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| PetoKraus | apply some random function | Mar 02 21:32 |
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| PetoKraus | MUSIC | Mar 02 21:32 |
| PetoKraus | :D | Mar 02 21:32 |
| wispygalaxy | haha XD | Mar 02 21:33 |
| PetoKraus | though here it'd be constant 10€°C | Mar 02 21:33 |
| schestowitz | blazac: action against injustice: https://secure.pfaw.org/site/SPageS... Attacks on DOJ Nominees Signal Right's Judicial Nominations Strategy < http://site.pfaw.org/site/PageServer?pa... > | Mar 02 21:33 |
| PetoKraus | " | Mar 02 21:33 |
| PetoKraus | The upcoming version of xorg-server will have a lot of workarounds and patches removed. Doing so, the package becomes easier to understand, as even its maintainer has no idea what is happening anymore. When upgrading to xorg-server-1.6, you will see these file conflicts on most systems:" | Mar 02 21:33 |
| Balrog | heh | Mar 02 21:34 |
| PetoKraus | i'm glad i'm not the only one who thinks it's a mess | Mar 02 21:34 |
| Balrog | xorg was always a mess | Mar 02 21:34 |
| PetoKraus | Arch is taking a tough stance now though | Mar 02 21:34 |
| trmanco | never checked the source | Mar 02 21:34 |
| It is amazing what companies who violate specs can do to hardware. SATA was a mess for a long time, so is ACPI | Mar 02 21:34 | |
| wispygalaxy | hey twitter | Mar 02 21:34 |
| hello | Mar 02 21:34 | |
| PetoKraus | chucked out ATI to Community repo from Extra | Mar 02 21:34 |
| PetoKraus | it's funny | Mar 02 21:34 |
| trmanco | yeah, ACPI is still kinda a in a mess | Mar 02 21:34 |
| schestowitz | More suggestions that Vista7 is sliding to 2010 release: http://www.maximumpc.com/article/news/of... | Mar 02 21:34 |
| schestowitz | PetoKraus: watch Phoronic closely for news from AMD | Mar 02 21:34 |
| wispygalaxy | haha roy | Mar 02 21:35 |
| trmanco | of* | Mar 02 21:35 |
| schestowitz | Michael speaks to them today | Mar 02 21:35 |
| PetoKraus | schestowitz: i do, don't worry | Mar 02 21:35 |
| wispygalaxy | ms makes all these promises | Mar 02 21:35 |
| schestowitz | *nix | Mar 02 21:35 |
| I wonder if M$ will make it much longer | Mar 02 21:35 | |
| PetoKraus | but i think a bit of pressure will do help | Mar 02 21:35 |
| wispygalaxy | their stock is low today | Mar 02 21:35 |
| schestowitz | twitter: they could just pull another ME | Mar 02 21:35 |
| Balrog | schestowitz: borken link (maximumPC) | Mar 02 21:35 |
| schestowitz | Actually, I hope they release it NOW | Mar 02 21:35 |
| schestowitz | Let it bomb NOW | Mar 02 21:35 |
| Balrog | heh ME :/ | Mar 02 21:35 |
| wispygalaxy | i'm glad i never used ME | Mar 02 21:35 |
| schestowitz | They won't get a third chance | Mar 02 21:35 |
| Balrog | I tested it out once | Mar 02 21:35 |
| trmanco | Vista7, let me wait for 7,8 | Mar 02 21:35 |
| wispygalaxy | yes release it half baked | Mar 02 21:35 |
| PetoKraus | i mean, if they just chucked away the proprietary driver altogether and worked on the FOSS one internally | Mar 02 21:35 |
| Balrog | horrible | Mar 02 21:35 |
| Balrog | schestowitz: LINK? | Mar 02 21:36 |
| PetoKraus | i used ME for quite a long | Mar 02 21:36 |
| PetoKraus | actually | Mar 02 21:36 |
| wispygalaxy | i can imagine balrog haha | Mar 02 21:36 |
| PetoKraus | it wasn't bad | Mar 02 21:36 |
| schestowitz | Balrog: what on|? | Mar 02 21:36 |
| wispygalaxy | we still have computers with win 2000 here | Mar 02 21:36 |
| Balrog | PetoKraus: do a clean install then run all the windows updates | Mar 02 21:36 |
| Balrog | the MaximumPC one, broken | Mar 02 21:36 |
| schestowitz | Oh | Mar 02 21:36 |
| Balrog | PetoKraus: then try using IE | Mar 02 21:36 |
| There is little difference, good or bad, between any version of Windows. | Mar 02 21:36 | |
| schestowitz | http://www.maximumpc.com/article/news/offic... | Mar 02 21:36 |
| Balrog | heh | Mar 02 21:36 |
| Balrog | early versions of NT worked ok | Mar 02 21:36 |
| Balrog | but NT was ripped off to begin with | Mar 02 21:37 |
| Windows 7 will be stillborn. | Mar 02 21:37 | |
| wispygalaxy | i had vista for about a month when i started college, then i heard about ubuntu | Mar 02 21:37 |
| schestowitz | CNN said 2010 as though Microsoft confirmed VIsta7 has slipped | Mar 02 21:37 |
| wispygalaxy | the rest is history | Mar 02 21:37 |
| I had vista for all of 5 minutes | Mar 02 21:37 | |
| wispygalaxy | now im on debian | Mar 02 21:37 |
| PetoKraus | Balrog: but i used it like 6 years ago on Pentium 166 | Mar 02 21:37 |
| Balrog | I use OS X most of the time, various Linux most of the rest, and Windows on rare occasions | Mar 02 21:37 |
| that was about as long as it took to boot in the store | Mar 02 21:37 | |
| wispygalaxy | it's a mess, we can agree on that | Mar 02 21:37 |
| trmanco | I had vista for 2 days | Mar 02 21:37 |
| schestowitz | I saw Vista a few times.. from a distance. | Mar 02 21:38 |
| PetoKraus | i mean, it was running smooth. I couldn't get linux to run smooth on that, i was not skilled enough | Mar 02 21:38 |
| schestowitz | I played about with the thing in the airport | Mar 02 21:38 |
| PetoKraus | and i was playing games | Mar 02 21:38 |
| PetoKraus | so... | Mar 02 21:38 |
| schestowitz | XP in black | Mar 02 21:38 |
| wispygalaxy | my friend installed SP1 last year, and it froze up her desktop everytime she logged in | Mar 02 21:38 |
| trmanco | and I crashes vista a couple of times too during those 2 days | Mar 02 21:38 |
| schestowitz | So many years, so little progress | Mar 02 21:38 |
| I watched it brick a relative's machine | Mar 02 21:38 | |
| wispygalaxy | when she clicked the desktop, it turned white and froze | Mar 02 21:38 |
| he carefully followed all of the "support" advice | Mar 02 21:38 | |
| wispygalaxy | i think she got a new computer | Mar 02 21:38 |
| PetoKraus | quite a lot it's the preloaded rubbish in the OEM image | Mar 02 21:38 |
| Balrog | "When development started in November 1989, Windows NT was to be known as OS/2 3.0,[2] the third version of the operating system developed jointly by Microsoft and IBM" | Mar 02 21:38 |
| Balrog | --wikipedia | Mar 02 21:39 |
| PetoKraus | which causes most truble | Mar 02 21:39 |
| wispygalaxy | i told balrog that my friend wants linux mint now | Mar 02 21:39 |
| trmanco | schestowitz, talking about airports, Lisbon's airport is still running some version of 3.1 for those internet booths | Mar 02 21:39 |
| wispygalaxy | he's too afraid of vista | Mar 02 21:39 |
| Balrog | he should try it | Mar 02 21:39 |
| trmanco | mint looks refreshing | Mar 02 21:39 |
| PetoKraus | i saw XP on a bank machine | Mar 02 21:39 |
| Balrog | I like Fedora... | Mar 02 21:39 |
| PetoKraus | rebooting | Mar 02 21:39 |
| DRM is trouble for them | Mar 02 21:39 | |
| PetoKraus | it was like oh . | Mar 02 21:39 |
| Balrog | (Fedora 10) | Mar 02 21:39 |
| Balrog | DRM? | Mar 02 21:40 |
| schestowitz | trmanco: securt^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^Hobscurity | Mar 02 21:40 |
| wispygalaxy | mint is an attractive distro | Mar 02 21:40 |
| PetoKraus | Balrog: my friend is running FC, i don't know why :D | Mar 02 21:40 |
| DRM pulls down vista performance | Mar 02 21:40 | |
| Balrog | drm sucks, but it's not going away soon. | Mar 02 21:40 |
| PetoKraus | twitter: not only DRM | Mar 02 21:40 |
| it's the preload to end all preloads | Mar 02 21:40 | |
| Balrog | probably a few years | Mar 02 21:40 |
| trmanco | ha | Mar 02 21:40 |
| there's no DRM in my house | Mar 02 21:40 | |
| PetoKraus | yeah | Mar 02 21:40 |
| schestowitz | FC has been gone since 2007, no? | Mar 02 21:40 |
| for me, it's already over | Mar 02 21:40 | |
| trmanco | another thing, is that all the banks here in portugal are running Windows | Mar 02 21:40 |
| PetoKraus | schestowitz: alright, fedora | Mar 02 21:41 |
| PetoKraus | whatever | Mar 02 21:41 |
| PetoKraus | i didn't even notice they dropped the 'core' | Mar 02 21:41 |
| trmanco | at least on their websites, I think I wrote this here once | Mar 02 21:41 |
| wispygalaxy | the Lowe's (a hardware store) in my town has Red Hat and Firefox | Mar 02 21:41 |
| Balrog | OS X is better with that as the DRM is limited to a few apps (iTunes, quicktime, DVD player) ... the encryption of system apps is so weak idk if that can be called drm | Mar 02 21:41 |
| PetoKraus | i fear RPM like devil fears the cross | Mar 02 21:41 |
| Balrog | twitter: IF you have a (hardware box) DVD player, there's DRM in your house | Mar 02 21:41 |
| Lowe's has saved a ton of money with GNU/Linux, did it way back in 2004 or so. | Mar 02 21:41 | |
| wispygalaxy | i'm still willing to try out RPM pk haha | Mar 02 21:41 |
| wispygalaxy | yep it's a clean store | Mar 02 21:41 |
| Eh, don't need the DVD player anymore | Mar 02 21:42 | |
| Balrog | use yum on fedora | Mar 02 21:42 |
| Balrog | twitter: why? | Mar 02 21:42 |
| use computers to play my movies | Mar 02 21:42 | |
| Balrog | VLC? | Mar 02 21:42 |
| schestowitz | twitter: http://schestowitz.com/IMG/Bann... | Mar 02 21:42 |
| VLC is good | Mar 02 21:42 | |
| PetoKraus | VLC eh | Mar 02 21:42 |
| wispygalaxy | i have VLC :) | Mar 02 21:42 |
| dvdbackup is good | Mar 02 21:42 | |
| Balrog | companies are afraid of litigation over libdvdcss | Mar 02 21:42 |
| wispygalaxy | i use computers to watch TV, too, twitter | Mar 02 21:42 |
| wispygalaxy | and movies | Mar 02 21:42 |
| trmanco | mplayer | Mar 02 21:42 |
| PetoKraus | VLC: http://www.irc.gjh.sk/pastebin/765 | Mar 02 21:42 |
| Balrog | they all rely on libdvdcss ... | Mar 02 21:43 |
| they look better with a projector | Mar 02 21:43 | |
| work fine on a PIII | Mar 02 21:43 | |
| wispygalaxy | cool | Mar 02 21:43 |
| Did RMS say that? | Mar 02 21:43 | |
| PetoKraus | what | Mar 02 21:43 |
| "No DRM in my ####ing house" | Mar 02 21:43 | |
| ? | Mar 02 21:44 | |
| PetoKraus | :) | Mar 02 21:44 |
| It would be better, "No fucking DRM in my house." | Mar 02 21:44 | |
| trmanco | woW | Mar 02 21:44 |
| Nothings wrong with my house. | Mar 02 21:44 | |
| wispygalaxy | haha | Mar 02 21:44 |
| Balrog | now what about drm on stuff like iphone apps? Developers are already yelling that people are cracking it ... and if I was one ..... idk | Mar 02 21:44 |
| trmanco | not in mine either | Mar 02 21:44 |
| Balrog | let | Mar 02 21:45 |
| Balrog | let' | Mar 02 21:45 |
| Balrog | argh | Mar 02 21:45 |
| trmanco | my router and desktop run linux | Mar 02 21:45 |
| iphone would be nice with a free OS. | Mar 02 21:45 | |
| better to liberate all of it than a few apps | Mar 02 21:45 | |
| trmanco | iphone linux :-P | Mar 02 21:45 |
| Balrog | I'm talking about the *apps* | Mar 02 21:45 |
| wispygalaxy | i want the android phone | Mar 02 21:45 |
| Balrog | there are always people who want to make a few bucks | Mar 02 21:45 |
| there are always muggers and pimps | Mar 02 21:45 | |
| wispygalaxy | i never bought from the iTunes store | Mar 02 21:45 |
| Balrog | I feel it' | Mar 02 21:46 |
| trmanco | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Inc... | Mar 02 21:46 |
| Balrog | I feel it's wrong to put muggers and pimps at the same level as honest independent developers | Mar 02 21:46 |
| Balrog | * | Mar 02 21:46 |
| hugs and kisses Balrog | Mar 02 21:46 | |
| wispygalaxy | yeah hah | Mar 02 21:46 |
| PetoKraus | lol | Mar 02 21:46 |
| Balrog | yeah, there are some that try to rip you off, but the app store has mostly small independent developers | Mar 02 21:46 |
| PetoKraus | is that a joke? | Mar 02 21:47 |
| PetoKraus | i hope it's a joke | Mar 02 21:47 |
| wispygalaxy | haha i see what you did there | Mar 02 21:47 |
| Balrog | try to get official access to coding for Nintendo DS or Sony PSP ... good luck | Mar 02 21:47 |
| better to liberate the device so you don't have to ask permission | Mar 02 21:47 | |
| wispygalaxy | good point | Mar 02 21:48 |
| Balrog | certainly, but it's also good to protect the rights of those who want to make a bit of money writing apps | Mar 02 21:48 |
| they can make money writing free software too | Mar 02 21:48 | |
| Balrog | well how much are they making? on average, $3-$5 per app | Mar 02 21:48 |
| schestowitz | twitter: he didn't say that. | Mar 02 21:49 |
| Balrog | Yeah, if they want to write free software, they should be able to | Mar 02 21:50 |
| if the developer has to ask permission, they are not free | Mar 02 21:50 | |
| the company can nuke their work later | Mar 02 21:50 | |
| Balrog | (and they can, but try getting the app on your device without a certificate) | Mar 02 21:50 |
| Balrog | They can store it in a repo | Mar 02 21:50 |
| Balrog | only it won't be signed, and the end-user will have to deal with that | Mar 02 21:50 |
| schestowitz | http://www.tronshow.org/2009/e/01.html " Looks like, another potential threat to the ms.Borg sent to the grave yard. Only unlike the real borg MS, don't seem to be cabible of absorbing the new technology. Elsewhere, what devices, if any can you find TRON on outside of Japan. Joining the TRON consortium was so Microsoft. They get an inside view of what their competitors are up to and get to bend the rules in their favor." | Mar 02 21:50 |
| schestowitz | http://web.archive.org/web/20040601... | Mar 02 21:51 |
| Balrog | (there are a few open-source app store apps) | Mar 02 21:51 |
| schestowitz | http://groups.google.co.uk/group/comp.os... | Mar 02 21:51 |
| PetoKraus | TPB day 10: jail'em! :D | Mar 02 21:51 |
| schestowitz | "I figure Microsoft will do with TRON what they did with the OpenGL foundation. Join up, hanground until they extract enough information to duplicate TRON and then go their seperate ways. Offering a Windows only version Microsoft TRON. " | Mar 02 21:51 |
| Balrog | probably | Mar 02 21:51 |
| schestowitz | ODF... | Mar 02 21:52 |
| schestowitz | Maybe. | Mar 02 21:52 |
| schestowitz | EEE | Mar 02 21:52 |
| schestowitz | It's actually EEEE with ODF | Mar 02 21:52 |
| Games like this is why it is easier to help your neighbor and make a buck by writing for free software rather than popular gadgets. | Mar 02 21:52 | |
| schestowitz | Embrace, extend, extinguish, emit (because they want OOXML) | Mar 02 21:52 |
| wispygalaxy | oh i see | Mar 02 21:52 |
| Balrog | I'll be back later | Mar 02 21:53 |
| wispygalaxy | see ya | Mar 02 21:53 |
| schestowitz | Brit nuke subs exposed on Google Earth < http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/03/... > | Mar 02 21:54 |
| schestowitz | China had them exposed to. | Mar 02 21:54 |
| PetoKraus | "He continued saying that imprisonment is needed in order to stop TPB from operating, and said that a conviction will deter others from infringing copyright." | Mar 02 21:54 |
| PetoKraus | haha | Mar 02 21:54 |
| schestowitz | *Too. Solution: domolish all those subs and the nukes too. | Mar 02 21:54 |
| PetoKraus | i don't think he does know much about psychology | Mar 02 21:54 |
| PetoKraus | if they achieve one thing by jailing the guys behind TPB | Mar 02 21:54 |
| wispygalaxy | interesting link roy | Mar 02 21:54 |
| schestowitz | PetoKraus: they'll promote other sites | Mar 02 21:55 |
| PetoKraus | yeah | Mar 02 21:55 |
| schestowitz | Many of them will receive the audience. | Mar 02 21:55 |
| wispygalaxy | i saw the interview with the guys from TPB | Mar 02 21:55 |
| PetoKraus | and i don't want to see the backlash | Mar 02 21:55 |
| PetoKraus | i mean | Mar 02 21:55 |
| schestowitz | it's like Craigslist kicking out prostitution. | Mar 02 21:55 |
| schestowitz | They just move on to other sites | Mar 02 21:55 |
| PetoKraus | then I'd start to feel sorry for the four guys who are suing TPB | Mar 02 21:55 |
| schestowitz | Or Orkut with drugs | Mar 02 21:55 |
| PetoKraus | really sorry | Mar 02 21:55 |
| PetoKraus | you know | Mar 02 21:55 |
| schestowitz | Mafia with Facebook and so on.. | Mar 02 21:55 |
| PetoKraus | Anon Delivers... | Mar 02 21:55 |
| wispygalaxy | yes lol | Mar 02 21:55 |
| wispygalaxy | we will not forget | Mar 02 21:56 |
| schestowitz | Maybe they should just killl this telephoninternet thingue | Mar 02 21:56 |
| schestowitz | Cut people's tongues too | Mar 02 21:56 |
| schestowitz | They communicate too much | Mar 02 21:56 |
| schestowitz | Dangerous stuff... | Mar 02 21:56 |
| wispygalaxy | in the case of texting fanatics, cut off their thumbs | Mar 02 21:56 |
| wispygalaxy | jk | Mar 02 21:56 |
| schestowitz | If Swden ups its jurisdiction, then another country will offer room. | Mar 02 21:57 |
| schestowitz | They serve links to *gasp* people's HDD | Mar 02 21:57 |
| wispygalaxy | uh oh | Mar 02 21:57 |
| schestowitz | And they piss off a lot of people by attacking a site that simply got 'too' big | Mar 02 21:58 |
| schestowitz | Easy target for litigation... | Mar 02 21:58 |
| wispygalaxy | true | Mar 02 21:58 |
| schestowitz | Criminals for sale: http://www.channelregister.co.uk/2009/... | Mar 02 21:58 |
| wispygalaxy | thx for the link | Mar 02 21:59 |
| wispygalaxy | so roy, have any plans for spring break | Mar 02 22:00 |
| wispygalaxy | i hope it doesn't snow next week, when i have mine | Mar 02 22:01 |
| schestowitz | Before Google became Google: The original setup at Stanford University http://royal.pingdom.com/2009/03/02/origi... | Mar 02 22:08 |
| schestowitz | Ihave no spring break | Mar 02 22:08 |
| wispygalaxy | you should take a vacation, it's fun | Mar 02 22:08 |
| wispygalaxy | i hate the cold weather here | Mar 02 22:09 |
| wispygalaxy | i want to go to florida | Mar 02 22:09 |
| wispygalaxy | haha @ the pics in the link | Mar 02 22:09 |
| schestowitz | vacations are for escapism. | Mar 02 22:11 |
| trmanco | http://backrub.c63.be/1997/index.htm | Mar 02 22:11 |
| trmanco | haha, back to the 1997's | Mar 02 22:12 |
| wispygalaxy | lol haven't seen that before | Mar 02 22:13 |
| wispygalaxy | roy, what's wrong with a little bit of escapism/fantasy :) | Mar 02 22:13 |
| trmanco | vacations are nice | Mar 02 22:14 |
| trmanco | everyone likes to have a little fun once in a while (I think) | Mar 02 22:15 |
| wispygalaxy | i haven't left the country since i went to niagara falls a couple of years ago | Mar 02 22:15 |
| wispygalaxy | same here :) | Mar 02 22:15 |
| PetoKraus | right | Mar 02 22:16 |
| PetoKraus | new xorg on the way! | Mar 02 22:16 |
| wispygalaxy | ok i have to go guys, it was nice talking to all of you! | Mar 02 22:16 |
| wispygalaxy | i'll be back soon | Mar 02 22:16 |
| trmanco | ok bye | Mar 02 22:16 |
| PetoKraus | see you | Mar 02 22:16 |
| schestowitz | Cya | Mar 02 22:16 |
| PetoKraus | http://www.archlinux.org/packages... | Mar 02 22:17 |
| PetoKraus | massive update ^^ | Mar 02 22:17 |
| wispygalaxy | see ya trmanco and pk! | Mar 02 22:17 |
| wispygalaxy | bye bye roy xx | Mar 02 22:17 |
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| trmanco | PetoKraus, using arch? tried that in a VM | Mar 02 22:17 |
| trmanco | for some experiments of mine | Mar 02 22:17 |
| trmanco | I like to play around with Pacman | Mar 02 22:19 |
| MinceR | yeah, eat pills, dodge ghosts | Mar 02 22:19 |
| PetoKraus | :) | Mar 02 22:19 |
| trmanco | :-P | Mar 02 22:20 |
| schestowitz | LOL "play around with Pacma" | Mar 02 22:20 |
| trmanco | ... install packages too | Mar 02 22:20 |
| schestowitz | Like that part in That 70s show where he says, "you know what would be fun? Playing with a bunch of monkeys!" | Mar 02 22:20 |
| trmanco | Uh! | Mar 02 22:20 |
| PetoKraus | I LOVE THIS COMPANYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY | Mar 02 22:21 |
| PetoKraus | YEAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH | Mar 02 22:22 |
| MinceR | oh, the famous four words. | Mar 02 22:22 |
| PetoKraus | oh, you meant monkeys, not monkeyboys | Mar 02 22:22 |
| MinceR | :D | Mar 02 22:22 |
| trmanco | well, time for me to go too, cya | Mar 02 22:23 |
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| schestowitz | Does this work for you? http://www.linux-mag.com/id/7255/ | Mar 02 22:26 |
| schestowitz | PetoKraus: Stweaty Works for Wisconsin? | Mar 02 22:27 |
| schestowitz | trmanco: cya | Mar 02 22:27 |
| schestowitz | http://electriciannotes.blogspot.co... | Mar 02 22:30 |
| schestowitz | "Recently, I came across a rather misguided article from PCWorld. The headline is: “Ubuntu’s upcoming 9.04 release offers few new end-user features. Is Ubuntu losing the end-user focus that made it a smash-hit distro?”" http://www.threeblackdots.info/2009/03/01... | Mar 02 22:31 |
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| PetoKraus | right, that's me running Xserver 1.6.0 ;) | Mar 02 22:38 |
| schestowitz | You'll jinx it if you talk about it. | Mar 02 22:41 |
| schestowitz | A lot of people read BN today. 2.5GB in the past 17 hrs. | Mar 02 22:42 |
| PetoKraus | it's working, so no jinx ;) | Mar 02 22:49 |
| schestowitz | :-( http://boycottnovell.com/2009/03/0... | Mar 02 22:51 |
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| schestowitz | "Be carefull, GNOME Do is just another stupid Mono app financed by M$-Novell trying to parasite Linux" ." http://www.linuxtoday.com/news_story... a few hours ago | Mar 02 22:51 |
| schestowitz | Turns out to be false. I wasn't sure about that. | Mar 02 22:52 |
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| schestowitz | CIA destroyed nearly 100 interrogation videotapes < http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/C/CIA_INT... > | Mar 02 22:54 |
| schestowitz | Will someone sued this CIA thingie? ;-)) | Mar 02 22:55 |
| MrMidland | You see the Dow today Roy? | Mar 02 22:55 |
| schestowitz | Yes, it's quite something, ain't it? | Mar 02 22:55 |
| schestowitz | Novell is collapsing too | Mar 02 22:55 |
| schestowitz | Its profits fell 36% in Thursday's report | Mar 02 22:55 |
| MrMidland | yeah, citigroup are in imminent danger to, as well as AIG | Mar 02 22:55 |
| MrMidland | Citigroup down 20% | Mar 02 22:56 |
| MrMidland | that's the biggest banking group in the world btw | Mar 02 22:56 |
| schestowitz | I want to show you something | Mar 02 22:56 |
| schestowitz | Wait.. | Mar 02 22:56 |
| MrMidland | at 1.2 from a 52 week high of 27!! | Mar 02 22:56 |
| schestowitz | http://cosmos.bcst.yahoo.com/up/finan... | Mar 02 22:56 |
| schestowitz | Chinese companies want to buy parts of AIG for nothing. | Mar 02 22:56 |
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| schestowitz | AIG CEO on Record-Breaking Q4 Loss -- $61 billion in last Q. | Mar 02 22:56 |
| schestowitz | twitter: MSFT at $15.7 | Mar 02 22:57 |
| MrMidland | i am watching | Mar 02 22:57 |
| schestowitz | Noell under $3 | Mar 02 22:57 |
| schestowitz | *novell | Mar 02 22:58 |
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| MrMidland | What is the end game? | Mar 02 22:59 |
| schestowitz | I wish I knew | Mar 02 23:00 |
| schestowitz | DOn't bet on it though | Mar 02 23:00 |
| schestowitz | There's no safe bet, not even gold | Mar 02 23:00 |
| MrMidland | GOld can be confiscated | Mar 02 23:00 |
| MrMidland | I think something like that happened in the last great depression | Mar 02 23:00 |
| schestowitz | So can bank accounts, in a way | Mar 02 23:00 |
| schestowitz | Gold taken away? | Mar 02 23:00 |
| MrMidland | and pensions | Mar 02 23:01 |
| MrMidland | 401k's | Mar 02 23:01 |
| MrMidland | houses | Mar 02 23:01 |
| MrMidland | Brown was seeing Obama today | Mar 02 23:02 |
| schestowitz | What for? | Mar 02 23:02 |
| MrMidland | no doubt to propose a synchronised 'Global' solution | Mar 02 23:02 |
| schestowitz | Obama is a sybolic figure. | Mar 02 23:02 |
| schestowitz | Like the queen... | Mar 02 23:02 |
| schestowitz | He doesn't have qualifications in ecnomics | Mar 02 23:03 |
| MrMidland | neither do the bankers | Mar 02 23:03 |
| schestowitz | I trust professors more than I trust businesspeople | Mar 02 23:03 |
| schestowitz | But they have less influence, so... | Mar 02 23:03 |
| MrMidland | another friend lost his job last week | Mar 02 23:03 |
| schestowitz | They also have stocks | Mar 02 23:04 |
| schestowitz | So there's bias instilled | Mar 02 23:04 |
| schestowitz | Here's a good video: | Mar 02 23:04 |
| schestowitz | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F-QA... | Mar 02 23:04 |
| MrMidland | Inflation is set to go through the roof, imports expensive, trillions being thrown at markets in vain to reinflate the bubble | Mar 02 23:05 |
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| MrMidland | Here's a good one for you ROy: | Mar 02 23:06 |
| MrMidland | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aW2V50AS7K0 | Mar 02 23:06 |
| MrMidland | go to 1 min | Mar 02 23:07 |
| schestowitz | On the likes of Brown.. http://www.youtube.com/watch... | Mar 02 23:07 |
| schestowitz | He's all right | Mar 02 23:07 |
| schestowitz | I like what I've seen of Paul. | Mar 02 23:07 |
| MrMidland | watch this ROy 1 minute in it gets interesting | Mar 02 23:07 |
| MrMidland | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aW2V50AS7K0 | Mar 02 23:07 |
| schestowitz | Bill O'Reilly and the Bush gang attacked him. | Mar 02 23:07 |
| MrMidland | yes i have watched a lot of his stuff | Mar 02 23:08 |
| MrMidland | he was mocked when he predicted this years ago | Mar 02 23:08 |
| schestowitz | SO spending more won't solve it?? ;-) ;-) | Mar 02 23:09 |
| schestowitz | But it works in Hollywood... | Mar 02 23:09 |
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| schestowitz | Hey, Goblin | Mar 02 23:10 |
| Goblin | hi! | Mar 02 23:10 |
| Goblin | Before I start..... | Mar 02 23:10 |
| schestowitz | We were just talking about Brownbama | Mar 02 23:11 |
| Goblin | is Net Applications related in anyway with MS? | Mar 02 23:11 |
| schestowitz | yes | Mar 02 23:11 |
| schestowitz | Wait.. | Mar 02 23:11 |
| schestowitz | http://boycottnovell.com/2009/02/06... | Mar 02 23:12 |
| Goblin | good.. | Mar 02 23:12 |
| Goblin | Ill check the link | Mar 02 23:12 |
| schestowitz | http://boycottnovell.com/2009/02/04/... | Mar 02 23:12 |
| schestowitz | Attack the shills | Mar 02 23:12 |
| Goblin | just disputing some "facts" linked on twitter. | Mar 02 23:12 |
| schestowitz | It's time to bury the "lies, damn lies, and Net Applications" | Mar 02 23:12 |
| Goblin | Thanks Roy. I just wanted to confirm with you before I started my counter post! | Mar 02 23:14 |
| schestowitz | They should be pressured to come clean | Mar 02 23:14 |
| schestowitz | Methods, data, etc. | Mar 02 23:14 |
| schestowitz | Not some "magic numbers" | Mar 02 23:15 |
| Goblin | Roy, are you interested in a link to all the MS MVP's currently twittering at the MVP09 conference? | Mar 02 23:15 |
| schestowitz | BN says half the people use Linux this month. So? | Mar 02 23:15 |
| schestowitz | Goblin: no, thanks. | Mar 02 23:15 |
| Goblin | np....I found it interesting... | Mar 02 23:16 |
| schestowitz | Let them fantasize. | Mar 02 23:17 |
| schestowitz | Linux grows regardless of 'figures' | Mar 02 23:18 |
| schestowitz | Which Microsoft sponsors in a way | Mar 02 23:18 |
| schestowitz | Just because you hide the growth of something doesn't mean it will go away... but... they intend to discourage migrations to GNU/Linux with one-liners like "Linux is less than 1%" | Mar 02 23:18 |
| schestowitz | They also ignore the broad market. Like Apple, they pretend that only desktops exist. | Mar 02 23:19 |
| Goblin | I think Firefox is the starting point for many people to discover Linux...I think the realization that something without the MS logo can be better...... | Mar 02 23:21 |
| MrMidland | Last one Roy....http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9... | Mar 02 23:21 |
| Goblin | is what starts them on a FOSS road. | Mar 02 23:21 |
| schestowitz | Thanks. http://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/20... | Mar 02 23:25 |
| schestowitz | MrMidland: finally one who's not a quack. | Mar 02 23:26 |
| schestowitz | "stimulus will save us!!111" Trust the Change.. the change! | Mar 02 23:27 |
| schestowitz | 13% unemployment in the US... | Mar 02 23:28 |
| schestowitz | He thinks it will be worse than the Great Depression | Mar 02 23:29 |
| schestowitz | He calls it "Greatest Depression" | Mar 02 23:29 |
| schestowitz | They lean on Obama... | Mar 02 23:31 |
| balzac | that's scary as hell | Mar 02 23:31 |
| schestowitz | That's a decent video. Realistic rather than filled with "change" BS.. | Mar 02 23:31 |
| balzac | it better not be worse than the Great Depression | Mar 02 23:31 |
| MinceR | gn | Mar 02 23:31 |
| schestowitz | balzac: hopefully not | Mar 02 23:31 |
| balzac | later MinceR | Mar 02 23:31 |
| schestowitz | But you don't control it | Mar 02 23:31 |
| balzac | well, we have different technology nowadays | Mar 02 23:32 |
| Balrog | hello I'm back | Mar 02 23:32 |
| balzac | things could be like halflife | Mar 02 23:32 |
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| Balrog | http://hardware.slashdot.org/article... | Mar 02 23:35 |
| Balrog | "Amiga Community Collaborates On Restorative Gel To Brighten Your Old Plastic" | Mar 02 23:35 |
| Balrog | -- may be useful | Mar 02 23:35 |
| schestowitz | Balrog: no, not HL :-) | Mar 02 23:36 |
| Balrog | ? | Mar 02 23:36 |
| schestowitz | Maybe there will be a boom (as in baby boom) some day in the future, who the heck knows? | Mar 02 23:36 |
| Balrog | heh | Mar 02 23:36 |
| schestowitz | HL=hald life | Mar 02 23:36 |
| schestowitz | Balrog: Watch http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9n... for context | Mar 02 23:37 |
| Balrog | I'm not talking about HL... | Mar 02 23:37 |
| schestowitz | balzac mentioned it just before you returned | Mar 02 23:38 |
| Balrog | yeah I saw | Mar 02 23:38 |
| Balrog | (i use irssi running on a server of mine) | Mar 02 23:39 |
| schestowitz | http://digg.com/world_news/Worst_econo... "The nation is being stolen from us not with guns, but with financial schemes.. $Trillion dollar "rescue plan" extortion and "stimul-us" swindles. Massive, out of control taxation without representation (theft) and Robbery with no end in sight. They've only just begun to get started. You ain't seen nothin' yet!" | Mar 02 23:41 |
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| schestowitz | Here's the way to look at it: an individual can do nothing to prevent what's been bubbling for decades for people to cope with (excess). _All_ people... | Mar 02 23:42 |
| hicham_ | hi all | Mar 02 23:42 |
| MrMidland | Gold is nearing $1000 per ounce thats up from $250 per ounce in 2001 | Mar 02 23:42 |
| schestowitz | Hey there, what's up? | Mar 02 23:42 |
| Balrog | history repeats itself. | Mar 02 23:43 |
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| schestowitz | MrMidland: good for jewelers who liquidate maybe | Mar 02 23:43 |
| MrMidland | you cannot re-inflate the bubble, there is no free lunch, we will all have to pay... | Mar 02 23:43 |
| MrMidland | lol | Mar 02 23:44 |
| hicham_ | can i ask u to explain more the reality of the deals between novell and microsoft? | Mar 02 23:44 |
| Balrog | schestowitz: intel is outsourcing atom chip fabrication to TSMC | Mar 02 23:47 |
| schestowitz | MrMidland: the question is, when? | Mar 02 23:48 |
| schestowitz | People love to leave problems deferred.. until later. Thus people end up with a debt of GBP33k per head. | Mar 02 23:49 |
| schestowitz | Balrog: don't they already produce all their chips in south east Asia? | Mar 02 23:49 |
| balzac | hicham_: Microsoft is using Novell as a "trojan horse" to subvert software freedom. | Mar 02 23:49 |
| schestowitz | hicham_: what do you already know about it? | Mar 02 23:50 |
| hicham_ | i just seen the website boycottnovell.com | Mar 02 23:50 |
| schestowitz | balzac: and Novell gets a penny for doing this. | Mar 02 23:50 |
| Balrog | probably, but yet another company... | Mar 02 23:50 |
| schestowitz | Well, Novell gets a penny, Hovsepian gets $6 million in one year. And SUSE devs get firred | Mar 02 23:50 |
| Balrog | Read about Moonlight and Mono...and the criticism it's receiving over patents | Mar 02 23:51 |
| Balrog | they're * | Mar 02 23:51 |
| hicham_ | i immediately wiped the mono packages from my system | Mar 02 23:51 |
| schestowitz | "Intellectual property is the next software." -- Nathan Myhrvold, Microsoft patent troll | Mar 02 23:51 |
| schestowitz | ".NET is the next Linux" --Novell de Icaza | Mar 02 23:51 |
| hicham_ | i dont see the point in developing dotnet apps in Linux | Mar 02 23:52 |
| Balrog | or writing new .NET code for any platform | Mar 02 23:52 |
| schestowitz | OK, here's a real quote: “At Microsoft I learned the truth about ActiveX and COM and I got very interested in it inmediately [sic].” --Miguel de Icaza | Mar 02 23:52 |
| Balrog | there are better ways to do things. | Mar 02 23:52 |
| hicham_ | COM is one of the most controversed technologies inside microsoft | Mar 02 23:53 |
| hicham_ | microsoft itself just do a lot of hacks to make things work with com | Mar 02 23:53 |
| schestowitz | But that's what he knows | Mar 02 23:54 |
| schestowitz | His background when he was in Mexico | Mar 02 23:54 |
| schestowitz | He wrote this a long time ago, probably not so long after he had gone to Microsoft for a job interview | Mar 02 23:54 |
| Balrog | didn't de Icaza kickstart GNOME? | Mar 02 23:54 |
| schestowitz | In a way, he eventually got the job. He's a VP in mini-Microsoft now (Novell Inc.) | Mar 02 23:55 |
| schestowitz | Balrog: he did. | Mar 02 23:55 |
| MrMidland | I gotta shoot Roy, i'll check in tomorrow evening, keep your eye on the markets, a new financial epoch awaits us! | Mar 02 23:55 |
| Balrog | so use KDE then? | Mar 02 23:56 |
| balzac | de Icaza stunk up Gnome | Mar 02 23:56 |
| schestowitz | MrMidland: cya later | Mar 02 23:56 |
| schestowitz | Balrog: not necessarily | Mar 02 23:57 |
| schestowitz | There are many other desktops and GNOME can be emptied from Mono | Mar 02 23:57 |
| hicham_ | Gnome is Redhat powered | Mar 02 23:57 |
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| schestowitz | GNOME is getting harder to disinfect though | Mar 02 23:57 |
| schestowitz | OpenSUSE is the hardest to wash Mono out of. | Mar 02 23:57 |
| Balrog | in any case, KDE4.2 is much better than previous versions. | Mar 02 23:57 |
| Balrog | appears to be better than gnome | Mar 02 23:58 |
| hicham_ | i tried to disinfect gnome from evolution libs, but it is tied very hard | Mar 02 23:58 |
| schestowitz | And with Moonlight they'll try to infect all birds with... well, one StoneShine. | Mar 02 23:58 |
| Balrog | :( | Mar 02 23:58 |
| Balrog | well Moonlight 1.0 is rather simple | Mar 02 23:58 |
| Balrog | just a library | Mar 02 23:58 |
| schestowitz | Balrog: KDE is pretty stubborn on no-mono | Mar 02 23:58 |
| schestowitz | I see it in the mailing list | Mar 02 23:58 |
| Balrog | Moonlight 2.0 is more nasty ... requires mono :( | Mar 02 23:58 |
| hicham_ | moonlight is simple, since they implemented .Net | Mar 02 23:59 |
| schestowitz | Xfce and others seem uninterested in GNOME, but I didn't see any public stance made against it | Mar 02 23:59 |
| Balrog | but all the content I care about is Moonlight 2.0-tyle | Mar 02 23:59 |
| Balrog | type * | Mar 02 23:59 |
| schestowitz | hicham_: yes, EEE | Mar 02 23:59 |
| Balrog | yeah, they did implement .NET | Mar 02 23:59 |
