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| twitter | People at M$ are freedom haters. | Jan 06 02:45 |
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| twitter | Someone gave me a Samsung picture frame for Christmas. It has a 480 x two hundred or so pixel display and a "Magic Pixel" MP600 chip set from China. Anyone heard of that? | Jan 06 02:48 |
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| schestowitz | Wow. BN's Netcraft rank leaped to 2800th on the Web :-D | Jan 06 08:44 |
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| schestowitz | re NIN best selling cc-licensed music: http://www.lessig.org/blog/2009/01... | Jan 06 09:14 |
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| schestowitz | China Adds Search Engines To Its Censorship-By-Guilt Plan; How Will Google Respond? < http://techdirt.com/articles/20090105/... > | Jan 06 09:21 |
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| schestowitz | "I have significant problems with any sort of compulsory licensing scheme, which basically gives the power to a tiny group of people to establish the business models and cost structures for an entire industry." < http://techdirt.com/articles/... > | Jan 06 09:22 |
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| schestowitz | OH NO! Linux.com is dead!! http://www.linux.com/feature/156093 | Jan 06 09:25 |
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| schestowitz | They're dropping like flies... Technocrat, GL, now Linux.com. | Jan 06 09:26 |
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| schestowitz | "For legal reasons, we can't tell you yet about what's coming -- but we're not joining forces with Microsoft or any other proprietary software company. As soon as we can tell you, you'll hear it here first." | Jan 06 09:27 |
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| schestowitz | Digital lockdown in Brazil proposed :-| http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&a... | Jan 06 09:36 |
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| schestowitz | Human rights don't come as gifts from above but through struggle from the bottom. | Jan 06 09:36 |
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| MinceR | geekings | Jan 06 09:37 |
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| schestowitz | Warner strangling truth: http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=pYZ1Scv6-t0&NR=1 | Jan 06 09:44 |
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| schestowitz | CEA: US Jobs at Risk in Free Trade Debate < http://www.pcworld.com/article/156368/cea_u... >. Maybe it's time for the US to go on and 'liberate' Venezuela from democracy.. for their oil. Biden calls Chavez "a dictator" despite him b being popular in a democratic country. | Jan 06 09:58 |
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| schestowitz | IT Execs Are Making Less < http://www.pcworld.com/article/156370/it_e... > | Jan 06 10:00 |
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| macabe | Hi Roy, Is there a problem with the link to the ODF pdf? | Jan 06 10:10 |
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| schestowitz | It seems like their site is down. | Jan 06 10:11 |
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| schestowitz | It's not responding. | Jan 06 10:11 |
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| macabe | OK, Thanks, will try later. | Jan 06 10:11 |
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| schestowitz | I thought about making a local copy at the time, but it's probably copyrighted or something (yet they try to maximise spread) | Jan 06 10:12 |
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| macabe | Most of the technical documents we write are in Open Document Format. There are people here at work that complain | Jan 06 10:15 |
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| macabe | They can't open them. I tell them to get a real Word Processor | Jan 06 10:15 |
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| schestowitz | Yes, it's natural | Jan 06 10:16 |
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| schestowitz | There are several. | Jan 06 10:16 |
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| schestowitz | MS ramble: http://www.internetnews.com/commentary/art... | Jan 06 10:53 |
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| schestowitz | That news from Brazil is worth writing about in English so that people can link to it. Uniqueness of reports counts, so maybe I'll have a go at it. | Jan 06 11:21 |
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| schestowitz | MOG: "SourceLabs, which had Microsoft connections despite its open source bent" | Jan 06 11:25 |
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| schestowitz | moody: "Trying to access Hyperspace site (http://www.hyperspace.com/) - says "You are not authorized to view this page"" Works fine now. | Jan 06 12:38 |
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| schestowitz | More Laid-Off Journos Becoming Entrepreneurs: New Model For Local News? < http://www.paidcontent.co.uk/entry/419-more-laid-off... > | Jan 06 12:43 |
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| twitter | Good for journalists. I'm sure they will be happy to compete with their former bosses and their idiotic editorial policies. Truth is on the way. | Jan 06 14:02 |
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| twitter | I found some more about my little picture frame. It's not encouraging. | Jan 06 14:03 |
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| twitter | The good news is that it's ARM, as I suspected. The bad news is that Magic Pixel does not have much information up and it's all delivered via IIS. | Jan 06 14:03 |
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| twitter | I don't think I'll be booting my picture frame to Debian any time soon. That's too bad, because it has about everything needed to be a netbook - a reasonable screen, USB hook ups and SD. | Jan 06 14:06 |
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| twitter | It would have been fun to wrap a flexible keyboard around the front and a mouse. | Jan 06 14:06 |
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| twitter | That would make an easy netbook for less than $100. | Jan 06 14:08 |
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| twitter | RAM might be a little low. | Jan 06 14:08 |
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| twitter | GPE should be able to work it. | Jan 06 14:08 |
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| twitter | Nifty interview. | Jan 06 14:10 |
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| twitter | Nice Palm article wrap up from yesterday. | Jan 06 14:49 |
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| twitter | One quibble though - Handspring pioneered the smart phone market with it's modules. I think they made Treo before Palm ate them back up. Yep, they did http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Handspri... | Jan 06 14:52 |
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| schestowitz | Aye. Journalists will lose their faces. Those who like a particular journalist can now follow him/her without a restraint. Glyn Moody is where I got this link, and he's a fine example. | Jan 06 14:54 |
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| schestowitz | I just had a long verbal conversation about this. It was very good. | Jan 06 14:55 |
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| twitter | " Palm has its work cut out for it. In its most recent quarter, Palm sold 599,000 smart phones, down 13 percent from the previous year. Apple, meanwhile, sold 6.9 million iPhones in its most recent quarter, while RIM shipped 6.7 million BlackBerrys." Ouch. | Jan 06 15:03 |
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| schestowitz | Yes, they do pretty well those binary bricks. | Jan 06 15:04 |
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| schestowitz | Android ought to have sold a million by Xmas. | Jan 06 15:04 |
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| schestowitz | bbl | Jan 06 15:11 |
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| twitter | later. When you get back, I'd like to know a little more about site statistics, which are very interesting this year. What's the OS breakdown? Are the hecklers the only people using IE? | Jan 06 15:14 |
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| twitter | McGraw-Hill troubles http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=206011... | Jan 06 16:08 |
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| schestowitz | It has just ocurred to me... doesn't Raven preside over 451 Group? | Jan 06 17:30 |
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| schestowitz | Well, one thing I wrote about before is how companies can employ as advisors analysts who do a favour | Jan 06 17:30 |
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| schestowitz | As in, let a study be conducted and reward with a consulting contracts | Jan 06 17:30 |
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| schestowitz | Well, another method worth secrutiny goes like this: "Run a 'study' to prove <X>, then charge large amount of money to get a copy, and companies X with its subsiaries Y and Z will 'secure' the investment by buying copies too, thus compensating rather than sponsoring." It's a lopphole | Jan 06 17:32 |
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| schestowitz | ""McGraw-Hill Cos., the owner of the Standard & Poor’s credit-rating service, cut 375 more jobs in the fourth quarter as the market slowdown and U.S. recession erode revenue." Madoffocket couldn't have helped much. | Jan 06 17:34 |
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| neighborlee | this mono guys are hilllarious..do they really think android is in anyway going to endorse their silly attempt at mono intrusion LOL | Jan 06 17:34 |
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| neighborlee | s/this/these | Jan 06 17:34 |
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| neighborlee | great post btw thx for that...about current comment from M$ about mono/novel o_0 | Jan 06 17:35 |
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| neighborlee | all this mono crud ranks right up there with burris nonsense. | Jan 06 17:35 |
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| schestowitz | I reckon it won't be long before directhex breaks the silence. | Jan 06 17:36 |
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| schestowitz | brb | Jan 06 17:36 |
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| Tallken | schestowitz, http://www.macrumorslive.com/ | Jan 06 17:37 |
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| Tallken | watch the hacked feed xD | Jan 06 17:37 |
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| schestowitz | It hardly responds. | Jan 06 17:41 |
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| Tallken | 4chan hacked the site | Jan 06 17:41 |
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| Tallken | at least it was as they identified | Jan 06 17:41 |
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| schestowitz | cracked? | Jan 06 17:41 |
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| schestowitz | :-) | Jan 06 17:41 |
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| Tallken | cracked, you're right :) | Jan 06 17:42 |
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| schestowitz | i hacked my sites yesterday... changed the banner. | Jan 06 17:42 |
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| Tallken | lol | Jan 06 17:42 |
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| Tallken | i know i know | Jan 06 17:42 |
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| schestowitz | From the "happy new year" one. | Jan 06 17:42 |
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| DarkUranium | well | Jan 06 17:42 |
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| schestowitz | Not it's GNU's not Linux | Jan 06 17:42 |
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| DarkUranium | TECHNICALLY | Jan 06 17:42 |
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| Tallken | cracker malicious intent, hacker, non malicious intent | Jan 06 17:42 |
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| schestowitz | *Now it's | Jan 06 17:42 |
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| DarkUranium | they cracked in order to hack :P | Jan 06 17:42 |
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| schestowitz | 4chan. | Jan 06 17:42 |
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| DarkUranium | I hacked some bread yesterday | Jan 06 17:43 |
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| DarkUranium | made some really nifty slices | Jan 06 17:43 |
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| Tallken | arstechnica responde afinal | Jan 06 17:43 |
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| Tallken | arstechnica is answering | Jan 06 17:44 |
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| Tallken | sorry | Jan 06 17:45 |
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| Tallken | wrong language :p | Jan 06 17:45 |
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| DarkUranium | use Bash next time, everybody understands that :P | Jan 06 17:45 |
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| schestowitz | Weird culture... http://zip.4chan.org/fa/res/657161.ht... | Jan 06 17:45 |
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| DarkUranium | or Python | Jan 06 17:45 |
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| schestowitz | Perl you can talk... but not understand or read | Jan 06 17:45 |
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| DarkUranium | eh | Jan 06 17:46 |
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| DarkUranium | I avoid 4chan like the plague | Jan 06 17:46 |
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| schestowitz | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/4chan | Jan 06 17:49 |
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| schestowitz | "4chan's Alexa rank is generally around 1000,[10] though it has been as high as number 56 at times.[11] 4chan is one of the Internet's most trafficked imageboards, according to The Los Angeles Times.[12]" | Jan 06 17:50 |
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| schestowitz | CNN's language got CR4acked again: Twitter accounts of Obama, Britney Spears hacked < http://edition.cnn.com/2009/TECH/01/05/twi... > | Jan 06 17:51 |
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| schestowitz | Maybe they spontaneously think of "crack" of a drug or something broken, but why not? | Jan 06 17:52 |
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| schestowitz | Wow, check out this comment from 2 mins ago: http://boycottnovell.com/2008/12/31/fudzil... | Jan 06 17:56 |
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| schestowitz | This is the guy who left the comment in some places and created a blog too. Uses RoadRunner and apparently lost his job at MS. "Microsoft is on a witch hunt to fire employees!" | Jan 06 17:57 |
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| schestowitz | In the mean time, using GNU/Linux will make it more difficult for Big Brother to search your computer. http://www.stallman.org/archives/2008-nov-feb.h... | Jan 06 17:59 |
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| DarkUranium | or better yet, unplug your LAN cable :) | Jan 06 18:01 |
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| schestowitz | How long for? | Jan 06 18:02 |
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| schestowitz | it's like ducking when a bomb falls on one's home... | Jan 06 18:02 |
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| neighborlee | hehe cute one about linux and searching , gotta love it . | Jan 06 18:05 |
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| schestowitz | Cronyism lives on. Haiti and the Dangers of ‘Responsibility to Protect’ < http://www.blackagendareport.com/index.php?option... >. Didn't they overthrow the government some while ago to turn Hawii into a Client State? | Jan 06 18:05 |
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| schestowitz | twitter is insecure too... http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/techno... | Jan 06 18:06 |
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| schestowitz | Stupid MSBBC... still with the word "hackers" | Jan 06 18:06 |
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| DarkUranium | well | Jan 06 18:08 |
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| DarkUranium | the book we use for learning english as school uses the word, too | Jan 06 18:08 |
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| DarkUranium | (not that I agree with the authors of the book, just saying) | Jan 06 18:09 |
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| schestowitz | Shooting the messenger: http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2009/01/05/se... | Jan 06 18:11 |
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| schestowitz | IDG News Service also wrongly says "hackers" http://www.pcworld.com/article/156407/hack... | Jan 06 18:39 |
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| schestowitz | Here's how you know the holidays are over: Mouse-maker Logitech to Cut 525 Salaried Employees < http://www.pcworld.com/article/156397/mousemaker_log... > | Jan 06 18:39 |
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| MinceR | strange, i _can_ read and understand perl | Jan 06 18:44 |
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| schestowitz | Some people say they can't. I just mostly use it and can figure out some syntax. | Jan 06 18:44 |
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| MinceR | what i can't read is lisp. | Jan 06 18:45 |
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| schestowitz | PC World is doing lots of advertisements-as-articles today. | Jan 06 18:45 |
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| schestowitz | Can you read lips | Jan 06 18:46 |
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| MinceR | well, it's idg | Jan 06 18:46 |
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| MinceR | i was too late to see the hacked macrumorslive.com site :/ | Jan 06 18:47 |
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| twitter | Hmm, that comment is exactly the same text from the blog you linked to a while back. Where did you get that link? | Jan 06 18:54 |
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| twitter | http://boycottnovell.com/2008/12/31/fudzil... | Jan 06 18:55 |
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| schestowitz | David posted it. | Jan 06 18:55 |
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| schestowitz | In the comments... | Jan 06 18:55 |
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| twitter | It makes sense but it's suspicious. There's no way to verify it. | Jan 06 18:59 |
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| twitter | unless you email the author | Jan 06 18:59 |
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| twitter | According to this, http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/n... | Jan 06 19:00 |
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| twitter | it's legal for UK police to enter your house without a warrant. | Jan 06 19:00 |
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| twitter | is that true? | Jan 06 19:00 |
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| benJIman | If you let them in. | Jan 06 19:01 |
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| benJIman | I'm not sure if the "placing a key logger" also comes under the things they could do without a warrant if the legislation is passed. | Jan 06 19:03 |
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| schestowitz | Of if you use Windows/Mac | Jan 06 19:03 |
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| benJIman | Because compromising a badly set up linux machine is so much more difficult than windows ^,^ | Jan 06 19:03 |
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| schestowitz | benJIman: in Germany they want/ed to preinstall spyware | Jan 06 19:04 |
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| schestowitz | The RIAA too wants this for its own purpose. To an extent , they already establish this by conspiring with Microsoft|Apple. | Jan 06 19:04 |
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| twitter | The story has this "Richard Clayton, a researcher at Cambridge University’s computer laboratory, said that remote searches had been possible since 1994, although they were very rare. An amendment to the Computer Misuse Act 1990 made hacking legal if it was authorised and carried out by the state. He said the authorities could break into a suspect’s home or office and insert a “key-logging” device into an individual’s co | Jan 06 19:05 |
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| schestowitz | GNU/Linux keeps good record of suspicious activities. | Jan 06 19:05 |
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| twitter | Is Clayton full of beans or not? | Jan 06 19:05 |
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| benJIman | twitter: remote searches does not mean entering your house. | Jan 06 19:05 |
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| schestowitz | Logging mechanisms and all. Maybe Vista and its forensics BS (antifeatures) can do that too, I dunno. | Jan 06 19:05 |
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| benJIman | As far as I am aware police are not allowed to enter your residence unless you let them in | Jan 06 19:06 |
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| benJIman | Without a warrant | Jan 06 19:06 |
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| benJIman | That might change with this legislation though, I havn't read the exact wording. | Jan 06 19:06 |
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| schestowitz | They'll surely use the "T" word to pass it | Jan 06 19:06 |
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| schestowitz | This is stupid: not only is this expensive, but it's also small and it slides rather than folds: http://www.itwire.com/content/view/22532/1054/ | Jan 06 19:10 |
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| schestowitz | Why is the press NOT cover this major news??? http://mouse.tercera.cl/detail.asp?story... | Jan 06 19:11 |
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| schestowitz | *covering (in English) | Jan 06 19:11 |
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| schestowitz | "On January 5, 2009, that happened. Muglia is now President of Server and Tools (not of the overall Windows business, as I had speculated originally). The other two Microsoft presidents are Robbie Bach, President of Microsoft’s Entertainment and Devices unit, and Stephen Elop, President of Microsoft’s Business Division." http://blogs.zdnet.com/microsoft/?p=1789 | Jan 06 19:16 |
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| schestowitz | He's a bad guy. Rude. | Jan 06 19:16 |
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| twitter | Folding would make more sense for a dual screen monster. It would be nice to have a small, power efficient screen for PDA like operation that can be folded around for dual screen work when you want a keyboard. | Jan 06 19:22 |
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| twitter | The smaller screen on the outside would also create a place to rest your hand while you pen. | Jan 06 19:23 |
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| schestowitz | Guess what? An anti-ODF moles has just been hired by MS. | Jan 06 19:23 |
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| schestowitz | Is hAl next? | Jan 06 19:23 |
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| twitter | Which anti-ODF mole? | Jan 06 19:24 |
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| schestowitz | I'll do a post about it. | Jan 06 19:24 |
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| schestowitz | http://blogs.zdnet.com/microsoft/?p=1790 and "Gang" too | Jan 06 19:24 |
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| schestowitz | Burton Gr^H^H^H^HANG | Jan 06 19:24 |
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| schestowitz | FSFE wants $$$ (or euros) http://fsfeurope.org/news/2009/nyr.html | Jan 06 19:27 |
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| schestowitz | Major security problem for Twitter < http://www.heise.de/english/newsticker/news/121220> | Jan 06 19:28 |
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| schestowitz | Over a year ago, Moglen confronted Tim ORLY, saying this whole Web hype would explode, potentially due to issues like this. | Jan 06 19:28 |
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| twitter | Israel asks people to join a botnet to help their war effort http://www.internetevolution.com/author.asp?section... | Jan 06 19:29 |
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| schestowitz | Disgusting. http://zope.gush-shalom.org/home/en... | Jan 06 19:30 |
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| schestowitz | It'll be interesting to see if cyberwars like the ones in east Europe will strike the US again. | Jan 06 19:30 |
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| schestowitz | I think it was China which almost brought DNS down some 1-2 years ago (I think Xmas of 206) | Jan 06 19:30 |
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| schestowitz | At least you see there are some pro-peace anti-war protesters out there. | Jan 06 19:31 |
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| schestowitz | Back in the early 60s there were none | Jan 06 19:31 |
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| twitter | Coincidently, the take away message from M$ hiring O'Kelly is that M$'s propaganda war will pick up as they fire other employees. | Jan 06 19:32 |
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| schestowitz | The slaughtering of Vietnam (about 4-5 million) went on without much resistance. Even labour union and women right activists were suppressed. | Jan 06 19:32 |
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| schestowitz | twitter: yes, they hire people who run propganda first | Jan 06 19:33 |
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| schestowitz | They 'reward' them. | Jan 06 19:33 |
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| schestowitz | Wait until they try hiring Patrick Durusau (spelling) | Jan 06 19:33 |
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| twitter | So they will fire the worker bees that make the place go and be even less capable of extracting themselves from their technical follies. Louder and suckier all the time. | Jan 06 19:40 |
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| schestowitz | I'm doing a good post about it ATM. | Jan 06 19:55 |
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| schestowitz | zoobab: did Dough Mahugh get hired /after/ promoting their technologies? | Jan 06 20:06 |
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| schestowitz | *Doug | Jan 06 20:06 |
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| twitter | http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?sto... | Jan 06 20:23 |
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| twitter | This may be the reason for the rise of BN. Novell is the next SCO. | Jan 06 20:24 |
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| twitter | bbl | Jan 06 20:24 |
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| schestowitz | "Andy Updegrove posts his own newspicks, as does Roy Shestowitz at Boycott | Jan 06 20:34 |
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| schestowitz | Novell. And where does SJVN work these days?" | Jan 06 20:34 |
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| schestowitz | "PJ needs to reconsider, there are a lot better, professional resources for | Jan 06 20:35 |
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| schestowitz | "archiving" such information, lots of alternatives exist. But GL | Jan 06 20:35 |
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| schestowitz | should also reconsider not covering other things, unless this was just a hobby, | Jan 06 20:35 |
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| schestowitz | and if it was, it's done now. | Jan 06 20:35 |
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| schestowitz | I'll miss the good times, but I won't necessarily miss the site, as strange as | Jan 06 20:35 |
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| schestowitz | that sounds after all these years. I notice the IRC channel has been dead for | Jan 06 20:35 |
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| schestowitz | practically ever as well (which is sorta typical). | Jan 06 20:35 |
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| schestowitz | So I wish good luck, I say goodbye, and whatever happens happens, it was sorta | Jan 06 20:35 |
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| schestowitz | nice knowing you all." | Jan 06 20:35 |
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| schestowitz | Cr*p. First Bruce Perens... Linux Journal is quiet. Linux.com froze and now Groklaw. WTF? | Jan 06 20:36 |
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| schestowitz | It has been strange not sending New Picks to Groklaw anymore after 3 years... I hope she changes her mind. | Jan 06 20:51 |
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| tessier_ | She's already done a lot. Let her move on. | Jan 06 20:52 |
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| tessier_ | Someone elses turn. | Jan 06 20:52 |
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| schestowitz | Andy spoke to me about it | Jan 06 20:52 |
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| schestowitz | That's how I knew in advance. | Jan 06 20:52 |
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| tessier_ | Who is Andy? | Jan 06 20:53 |
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| schestowitz | Updegrove. Standards guy. | Jan 06 20:54 |
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| schestowitz | But also a law person, sort of like PJ.. | Jan 06 20:54 |
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| tessier_ | oh | Jan 06 20:55 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?p... (America's Army 3.0 "May Return" To Linux). Are the Linux aficionados not worth the military brainwash? | Jan 06 20:59 |
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| tessier_ | I think America's Army is a brilliant concept. | Jan 06 21:01 |
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| tessier_ | Someone has to be a soldier. | Jan 06 21:01 |
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| schestowitz | I've hardly posted anything in BN today (just two posts) and we get like 3GB in traffic, so it might be related to GL. That's what I was told anyway. | Jan 06 21:01 |
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| schestowitz | tessier: making people militants is a Bad Idea. | Jan 06 21:02 |
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| trmanco | it is just a game | Jan 06 21:02 |
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| schestowitz | It's not as though America fights a war of survival. It mostly fights to turn countries into client states of the corporcracy that runs both major parties (McBama) | Jan 06 21:03 |
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| schestowitz | Weee ...Building A Linux Computer: Part 4 - Installing The OS < http://www.linuxedit.com/article/building_li... > | Jan 06 21:04 |
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| tessier_ | schestowitz: It doesn't make people militants. | Jan 06 21:05 |
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| tessier_ | schestowitz: America doesn't want to get to the point of having to fight a war of survival. | Jan 06 21:05 |
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| schestowitz | Prevention through violence? | Jan 06 21:05 |
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| tessier_ | You didn't like Bush and you don't like Obama? | Jan 06 21:05 |
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| schestowitz | I like Obama | Jan 06 21:05 |
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| schestowitz | But he's surrounded by the old cronies | Jan 06 21:06 |
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| schestowitz | Biden for starters. Then the staffer of the White House... both of whom strongly support the invasion of Iraq | Jan 06 21:06 |
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| tessier_ | I really don't understand why more of the hard core cynics don't off themselves. | Jan 06 21:06 |
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| tessier_ | How can anyone enjoy living in a world where conspiracy lurks behind every door? | Jan 06 21:07 |
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| schestowitz | off? | Jan 06 21:07 |
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| schestowitz | There is no "conspiracy" | Jan 06 21:07 |
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| schestowitz | In this case, it is a simple fact about spoken policies. | Jan 06 21:07 |
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| schestowitz | Biden is also a lobbyist (or henchman at the least) for the MPAA/RIAA. This is well documented | Jan 06 21:07 |
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| schestowitz | Speaking of which, from today's news: http://techdirt.com/articles/20090105... (Obama Appoints Former RIAA Lawyer To Associate Attorney General) | Jan 06 21:08 |
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| tessier_ | Lawyers change sides like the wind. | Jan 06 21:08 |
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| schestowitz | I know. | Jan 06 21:08 |
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| schestowitz | But the paymasters remain | Jan 06 21:09 |
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| schestowitz | People voted for characters | Jan 06 21:09 |
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| schestowitz | Not for policies | Jan 06 21:09 |
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| tessier_ | I didn't. | Jan 06 21:09 |
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| schestowitz | Policies were hardly advertised in the elections -- not the ones that /matter/ | Jan 06 21:09 |
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| schestowitz | So people votes based on criteria like, "who would you rather hang out with in a bar?" | Jan 06 21:09 |
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| schestowitz | One of our IRCers has just had this published: http://www.olpcnews.com/sales_talk/microso... | Jan 06 21:11 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.prwatch.org/node/8113 (CORE Shills Still Pushing for Drill, Baby, Drill) | Jan 06 21:15 |
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| schestowitz | GNU/Linux comes before Apple at IBM: http://www.pcworld.com/article/156432/symphony_f... "Symphony, which was introduced by IBM in September 2007, is already available for Windows and Linux PCs." | Jan 06 21:21 |
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| schestowitz | Hey, seller_liar | Jan 06 21:21 |
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| schestowitz | Do you know the guys from 4Linux? | Jan 06 21:21 |
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| seller_liar | hello roy | Jan 06 21:21 |
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| seller_liar | No | Jan 06 21:21 |
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| seller_liar | M$ nightmare spark | Jan 06 21:22 |
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| schestowitz | I've been digging up videos from Brazil recently. | Jan 06 21:22 |
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| seller_liar | https://www.dreamspark.com/default.aspx | Jan 06 21:22 |
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| schestowitz | Bizspreak? | Jan 06 21:22 |
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| schestowitz | Addictionware | Jan 06 21:22 |
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| seller_liar | free drugware for universities | Jan 06 21:22 |
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| schestowitz | They fight Linux. | Jan 06 21:22 |
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| schestowitz | I know. | Jan 06 21:22 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.archive.org/download/e-dv100_pa_... | Jan 06 21:22 |
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| schestowitz | That's not new and the press incompetently covers this without mentioning what th real intent (fight FOSS) and harms are(lockin) | Jan 06 21:23 |
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| seller_liar | Novell-m4 sponsors | Jan 06 21:24 |
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| seller_liar | http://www.gotmono.com/sponsors.html | Jan 06 21:24 |
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| *schestowitz looks | Jan 06 21:24 |
| schestowitz | How can we inform about Biz/DreamSpark? | Jan 06 21:24 |
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| schestowitz | OT: Digital Gangster Takes Credit for Twitter Hacks < http://www.pcworld.com/article/156... > | Jan 06 21:24 |
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| schestowitz | "Digital Gangster" they're called... I know another company that could be called that. | Jan 06 21:25 |
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| schestowitz | re: Novell... of course they'd sponsor it. Mono is a Novell project | Jan 06 21:26 |
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| seller_liar | We must put a lot of links to free IDE tools | Jan 06 21:26 |
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| schestowitz | But how? | Jan 06 21:26 |
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| schestowitz | We're not advertising. | Jan 06 21:26 |
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| seller_liar | Links for netbeans | Jan 06 21:26 |
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| schestowitz | I don't like these pseudo-free Sun tools. | Jan 06 21:26 |
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| seller_liar | I know , but criticise bizspark and recommends free IDE tools and good docas | Jan 06 21:26 |
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| seller_liar | Kdevelop ,eclipse maybe | Jan 06 21:27 |
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| schestowitz | seller_liar: I already have, | Jan 06 21:27 |
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| seller_liar | Eric4 python is very good | Jan 06 21:27 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.google.com/search?sourceid... | Jan 06 21:27 |
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| schestowitz | Also http://www.google.com/search?num=50... | Jan 06 21:28 |
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| schestowitz | It's down for corruptible suits in universities to decide on IDEs... students are 'side effects' | Jan 06 21:29 |
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| schestowitz | Given the ugliness of EDGI (have you seen it, seller_liar?), it's bound to be stopped if the regulatory bodies step in. | Jan 06 21:29 |
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| seller_liar | Sorry ,I don t see a lot of new at moment | Jan 06 21:30 |
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| seller_liar | but is very good ,Boycottnovell has lot of comments | Jan 06 21:30 |
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| seller_liar | And jo is gone | Jan 06 21:31 |
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| seller_liar | Who is jo shields? | Jan 06 21:32 |
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| schestowitz | Amazing: Model Suing Google Over Vicious Blog Post < http://www.webpronews.com/topnews/200... > | Jan 06 21:32 |
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| schestowitz | "Ooooh! Mommy! Someone sez those bad things about me and some search engine... well, serves results.. so let's sue Google" | Jan 06 21:32 |
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| schestowitz | EDGI is relevant to Brazil. | Jan 06 21:33 |
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| schestowitz | Must read (the memo below): http://boycottnovell.com/2009/01/... | Jan 06 21:33 |
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| seller_liar | schestowitz: Stupid anoxeric model | Jan 06 21:34 |
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| seller_liar | schestowitz: Please don t look my skeleton in google | Jan 06 21:34 |
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| seller_liar | schestowitz: A Obsewrvation | Jan 06 21:38 |
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| seller_liar | schestowitz: NightmareSpark is in Brazil now, not only in India | Jan 06 21:38 |
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| schestowitz | WSJ's End of Wall Street: Don't Order The Tombstone Just Yet < http://radar.oreilly.com/2009/01/wsjs... > | Jan 06 21:38 |
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| schestowitz | The Biggest Ponzi Scheme of Them All < http://radar.oreilly.com/2009/01/th... > | Jan 06 21:39 |
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| schestowitz | seller_liar: it's in many countries. The Philippines for instance... | Jan 06 21:39 |
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| schestowitz | At a broader scale, it expands an electronic colonialism with dependence on Microsoft for another generation | Jan 06 21:39 |
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| seller_liar | schestowitz: Mainly in poor countries, where every "donation" is considered good will | Jan 06 21:40 |
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| schestowitz | re: EDGI (new): http://www.linuxtoday.com/news_story.php3... "The Oligarchal Governments will happily join the others on Ballmer's knee. " | Jan 06 21:40 |
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| seller_liar | schestowitz: This is sad | Jan 06 21:40 |
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| schestowitz | Donations don't come from company | Jan 06 21:40 |
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| schestowitz | That's not their nature | Jan 06 21:40 |
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| schestowitz | Investors made businesses a very seflish entitiy | Jan 06 21:41 |
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| schestowitz | Doing good is important.. when the cameras are on, so to speak | Jan 06 21:41 |
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| schestowitz | In fact, companies are trained to play the goodwill/PR thing... they are taught that "if you don't occasionally do something good, then people we realise we're up to no good" | Jan 06 21:42 |
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| schestowitz | But that goes back to the dawn of the era of these franchises. | Jan 06 21:42 |
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| schestowitz | About 100 years ago, if not more, at least in the US | Jan 06 21:42 |
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| schestowitz | It was characterised as bad communism by the Conservatives. | Jan 06 21:42 |
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| schestowitz | And the issue is that people use to presss to fool people, and people are indeed being fooled easily | Jan 06 21:43 |
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| seller_liar | schestowitz:It's a complete brainwashing , people say "free software is communism" | Jan 06 21:43 |
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| schestowitz | You mentioned that sentimental blackmail stuff Microsoft does in BrAZIL (That was about a month ago... with handicapped people)... here you have another exampel. | Jan 06 21:43 |
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| seller_liar | schestowitz: and in fact m$ is the only communist | Jan 06 21:43 |
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| schestowitz | Yes, because of perception | Jan 06 21:43 |
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| schestowitz | Just like the US says other countries are undemocratic | Jan 06 21:43 |
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| schestowitz | As an excuse to liberating them or overthrowing the govt with military coos that they fund and support | Jan 06 21:44 |
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| schestowitz | Take Chavez for exampel. | Jan 06 21:44 |
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| schestowitz | The US is terrified of him | Jan 06 21:44 |
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| schestowitz | He no longer plays the puppet of the US | Jan 06 21:44 |
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| schestowitz | But he's more popular than any US president | Jan 06 21:44 |
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| schestowitz | His country also appears far more democratic than the US | Jan 06 21:45 |
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| schestowitz | But he doesn't give them oil, of which Venezuela has plenty | Jan 06 21:45 |
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| seller_liar | yes , but the corruption is very high | Jan 06 21:45 |
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| schestowitz | This also spreads similar regimes in Latin/south America. | Jan 06 21:45 |
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| schestowitz | Bolivia for example. | Jan 06 21:45 |
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| seller_liar | schestowitz: and rich people don t go to jail | Jan 06 21:45 |
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| schestowitz | So they daemonise the leaders who are not cronies | Jan 06 21:45 |
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| schestowitz | Biden called Chavez "a dictator" | Jan 06 21:46 |
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| schestowitz | Rich people can't go to jail | Jan 06 21:46 |
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| schestowitz | The police is funded by the government | Jan 06 21:46 |
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| schestowitz | The government is run by rich peolle | Jan 06 21:46 |
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| schestowitz | Bail is an example of a lopphole they can create for themselves. | Jan 06 21:46 |
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| schestowitz | Other things are trade agreements, privacy peripheries, etc. | Jan 06 21:46 |
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| schestowitz | So Microsoft can commit its crimes (such as malicious collusions) in secrecy , as it so often does. | Jan 06 21:47 |
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| seller_liar | schestowitz: Bail is a intentional bug in system | Jan 06 21:47 |
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| schestowitz | yes | Jan 06 21:47 |
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| schestowitz | Got money? Get a free ticket to crime | Jan 06 21:47 |
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| schestowitz | White-collar crime is neglected | Jan 06 21:48 |
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| schestowitz | See the Ponzi scheme article above. | Jan 06 21:48 |
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| schestowitz | Instead they aim for shoplifters | Jan 06 21:48 |
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| seller_liar | schestowitz: Yes ,I will seee | Jan 06 21:48 |
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| schestowitz | Funnily enough, shoplifeting is an artifact of ruined states where the damage is done by the very same people who bemoan it. | Jan 06 21:48 |
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| schestowitz | As if to say, one rich person spit on the homeless on the pavement, which in fact it may be the unjust system created and defended that the rich man created to leave a trail of piss-poor people. | Jan 06 21:49 |
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| schestowitz | People=nations sometimes. Matter of scale.. | Jan 06 21:50 |
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| seller_liar | schestowitz: the big problem is the medium class | Jan 06 21:50 |
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| schestowitz | Does it exist? | Jan 06 21:50 |
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| seller_liar | schestowitz: yes | Jan 06 21:50 |
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| seller_liar | schestowitz: for example | Jan 06 21:50 |
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| seller_liar | schestowitz: Only ther medium class can change something | Jan 06 21:50 |
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| schestowitz | In free markets, few thrives at the expense of all else. Without regul;ation, the middle tied either falls or gets devours (assimilated) by the top | Jan 06 21:51 |
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| seller_liar | schestowitz: Because is the only class which have resources to do something | Jan 06 21:51 |
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| schestowitz | Not rally. | Jan 06 21:51 |
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| schestowitz | *Really | Jan 06 21:51 |
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| schestowitz | There is activism too | Jan 06 21:51 |
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| schestowitz | Resources are sometimes just needed for banners to take to the streets | Jan 06 21:51 |
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| seller_liar | schestowitz: But the medium class loses all resources buying products | Jan 06 21:52 |
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| schestowitz | If you can produce billboards and the country does not suppress free speech (blogs have become popular), then here you have a fighting chance | Jan 06 21:52 |
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| schestowitz | seller_liar: due to brainwash, yes. | Jan 06 21:52 |
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| seller_liar | schestowitz: luxury products | Jan 06 21:52 |
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| schestowitz | Increase in spendings gets the pyramid fed (bottom to top) | Jan 06 21:52 |
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| schestowitz | This assume capitalism that's predatory anyway | Jan 06 21:53 |
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| seller_liar | schestowitz: people waste all money in Crapple Iphone, windows, wii and all other | Jan 06 21:53 |
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| schestowitz | *assumed | Jan 06 21:53 |
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| schestowitz | Whose money? | Jan 06 21:53 |
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| schestowitz | China? | Jan 06 21:53 |
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| schestowitz | They live n borrowed time | Jan 06 21:53 |
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| schestowitz | All they 'export' is what...? Even the UK is no longer self sufficient | Jan 06 21:53 |
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| schestowitz | All the government seems to do is print money and patents. | Jan 06 21:53 |
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| schestowitz | Imaginary property | Jan 06 21:54 |
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| schestowitz | "Former World Bank economist Herman Daly wrote a vivid piece on the subject of the Ponzi economy back in October, entitled The Disconnection Between Financial Assets and Real Asssets" http://radar.oreilly.com/2009/0... | Jan 06 21:54 |
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| seller_liar | schestowitz: The only way to stop the capitalism is learn ethics in a FORCED way | Jan 06 21:54 |
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| seller_liar | seller_liar: and | Jan 06 21:54 |
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| seller_liar | schestowitz: and | Jan 06 21:54 |
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| schestowitz | Brazil grows beans; US grows monopoly of consumtpion | Jan 06 21:54 |
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| seller_liar | schestowitz: And stop our structures | Jan 06 21:55 |
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| schestowitz | Whch ones? | Jan 06 21:55 |
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| seller_liar | schestowitz: The intersting thing is all developed countries throws the debit to third world countries | Jan 06 21:55 |
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| schestowitz | Debit or debt? | Jan 06 21:56 |
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| seller_liar | schestowitz:McDonalds ,nike and others explores poor countries to pay the debit odof | Jan 06 21:56 |
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| seller_liar | of | Jan 06 21:56 |
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| seller_liar | developed countries | Jan 06 21:56 |
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| seller_liar | schestowitz: We need to stop to produce more and more and more every time | Jan 06 21:57 |
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| schestowitz | And then what? | Jan 06 21:57 |
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| schestowitz | Brazil says: we need people to buy crops. | Jan 06 21:57 |
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| schestowitz | US says: we do them a favour by buying (for mere pennies) | Jan 06 21:58 |
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| seller_liar | schestowitz: this eternal consumism is anticapitalist | Jan 06 21:58 |
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| schestowitz | Same excuses are told by sweat shops that run factories (wage slavery) in Asia | Jan 06 21:58 |
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| schestowitz | "We do them a favour... otherwise they would be poor and hungry" | Jan 06 21:58 |
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| schestowitz | The solution is in removing these conditions that lead to this situation | Jan 06 21:58 |
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| seller_liar | schestowitz: Every company tries to be the only one company in the world | Jan 06 21:59 |
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| schestowitz | In the case of financial strangulation in Central American, the US can make life miserable for the citizens in order for them to come begging for the north and get rid of the govt. | Jan 06 21:59 |
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| seller_liar | schestowitz: Some companies tries to force chinese people to eat breads | Jan 06 21:59 |
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| schestowitz | Yes. | Jan 06 21:59 |
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| schestowitz | That's why it's inherently problematic | Jan 06 21:59 |
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| seller_liar | schestowitz: Only for more profit | Jan 06 21:59 |
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| schestowitz | But big companies like the oil companies are too powerful to dismantle now. | Jan 06 22:00 |
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| seller_liar | schestowitz: Companies tries to create homogenization | Jan 06 22:00 |
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| schestowitz | They are like monsters that are a country within a country. Their trained-for goal is to exploit, although they'll deny or beautify it. | Jan 06 22:00 |
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| schestowitz | Well, another issue is this.. | Jan 06 22:00 |
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| seller_liar | schestowitz: And this is anticapitalist | Jan 06 22:00 |
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| seller_liar | schestowitz: I know ,but | Jan 06 22:01 |
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| schestowitz | The aspiration for maximisation is the road to ending mankind. | Jan 06 22:01 |
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| schestowitz | This has suppositions about the world being an infinite garbage dump | Jan 06 22:01 |
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| schestowitz | If it comes to worst, then climate disaster strikes and emotes to the point where lethal weapons can be used against aggressors or exploiters | Jan 06 22:01 |
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| seller_liar | schestowitz: the medium class is the problem | Jan 06 22:02 |
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| seller_liar | schestowitz: Tell me 3 people which likes of greenpeace | Jan 06 22:02 |
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| schestowitz | They are not liked | Jan 06 22:02 |
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| seller_liar | schestowitz: Medium class is very stupid about ethics | Jan 06 22:02 |
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| schestowitz | I like them, but a biologist professor I know doesn't like them | Jan 06 22:02 |
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| schestowitz | They perceive them as troublemakers | Jan 06 22:02 |
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| schestowitz | Those, welll.... 'That who stands in the way of Mighty Buck Shalt be perceived as enemy of human" | Jan 06 22:03 |
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| seller_liar | schestowitz:The only way to stop the the destruction is destroy the will of power | Jan 06 22:03 |
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| seller_liar | schestowitz: and love the ethics | Jan 06 22:03 |
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| seller_liar | seller_liar: We don t need more and more power | Jan 06 22:03 |
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| schestowitz | But it's not in the curriculum. | Jan 06 22:04 |
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| schestowitz | Not in mine, either. | Jan 06 22:04 |
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| seller_liar | schestowitz: We don t need more and more power | Jan 06 22:04 |
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| schestowitz | Schools don't teach ethics. | Jan 06 22:04 |
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| schestowitz | Neither do the outside activies like watching TC. | Jan 06 22:04 |
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| schestowitz | *TV | Jan 06 22:04 |
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| schestowitz | seller_liar: you oppose human insticts | Jan 06 22:04 |
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| seller_liar | schestowitz: No | Jan 06 22:04 |
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| seller_liar | schestowitz: Human likes power ,of course | Jan 06 22:04 |
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| schestowitz | Regularisation phase like a world war often is the only think stopping it. | Jan 06 22:05 |
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| schestowitz | It would be fine had we not had sophisticated weaponry | Jan 06 22:05 |
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| schestowitz | WoMD | Jan 06 22:05 |
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| seller_liar | schestowitz: But if power is very high, the power corrupts the human | Jan 06 22:05 |
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| schestowitz | Yes | Jan 06 22:05 |
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| schestowitz | Hubris sins | Jan 06 22:05 |
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| schestowitz | Greek culture (mythology) saw this and made it a crime, IIRC | Jan 06 22:05 |
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| schestowitz | Or sin of the highest kind | Jan 06 22:06 |
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| schestowitz | ""I'm going to f---ing bury that guy, I have done it before, and I will do it again. I'm going to f---ing kill Google." [Sydney Morning Herald] | Jan 06 22:06 |
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| seller_liar | schestowitz:Some people believe which only power is the solution | Jan 06 22:06 |
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| seller_liar | schestowitz: | Jan 06 22:06 |
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| seller_liar | schestowitz: "Oh , we need more computers for help the society | Jan 06 22:06 |
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| schestowitz | hHe. | Jan 06 22:07 |
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| schestowitz | Sounds like Gates... as long as they run Windows | Jan 06 22:07 |
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| schestowitz | I have lots of quotes about this BS | Jan 06 22:07 |
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| seller_liar | schestowitz: More power is not the solution | Jan 06 22:07 |
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| schestowitz | "Gentle capitalism" | Jan 06 22:07 |
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| seller_liar | schestowitz: More power means more destruction | Jan 06 22:07 |
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| trmanco | http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=2... | Jan 06 22:07 |
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| schestowitz | Says the man who schemes to vandalise ACPI, break standards, and so on.. | Jan 06 22:07 |
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| trmanco | and greater responsibility | Jan 06 22:07 |
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| seller_liar | schestowitz: The only way to save people is ethics | Jan 06 22:08 |
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| schestowitz | Good luck with that. | Jan 06 22:08 |
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| schestowitz | trmanco: thanks, I know. | Jan 06 22:08 |
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| schestowitz | IBM is not muchly needed anyway | Jan 06 22:08 |
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| schestowitz | "A post on the Alliance’s Web site said the company may cut 16,000 jobs, which would top the 15,600 eliminated by Chief Executive Officer Sam Palmisano in 2002." | Jan 06 22:08 |
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| seller_liar | schestowitz: Sometimes IBM worries me | Jan 06 22:09 |
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| schestowitz | Don't shout at your disk drives, warns Sun engineer < http://www.theregister.co.uk/20... > | Jan 06 22:10 |
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| schestowitz | IBM promotes Linux in Brazil | Jan 06 22:10 |
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| seller_liar | schestowitz: IT's very huge ,and if m$ fails ,probably IBM can Buy m$ | Jan 06 22:10 |
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| schestowitz | But for self gain of course | Jan 06 22:10 |
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| schestowitz | Yes, or Google... some day in the future | Jan 06 22:10 |
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| MinceR | ibm doesn't care enough about pcs to consider buying m$ | Jan 06 22:10 |
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| MinceR | they still don't see the potential in the platform | Jan 06 22:10 |
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| seller_liar | schestowitz: IBM someday can force people to live in a matrix life | Jan 06 22:10 |
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| schestowitz | Buy a failed MS? What for? The patents? | Jan 06 22:10 |
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| MinceR | to end the suffering | Jan 06 22:11 |
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| seller_liar | schestowitz: using z mainframes and high tech | Jan 06 22:11 |
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| schestowitz | Heh. | Jan 06 22:11 |
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| MinceR | let the industry recover much more quickly | Jan 06 22:11 |
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| MinceR | and reap the rewards | Jan 06 22:11 |
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| schestowitz | IBM needs to be watched, of course. | Jan 06 22:11 |
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| seller_liar | http://wikileaks.org/wiki/Microsoft_head_of_overn... | Jan 06 22:11 |
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| schestowitz | The BillG dude also called them the worst nightmare he has... in 2006 | Jan 06 22:11 |
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| schestowitz | [not in these words] | Jan 06 22:11 |
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| MinceR | i think ibm is too inept to do anything really bad :> | Jan 06 22:11 |
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| schestowitz | Good find | Jan 06 22:12 |
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| schestowitz | I might have covered this befoire. | Jan 06 22:12 |
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| seller_liar | MinceR: hahha, 110 bilion???? | Jan 06 22:12 |
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| seller_liar | MinceR: IBM needs more | Jan 06 22:12 |
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| seller_liar | schestowitz: Don t worry roy , probably Obama will change nothing | Jan 06 22:14 |
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| schestowitz | Is Vincent Danen the guy who previously flogged .NET/Mono? http://blogs.techrepublic.com.com/... | Jan 06 22:14 |
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| schestowitz | seller_liar: do you remember? You confronted some guy, IIRC... maybe the same guy? | Jan 06 22:14 |
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| schestowitz | seller_liar: he'll change /some/ things.. like the branding of the government | Jan 06 22:14 |
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| schestowitz | Welcome to... "The Obama(R) Brand"... now with extra unity, hope, change. | Jan 06 22:15 |
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| seller_liar | schestowitz:heheh | Jan 06 22:15 |
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| seller_liar | schestowitz: An interesting thing is the Microsoft visiting poor countries to sell wwindows | Jan 06 22:17 |
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| seller_liar | schestowitz: In 2002 it was rare | Jan 06 22:18 |
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| schestowitz | Now they have some wEDGIs to pull | Jan 06 22:18 |
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| schestowitz | They also have that Brazilian firm that charges 3000x the cost of counterfeited software if they don't like your company | Jan 06 22:19 |
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| schestowitz | It's a Microsoft front group | Jan 06 22:19 |
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| schestowitz | Like the Brazilian BSA equivalent. Russia has one too. | Jan 06 22:19 |
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| seller_liar | schestowitz: You know the name? | Jan 06 22:19 |
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| seller_liar | schestowitz: Ah , ABES | Jan 06 22:19 |
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| schestowitz | Hehe: http://helpforlinux.blogspot.com/2009/01/... | Jan 06 22:20 |
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| schestowitz | Yes, that's the one | Jan 06 22:20 |
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| schestowitz | ABES. | Jan 06 22:20 |
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| schestowitz | I saw the interview where he talks about it | Jan 06 22:21 |
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| schestowitz | So now they have legalised dumpware.... to stifle migrations to Libre software | Jan 06 22:21 |
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| schestowitz | software libre | Jan 06 22:21 |
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| seller_liar | schestowitz: In the Brazilian capital, m $ office offers free for the government | Jan 06 22:23 |
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| seller_liar | schestowitz: Even them using OpenOffice | Jan 06 22:23 |
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| schestowitz | EDGI | Jan 06 22:23 |
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| schestowitz | They target competition | Jan 06 22:23 |
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| schestowitz | They try to suffocate competition | Jan 06 22:23 |
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| schestowitz | StarOffice also. | Jan 06 22:23 |
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| schestowitz | Sun ought to complain somehow | Jan 06 22:24 |
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| schestowitz | But this is inherently what the broken system permits... like pulling a Netscape | Jan 06 22:24 |
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| seller_liar | schestowitz: Sun does not have many representatives here | Jan 06 22:24 |
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| schestowitz | Granted, this system is now collapsing, so there you go.. | Jan 06 22:24 |
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| schestowitz | IBM has that Avi Alkalai guy | Jan 06 22:25 |
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| schestowitz | They also have a Linux lab/.centre, IIRC | Jan 06 22:25 |
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| schestowitz | At least one. | Jan 06 22:25 |
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| seller_liar | schestowitz: People complain of openoffice | Jan 06 22:25 |
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| schestowitz | A New Year Brings A New NVClock Beta < http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page... > | Jan 06 22:25 |
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| schestowitz | seller_liar: why complain? | Jan 06 22:25 |
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| seller_liar | schestowitz: but the ibm even opens the source code of the Lotus | Jan 06 22:26 |
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| schestowitz | Because the shcool teaches MSO? | Jan 06 22:26 |
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| schestowitz | Or because the file formats from Microsoft are a PITA? | Jan 06 22:26 |
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| schestowitz | seller_liar: it does [ibm]? | Jan 06 22:26 |
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| seller_liar | schestowitz: But the sun was the only one to launch the OpenOffice | Jan 06 22:26 |
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| schestowitz | There are requests for it, but it's non-libre. | Jan 06 22:26 |
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| seller_liar | schestowitz: IBM never release a openSouce Version | Jan 06 22:26 |
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| schestowitz | Eclipse | Jan 06 22:27 |
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| seller_liar | schestowitz: And IBM is larger than 20 x Sun | Jan 06 22:27 |
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| seller_liar | schestowitz: A sun lancou on NetBeans | Jan 06 22:27 |
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| schestowitz | Chi Wong goes wonky for a change... http://www.manilastandardtoday.com/?page=bu... ... once again echoing the Big Lies about Web stats | Jan 06 22:27 |
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| seller_liar | schestowitz: Sun releases netbeans | Jan 06 22:27 |
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| schestowitz | Just x20? | Jan 06 22:27 |
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| schestowitz | Sun is shrinking. | Jan 06 22:27 |
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| seller_liar | schestowitz: This is very sad | Jan 06 22:27 |
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| seller_liar | schestowitz: We need more companies/ | Jan 06 22:28 |
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| schestowitz | Employees 386,558 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ibm | Jan 06 22:28 |
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| schestowitz | That's like 4 times what Microsoft will soon have | Jan 06 22:28 |
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| seller_liar | schestowitz: We can not leave the IBM alone | Jan 06 22:28 |
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| schestowitz | Novell is # 4,000 | Jan 06 22:28 |
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| schestowitz | Down from 12k | Jan 06 22:28 |
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| seller_liar | schestowitz: Why IBM is so great? | Jan 06 22:28 |
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| schestowitz | /s/#/@/ | Jan 06 22:28 |
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| seller_liar | schestowitz: soory | Jan 06 22:29 |
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| schestowitz | It's not great | Jan 06 22:29 |
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| schestowitz | Big you mean? | Jan 06 22:29 |
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| seller_liar | schestowitz: BIG? | Jan 06 22:29 |
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| seller_liar | seller_liar: yes | Jan 06 22:29 |
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| seller_liar | schestowitz: yes | Jan 06 22:29 |
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| schestowitz | They are Big Blue | Jan 06 22:29 |
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| schestowitz | The US government's IT brain | Jan 06 22:29 |
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| schestowitz | Like a franchise | Jan 06 22:29 |
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| seller_liar | schestowitz: I believe that it sells its mainframes dearly | Jan 06 22:29 |
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| schestowitz | They even helped the Nazis | Jan 06 22:29 |
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| seller_liar | schestowitz: Hitler, big beast | Jan 06 22:29 |
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| schestowitz | They did business with the, | Jan 06 22:30 |
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| schestowitz | You know, it's $$ | Jan 06 22:30 |
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| schestowitz | Ethics? Naaa... that doesn't pay | Jan 06 22:30 |
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| schestowitz | Same story now... | Jan 06 22:30 |
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| schestowitz | Microsoft, Yahoo and maybe Google with the CHinese govt. | Jan 06 22:30 |
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| seller_liar | schestowitz: I believe they sell the high price the Mainframe | Jan 06 22:30 |
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| schestowitz | Funy thing is.. | Jan 06 22:30 |
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| schestowitz | In 2007 in a Forbes interview (IIRC), Gates was asked about helping this country against its citizens. | Jan 06 22:30 |
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| schestowitz | The interviewer (Fitzpatrick, I think), said he paused and could not answer... then he said he did not want to respons to the Q | Jan 06 22:31 |
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| schestowitz | *respond | Jan 06 22:31 |
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| schestowitz | Mainframe=Linux | Jan 06 22:31 |
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| schestowitz | That's why they invest in "Liiiinux" | Jan 06 22:31 |
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| schestowitz | Not GNU | Jan 06 22:31 |
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| schestowitz | Just Linus | Jan 06 22:31 |
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| schestowitz | Linux | Jan 06 22:31 |
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| seller_liar | schestowitz: Linus is very stupid sometimes, ted tso também | Jan 06 22:32 |
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| MinceR | or they mean GNU/Linux when they say Linux | Jan 06 22:32 |
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| MinceR | like a lot of people | Jan 06 22:32 |
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| schestowitz | Free labour... pooled debugging efforts, good PR | Jan 06 22:32 |
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| schestowitz | MinceR: they sponsor the FSF too, IIRC | Jan 06 22:32 |
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| seller_liar | schestowitz: That is why I like the OpenSolaris | Jan 06 22:32 |
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| seller_liar | schestowitz: OpenSolaris brings homogenization | Jan 06 22:32 |
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| schestowitz | News: Debian 5 release approaches... binary blobs included < http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20090106-de... > | Jan 06 22:32 |
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| seller_liar | schestowitz: sorry | Jan 06 22:32 |
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| schestowitz | Tso=Linus of the States | Jan 06 22:33 |
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| seller_liar | schestowitz: Heterogenização | Jan 06 22:33 |
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| schestowitz | They are close | Jan 06 22:33 |
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| schestowitz | Linus has surrounded himself by some yes men | Jan 06 22:33 |
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| seller_liar | schestowitz: The Linus wins? | Jan 06 22:33 |
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| seller_liar | schestowitz: Sorry | Jan 06 22:33 |
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| schestowitz | Just watch the response to GPLv3. They didn't read the bloody thing, but they said "no" just because Torvalds did. | Jan 06 22:33 |
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| seller_liar | schestowitz: How much linus receives? | Jan 06 22:33 |
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| schestowitz | I don't know. | Jan 06 22:34 |
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| schestowitz | He has a nice villa though. | Jan 06 22:34 |
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| seller_liar | schestowitz: I don like , he have a lot of kids | Jan 06 22:34 |
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| seller_liar | schestowitz: This is very repetitive example of american life | Jan 06 22:34 |
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| schestowitz | I can't find the video of his house | Jan 06 22:34 |
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| schestowitz | it's on Google Video somewhere. | Jan 06 22:35 |
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| schestowitz | One-hour shopw | Jan 06 22:35 |
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| schestowitz | From Finland, I think. | Jan 06 22:35 |
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| schestowitz | I think he has just 2 girls. | Jan 06 22:35 |
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| schestowitz | Let's check. | Jan 06 22:35 |
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| seller_liar | schestowitz: 3 kids | Jan 06 22:35 |
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| schestowitz | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linus_Torvalds doesn't say | Jan 06 22:36 |
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| schestowitz | 3 kids=expansion of humanpopulation | Jan 06 22:36 |
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| schestowitz | 2 become 3 | Jan 06 22:36 |
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| schestowitz | In one generation (~25 years) | Jan 06 22:36 |
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| seller_liar | schestowitz: And they spend far more than 30 poor | Jan 06 22:37 |
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| seller_liar | schestowitz: People are living longer, must have a maximum of 2 children | Jan 06 22:37 |
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| schestowitz | %50^4 per century | Jan 06 22:37 |
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| schestowitz | Oops. I mean 4*1.5 | Jan 06 22:38 |
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| seller_liar | schestowitz: The homes are full, people should die | Jan 06 22:38 |
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| seller_liar | schestowitz: or stop having children | Jan 06 22:38 |
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| schestowitz | Birth control yes. | Jan 06 22:38 |
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| schestowitz | I know academics here (couples) who just don't ahve kids for these reasons. | Jan 06 22:39 |
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| seller_liar | schestowitz: in poor countries are on average 1 doctor for every 50 000 | Jan 06 22:39 |
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| schestowitz | In African, excessive birth leads to death fromm hunger | Jan 06 22:39 |
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| schestowitz | If you give them food... well, they just give more birth... | Jan 06 22:39 |
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| schestowitz | It's a true and sad reality | Jan 06 22:39 |
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| seller_liar | schestowitz: The rich do not want to die and leave the bill for Africans | Jan 06 22:39 |
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| schestowitz | And it's part of a human's instinct to reproduce. | Jan 06 22:40 |
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| seller_liar | schestowitz: But look, Africa has no study, we can not blame the Africans | Jan 06 22:40 |
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| schestowitz | What do you mean? | Jan 06 22:40 |
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| schestowitz | by "<seller_liar> schestowitz: The rich do not want to die and leave the bill for Africans" | Jan 06 22:40 |
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| seller_liar | schestowitz: Rich exploiting the Africans | Jan 06 22:40 |
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| seller_liar | schestowitz: The rich live the expense of African | Jan 06 22:41 |
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| seller_liar | schestowitz: The rich people lives at cost of African pain | Jan 06 22:41 |
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| schestowitz | Yes, of course. | Jan 06 22:42 |
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| schestowitz | Have you seen this video? [wait, I fetch] | Jan 06 22:42 |
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| seller_liar | schestowitz: Rich can even take medicine to live more | Jan 06 22:42 |
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| seller_liar | seller_liar: If nothing is done, only the rich live in this world | Jan 06 22:42 |
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| schestowitz | http://boycottnovell.com/2008/01/02/th... | Jan 06 22:43 |
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| seller_liar | schestowitz: If nothing is done only the rich live | Jan 06 22:44 |
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| schestowitz | No, not necessarily | Jan 06 22:44 |
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| schestowitz | The exploitation breed resentment | Jan 06 22:44 |
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| schestowitz | Then the rich take 'crusades' to poorer country | Jan 06 22:44 |
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| schestowitz | Resentment is increased, among iwth nuclear threats. | Jan 06 22:45 |
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| seller_liar | schestowitz: The problem is that the lower class can not do anything | Jan 06 22:45 |
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| schestowitz | Two drama queen: http://www.thevarguy.com/2009/01/05/why... http://news.cnet.com/8301-13505_3-10131771-16.html | Jan 06 22:45 |
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| seller_liar | schestowitz: Class does not have low education and no resources | Jan 06 22:45 |
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| schestowitz | One again just referencing one another... | Jan 06 22:45 |
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| schestowitz | They met a while ago | Jan 06 22:45 |
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| seller_liar | I need toi go | Jan 06 22:46 |
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| seller_liar | bye | Jan 06 22:46 |
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| *seller_liar has quit ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") | Jan 06 22:46 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: check out Mac fan Asay saying that Dell should buy Red Hat. | Jan 06 22:46 |
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| MinceR | i wonder what makes him say that | Jan 06 22:47 |
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| MinceR | after all, none of those companies produce what he wants | Jan 06 22:47 |
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| MinceR | (well, except unreliable computers -- dell does that) | Jan 06 22:47 |
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| schestowitz | Watch them flirt in Var Guy's blog. | Jan 06 22:48 |
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| schestowitz | "Whao... let's put big multi-billion dollar company in the ring and make some crazy claims... that'll get me hits" | Jan 06 22:49 |
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| schestowitz | There were other such stupidities... Microsoft to buy Red Hat.. Oracle - Red Hat (also the Asay fantasies... of audience)... Apple to buy AMD (the CoolZone Trolls) | Jan 06 22:50 |
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| MinceR | hm, forgot to paste it here: (flash) (video) (audio) http://www.theonion.com/content/video/app... | Jan 06 22:57 |
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| schestowitz | Apple or Onion COmputer? | Jan 06 22:59 |
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| schestowitz | *Computers? | Jan 06 22:59 |
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| schestowitz | Onion Macintosh. | Jan 06 22:59 |
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| MinceR | it's more like lemon | Jan 06 23:01 |
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| MinceR | (slang) A defective or inadequate item. | Jan 06 23:01 |
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| schestowitz | LMAO. | Jan 06 23:01 |
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| schestowitz | Good video | Jan 06 23:01 |
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| schestowitz | A lemon at least has a strong taste | Jan 06 23:02 |
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| schestowitz | Apple's Jobs says "Microsoft has no taste" | Jan 06 23:02 |
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| schestowitz | Couldn't be true | Jan 06 23:02 |
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| schestowitz | Just watch SweatyB's tongue fetish | Jan 06 23:02 |
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| MinceR | it's not like crApple has taste | Jan 06 23:07 |
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| MinceR | i refuse to believe that toilet seat design laptops qualify for being "tasteful" | Jan 06 23:08 |
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| schestowitz | It's not that bad. | Jan 06 23:09 |
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| MinceR | well, they're not as good as they're usually claimed to be | Jan 06 23:13 |
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| MinceR | most companies bring out more tasteful designs | Jan 06 23:13 |
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| schestowitz | But don't spend $300,000,000/year on marketing. | Jan 06 23:17 |
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| MinceR | yeah | Jan 06 23:18 |
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| schestowitz | Pranksters inflitrate live Macworld feed http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/01/06... | Jan 06 23:21 |
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| schestowitz | Up to 16,000 jobs could go http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/01/06/i... | Jan 06 23:22 |
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| *benJIman wonders if schestowitz is going to FOSDEM. | Jan 06 23:23 |
| schestowitz | Ask PJ | Jan 06 23:25 |
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| schestowitz | Nature moves into 3D publishing < http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/01/06/nat... >. Finally they realise that old-style paper is dead | Jan 06 23:25 |
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| schestowitz | Sutor's continued obsession with Bob Dylan... http://www.sutor.com/newsite/blog-open/?p=3263 | Jan 06 23:33 |
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| schestowitz | The site is like a shrine to Bob Dylan at times... | Jan 06 23:34 |
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| MinceR | gn | Jan 06 23:53 |
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