almost a commodity. Like CMS software... | Jun 03 05:54 |
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| tessier | I am encouraged by the fact that only Windows and Office (which depends on Windows) make money for MS | Jun 03 05:55 |
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| tessier | And Windows and Office (especially Office) are what are most under attack by FOSS | Jun 03 05:55 |
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| schestowitz | Yes, Microsoft is trying the patent routine against office suites too (May 2007). Because, you know, Microsoft invested work processors and spreadsheets..... *rolls eyes* | Jun 03 05:59 |
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| schestowitz | word processors, I meant to type. | Jun 03 06:00 |
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| tessier | schestowitz: You think any of those Munchkins are somehow affiliated with MS? Would they really bother to participate in such base trolling? | Jun 03 06:05 |
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| tessier | I wish more of usenet were moderated. | Jun 03 06:08 |
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| tessier | Web forums really suck for chatting. | Jun 03 06:08 |
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| schestowitz | Yes, they are slow, scattered and cumbersome. | Jun 03 06:18 |
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| schestowitz | Those Munchkins are at least indirectly affiliated. amicus/billwg, for example, got exposed (Bill Weisgerber). He's some sort of a marketing professor which, if I understand correctly, works with Microsoft in one way or another. Remember that payments are not made in the form of checks (classic bribery/AstroTurfing). These could be business partners that are rewarded differently. In the case of OOXML, Microsoft can offer consulting contracts | Jun 03 06:21 |
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| schestowitz | to sympathetic posters that shelter OOXML. | Jun 03 06:21 |
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| schestowitz | News from Kenya: more signs of events around the apparent blackmail (Microsoft OOXML) | Jun 03 06:38 |
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| hassanibraheem | Kenya wasn't in the news lately, right? | Jun 03 06:39 |
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| schestowitz | No, not quite | Jun 03 06:42 |
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| schestowitz | I'l blog this quickly. http://www.thestandard.com/news/2008/0... | Jun 03 06:42 |
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| schestowitz | I'm working on a set of posts: one on the XAML intrusion, one on new OOXML complaints, and one on Novell informecials. | Jun 03 16:02 |
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| hassanibraheem | schestowitz: nice :) | Jun 03 16:03 |
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| hassanibraheem | btw, I'm wondering... has anyone tried Adobe's online office with Gnash/swfdec ? | Jun 03 16:03 |
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| hassanibraheem | because, guess what, Miguel is embracing it | Jun 03 16:07 |
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| hassanibraheem | on his blog | Jun 03 16:07 |
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| hassanibraheem | no surprise, his blog isn't about Free Software after all | Jun 03 16:07 |
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| schestowitz | Really? | Jun 03 16:25 |
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| hassanibraheem | yup | Jun 03 16:25 |
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| schestowitz | I saw him advocating some Adobe s/w earlier today. | Jun 03 16:25 |
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| schestowitz | I though it was one of the binary wares. | Jun 03 16:26 |
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| schestowitz | thought | Jun 03 16:26 |
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| schestowitz | When you say Miguel embraces something, beware. | Jun 03 16:26 |
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| schestowitz | Miguel has virtually two bosses, like Steinman at Novell. | Jun 03 16:27 |
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| hassanibraheem | mmmmm, I meant he embraced adobe's buzzword | Jun 03 16:27 |
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| hassanibraheem | not gnash or swfdec | Jun 03 16:27 |
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| hassanibraheem | (as he would care!! ) | Jun 03 16:28 |
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| hassanibraheem | http://tirania.org/blog/arch... | Jun 03 16:28 |
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| schestowitz | Oh, yeah... | Jun 03 16:37 |
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| schestowitz | I didn't look at this for more than a moment at the time. His blog is just all # | Jun 03 16:38 |
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| hassanibraheem | schestowitz: check that http://feeds.feedburner.com/~r/zd... | Jun 03 16:56 |
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| schestowitz | I've taken a look. What's your assessment of it? I got Yahoo! fatigue! :-) | Jun 03 16:59 |
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| hassanibraheem | I'm quite confused about the situation | Jun 03 17:00 |
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| hassanibraheem | why would shareholders insist on fighting if microsoft said it lost interest!! | Jun 03 17:00 |
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| hassanibraheem | unless.. MS didn't ;) | Jun 03 17:01 |
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| schestowitz | Which shareholders specifically? I've watched this closely since 2007 (Microsoft wanted to buy Yahoo! for $40/share). Some shareholders are plants, puppets. | Jun 03 17:06 |
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| hassanibraheem | the aggressive one, Icahn (guess that's his name) | Jun 03 17:07 |
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| hassanibraheem | he bought massive shares in yahoo recently, and FCC approved it. | Jun 03 17:08 |
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| hassanibraheem | yup, Carl Icahn | Jun 03 17:10 |
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| hassanibraheem | http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2008/j... | Jun 03 17:10 |
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| schestowitz | Oh, he's not an investor. | Jun 03 17:41 |
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| schestowitz | He is a bully for hire. | Jun 03 17:41 |
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| hassanibraheem | :D | Jun 03 17:42 |
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| Eruaran | hullo | Jun 03 17:57 |
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| hassanibraheem | Eruaran: hi | Jun 03 18:00 |
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| Eruaran | hi :D | Jun 03 18:00 |
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| Eruaran | You guys have alot to answer for you know | Jun 03 18:01 |
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| Eruaran | I have to read the latest on boycottnovell every day now :P | Jun 03 18:01 |
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| Eruaran | And then I go back and read it again... and then I have to follow all the links... | Jun 03 18:02 |
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| hassanibraheem | yes, but it has to be done ;) | Jun 03 18:03 |
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| Eruaran | yes | Jun 03 18:03 |
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| Eruaran | good work guys, kudos... it must take up quite a lot of time though | Jun 03 18:04 |
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| hassanibraheem | it's amazing that roy keeps it up, he is doing a great job gathering this data in one place :) | Jun 03 18:05 |
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| Eruaran | yes | Jun 03 18:05 |
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| Eruaran | I've thought of doing something like that... but I think I'd end up just leeching off roy :P | Jun 03 18:06 |
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| Eruaran | I'll start a blog that only has one entry, a link to boycottnovell | Jun 03 18:06 |
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| hassanibraheem | :D | Jun 03 18:07 |
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| Eruaran | Out of my own personal interest I've been 'googling' for information on anything to do with the semantic desktop, and I noticed something that caught my attention a couple of weeks ago | Jun 03 18:09 |
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| Eruaran | But it wasn't the article itself that was most interesting (although it was interesting). I couldn't help but notice the Microsoft advertising and propaganda on the same page | Jun 03 18:10 |
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| hassanibraheem | u mean on the website? or within the article itself? | Jun 03 18:10 |
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| Eruaran | on the website | Jun 03 18:11 |
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| hassanibraheem | because for website ads, I even think linux.com had windows server ads for a while :D | Jun 03 18:11 |
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| Eruaran | next to the article | Jun 03 18:11 |
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| Eruaran | I thought it was ironic | Jun 03 18:11 |
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| hassanibraheem | it's indeed | Jun 03 18:11 |
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| hassanibraheem | :D | Jun 03 18:11 |
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| hassanibraheem | what I really saw ironic about ads are those ads that quotes some IT people "we dumped linux for.. " | Jun 03 18:12 |
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| Eruaran | What was to me most telling is that in this article and elsewhere all the plans of the free software world regarding the semantic desktop, or social semantic desktop are laid bare, its all out in the open for everyone to see. All the highly articulate information is freely available and freely shared. Microsoft could help itself to this information but appears indifferent and far more focussed on this kind of blanket | Jun 03 18:12 |
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| Eruaran | advertising (on linux sites) and the usual spin on their own mostly lacklustre products. | Jun 03 18:12 |
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| Eruaran | yeh, I read the article on itwire I think it was, where those stories were exposed as bogus | Jun 03 18:14 |
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| hassanibraheem | yes, I read an article too that eventually found out that the case study was about switching from windows 2003 to windows 2008 :D | Jun 03 18:15 |
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| Eruaran | yes lol | Jun 03 18:15 |
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| schestowitz | Thanks for the kind words, <Eruaran>. I've only just gotten back to the IRC channel. I'm going to post many links shortly. | Jun 03 18:16 |
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| schestowitz | Microsoft's shill (yes, paid) Yankee Group recently showed that Server 2008 has worse uptime than Server 2003. Strange but true. Server 2008 is a Vista sibling. same code. | Jun 03 18:18 |
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| Eruaran | yw schestowitz... many links eh... its gonna be a late night for me then :P | Jun 03 18:18 |
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| Eruaran | I'm tempted to install kde 4.1 beta 1 | Jun 03 18:23 |
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| Eruaran | its sexy | Jun 03 18:23 |
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| hassanibraheem | I'm making that switch soon | Jun 03 18:24 |
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| hassanibraheem | from GNOME to KDE | Jun 03 18:24 |
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| Eruaran | :O | Jun 03 18:24 |
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| hassanibraheem | KDE4 has lots of potential (technically) but, it wasn't enough reason for me | Jun 03 18:25 |
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| hassanibraheem | I decided to stick to GNOME because I know we won't see big changes as soon as KDE because of the scheduling | Jun 03 18:25 |
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| Eruaran | I was gonna wait for 4.1 to get tagged but they're encouraging me to install the beta in #kubuntu... | Jun 03 18:25 |
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| hassanibraheem | but, mono settled that decision :) | Jun 03 18:25 |
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| Eruaran | ah yes mono | Jun 03 18:25 |
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| Eruaran | I saw the list of dependancies | Jun 03 18:26 |
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| Eruaran | in ubuntu | Jun 03 18:26 |
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| Eruaran | bbl | Jun 03 18:31 |
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| schestowitz | I'll be on 3.5 for quite some time. | Jun 03 18:47 |
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| schestowitz | Just posted some links I've collected and I'm off for a while. I stay connected. | Jun 03 18:48 |
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| hassanibraheem | schestowitz: ok | Jun 03 18:48 |
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