| schestowitz | It would be good to show more evidence of their link to Microsoft before they disappear from this planet. | Nov 25 16:19 |
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| _doug | "For ninety (90) days from Your date of purchase, Novell warrants that (1) any media on which the Software is delivered is free from physical defects; and (2) the Software will substantially conform to the documentation accompanying the Software" | Nov 25 16:19 |
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| _doug | http://www.novell.com/licensing/eula/sle... | Nov 25 16:19 |
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| wispy | go for it roy :) | Nov 25 16:19 |
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| schestowitz | _doug: what's Windows like? | Nov 25 16:19 |
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| _doug | "Novell will at its sole discretion either resolve the nonconformity or refund the license fees You paid for the Software" | Nov 25 16:20 |
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| _doug | "NOVELL MAKES NO WARRANTY, REPRESENTATION OR PROMISE NOT EXPRESSLY SET FORTH IN THIS LIMITED WARRANTY" | Nov 25 16:21 |
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| _doug | NOVELL NOR ANY OF ITS LICENSORS, SUBSIDIARIES, OR EMPLOYEES WILL IN ANY CASE BE LIABLE FOR ANY .. DAMAGES ARISING OUT OF THE USE OF .. THE SOFTWARE," | Nov 25 16:22 |
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| _doug | "This benchmark testing restriction applies to You" | Nov 25 16:23 |
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| wispy | roy, i g2g. im going on vacation and won't be back until monday of next week. see ya! :D | Nov 25 16:23 |
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| schestowitz | Have a nice time. | Nov 25 16:23 |
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| wispy | thanks! ^_^ | Nov 25 16:24 |
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| schestowitz | _doug: maybe we should deconstruct the EULA and slam it where appropriate (or inappropriate rather)? | Nov 25 16:24 |
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| _doug | Vista Eula: "MANDATORY ACTIVATION.. The software will from time to time validate the software, update or require download of the validation feature of the software"" | Nov 25 16:25 |
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| _doug | "During a validation check, the software will send information about the software and the device | Nov 25 16:25 |
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| _doug | to Microsoft" | Nov 25 16:25 |
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| _doug | "When you download licenses for protected content, you agree that Microsoft may include a revocation list with the licenses. Content owners may require you to upgrade WMDRM to access their content" | Nov 25 16:26 |
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| _doug | "You may disclose the results of any benchmark test of those components, provided that you comply with the conditions set forth at" | Nov 25 16:26 |
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| _doug | "LIMITATION ON AND EXCLUSION OF DAMAGES. You can recover from Microsoft and its suppliers only direct damages up to the amount you paid for the software. You cannot recover any other damages, including consequential, lost profits, special, indirect or incidental damages" | Nov 25 16:27 |
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| _doug | "This limitation .. applies even if .. Microsoft knew or should have known about the possibility of the damages" | Nov 25 16:28 |
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| _doug | IF I was the Chief lawyer of a fortune500 company, what IP peace of mind is this legalese supposed to bring me ? | Nov 25 16:29 |
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| _doug | "REMEDY FOR BREACH OF WARRANTY. Microsoft will repair or replace the software at no charge. If Microsoft cannot repair or replace it, Microsoft will refund the amount shown on your receipt for the software" | Nov 25 16:30 |
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| _doug | This one's strange ? | Nov 25 16:31 |
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| schestowitz | Heh. Vista | Nov 25 16:31 |
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| schestowitz | New feature in Vista: new EULA | Nov 25 16:32 |
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| _doug | "USE OF THIS PRODUCT IN ANY MANNER THAT COMPLIES WITH THE MPEG 2 VISUAL STANDARD IS PROHIBITED, EXCEPT FOR USE DIRECTLY RELATED TO (A) DATA OR INFORMATION (i) GENERATED BY AND OBTAINED WITHOUT CHARGE FROM A CONSUMER NOT THEREBY ENGAGED IN A BUSINESS ENTERPRISE, AND (ii) FOR PERSONAL USE ONLY; AND (B) OTHER USES SPECIFICALLY AND SEPARATELY LICENSED BY MPEG LA, L.L.C." | Nov 25 16:32 |
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| _doug | http://download.microsoft.com/documents/useterms/Window... | Nov 25 16:32 |
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| schestowitz | DRM/DMCA? | Nov 25 16:32 |
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| schestowitz | Maybe that's why Microsoft takes CIOs out to dinner... they get drunk and sign such waivers. | Nov 25 16:33 |
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| _doug | Where do any of these licenses protect me gainst getting sued from loss of confidential customer records ? | Nov 25 16:33 |
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| schestowitz | It's not about rights. | Nov 25 16:34 |
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| schestowitz | It's a waiver. | Nov 25 16:34 |
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| schestowitz | It's about things you lose... rights you concede. | Nov 25 16:34 |
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| _doug | how valid is a license that uses URLs ? | Nov 25 16:35 |
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| schestowitz | Really? | Nov 25 16:36 |
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| schestowitz | Not slef contained | Nov 25 16:36 |
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| _doug | "The right to disclose the results of any benchmark test of the Microsoft .NET Framework has been modified." | Nov 25 16:36 |
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| _doug | http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkID=66406 | Nov 25 16:36 |
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| _doug | MS innovation, the retrospectivly changable contract .. :) | Nov 25 16:37 |
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| _doug | "THE ENTIRE LIABILITY OF MICROSOFT .. SHALL BE LIMITED TO ACTUAL DAMAGES INCURRED BY YOU BASED ON REASONABLE RELIANCE UP TO THE GREATER OF THE AMOUNT ACTUALLY PAID BY YOU FOR THE OS COMPONENTS OR U.S.$5.00 .. EVEN IF ANY REMEDY FAILS ITS ESSENTIAL PURPOSE" | Nov 25 16:39 |
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| _doug | What does this mean in english ? | Nov 25 16:39 |
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| _doug | LET A = 'actual damages', B = 'reasonable reliance', C = 'essential purpose', Results = NULL .. | Nov 25 16:41 |
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| _doug | R = [NOT]C [OR]B [OR]A .. | Nov 25 16:42 |
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| _doug | therfore R always defaults to ZERO .. yea .. I'm confused ... ;] | Nov 25 16:42 |
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| schestowitz | They won't sue | Nov 25 16:42 |
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| schestowitz | I think it's not enforceable and unconstitutional (in the US), but no-one challenged it, AFAIK. | Nov 25 16:43 |
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| schestowitz | Did Groklaw write anything about Microsoft's EULA? | Nov 25 16:43 |
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| _doug | So it's $5.00 or your money back .. :) | Nov 25 16:51 |
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| _doug | Has any analysis of these EULAs been done elsewhere ? | Nov 25 16:55 |
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| _doug | I don't mean EnderleFUD, I mean in reference as to what 'protection' the enduser receives .. ? | Nov 25 16:56 |
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| schestowitz | _doug: yes, I know a simple English version | Nov 25 16:56 |
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| schestowitz | [H]omer has it in his site too. | Nov 25 16:56 |
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| schestowitz | Got it: http://slated.org/windows_xp_eula_in_plain_english | Nov 25 16:57 |
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| Omar87 | schestowitz: So, what's that Bilski case? | Nov 25 16:57 |
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| _doug | http://www.groklaw.net/articlebasic.php?story=20... | Nov 25 17:08 |
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| schestowitz | Omar87: it could end a lot of software patents. | Nov 25 17:09 |
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| schestowitz | It's good precedence. | Nov 25 17:10 |
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| schestowitz | Bilski is the name of the guy whose patent was challenged. | Nov 25 17:10 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.theinquirer.net/gb/inquirer/news/2008... ( Greenpeace names and shames top polluters ) | Nov 25 17:46 |
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| PetoKraus | who's alexH? | Nov 25 17:47 |
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| PetoKraus | except being douchebag | Nov 25 17:47 |
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| schestowitz | Forker of Novell HUla | Nov 25 17:47 |
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| schestowitz | bbl | Nov 25 17:56 |
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| PetoKraus | hmm i am watching the w7 promo once again | Nov 25 18:37 |
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| PetoKraus | man, that window management is gonna be messy | Nov 25 18:37 |
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| PetoKraus | every tab in IE displayed as a separate popup icon... DUH | Nov 25 18:37 |
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| MinceR | wm5 already lists every opera tab as a separate window :> | Nov 25 18:38 |
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| PetoKraus | wm5? | Nov 25 18:39 |
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| PetoKraus | windows mobile? | Nov 25 18:39 |
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| PetoKraus | isn't it cluttered? | Nov 25 18:39 |
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| MinceR | yes and yes it is | Nov 25 18:40 |
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| MinceR | though by default it doesn't ship with any actual window lists | Nov 25 18:40 |
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| twitter | Vista EULA, "Malicious Software Removal/Clean On Upgrade. Before installation of the software, the | Nov 25 18:50 |
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| twitter | software will check and remove certain malicious software listed at | Nov 25 18:50 |
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| twitter | http://www.support.microsoft.com/?kbid=890830 (“Malware”) from your device. When the | Nov 25 18:50 |
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| twitter | software checks your device for Malware, a report will be sent to Microsoft about any | Nov 25 18:50 |
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| twitter | Malware detected or errors that occurred while the software was checking for Malware." | Nov 25 18:50 |
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| twitter | Basically, they can remove any software they want. | Nov 25 18:50 |
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| MinceR | sounds like crApple to me. | Nov 25 18:51 |
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| twitter | If it's like the XP EULA, they have also granted themselves permission to change the EULA at any time without notifying you. | Nov 25 18:51 |
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| twitter | All non free software is like this. | Nov 25 18:52 |
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| twitter | Control of people is the purpose of hiding the workings of software. | Nov 25 18:52 |
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| twitter | Vista EULA, "Use of Information. Microsoft may use the computer information, error reports, and Malwar | Nov 25 18:56 |
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| twitter | reports to improve our software and services. We may also share it with others, such as | Nov 25 18:56 |
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| twitter | hardware and software vendors. " | Nov 25 18:56 |
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| twitter | Vista is spyware. The above grants them an unlimited right to inspect and report the contents of your computer. | Nov 25 18:57 |
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| trmanco | this is a beauty -> http://slated.org/files/Logfile.full.CSV.txt | Nov 25 18:57 |
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| PetoKraus | you mean the 403? | Nov 25 18:58 |
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| trmanco | hun? | Nov 25 18:59 |
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| twitter | ah ha, the Vista privacy agreement is separate. http://go.microsoft.com/fwli... | Nov 25 19:00 |
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| trmanco | forbidden? | Nov 25 19:00 |
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| PetoKraus | trmanco: yup | Nov 25 19:00 |
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| trmanco | PetoKraus, http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/... | Nov 25 19:01 |
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| twitter | misdirection, privacy statement is here http://www.microsoft.com/windowsvista... | Nov 25 19:01 |
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| trmanco | don't know why, I just opened it | Nov 25 19:01 |
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| trmanco | all working fine here | Nov 25 19:01 |
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| twitter | " The personal information we collect from you will be used by Microsoft and its controlled subsidiaries" | Nov 25 19:02 |
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| twitter | " Microsoft may disclose personal information about you if required to do so by law or in the good faith belief that such action is necessary to: (a) comply with the law or legal process served on Microsoft; (b) protect and defend the rights of Microsoft (including enforcement of our agreements); or (c) act in urgent circumstances to protect the personal safety of Microsoft employees, users of Microsoft software or services, or me | Nov 25 19:04 |
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| twitter | Urgent circumstances exist all the time: http://slashdot.org/~twitter/jo... | Nov 25 19:04 |
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| twitter | whatever changes they decide to make, we can be sure that the "right" to sell your information will continue to be granted. | Nov 25 19:06 |
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| kevin_ | hey guys, do you think microsoft is going to try and bring the concept of disposable non-transferrable OEM licenses to linux? | Nov 25 19:06 |
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| twitter | M$ will encumber free software anyway they can. | Nov 25 19:07 |
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| kevin_ | that sort of thing really males me angry... it's like they're stealing back what you've paid for | Nov 25 19:07 |
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| kevin_ | makes* | Nov 25 19:07 |
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| twitter | free software has provisions against that kind of theft. | Nov 25 19:07 |
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| kevin_ | yep | Nov 25 19:08 |
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| twitter | copy left insures you get the same rights as the OEM did. | Nov 25 19:08 |
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| kevin_ | it would be like company x selling you a stereo and prohibbiting you from hooking the speakers up to company y's stereo when the receiver in x fails | Nov 25 19:09 |
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| twitter | Creative, Apple and other hardware makers do that kind of thing. | Nov 25 19:09 |
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| kevin_ | yep... so do the CD burner makers | Nov 25 19:10 |
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| kevin_ | i just don't understand why people aren't outraged by it | Nov 25 19:10 |
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| kevin_ | i guess it is because they don't know about it :) | Nov 25 19:10 |
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| twitter | because the conspirators are being careful to tighten the nose slowly. | Nov 25 19:10 |
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| twitter | damage has been done to hardware sales. | Nov 25 19:11 |
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| kevin_ | apparently they even tie the software to the BIOS in the machine to sabatoge people | Nov 25 19:11 |
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| twitter | No one wants to buy a large screen TV when they know about revocation lists and are unsure it will work. | Nov 25 19:12 |
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| kevin_ | heh... i didn't know that can happen to TVs... i just thought it was blu-ray/hd dvd players | Nov 25 19:12 |
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| twitter | This uncertainty helped destroy CompUSA and Circuit City. | Nov 25 19:13 |
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| kevin_ | *remembers reading about divix and laughs* | Nov 25 19:13 |
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| twitter | Almost every music rental service has failed besides satellite radio, and that is not doing as well as plain old CDs. | Nov 25 19:14 |
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| twitter | The more difficult DRM makes legitimate content, the less they can sell. | Nov 25 19:14 |
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| twitter | Even plain old CDs are not selling well. | Nov 25 19:15 |
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| kevin_ | even if I wanted to subscribe to a service like that, i wouldn't because they use Microsoft's WMA format and I would be locked in the OEM license game just to listen to my music | Nov 25 19:15 |
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| kevin_ | i still buy cds | Nov 25 19:16 |
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| kevin_ | it's the only legal way to have lossless files and not be tied to a specific OS | Nov 25 19:16 |
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| twitter | Universities abandoned the rental service because no one used them, even when they were provided for "free" (non voluntary, universal fees levied) | Nov 25 19:17 |
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| kevin_ | they shouldn't be including stuff like that in university fees though | Nov 25 19:18 |
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| twitter | The US household average for music purchases is about $15/year. | Nov 25 19:18 |
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| twitter | Most people just don't buy canned music. | Nov 25 19:18 |
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| kevin_ | all of the cds I've purchased in recent years were released over 20 years ago :) | Nov 25 19:19 |
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| twitter | You can visit the internet archive or creative commons to find new music. There are also several streaming music services. | Nov 25 19:20 |
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| twitter | Oh dear, M$FT is back under $20 and falling with the rest of the market. http://finance.google.com/finance?q=NASDAQ:MSFT | Nov 25 19:22 |
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| kevin_ | is that good or bad? | Nov 25 19:22 |
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| twitter | It is good that M$ dies. It is bad that everyone else suffers. | Nov 25 19:23 |
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| twitter | almost everyone that is. | Nov 25 19:23 |
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| twitter | M$'s problems are long standing. | Nov 25 19:23 |
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| kevin_ | are you talking about the people who indirectly work for ms? | Nov 25 19:24 |
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| kevin_ | pc repair shops, tech support, etc | Nov 25 19:24 |
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| twitter | Those people will all do better with software freedom. | Nov 25 19:24 |
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| twitter | The sooner M$ dies, the better off everyone else in the industry will be. | Nov 25 19:25 |
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| kevin_ | apparently they learned their lesson from vista though and 7 will have lower sysreqs | Nov 25 19:25 |
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| _doug | a falling market, will hot everyone. M$ does have a certain dollar value attached to it, from stock holders, investors etc .. | Nov 25 19:25 |
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| twitter | Windows 7 is still a pig according to benchmarks. | Nov 25 19:25 |
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| twitter | People who invest in monopoly greed will be screwed the same way customers, OEMs and employees are. | Nov 25 19:26 |
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| PetoKraus | twitter: i hope it'll remain so :) | Nov 25 19:26 |
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| kevin_ | one of the reasons I refuse to get vista is because of stuff like PVP... but i bet that will be in the next version too | Nov 25 19:27 |
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| PetoKraus | i don't think they'll be able to pull of such a massive speed improvement | Nov 25 19:27 |
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| kevin_ | it would have to be for backword-compatibility's sake | Nov 25 19:27 |
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| PetoKraus | the funny thing is, they tout, that W7 will be able to run on netbooks. BOLLOCKS i say | Nov 25 19:27 |
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| twitter | They worked on Vista for six years. I doubt they can fix it in two. | Nov 25 19:27 |
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| twitter | Performance matters less than freedom, however. | Nov 25 19:28 |
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| PetoKraus | yeah | Nov 25 19:28 |
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| kevin_ | that is why i am greatful for wine | Nov 25 19:28 |
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| PetoKraus | kevin_: i am not, to be honest. They did nice job, but it's way of bringing proprietary software to linux | Nov 25 19:28 |
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| PetoKraus | i don't like mixing apples with pears | Nov 25 19:28 |
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| twitter | DRM, patent and EULA encumbered Suse, for example, is not as good as distributions without those problems. | Nov 25 19:29 |
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| twitter | It is good to be able to run non free software that you need in a free environment. | Nov 25 19:29 |
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| kevin_ | i agree in part, but it doesn't bother me as much to run, say proprietary games because if they pull stunts like the above mentioned, my PC won't become a doorstop | Nov 25 19:29 |
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| PetoKraus | every distribution has its own problems, though. Beranger could talk craploads | Nov 25 19:30 |
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| twitter | craploads | Nov 25 19:30 |
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| PetoKraus | kevin_: well, games :) | Nov 25 19:30 |
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| PetoKraus | that's the only case when I actually take my external sata HDD with XP installed for a walk | Nov 25 19:30 |
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| PetoKraus | happened twice in last two years. | Nov 25 19:31 |
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| PetoKraus | the culprit was Deus Ex (1&2) | Nov 25 19:31 |
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| kevin_ | deus ex 1 can run great in wine... not 2 | Nov 25 19:31 |
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| PetoKraus | yes, it can, but it's quite annoying... | Nov 25 19:31 |
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| kevin_ | i play it all the time | Nov 25 19:31 |
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| PetoKraus | i used to use wine for games | Nov 25 19:31 |
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| PetoKraus | but then I switched to open-source ATI driver | Nov 25 19:31 |
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| PetoKraus | priority shift | Nov 25 19:31 |
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| PetoKraus | there are nice Linux games, though | Nov 25 19:32 |
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| twitter | I'd rather have games run native and free like ID does. | Nov 25 19:32 |
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| kevin_ | oh... ouch... i used to use ATI and it was not fun | Nov 25 19:32 |
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| PetoKraus | Nexuiz, OpenArena and WarSow being FPS examples | Nov 25 19:32 |
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| PetoKraus | Dune Legacy and Ufo: Alien Invasion being great reworks of old RTS's | Nov 25 19:32 |
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| PetoKraus | and OpenTTD ;) | Nov 25 19:32 |
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| PetoKraus | kevin_: ATI is good now. | Nov 25 19:33 |
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| twitter | When it comes to games, I don't mind having a non free console - but I won't hook it up where it can spy on my network. | Nov 25 19:33 |
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| PetoKraus | you get better, much better support for older hardware | Nov 25 19:33 |
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| PetoKraus | and decent support for the brand-new one (in fglrx only, though) | Nov 25 19:33 |
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| twitter | I don't have money to play games and music right now. :'( | Nov 25 19:34 |
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| twitter | When I do have money, I'll make a mythTV box and hook it to a projector. | Nov 25 19:34 |
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| PetoKraus | well music | Nov 25 19:34 |
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| kevin_ | i stopped buying games because the last one put hidden drivers on my pc | Nov 25 19:34 |
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| kevin_ | but it's nice to be able to play all the old ones in linux | Nov 25 19:34 |
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| PetoKraus | i am sorry to say, that majority of my music collection is purely uhm, uhm legal.... | Nov 25 19:35 |
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| twitter | If mythTV does not satisfy my urge to play games, I'll get a wii or PS3 | Nov 25 19:35 |
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| twitter | Creative Commons is both legal and ethical. | Nov 25 19:35 |
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| PetoKraus | yes... | Nov 25 19:35 |
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| kevin_ | get a wii... don't support the company that put rootkits on peoples' machines :) | Nov 25 19:35 |
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| PetoKraus | consoles are consoles | Nov 25 19:35 |
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| kevin_ | i have neither of them though | Nov 25 19:36 |
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| PetoKraus | me neither | Nov 25 19:36 |
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| PetoKraus | i don't game that much. I used to be addicted, so :P | Nov 25 19:36 |
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| twitter | The inlaws beat me to getting a Wii | Nov 25 19:36 |
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| twitter | it's fun | Nov 25 19:36 |
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| twitter | it also tells you to go play outside | Nov 25 19:36 |
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| twitter | I think I'll go do that now. | Nov 25 19:37 |
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| twitter | bbl | Nov 25 19:37 |
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| PetoKraus | our CS students are doing funny game | Nov 25 19:37 |
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| PetoKraus | it's based on wireless signal | Nov 25 19:37 |
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| PetoKraus | basically you run around Glasgow's west end and send pictures of stuff | Nov 25 19:37 |
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| kevin_ | cool | Nov 25 19:38 |
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| PetoKraus | and receive pictures of stuff and you have to confirm the location | Nov 25 19:38 |
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| PetoKraus | it's based on SSID & GSM signal hashing, AFAIK | Nov 25 19:38 |
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| PetoKraus | they are developing the tech for third or fourth year now, it's one of the PhD's work | Nov 25 19:38 |
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| PetoKraus | obviously, they get nice funding, so they can pay the folks playing | Nov 25 19:38 |
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| kevin_ | i think it would be a good idea to build a device like a tivo that has a usb port on the front and one can plug an ipod in and transfer video to it | Nov 25 19:39 |
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| kevin_ | that would make a lot of money | Nov 25 19:39 |
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| PetoKraus | well | Nov 25 19:40 |
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| PetoKraus | make it a round table | Nov 25 19:40 |
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| PetoKraus | and make it wireless | Nov 25 19:40 |
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| PetoKraus | SURFACE (tm)! | Nov 25 19:40 |
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| kevin_ | that's the thing ms is building right? with the multi-touch screen | Nov 25 19:41 |
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| PetoKraus | well.... yes | Nov 25 19:41 |
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| kevin_ | i saw a video on youtube where someone was doing that with compiz fusion | Nov 25 19:41 |
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| PetoKraus | http://cenriqueortiz.com/images/microsoft-sur... | Nov 25 19:41 |
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| PetoKraus | touchscreens are horrid | Nov 25 19:41 |
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| PetoKraus | i hate them | Nov 25 19:41 |
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| kevin_ | PetoKraus: are you a professor? | Nov 25 19:43 |
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| PetoKraus | :D not really | Nov 25 19:43 |
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| PetoKraus | do i sound like? | Nov 25 19:44 |
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| kevin_ | no... but when you said "our CS students" it made me think so | Nov 25 19:44 |
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| PetoKraus | ah, yes... i meant CS students from my school... | Nov 25 19:44 |
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| trmanco | http://marc.info/?l=linux-nfsv4&am... | Nov 25 20:25 |
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| ReverseGTR | greetings ya'll, I have not been on here for quite awhile so can anyone shed some light on the curcumstances that created this court case and verdict? http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20081124-final... | Nov 25 21:04 |
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| ReverseGTR | I see that it stemmed off from a lawsuit against IBM: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SCO_v._IBM | Nov 25 21:06 |
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| ReverseGTR | what I don't get is how and why 2 companies heavily subsidized by M$ would get entangled like this and to whos benefit? | Nov 25 21:07 |
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| _doug | heavly subsidized, who IBM ? | Nov 25 21:10 |
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| ReverseGTR | _doug: SCO and Novell | Nov 25 21:10 |
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| ReverseGTR | _doug: well M$ really only granted capital to them to help with legal and marketing expenses I assume | Nov 25 21:11 |
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| _doug | Well SCO is just a stalking horse for MS, and the Novell MS agreement is more recent .. | Nov 25 21:11 |
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| _doug | Well, if SCO owns Unix, then that means Novell don't own SuSE .. | Nov 25 21:12 |
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| ReverseGTR | _doug: but SCO didn't hold onto the copyright for the SRVX Unix code | Nov 25 21:13 |
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| ReverseGTR | _doug: they lost, badly, to Novell. | Nov 25 21:13 |
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| _doug | that's what his honour said .. | Nov 25 21:13 |
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| ReverseGTR | _doug: so your saying it may grant Novell to create their own updates and copyright them? | Nov 25 21:14 |
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| ReverseGTR | _doug: where does the GPL come into this? | Nov 25 21:14 |
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| _doug | For Novell? .. it doesn't .. | Nov 25 21:15 |
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| _doug | GPL 3 covers upstream patent issues .. | Nov 25 21:15 |
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| _doug | ReverseGTR: Novell copyright what ? | Nov 25 21:17 |
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| ReverseGTR | _doug: so they are suffering from a Apple sindrome where they see those who market Linux and create their own repos as Canonical's Ubuntu the enemy, when they don't see the M$ infested zombie in the room | Nov 25 21:17 |
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| _doug | what license did Novell release SRVX source ? | Nov 25 21:18 |
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| schestowitz | hey, ReverseGTR. wb | Nov 25 21:18 |
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| ReverseGTR | _doug: they seem to be the exclusive proprieters or licensees of it now, thanks to the court case | Nov 25 21:19 |
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| ReverseGTR | schestowitz: not much, just getting ready for the holidays... which include earning extra at a part time job above actually buying much | Nov 25 21:19 |
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| schestowitz | PetoKraus: slated.org rejects some browsers. You ain't using IE, right? | Nov 25 21:20 |
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| PetoKraus | :D ffx | Nov 25 21:21 |
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| _doug | http://www.masterliness.com/a/T... | Nov 25 21:21 |
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| PetoKraus | it may be my ISP | Nov 25 21:21 |
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| PetoKraus | YOUR ACCESS TO THIS WEBSITE HAS BEEN BLOCKED | Nov 25 21:21 |
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| PetoKraus | Access to this website has been blocked because your ISP is one known to be using Webwise. | Nov 25 21:21 |
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| PetoKraus | To restore full access to this site, please move to a Phorm-free Internet Service Provider. | Nov 25 21:21 |
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| _doug | "there is also the significant portions of SVRx code base that are covered by BSD copyrights and public domain" | Nov 25 21:21 |
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| PetoKraus | [H]omer: honestly, man! | Nov 25 21:21 |
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| ReverseGTR | _doug: Berkley University should sue all the nix vendors | Nov 25 21:23 |
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| _doug | :) | Nov 25 21:23 |
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| schestowitz | kevin_: Vista 7 has the same reqs as Vista, if not worse [still catching us] | Nov 25 21:23 |
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| ReverseGTR | schestowitz: yippie and it looks more like OSX too | Nov 25 21:24 |
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| PetoKraus | we shall see how it ends up | Nov 25 21:24 |
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| PetoKraus | it's funny to see all this copying | Nov 25 21:24 |
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| PetoKraus | it's like - alright, Vista is clean rip off Mac Os X | Nov 25 21:24 |
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| schestowitz | PetoKraus: yes, ATI is good now and we can reward them by buying AMD. | Nov 25 21:25 |
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| PetoKraus | KDE 4 is pretty innovative.... but some of the features are already implemented by E17 for years, and by Compiz as well | Nov 25 21:25 |
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| PetoKraus | E17 is quite a nice rip off of Mac Os X... or was it the other way around? | Nov 25 21:26 |
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| PetoKraus | at least the dock part is.... | Nov 25 21:26 |
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| _doug | ReverseGTR: Bell Labs sued Berkley .. and lost ... | Nov 25 21:26 |
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| PetoKraus | i though Berkley was university for artists. Duh :) | Nov 25 21:26 |
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| schestowitz | kevin_:Surface is just a peripheral. There's no real SDK yet. GNU/Linux could do it before Microsoft... several research groups did. | Nov 25 21:26 |
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| schestowitz | But Microsoft is a marketing company, so hey! It wasn't invested until Microsoft muscled some journos | Nov 25 21:27 |
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| _doug | ReverseGTR: so SCO UNIX was actually line by line copied into BSDunix .. | Nov 25 21:28 |
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| ReverseGTR | _doug: brilliant is there a company out there that doesn't want to kill open software development? | Nov 25 21:28 |
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| ReverseGTR | for their own benefit | Nov 25 21:28 |
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| _doug | Only the one ... | Nov 25 21:28 |
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| schestowitz | PetoKraus: *LOL* Phorm is crime. | Nov 25 21:29 |
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| ReverseGTR | PetoKraus: docks have been around before OSX | Nov 25 21:29 |
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| schestowitz | In the news today: http://techdirt.com/articles/200811... | Nov 25 21:29 |
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| schestowitz | "Is it really so hard to allow open discussion on such a topic? If BT believes that it's reasonable to use the technology, then why not explain why clearly, responding to the critics? The only reason to erase these discussions is if BT knows that what's it's doing is highly questionable, and BT would rather not have to explain itself." | Nov 25 21:29 |
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| PetoKraus | yes, but I'd like to see [H]omer's page ;) | Nov 25 21:30 |
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| schestowitz | BT:Bunch of Turds (and gagsters). Censor *THIS*, BT. | Nov 25 21:30 |
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| _doug | BT is blocking a Phorm blocking device ? | Nov 25 21:30 |
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| PetoKraus | and i kind of refuse to rape some japanese proxy to get there.... | Nov 25 21:30 |
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| _doug | http://www.groklaw.net/pdf/USLsett... | Nov 25 21:30 |
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| ReverseGTR | schestowitz: Bit Torrent's people would sell out its open sourced efforts and users to turn a tiny profit now | Nov 25 21:31 |
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| schestowitz | ReverseGTR: Apple patented not the dock. | Nov 25 21:31 |
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| schestowitz | Just some stupid trivial extension. | Nov 25 21:31 |
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| schestowitz | Jobs brainfrat [sic] | Nov 25 21:31 |
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| ReverseGTR | schestowitz: you mean like how the icons jump like little epaleptic maniacs when you click them? | Nov 25 21:32 |
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| schestowitz | PetoKraus: http://schestowitz.com/proxy/ (u/p: open;proxy10) | Nov 25 21:33 |
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| ReverseGTR | _doug: what about a Chinese proxy? | Nov 25 21:33 |
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| PetoKraus | schestowitz: nice | Nov 25 21:33 |
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| PetoKraus | though that DOES count as raping someone's proxy ;) | Nov 25 21:34 |
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| _doug | Chinese proxy ? | Nov 25 21:34 |
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| ReverseGTR | _doug: yea, like that Firefox extension does | Nov 25 21:35 |
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| ReverseGTR | _doug: it is pretty much suppose to give people the experience of surfing the web in the way people in China experience it | Nov 25 21:35 |
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| ReverseGTR | _doug: like one giant AOL | Nov 25 21:36 |
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| schestowitz | How does one check if a site is blocked by the great firewall of China? | Nov 25 21:37 |
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| ReverseGTR | schestowitz: this: http://www.dslreports.com/shownews/Firefox-Add... | Nov 25 21:38 |
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| schestowitz | "Re: Nice political statement; but who would install it" | Nov 25 21:38 |
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| ReverseGTR | schestowitz: but it doesn't just Simulate like the page states, it literally hooks up your Firefox via proxy to an IP in Hong Kong. So be careful because the PRC will be tracking you | Nov 25 21:39 |
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| ReverseGTR | schestowitz: curious users | Nov 25 21:39 |
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| schestowitz | *LOL* | Nov 25 21:39 |
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| schestowitz | What's the point of that? | Nov 25 21:39 |
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| ReverseGTR | schestowitz: to give people an idea what China blocks and appretiate the Uhmerican way | Nov 25 21:39 |
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| schestowitz | Is BN blocked? Can you check? | Nov 25 21:40 |
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| schestowitz | The trolls put BN and GL on Websense, allegedly.. or maybe it's a coincidence. | Nov 25 21:40 |
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| ReverseGTR | schestowitz: nope your page is not blocked by the PRC authorities | Nov 25 21:41 |
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| ReverseGTR | schestowitz: I don't really care because I know my IP or at least my ISP permits NSA easedropping :P | Nov 25 21:42 |
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| ReverseGTR | schestowitz: I mean which major American ISP doesn't these days | Nov 25 21:43 |
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| ReverseGTR | I even know where the closest NSA easedropping point is about a 15 minute drive away from me, perhaps I should stop by and say hi | Nov 25 21:45 |
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| ReverseGTR | to a bunch of machines, I hope I didn't effectively ostrasize myself from this channel for stating all that, cya | Nov 25 21:45 |
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| kevin_ | i just know i'm done paying for "licenses" that i can't move to a different pc... it's a scam | Nov 25 21:50 |
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| kevin_ | top | Nov 25 21:51 |
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| kevin_ | oops | Nov 25 21:51 |
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| schestowitz | What is this article with BN in Japanese? http://itpro.nikkeibp.co.jp/article/C... | Nov 25 21:57 |
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| schestowitz | What does that say? | Nov 25 21:57 |
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| schestowitz | Google expanding or laying off?? Confusing... Google In Search Talks With Russian Social Network < http://www.webpronews.com/topnews/2008/11/25/go... > | Nov 25 21:57 |
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| _doug | 'The deal appeared on a tiny Web site: "Boycott Novell" under the management of Roy Schestowitz, which said, "Novell and Microsoft would pursue their own path with Linux increasingly relegated to corner of the data center (effectivly running as guest on the Windows server). The virtualized Linux server paying for Windows regardless' | Nov 25 22:04 |
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| schestowitz | Well, that's SLES | Nov 25 22:07 |
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| _doug | DivX sues Yahoo over canceled ad agreement .. | Nov 25 22:08 |
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| _doug | http://www3.signonsandiego.com/stories/2008... | Nov 25 22:08 |
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| schestowitz | Yes, some days ago | Nov 25 22:09 |
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| schestowitz | Apple sued too just now, | Nov 25 22:09 |
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| GoblinRFD | Hi Roy (and everyone else) | Nov 25 22:11 |
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| schestowitz | hey there. | Nov 25 22:11 |
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| schestowitz | I've just spotted some very annoying comment from the Monovellsoft trols. | Nov 25 22:12 |
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| schestowitz | _doug: proxy password modified | Nov 25 22:12 |
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| schestowitz | Woohoo!! Not. British police to be equipped with 10,000 Tasers < http://www.heise.de/english/newsticker/news/119400 > My mate at the gym just told me it's 30k, not 10k | Nov 25 22:13 |
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| schestowitz | It was SHOCKING. | Nov 25 22:13 |
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| GoblinRFD | :) | Nov 25 22:14 |
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| schestowitz | Charge (up) the crooks. | Nov 25 22:14 |
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| GoblinRFD | Ive got a new quote......Im quite proud of it (although I modified it from another quote by a chap called George Galloway) | Nov 25 22:15 |
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| GoblinRFD | here | Nov 25 22:15 |
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| GoblinRFD | it goes: | Nov 25 22:15 |
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| schestowitz | New sadism toys for violent policemen. | Nov 25 22:15 |
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| GoblinRFD | "Leting MS into the opensource scene is like putting Count Dracula in charge of a blood bank" | Nov 25 22:15 |
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| GoblinRFD | and it takes pride of place with..... | Nov 25 22:16 |
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| GoblinRFD | "Computers are like air conditioning, open Windows and they dont work" | Nov 25 22:16 |
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| schestowitz | --Linus | Nov 25 22:16 |
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| GoblinRFD | I got the second one from Gutsy Geeks | Nov 25 22:16 |
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| schestowitz | Unoriginal then. :-) | Nov 25 22:16 |
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| GoblinRFD | and the first was modified from a comment George Galloway made about Tony Blair. | Nov 25 22:16 |
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| GoblinRFD | The first is original....ish | Nov 25 22:17 |
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| schestowitz | Microsoft 'bribes' FOSS people to open gates | Nov 25 22:17 |
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| schestowitz | Patent disputes about chip technologies < http://www.heise.de/english/newsti... > | Nov 25 22:19 |
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| GoblinRFD | Sorry if Im disturbing any conversations, but here is an excellent short clip for any Startrek fans (its a BSOD joke) | Nov 25 22:19 |
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| GoblinRFD | http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=r36TcG5XZDg | Nov 25 22:19 |
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| schestowitz | Apple Sued For Patent Infringement < http://www.webpronews.com/topnews/2008/11/24... > "An attorney for EMG, Stanley Gibson said U.S. Patent No. 7,441,196 is one of five patents for navigating the Internet on mobile devices and Internet Protocol Television. (IPTV)" | Nov 25 22:19 |
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| schestowitz | Oh yeah... I have the GIF | Nov 25 22:20 |
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| kevin_ | hey wait a minute... last time i checked, my laptop is a mobile device :) | Nov 25 22:20 |
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| GoblinRFD | Have you read over on MS-Watch Joe thinks that there may be a branded MS phone. | Nov 25 22:21 |
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| kevin_ | and PDA's have been around for a long long time | Nov 25 22:21 |
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| schestowitz | I'll the vid to the next batch of links | Nov 25 22:21 |
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| GoblinRFD | I have WM on an MDA Mail. | Nov 25 22:21 |
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| GoblinRFD | It was the worst experience I ever had. | Nov 25 22:21 |
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| schestowitz | I hardly read Joe anymore... no original news there... just PR echo | Nov 25 22:22 |
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| schestowitz | Microsoft has just invented the phone. | Nov 25 22:22 |
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| GoblinRFD | I cant work Joe out, he sometimes prints articles overly pro and other times seems to poke fun at them. | Nov 25 22:22 |
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| schestowitz | I used to feed him with comments, but I stopped. | Nov 25 22:23 |
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| schestowitz | Better to stay out of Microsoft turf... leads to trolling, annoyance and draws attention to them.. | Nov 25 22:23 |
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| GoblinRFD | I think whatever he is, he is quite good at creating discussion. | Nov 25 22:23 |
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| schestowitz | He's from JupiterResearch... Microsoft shills... Gartenberg and all... bunch of propaganda worse then Gartner. | Nov 25 22:24 |
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| GoblinRFD | Heres the MS comment of the day over on MSwatch " Microsoft is perfectly happy to partner with and support open source companies." | Nov 25 22:25 |
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| GoblinRFD | Roy, I meant to ask, do you have a list of apps that use Mono? I believe Tomboy and Evolution do, but Im trying to find out all. | Nov 25 22:26 |
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| schestowitz | Haha. | Nov 25 22:27 |
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| schestowitz | As long as they run on Windows and uses Microsoft's API that Microsoft controls. | Nov 25 22:27 |
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| schestowitz | IOW, Microsoft loves free labour | Nov 25 22:27 |
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| GoblinRFD | That comment was made by a confessed MS employee called Jess Meats | Nov 25 22:27 |
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| schestowitz | Evolution has plguins written in Mono, but the core is clean. | Nov 25 22:27 |
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| GoblinRFD | Ah. | Nov 25 22:28 |
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| schestowitz | Microsoft employee: "we nice and cuddly. Come, come,don't be afraid" | Nov 25 22:28 |
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| GoblinRFD | Or the proverbial clown from the film IT offering balloons to kids in the sewers. | Nov 25 22:28 |
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| schestowitz | Microsoft management (meanwhile): "Linux violated 235 of our patents and we'll sue if vendors don't pay... and use our APIs" | Nov 25 22:28 |
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| schestowitz | It's like approaching a clan of cannibals because the 10 year-old kids from there invite you... they ain't headhunters yet | Nov 25 22:29 |
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| GoblinRFD | "They all float down here" | Nov 25 22:31 |
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| *_doug has quit () | Nov 25 22:32 |
| GoblinRFD | Do you listen to Linux Outlaws? Just listening to the latest ep. Very good. | Nov 25 22:33 |
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| kevin_ | yep | Nov 25 22:33 |
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| kevin_ | it's a good show | Nov 25 22:33 |
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| GoblinRFD | great chemistry between the two presenters | Nov 25 22:33 |
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| kevin_ | funny... i'm listening to it too | Nov 25 22:33 |
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| GoblinRFD | lol | Nov 25 22:33 |
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| GoblinRFD | Im 40mins into the latest show! | Nov 25 22:34 |
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| kevin_ | that microwatch music reminds me of that song from the "80s, "safety dance" or something like that | Nov 25 22:34 |
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| GoblinRFD | Have you heard the Gutsy Geeks theme? Its very good. | Nov 25 22:34 |
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| kevin_ | yes | Nov 25 22:34 |
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| kevin_ | by bad religion | Nov 25 22:35 |
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| GoblinRFD | is it? Ive been looking for it. | Nov 25 22:35 |
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| GoblinRFD | I thought it was something they made. | Nov 25 22:35 |
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| kevin_ | i think they should interview someone from xiph.org | Nov 25 22:35 |
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| kevin_ | i suggested it a month or so ago in fact | Nov 25 22:35 |
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| GoblinRFD | That Bad religion song, do you know what its called? | Nov 25 22:36 |
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| kevin_ | nope | Nov 25 22:36 |
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| kevin_ | i'm sure you can find the name of it by searching for "bad religion computer song" | Nov 25 22:36 |
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| GoblinRFD | yep | Nov 25 22:37 |
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| GoblinRFD | http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=rBK3zME1aqk | Nov 25 22:37 |
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| GoblinRFD | That will be ringtone in a few mins | Nov 25 22:38 |
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| kevin_ | hehe | Nov 25 22:38 |
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| GoblinRFD | Kevin, are you UK? The reason I ask is that MS seem to be hammering UK tv with Im a pc ads. | Nov 25 22:40 |
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| GoblinRFD | have you noticed? (if youre from the UK that is) | Nov 25 22:41 |
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| kevin_ | those ads are SO annoying | Nov 25 22:41 |
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| kevin_ | i'm in the US | Nov 25 22:41 |
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| GoblinRFD | ah | Nov 25 22:41 |
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| GoblinRFD | The wife doesnt understand them. | Nov 25 22:41 |
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| GoblinRFD | although that doesnt say alot. She thought Ubuntu was written by Microsoft. | Nov 25 22:41 |
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| kevin_ | i would like to see bumper stickers that say "i'm a PC and I'm not running windows" | Nov 25 22:42 |
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| GoblinRFD | I corrected her. I told here that was OpenSUSE. | Nov 25 22:42 |
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| GoblinRFD | *edit Here should read "her" | Nov 25 22:42 |
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| schestowitz | Welte vid (loooks like some win32 laptops among the audience): http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS82243... | Nov 25 22:44 |
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| kevin_ | is it just me, or are there more windows ads on tv than there were when xp came out? | Nov 25 22:45 |
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| kevin_ | truth be told i'm not a big TV watcher though | Nov 25 22:45 |
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| schestowitz | I see lots of XBox ads... and Wii | Nov 25 22:46 |
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| MinceR | nice song | Nov 25 22:46 |
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| schestowitz | Funny lyrics | Nov 25 22:47 |
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| schestowitz | Just got this msg: "Here Linux.com has published an advertisement dressed as an article and featuring an MS talking point recently being spread around the net: http://www.linux.com/feature/153229? If the editors can't admit their mistake, I'd have to say that's the end for Linux.com. But maybe that was the goal? " | Nov 25 22:49 |
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| GoblinRFD | "but its inability to properly display documents created in the proprietary Microsoft Office formats hinders its widespread acceptance in multi-OS business environments with many legacy .doc and .xls files." | Nov 25 22:51 |
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| GoblinRFD | Not exactly a coding nightmare to fix though | Nov 25 22:51 |
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| Omar87 | lol, guys, you know Paltalk? | Nov 25 22:51 |
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| kevin_ | are those rumors about openoffice.org incorporating ads legit? | Nov 25 22:51 |
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| schestowitz | I think so. | Nov 25 22:52 |
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| schestowitz | Omar87: what about it? | Nov 25 22:52 |
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| Omar87 | Here's something hilarious about it. :) | Nov 25 22:52 |
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| Omar87 | http://www.computing.net/answers/linu... | Nov 25 22:52 |
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| GoblinRFD | I use AbiWord anyway. I have no need of all the open office features. | Nov 25 22:52 |
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| Omar87 | A very old comment for a guy/girl who contacted Paltalk asking for a version for Linux, just read what told him/her. :) | Nov 25 22:53 |
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| kevin_ | couldn't somebody just fork it? | Nov 25 22:53 |
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| kevin_ | and remove the ads | Nov 25 22:54 |
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| schestowitz | Legit Q: Is It McDonald's Responsibility To Stop Nude Photos From Getting Online? < http://techdirt.com/articles/200811... >> | Nov 25 22:55 |
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| schestowitz | oe ewilcox@buckeye-express.com | Nov 25 22:57 |
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| kevin_ | depends on if the nude photos were illegal... and... touch to decide one way or the other | Nov 25 22:57 |
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| kevin_ | tough* | Nov 25 22:57 |
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| schestowitz | "Sounds to me as if they are confusing stable with popularity. I'll bet the real reason they support Windows and not Linux is the roughly 90% Windows market share." | Nov 25 22:57 |
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| schestowitz | Ubiquity != popularity | Nov 25 22:57 |
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| schestowitz | Windows is unpopular, even among its own users | Nov 25 22:57 |
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| schestowitz | That's like saying "flu is popular" in winter | Nov 25 22:58 |
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| kevin_ | i remember reading an article where ms tried to say that if someone wanted to be "plays for sure" certified, they would only be able to support ms's media formats | Nov 25 22:59 |
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| kevin_ | that didn't fly though | Nov 25 22:59 |
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| MinceR | i like the flu analogy | Nov 25 23:00 |
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| GoblinRFD | Can I just ask out of interest. What distro are people running? Im Ubuntu 8.10 | Nov 25 23:01 |
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| MinceR | also, FailsForSure. ;) | Nov 25 23:01 |
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| kevin_ | same | Nov 25 23:01 |
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| MinceR | ubuntu 7.10 (getting ready to upgrade to 8.10) | Nov 25 23:01 |
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| MinceR | my desktop has 8.04, iirc | Nov 25 23:01 |
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| GoblinRFD | Roy? | Nov 25 23:01 |
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| MinceR | and the work machine has 8.04 | Nov 25 23:01 |
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| kevin_ | i was on 8.04, but had to upgrade to get my wifi card to work | Nov 25 23:01 |
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| MinceR | and my server is way behind but it's tricky to upgrade | Nov 25 23:01 |
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| MinceR | (the boot partition is too small and it breaks kernel upgrades so i'll have to save the whole thing, repartition and copy it back) | Nov 25 23:02 |
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| schestowitz | Mandriva here, Ubuntu at home (2 machines) and at work. | Nov 25 23:02 |
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| MinceR | (but that server is also the home router) | Nov 25 23:02 |
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| schestowitz | Fedora at the lab though. | Nov 25 23:02 |
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| MinceR | well, actually this is kubuntu | Nov 25 23:02 |
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| GoblinRFD | Ive been very happy since upgrading 8.04 - 8.10 - no issues at all. | Nov 25 23:02 |
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| schestowitz | http://fedoraproject.org/ screenie | Nov 25 23:03 |
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| MinceR | all my machines have kubuntu except the work machine started out as ubuntu and then i put kubuntu-desktop on it | Nov 25 23:03 |
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| MinceR | and the server has ubuntu server on it | Nov 25 23:03 |
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| MinceR | and there's an old pc around with win98se because the scanner i inherited only works with it :/ | Nov 25 23:03 |
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| GoblinRFD | Ive used NimbleX 2008 to bring back to life a few old machines, with great success aswell. | Nov 25 23:03 |
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| schestowitz | 2 of my machines are ubuntu w/ kde-desktop (not kubuntu-desktop | Nov 25 23:03 |
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| schestowitz | Mandrive 2008.1 is better | Nov 25 23:04 |
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| kevin_ | slax is pretty cool | Nov 25 23:04 |
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| MinceR | how is it better? | Nov 25 23:04 |
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| MinceR | there's also fedora 8 on my laptop (on another partition) but it isn't as polished as kubuntu | Nov 25 23:04 |
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| MinceR | i used it today while backing up the root filesystem though | Nov 25 23:04 |
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| GoblinRFD | Ubuntu - Satanic Edition is very good/funny aswell. Ive converted a few metallers to Linux with it! | Nov 25 23:05 |
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| MinceR | :) | Nov 25 23:05 |
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| kevin_ | i laughed when i saw it, but haven't installed it on anything yet | Nov 25 23:06 |
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| neighborlee | schestowitz, have they reversed position on livecd I wonder that or its the dvd who knows, but I can easily find out..at least they default to prompting you for the livecd,,either way at least debian is steering clear of mono in default gnome install in lenny. | Nov 25 23:06 |
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| GoblinRFD | btw if anyone wants that bad religion song, you can download the mp3 from here: http://www.mp3dimension.com/dl/74873/b... | Nov 25 23:06 |
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| GoblinRFD | cant find an OGG though :( | Nov 25 23:07 |
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| MinceR | thx | Nov 25 23:07 |
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| schestowitz | neighborlee: no decision changes that I know of.. | Nov 25 23:07 |
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| neighborlee | k | Nov 25 23:07 |
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| neighborlee | ill find out soon enough ;) | Nov 25 23:08 |
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| schestowitz | neighborlee: search for new screenie.. see if you spot Tomboy. | Nov 25 23:08 |
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| kevin_ | I'm thinking about putting a distro on a 16 gig sdhc card... that'd be sweet | Nov 25 23:08 |
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| neighborlee | schestowitz, well its on the main site screenshot at top of page, but no idea if its livecd or dvd or whatr | Nov 25 23:09 |
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| neighborlee | schestowitz, its the reguar installer it looks like..which is odd considering they default to installable livecd on download page so maybe this got up by accident who knows...very inconsistent behavior here. ( and I dont buy that its only a space issue as it was there in 8 ? and not in 9> shrug),,,but anyway that debian wont ship it to me is very key so maybe long as they hold out, others may follow we'll see | Nov 25 23:13 |
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| neighborlee | which is why debian testing is what im using. | Nov 25 23:14 |
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| neighborlee | lenny | Nov 25 23:14 |
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| PetoKraus | doh | Nov 25 23:15 |
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| PetoKraus | i am listening to the linux outlaws | Nov 25 23:15 |
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| PetoKraus | godness | Nov 25 23:15 |
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| PetoKraus | "Debian ported to G1" | Nov 25 23:16 |
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| PetoKraus | it's NOT A FUCKING PORT you MORONS | Nov 25 23:16 |
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| GoblinRFD | Just finished listening to Outlaws. Great show as always. | Nov 25 23:16 |
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| PetoKraus | well, i guess we may agree to disagree | Nov 25 23:17 |
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| schestowitz | PetoKraus: It can be customised | Nov 25 23:17 |
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| schestowitz | Same with e17 | Nov 25 23:17 |
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| PetoKraus | it's NOT A PORT | Nov 25 23:17 |
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| schestowitz | for EpenMono | Nov 25 23:17 |
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| MinceR | Outlaws can be customised? :> | Nov 25 23:17 |
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| PetoKraus | port means you take the code and compile it for different platform | Nov 25 23:17 |
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| schestowitz | *OpenMoko.. or Debian for Eee PC | Nov 25 23:17 |
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| PetoKraus | and take the code of all the apps, and compile & fix them for different platform | Nov 25 23:18 |
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| PetoKraus | since debian already runs on arm, it's not a port | Nov 25 23:18 |
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| schestowitz | Porting might involve recoding. | Nov 25 23:18 |
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| MinceR | iirc google did some support for this particular arm cpu though | Nov 25 23:18 |
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| neighborlee | PetoKraus, your caps key is getting stuck <wink> | Nov 25 23:18 |
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| PetoKraus | neighborlee: iT's ThE bLoOdY sHiFt, sOrRy ;P | Nov 25 23:19 |
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| neighborlee | :) | Nov 25 23:19 |
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| schestowitz | Shift? Move to automatic. | Nov 25 23:24 |
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| PetoKraus | nah, you get better performance with manual transmissions | Nov 25 23:24 |
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| PetoKraus | you didn't play racing games much, did you :P | Nov 25 23:24 |
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| schestowitz | Cheney and other extremists would be proud of their accomplishments: Amid bankruptcy fears, mood is subdued at L.A. Auto Show < http://www.cnn.com/2008/TECH/biztech/11/25/aut... > | Nov 25 23:25 |
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| schestowitz | PetoKraus: I played too much. | Nov 25 23:25 |
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| schestowitz | Oh gads... This Is Change? 20 Hawks, Clintonites and Neocons to Watch for in Obama's White House < http://www.alternet.org/waroniraq/10... > | Nov 25 23:26 |
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| PetoKraus | well obviously | Nov 25 23:26 |
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| PetoKraus | doh | Nov 25 23:26 |
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| schestowitz | More sweatshop treaty advocates... well... it could be worse... with Palin in power there would be slaughtering! :-) | Nov 25 23:26 |
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| PetoKraus | who did actually expect change? | Nov 25 23:27 |
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| PetoKraus | schestowitz: nah, just pr0n | Nov 25 23:27 |
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| schestowitz | GIMPed | Nov 25 23:27 |
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| PetoKraus | :) | Nov 25 23:27 |
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| PetoKraus | well, that's unusually good pun ;) | Nov 25 23:27 |
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| schestowitz | *LOL* "The Bush forces generals say that withdrawing the Bush from Iraq is impossible because it would take too much time to pull out all the expensive equipment they have put in place." < http://www.stallman.org/archives/2008-se... > | Nov 25 23:27 |
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| MinceR | automatic frees your attention to things that actually matter | Nov 25 23:28 |
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| PetoKraus | MinceR: like scenery? | Nov 25 23:28 |
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| MinceR | like traffic | Nov 25 23:28 |
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| schestowitz | MinceR: That's why Linux rules. | Nov 25 23:28 |
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| schestowitz | Windows = dysfunctional wizards (stick shift) | Nov 25 23:28 |
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| PetoKraus | MinceR: you just ignore the traffic. Especially in burnout ;) | Nov 25 23:28 |
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| MinceR | if you can afford a tank, yes | Nov 25 23:29 |
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| MinceR | but i don't think performance is much of an issue then | Nov 25 23:29 |
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| PetoKraus | hah | Nov 25 23:29 |
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| PetoKraus | i guess i should try playing UFO:ai tomorrow | Nov 25 23:29 |
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| *MinceR wants a tank with a serial hybrid engine | Nov 25 23:29 |
| neighborlee_ | change is bush gone and obama in..thats all the change we need to know ;) | Nov 25 23:30 |
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| schestowitz | BinIAA is in too. | Nov 25 23:31 |
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| schestowitz | Biden &$& MAFIAA | Nov 25 23:31 |
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| PetoKraus | hmm this is weird but | Nov 25 23:34 |
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| PetoKraus | i don't think multicultural, or, multiracial society really helps | Nov 25 23:34 |
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| PetoKraus | my attitude towards different cultures went actually quite down since I came here first time. Maybe it's caused by unpleasant experience | Nov 25 23:37 |
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| MinceR | the main problem is that they're all human | Nov 25 23:37 |
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| PetoKraus | yes they obviously are | Nov 25 23:37 |
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| PetoKraus | it's just, in slovakia, i'd be actually happy to talk to someone different | Nov 25 23:38 |
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| PetoKraus | it happened to me few times, i even abandoned my route and guided some indian guys to the place they were looking for | Nov 25 23:38 |
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| *schestowitz thinks that Matt Peckham guy from PC World seems to be doing lots of MS boosting | Nov 25 23:39 |
| PetoKraus | here, in britain, it's too messy though... it ceases to be funny when you wanna seriously shout at someone because your internet is not working or your gas bill is to high | Nov 25 23:39 |
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| PetoKraus | and you can't understand a thing what they are saying! | Nov 25 23:40 |
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| PetoKraus | i mean, I have no problems understanding scotsmen after a year, for goodness sake | Nov 25 23:40 |
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| PetoKraus | i hope it's just temporal.... | Nov 25 23:40 |
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| PetoKraus | i guess someone is filtering my traffic and punishing me for my opinions by 4sec lag | Nov 25 23:43 |
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| schestowitz | Apple Sued Over iPhone Browser < http://www.pcworld.com/article/154491... > | Nov 25 23:44 |
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| PetoKraus | oh god | Nov 25 23:45 |
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| PetoKraus | software patent | Nov 25 23:45 |
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| schestowitz | LinuxToday is teh br0ken | Nov 25 23:53 |
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| schestowitz | http://linuxtoday.com/news_story.php... | Nov 25 23:53 |
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| schestowitz | Oh, wait... it;s bad and it's super-slow. | Nov 25 23:54 |
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| MinceR | gn | Nov 25 23:56 |
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