| schestowitz | nn | Feb 25 00:03 |
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| schestowitz | "A four-year study of more than 1,200 youngsters performed by the University of Massachusetts Medical School found that children whose parents let them watch R-rated movies are more likely to smoke." Kids Who Watch R-Rated Movies More Likely to Smoke < http://www.prwatch.org/node/8233 > | Feb 25 00:05 |
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| schestowitz | BakBone ourra ops: "BakBone Software€® (Pink Sheets:BKBO)" http://www.businesswire.com/portal... | Feb 25 00:07 |
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| Balrog_ | not surprising | Feb 25 00:17 |
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| schestowitz | Britain faces summer of rage - police < http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2009/feb/23/pol... > | Feb 25 00:18 |
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| schestowitz | It's like Great Depression all over again | Feb 25 00:19 |
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| schestowitz | People who are not broke totally misunderstand why this is serious. If someone loses his/her houses it's a serious problem for everyone because crime soars and unrest rises. | Feb 25 00:19 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.stallman.org/archives/2008-no... " UK police warn that lots of people unemployed might join in protests against the privileged few who are not sharing their hardship, or trashing the envrionment. The report takes for granted that the state should try to suppress these grievances rather than act on them. " | Feb 25 00:20 |
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| schestowitz | US soldier guilty of Iraq murder < http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/... >. Finally they apply the same standards in the other way. | Feb 25 00:21 |
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| schestowitz | balzac: http://consortiumnews.com/2009/021909.html "For those of us who have criticized the U.S. mainstream media for failing to resist right-wing pressure over the past three decades, there is a sad sense of vindication watching the downward spiral of so many once-venerable newspapers. But this trend carries with it a new threat to American democracy." | Feb 25 00:22 |
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| schestowitz | Ballmer is afraid of Google's Linux: Ballmer: Android makes Google a bigger rival to Windows on PCs < http://www.techflash.com/Ballmer_Android... > | Feb 25 00:39 |
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| *schestowitz will post more details in today's links | Feb 25 00:39 |
| Balrog | schestowitz: I missed you at 18:35 | Feb 25 00:43 |
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| Balrog | who's dailykossers anyways? | Feb 25 00:44 |
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| schestowitz | Balrog: I was at the gym | Feb 25 00:44 |
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| schestowitz | Daily Koss is a politcial site | Feb 25 00:44 |
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| Balrog_ | you said "Balrog: what do dailykossers say about this? Do they want justice and accomplices?" | Feb 25 00:44 |
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| schestowitz | *Kos | Feb 25 00:44 |
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| schestowitz | Oh, I meant to address this @ balzac | Feb 25 00:45 |
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| Balrog_ | ah ... that explains it | Feb 25 00:45 |
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| schestowitz | He left like 10k comments in there | Feb 25 00:45 |
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| Balrog_ | I see what happens when 2 people have similar nicks :P | Feb 25 00:45 |
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| schestowitz | Nice banner: http://themysticbird.com/2009/02/20... | Feb 25 00:47 |
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| schestowitz | Blakenhorn with another trollish hypothesis *sigh!* Could the Linux Foundation get too big? < http://blogs.zdnet.com/open-source/?p=3551 > | Feb 25 01:02 |
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| schestowitz | I broke one of the machines at the gym today :-| The squat machine that I maxed... second time I break it in 2 years :-S | Feb 25 01:09 |
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| Balrog_ | heh | Feb 25 01:16 |
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| Balrog_ | need to pay for it? | Feb 25 01:17 |
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| schestowitz | No, of course not. | Feb 25 01:17 |
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| Balrog_ | ok. | Feb 25 01:17 |
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| schestowitz | I've been going there for 7 years | Feb 25 01:17 |
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| Balrog_ | I see | Feb 25 01:17 |
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| schestowitz | It's not my fault either because the sable snapped | Feb 25 01:18 |
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| Balrog_ | ah. | Feb 25 01:18 |
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| schestowitz | LOL http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oiP... | Feb 25 03:05 |
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| zer0c00l | time for classes | Feb 25 03:07 |
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| *Topic for #boycottnovell is: "Exploring the reality behind exclusionary deals with Microsoft and their subtle (yet severe) implications" [publicly logged] | Feb 25 04:19 |
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| mib_9az8ei | where is there a warning list of distros that have sold out to MS? | Feb 25 09:57 |
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| MinceR | such a list would be nice | Feb 25 10:05 |
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| MinceR | the distros i know of are suse, xandros, turbolinux and linspire | Feb 25 10:05 |
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| mib_ka8p78 | ummm... Eshays? | Feb 25 10:38 |
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| MinceR | gesundheit. | Feb 25 10:48 |
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| schestowitz | Morning.. | Feb 25 10:49 |
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| mib_9az8ei | redhat told MS to piss off | Feb 25 10:54 |
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| schestowitz | Where? | Feb 25 11:02 |
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| schestowitz | When..? | Feb 25 11:02 |
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| schestowitz | Banking app vuln surfaces 18 months after discovery < http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009... > | Feb 25 11:09 |
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| schestowitz | balzac: we're having the same problem here as you do in the US. From the news: Straw vetoes publication of cabinet Iraq war minutes < http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2... > | Feb 25 11:26 |
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| schestowitz | Google Backs Europe Case Against Microsoft Browser < http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2009/02/24... > | Feb 25 11:26 |
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| schestowitz | Home Office plans to force CCTV on shops and pubs < http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/0... > | Feb 25 11:28 |
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| schestowitz | Straw slaps ban on Iraq debate docs http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/0... | Feb 25 11:47 |
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| schestowitz | "Mobile phone chip maker Qualcomm is considering laying off up to 40 engineers at its Cambridge labs, an insider has revealed." http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/0... | Feb 25 11:48 |
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| schestowitz | "Straw hit by internet fraudsters .. UK Justice Secretary Jack Straw has been the victim of Nigerian fraudsters who sent out hundreds of e-mails in his name asking for money." http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_... | Feb 25 11:53 |
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| schestowitz | SNP accuse PM of airbrushing site http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_poli... | Feb 25 11:54 |
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| oiaohm | Nigerian fraudsters starting to expand reach. Nice | Feb 25 12:05 |
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| MinceR | note how this supposed "linux" site mentions only Active Directory as possible directory services >> http://www.linuxinsider.com/rsstory... | Feb 25 12:12 |
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| MinceR | then again, the article was written by a microsoft slave | Feb 25 12:13 |
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| schestowitz | ECT.. | Feb 25 12:13 |
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| schestowitz | It used to be a decent site | Feb 25 12:13 |
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| schestowitz | Then taken over by Enderle and chums when it was old.. | Feb 25 12:14 |
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| schestowitz | *sold | Feb 25 12:14 |
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| mib_9az8ei | LinuxInsider went over to MS a few years ago... | Feb 25 12:21 |
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| mib_9az8ei | before that it was good. | Feb 25 12:21 |
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| schestowitz | 2004 | Feb 25 12:22 |
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| schestowitz | IIRC | Feb 25 12:22 |
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| oiaohm | Some samba people believe that active directory is the solution. | Feb 25 12:22 |
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| schestowitz | I wrote about it in BN a few times.. | Feb 25 12:22 |
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| oiaohm | Ok samba version of it of course. | Feb 25 12:22 |
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| MinceR | so do they think AD is the solution or not? :> | Feb 25 12:22 |
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| MinceR | evidently, they don't, seeing how they're developing a replacement. | Feb 25 12:23 |
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| oiaohm | Samba AD is a drop in clone in development of the MS ADS over the wire. | Feb 25 12:24 |
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| oiaohm | It looks like its going to do its first major appearance after a project called franky completes. | Feb 25 12:24 |
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| oiaohm | Yes franky after frankinstin. Samba 3 and Samba 4 merged. | Feb 25 12:25 |
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| oiaohm | Yes ew | Feb 25 12:25 |
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| oiaohm | I hope freeipa or something else gets there first. | Feb 25 12:25 |
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| MinceR | which makes it a good first step for getting out of microsoft hell. | Feb 25 12:32 |
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| oiaohm | Also means if you use ADS to manage your linux machines they still stay in ADS hell. | Feb 25 12:33 |
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| oiaohm | ADS was not designed with Linux's features in mind. | Feb 25 12:33 |
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| oiaohm | Freeipa and pulse2 (from mandariva nothing to do with pulseaudio) are both design for the way Linux works. | Feb 25 12:40 |
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| MinceR | a smoother transition becomes possible :> | Feb 25 12:45 |
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| MinceR | what are freeipa and pulse2? directory services? | Feb 25 12:46 |
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| oiaohm | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FreeIPA Major expand on directory services | Feb 25 12:54 |
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| oiaohm | Mangement frameworks. | Feb 25 12:54 |
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| schestowitz | Juniper poisoned by Microsoft vs. Cisco: "(New CEO Kevin Johnson shared a grim IT spending outlook at the event.) " http://www.networkworld.com/news/2009/0... | Feb 25 13:08 |
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| amarsh04 | schestowitz... do you remember any official links for Mark Hurd's bonus package? | Feb 25 13:20 |
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| amarsh04 | my co-workers were stunned when they heard of his bonuses | Feb 25 13:21 |
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| schestowitz | I could search for information, but I never watched it closely, so I don't know. Some executives like to receive 1$ wages to deceive their employees (hiding their personal gains in bonuses and stocks). | Feb 25 13:24 |
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| MinceR | $1 is a bad choice for deception :> | Feb 25 13:25 |
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| oiaohm | Yahoo? | Feb 25 13:26 |
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| oiaohm | There was funny. 1$ wage because you could not be a board member without a wage. When you own large sections of the company why do you need a wage as well. | Feb 25 13:27 |
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| oiaohm | Lot of the payments of company boards and the laws around it need to be investaged. | Feb 25 13:27 |
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| amarsh04 | I seem to remember USD$24 million... will google it | Feb 25 13:28 |
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| amarsh04 | I was wrong... the first hits are getting US$42.8 million | Feb 25 13:30 |
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| schestowitz | Just in: Rivals Sun and H-P Hope to Make News Together < http://blogs.wsj.com/digits/2009/02/24/riva... > | Feb 25 13:33 |
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| MinceR | a little more than your best-paid employee would probably be a better choice of a wage if your aim was deception | Feb 25 13:34 |
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| schestowitz | amarsh04: he cashes in for his 'overachievements' | Feb 25 13:34 |
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| schestowitz | MinceR: maybe there is also an element of humour in it. it's also how they can show off their 'humbleness' in the press (headlines of paras about 'funny' wages). | Feb 25 13:35 |
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| amarsh04 | found the edgar posting of HP executive remuneration Mark V Hurd USD$42,514,524; Ann M. Livermore USD$20,551,493 | Feb 25 13:35 |
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| MinceR | ic | Feb 25 13:35 |
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| MinceR | and who believes them? | Feb 25 13:35 |
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| schestowitz | "Ellison makes 100k/year" doesn't make interesting news | Feb 25 13:36 |
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| schestowitz | Oracle shareholders choke on Ellison's package < http://www.theregister.co.uk/200... > | Feb 25 13:36 |
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| schestowitz | "His 2008 cash and stock package weighed in at $83m last year, 372 per cent above what Ellison's peers in other chief executive positions receive. Successive stock allocations, meanwhile, have transformed Ellison into possibly Oracle's single biggest individual stockholder - he holds 22.6 per cent of common Oracle stock." | Feb 25 13:37 |
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| oiaohm | Yahoo needed advertisement when they first did it. | Feb 25 13:45 |
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| oiaohm | So yes 1 dollar wages if you can afford to do it is good marketing tool. | Feb 25 13:45 |
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| schestowitz | Google too | Feb 25 13:51 |
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| schestowitz | Apple I think also.... | Feb 25 13:51 |
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| twitter | bwa, ha ha. M$FT hit a new 52 week low yesterday. | Feb 25 14:28 |
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| twitter | $16.36, now trading at 16.91 | Feb 25 14:29 |
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| twitter | I got to play with an iTouch yesterday. | Feb 25 14:32 |
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| twitter | It looks like a nice PDA and needs to be liberated with free software. | Feb 25 14:32 |
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| schestowitz | 'Liberated' with DRM..... | Feb 25 14:33 |
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| twitter | eliminating DRM would be the best thing about putting free software on the device. | Feb 25 14:34 |
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| twitter | how difficult has Apple made liberation? | Feb 25 14:35 |
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| twitter | gotta go, will be back soon. | Feb 25 14:36 |
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| schestowitz | They are in for profit only. "Screw everything else" | Feb 25 14:37 |
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| oiaohm | Funny thing is DRM is not the most effective deterent. | Feb 25 14:37 |
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| oiaohm | Watermarking with personal information is. | Feb 25 14:37 |
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| oiaohm | Ie the person who aquired it personal information. | Feb 25 14:38 |
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| schestowitz | This does not expire content | Feb 25 14:39 |
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| schestowitz | Several years back there was an admission that content expiry is a revenue boosting tool. | Feb 25 14:40 |
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| schestowitz | E.g. user buys a new music player or PVR and then needs to repurchase content or buy more | Feb 25 14:40 |
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| schestowitz | This notion that one European psychologist (IIRC) named "planned obsolescence is at the heart of this endless 'consumption' (as in "consumer") cycle | Feb 25 14:41 |
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| mib_a1xa87 | hi. fellas. i wonder if someone has been able to get express gate into a mobo/system without windows | Feb 25 15:06 |
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| schestowitz | It's hard | Feb 25 15:08 |
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| schestowitz | If not impossible | Feb 25 15:08 |
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| schestowitz | Did you see the post about it? | Feb 25 15:08 |
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| Omar87 | Hi all | Feb 25 15:16 |
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| Omar87 | So, what do ya'll think of the agreement Red Hat signed with MS a couple of days ago? | Feb 25 15:16 |
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| schestowitz | It's not yet known what it involves | Feb 25 15:18 |
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| MinceR | i think it's a mistake, but it isn't an overly big one | Feb 25 15:22 |
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| Omar87 | Let ua | Feb 25 15:35 |
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| Omar87 | I meant: Let us all hope so.. | Feb 25 15:36 |
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| Omar87 | It's funny how sometimes when I talk to people about Linux, that they start calling me a fan boy. :) | Feb 25 15:37 |
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| schestowitz | If you talked about Windows, then..? | Feb 25 15:42 |
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| schestowitz | Heh. "Freedom fanboys". I thought people can only be fans of celerities or brands (corporations). "Hey, YOU! You vegetables fanboy (vegetarian) [...] and YOU, you females fangirls (women rights activists) .." | Feb 25 15:44 |
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| schestowitz | Canadian prof: Green IT is a waste of time < http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/02... > | Feb 25 15:47 |
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| MinceR | you damn life fanboys | Feb 25 15:50 |
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| MinceR | and oxygen fanboys | Feb 25 15:51 |
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| schestowitz | Giorgio Armani Realizes That Fashion Copying Isn't A Bad Thing < http://techdirt.com/articles/2009021... > | Feb 25 16:01 |
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| schestowitz | There is one OS brand people are /expected/ to cherish (i.e. be a fan of). So keeping out of it is now "fanboyism"? GNU/Linux is commodity,not a company. It's like air.. it's shared. | Feb 25 16:02 |
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| MinceR | some people don't want to share. | Feb 25 16:06 |
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| MinceR | they call sharing "communism". | Feb 25 16:07 |
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| Goblin | Roy just a quick one....Ive got to go off soon....youve had a mention on another site: | Feb 25 16:07 |
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| Goblin | http://www.infoworld.com/article/09... | Feb 25 16:07 |
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| Goblin | seems like youre the word on Linux!! Welldone! | Feb 25 16:07 |
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| Goblin | cya later. | Feb 25 16:08 |
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| schestowitz | MinceR: you don't know? "Communists" are people who envy Americans (because they have McDonalds) and "Communists" have 40,000 nuclear weapons. They are the "bewildered herd". | Feb 25 16:11 |
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| MinceR | :) | Feb 25 16:12 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.chomsky.info/interviews/19900907.htm "Remember, after all, that this is basic liberal democratic theory -- I'm not making it up. If you read, say, Walter Lippmann, the dean of American journalism, who is also considered a leading progressive, democratic theorist, his argument is that, for a democracy to function properly, there are two different roles that have to be played: one is the role of what he called the speciali | Feb 25 16:13 |
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| schestowitz | zed class -- the responsible men, a small minority -- and the other is the role of the public, who he described as a "bewildered herd."" | Feb 25 16:13 |
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| schestowitz | "The role of the public, then, is to be spectators, not participants; their role is just to watch and occasionally to ratify. The decision making has to be in the hands of the elite. That's democracy. " | Feb 25 16:13 |
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| dongking | lol novell | Feb 25 16:16 |
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| dongking | who the fuck use that shit anyway ? | Feb 25 16:16 |
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| schestowitz | Yahoo To Lose Top Exec < http://www.webpronews.com/topnews... > | Feb 25 16:30 |
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| schestowitz | http://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/... | Feb 25 17:11 |
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| schestowitz | Head of OSI just mailed me :-) | Feb 25 17:20 |
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| Balrog | what did he say? | Feb 25 18:05 |
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| Balrog | (head of OSI) | Feb 25 18:05 |
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| schestowitz | probably private. | Feb 25 18:20 |
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| Balrog | OK then | Feb 25 18:20 |
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| schestowitz | Novell's Microsoft components are seemingly being elevated at the expense of others: http://boycottnovell.com/2009/02/2... | Feb 25 18:20 |
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| schestowitz | I'm doing a post about OOXML FAIL. | Feb 25 18:20 |
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| Balrog | heh | Feb 25 18:20 |
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| Balrog | OOSXML is working (in Microsoft's favor) because people who use office don't care how they save files | Feb 25 18:21 |
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| Balrog | unfortunately, that's not good for us (the end users) | Feb 25 18:22 |
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| schestowitz | It's never about the users | Feb 25 18:24 |
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| schestowitz | Remember what Microsoft says about developers: "they are pawns in the battle" | Feb 25 18:24 |
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| schestowitz | One of our regular readers appears to have set up a blog: http://myfraudsoft.wordpress... | Feb 25 18:56 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.itwire.com/content/view/23460/1231/ | Feb 25 19:01 |
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| schestowitz | India places billions of rupees for first manned space mission < http://www.itwire.com/content/... > | Feb 25 19:04 |
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| trmanco | Ballmer: Linux Bigger Competitor than Apple: http://osnews.com/story/21035/Ballmer_... | Feb 25 19:10 |
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| schestowitz | Shuttleowrth obviously didn't get Stallman's memo about "cloud" nonsense. "Ubuntu aims to keep free software at the forefront of cloud computing by embracing the API's of Amazon EC2, and making it easy for anybody to setup their own cloud using entirely open tools. " https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/u... | Feb 25 19:11 |
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| schestowitz | trmanco: yes, seen it and posted to COLA | Feb 25 19:11 |
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| schestowitz | This is not new by the way | Feb 25 19:11 |
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| trmanco | I missed it | Feb 25 19:11 |
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| schestowitz | He has been implying and saying this for eyars | Feb 25 19:11 |
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| trmanco | brb | Feb 25 19:12 |
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| schestowitz | Linux enables many rivals like Oracle, IBM, Red Hat, Google.. | Feb 25 19:12 |
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| balzac | Why does Mark Shuttleworth feel the need to say "cloud" when he could say "cluster" instead? | Feb 25 19:29 |
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| balzac | could sounds like a buzz-word, cluster is old terminology that everyone is comfortable with | Feb 25 19:29 |
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| balzac | cloud, not could | Feb 25 19:29 |
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| balzac | Stallman's rant was definitely against SaaS, commonly presented as 'cloud'-based services. He's obviously not against clustering, but he's against giving your data and control to someone else. | Feb 25 19:31 |
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| balzac | Sounds like good features to add into Ubuntu, as long as the distro doesn't become beholden to Amazon, following their technological leadership into the weeds. | Feb 25 19:32 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.prdomain.com/companies/A... "He holds 10 United States patents and is a regular contributor to prestigious academic journals and conferences." :-( | Feb 25 19:33 |
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| schestowitz | balzac: did you see the headlines? | Feb 25 19:34 |
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| schestowitz | Ubuntu cloud this and that. It's just buzz BS... marketing and all. | Feb 25 19:34 |
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| balzac | yeah | Feb 25 19:35 |
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| avuton | fad was more what I was thinking. It's one of those things that looks really cool to some people until they sit down and view the disadvantages. | Feb 25 19:36 |
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| balzac | Maybe Mark Shuttleworth should get together with Tim O'Reilly and the could ride pagasus/unicorns across a web 2.0 rainbow-bridge into cloud-computing heaven. | Feb 25 19:36 |
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| schestowitz | The major news today is the UK moving to open source, sorta | Feb 25 19:37 |
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| balzac | RMS is always critical of people giving away their control and rights. SaaS is not optimal for maintaining autonomy and privacy. | Feb 25 19:38 |
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| schestowitz | avuton: yes, but it also sounds good because of association with heaven. | Feb 25 19:38 |
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| schestowitz | I want HELL computing. Bring the pain, you fool !! | Feb 25 19:39 |
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| schestowitz | BTW, ORLY and Shuttleowrth are quite close. The former organised the latter's conference (Ubuntu Live).. | Feb 25 19:40 |
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| schestowitz | Just in: Desktops Will Move to the Cloud, VMware Exec Says < http://www.pcworld.com/article/160184/desk... > | Feb 25 19:41 |
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| schestowitz | Is this physically possible? Until they pry people's _desk_top to be put in server rooms, this is just willy-nilly stuff. | Feb 25 19:42 |
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| balzac | fluff-head marketing drivel | Feb 25 19:42 |
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| balzac | nobody is doing to take away my work station and "put it into their cloud". | Feb 25 19:43 |
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| balzac | any company which aspires to consolidate control over its IT staff in that manner would not work for me. | Feb 25 19:43 |
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| balzac | I will accept no administrator. | Feb 25 19:44 |
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| balzac | for my personal machine. | Feb 25 19:44 |
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| schestowitz | http://ninelivesmediainc.wordpress.com/about/ "The seeds for this business were planted a decade ago, when Amy (sales) and Joe (editorial) rapidly climbed the ranks at Ziff Davis." | Feb 25 19:45 |
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| schestowitz | CMP as well... it's interesting to see where those writers (Joe Panettieri in this case) come from. | Feb 25 19:46 |
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| schestowitz | balzac: they probably intend to pull people's data onto some datacentres so that it doesn't reside on people's HDD. The MI5 would /luv/ it. | Feb 25 19:46 |
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| schestowitz | Imagine a state where people just tap the 'masterputer' which is accessible to those who watch from above. This was essentially done when companies closed their code and become a de facto standard (e.g. Skype, Windows) | Feb 25 19:48 |
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| schestowitz | EXTRA EXTRA... more signs that the news is running out of news: Steve Jobs Turns 54 < http://www.pcworld.com/article/16019... > | Feb 25 19:49 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.nndb.com/lists/573/000106255/ | Feb 25 19:49 |
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| balzac | when people without an IT background attempt to be pundits in the IT industry, they write stories from a "human-interest" angle. The debate about proprietary vs free software has no meaning to them, but they know who pays their salaries. | Feb 25 19:50 |
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| schestowitz | Nancy Gohring is again doing one of those MS-cuddling 'articles': Microsoft Demos INNOVA~1 at Annual TechFest < http://www.pcworld.com/article/160197/m... >. DEVELO~1 DEVELO~1 DEVELO~1 DEVELO~1. | Feb 25 19:52 |
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| balzac | I guess that's a bit of a generalization. Some people, not all. | Feb 25 19:52 |
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| schestowitz | You have to ask what makes news | Feb 25 19:52 |
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| schestowitz | Is it business? | Feb 25 19:52 |
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| schestowitz | Entertainment? | Feb 25 19:52 |
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| schestowitz | PR[opaganda]? | Feb 25 19:52 |
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| schestowitz | Microsoft roots the Mac: "According to Microsoft, once successfully executed the attacker could gain the same user permissions as the local user." < http://www.pcworld.com/article/160205/mi... > | Feb 25 19:53 |
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| balzac | Micro-seef | Feb 25 19:56 |
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| balzac | seefing off of everyone else's innovations | Feb 25 19:56 |
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| balzac | http://www.urbandictionary.com/def... | Feb 25 19:57 |
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| balzac | I guess my use of that word is not with the meaning in the urban dictionary | Feb 25 19:58 |
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| balzac | http://www.urbandictionary.co... | Feb 25 19:58 |
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| balzac | microsarf | Feb 25 19:58 |
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| balzac | A freeloader, someone that mooches your stuff. | Feb 25 19:59 |
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| schestowitz | No way. | Feb 25 20:05 |
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| schestowitz | They stole the idea of dumpster diving from someone else? | Feb 25 20:05 |
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| schestowitz | Or... was it the dumpster diving that /was/ the mooching of someone else's personal code? | Feb 25 20:06 |
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| schestowitz | BillG's first patent: "A novel method of diving into disposal apparatus in order to obtain novel methods from other persons" | Feb 25 20:07 |
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| schestowitz | Cool! : http://www.howtogeek.com/howto/linux/stupid-gee... | Feb 25 20:08 |
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| schestowitz | Update on today's Gmail outage < http://gmailblog.blogspot.com/2009/02/updat... > | Feb 25 20:13 |
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| schestowitz | "Microsoft is in deep trouble. With browser-based delivery of applications, their entire cost model is gutted. With costs of distribution, sales, inventory, etc gone or sharply reduced, prices can drop to grab market share, but top-line revenues will also drop." http://news.cnet.com/8301-13505_... | Feb 25 20:19 |
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| schestowitz | Dana Micronhorn is once again feeling the urge to slam a migration to open source, dismissing it as a stunt.. at least his readers knock him down aggressively. http://blogs.zdnet.com/open-source/?p=3586 | Feb 25 20:22 |
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| balzac | Roy, I like that video-to-ascii technology for its efficiency. There's software to use it for video-conferencing. | Feb 25 20:29 |
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| balzac | Matrix-style, and it has a purpose for low-bandwidth video. | Feb 25 20:30 |
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| balzac | I need to figure it out so I can blow people's minds. | Feb 25 20:30 |
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| balzac | everyone will be jealous when they see it. Especially Windows and Apple users. | Feb 25 20:31 |
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| schestowitz | Dana Micronhorn has become an uber-troll | Feb 25 20:31 |
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| balzac | the video-conferencing application | Feb 25 20:31 |
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| schestowitz | Post by post he's attacking good news, spinning them as something negative. Shane on him. ZDNet is FUD Factory | Feb 25 20:31 |
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| schestowitz | Yesterday:" Will telcos ever embrace open source?" "Could the Linux Foundation get too big? " | Feb 25 20:32 |
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| schestowitz | Better headlines: "Telcos ALREADY use open source massively" Linun Foundation is growing big (which is good)" | Feb 25 20:32 |
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| schestowitz | That's what you get from a supposedly "open source" blog | Feb 25 20:32 |
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| schestowitz | I think he's trying to provoke, but people should just not respond to him. This way, as he warned before, he might need to find another job where he does less harm to something that he does not even use (open source) | Feb 25 20:33 |
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| schestowitz | I notice that CNET mentions Shane O'Neill (rants vs Apple). People ought to be aware that all he ever writes is pro-Microsoft pieces and he recently met Ballmer face to face. He seems to have been picked by IDG ('CIO') more recently for some kind of MS 'roadshow'. | Feb 25 20:36 |
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| Balrog | schestowitz: moonlight is in the gentoo port tree. I'm not surprised because there is a lot of proprietary stuff there too | Feb 25 20:40 |
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| Balrog | only it's not forced on us | Feb 25 20:40 |
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| schestowitz | I think I heard about it | Feb 25 20:43 |
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| schestowitz | It didn't work well. | Feb 25 20:43 |
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| schestowitz | Missing stuff and maybe not just codecs | Feb 25 20:43 |
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| *schestowitz really ought to do a quick post about the splendid news about UK +FOSS+ODF | Feb 25 20:47 |
| Balrog | heh | Feb 25 21:03 |
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| Balrog | it does make you use ffmpeg | Feb 25 21:03 |
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| Balrog | (there's no option for those proprietary codecs) | Feb 25 21:03 |
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| schestowitz | Let's hope. | Feb 25 21:06 |
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| schestowitz | Shane O'Neil is like Microsoft PR in IDG (CIO)... worse than Ina Fried even. | Feb 25 21:09 |
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| schestowitz | By the way, Schiendler and others were laid off from IDG... it's all happening quietly. Some of the CNET writers landed there too. The media goes bonkers. | Feb 25 21:10 |
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| schestowitz | On Catalunya MS-EDGI scam: http://news.cnet.com/8301-13505_3... | Feb 25 21:15 |
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| schestowitz | WTF is this? http://news.cnet.com/8301-13505_3-10... | Feb 25 21:17 |
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| trmanco | why do people like Ruby so much? | Feb 25 21:19 |
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| trmanco | http://github.com/languages | Feb 25 21:19 |
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| MinceR | because they don't know python | Feb 25 21:23 |
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| schestowitz | I've received mail from Major Microsoft Shill. | Feb 25 21:25 |
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| trmanco | MinceR, do you know Python | Feb 25 21:25 |
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| MinceR | i do | Feb 25 21:25 |
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| schestowitz | He writes.. | Feb 25 21:26 |
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| schestowitz | "Unfortunately, given your tendancy towards sensationalist ad hominem attacks | Feb 25 21:26 |
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| schestowitz | http://boycottnovell.com/2008/06/08/asso... <http://boycottnovell.com/2008/06/08/as... | Feb 25 21:26 |
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| schestowitz | http://boycottnovell.com/2... <http://boycottnovell.com/2008/07... | Feb 25 21:26 |
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| schestowitz | http://boycottnovell.com/2008/10/0... <http://boycottnovell.com/2008/10... " | Feb 25 21:26 |
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| trmanco | no matter how much lipstick you put in the code it always looks confusing to me | Feb 25 21:26 |
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| balzac | what code? | Feb 25 21:28 |
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| trmanco | python | Feb 25 21:28 |
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| schestowitz | Python | Feb 25 21:28 |
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| balzac | ah | Feb 25 21:28 |
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| trmanco | do yo hear the snake? | Feb 25 21:28 |
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| balzac | I haven't done anything in python | Feb 25 21:28 |
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| schestowitz | That's viper | Feb 25 21:29 |
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| balzac | but I plan to learn because two great apps I use have python as their scripting language for extensions: GIMP and Blender | Feb 25 21:29 |
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| trmanco | I have read, that people who get tired of PHP make their next move to Python | Feb 25 21:29 |
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| trmanco | can't find any php project to contribute to | Feb 25 21:32 |
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| schestowitz | Wordpress..? | Feb 25 21:33 |
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| trmanco | Too hard for now | Feb 25 21:33 |
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| trmanco | I don't have that kind of knowledge to contribute to that | Feb 25 21:34 |
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| trmanco | codding ,that is | Feb 25 21:34 |
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| trmanco | coding* | Feb 25 21:34 |
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| schestowitz | Watch how Microsoft cripples computers: "Microsoft and Intel have indicated that they plan to take control of how netbooks are sold and configured: killing off Windows XP once and for all is top of the former's todo list." http://gadgets.boingboing.net/2009/02/23/d... | Feb 25 21:41 |
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| schestowitz | trmanco: take a plugin and extend it | Feb 25 21:41 |
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| balzac | fugg that | Feb 25 21:42 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.sciencedaily.com/release... | Feb 25 21:42 |
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| balzac | Maybe I'll buy a $100 netbook with the chinese Longsoon processor | Feb 25 21:42 |
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| schestowitz | In the US? | Feb 25 21:42 |
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| balzac | not yet | Feb 25 21:42 |
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| balzac | it was only vaporware | Feb 25 21:42 |
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| schestowitz | The bullies from Intel would bite tooth and nail to keep competition out | Feb 25 21:42 |
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| balzac | but it will happen | Feb 25 21:42 |
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| schestowitz | Yes, it will. | Feb 25 21:42 |
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| trmanco | schestowitz, that is a good idea, now I'll just have to find a plugin worth forking | Feb 25 21:43 |
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| balzac | I want the google gphone | Feb 25 21:43 |
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| trmanco | but it won't be today | Feb 25 21:43 |
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| schestowitz | But the criminals (bribes, collusion, etc) from Intel are bullying the Chinese companies. | Feb 25 21:43 |
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| balzac | I want to have an internet terminal in my pocket | Feb 25 21:43 |
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| balzac | i'm going to buy that little sucker - developer version | Feb 25 21:43 |
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| schestowitz | No openmoko? | Feb 25 21:43 |
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| balzac | i checked out the keyboard layout and it has most of the keys a programmer would want on a phone | Feb 25 21:44 |
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| schestowitz | New: http://opensourcepbx.tmcnet.com/topics/deve... "The reference implementation uses Openmoko's NeoFreerunner and features advanced touch screen and customizable graphical user interface (GUI). The Ample also offers versatile applications such as a multimedia player and communications tools." | Feb 25 21:44 |
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| balzac | well, I want one of those too, but the gphone has this keyboard | Feb 25 21:44 |
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| balzac | the openmoko needs to copy the gphone's hardware | Feb 25 21:44 |
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| balzac | the terminal... | Feb 25 21:44 |
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| schestowitz | balzac: you're gonna love this headline: http://www.tectonic.co.za/?p=4214 | Feb 25 21:45 |
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| schestowitz | gphone has no hardware | Feb 25 21:45 |
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| schestowitz | Android is a set of software | Feb 25 21:45 |
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| schestowitz | G1 is one phone among many (h/w+android+tweaks) | Feb 25 21:46 |
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| balzac | ok, the G1 | Feb 25 21:47 |
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| balzac | I like that hardware. I've got to have that keyboard. That's why I'd never buy an iphone. | Feb 25 21:47 |
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| balzac | that headline is what the press release should have said on Redhat.com | Feb 25 21:48 |
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| MinceR | http://linux.slashdot.org/article.pl?s... | Feb 25 21:48 |
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| MinceR | ^ regarding the Big Lie | Feb 25 21:48 |
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| schestowitz | Unemployment goes up, traffic congestion goes down < http://www.techflash.com/microsoft/Seattle_ra... > | Feb 25 21:48 |
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| schestowitz | balzac: LOL | Feb 25 21:48 |
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| balzac | But I guess CEOs are now afraid to talk trash about M$ because Steve Ballmer will make a point of crushing them. | Feb 25 21:48 |
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| MinceR | hm, you could use viper to edit python code :> | Feb 25 21:49 |
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| schestowitz | MinceR: kudos to /. for posting something decent for a change | Feb 25 21:50 |
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| MinceR | indeed | Feb 25 21:50 |
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| schestowitz | "It seems Microsoft doesn't believe the data from Net Applications " *LOL* Microsoft !!PAYS!! Net Applications | Feb 25 21:50 |
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| schestowitz | The funny thing is that once a year (at least) Ballmer calls Linux the #1 threat | Feb 25 21:50 |
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| schestowitz | Then come the Astrofluffers with links to the MS-sponsored Net FUDlication | Feb 25 21:50 |
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| balzac | Don't be drinking a beverage when you see this cartoon of Steve Ballmer or it might come out your nose: http://dr-ian.livejournal.com/26874.html | Feb 25 21:52 |
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| balzac | http://www.mobilewhack.com/wp-content... <-- Ballmer ducking the eggs in Hungary | Feb 25 21:54 |
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| MinceR | i doubt monkey boy is that ripped | Feb 25 21:55 |
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| balzac | http://www.blogcdn.com/www.engadge... | Feb 25 21:55 |
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| balzac | He's such a funny m__________r | Feb 25 21:55 |
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| balzac | MinceR: I doubt it too, which is partly why it's funny to me. | Feb 25 22:00 |
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| schestowitz | MinceR: Asay told me he wants to meet him | Feb 25 22:09 |
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| schestowitz | But sheesh... don't say him name.. we don't want the malicious entrance.. | Feb 25 22:10 |
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| schestowitz | Asay [one hour ago]: "As to meeting Ballmer, I wish I could. Why is that a strike against him?" | Feb 25 22:10 |
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| MinceR | :) | Feb 25 22:10 |
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| schestowitz | But it needs context | Feb 25 22:11 |
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| schestowitz | I warned him about a mole that's meeting Ballmer | Feb 25 22:11 |
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| MinceR | i'd like to meet him if there was no danger of retribution for killing him. | Feb 25 22:11 |
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| MinceR | (ballmer, that is) | Feb 25 22:11 |
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| schestowitz | eggs? | Feb 25 22:11 |
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| schestowitz | What's for breakfast? | Feb 25 22:11 |
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| schestowitz | Cake! :-) http://geekgaucho.blogspot.com/... | Feb 25 22:13 |
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| schestowitz | "the only moment where I smiled after seeing Gates on TV!:" | Feb 25 22:13 |
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| schestowitz | "What the [user] is supposed to do is feel uncomfortable, and when he has bugs, suspect that the problem is DR-DOS and then go out to buy MS-DOS" -Brad Silverberg | Feb 25 22:14 |
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| MinceR | it was just a cake :/ | Feb 25 22:19 |
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| MinceR | it should have been a hand grenade | Feb 25 22:19 |
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| MinceR | or it should have had a nice acid flavor | Feb 25 22:20 |
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| MinceR | or lye | Feb 25 22:20 |
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| Balrog | so now the university wants to use this: http://www.panopto.com/ but it also depends on silverlight and doesn't work with moonlight (says "please install silverlight") | Feb 25 22:20 |
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| balzac | come on now... | Feb 25 22:20 |
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| MinceR | my university sucks too | Feb 25 22:20 |
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| balzac | Myself, I wouldn't even bother to pie Bill Gates. | Feb 25 22:21 |
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| Balrog | tjey used WMV before. | Feb 25 22:21 |
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| Balrog | http://www.earthtimes.org/articles/... | Feb 25 22:21 |
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| balzac | But I'm glad someone did. | Feb 25 22:21 |
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| Balrog | thing is, they're open to FOSS | Feb 25 22:21 |
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| Balrog | but it needs to be workable | Feb 25 22:21 |
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| balzac | Gates is the arch-villain in the software world, but compared to most politicians, Bill Gates seems like a saint. | Feb 25 22:22 |
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| schestowitz | http://boycottnovell.com/2009/0... | Feb 25 22:22 |
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| MinceR | most politicians deserve death too | Feb 25 22:22 |
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| balzac | Compare George Bush and Bill Gates | Feb 25 22:22 |
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| MinceR | still, i hate gates more than bush | Feb 25 22:22 |
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| MinceR | the damage bush did was mostly localized to the usa | Feb 25 22:23 |
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| MinceR | the damage gates did is worldwide | Feb 25 22:23 |
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| MinceR | even without people like those we'd still have way too many people on this planet | Feb 25 22:23 |
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| balzac | You can make the case for putting Bush on trial for treason, war-crimes, etc. This is a case we should be making, even if that raises the question of whether or not capital punishment should be considered. But this is all about a legal process. | Feb 25 22:23 |
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| schestowitz | Bush caused damage in the east as well. | Feb 25 22:23 |
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| schestowitz | Damage that's mortal too | Feb 25 22:24 |
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| MinceR | i don't care much about legal issues, i care about moral issues. | Feb 25 22:24 |
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| schestowitz | Or tossing Iraq back from the verge of modern country back ti 3rd world. | Feb 25 22:24 |
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| balzac | Gates? He deserves to have his company lose its market-share, to lose a lot of his wealth to fines and settlements, and to have his ego deflated. | Feb 25 22:24 |
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| schestowitz | balzac: Bush was already punished for his crime. He had a coupla sandals thrown at him. Very humiliating.,.. | Feb 25 22:25 |
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| balzac | And perhaps he deserves a light sentence to be spent in a half-way house if investigation reveals law breaking as President of MS. | Feb 25 22:25 |
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| MinceR | i doubt that would undo the damage or punish him properly | Feb 25 22:25 |
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| schestowitz | And it's the saint that goes to jail for 15 years. | Feb 25 22:25 |
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| balzac | ? | Feb 25 22:25 |
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| balzac | I suppose it's sarcasm. | Feb 25 22:26 |
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| schestowitz | balzac: that wouldn't suffice | Feb 25 22:26 |
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| schestowitz | The Gates family has corruption spread wider | Feb 25 22:26 |
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| balzac | Bush could spend centuries, screaming like a tea-kettle in hell, and it probably wouldn't be enough. | Feb 25 22:26 |
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| MinceR | why waste money on feeding gates in prison? | Feb 25 22:26 |
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| schestowitz | People like Abramoff (already in jail), the Ballmers, Kepin, Silverberg, etc. | Feb 25 22:26 |
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| schestowitz | *Kempin | Feb 25 22:26 |
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| schestowitz | There are many criminals there. | Feb 25 22:26 |
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| MinceR | he has shown no remorse nor any respect for the freedom of others. | Feb 25 22:26 |
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| schestowitz | They are tyrants at hears, but then again, corporations are permitted to do some of these crimes. | Feb 25 22:27 |
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| schestowitz | http://opensource.org/node/396 "It turns out that people had been trying to blow the whistle on Bernie Madoff for 10 years, but such whistle-blowing fell on deaf ears, perhaps because the regulators were simply too impressed with Madoff's self-described success to do their jobs effectively." | Feb 25 22:27 |
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| schestowitz | IOW, all those people who say MS is a fraud are liekly right | Feb 25 22:27 |
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| schestowitz | But Microsoft is too busy telling the world that it's rich | Feb 25 22:27 |
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| balzac | Neither Madoff or Gates should go to jail before Bush. | Feb 25 22:28 |
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| schestowitz | It's said to be another scheme | Feb 25 22:28 |
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| schestowitz | balzac: agreed. | Feb 25 22:28 |
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| MinceR | indeed, they should be executed | Feb 25 22:28 |
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| balzac | Not one more person should go to prison until Bush goes. | Feb 25 22:28 |
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| schestowitz | Hehe. No. | Feb 25 22:28 |
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| balzac | MinceR: that's too extreme, by a long shot. | Feb 25 22:28 |
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| schestowitz | Jail can be more humiliating. | Feb 25 22:28 |
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| MinceR | balzac: what they did wasn't too extreme? | Feb 25 22:28 |
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| schestowitz | You can also used them to help recording the crimes they committed | Feb 25 22:28 |
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| MinceR | can we ever expect them to be non-harmful members of our society? | Feb 25 22:28 |
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| balzac | MinceR: your rhetoric isn't even in the ballpark. | Feb 25 22:28 |
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| schestowitz | Make a museum to study how the economy collapsed due to white-collar crime. | Feb 25 22:29 |
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| schestowitz | Infinite greed... | Feb 25 22:29 |
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| schestowitz | BTW, the economy hasn't collapsed yet. | Feb 25 22:29 |
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| MinceR | normally i oppose death penalty because our justice system isn't reliable | Feb 25 22:29 |
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| schestowitz | You'll know it happens when the chain reaction of banks collapsing has begun. | Feb 25 22:29 |
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| balzac | Mincer, if you think Gates is worse than Bush, I think you ought to recalibrate your moral scale. | Feb 25 22:29 |
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| MinceR | but i think gates and his little gang has made an overwhelmingly strong case for themselves. | Feb 25 22:29 |
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| MinceR | balzac: why is the chronological order so important to you? | Feb 25 22:30 |
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| balzac | Bush is so much more malevolent than Gates. By an order of magnitude. | Feb 25 22:30 |
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| schestowitz | balzac: I happen to agree that people like Madoff should get the chair | Feb 25 22:30 |
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| balzac | schestowitz: that's extreme | Feb 25 22:30 |
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| schestowitz | I'm amazed at the fact that these huge criminals get house arrest | Feb 25 22:30 |
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| MinceR | i'm not that well informed about what bush did | Feb 25 22:30 |
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| schestowitz | What kind of a sick society is this? | Feb 25 22:30 |
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| MinceR | thankfully i don't live in the usa | Feb 25 22:30 |
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| balzac | Roy, don't hate the player, hate the game. | Feb 25 22:30 |
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| schestowitz | Where people smoke plants and get sent to jail | Feb 25 22:30 |
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| schestowitz | While huge FR*ing criminals are treated so gently? | Feb 25 22:31 |
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| balzac | Madoff didn't invent un-regulated capitalism, although he was a pioneer in furthering it. | Feb 25 22:31 |
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| schestowitz | That's because elites respect eleites | Feb 25 22:31 |
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| MinceR | schestowitz: the world is run by criminals | Feb 25 22:31 |
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| schestowitz | And they treat those at the botom like rubbish | Feb 25 22:31 |
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| MinceR | also, it's human nature | Feb 25 22:31 |
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| MinceR | or perhaps indoctrination | Feb 25 22:31 |
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| MinceR | people might be simply taught to be evil at an early age | Feb 25 22:31 |
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| schestowitz | I bet you so many of the judges are uterly corupt, so they feel guilty sentencing the other big criminals for their deeds. | Feb 25 22:31 |
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| schestowitz | *utterly corrupt | Feb 25 22:31 |
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| MinceR | they feel guilt? | Feb 25 22:32 |
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| MinceR | that's new | Feb 25 22:32 |
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| schestowitz | Balrog: the game is made by players | Feb 25 22:32 |
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| schestowitz | It's like saying, don't like the people, hate the company | Feb 25 22:32 |
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| schestowitz | Companies ARE people | Feb 25 22:32 |
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| schestowitz | The game is RUN by people. | Feb 25 22:32 |
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| schestowitz | People RUN the world | Feb 25 22:32 |
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| schestowitz | Find those who ruin it | Feb 25 22:32 |
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| schestowitz | It'll make things easier | Feb 25 22:32 |
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| schestowitz | By that logic, why blame Bush? | Feb 25 22:32 |
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| schestowitz | Blame the 'government' | Feb 25 22:32 |
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| MinceR | hm, how long was bush in office for? | Feb 25 22:32 |
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| balzac | Hand Bush over to the Hague, after he's convicted of treason. | Feb 25 22:33 |
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| schestowitz | Sentence the 'government' to jail. | Feb 25 22:33 |
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| schestowitz | Send the white house to Guantanamo Bay for torturing | Feb 25 22:33 |
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| MinceR | i'm pretty sure gates did his crimes for a longer time period. | Feb 25 22:33 |
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| MinceR | can we trust the Hague to convict him? | Feb 25 22:33 |
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| MinceR | (bush, that is) | Feb 25 22:33 |
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| schestowitz | Heck, sent that lady that's the statue of liberty for some waterboarding. | Feb 25 22:33 |
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| balzac | After that, I wouldn't object if Gates were found guilty of personally participating in conspiracies to break the law and spent time in prison, but I would want him to be safe, not in danger from violent criminals. | Feb 25 22:33 |
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| schestowitz | because, you know... she's 'America' | Feb 25 22:33 |
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| MinceR | schestowitz: lol | Feb 25 22:33 |
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| schestowitz | And it's America's fault | Feb 25 22:34 |
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| balzac | I don't think non-violent criminals should be at risk of suffering violence from other inmates. | Feb 25 22:34 |
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| balzac | That's one serious problem with American prisons. | Feb 25 22:34 |
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| MinceR | not other inmates, no | Feb 25 22:34 |
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| MinceR | gates should suffer violence from an industrial grinder. | Feb 25 22:34 |
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| schestowitz | balzac: ask yourself why some people areviolent | Feb 25 22:34 |
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| balzac | Actually, the state should be held liable for prisoner's injuries and deaths and their next of kin should be compensated with millions of dollars whenever people die in state custody. | Feb 25 22:35 |
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| schestowitz | When people who are slaves to other can you blame them for protesting in the streets? | Feb 25 22:35 |
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| balzac | It shouldn't ever be allowed to happen. | Feb 25 22:35 |
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| schestowitz | That makes little sense when you hear that the /white/ (as in white) collar criminals should get setenced to sofa, coffee, and TC. | Feb 25 22:35 |
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| balzac | nor should any type of violation of prisoners rights be acceptable, least of all, rape. | Feb 25 22:36 |
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| schestowitz | *TV | Feb 25 22:36 |
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| balzac | All prisoners should get sentenced only to what the court orders, but not to the risk of random acts of violence while in custody. | Feb 25 22:36 |
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| schestowitz | balzac: who talked about prison violence? | Feb 25 22:36 |
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| balzac | I did | Feb 25 22:36 |
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| schestowitz | You're suggesting that 'poor' white-collar criminals are unfit to prison. | Feb 25 22:37 |
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| balzac | because American prisons are not safe. | Feb 25 22:37 |
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| schestowitz | Prisons are for punishment and confinement | Feb 25 22:37 |
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| balzac | I don't see any reason to put violent criminals and white-collar criminals together. | Feb 25 22:37 |
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| schestowitz | You can make something like Guatanamo Bay | Feb 25 22:37 |
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| schestowitz | Maybe around Alaska where it's cold | Feb 25 22:37 |
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| schestowitz | Or Siberia | Feb 25 22:37 |
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| balzac | Yeah, well I'm not a big fan of prisons. I'll never see the inside of one. | Feb 25 22:38 |
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| MinceR | or in the Sun | Feb 25 22:38 |
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| schestowitz | Send there the lines of Gates, ballmer, Silverberg, Nathan Mhyrvold, Madoff, Carl Ichan and other criminals chums. | Feb 25 22:38 |
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| MinceR | or on the Moon | Feb 25 22:38 |
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| MinceR | (no life support though) | Feb 25 22:38 |
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| schestowitz | No, no.. | Feb 25 22:38 |
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| schestowitz | That's expensive | Feb 25 22:38 |
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| schestowitz | Rockets are also harmful to the atrosphere. | Feb 25 22:38 |
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| MinceR | at least we won't have to guard and feed them then | Feb 25 22:38 |
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| schestowitz | Enough damage was /already/ done. | Feb 25 22:39 |
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| schestowitz | Then you need to ship oxygen for them. | Feb 25 22:39 |
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| MinceR | we're going to need rockets eventually, anyway | Feb 25 22:39 |
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| schestowitz | Do you know how much that would cost? | Feb 25 22:39 |
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| MinceR | this planet will become uninhabitable in about 5 billion years, iirc | Feb 25 22:39 |
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| MinceR | :) | Feb 25 22:39 |
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| schestowitz | The planet will be fine, I think | Feb 25 22:40 |
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| schestowitz | It's animals and civilisations that are at risk | Feb 25 22:40 |
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| schestowitz | Not bacteria though | Feb 25 22:40 |
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| schestowitz | Because men can't eat becteria so well. | Feb 25 22:40 |
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| MinceR | hence "uninhabitable" | Feb 25 22:40 |
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| MinceR | the sun will engulf the planet as it turns into a red giant | Feb 25 22:41 |
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| schestowitz | 5 billion years is a lot of time | Feb 25 22:41 |
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| schestowitz | The 'UNIX clock' won't last that long | Feb 25 22:41 |
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| MinceR | but not infinite | Feb 25 22:41 |
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| MinceR | not even the 64bit one? | Feb 25 22:41 |
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| schestowitz | Not even if it's made 64-bit, AFAIK. | Feb 25 22:41 |
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| schestowitz | Beat me to it! | Feb 25 22:41 |
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| schestowitz | The Indians are coming < http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer... > | Feb 25 22:42 |
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| schestowitz | It cites the FOSS-hostile shills from Frosted Sullivans[sic] | Feb 25 22:43 |
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| schestowitz | Speaking of 'analysts'..... | Feb 25 22:44 |
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| schestowitz | I've inquired to see who funds some... but they won't tell. They are not allowed. | Feb 25 22:45 |
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| schestowitz | Shill O'Brian has just used BN to promote .NET | Feb 25 22:46 |
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| schestowitz | Yeah.. some 'FOSS' people, aren't they...>? | Feb 25 22:46 |
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| schestowitz | They do the same even in Ubuntu turf... criticise mono, be attacked. The threats are not censored as much as suppressed or marginalised. I gave examples with about 10 links in: http://boycottnovell.com/2008/08/21/mon... | Feb 25 22:47 |
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| schestowitz | There are more examples just like this, in other Web sites too. Novell employees (posting from the novell.com domain) are among those posting comments in defense of Mono/Moonlight under boycottnovell. Some of the dissent comes from there, but they use nyms like "Baby in the Bath Water". | Feb 25 22:47 |
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| schestowitz | Novell is making .NET more popular. Shame on Novell. It's just another Microsoft department now... producing 'Windows addons' like netware and some Microsoft plugins for Linux (Mono, Moonlight) | Feb 25 22:48 |
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| schestowitz | For that task, they must be inside Linux, so they have SUSE, they have membership in places like Linux Foundation, etc. They gag critics that way. | Feb 25 22:48 |
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| balzac | I would like to associate mono (project) with mono (contagious disease) in people's minds | Feb 25 22:49 |
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| schestowitz | I associated it with other things | Feb 25 22:49 |
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| MinceR | i'd like to have microsoft and novell closed down. | Feb 25 22:50 |
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| schestowitz | I alsol tried to associated Silver s*ite with toilet and vomit. | Feb 25 22:50 |
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| schestowitz | RMS was unimpressed | Feb 25 22:50 |
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| schestowitz | Gallium3D, EGL Now Buildable On FreeBSD < http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php... > | Feb 25 22:52 |
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| balzac | he's a rather mellow guy | Feb 25 22:52 |
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| MinceR | it must be the week of excel vulnerabilities >> http://it.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid... | Feb 25 22:56 |
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| schestowitz | "Products affected include Office 2000, Office 2002, Office 2003, Office 2007, Office 2004 for Mac, Office 2008 for Mac, and the Open XML File Format Converter for Mac." | Feb 25 22:57 |
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| schestowitz | OOXML+Mac= owned | Feb 25 22:57 |
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| MinceR | hm, no, it's a dupe | Feb 25 22:57 |
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| schestowitz | The mixture of binaries | Feb 25 22:57 |
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| schestowitz | Thank goodness Microsoft keeps Office away from the hands of unsuspecting users who come to Linux for its "cheapness" | Feb 25 22:58 |
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| MinceR | dupes for nerds, stuff that you've read already. | Feb 25 22:58 |
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| MinceR | ;) | Feb 25 22:58 |
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| schestowitz | That too. | Feb 25 22:58 |
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| schestowitz | I'm surprised many people still read it. | Feb 25 22:59 |
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| schestowitz | Hmm.. Alexa rank 10k | Feb 25 22:59 |
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| schestowitz | BN is 58k and we don't even attract people with MS+IE+spyware (alexa) | Feb 25 22:59 |
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| schestowitz | BN Netcraft rank= 2300th | Feb 25 22:59 |
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| MinceR | well, it still has the occasional juvenile humor. | Feb 25 22:59 |
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| schestowitz | Groklaw is 1400th or so | Feb 25 22:59 |
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| schestowitz | Hehe. | Feb 25 22:59 |
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| schestowitz | BN's Netcraft rank is better than Slashdot's | Feb 25 23:00 |
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| schestowitz | Oh nwait.. | Feb 25 23:00 |
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| schestowitz | it.slashdot... | Feb 25 23:00 |
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| schestowitz | slashdot.org is 484th | Feb 25 23:01 |
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| schestowitz | Duke NuK............. X Server 1.6.0 Has Been Released < http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page... > | Feb 25 23:05 |
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| *Casperin has quit (Remote closed the connection) | Feb 25 23:23 |
| schestowitz | Adobe Flash gets patch for critical flaw < http://www.computerworlduk.com/manage... > | Feb 25 23:28 |
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| schestowitz | "The job vacancies related to Windows continue to fall at scaring speed since December 2008. Meanwhile Linux and Unix vacancies stay similar to past months." http://www.linuxtoday.com/news_story.php3?... | Feb 25 23:32 |
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| schestowitz | MS partner: Nortel to cut 3,200 workers < http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/02/2... > | Feb 25 23:35 |
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| balzac | good news for change in the world of software | Feb 25 23:36 |
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| MinceR | gn | Feb 25 23:41 |
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| schestowitz | Hehe.. see my comment here: http://www.thevarguy.com/2009/02/24/how-to-win-c... | Feb 25 23:45 |
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| balzac | later MinceR | Feb 25 23:45 |
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| schestowitz | Getting Consumers to Pay Now for Nukes Later < http://www.prwatch.org/node/8234 > | Feb 25 23:54 |
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| schestowitz | "I sometimes wonder if anyone keeps track of how many PR people Microsoft CEO Steve Ballmer drives into cardiac arrest." http://www.microsoft-watch.com/content/corpor... | Feb 25 23:57 |
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Comments
martin
2009-02-26 12:43:42
In the beginning of 2008 TomTom traded at 70 euro per stock on the Dutch stockmarket. Now they are worth 3 euro per stock. Microsoft is hitting hard on a company that is already in the drain. How can TomTom afford to defend themselves after a disaster year like 2008 was for them? Microsoft has got money for sure, and with this economy everyone will be scared to step up against Microsoft. They are using the economic climate to bully the entire industry (remember TomTom is just one company, they used blackmail to extract license fee's from many companies before this).
Soon MS will monopolize the patent trolling business. I hope people will react to this and create a new better faster light-weight FS sort of like what happened with the GIF -> PNG transition (and which is happening right now with the OGG revolution driven by Wikipedia and Mozilla).