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| DaemonFC` | uggh | May 01 00:02 |
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| DaemonFC | as I was about to say | May 01 00:02 |
| DaemonFC | the SP2 update is about 92 megs if you already have all the hostfixes that came after SP1 | May 01 00:03 |
| DaemonFC | but 750 megs if you get the standalone installer | May 01 00:03 |
| DaemonFC | because that can't know what you have | May 01 00:03 |
| DaemonFC | *hotfixes | May 01 00:03 |
| DaemonFC | and unfortunately SP1 has a tick that freezes my system whenever it feels like it | May 01 00:04 |
| DaemonFC | and SP2 doesn't do that | May 01 00:04 |
| DaemonFC | :P | May 01 00:04 |
| DaemonFC | I really have no idea why it's doing that | May 01 00:04 |
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| schestowitz | Look at the code :-p | May 01 00:17 |
| schestowitz | Go to bugzilla.NET | May 01 00:17 |
| Balrog | DaemonFC: Apple's latest update will be like 600 MB | May 01 00:25 |
| Balrog | schestowitz: Hospitals affected by Conficker | May 01 00:25 |
| Balrog | <http://it.slashdot.org/article.pl... | May 01 00:26 |
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| schestowitz | is harish pillay with red hat? | May 01 00:29 |
| schestowitz | Balrog: what again? | May 01 00:29 |
| schestowitz | :-) | May 01 00:29 |
| schestowitz | I have like 5 incidents already | May 01 00:29 |
| schestowitz | Oh, I got ths one already | May 01 00:30 |
| schestowitz | 2-3 days ago | May 01 00:30 |
| Balrog | pOK. | May 01 00:37 |
| Balrog | OK * | May 01 00:37 |
| Balrog | this is getting out of hand | May 01 00:37 |
| Balrog | :( | May 01 00:37 |
| schestowitz | The virus? | May 01 00:41 |
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| schestowitz | Or BN? :-) | May 01 00:41 |
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| schestowitz | Well, Microsoft too is getting out of (its own) hand. | May 01 00:42 |
| Balrog | no, Microsoft, and the virus | May 01 00:47 |
| Balrog | Apple filed for a non-software patent: <http://www.macrumors.com/2009/04/30/apple-...> | May 01 00:48 |
| schestowitz | Is that something to be proud of? | May 01 00:49 |
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| schestowitz | Microsoft turns software to politics: http://boycottnovell.com/2009/04/... | May 01 01:04 |
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| schestowitz | gn | May 01 01:48 |
| DaemonFC | hmmm | May 01 01:50 |
| DaemonFC | you can jsut sign up for a new 2 week XM trial when your old one expires | May 01 01:50 |
| DaemonFC | lol | May 01 01:50 |
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| I read this article, http://www.junauza.com/2009/04/ubuntu-n... but don't seem to be able to duplicate the result. | May 01 06:42 | |
| http://www.google.com/trends?q=ubuntu%... | May 01 06:42 | |
| I see what happened. they used "windows vista" instead of "vista" as a search term. | May 01 06:48 | |
| http://www.google.com/trends?q=ubuntu%2... | May 01 06:48 | |
| shows a more complete picture. | May 01 06:48 | |
| overall interest in Windows has declined greatly but it's a generic term | May 01 06:49 | |
| you can compare another generic term, "apple" to all of this http://www.google.com/trends?q=ubunt... | May 01 06:50 | |
| it is interesting that a word like ubuntu could compete with something like "apple" which is also a fruit and a music label. | May 01 06:51 | |
| bigger than Jesus | May 01 06:51 | |
| hmmm | May 01 06:51 | |
| http://www.google.com/trends?q=ub... | May 01 06:52 | |
| jesus is not doing so well | May 01 06:52 | |
| http://www.google.com/trends?q=u... | May 01 06:53 | |
| there, that's better | May 01 06:53 | |
| GNU/Linux is almost as big as God/Church http://www.google.com/trends?q=... | May 01 06:54 | |
| still, nothing can compare to the massive M$ spam machine. | May 01 06:55 | |
| no one loves OSX | May 01 06:56 | |
| http://www.google.com/trends... | May 01 06:56 | |
| hmmm, even a combination of common fears and morbidity is unable to dethrone Windows, http://www.google.com/trends?q=u... | May 01 07:00 | |
| it is truly amazing that more people search for "windows" than war, murder, shark, kill, torture, flu and terror combined. | May 01 07:01 | |
| ah, Windows meets it's match with "sex" http://www.google.com/trends?q=... | May 01 07:02 | |
| awesome porn is right up there with the other spam http://www.google.com/trends?q=ub... | May 01 07:03 | |
| Conclusion: the popularity of "Windows" must be due to spam. | May 01 07:04 | |
| Topics such as "terror" which have been thrust into the public imagination non stop by a full press in all media is unable to hold a candle to it. | May 01 07:05 | |
| Google is obviously the target of tremendous spam. | May 01 07:06 | |
| I find it difficult to believe that more people would actually search for Windows than religion or porn, even for a sort time. | May 01 07:06 | |
| finally, when you look at the most generic terms possible, you get this http://www.google.com/trends?q=u... | May 01 07:14 | |
| schestowitz | Hey | May 01 07:15 |
| schestowitz | twitter: yes, I hate Google Trends | May 01 07:16 |
| schestowitz | People misuse it a lot | May 01 07:16 |
| not even puppies or kittens can compete with windows http://www.google.com/trends?q=win... | May 01 07:17 | |
| it is interesting that cars almost can and you can see the news coverage is much much greater for cars | May 01 07:18 | |
| girls do almost as well as cars | May 01 07:18 | |
| boys don't | May 01 07:19 | |
| Earth has very interesting interest patterns | May 01 07:19 | |
| almost as popular as girls | May 01 07:20 | |
| school is about as popular as windows, but can't touch sex | May 01 07:21 | |
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| So, good morning to you, Roy. | May 01 07:22 | |
| it's what, 8AM for you? | May 01 07:22 | |
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| it's just about midnight here and I have to sleep soon. | May 01 07:22 | |
| mib_h1o3zz | Roy, | May 01 07:23 |
| mib_h1o3zz | Problems with IE8 deciding that it should be the default browser in install: | May 01 07:23 |
| mib_h1o3zz | http://www.pcworld.com/article/164127... | May 01 07:23 |
| red is more popular than hot. | May 01 07:24 | |
| mib_h1o3zz | Some people are having problems getting it to give up, and lie down dead. One guy says it tries to take over every time he reboots. | May 01 07:24 |
| hmmm, why would you install IE8? Thanks for the article. | May 01 07:24 | |
| It's more of the same from M$. | May 01 07:24 | |
| mib_h1o3zz | I wouldn't, but some poor bastard did. BTW, this is The Mad Hatter, I'm using someone else's computer. | May 01 07:25 |
| mib_h1o3zz | Still the comments with the story are pretty damned funny. Also pretty damned sad. | May 01 07:26 |
| indeed | May 01 07:28 | |
| schestowitz | I see.. | May 01 07:28 |
| schestowitz | tessier: yes, just work up | May 01 07:29 |
| you missed the google trend fun. Windows is bigger than god. bigger than cars, terror, flue, sharks. bigger than everything but sex. | May 01 07:30 | |
| mib_h1o3zz | Also check out "RIAA’s Hostile Takeover of the Internet" | May 01 07:30 |
| mib_h1o3zz | http://torrentfreak.com/riaas-... | May 01 07:30 |
| ongoing, but I'll see what they are up to now. | May 01 07:31 | |
| more of the same | May 01 07:33 | |
| basic censorship and tear down of the internet | May 01 07:34 | |
| the only difference is the success they are having. | May 01 07:34 | |
| they also aim to stamp out software freedom | May 01 07:34 | |
| mib_h1o3zz | Yep. And they need to be stopped. | May 01 07:35 |
| traditional media must die and die faster than it already is. | May 01 07:35 | |
| ignore traditional media | May 01 07:36 | |
| it's worthless anyway. | May 01 07:36 | |
| don't pay for cable TV | May 01 07:36 | |
| don't buy newspapers | May 01 07:36 | |
| don't even watch TV unless you record the shows yourself | May 01 07:36 | |
| as people abandon traditional media, advertisers abandon it | May 01 07:37 | |
| schestowitz | Agreed, tessier | May 01 07:46 |
| schestowitz | May 01 07:46 | |
| schestowitz | Newham (UK) Powered by Microsoft, for Microsoft: http://boycottnovell.com/2009/... | May 01 07:46 |
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| oiaohm | http://www.microsoft-watch.com/c... << Linux Watch is still alive. | May 01 08:11 |
| schestowitz | :--DDDDDD | May 01 08:16 |
| schestowitz | Linux Watch is low volume postings | May 01 08:19 |
| oiaohm | Most of the time there is nothing to flame about. | May 01 08:19 |
| oiaohm | In Linux watch. | May 01 08:20 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: true | May 01 08:21 |
| schestowitz | No TalkBacks either | May 01 08:21 |
| oiaohm | http://trafficsqueezer.sourceforge.n... Hmm another form of compression being developed for Linux. | May 01 08:23 |
| schestowitz | Cool. | May 01 08:25 |
| oiaohm | Linux watch does have talkbacks. | May 01 08:26 |
| oiaohm | Just in a forum like system. | May 01 08:26 |
| schestowitz | Yes, I know | May 01 08:30 |
| schestowitz | But I'd hardly call it TalkBacks | May 01 08:30 |
| schestowitz | It's also scarcely used. | May 01 08:30 |
| schestowitz | I checked to see how they present MJF's articles in Microsoft Watch | May 01 08:30 |
| schestowitz | There was some hostility when they named her "Staff Writer" after she had left | May 01 08:31 |
| schestowitz | But they fixed it | May 01 08:31 |
| schestowitz | It still has Joe's mug on top of her articles | May 01 08:31 |
| oiaohm | Most of the reason it scarcely used is linux watch is very little reason to hate. | May 01 08:31 |
| oiaohm | When Linux watch author made insults without base the talk back went nuts. | May 01 08:31 |
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| http://www.google.com/search?h... | May 01 08:39 | |
| good riddance | May 01 08:40 | |
| M$ must have cut some of their advertising budget. | May 01 08:40 | |
| he blames the internet. | May 01 08:42 | |
| oiaohm | More like what it the point of funding a forum that is pointing out all of your faults for everyone to see. | May 01 08:42 |
| schestowitz | :-) | May 01 08:42 |
| schestowitz | Well, MSFT's profits are down over 40% | May 01 08:42 |
| schestowitz | He knows Microsoft | May 01 08:42 |
| oiaohm | Yes the responders are to blame. | May 01 08:42 |
| schestowitz | But the worth is these skills drops into oblivion | May 01 08:42 |
| schestowitz | I suppose you saw recent wage surveys | May 01 08:42 |
| his forum was spin. | May 01 08:42 | |
| schestowitz | MCSE down SHARPLY | May 01 08:42 |
| schestowitz | Same for Novell Netware | May 01 08:42 |
| schestowitz | Linux up VERY sharply | May 01 08:42 |
| schestowitz | Like 25% | May 01 08:42 |
| oiaohm | answers to his forum were not twitter | May 01 08:43 |
| the reason to point out your flaws is to conceal them | May 01 08:43 | |
| schestowitz | twitter: his forum attracted covtroversy | May 01 08:43 |
| schestowitz | BN was linked in his forums many times | May 01 08:43 |
| oiaohm | Not really twitter. | May 01 08:43 |
| Bruce Byfield mentioned BN a few times as well | May 01 08:43 | |
| anything that mentions M$ in less than a positive light "attracts controversy" | May 01 08:44 | |
| M$'s PR army comes storming in with all of their abuse. | May 01 08:44 | |
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| BN is one of the few sites that does not censor itself. | May 01 08:45 | |
| eWeek and most other "traditional" news sources are significantly tainted with advertising and other pressure. | May 01 08:47 | |
| Answers to Wilcox's spin may have been useful and interesting, but it's nice to see the bully pulpit go. | May 01 08:48 | |
| It will be nice, one day, to read news without so much M$ control. W32 viruses will be described as Windows problems, not "computer problems" for example. | May 01 08:49 | |
| People who write about free software will be actual free software users. | May 01 08:50 | |
| schestowitz | Microsoft: Red Hat Should be Happy to Take Microsoft Patents < http://boycottnovell.com/2009/05... > | May 01 08:51 |
| was looking, twitter needs sleep | May 01 08:54 | |
| gn | May 01 08:54 | |
| schestowitz | BN acts a bit dogy this morning | May 01 08:54 |
| schestowitz | *dodgy | May 01 08:54 |
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| schestowitz | "Server Load 5.15 (4 cpus)" | May 01 09:03 |
| schestowitz | The site is very unreliable this morning :-( | May 01 09:03 |
| schestowitz | Memory used 73%. Maybe there's a leak | May 01 09:04 |
| schestowitz | http://www.itwire.com/content... Bad news for cellphone vendors: sales in record decline | May 01 09:08 |
| schestowitz | Troll: Can Twitter survive? http://www.itwire.com/cont... | May 01 09:09 |
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| schestowitz | Gordon Brown says the "D" word (depression): http://www.youtube.com/wa... | May 01 09:20 |
| schestowitz | Iceland vs Mr. Brown: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v... | May 01 09:23 |
| _boo_ | may be it cached everything on the site :) so memory is full | May 01 09:23 |
| schestowitz | Nope, it's usually OK | May 01 09:25 |
| schestowitz | We'll see what happens | May 01 09:25 |
| oiaohm | Does that explain why cell phone vendors are looking at netbooks. | May 01 09:25 |
| schestowitz | Iceland borrows from Russia now ... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ajw1... | May 01 09:27 |
| schestowitz | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9p... | May 01 09:31 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.webpronews.com/topnews/2009/... Newspaper Association Going Online Only | May 01 10:25 |
| schestowitz | http://www.webpronews.com/top... "...f The Pirate Bay changed its name to PleaseDontDownloadCopyrightedMovies.com and continued to operate it would be okay?" | May 01 10:28 |
| schestowitz | Newspapers Best Opportunity Is Online http://www.webpronews.com/topnews/20... | May 01 10:29 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft Watch is likely dead now: http://boycottnovell.com/2009/0... | May 01 10:39 |
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| schestowitz | Apple color patents http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009... Apple moves to patent mobile color | May 01 10:47 |
| schestowitz | US torture points to Rice (2002): Rice gave early approval for CIA waterboarding, Senate report reveals < http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009... > | May 01 10:49 |
| schestowitz | Analysis of CIA Torture Memo < http://www.fff.org/comment/c... >. If human liberties are suppressed, they rarely return. | May 01 10:51 |
| schestowitz | Spain's judge Garzón wants Bush investigated now. | May 01 10:53 |
| trmanco | Twitter confirms security breach : http://www.h-online.com/security... | May 01 10:53 |
| schestowitz | Heh. | May 01 10:54 |
| schestowitz | Cars are getting "kill switches", just like Windows. Pay up or your car engine will stop < http://edition.cnn.com/2009/LIVING/wayo... > | May 01 10:55 |
| schestowitz | More corruption in the government has lobbyists to blame: Lawmaker Is Said to Have Agreed to Aid Lobbyists < http://www.nytimes.com/2009/04/21... > | May 01 10:55 |
| trmanco | http://marketshare.hitslink.com/opera... | May 01 10:57 |
| trmanco | the Ubuntu effect? | May 01 10:57 |
| trmanco | Linux Breaks 1% on the Client | May 01 10:57 |
| trmanco | this doesn't represent all the linux share, but it does represent that linux is growing | May 01 10:58 |
| schestowitz | New book worth attention: "The Myth of the Free Market" < http://www.kpbooks.com/books/Boo... > | May 01 10:59 |
| schestowitz | trmanco: don't feed it though | May 01 10:59 |
| trmanco | don't worry I won't | May 01 10:59 |
| schestowitz | BN in the past 6 hours: | May 01 11:00 |
| schestowitz | Linux1825654.4 % | May 01 11:00 |
| schestowitz | Windows1118733.3 % | May 01 11:00 |
| trmanco | I was just saying that even thought it isn't accurate it does tell us something | May 01 11:00 |
| schestowitz | Maybe MS should pay Net Applications some more | May 01 11:01 |
| schestowitz | y'know, get some more 'consulting' contracts | May 01 11:01 |
| schestowitz | Then lend them some more 'data' for the survey, whose data is kept secret. Add live.com, hotmail.com, US Librrary of Congress (Silver Lie) | May 01 11:02 |
| trmanco | yeah, maybe | May 01 11:03 |
| schestowitz | Third case of police attack in G20 is found. "Third allegation of police brutality at G20 investigated" < http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/c... > | May 01 11:03 |
| trmanco | but it doesn't have the budget for it right now | May 01 11:03 |
| schestowitz | Bolivia: water people of Andes face extinction <http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/apr... > | May 01 11:03 |
| schestowitz | Global warming killing people, but indirectly for the most part | May 01 11:04 |
| schestowitz | RMS says: "The US should start nationalizing banks rather than just giving them cash." (context: GM http://www.guardian.co.uk/business... ) | May 01 11:05 |
| schestowitz | Anyone can be jailed when evidence is planted by crime investigators. Omaha CSI Director Accused of Planting Evidence < http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory?id=7413793 > | May 01 11:06 |
| schestowitz | *LOL* Creativity pays off when attempting to send a message to the press: Climate protesters glue themselves around Parliament statue < http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/... > | May 01 11:08 |
| schestowitz | The Economist... on the.. economy < http://www.economist.com/printeditio... > "A glimmer of hope?" | May 01 11:09 |
| trmanco | Mandriva 2009 Spring Kicks Vista7 back to /dev/null: http://izanbardprince.wordpress.com/2... | May 01 11:09 |
| trmanco | hehe, nice title | May 01 11:10 |
| schestowitz | Rice worked for Chevron (think oil) before politics. She has a massive oil tanker named after her. | May 01 11:11 |
| schestowitz | trmanco: yes, that's what *I* said. | May 01 11:12 |
| schestowitz | Vista7 Kicks Mandriva 2009 Spring back to /~progra~1 and c:\>deltree | May 01 11:13 |
| schestowitz | Foe those who can't wait for Vista7, there is already something better. | May 01 11:14 |
| schestowitz | Does Windows still put temp files in c:\windows/temp or does it have user profiles for each (some opaque and long path)? | May 01 11:15 |
| schestowitz | Fashion Designers Hope That Michelle Obama Gets Them Copyright On Clothing Design < http://techdirt.com/articles/200... >. I'm growing tired of the Obamas. | May 01 11:17 |
| trmanco | http://www.e-financas.gov.pt | May 01 11:17 |
| trmanco | oops | May 01 11:18 |
| trmanco | wrong window | May 01 11:18 |
| schestowitz | I think that at the end of this year I'll try kde 4.2.2 on Mandriva 2009 Spring. I hear it's good. Marti has just tried it too; Rasker too. | May 01 11:19 |
| trmanco | yeah, I've read that | May 01 11:20 |
| schestowitz | http://techdirt.com/article... (Newspaper Association Kills Off Print Magazine -- Goes Online Only) | May 01 11:23 |
| schestowitz | How's OpenMania doing? Google helps the marginalization of 'big papers' -- not offering them favouritism | May 01 11:24 |
| schestowitz | Big paper complained to Google. They think they deserve to be elevated based on the merit of... well, being /formerly/ big | May 01 11:24 |
| schestowitz | The matter of fact is that largely cited receive precedence, not the publication's name | May 01 11:25 |
| schestowitz | *LOL* "7. Control Panel Is a Mess. Look at this crap. No really, just look at it." http://gizmodo.com/5150284/7-th... | May 01 11:29 |
| _boo_ | trmanco, why do you say that it's only 1% that linux breaks on the client? | May 01 11:30 |
| trmanco | I didn't say that | May 01 11:30 |
| schestowitz | Oops. Typo in this image: http://boycottnovell.com/wp-co... | May 01 11:30 |
| schestowitz | trmanco, _boo_ 1% of WHAT? | May 01 11:31 |
| _boo_ | <trmanco> Linux Breaks 1% on the Client | May 01 11:31 |
| trmanco | _boo_, that was the title | May 01 11:31 |
| _boo_ | of os share | May 01 11:31 |
| trmanco | check the link | May 01 11:31 |
| _boo_ | aa | May 01 11:31 |
| schestowitz | What is measured? Where is it gauged? Who pays the bill for this? (hint: Apple and Microsoft) | May 01 11:31 |
| trmanco | :-P | May 01 11:31 |
| _boo_ | may be it's only sales | May 01 11:31 |
| _boo_ | http://www.w3schools.com/brow... | May 01 11:32 |
| schestowitz | Don't tell Microsoft about this (they might bribe them): AMTRON delivers 28,000 Ubuntu-based PCs to students in Assam < http://www.linuxreaders.com/2009/04/27... > | May 01 11:32 |
| schestowitz | flamefest: http://afreshcup.com/2009/04/2... | May 01 11:37 |
| _boo_ | strange... at some months ff share jumps by +1%, some months only 0.1% | May 01 11:37 |
| _boo_ | lol http://www.surveyware.com/report.aspx?qpri... | May 01 11:40 |
| oiaohm | Not really. | May 01 11:47 |
| oiaohm | Look at when firefox releases are _boo_ | May 01 11:48 |
| oiaohm | Its advertising linked. | May 01 11:48 |
| _boo_ | it should be advertised better | May 01 11:49 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft is teaching kids in Spain how to smoke Windows? http://www.linuxpromagazine.com/online... | May 01 11:49 |
| _boo_ | so it gets much better share | May 01 11:49 |
| _boo_ | spain is wasted | May 01 11:50 |
| oiaohm | "Then there was the man who drowned crossing a stream with an average depth of six inches." << I like this one. I should put it on a test with a question how deep is the stream. | May 01 11:50 |
| _boo_ | lol, average depth | May 01 11:51 |
| _boo_ | it means nothing at all | May 01 11:51 |
| _boo_ | same as average salary over the town/country | May 01 11:51 |
| oiaohm | I can bet some will answer 6 inches | May 01 11:52 |
| oiaohm | Then dispute when they are marked wrong. | May 01 11:52 |
| _boo_ | like there's a hole of 1x1 meter wide | May 01 11:52 |
| _boo_ | and 10 meters in depth | May 01 11:52 |
| _boo_ | and all the other area is 1inch in depth | May 01 11:53 |
| _boo_ | and he just forgot to inhale | May 01 11:53 |
| oiaohm | No he made the mistake of breathing in under water. | May 01 11:53 |
| _boo_ | while talking to a floating hedgehog | May 01 11:53 |
| _boo_ | that's what hedgehog told him to do | May 01 11:55 |
| oiaohm | MS is slowly teaching everyone that there software is worth nothing. | May 01 11:57 |
| oiaohm | Boy is boycott novell being picked up in lots of places schestowitz | May 01 11:58 |
| oiaohm | At the number of links you are getting your traffic needs might start matching slashdot. | May 01 11:58 |
| schestowitz | One of the first comparative benchmarks of btrfs: http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=a... what will Oracle do w/ zfs? | May 01 12:00 |
| schestowitz | We has 11000 pageviews in 0-5am today | May 01 12:00 |
| schestowitz | But not many comments | May 01 12:00 |
| oiaohm | That is about right. | May 01 12:01 |
| schestowitz | Vast majority of people use /feed/ | May 01 12:01 |
| schestowitz | Which is full feed with text, images grabbed over http from clients | May 01 12:01 |
| oiaohm | over 99.9 percent of people who visit sties will not comment. | May 01 12:01 |
| schestowitz | Something like that | May 01 12:01 |
| oiaohm | Once you have the mass market. | May 01 12:02 |
| schestowitz | One in 100-1000 depending on how inflammatory the site is (or wrong) | May 01 12:02 |
| schestowitz | Let's try a post titled "Linux has failed on the desktop" | May 01 12:02 |
| schestowitz | Or "I'm quiting this site" | May 01 12:02 |
| oiaohm | That is how to get roasted. | May 01 12:02 |
| oiaohm | quiting brings out a lot more. | May 01 12:02 |
| schestowitz | See TechCrunch | May 01 12:02 |
| schestowitz | Like a million readers, no many comments. | May 01 12:03 |
| oiaohm | Or Linux watch. | May 01 12:03 |
| oiaohm | More correct the documents less comments. | May 01 12:03 |
| schestowitz | http://www.techcrunch.com/ | May 01 12:03 |
| schestowitz | 9 Comments... 28 Comments... | May 01 12:04 |
| oiaohm | Human nature pick on the mistake disgard the person doing good. | May 01 12:04 |
| oiaohm | News is a great example of this. | May 01 12:04 |
| schestowitz | Netcraft rank of Techncrunch: 1200th | May 01 12:04 |
| oiaohm | How much news is good news. | May 01 12:04 |
| schestowitz | Groklaw is about 1500th | May 01 12:04 |
| schestowitz | BN is 2000th | May 01 12:04 |
| oiaohm | Hmm where was microsoft watch. | May 01 12:04 |
| schestowitz | Let's check. | May 01 12:05 |
| schestowitz | 21500th | May 01 12:05 |
| schestowitz | Front page is PR6 | May 01 12:05 |
| schestowitz | Was PR7 when Mary Jo Foley left, IIRC | May 01 12:05 |
| schestowitz | He just attracts the Linux folks who comment because he's promoting the MS line | May 01 12:06 |
| schestowitz | He has Microsoft fans reading him too, qietly. | May 01 12:06 |
| oiaohm | You will notice that Linux supporting and valid news has been moving up. | May 01 12:07 |
| oiaohm | Shills are losing market. Lie is only effective if you are not being proven wrong. | May 01 12:07 |
| schestowitz | You mean, Trust | May 01 12:09 |
| schestowitz | Groklaw became huge because of that | May 01 12:09 |
| schestowitz | Last month top page: /feed/115737 views | May 01 12:10 |
| schestowitz | /feed/atom/14143 | May 01 12:10 |
| schestowitz | /feed/rss/3018 | May 01 12:10 |
| oiaohm | Exactly shills work while they are trusted. | May 01 12:10 |
| schestowitz | /comments/feed/1260 | May 01 12:10 |
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| oiaohm | Once shills are being questioned too much there power vaporises with there trust. | May 01 12:11 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: look at the Gralla shills | May 01 12:11 |
| schestowitz | The idea is to establish trust with a post and then whip | May 01 12:11 |
| schestowitz | Lots in IDG is like that | May 01 12:11 |
| schestowitz | Bad cop, good cops tactics | May 01 12:11 |
| schestowitz | One writer says "Linux is dead" | May 01 12:11 |
| schestowitz | Then comes writer #2 to say "Linux is not dead" | May 01 12:12 |
| oiaohm | Its a death spiral. | May 01 12:12 |
| schestowitz | So both camps are 'happy' | May 01 12:12 |
| schestowitz | And traffic balloons | May 01 12:12 |
| oiaohm | Just IDG has not worked it out yet. | May 01 12:12 |
| schestowitz | Another option is to have writer #1 say "I was wrong" | May 01 12:12 |
| schestowitz | Dvorak explained this | May 01 12:12 |
| schestowitz | Let me find the video | May 01 12:12 |
| oiaohm | It works to a point schestowitz | May 01 12:12 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: no IDG fires massively too | May 01 12:12 |
| schestowitz | Some FOSS writers had to go first | May 01 12:12 |
| schestowitz | They mailed me | May 01 12:13 |
| oiaohm | While there are facts to back one side it works. | May 01 12:13 |
| oiaohm | Opps both sides. | May 01 12:13 |
| schestowitz | John C. Dvorak's Trolling Techniques < http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=... > | May 01 12:13 |
| schestowitz | Watch it. | May 01 12:13 |
| oiaohm | Once it becomes one side. | May 01 12:13 |
| schestowitz | Then tell me what you think | May 01 12:13 |
| oiaohm | As it happening to MS now. | May 01 12:13 |
| oiaohm | Shill find themselves against a wall. | May 01 12:13 |
| oiaohm | Name 1 good feature of windows 7 schestowitz. | May 01 12:14 |
| oiaohm | Basically Tolling requires at least something. | May 01 12:14 |
| schestowitz | Gutter Press 101 | May 01 12:15 |
| oiaohm | Gutter Press only works for so long. | May 01 12:15 |
| schestowitz | I don't know Vista7 | May 01 12:15 |
| schestowitz | I know it has nice wallpapers | May 01 12:15 |
| schestowitz | The rest looks like Vista to me | May 01 12:15 |
| oiaohm | Shills have not been able to find any. | May 01 12:15 |
| oiaohm | They have gone as far as to complain about it. | May 01 12:15 |
| schestowitz | You can see it in Enderle E-mails | May 01 12:15 |
| schestowitz | Did you watch JohnD? | May 01 12:16 |
| schestowitz | I worry he's experimenting with Linux just for traffic | May 01 12:16 |
| schestowitz | He mailed me back saying he'd write more about Linux | May 01 12:16 |
| schestowitz | I bet he'll do his usual routine, so be ready | May 01 12:16 |
| oiaohm | I have watched JohnD Trolling before. | May 01 12:16 |
| schestowitz | He was never a fan of GNU/Linux | May 01 12:16 |
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| schestowitz | oiaohm: yes, but watch him admit ti | May 01 12:16 |
| schestowitz | *it | May 01 12:16 |
| schestowitz | He exposed himself, which makes this video valuable | May 01 12:17 |
| schestowitz | So next time (and I predict he'll troll Linux), redirect people to this video | May 01 12:17 |
| schestowitz | Where he talks about faking deficiency | May 01 12:17 |
| schestowitz | Be ready for one of | May 01 12:17 |
| schestowitz | 1) too many Linuxes | May 01 12:17 |
| schestowitz | 2) doesn't work with my hardware (they'll find some archaic gadget) | May 01 12:18 |
| schestowitz | 3) my ISP didn't offer help | May 01 12:18 |
| schestowitz | 4) my college doesn't support Linux | May 01 12:18 |
| schestowitz | Etc etc. | May 01 12:18 |
| schestowitz | What OS will this run, I wonder.. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/te... | May 01 12:19 |
| oiaohm | Problem here to works as long as your trust does not end up destoryed by it. | May 01 12:19 |
| oiaohm | Each one of those troll slowly does damage it. | May 01 12:19 |
| oiaohm | What is going on how is people like you schestowitz are constant same with groklaw and other groups. Slowly the traffic is getting sucked away. | May 01 12:21 |
| schestowitz | Now the UK, like the US, realises that zombie-happy software is no good for the country. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/... | May 01 12:21 |
| oiaohm | Effect the baiting people never predicted. | May 01 12:21 |
| schestowitz | Despain | May 01 12:22 |
| schestowitz | Was there baiting in magazines too? | May 01 12:22 |
| schestowitz | Probably not to the same extent | May 01 12:22 |
| schestowitz | The notion of linking hardly existed back then | May 01 12:22 |
| oiaohm | Yes there was schestowitz | May 01 12:22 |
| oiaohm | The baiting idea is nothing new. | May 01 12:23 |
| schestowitz | Readership volume define by # of subscribers | May 01 12:23 |
| oiaohm | It was magazines that started the polar at either end of spec in the one item so they got the most buyers. | May 01 12:24 |
| schestowitz | But could they flip-flop? | May 01 12:24 |
| schestowitz | I mean, could they try to appeal to both spectrums? | May 01 12:25 |
| oiaohm | Flip-flop was the editors colum job. | May 01 12:25 |
