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twitterMOG gang.  It's gross how they blatantly self promote at these fake conferences, isn't it?  "Best M$ Suck Up," give that CEO a plaque.Feb 07 00:00
MinceRgnFeb 07 00:01
PetoKrausgnFeb 07 00:02
PetoKrausi'm going as wellFeb 07 00:02
PetoKraussee you tomorrow :)Feb 07 00:02
schestowitzcyaFeb 07 00:04
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schestowitzAlex Jones=friggin' nutter. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0AP...Feb 07 03:24
schestowitz*LOL*Feb 07 03:24
schestowitzhttp://episteme.arstechnica.com/eve...Feb 07 04:09
schestowitzIT& jobs market devastated by worst ever plunge in January < http://www.itwire.com/content/view/23087/1231/ >Feb 07 04:19
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schestowitzFin. http://www.freesoftwaremagazine.com/art...Feb 07 05:00
schestowitzAre open source acquisitions good for consumers? < http://www.linuxworld.com/news/200... >Feb 07 05:08
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PetoKrausmorning guysFeb 07 09:44
schestowitzSalesforce President Quits, No Replacement Named < http://www.pcworld.com/article/159128/salesfor... >Feb 07 11:07
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trmanco"bianconeri4ever (2 minutes ago)Feb 07 13:06
trmancoI just changed the name of my blog from Royal HeHe2-ness to Royal Linuxing! Do you like the name? make sure to follow @Royal_Linuxing"Feb 07 13:06
schestowitzMuch betterFeb 07 13:09
trmancohe is still on Twitter thoughFeb 07 13:10
trmancoI already sent him a notice to join Identi.caFeb 07 13:11
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schestowitztrmanco: goodFeb 07 13:14
schestowitzMaybe invite him to BN IRCFeb 07 13:14
schestowitzHe reads the site AFAIKFeb 07 13:14
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trmancoif he replies back to my notice I will invite him hereFeb 07 13:23
trmancowhich he did :DFeb 07 13:23
schestowitzI never spoke to him.Feb 07 13:24
trmancohttps://twitter.com/openmania/...Feb 07 13:27
MinceRhow are you gentlemen !!Feb 07 13:30
trmancogoodFeb 07 13:32
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schestowitz 1709: The year that Europe froze < http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg20... >Feb 07 14:57
schestowitzWow. US military budget: Half a trillion dollars per yearFeb 07 15:21
schestowitzThat could pay bailout within yearsFeb 07 15:21
schestowitzNovell operates at a considerable loss. Expect massive layoffs probably by the end of the month (time of the report).Feb 07 15:27
schestowitzhttp://www.pcworld.com/article/159071/geeks_... "The companies routinely stored customers' sensitive personal information in unencrypted text on their corporate computer networks before December 2007, according to an FTC complaint."Feb 07 15:42
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jose_Xhttp://laforge.gnumonks.org/weblog/2009/02/04...Feb 07 17:44
schestowitzHey, Jose.Feb 07 17:44
jose_X>> But inside the industry, nobody listens to what their own R&D department or event some external entity - even the very representatives of the operating system they use (Linux). The chip makers will only listen to one thing: Demand from their tier-1 customers. Whatever is in the spec of those who buy their components in millions of units will get implemented. Only those maybe biggest five board-makers are considered 'customer'.Feb 07 17:44
jose_XEverybody else is not. The Telco who buys from the board maker _might_ still be perceived as having some indirect influence, but the actual end customer, both corporate and private, does not exist.Feb 07 17:44
jose_XheyFeb 07 17:44
schestowitzI was just about to leave because I mustFeb 07 17:44
schestowitzI'm going through lots of text todayFeb 07 17:44
schestowitzI am sick to see what I findFeb 07 17:45
schestowitzWill post it soonFeb 07 17:45
schestowitzThis relates  1% market share-like liesFeb 07 17:45
jose_X>> Thus, it is actually not an anti-FOSS environment, but an anti-competitive environment.Feb 07 17:45
jose_XokFeb 07 17:45
jose_Xthe link i just gave is essentially about how ms's 90% market share or less becomes almost 100%Feb 07 17:46
schestowitzThanksFeb 07 17:46
jose_Xit says that high level enginers inside hw manuf see value of linux but management only wants what their major customers demandFeb 07 17:47
jose_Xone more quote from that page: Those intermediaries (OEM/ODM) typically have very limited skill and understanding about anything related to Software, not even talking about FOSS. They know how to make many boards cheap. In fact, their skill typically is so low that all they can use for their products are so-called turnkey solutions: A full reference board design and complete software stack that they can copy+paste with only the moFeb 07 17:49
jose_Xst superficial modifications.Feb 07 17:49
jose_Xa related subject came up on thetuxproject since someone recently thought about providing turnkey solutions of a sort to XXXFeb 07 17:49
schestowitzto xxx?Feb 07 17:50
jose_Xnot sureFeb 07 17:50
jose_Xlet me get the linkFeb 07 17:50
schestowitztriplexFeb 07 17:50
jose_XnoFeb 07 17:50
jose_XvariableFeb 07 17:50
jose_Xxxxxxx...Feb 07 17:50
jose_Xor just xFeb 07 17:50
jose_X:-)Feb 07 17:50
schestowitzI know :-)Feb 07 17:50
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schestowitzbblFeb 07 17:52
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zer0c00lschestowitz: check your mailFeb 07 18:29
zer0c00li have sent 1 of 3 document (the document with more pages ;) )Feb 07 18:29
zer0c00li was unable to send that document yesterday as i was busy installing fedora for my friendsFeb 07 18:30
zer0c00l:)Feb 07 18:30
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Tallkenhey schestowitz you there€»Feb 07 20:13
Tallkenschestowitz, ok forget it, there was a MySQL error at BN.com but a refresh solved itFeb 07 20:14
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amd-linuxhow ridiculous can they get? They trying harder and harder - now telling us, surprise surprise, that consumers are disappointed with Linux on Netbooks because they are used to Windows?Feb 07 20:19
amd-linuxHello? PLEASE? The only benefit of Windows is that you are USED to it????Feb 07 20:19
amd-linuxcome on....Feb 07 20:19
amd-linuxhttp://news.softpedia.com/news/Microsoft-Li...Feb 07 20:19
MinceRfor many people it isFeb 07 20:20
MinceRbut they usually don't realizeFeb 07 20:20
MinceRor at least they don't realize how stupid that isFeb 07 20:20
amd-linuxbut please that is an argument that maybe an analyst may raise - but not the representant of MSFeb 07 20:20
twitterI have yet to meet a real person who did not like their EEE PC or other netbook.Feb 07 20:20
twitterI do know of several former Windows users who liked them.Feb 07 20:21
amd-linuxcome on imagine a compqany advertising its products with "it is not good but people are used to it"????Feb 07 20:21
twitterWhen you think about it, there are very few GNU/Linux users who were not at one time Windows users.Feb 07 20:21
MinceRthey usually call it "intuitive"Feb 07 20:21
amd-linuxrightFeb 07 20:22
MinceR(as we all know there's no such thing as an "intuitive" ui)Feb 07 20:22
twitternot even the famous breast.  moms have to learn how to feed baby.Feb 07 20:22
amd-linuxif somebody wants to use a netbok for skype or internet, he/she does not care if there is Windows or Linux or krachmaniko under the hoodFeb 07 20:22
twitterfortunately, the interface remains the for all the mom's kids.Feb 07 20:22
amd-linuxlike I do not care what kind of engine my laundering machine usesFeb 07 20:23
amd-linuxas long it works and does not fetch a virus or trojan.... :-)Feb 07 20:24
MinceRi'd like to try this Krachmaniko OS ;)Feb 07 20:24
amd-linuxOk, I will start it as a little project - as an OS for laundering machines ;-)Feb 07 20:24
schestowitzHeyFeb 07 20:24
schestowitzTallken: yes, that happens sometime.Feb 07 20:25
schestowitz*timesFeb 07 20:25
amd-linuxMinceR: Krachmaiko OS will be finished together with GNU/HurdFeb 07 20:25
schestowitzAnd Duke Nukem Forever.Feb 07 20:26
amd-linuxwell, maybe together with Duke Nukem Forever :-)Feb 07 20:26
schestowitzI'm preparing text regarding the Slog. It's 66-pages longFeb 07 20:27
amd-linuxhehe same thought ;-)Feb 07 20:27
schestowitzRelates to V7 sub-notebooks in waysFeb 07 20:27
schestowitzI'm in page 39. it's dynamite in placeFeb 07 20:28
schestowitzTomorrow I have an even bigger synamiteFeb 07 20:28
amd-linuxV7?Feb 07 20:29
amd-linuxVia?Feb 07 20:29
twitterVista 7Feb 07 20:30
schestowitzhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/V8Feb 07 20:30
amd-linuxAh - you mean Vista SP3....Feb 07 20:31
twitterglug glug glugFeb 07 20:31
schestowitzhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/V-2Feb 07 20:31
schestowitzhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/V-1_flying_bombFeb 07 20:31
schestowitzV7 (Vista7) is  gonna BOMBFeb 07 20:31
schestowitzhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/V_for_VendettaFeb 07 20:32
amd-linuxI hope it - netbooks are currently taking off - with or without Windows, they destroy MSFeb 07 20:33
amd-linuxas their margins erode - I mentioned that we have a Via netbook here in Germany that comes for as low as 149 Euro.Feb 07 20:33
amd-linuxUbuntu preinstalledFeb 07 20:33
Tallkenschestowitz, oh ok :)Feb 07 20:34
amd-linuxand boy, what do you think how Windows powered netbooks can compete with a machines for sub 100 euro?Feb 07 20:34
amd-linuxthe fall of this price barrier is a question of monthsFeb 07 20:35
PetoKrausmachines for sub-100 €Feb 07 20:35
PetoKrausi'm gonna take a close look on thatFeb 07 20:35
amd-linuxlook here: http://www.one.de/shop/one-no...Feb 07 20:36
amd-linuxthe best: they are a MS certified Gold Partner :-)Feb 07 20:37
amd-linuxbut their top sellers run Ubuntu 8.04 :-)Feb 07 20:37
schestowitzamd-linux: yes, agrees re: marginsFeb 07 20:38
schestowitzMicrosoft reposes this situationFeb 07 20:38
schestowitzIt tries to make it like a WIndows winFeb 07 20:38
schestowitzSuddenly they neglect profit and count installs.... the opposite of how they treat Linux (e.g. IDC lies).Feb 07 20:39
schestowitzamd-linux: MS' problem is not x86Feb 07 20:39
amd-linuxthey can only slow down the movement towards OS as commodityFeb 07 20:39
schestowitzChina is coming up with MIPS... ARM brings Linux machines that run ALL DAYFeb 07 20:39
amd-linuxright, ARMFeb 07 20:39
schestowitzIntel almost runs at a loss nowFeb 07 20:40
schestowitzIt sacked 6000 peopleFeb 07 20:40
amd-linuxand they only have Windows Mobile for Arm which is not binary compatibleFeb 07 20:40
amd-linuxto Windows XP/Vista7Feb 07 20:40
schestowitzSo maybe they won't go into losses just yet... Intel is a criminal company... shreds criminal evidence tooFeb 07 20:40
schestowitzWindows Mobile/CE is dying anywayFeb 07 20:40
PetoKrausVIA c7Feb 07 20:40
PetoKraushmmFeb 07 20:40
PetoKrausdoesn't look badFeb 07 20:41
amd-linuxwell, but Intel at least broke up with MS girlfriendFeb 07 20:41
amd-linuxPetoKraus: well, dont expect a notebook replacement, thoughFeb 07 20:42
PetoKrausactually i don'tFeb 07 20:42
amd-linuxit is a cheap machine between a smartphone and a notebookFeb 07 20:42
PetoKrausnotebook is desktop replacement for meFeb 07 20:42
amd-linuxbut the price makes it attractiveFeb 07 20:42
PetoKrausso i don't expect something to replace it even furtherFeb 07 20:42
PetoKrausyeahFeb 07 20:42
PetoKrausthoughFeb 07 20:42
PetoKrausi wonder what sort of memory slots does it haveFeb 07 20:43
PetoKrauscramping it up with 2GB ram could actually work really fastFeb 07 20:43
PetoKrausyou'd basically mirror your HDD in a ramdiskFeb 07 20:43
PetoKrausis there anything cheaper on the market atm?Feb 07 20:44
amd-linuxmaybe none - I asked in the German ubuntu forum for experiences with the machine no reply so far but I think I will get one as a cheap Skype machineFeb 07 20:44
amd-linuxonly OLPCFeb 07 20:44
amd-linuxRoy: Did you already check if Intel's Atom successor is x86 compatible? Talijng about Mooretown: http://www.eetimes.com/news/semi/show...Feb 07 20:46
amd-linuxas far as I understnand, it is NOT - meaning that Windows will not run on itFeb 07 20:46
amd-linuxwhich, in turn, raises the question what MS will have in its sleeve for machines powered with Mooretown?Feb 07 20:47
PetoKraushow much does XO cost?Feb 07 20:47
PetoKraus199 and one is donated?Feb 07 20:47
amd-linuxIMHO: Nothing excpet of Windows Mobile - which is a joke and not binary compatible with WindowsFeb 07 20:47
amd-linuxYes, I think so - you can get it via AmazonFeb 07 20:48
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ramihey guys, its Rami from hehe2.net :)Feb 07 20:50
schestowitzHey ramiFeb 07 20:53
schestowitzWhat's up?Feb 07 20:53
schestowitztrmanco: buzzed you.Feb 07 20:53
ramiHey, RoyFeb 07 20:53
ramiroy right?Feb 07 20:53
schestowitzYesFeb 07 20:53
trmancohe is hereFeb 07 20:53
trmancocoolFeb 07 20:54
schestowitzThanks for linking to us. We never spoke beforeFeb 07 20:54
ramiya trmanco tweeted meFeb 07 20:54
trmancorami, hi there :)Feb 07 20:54
ramiya we never did, but you also link to me, and thanks....but I always see you on digg :)Feb 07 20:54
ramitrmanco, hey whats upFeb 07 20:54
schestowitzrami: too many shills in DiggFeb 07 20:54
schestowitzI used to be there a lotFeb 07 20:55
schestowitzAlmost 14000 commentsFeb 07 20:55
ramiya ya I know :)Feb 07 20:55
trmancorami, just reading the newsFeb 07 20:55
schestowitzrami: I do a lot of Comes these days. I know you focus on advocacy like I doFeb 07 20:55
ramiyeah I do, but am not as good as you guysFeb 07 20:56
schestowitzIn lack of material for advocacy, Microsoft's unearthed crimes are worth inspection. There are many thousands of them.Feb 07 20:56
ramiplus am not really an expert...am just a marketeer :DFeb 07 20:56
schestowitzWe need people's original articles to spread the wordFeb 07 20:57
ramiYup very true.Feb 07 20:57
ramiJust changed my blog's nameFeb 07 20:58
trmancoI like the new name batter than the old oneFeb 07 20:58
trmancobetter*Feb 07 20:58
schestowitzrami: good choiceFeb 07 20:58
schestowitzI saw Royal Hehe2 in Netscape when it was new, IIRCFeb 07 20:58
schestowitzAlmost 2 years agoFeb 07 20:58
schestowitzThe name mystified me because it sounds unprofessional (no offense intended)Feb 07 20:59
schestowitzI'm still stuck with the name "boycott Novell" which was not my choiceFeb 07 20:59
ramiwell it is unprofessionalFeb 07 20:59
ramibecause the whole blog was just an impulsive thing, never really intended to do it for the long run, and I sure never intended for it to be a linux advocacyFeb 07 21:00
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ramiI just decided to play around with hosts and servers because I never done that before :PFeb 07 21:01
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schestowitzrami: it works thoughFeb 07 21:02
schestowitzwb, conley Feb 07 21:02
schestowitzrami: you ought to post more often, I think.Feb 07 21:02
ramischestowitz, yes I sure do! But I need time really, am gonna quit my day job soon, and going to the US for my masters, that should free up some timeFeb 07 21:03
ramischestowitz, and of course any of you guys are more than welcome to guest post :)Feb 07 21:03
conleyhelloFeb 07 21:05
schestowitzrami: thanks, that's good to hearFeb 07 21:05
schestowitzWhat field will you be focused on?Feb 07 21:05
ramischestowitz, well, I try to focus on the simple stuff, things that regular people would understand. I try to put myself in the shoes of people who don't understand anything about Linux, yet still tech savvy...Feb 07 21:09
schestowitzGNU/Linux suffers from the corruptionFeb 07 21:09
schestowitzI came to realise this years agoFeb 07 21:09
ramiAlso I try to advocate the powers of Linux and Open Source, not the weaknesses of other platforms/models....but of course there is always that snide remark here and thereFeb 07 21:09
schestowitzLike the "less than 1%" mythFeb 07 21:10
schestowitzThat's a big lie, you know?Feb 07 21:10
schestowitzrami: I advocates for yearsFeb 07 21:10
ramithe usage is less than 1%?Feb 07 21:10
schestowitzBut what do you do when Microsoft unleashes attack dogs?Feb 07 21:10
schestowitzYou could either continue advocating or expose the attack dogsFeb 07 21:10
schestowitzrami: no, it's likely around 5% on the desktopFeb 07 21:11
schestowitzOf course, Apple and Microsoft also have this hypnosis of "deskop=computer"Feb 07 21:11
ramiya I know about the less that 1% mythFeb 07 21:12
ramianyways it can't be accurately quantified, but I know its not 1%Feb 07 21:12
schestowitzrami: I wrote posts to rebut thisFeb 07 21:13
schestowitzIf someone says it, you need to rebutFeb 07 21:13
schestowitzIf you don't challenge the big lie, then it become false consensusFeb 07 21:13
ramitrue, and whats the rebut?Feb 07 21:13
schestowitzThe last summary of the issues is here: http://boycottnovell.com/2009/02/06/net-a...Feb 07 21:16
schestowitzI wrote about this some days ago and it almost made the front page of Digg. I didn't submit this second one (update).Feb 07 21:20
ramischestowitz, hehe, we have different strategies in advocating though. Not that anyone is wrongFeb 07 21:22
schestowitzYes, I knowFeb 07 21:23
schestowitzMaybe if you saw how much corruption drives some companies....Feb 07 21:23
ramiI like your strategy as a read, but not for writingFeb 07 21:24
schestowitzOh.Feb 07 21:24
schestowitzWell, if by advocating Linux you'd get attacked personally, you'd understand :-)Feb 07 21:24
ramiI already gotten attacked personallyFeb 07 21:26
ramion the comments at leastFeb 07 21:26
schestowitzWait until they attack you via employersFeb 07 21:28
ramiwell my blog isn't called "boycott novell" ....that would set all novell after my ass :PFeb 07 21:29
trmancoLOLFeb 07 21:29
schestowitzDo you know Larry LEssig?Feb 07 21:30
ramiof courseFeb 07 21:30
schestowitzHe does what we do... but for copyleftFeb 07 21:30
schestowitzOr Creative Commons, whatever... some philosophyFeb 07 21:30
schestowitzPeople attacked him in comments, conglomerates smear him in forums and after 10 years promoting positively he gave upFeb 07 21:31
schestowitzHe realised that he had been fighting against corruption without actually addressing its sourceFeb 07 21:31
schestowitz[H]omer probably knows this story very well. It took a shewed professor 10 years to realise that eradication corruption is worth pursuing for it's the barrier to betterment like FOSS. But we're not supposed to /see/ itFeb 07 21:32
ramiand whats the source?Feb 07 21:33
schestowitzWhere?Feb 07 21:34
PetoKraus<schestowitz> He realised that he had been fighting against corruption without actually addressing its sourceFeb 07 21:35
ramiyou said that lessig was fighting against corruption without adresssing the sourceFeb 07 21:35
ramiwhats the source?Feb 07 21:37
*schestowitz done 66 pages :-)Feb 07 21:38
schestowitzrami: he was fighting for reasonable copyright law, but the corrupt people were standing in the wayFeb 07 21:38
schestowitzSo he decided to go after their deeds. Y'know, research this time of white-collar crime.Feb 07 21:39
ramiNow he gave up and went to harvard for something else I reckon?Feb 07 21:39
schestowitzYesFeb 07 21:40
schestowitzSimilar stuffFeb 07 21:40
schestowitzPharmas' corrupt researchFeb 07 21:40
schestowitzThis is a generic problem, includes global warming deniers, even stuff like Net ApplicationsFeb 07 21:41
schestowitzhttp://open.salon.com/content.php?cid=97498Feb 07 21:50
schestowitzUS military suicide rate at record high < http://www.wsws.org/articles/200... >Feb 07 21:51
schestowitzHeathrow security defuses deadly rice-milk threat by insisting that it be decanted into baby-bottles < http://www.boingboing.net/2009/02/05/h... >Feb 07 21:53
MinceRhttp://yro.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=...Feb 07 21:58
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ramischestowitz, you didn't introduce me to the room...Feb 07 22:14
schestowitzOh, sorry about that.Feb 07 22:14
schestowitzGuys, rami is the Webmaster of a splendid Linux site that attracts thousands of readers and he's a famous Digg user.Feb 07 22:15
trmanco;)Feb 07 22:15
schestowitzrami: many of the people here are more or less ardent advocates of Free software. We have our share of stalkers and trolls here, like in most fora :-)Feb 07 22:16
schestowitzFor example, benJIman is here for "entertainment" (he dislikes BoycottNovell) and flex__, for example, is an OpenSUSE guyFeb 07 22:17
schestowitzOn rarer occasions Microsoft employees enter the channel as well.Feb 07 22:17
ramilol, candidFeb 07 22:17
ramiand we hate OPENsuse right?Feb 07 22:17
schestowitzNoFeb 07 22:17
schestowitzBut they are not happy with opposition to Novell, which owns and sponsors OpenSUSE.Feb 07 22:18
ramiSuse was my first distro 3 years agoFeb 07 22:18
trmancoUbuntu was my first distro 2 years agoFeb 07 22:19
trmanco:-pFeb 07 22:19
ramispeaking of Ubuntu, is it just me or is Ubuntu's sound management is f****ed up?Feb 07 22:19
trmancopulseaudio is what f's it up IMOFeb 07 22:19
ramiMy sound works with a fresh restart, and then suddenly stops at some random pointFeb 07 22:20
trmancoI use ALSAFeb 07 22:20
trmancoI changes these setting in the gnome volume menuFeb 07 22:20
trmancochanged*Feb 07 22:20
trmancosettings*Feb 07 22:20
ramiDid all that, sound and the mic used to work fine on 7.10...lost input in 8.04 and now I lose sound every X amount of hours :SFeb 07 22:21
trmanco:|Feb 07 22:21
trmancoI have no problems at allFeb 07 22:21
trmancogood thing we have a choiceFeb 07 22:22
schestowitzpulseaudio burned me yesterdayFeb 07 22:25
schestowitzI was recording some staff in audacious and it messed up for the first time, well... ever. Since I set up this machine.Feb 07 22:26
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ramihttp://news.cnet.com/8301-13505_3-...Feb 07 22:38
schestowitzComputer virus shuts down Houston municipal courts < http://www.chron.com/disp/stor... >Feb 07 22:39
schestowitzHi, burmas Feb 07 22:39
schestowitzrami: thanks, 3 people (at least) beat him to it.Feb 07 22:39
ramibeat matt asay?Feb 07 22:40
schestowitzYesFeb 07 22:41
schestowitzHold on.Feb 07 22:41
schestowitzPosted here first: http://blogs.the451group.com/opensource/2009/02/0...Feb 07 22:42
schestowitzThen I wrote about it in: http://boycottnovell.com/2009/02/06/micro...Feb 07 22:42
schestowitzThan Glyn Moody: http://opendotdotdot.blogspot.com/200...Feb 07 22:43
schestowitz*thenFeb 07 22:43
ramischestowitz, lol well you know my main source of news is digg.com :PFeb 07 22:45
ramiI need to fix this sound issue, what service should I restart?Feb 07 22:46
schestowitzCan you change the sound server?Feb 07 22:46
ramifor sound events I have alsaFeb 07 22:47
schestowitzwith arts i'd just 'killall artsd && artsd'Feb 07 22:47
ramifor music and movies I have pulseaudioFeb 07 22:47
schestowitzHmmmm.... Ubuntu 8.10?Feb 07 22:48
ramiyaFeb 07 22:48
ramiaudiotestsrc wave=sine freq=512 ! audioconvert ! audioresample ! gconfaudiosink: Could not open audio device for playback. Device is being used by another application.Feb 07 22:48
ramithats when I press the test button on the guiFeb 07 22:48
schestowitzCan you change sound server?Feb 07 22:48
schestowitzThere's a lock on it. Something hijacks itFeb 07 22:49
ramiya thats what I thought...how can I find out?Feb 07 22:49
schestowitzCan you see a pattern?Feb 07 22:49
raminope, it never stopped while am working...I leave it and go to sleep wake up and find the sound outFeb 07 22:49
schestowitzAlso see your tasks/processes in topFeb 07 22:50
schestowitzSee if something is hogged upFeb 07 22:50
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schestowitzMaybe toros@ubuntu/member/toro will know.Feb 07 22:50
toroshi :)Feb 07 22:51
schestowitzHeyFeb 07 22:51
ramihey toros :)Feb 07 22:51
schestowitzHow familiar are you with Ubuntu\?Feb 07 22:51
schestowitzrami: have you googled to find a similar diagnosis?Feb 07 22:51
toroshmmm... what's the question?Feb 07 22:52
ramidone that a lot, can't remember what was the results, but this has been going on for months nowFeb 07 22:52
ramimy sound just randomly dies, just a restart would solve itFeb 07 22:52
ramimy dmesg http://pastebin.com/m52ef64d4Feb 07 22:52
torosHmmm, I don't know, what it could be...Feb 07 22:55
ramisomething is locking up sound for meFeb 07 22:55
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ramiaudiotestsrc wave=sine freq=512 ! audioconvert ! audioresample ! gconfaudiosink: Failed to connect: Connection refusedFeb 07 22:55
torosthese random things are always mysteriousFeb 07 22:55
toroswhat kind of chip is this?Feb 07 22:56
schestowitz:-) http://linuxshellaccount.blogspot.com/2009/...Feb 07 22:56
rami00:1f.5 Multimedia audio controller: Intel Corporation 82801EB/ER (ICH5/ICH5R) AC'97 Audio Controller (rev 02)Feb 07 22:57
torosI have a similar controller: Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801G (ICH7 Family) High Definition Audio Controller (rev 02)Feb 07 22:59
torosI think, Intel provides open source drivers for both of them... so they should just workFeb 07 23:00
ramithey work, but they just abruptly stopFeb 07 23:00
torosmaybe it could be also a hardware-side bug...Feb 07 23:00
ramibeen on this machine for years, only started doing this with 8.04Feb 07 23:00
torosIt could be also a PulseAudio bugFeb 07 23:01
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torosThey use pulseaudio since hardyFeb 07 23:01
ramicould I just unistall pulseaudio?Feb 07 23:01
ramischestowitz, there dugg! http://digg.com/software/Firefox_Spott...Feb 07 23:02
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ramigah whatever am gonna restartFeb 07 23:04
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trmanco"Anyway, Vista 7 comes in a "Starter Edition" which is only able to run 3Feb 07 23:13
trmancoapps simultaneously."Feb 07 23:13
toroslol, that's 2 more, what an average user is able to controll ;)Feb 07 23:15
trmancoso, microsoft knows they can't beat Linux on netbooks, so they will bundle netbooks with V7 starter edition so that the people who buy can think netbook are crap and thus microsot will try and destroy the netbook marketFeb 07 23:15
trmanco"only 3 apps running at the same time?Feb 07 23:16
trmancoLet's see:Feb 07 23:16
trmancoantivirusFeb 07 23:16
trmancoantispywareFeb 07 23:16
trmancodefrag...Feb 07 23:16
trmanco"Feb 07 23:16
torosHave you read this article? http://news.cnet.com/8301-13505_3-10...Feb 07 23:22
trmancoThe European Commission and Microsoft: http://blog.lizardwrangler.com/2009/02/06/t...Feb 07 23:22
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trmancojust read itFeb 07 23:23
schestowitztoros: yes, we covered it tooFeb 07 23:26
schestowitzhttp://boycottnovell.com/2009/02/06/m...Feb 07 23:26
torossorry, you have so many articles, and I haven't discovered this yet :)Feb 07 23:27
torosI just started reading your siteFeb 07 23:28
*balzac_afk is now known as balzacFeb 07 23:29
schestowitztoros: thanks, and welcomeFeb 07 23:32
torosI knew that there is a site called boycottnovell, but I never checked it until nowFeb 07 23:37
torosand I am surprised now, how active it is :)Feb 07 23:37
torosehhh, you have written about this to: http://boycottnovell.com/2008/05/1...Feb 07 23:42
toros:)Feb 07 23:42
trmancolooolFeb 07 23:42
torosIt was funny... I know the guy in person who threw the eggs :)Feb 07 23:42
trmancoeven funnier if you know himFeb 07 23:43
trmancotoros, his reason?Feb 07 23:43
toroscorruption...Feb 07 23:44
MinceRthat 25 million HUF deal, iircFeb 07 23:44
toroshttp://boycottnovell.com/2008/05/24/...Feb 07 23:45
toros25 billion HUFFeb 07 23:45
torosthat is now about 112 million USDFeb 07 23:46
MinceRoh.Feb 07 23:46
MinceR:)Feb 07 23:47
schestowitztoros: yes, that Ballmer thing is old by now.Feb 07 23:47
schestowitzWe have almost 6000 postsFeb 07 23:47
torosthe guy is a Linux user (I think, he uses Debian), and we met sometimes on sysadmin days, release parties...Feb 07 23:47
schestowitzHe has a siteFeb 07 23:48
schestowitzYellow background, I can't recall the addressFeb 07 23:48
torosyes, I know his siteFeb 07 23:50
MinceRhttp://nagyorgy.uw.hu/Feb 07 23:50
MinceRhe moved the yellow-background page to http://nagyorgy.uw.hu/fsf/ thoughFeb 07 23:50
schestowitzWhat does the site's name translation again?Feb 07 23:53
schestowitzIt could be something vulgar.Feb 07 23:53
torosno, there's nothing vulgar on it...Feb 07 23:54
MinceRi don't see anything vulgar there eitherFeb 07 23:54
schestowitzWas detention something that involved moving to IIS? The site is painfully slow.Feb 07 23:54
torosthe yellow is about Free Softwares, and it says, that we should support a Hungarian Foundation for Free Software (FSF.hu)Feb 07 23:54
schestowitzThe press didn't tell his storyFeb 07 23:55
schestowitz"man throws egg at Ballmer"Feb 07 23:55
schestowitzNot "Ballmer commits usual crimes and get rotten tomatoes for it"Feb 07 23:55
schestowitzThat's business press... no investigationFeb 07 23:55
schestowitz'Poor' Gates... the 'charlatan' that's being chased after by the horrible hounds like Neelie... those 'harsh' regulators who want to enforce justice and law.Feb 07 23:56
schestowitz"The government is not trying to destroy Microsoft, it’s simply seeking to compel Microsoft to obey the law. It’s quite revealing that Mr. Gates equates the two." --Government officialFeb 07 23:57
torosthe green (the newer) is more political...Feb 07 23:57
schestowitzThere's lots to talk aboutFeb 07 23:57
MinceRthe site is on a free providerFeb 07 23:58
MinceR(and at least here, all free providers suck)Feb 07 23:58
schestowitzThere are hardly any facilities for reporting corruption, even when and where you know it exists. The authorities are better at handling small potatoes like shopliting but they can't handle Big Crime (white collar) from Bi Criminals.Feb 07 23:58
schestowitzMinceR: they may suck, but they don't suck bandwisthFeb 07 23:58

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