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| schestowitz | It's quite major | Mar 24 15:12 |
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| _Hicham_ | providing binary compatibility for existing programs eases the transition | Mar 24 15:12 |
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| Omar87 | Hi | Mar 24 15:13 |
| _Hicham_ | hi Omar87 | Mar 24 15:13 |
| schestowitz | Read the CNET article. Maybe if you give opinions... | Mar 24 15:15 |
| schestowitz | It's coming right out of Microsoft | Mar 24 15:16 |
| schestowitz | They passed it to the puppet Ina Fried to publish and promote | Mar 24 15:16 |
| Omar87 | _Hicham_: Hey | Mar 24 15:18 |
| schestowitz | What's up, Omar87? | Mar 24 15:19 |
| schestowitz | Someone mailed me a cartoon I want to show you. I don't know the source | Mar 24 15:20 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz: nothin' :) | Mar 24 15:20 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz: http://blog.internetnews.com/sker... | Mar 24 15:20 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz: Too bad this thing is sponsored by Novell though.. -_- | Mar 24 15:21 |
| schestowitz | It's IDC | Mar 24 15:21 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft puppet mostly | Mar 24 15:21 |
| schestowitz | paid-to-say lackeys | Mar 24 15:22 |
| schestowitz | Mostly anti-Linux comes from them | Mar 24 15:22 |
| schestowitz | And Novell feeds them | Mar 24 15:22 |
| schestowitz | Omar87: read http://boycottnovell.com/2009... and http://www.itwire.com/content/vi... | Mar 24 15:22 |
| schestowitz | What will it be with Dell's Linux phones (rumours)? http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS6... | Mar 24 15:25 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz: But, did you read what the link I gave you says? | Mar 24 15:26 |
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| Omar87 | It's full of optimism about Linux taking over the server and desktop industries this year after this economic downturn. | Mar 24 15:28 |
| Eruaran | hello | Mar 24 15:28 |
| Omar87 | Eruaran: Hey | Mar 24 15:28 |
| Eruaran | I see TomTom joined the OIN | Mar 24 15:29 |
| Eruaran | This is potentially where things get really interesting | Mar 24 15:29 |
| _Hicham_ | Linux will take over the market | Mar 24 15:31 |
| MinceR | unless m$ can make it illegal or something | Mar 24 15:33 |
| MinceR | it depends on how they use their money before they die | Mar 24 15:33 |
| _Hicham_ | no they can't | Mar 24 15:33 |
| Eruaran | One commenter on Computerworld's reporting of it said, "Microsoft: The biggest corporate train wreck in history. It's fun to watch." | Mar 24 15:33 |
| _Hicham_ | Linux is strong with the GPL | Mar 24 15:34 |
| MinceR | (how much of it is used to bribe people and whom they choose to bribe, stuff like that) | Mar 24 15:34 |
| Eruaran | Cant bribe everybody. Time's up for that sort of thing I think. | Mar 24 15:38 |
| schestowitz | http://boycottnovell.com/wiki/index.php... important start... for articles indexing | Mar 24 15:40 |
| schestowitz | Omar87: yes, I saw that | Mar 24 15:40 |
| schestowitz | It's paid for (the 'study') | Mar 24 15:40 |
| schestowitz | They state the obvious | Mar 24 15:41 |
| schestowitz | And when Microsoft pays then, they deny the obvious | Mar 24 15:41 |
| schestowitz | Hi, Eruaran | Mar 24 15:41 |
| schestowitz | I mentioned Mono and KDE | Mar 24 15:41 |
| _Hicham_ | Roy : u r doing a good job on the website | Mar 24 15:41 |
| schestowitz | Thanks, _Hicham_ | Mar 24 15:42 |
| Eruaran | Hi Roy | Mar 24 15:42 |
| schestowitz | A journalist has just linked to the Wiki | Mar 24 15:42 |
| schestowitz | because we sort of 'unveiled' this last night | Mar 24 15:42 |
| schestowitz | It was only mentioned in comments/IRC before | Mar 24 15:42 |
| Omar87 | lol, okay guys listen to this joke. | Mar 24 15:48 |
| *Eruaran listens | Mar 24 15:49 | |
| Omar87 | A friend of mine at college gave an Ubuntu CD to one of his mates, who bare know what Linux is. | Mar 24 15:49 |
| Eruaran | go on | Mar 24 15:50 |
| Omar87 | Today, this guy, supposedly a CS student.. Started complaining that Ubuntu nearly trashed his Vista installation. | Mar 24 15:50 |
| Eruaran | ? | Mar 24 15:51 |
| Omar87 | His story was that, after he successfully installed and started Ubuntu, he then wanted to get back to Vista. | Mar 24 15:51 |
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| tacone | http://www.microsoft.com/web/ | Mar 24 15:52 |
| Omar87 | After he the reboot, the grub showed three things: Vista, His laptop's Recovery system and Ubuntu. | Mar 24 15:52 |
| Eruaran | So what was his problem ? | Mar 24 15:53 |
| Omar87 | By mistake, chose to start the Recovery System instead of Vista, so after realizing that, he quickly stopped it and then rebooted the machine.. | Mar 24 15:53 |
| MinceR | and ubuntu did it. | Mar 24 15:54 |
| Omar87 | Which trashed grub but didn't harm Vista.. | Mar 24 15:54 |
| tacone | also WIMP became WIMPS | Mar 24 15:54 |
| Omar87 | This is where the joke it. | Mar 24 15:54 |
| tacone | (as in Silverlight) | Mar 24 15:54 |
| Omar87 | is* | Mar 24 15:54 |
| MinceR | isn't WIMP Window, Icon, Menu, Pointer or something like that? | Mar 24 15:55 |
| tacone | depends :) | Mar 24 15:55 |
| tacone | Windows Iis Mysql Php Silverlight | Mar 24 15:55 |
| Omar87 | This guy, who's a CS student, shamelessly blurts out a stupid pointless excuse for not giving Ubuntu a try.. :) | Mar 24 15:55 |
| Omar87 | Three words: "Fear..of..change" | Mar 24 15:56 |
| Eruaran | Thats it ? | Mar 24 15:56 |
| Omar87 | That's it. | Mar 24 15:56 |
| Eruaran | And he's a CS student ? | Mar 24 15:56 |
| Omar87 | Eruaran: somehow.. yes! :) | Mar 24 15:56 |
| Omar87 | Eruaran: Just to tell you how pathetic thing are.. here in Jordan.. -_- | Mar 24 15:57 |
| Omar87 | things* | Mar 24 15:57 |
| Eruaran | He would do well to realise Linux will be around long after Vista is long gone. | Mar 24 15:58 |
| Eruaran | And he'd never get a job where I work. | Mar 24 15:58 |
| Omar87 | Eruaran: Yeah, he would, but, what can you say.. | Mar 24 15:58 |
| Omar87 | brb | Mar 24 15:59 |
| Eruaran | If he wants a job when he leaves uni, he'd better pull his head out of his proverbial. | Mar 24 15:59 |
| Eruaran | And get a clue as well :) | Mar 24 15:59 |
| _Hicham_ | all of my mates don't use Linux | Mar 24 16:00 |
| _Hicham_ | I am the only one to use Linux in class | Mar 24 16:00 |
| _Hicham_ | I look strange to them | Mar 24 16:00 |
| _Hicham_ | a professor who was teaching us during OS Lab, comes to me and asked to install Linux for her | Mar 24 16:01 |
| _Hicham_ | because she never installed Linux | Mar 24 16:01 |
| _Hicham_ | and she told me : so I need samba to access my existing Windows partitions? | Mar 24 16:01 |
| _Hicham_ | and really, I couldn't answer her, because she's my professor and I respect her a lot | Mar 24 16:02 |
| _Hicham_ | all of my mates who want to try Linux comes to me and say : " In Linux, everything is done via CLI?" | Mar 24 16:03 |
| _Hicham_ | and I don't really know how to answer | Mar 24 16:03 |
| _Hicham_ | and those CS students | Mar 24 16:03 |
| _Hicham_ | and those are CS students | Mar 24 16:04 |
| Eruaran | Call them idiots and walk away | Mar 24 16:04 |
| schestowitz | A journalist has just mailed us for comment :-) | Mar 24 16:05 |
| _Hicham_ | about what Roy? | Mar 24 16:05 |
| tacone | schestowitz: ? | Mar 24 16:06 |
| tacone | about ms web ? | Mar 24 16:06 |
| tacone | if so you can't tell them is a nice move from microsoft. as for the intent, is multiple. Spreading silverlight, appeal ms-lazysysadmins, make good pr, get revenue from future payfor apps, etc. | Mar 24 16:07 |
| tacone | err *can* | Mar 24 16:07 |
| schestowitz | Hey | Mar 24 16:10 |
| *schestowitz catches up | Mar 24 16:10 | |
| tacone | lol | Mar 24 16:10 |
| _Hicham_ | Roy : where r u ? | Mar 24 16:11 |
| schestowitz | _Hicham_: about SUSE Enterprise Desktop 11 | Mar 24 16:12 |
| schestowitz | SL[GNU/inux]ED 11 | Mar 24 16:12 |
| tacone | oh | Mar 24 16:12 |
| _Hicham_ | what about it? | Mar 24 16:13 |
| Omar87 | _Hicham_: So, where are you from? | Mar 24 16:14 |
| _Hicham_ | I am from Morocco | Mar 24 16:14 |
| Omar87 | _Hicham_: Cool! ;) | Mar 24 16:15 |
| Omar87 | Ya know guys: | Mar 24 16:17 |
| Omar87 | ? | Mar 24 16:17 |
| Omar87 | I believe that the FOSS community should consider adding more incentives for programmers and developers. | Mar 24 16:19 |
| tacone | FOSS community right now only cares about Moms and nerds. | Mar 24 16:19 |
| Omar87 | And by that, I mean stuff like world-wide programming contests and stuff.. | Mar 24 16:19 |
| Omar87 | Moms and nerds? | Mar 24 16:20 |
| MinceR | programmers are developers and developers are nerds | Mar 24 16:20 |
| tacone | yes. mom and nerds. | Mar 24 16:20 |
| Omar87 | What do you mean? | Mar 24 16:20 |
| tacone | there are many types of developers | Mar 24 16:20 |
| tacone | there are good developers who could really care less about how to package a .deb | Mar 24 16:20 |
| tacone | or how to use vim. | Mar 24 16:20 |
| tacone | if you get what I mean. | Mar 24 16:20 |
| MinceR | what makes them good? | Mar 24 16:21 |
| tacone | Linux lacks IDES and easy to use dev-tools | Mar 24 16:21 |
| MinceR | IDEs are overrated | Mar 24 16:21 |
| tacone | lol | Mar 24 16:22 |
| tacone | right. | Mar 24 16:22 |
| Omar87 | overrated? | Mar 24 16:22 |
| MinceR | and Logo is an easy to use "dev-tool", they should give that a try if they're afraid of doing actual work. | Mar 24 16:22 |
| schestowitz | What's wrong with Eclipse? | Mar 24 16:22 |
| schestowitz | In the news today: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/03/... http://www.internetnews.com/dev-news/artic... | Mar 24 16:23 |
| Omar87 | By the way, speaking of div tool. Our Database instructor told us about at a program that we might be using in the project.. | Mar 24 16:23 |
| schestowitz | There is no GNU IDE | Mar 24 16:23 |
| schestowitz | Not one that's rich | Mar 24 16:23 |
| schestowitz | But there's no lack of IDEs for GNU/Linux | Mar 24 16:23 |
| schestowitz | Qt Lab.... | Mar 24 16:23 |
| MinceR | a couple of things are wrong with eclipse | Mar 24 16:23 |
| MinceR | starting with the GUI design tool that just can't be made to work | Mar 24 16:24 |
| Omar87 | The program transforms ER diagrams into code. However, I don't think this thing has any sort of support for Linux. | Mar 24 16:24 |
| _Hicham_ | Eclipse is Great for Java | Mar 24 16:24 |
| MinceR | and continuing with the soul-killing process of installing components to eclipse | Mar 24 16:24 |
| _Hicham_ | Qt/Kdevelop great for KDE and lot more stuff | Mar 24 16:24 |
| Omar87 | _Hicham_: CodeBlocks is good for C++. | Mar 24 16:24 |
| _Hicham_ | Anjuta is super great for creating Gnome projects | Mar 24 16:25 |
| _Hicham_ | CodeBlocks is good also | Mar 24 16:25 |
| MinceR | gvim is better than all others for all of those tasks | Mar 24 16:25 |
| _Hicham_ | so there is a lot of choice | Mar 24 16:25 |
| _Hicham_ | gvim is a master also | Mar 24 16:25 |
| _Hicham_ | with all the plugins and syntax highlighting | Mar 24 16:25 |
| _Hicham_ | gedit | Mar 24 16:25 |
| Omar87 | I also heard, Dia is good for ER-Diagraming. | Mar 24 16:26 |
| _Hicham_ | plus developing in Linux is a lot easy than windows | Mar 24 16:26 |
| _Hicham_ | Dia, Umbrello | Mar 24 16:26 |
| schestowitz | Red Hat shares up on speculation of Oracle deal < http://www.reuters.com/article/i... > | Mar 24 16:26 |
| _Hicham_ | Diagramming and code generation also | Mar 24 16:26 |
| tacone | the only entity developing a polished IDE these days seems novell itself, with MonoDevelop. | Mar 24 16:26 |
| Omar87 | _Hicham_: Yeah, but.. tell that to my mates over here.. :) | Mar 24 16:26 |
| _Hicham_ | Quanta for Web Development | Mar 24 16:27 |
| _Hicham_ | MonoDevelop is good but only for .NET | Mar 24 16:27 |
| _Hicham_ | but I don't like .NET | Mar 24 16:27 |
| schestowitz | "Investors have long speculated that software giant Oracle would one day buy Red Hat, which sells subscriptions to maintain services for its version of the open-source Linux operating system." | Mar 24 16:27 |
| _Hicham_ | they can't buy Red Hat | Mar 24 16:28 |
| _Hicham_ | RedHat have a stable place in the Market | Mar 24 16:28 |
| schestowitz | That won't happen | Mar 24 16:31 |
| schestowitz | But then again, Red Hat is only obliged to shareholders, not to "community" | Mar 24 16:31 |
| schestowitz | And with Sun at risk of being devoured, who the heck the knows..... | Mar 24 16:32 |
| tacone | still, RH is a big linux contributor. | Mar 24 16:33 |
| _Hicham_ | Sun is not like RedHat | Mar 24 16:37 |
| _Hicham_ | RedHat have a strong community | Mar 24 16:37 |
| _Hicham_ | Sun failed to open source Java | Mar 24 16:37 |
| tacone | uh | Mar 24 16:38 |
| tacone | is wordpress gpl 2 and not 3 ? shame ! | Mar 24 16:38 |
| _Hicham_ | I don't know about WordPress | Mar 24 16:41 |
| schestowitz | tacone: I lobbies WP | Mar 24 16:41 |
| schestowitz | *lobbied | Mar 24 16:41 |
| schestowitz | A year ago, to move to GPLv3 | Mar 24 16:41 |
| tacone | schestowitz: and ... ? | Mar 24 16:42 |
| schestowitz | http://comox.textdrive.com/piperm... | Mar 24 16:42 |
| schestowitz | Thread here: http://comox.textdrive.com/pipermail/wp... | Mar 24 16:42 |
| tacone | nothing done | Mar 24 16:45 |
| tacone | there's not information on licenses accepted on that store | Mar 24 16:47 |
| schestowitz | Push them some more | Mar 24 16:50 |
| schestowitz | I've done what I could. RMS knows about it also.. | Mar 24 16:50 |
| schestowitz | PetoKraus: http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/rss/-... ( Virgin eyes 150Mb broadband speed ) | Mar 24 16:51 |
| tacone | for what is worth: http://www.stefanoforenza.com/microso... | Mar 24 16:59 |
| _Hicham_ | some thing that MSVC is excellent at is code completion | Mar 24 17:01 |
| _Hicham_ | Eclipse is also good on Java | Mar 24 17:01 |
| _Hicham_ | but for C and C++, MSVC is superior | Mar 24 17:01 |
| schestowitz | So Dell *is* still at it: Michael Dell Hints at Smartphones, Mobile Internet Devices < http://www.pcworld.com/article/161827/michae... > | Mar 24 17:06 |
| trmanco | try emacs or netbeans | Mar 24 17:06 |
| trmanco | or vim | Mar 24 17:07 |
| schestowitz | :-S Not enough to check... do: http://techdirt.com/articles/2009... (US Trade Rep Promises To Review Transparency Policies) | Mar 24 17:07 |
| schestowitz | I developed mostly with nedit, kate, glade, other tools. I rejected IDEs | Mar 24 17:08 |
| schestowitz | Even the MATLAB IDE is not worth it. | Mar 24 17:08 |
| trmanco | I like IDE's because of it's code completion | Mar 24 17:09 |
| schestowitz | So Much For That Plan: Google CIO Doesn't Even Last A Year At EMI < http://techdirt.com/articles/2... > | Mar 24 17:09 |
| schestowitz | Can you help me find more PI-MS connections? http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/techn... http://www.google.com/search?q=sit... | Mar 24 17:09 |
| schestowitz | I found Google's accusations from 2007, but nothing else. | Mar 24 17:09 |
| schestowitz | trmanco: true. Kate does that too (KDevelop) | Mar 24 17:10 |
| trmanco | snippets are useful too | Mar 24 17:10 |
| trmanco | brb | Mar 24 17:10 |
| schestowitz | You don't need an IDE for Kate parts.... also, it has a CLI with translucency integrated at the bottom... file browser, rabbing... | Mar 24 17:10 |
| ushimitsudoki | WingWare make a nice Python IDE. It is a commercial product, but if you are using it for an open-source project, it is available no-charge. | Mar 24 17:10 |
| schestowitz | *tabbing | Mar 24 17:10 |
| schestowitz | ushimitsudoki: many editors go Free | Mar 24 17:11 |
| schestowitz | I last noticed one last week. | Mar 24 17:11 |
| tacone | no charge ? I didn't know that. | Mar 24 17:11 |
| schestowitz | Kate addresses most needs | Mar 24 17:11 |
| schestowitz | KWrite is good when you need multiple sessions of text editing. | Mar 24 17:12 |
| tacone | i am just using Eric this days. not perfect, but at least workable | Mar 24 17:12 |
| schestowitz | But.... KATE has no inline spellchecker! Very big loss. | Mar 24 17:12 |
| schestowitz | Even KNode has inline spellchecker | Mar 24 17:12 |
| ushimitsudoki | tacone: yes, you have to send them you project information. it is very simple and takes about a day to get back a code. I looked a long time for a very good python IDE, and WingIDE was the best I found. The best open-source python IDE was Komodo Edit. | Mar 24 17:12 |
| tacone | wow. | Mar 24 17:12 |
| ushimitsudoki | for my needs anyway. if you need a python-specific IDE for an open source project, I highly recommend giving it a look | Mar 24 17:13 |
| tacone | I even have a project to submit. I'll try maybe. WW always looked good to me. | Mar 24 17:13 |
| Omar87 | ushimitsudoki: Regarding Wingware, if I tell them I'll be working on a Python-based open source web app, they might give it to me for free? | Mar 24 17:15 |
| tacone | Omar87: http://www.wingware.com/store/prices | Mar 24 17:15 |
| tacone | read the bottom of the page. | Mar 24 17:15 |
| ushimitsudoki | Omar87: http://wingware.net/store/prices | Mar 24 17:15 |
| ushimitsudoki | ah yeah | Mar 24 17:15 |
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| ushimitsudoki | I had a small GPLv3 project up with a couple of source releases, and they hooked me right up. | Mar 24 17:16 |
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| *schestowitz just realise what "RT" stands for http://www.brentozar.com/ar... (other than Ray Tracing) | Mar 24 17:23 | |
| schestowitz | Has anybody tried Zenwalk? | Mar 24 17:26 |
| schestowitz | It has just received a negative review from a KDE user: Zenwalk 6.0: Not Quite Ready < http://www.itnewstoday.com/?p=252 >. He doesn't like GNOME BTW | Mar 24 17:26 |
| trmanco | schestowitz, I recommended it to a friend of mine | Mar 24 17:27 |
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| vlt | hi all. in which way do you guys boycott novell? | Mar 24 17:29 |
| kentma | it's in the subjunctive, like "long live the king". | Mar 24 17:29 |
| kentma | ie., it's an expression of desire - the subtitling is probably of more direct interest | Mar 24 17:30 |
| vlt | do you reject to use any software that contains parts of code by novell inside? | Mar 24 17:31 |
| kentma | you're not really asking the right questions here... | Mar 24 17:31 |
| kentma | it's more about software patent risk, that kind of thing. | Mar 24 17:31 |
| vlt | 'm just asking what's interesting to me | Mar 24 17:31 |
| vlt | which are the right questions to you? | Mar 24 17:32 |
| kentma | as I just said, it's about patent risk and such like really | Mar 24 17:34 |
| schestowitz | Oracle is not buying Red Hat < http://blogs.computerworld.com/or... >. Please pass on to stop the rumours. | Mar 24 17:34 |
| schestowitz | Hi, vlt | Mar 24 17:34 |
| vlt | hi | Mar 24 17:34 |
| schestowitz | vlt: what is your relationship with SUSE is any? | Mar 24 17:35 |
| vlt | i tried opensuse at once | Mar 24 17:35 |
| schestowitz | I see. | Mar 24 17:35 |
| vlt | this summer | Mar 24 17:35 |
| schestowitz | What do you use now? | Mar 24 17:35 |
| vlt | and removed it right away | Mar 24 17:35 |
| vlt | windows at home, mandriva at work | Mar 24 17:35 |
| schestowitz | I heard the party line at first, so I was curious | Mar 24 17:36 |
| schestowitz | I'm on Mandriva on my main box too | Mar 24 17:36 |
| schestowitz | Novell loves to say that you can't boycott Novell | Mar 24 17:36 |
| schestowitz | They have a lot of marketing, PR muscle that's hard to counter due to scale. | Mar 24 17:36 |
| vlt | :)) i actually signed that petition in the internet | Mar 24 17:36 |
| _Hicham_ | Roy : Novell is a big contributor to Kernel | Mar 24 17:37 |
| kentma | I'm more debian & ubuntu, although I've got a couple of maemo devices (debian really), and a linups acer aa1 | Mar 24 17:37 |
| vlt | and to openoffice | Mar 24 17:37 |
| _Hicham_ | Greg Kroah-Hartman is working for Novell | Mar 24 17:37 |
| vlt | i think that novell is just a starting platform for m$ to start screwing linux | Mar 24 17:38 |
| vlt | and they actually don't screw it directly through novell | Mar 24 17:38 |
| _Hicham_ | Novell has contributed a lot to the kernel? | Mar 24 17:42 |
| schestowitz | vlt: yes, that's the plan | Mar 24 17:42 |
| schestowitz | Make another 'Linux; | Mar 24 17:42 |
| schestowitz | Then move users to it | Mar 24 17:42 |
| schestowitz | Or pollute other distros | Mar 24 17:42 |
| schestowitz | They already pollute Ubuntu with Mono | Mar 24 17:42 |
| vlt | noo, not like that at all | Mar 24 17:42 |
| vlt | it's enough to steal leading developers and architects | Mar 24 17:43 |
| schestowitz | Like who? | Mar 24 17:43 |
| schestowitz | Novell lost some key devs | Mar 24 17:44 |
| schestowitz | it also sacked many recently. | Mar 24 17:44 |
| schestowitz | 20% of the SUSE devs, more to come. | Mar 24 17:44 |
| schestowitz | It also release SLE11 prematurely | Mar 24 17:44 |
| schestowitz | It shows... they just aren't too serious | Mar 24 17:44 |
| vlt | their first opensuse release with kde4 wasn't serious at all | Mar 24 17:45 |
| kentma | I think they're just running out of money, to be honest. | Mar 24 17:45 |
| kentma | there was a piece up recently somewhere indicating that almost no major businesses had agreed to buy "licences" or whatever they were for Linux. | Mar 24 17:45 |
| kentma | Personally, I know of one where it was stopped, but I can't say who or what happened. | Mar 24 17:45 |
| vlt | why should they, they can always avoid to buy but rather use smth that's free of charge concerning linux | Mar 24 17:46 |
| kentma | ah, the deal offered amounted to a discount, so it was compelling. | Mar 24 17:47 |
| schestowitz | Short-term gain | Mar 24 17:47 |
| schestowitz | If Novell is bought this year, which is possible, many of these customers will move to Red hat | Mar 24 17:48 |
| schestowitz | It's already happening | Mar 24 17:48 |
| schestowitz | I've read somewhere that some of those contracts with MS/Novell were dropped (not renewed), so Centos/RHT seems possible. | Mar 24 17:48 |
| schestowitz | Companies are actually SHY to announce Novell contracts | Mar 24 17:48 |
| schestowitz | Same with Oracle | Mar 24 17:48 |
| schestowitz | They got SLAMMED if their customers found out that they ditched Red Hat for Oracle's ropoff | Mar 24 17:49 |
| schestowitz | *ripoff | Mar 24 17:49 |
| schestowitz | The only ones really announcing the move to SUSE and Waltham MA and Redmond WA | Mar 24 17:49 |
| schestowitz | Looks at this rubbish.. hilarious: http://www.moreinterop.com/ | Mar 24 17:51 |
| schestowitz | http://www.upi.com/Entertainment_News/200... "Thousands of videos disappeared," Fred von Lohmann, an attorney for the Internet civil liberties group Electronic Frontier Foundation, told the Times. "Either they turned off the audio, or they pulled the video." Their loss. | Mar 24 17:53 |
| schestowitz | "Major media companies are increasingly lobbying Google to elevate their expensive professional content within the search engine's undifferentiated slush of results." http://adage.com/mediaworks/artic... | Mar 24 17:55 |
| schestowitz | bbl | Mar 24 17:59 |
| vlt | hey, we didn't yet watch the first video to the end | Mar 24 17:59 |
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| vlt | steve ballmer likes to exclamate and tell plenty of words i see. nothing exact about the end result though | Mar 24 18:14 |
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| balzac | hello | Mar 24 18:32 |
| balzac | I just wrote a nicely-worded scare letter (sincere, not deceptive or manipulative) to my contact inside a financial services company. | Mar 24 18:32 |
| balzac | heheh | Mar 24 18:32 |
| balzac | It was fun to write and I'm hoping it will get me in the door for some consulting. | Mar 24 18:33 |
| balzac | Watch out, turbulence ahead for customers of certain lame software vendors. | Mar 24 18:33 |
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| Omar87 | So, can we say that MS's "EEE" tactics are still going on until now? | Mar 24 18:42 |
| Omar87 | "EEE" = "Embrace, Extend and Extinguish" | Mar 24 18:44 |
| tacone | Microsoft explicitly stated its renewed interest for standards compliance won't affect they're extending strategy. | Mar 24 18:45 |
| tacone | zomg. bad grammar. :( | Mar 24 18:46 |
| Omar87 | "their extending strategy"? | Mar 24 18:47 |
| tacone | yes. | Mar 24 18:47 |
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| benJIman | Wow there's some epicly misleading posts on boy today. | Mar 24 19:17 |
| PetoKraus | go share :) | Mar 24 19:18 |
| benJIman | http://boycottnovell.com/200... "lolwhut" | Mar 24 19:18 |
| benJIman | Apparently there's some problem with it being under GPL compatible licences, some of which are less restrictive than the GPL. | Mar 24 19:18 |
| benJIman | http://boycottnovell.com/2009/0... "someone told us that someone is doing something that someone thinks might be something todo with microsoft .net" | Mar 24 19:19 |
| PetoKraus | oh well | Mar 24 19:21 |
| schestowitz | I asked a senior at Red Hat about Oracle (takeover rumours). He said: "I cannot comment on these sorts of rumors." | Mar 24 19:55 |
| trmanco | hehe http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kern... who wan't tuz on Ubuntu? | Mar 24 19:56 |
| trmanco | wants* | Mar 24 19:56 |
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| schestowitz | BN is keeping exceptionally high # of visitors this week and I really don't know where they come from. | Mar 24 20:42 |
| trmanco | so, anyone here like cars? | Mar 24 20:46 |
| schestowitz | Vista7: The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly < http://www.pcworld.com/article/1... > | Mar 24 20:47 |
| schestowitz | What's w/ with word "zealot"? http://feeds.pcworld.com/click.phdo... "Look, I have put my faith in OS X since 2003, but I'm not one of those Mac zealots who think that Macs are infallible." | Mar 24 20:50 |
| schestowitz | Sun does not support Solaris??? ...Nor GNU/Linux http://www.pcworld.com/article/1... "But that number could have been higher if JavaFX had shipped with support for Linux or Sun's own Solaris operating systems. JavaFX currently supports only Windows and Mac. Sun says Linux and Solaris support will surface this year." | Mar 24 20:55 |
| schestowitz | "The Boycott Novell people maintain that she "always gets it wrong on Red Hat." We'll see if she hit the jackpot this time." http://www.linux-magazine.com/onli... She's not. Red Hat denies it. | Mar 24 20:55 |
| schestowitz | Biden poisoned the US DOJ with his buddy from MAFIAA: http://www.publicknowledge.org/node/2045 (Say it ain't so: Justice Department Run by Former Content Industry Lawyers Sides with Content Industry) | Mar 24 21:06 |
| schestowitz | UK Police is trying to divide people, suppressing organisation and turning all to strangers: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2... "A new ad campaign by the Metropolitan Police warns the public to be on the alert for strangers who look at them in a funny way, and to check the contents of their neighbours’ bins." | Mar 24 21:14 |
| schestowitz | UK ambassador says: Terrorist Scare No. 372 Bollocks < http://www.craigmurray.org.uk... > | Mar 24 21:15 |
| trmanco | http://bit.ly/10sFSK | Mar 24 21:18 |
| trmanco | http://www.0xdeadbeef.com/web... | Mar 24 21:21 |
| schestowitz | OGL FTW! | Mar 24 21:26 |
| MinceR | Open Gaming License ftw, indeed | Mar 24 21:26 |
| MinceR | but 3d graphics don't belong on the web | Mar 24 21:27 |
| schestowitz | In that former link the guys is feeding an IDG TROLL | Mar 24 21:27 |
| MinceR | i want a web that doesn't make a render farm necessary for browsing | Mar 24 21:28 |
| trmanco | MinceR, soon we weill have a "render farm" at home | Mar 24 21:29 |
| trmanco | will* | Mar 24 21:29 |
| MinceR | and in our pockets? | Mar 24 21:29 |
| MinceR | one for each tab? | Mar 24 21:29 |
| trmanco | haha, maybe | Mar 24 21:29 |
| MinceR | what if i'd like to use that computing power for something other than reading a few paragraphs of text? | Mar 24 21:29 |
| MinceR | i really hate the way the web is bloated now | Mar 24 21:30 |
| trmanco | just block it | Mar 24 21:30 |
| MinceR | i think i'm going to move to ff3 and use noscript extensively | Mar 24 21:30 |
| trmanco | still on FF2? | Mar 24 21:30 |
| MinceR | i still wonder what i can do about the 23947928374 layers of PNGs with alpha channels | Mar 24 21:30 |
| MinceR | on opera | Mar 24 21:30 |
| trmanco | ah ok | Mar 24 21:30 |
| MinceR | and i have to realize that opera still does quite a few things a lot better than ff | Mar 24 21:31 |
| schestowitz | More open source bullS*. http://tech.slashdot.org/article.... nicely tagged openyourbankaccount | Mar 24 21:31 |
| trmanco | like what? | Mar 24 21:31 |
| schestowitz | ^ It's not open source | Mar 24 21:31 |
| MinceR | for example i can save all bookmarks, one bookmark folder or selected bookmarks to files in 2 formats | Mar 24 21:31 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: NoScript | Mar 24 21:31 |
| schestowitz | Too much XSS | Mar 24 21:32 |
| trmanco | schestowitz, but it does comply with the standards | Mar 24 21:32 |
| schestowitz | People assume powerful PCs | Mar 24 21:32 |
| MinceR | though neither opera nor ff will save to XBEL | Mar 24 21:32 |
| schestowitz | So they run loads of stuff on pages | Mar 24 21:32 |
| MinceR | i've found a nice extension i can save XBEL with under ff3, though | Mar 24 21:32 |
| schestowitz | Even comments now require JS | Mar 24 21:32 |
| trmanco | MinceR, html and what more? | Mar 24 21:32 |
| MinceR | (i can do so under ff2 with another extension and ridiculous hackage) | Mar 24 21:32 |
| MinceR | trmanco: opera hotlist | Mar 24 21:32 |
| MinceR | SiteBar seems to handle opera hotlist better than netscape (html) | Mar 24 21:32 |
| trmanco | that proprietary isn't it? | Mar 24 21:33 |
| schestowitz | Yes | Mar 24 21:33 |
| schestowitz | But nice people | Mar 24 21:33 |
| schestowitz | Linux users | Mar 24 21:33 |
| schestowitz | Many people in Opera use GNU/Linux | Mar 24 21:33 |
| schestowitz | In Mozilla it's Macs | Mar 24 21:33 |
| MinceR | yes, that's why i was reluctant to go back to opera | Mar 24 21:34 |
| MinceR | but in the end i caved in | Mar 24 21:34 |
| MinceR | currently i'm fed up with opera | Mar 24 21:34 |
| MinceR | i've heard ff3 is a lot better | Mar 24 21:34 |
| trmanco | MinceR, FF 3 is getting old | Mar 24 21:35 |
| MinceR | who knows, maybe someone will eventually code a browser that doesn't suck | Mar 24 21:35 |
| trmanco | it's to much to fit everthing into a single browser | Mar 24 21:35 |
| MinceR | for the time being, i'm moving some functionality out of the browser into webapps i'm hosting | Mar 24 21:35 |
| MinceR | i've moved my opera searches into a Web Command Line i wrote in javascript | Mar 24 21:35 |
| trmanco | speed, extensibility, accessibility,standards compliance,etc | Mar 24 21:35 |
| MinceR | i've moved my bookmarks into SiteBar | Mar 24 21:35 |
| trmanco | oh great | Mar 24 21:36 |
| trmanco | msn i is crapping out again | Mar 24 21:36 |
| trmanco | im* | Mar 24 21:36 |
| trmanco | Unable to retrieve MSN Address Book | Mar 24 21:36 |
| trmanco | pff | Mar 24 21:36 |
| MinceR | wow, what a surprise :> | Mar 24 21:36 |
| trmanco | back online | Mar 24 21:37 |
| trmanco | maybe a reboot caused by conficker | Mar 24 21:37 |
| MinceR | people using closed IM systems should move to jabber | Mar 24 21:37 |
| trmanco | I use XMPP | Mar 24 21:37 |
| trmanco | but a lot of my friend and family use that bloated proprietary shit | Mar 24 21:37 |
| trmanco | friends* | Mar 24 21:38 |
| MinceR | they are the ones who should move | Mar 24 21:38 |
| MinceR | what's that "e editor" guy talking about? his company doesn't even produce FLOSS | Mar 24 21:40 |
| MinceR | and he confuses free software with open source software | Mar 24 21:40 |
| schestowitz | Good fit: http://uk.gamespy.com/ar... | Mar 24 21:42 |
| schestowitz | trmanco: maybe a reboot due to infection | Mar 24 21:43 |
| schestowitz | It did happen before | Mar 24 21:43 |
| schestowitz | [MS datacentres becoming botnets] | Mar 24 21:43 |
| schestowitz | Wait another 22 hours, like with Azure | Mar 24 21:44 |
| trmanco | maybe a BSoD and my connection just jumped to a different semi infected server | Mar 24 21:44 |
| schestowitz | It takes a while to reinstall Winders with all the drivers and stuff.... heaps of patches | Mar 24 21:44 |
| *schestowitz pictures an army of box-booters being called in to bring Azure back. "clean up ze registries! Schnell schnell!!" | Mar 24 21:45 | |
| trmanco | it will take a hole afternoon and a couple of reboots to completely install windows with updates | Mar 24 21:45 |
| MinceR | lol | Mar 24 21:47 |
| MinceR | they don't have system images backed up? :) | Mar 24 21:51 |
| schestowitz | /Clean/ backup? | Mar 24 21:53 |
| schestowitz | No MS news recently. The company seemingly hibernated, except in the court room and such... (TomTom) | Mar 24 21:54 |
| schestowitz | Office is the next OpenServer? | Mar 24 21:58 |
| schestowitz | IDG misspelled my name: http://blogs.computerworld.com/... | Mar 24 21:59 |
| trmanco | schestowitz, nothing misspelled, I think | Mar 24 22:05 |
| schestowitz | The second time | Mar 24 22:05 |
| MinceR | the "e editor" guy has really strange views... "The whole point is to reach the balance where both the freedoms of the users and of the developers are equally respected." | Mar 24 22:05 |
| trmanco | ah crap | Mar 24 22:05 |
| schestowitz | sjvn quotes doug by kistake | Mar 24 22:05 |
| trmanco | schestowitz, I see it now | Mar 24 22:05 |
| trmanco | he switched the i with the t | Mar 24 22:06 |
| schestowitz | i sent him a copy of the msg to sjvn. he mistakenly quoted doug as though it was me: :-o I wouldn't say "infect" :-| | Mar 24 22:06 |
| trmanco | Twitter is over capacity. | Mar 24 22:08 |
| trmanco | :| | Mar 24 22:08 |
| trmanco | I ca't even search for no one on Twitter, meh | Mar 24 22:08 |
| trmanco | better use Google instead | Mar 24 22:08 |
| trmanco | found him already | Mar 24 22:08 |
| schestowitz | trmanco: yes, spotted that too | Mar 24 22:10 |
| schestowitz | Big whale took over the server | Mar 24 22:10 |
| schestowitz | Leviathan | Mar 24 22:10 |
| schestowitz | Can't recall the reference to a SUN server, IIRC | Mar 24 22:10 |
| MinceR | Fail Whale | Mar 24 22:11 |
| schestowitz | Sperm whale. Seeding torrents... | Mar 24 22:11 |
| schestowitz | We should really mesh/torrify more of the Web using strong encryption. It would increase capacity for high-res Web video. | Mar 24 22:12 |
| trmanco | http://twitter.com/trmanco/s... | Mar 24 22:15 |
| trmanco | just tweeted | Mar 24 22:15 |
| schestowitz | Fake 'open source'? http://www.eetimes.com/news/latest... | Mar 24 22:15 |
| schestowitz | Do you post to both simultaneously? | Mar 24 22:15 |
| schestowitz | twitter+identica? | Mar 24 22:15 |
| trmanco | sometimes | Mar 24 22:16 |
| schestowitz | Worth it? | Mar 24 22:19 |
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| d-snp | lol it actually exists :P | Mar 24 22:21 |
| trmanco | yes, from time to time | Mar 24 22:21 |
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| schestowitz | I watch Novell closely and heard nothing about Moon Lie 2.0 alpha. Anybody knows...? | Mar 24 22:26 |
| schestowitz | Some guy asked me | Mar 24 22:26 |
| schestowitz | 2.0 will have .NET infection that runs deep | Mar 24 22:26 |
| schestowitz | Hehe. http://blogs.gnome.org/dcbw/2009/0... That’s when I reach for my revolver… (nice wriitng style there) | Mar 24 22:28 |
| trmanco | I've heard of previews | Mar 24 22:47 |
| trmanco | ah crap, that's mono, not moon lie | Mar 24 22:48 |
| schestowitz | Same lie, different word length | Mar 24 22:50 |
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| schestowitz | Satyam Hopes to Finalize Bidder by April 30 http://www.pcworld.com/article/161885/sa... | Mar 24 23:07 |
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| wtfyan | schestowitz, "Sun does not support Solaris??? ...Nor GNU/Linux" what was that about? | Mar 24 23:39 |
| schestowitz | JavaFX | Mar 24 23:40 |
| schestowitz | Did you see the article? | Mar 24 23:40 |
| wtfyan | nope :) | Mar 24 23:40 |
| schestowitz | But it's not really new to, except the Solaris part | Mar 24 23:40 |
| schestowitz | http://www.pcworld.com/article/1618... | Mar 24 23:40 |
| schestowitz | See bottom | Mar 24 23:40 |
| wtfyan | i can't imagine how solaris can stop supporting solaris | Mar 24 23:40 |
| wtfyan | it's just insane | Mar 24 23:40 |
| schestowitz | There's another odd one... | Mar 24 23:41 |
| schestowitz | http://www.australianit.news.com.... | Mar 24 23:41 |
| schestowitz | Found some minutes ago | Mar 24 23:41 |
| schestowitz | Seems like Sun deploys 64-bit GNU/Linux | Mar 24 23:41 |
| wtfyan | "JavaFX currently supports only Windows and Mac. Sun says Linux and Solaris support will surface this year" | Mar 24 23:43 |
| wtfyan | hm... it's actually not strange at all | Mar 24 23:44 |
| MinceR | well, if ibm buys them, they might beat some sense into what's left of sun | Mar 24 23:44 |
| wtfyan | they want plenty of devs to learn javafx firstly | Mar 24 23:44 |
| wtfyan | oh come on, is ibm going to buy sun? | Mar 24 23:45 |
| MinceR | afaik yes | Mar 24 23:45 |
| balzac | what is the URL on Sun not supporting Solaris? | Mar 24 23:46 |
| wtfyan | they left 20% of employees behind but i can't imagine that they are selling themselves towards ibm | Mar 24 23:46 |
| wtfyan | balzac, http://www.pcworld.com/article/161873/sun... | Mar 24 23:46 |
| MinceR | balzac: http://www.pcworld.com/article/161873/... | Mar 24 23:46 |
| wtfyan | read the end | Mar 24 23:46 |
| balzac | ~thanks | Mar 24 23:46 |
| wtfyan | i'm not too familiar with what solaris is, live booted it once long long ago, is it gnu/linux based? | Mar 24 23:48 |
| MinceR | nope | Mar 24 23:49 |
| MinceR | it's proprietary unix | Mar 24 23:49 |
| MinceR | also known as Slowlaris or Slowaris :) | Mar 24 23:49 |
| wtfyan | that's where the problem of sun lies | Mar 24 23:49 |
| schestowitz | balzac: there are many such URLs | Mar 24 23:50 |
| schestowitz | Other examples also | Mar 24 23:50 |
| wtfyan | how the f they thought there will be plenty of devs for it if they just don't want it to be popular | Mar 24 23:50 |
| wtfyan | i don't get this "sun"... :) | Mar 24 23:50 |
| MinceR | they should realize they've lost and give up on that dinosaur | Mar 24 23:51 |
| wtfyan | for sure | Mar 24 23:51 |
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| wtfyan | i saw it 2 times and it wasn't awesome at all. kinda minimalistic and nothing else | Mar 24 23:54 |
| schestowitz | it used to be good | Mar 24 23:54 |
| schestowitz | It's like OS9 now. | Mar 24 23:54 |
| schestowitz | Looking Glass seems passe | Mar 24 23:54 |
| MinceR | os9 was never good | Mar 24 23:54 |
| MinceR | they couldn't even get multitasking right on their own | Mar 24 23:55 |
| *wtfyan never used mac neither hackintosh | Mar 24 23:55 | |
| MinceR | i've tried it in some emulator | Mar 24 23:55 |
| wtfyan | user | Mar 24 23:56 |
| wtfyan | wtf... i tried to search | Mar 24 23:56 |