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| There would be more than one Google if the net was not so warped by other monopolies. | May 03 17:18 | |
| bgtr4 | but they don't help in what you're fighting with | May 03 17:18 |
| schestowitz | Yup | May 03 17:19 |
| bgtr4 | if google intetions get clearly unwrapped | May 03 17:19 |
| schestowitz | bgtr4: it's true, Google is a problem, but another type | May 03 17:19 |
| bgtr4 | people won't use google-like anything | May 03 17:19 |
| schestowitz | I am more concerned with CRIMINAL companies | May 03 17:19 |
| schestowitz | Ones that BRIBE and BULLY and DESTORY | May 03 17:19 |
| schestowitz | Google competes its way into success | May 03 17:19 |
| Google's dominance is, in part, a symptom of other ills. | May 03 17:19 | |
| schestowitz | It makes better products for search | May 03 17:19 |
| as is the iPhone | May 03 17:19 | |
| schestowitz | Apple's problem is different too | May 03 17:20 |
| schestowitz | It doesn't force people to buy stuff | May 03 17:20 |
| bgtr4 | don't even mentions iAnything | May 03 17:20 |
| schestowitz | But it DOES lock them in | May 03 17:20 |
| bgtr4 | it's no even worth a mentioning | May 03 17:20 |
| Yes, google and iPhone are good. The more freedom you have the better things are. | May 03 17:20 | |
| schestowitz | It uses the DRM|DMCA duo for lockin | May 03 17:20 |
| schestowitz | They have the right to bundle some hardware though | May 03 17:20 |
| "bundle" is a bad word | May 03 17:21 | |
| schestowitz | It is what it ius | May 03 17:21 |
| schestowitz | Complete 'solution' | May 03 17:21 |
| schestowitz | Less choice | May 03 17:21 |
| schestowitz | Like cars | May 03 17:21 |
| it implies something nice when the reality is anti-competitive behavior | May 03 17:21 | |
| schestowitz | You don't sell a CChevy with other engines | May 03 17:21 |
| schestowitz | twitter: OK | May 03 17:21 |
| "bundle" hides sabotage | May 03 17:22 | |
| schestowitz | I guess it's when you integrate things that don't naturally belong together | May 03 17:22 |
| schestowitz | Like printer+cPC | May 03 17:22 |
| "integration" is similar to "bundle" KDE has excellent integration. | May 03 17:23 | |
| but KDE is free and open to anyone. | May 03 17:23 | |
| schestowitz | [OT] two months uptime now (not bad for a desktop that's always under heavy and diverse use): ââââââ¬(17:23 $)âââ¬> uptime | May 03 17:23 |
| schestowitz | 17:23:03 up 60 days, 2:41, 2 users, load average: 1.23, 0.98, 0.99 | May 03 17:23 |
| schestowitz | I LLLLOve KDE | May 03 17:23 |
| schestowitz | Did you see Carla's words about it | May 03 17:24 |
| Carla who? | May 03 17:24 | |
| schestowitz | Carla Tux :-) | May 03 17:24 |
| schestowitz | She always thinks the same way as me: http://www.linuxtoday.com/news_story... | May 03 17:24 |
| schestowitz | I was going to publish a review of KDE4.1 (for money) | May 03 17:24 |
| schestowitz | I never did | May 03 17:24 |
| schestowitz | Didn't want to risk disliking it | May 03 17:25 |
| schestowitz | Mandriva did well with KDE in 2009.1 | May 03 17:25 |
| bgtr4 | kde4 is not ready in either case | May 03 17:25 |
| schestowitz | I keep reading about it | May 03 17:25 |
| schestowitz | bgtr4: try it in Mand | May 03 17:25 |
| schestowitz | Not in Kubuntu | May 03 17:25 |
| schestowitz | Canonical didn't bake it | May 03 17:25 |
| bgtr4 | mandriva is what i gonna use at work | May 03 17:25 |
| schestowitz | Laziness and neglect IMHO | May 03 17:25 |
| bgtr4 | debian at home | May 03 17:26 |
| schestowitz | bgtr4: Mandriva is big in Russia's govt | May 03 17:26 |
| schestowitz | If my sources are right | May 03 17:26 |
| schestowitz | They have contracts with France | May 03 17:26 |
| bgtr4 | mandriva isn't big in russian's govt | May 03 17:26 |
| schestowitz | ATLinux, IIRC, is Mand/PCLOS-based | May 03 17:26 |
| bgtr4 | linux isn't big in russia at all | May 03 17:26 |
| bgtr4 | only sane people use it | May 03 17:26 |
| schestowitz | bgtr4: it's bigger than in most countries | May 03 17:26 |
| schestowitz | Says Microsoft | May 03 17:26 |
| schestowitz | [secretly] | May 03 17:26 |
| bgtr4 | and russia now is distracted | May 03 17:27 |
| bgtr4 | it's not even sane | May 03 17:27 |
| schestowitz | By what? | May 03 17:27 |
| schestowitz | Russia has good financials compred to the UK and US | May 03 17:27 |
| bgtr4 | by plenty of things | May 03 17:27 |
| schestowitz | Gordon ripped the place apart | May 03 17:27 |
| bgtr4 | i can name you things | May 03 17:27 |
| schestowitz | Borrow,Borrow,Borrow,Borrow,Borrow, | May 03 17:27 |
| bgtr4 | but it's not about linux | May 03 17:27 |
| bgtr4 | so i better do it in private | May 03 17:27 |
| schestowitz | I think the UK is in worse debt (/capita) than the USians | May 03 17:27 |
| bgtr4 | if you want | May 03 17:27 |
| I have to stop reading about KDE 4. It makes me want to try to fix it. | May 03 17:28 | |
| bgtr4 | lol | May 03 17:28 |
| bgtr4 | kde is always about fixing | May 03 17:28 |
| One thing KDE has is easy development | May 03 17:28 | |
| bgtr4 | there's no kde that you can go with | May 03 17:28 |
| excellent GUI development tools and support | May 03 17:29 | |
| bgtr4 | not excellent | May 03 17:29 |
| really? | May 03 17:29 | |
| what's missing? | May 03 17:29 | |
| bgtr4 | did you ever develop with mfc/c++ with plenty of addons installed and vc? | May 03 17:30 |
| schestowitz | kde4 maybe | May 03 17:30 |
| schestowitz | Still revolving/evolving | May 03 17:30 |
| bgtr4 | it's kinda for lazy guys | May 03 17:30 |
| schestowitz | GNOME is doing the same | May 03 17:30 |
| schestowitz | in GNOME 3.0 | May 03 17:30 |
| schestowitz | Wait and watch | May 03 17:30 |
| bgtr4 | May 03 17:30 | |
| schestowitz | They step up as a developers' foundation | May 03 17:30 |
| no, I avoided MFC and stuck with 95 API before getting the hell out of Windows. | May 03 17:30 | |
| bgtr4 | mkay | May 03 17:30 |
| MFC was buggy shit. | May 03 17:30 | |
| bgtr4 | that was too easy to develop with | May 03 17:31 |
| bgtr4 | but it costs money | May 03 17:31 |
| bgtr4 | in russia it costs nothing | May 03 17:31 |
| bgtr4 | as well as in many countries | May 03 17:31 |
| buggy shit costs plenty to your customers | May 03 17:31 | |
| bgtr4 | it wasn't buggy | May 03 17:31 |
| shit it was not! | May 03 17:31 | |
| bgtr4 | it was just about what i told | May 03 17:31 |
| It's still shit! | May 03 17:32 | |
| bgtr4 | yup | May 03 17:32 |
| bgtr4 | but | May 03 17:32 |
| but KDE is way better | May 03 17:32 | |
| bgtr4 | you could make money with dat... that's the reason it procreated | May 03 17:32 |
| bgtr4 | i don't even mention kde, i don't develop for it | May 03 17:32 |
| no one but M$ is making money with Windows, and even they are starting to have problems. | May 03 17:33 | |
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| bgtr4 | no? | May 03 17:33 |
| bgtr4 | those who don't pay for m$ | May 03 17:33 |
| :) | May 03 17:33 | |
| schestowitz | Hmm... awstats says BN serves 20k pages in the past 12 hours :-) good fro a Sunday | May 03 17:33 |
| bgtr4 | but they can even call it MICROSOFT | May 03 17:33 |
| bgtr4 | can make much money not paying for anything | May 03 17:33 |
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| bgtr4 | 20k pages is cool | May 03 17:34 |
| from what I've read, KDE 4 problems are mostly exposing the underlying feature set. | May 03 17:34 | |
| bgtr4 | per /12 hours | May 03 17:34 |
| I don't have the computing power or time really to play with KDE 4 right now, but I know it would be a lot of fun to try to add things I like. | May 03 17:35 | |
| schestowitz | Some apps are still being ported | May 03 17:36 |
| schestowitz | Like k3b | May 03 17:36 |
| schestowitz | They get a plasma gown | May 03 17:36 |
| bgtr4 | lol | May 03 17:38 |
| bgtr4 | kde gonna stop "evolving" only when people stop writing for it | May 03 17:38 |
| bgtr4 | "updating" | May 03 17:38 |
| bgtr4 | 'cause kde want to always be immature | May 03 17:39 |
| interesting thoughts here http://www.internetnews.com/comm... | May 03 17:40 | |
| I don't think Oracle need to or can kill Solaris though. | May 03 17:41 | |
| It would be easier for them to continue it's liberation. | May 03 17:41 | |
| that might bolster sales of Sun hardware as other OS port the needed parts to run it well | May 03 17:42 | |
| schestowitz | Ah!! | May 03 17:43 |
| schestowitz | Not Enderle garbage | May 03 17:43 |
| schestowitz | It's the MS Spinola | May 03 17:43 |
| the guy has his value proposition a little skewed, now I know why. | May 03 17:43 | |
| schestowitz | The whole "Oracle owns Linux" BS | May 03 17:43 |
| schestowitz | They should ban him for being a shill | May 03 17:44 |
| I did not notice who wrote the article. | May 03 17:44 | |
| schestowitz | They haven't yet | May 03 17:44 |
| It is interesting that he's proposing a return to the free software world. | May 03 17:45 | |
| but he's got it screwed up a little. | May 03 17:45 | |
| he thinks that "software is where the value is" but does not seem to understand that the value of software is solving specific problems not selling a generic box. | May 03 17:46 | |
| schestowitz | Let's just not feed the bastard | May 03 17:46 |
| bgtr4 | people always seem to mix that up | May 03 17:46 |
| schestowitz | LinuxToday totally ignored him this time | May 03 17:47 |
| schestowitz | Discussion too is feeding | May 03 17:47 |
| indeed, forget I got trolled. | May 03 17:47 | |
| schestowitz | The more inaccurate things are, the more responses they get | May 03 17:47 |
| I wonder how many stupid and incorrect things just got lodged into my head by that turd. | May 03 17:47 | |
| schestowitz | Some blogs show this well | May 03 17:47 |
| schestowitz | Like MS blogs | May 03 17:47 |
| schestowitz | Where they attract responsive 'trolling' for the offended parties | May 03 17:48 |
| schestowitz | Like Mac/Linux users | May 03 17:48 |
| schestowitz | I'm glad I put rating system in NB | May 03 17:48 |
| bbl | May 03 17:48 | |
| schestowitz | If people don't comment at least it's because there's no annoyance | May 03 17:48 |
| schestowitz | Just got this by mail: | May 03 17:49 |
| schestowitz | ============== | May 03 17:49 |
| schestowitz | This is high quality, the intermingling of unconnected | May 03 17:49 |
| schestowitz | 'phenomenologicia' and pejoratives. This is no 'kid' writing this, | May 03 17:49 |
| schestowitz | it's too well done. Find out who exactly is writing this. | May 03 17:49 |
| schestowitz | ---- | May 03 17:49 |
| schestowitz | 01. No viruses for Linux because of low user base and | May 03 17:49 |
| schestowitz | 02. No common set of core components under Linux | May 03 17:49 |
| schestowitz | 03. No proprietary software for Linux | May 03 17:49 |
| schestowitz | "Wait, this sounds familiar. .. They can have another choice: FUCK | May 03 17:49 |
| schestowitz | OFF! I DON'T WANT YOUR FUCKING HIPPIE MONEY!" | May 03 17:49 |
| schestowitz | http://linuxhaters.blogspot.com/2008/06/a... | May 03 17:49 |
| schestowitz | ================== | May 03 17:49 |
| schestowitz | Miguel knows the person. Search BN.. 'linux hater' | May 03 17:49 |
| schestowitz | They change Linux the Microsoft way | May 03 17:50 |
| bgtr4 | lol... "responsive trolling" XD | May 03 17:50 |
| schestowitz | It's like a sub-cult of MS trying to hijack Linux | May 03 17:50 |
| schestowitz | bgtr4: trolling the trolls | May 03 17:50 |
| bgtr4 | isn't m$ already hijacking? | May 03 17:50 |
| bgtr4 | they already found their way | May 03 17:51 |
| bgtr4 | and even planned it far enough | May 03 17:51 |
| schestowitz | Yes | May 03 17:55 |
| bgtr4 | and all that we kan do is either put sanity into people heads or continue to stay on our own grounds | May 03 17:56 |
| bgtr4 | so that people know where the real ground is | May 03 17:57 |
| bgtr4 | i don't really see a pretty good way to fight m$ to put it down on its' knees just with words | May 03 17:59 |
| bgtr4 | even though linux sw is capable of putting it down to the knees | May 03 18:00 |
| bgtr4 | so it's kinda unfair fight with very unpredictable ending | May 03 18:03 |
| bgtr4 | but i was always with these kinds of fights | May 03 18:04 |
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| ndgh8 | wow, xp rebooted be while i was in bath | May 03 18:28 |
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| schestowitz | bgtr4: XP reboot spntaneously | May 03 18:56 |
| schestowitz | Any reason? | May 03 18:56 |
| bgtr4 | idk i was out | May 03 18:57 |
| bgtr4 | other devices didn't | May 03 18:57 |
| schestowitz | Cool: http://cory.github.com/blog/200... | May 03 18:58 |
| bgtr4 | no logs to find out | May 03 18:58 |
| bgtr4 | wtf, it's just a ring | May 03 18:59 |
| bgtr4 | new method... | May 03 18:59 |
| bgtr4 | and it's no even a ring | May 03 18:59 |
| bgtr4 | he should've patented that | May 03 18:59 |
| bgtr4 | it's some table interpolated formulae | May 03 19:00 |
| schestowitz | "It's hard to overstate how incredibly valuable that's been. The fact that many journalists refuse to engage in that sort of conversation actually shows through in their work: they don't want to bother. They like to position themselves as experts, but many don't really understand what they're talking about." http://techdirt.com/articles/20090... | May 03 19:00 |
| schestowitz | bgtr4: Just geometry | May 03 19:00 |
| bgtr4 | nooo | May 03 19:00 |
| bgtr4 | it should be patented | May 03 19:00 |
| schestowitz | http://www.realclimateeconomics.org/ | May 03 19:01 |
| schestowitz | Here in the UK we have surveillance for peace activists http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2009/may/01/... | May 03 19:01 |
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| schestowitz | bgtr4: maths should not be patented | May 03 19:01 |
| bgtr4 | geometry shouldn't be free, everybody should pay for using pythagorus theorem to someone | May 03 19:01 |
| schestowitz | You can't own maps | May 03 19:01 |
| schestowitz | I see | May 03 19:01 |
| schestowitz | Sarcasm noted | May 03 19:01 |
| schestowitz | "Open promise" to teacher: you can use geometry for non-commercial purposes and not be sued :-D | May 03 19:02 |
| bgtr4 | XD | May 03 19:02 |
| schestowitz | How Twitter is Dethroning the Old Guard < http://mashable.com/2009/05/01/twit... > | May 03 19:02 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | Hi Chaps, there's a scary discussion going on here: http://www2.apebox.org/wor... | May 03 19:04 |
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| trmanco | "Now, the disk space question. Tomboy and its unique deps take 13.9 MiB of space on a Jaunty install CD." | May 03 19:09 |
| trmanco | strange | May 03 19:09 |
| schestowitz | We received offensive messages over gnote | May 03 19:10 |
| trmanco | "unique deps" -> mono? | May 03 19:10 |
| schestowitz | Some people out there are not happy | May 03 19:10 |
| trmanco | I don't give a fuck for those people | May 03 19:10 |
| schestowitz | Hhe. | May 03 19:10 |
| schestowitz | I'm seeing Jo's post | May 03 19:11 |
| schestowitz | Jealous of gnote or just afraid | May 03 19:11 |
| trmanco | both | May 03 19:11 |
| schestowitz | Good | May 03 19:11 |
| schestowitz | They give it publicity | May 03 19:11 |
| trmanco | it's an app with a little more than a month | May 03 19:11 |
| schestowitz | How tactless | May 03 19:11 |
| schestowitz | trmanco: yes. | May 03 19:11 |
| schestowitz | Under a month, already mention by sandy | May 03 19:11 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | There is definitely some panic setting in. That someone managed to rebuild one of their precious apps in next to no time... | May 03 19:12 |
| trmanco | oh, and about memory consumption, no proof | May 03 19:12 |
| schestowitz | TheOpenSourcerer: it gets easier as one gets along. It's like manual translation b/w langs | May 03 19:12 |
| schestowitz | Maybe they'll run Novell employee (and Mono booster) Jeff to do some 'benchmarks' | May 03 19:13 |
| schestowitz | Novell's "Get the Facts' | May 03 19:13 |
| bgtr4 | .net was never fast as anything | May 03 19:13 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | Right - the misses awarded me heap big brownie points this afternoon so am off to the pub to blow them all in one go. | May 03 19:13 |
| schestowitz | Brownie points? | May 03 19:13 |
| schestowitz | How about Brown pints? | May 03 19:13 |
| schestowitz | Or brownies? | May 03 19:13 |
| trmanco | http://www2.apebox.org/wordp... | May 03 19:14 |
| bgtr4 | so i suggest that even python works faster | May 03 19:14 |
| schestowitz | Google will make it a lot faster | May 03 19:14 |
| bgtr4 | i never saw anything working fast with .net | May 03 19:14 |
| schestowitz | http://arstechnica.com/open-source/news/2009... | May 03 19:14 |
| bgtr4 | so now .net is completely useless | May 03 19:14 |
| trmanco | http://www2.apebox.org/wordpress/r... | May 03 19:15 |
| trmanco | 2-0 | May 03 19:15 |
| trmanco | and remember | May 03 19:16 |
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| trmanco | hub is just porting it to c++, it has a month of age, and code optimizations probably haven't even came across his mind | May 03 19:16 |
| trmanco | it€«s experimental | May 03 19:17 |
| schestowitz | trmanco: what did you do to him !!? | May 03 19:17 |
| trmanco | schestowitz, who? | May 03 19:17 |
| schestowitz | Jo | May 03 19:17 |
| schestowitz | The whole thing is damage control | May 03 19:17 |
| trmanco | nothing, why? I don't even now the guy | May 03 19:17 |
| schestowitz | [to the benchmark] | May 03 19:17 |
| trmanco | those were some quick numbers | May 03 19:18 |
| schestowitz | > <trmanco> nothing, why? I don't even now the guy | May 03 19:18 |
| schestowitz | That's the guy who pushes Mono into Ubuntu and Debian | May 03 19:18 |
| trmanco | know* | May 03 19:18 |
| schestowitz | Same for MoonLie | May 03 19:18 |
| trmanco | yeah, but what I mean is, I never discussed anything with him | May 03 19:18 |
| trmanco | meant* | May 03 19:18 |
| trmanco | never made a comment directed to him | May 03 19:18 |
| trmanco | only here in irc | May 03 19:19 |
| bgtr4 | someone should design a hedgehog for linux so nothing m$ could break into | May 03 19:20 |
| schestowitz | "The Fedora project further confirms this by including Gnote in Fedora 10 and 11." | May 03 19:20 |
| schestowitz | Cool. | May 03 19:20 |
| bgtr4 | seems like i gotta dl fedora instead of mdv 2009.1 64bit | May 03 19:21 |
| trmanco | mononono is a start | May 03 19:22 |
| bgtr4 | from what i heard today... fedora is the only distro that's making sane steps | May 03 19:22 |
| schestowitz | "“mono… will be a better choice for the Gnome 3 to use” | May 03 19:24 |
| schestowitz | I can’t think of anything worse. | May 03 19:24 |
| schestowitz | Apart from Microsoft buying Miguel (Ahh no hang on…)" | May 03 19:24 |
| trmanco | http://www2.apebox.org/wordpress/ran... | May 03 19:24 |
| trmanco | there is the link :-P | May 03 19:24 |
| trmanco | just finished reading that comment | May 03 19:24 |
| schestowitz | bgtr4: yes, no moonlie | May 03 19:24 |
| bgtr4 | i just don't want to hear anything concerned with m$ anywhere near distro that i use | May 03 19:25 |
| bgtr4 | m$ is just incapable of fair play | May 03 19:26 |
| schestowitz | Some people don't mind it | May 03 19:26 |
| trmanco | don't forget MS moonlie | May 03 19:27 |
| schestowitz | Some people like Microsoft aND Linux | May 03 19:27 |
| schestowitz | And WIndows | May 03 19:27 |
| trmanco | (R) | May 03 19:27 |
| schestowitz | Or MS P/Ls | May 03 19:27 |
| schestowitz | No matter how much Microsoft sues Linux | May 03 19:27 |
| bgtr4 | i use windows now | May 03 19:27 |
| schestowitz | (let alone calling it "Cancer") | May 03 19:27 |
| bgtr4 | but once i'm in linux distro | May 03 19:27 |
| bgtr4 | i don't want to see anything concerned with m$ | May 03 19:27 |
| bgtr4 | it's just as clear as "I WANNA MOVE to some sane os" | May 03 19:27 |
| bgtr4 | even though it takes time | May 03 19:30 |
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| schestowitz | GNOME could shed off the Mono Yoke with Gnote: http://boycottnovell.com/2009/05/... (Gnote Enters Fedora) | May 03 19:53 |
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| _bgtr4 | oops xp did it again | May 03 20:01 |
| _bgtr4 | may be it's haali splitter | May 03 20:02 |
| schestowitz | Is there a system log? | May 03 20:02 |
| _bgtr4 | but barely... user level apps barely invoke reset | May 03 20:02 |
| _bgtr4 | nope | May 03 20:02 |
| schestowitz | I know there's something, but I don't know Windows well enough | May 03 20:02 |
| schestowitz | I used WIndows 98 extensively | May 03 20:02 |
| schestowitz | The thing is, to slam Windows technically I'd have to get off Linux | May 03 20:03 |
| _bgtr4 | yeah, the first windows that i used was win98se | May 03 20:03 |
| schestowitz | I still have 98 SE CDs here | May 03 20:03 |
| schestowitz | Two in fact | May 03 20:03 |
| schestowitz | Came with a laptop | May 03 20:03 |
| schestowitz | A Knack for Languages Evolves Into a Career < http://online.wsj.com/article/SB12... > | May 03 20:04 |
| trmanco | well, the first windows i've used was 3.1 :| | May 03 20:06 |
| trmanco | and had a day with DOS | May 03 20:06 |
| trmanco | on my sisters IBM pc | May 03 20:06 |
| schestowitz | 'Despite this, incidents such as the early media frenzy about mythical disgruntled Linux “hackers” attacking SCO Group via an email worm that infected millions of computers in mere days continue to occur, creating in the minds of the most incredulous the impression that Linux is “a hacker’s OS”, with a decidedly pejorative bent to the use of the term “hacker”.' | May 03 20:07 |
| schestowitz | http://blogs.techrepublic.com... | May 03 20:07 |
| schestowitz | Waddup w/ that? | May 03 20:07 |
| *trmanco still remembers the large floppy stack he had on the computer desk | May 03 20:07 | |
| schestowitz | media must change and data moved all the time | May 03 20:07 |
| schestowitz | Also format-wise | May 03 20:07 |
| schestowitz | No source, no access | May 03 20:08 |
| schestowitz | Good luck running and opening data loasslessly if it's from the 70s | May 03 20:08 |
| trmanco | I remember my sister installing windows 95 on that machine, took a hole day | May 03 20:08 |
| trmanco | with floppies | May 03 20:08 |
| schestowitz | Paper has much better endurance. Curation in digital worlds is scary | May 03 20:08 |
| schestowitz | Not a whole day | May 03 20:08 |
| schestowitz | Just hours | May 03 20:08 |
| schestowitz | Same with Office | May 03 20:08 |
| trmanco | half a day | May 03 20:09 |
| schestowitz | Word 6 | May 03 20:09 |
| trmanco | about 10-12 hours | May 03 20:09 |
| schestowitz | Well... | May 03 20:09 |
| schestowitz | If you go by Microsoft's progre~1 bars, then maybe | May 03 20:09 |
| trmanco | to get it all installed... if you do a normal installation some features are still missing if you don't add them, and you need the floppies... "FEature 1" -> please insert disk #5 Feature 3 -> please inset disk #22 | May 03 20:10 |
| trmanco | ... | May 03 20:10 |
| trmanco | schestowitz, I don't really recall, but I think the progress bars didn't have time, just percentage | May 03 20:11 |
| schestowitz | http://www.pr.com/press-release/148934 (Free Powerful CAD Software Achieves Record Numbers, Big Linux Following) | May 03 20:11 |
| trmanco | I remember the first computer game I played | May 03 20:11 |
| trmanco | free ski | May 03 20:12 |
| schestowitz | Glyn Moody is reciting the Microsoft "Linux 1% market share" lie. http://boycottnovell.com/2009/05/02... | May 03 20:12 |
| trmanco | stupid bear always ate me at the end, not matter how many times a tried dodging it | May 03 20:12 |
| schestowitz | Well, it tells about your age.. | May 03 20:12 |
| schestowitz | My first game was a lot more primitive | May 03 20:13 |
| schestowitz | Though I can't recall if it was PC... (as in full PC) | May 03 20:13 |
| schestowitz | Probably arcades | May 03 20:13 |
| schestowitz | Pacman days | May 03 20:13 |
| trmanco | I played that too | May 03 20:14 |
| trmanco | atari games | May 03 20:14 |
| trmanco | hehe | May 03 20:14 |
| schestowitz | I probably shouldn't pass on proprietary software as news even if it runs Linux | May 03 20:14 |
| trmanco | you shouldn't, only if it's something major | May 03 20:14 |
| *schestowitz once tried to estimate how much time in life was spent on games and TV | May 03 20:15 | |
| trmanco | like "Steam finally comes to Linux with 2 games ported" | May 03 20:15 |
| schestowitz | I have very detailed lists of games I played | May 03 20:15 |
| schestowitz | I used to type all sorts of things on my Palm when I got bored | May 03 20:15 |
| trmanco | I've played crysis | May 03 20:15 |
| schestowitz | So I ought to have a good list of things from the past. Might come handy not just for nostalgic private) purposes | May 03 20:16 |
| trmanco | on the computer I'm running now | May 03 20:16 |
| schestowitz | I would have lost count of all the jobs I had | May 03 20:16 |
| trmanco | I still can count all the jobs I've had :-P | May 03 20:17 |
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| schestowitz | I'm looking at it now | May 03 20:17 |
| schestowitz | First time in ages | May 03 20:17 |
| schestowitz | 54 pages, last updated 2004 | May 03 20:17 |
| trmanco | wow | May 03 20:17 |
| schestowitz | OK, so I've had like 10 jobs | May 03 20:17 |
| schestowitz | Yet trolls love pretending I'm some bum | May 03 20:18 |
| schestowitz | It's a good thing I wrote all that stuff down before it expired from memory | May 03 20:18 |
| schestowitz | Childhood songs are a hard things to keep track of and fetch.. | May 03 20:20 |
| schestowitz | Family was a big jackson 5 fan...... http://www.youtube.com/wat... | May 03 20:20 |
| schestowitz | Are Careless Linux Users Giving Ext4 A Bad Rap? < http://www.bmighty.com/blog/main/... > | May 03 20:22 |
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| schestowitz | Flex Builder for Linux Dead? < http://www.infoq.com/news/20... > | May 03 20:27 |
| schestowitz | If the latest rumours have substance, Palm may enters the desktop (ish) market with Linux: http://www.brighthand.com/default.asp?ne... | May 03 20:33 |
| schestowitz | http://www.p2p-blog.com/ite... (Best-selling Swedish author uploads audio book to the Pirate Bay to protest court verdict) | May 03 20:49 |
| schestowitz | RealNetworks CEO Rob Glaser, on the witness stand for the second day in a lawsuit challenging his DVD copying software, was hammered by the motion picture studios’ attorney questioning his earlier testimony. http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2... | May 03 20:50 |
| schestowitz | Top lawmaker wants mileage-based tax on vehicles http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/... | May 03 20:51 |
| schestowitz | 3 Tweaks to Speed Up Firefox 3 and Free Memory < http://tuxarena.blogspot.com/2009/... >. Maybe I'll give that a go later..... :-S | May 03 20:55 |
| schestowitz | Minnesota Tries To Block Online Gambling < http://wcco.com/consumer/online.gam... > People can still gamble in FraudStreet | May 03 20:58 |
| schestowitz | "Orlando police Chief Val Demings is threatening to sue one of her critics for creating a Web site that criticizes her performance." http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/or... | May 03 20:59 |
| schestowitz | The Police is still above the law, obviously. | May 03 21:00 |
| schestowitz | The EFF is taking on the USian spooks: The EFF digs deep into the FBI's "everything bucket" < http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/ne... > | May 03 21:03 |
| schestowitz | The two 'benevolent' thieves will jerk off each other's ego in public: http://blog.seattlepi.com/microso... | May 03 21:06 |
| schestowitz | Novell being lame: http://www.youtube.com/watch... | May 03 21:09 |
| Balrog_ | MS is scared of linux | May 03 21:13 |
| Balrog_ | "On Tuesday, May 5 (PST), the RC will be available to everyone via our Customer Preview Program. As with the Beta, the Windows 7 RC Customer Preview Program is a broad public program that offers the RC free to anyone who wants to download it. It will be available at least through June 30, 2009, with no limits on the number of downloads or product keys available." | May 03 21:13 |
| Balrog_ | "free", unlimited use | May 03 21:13 |
| schestowitz | Buh-bye, margins | May 03 21:15 |
| schestowitz | They'd rather lose profit than let Linux grow | May 03 21:15 |
| schestowitz | They say so | May 03 21:15 |
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| Balrog_ | yeah...... | May 03 21:32 |
| MinceR | r4wr | May 03 21:41 |
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| Balrog_ | schestowitz: I don't like this: http://www.cablesdirect.com/ | May 03 21:49 |
| Balrog_ | go to the site and you'll see why ... | May 03 21:49 |
| schestowitz | Where? | May 03 21:51 |
| schestowitz | The HDMI thing? | May 03 21:51 |
| Balrog_ | are you using/spoofing IE? | May 03 21:51 |
| schestowitz | Is some object not rendering? | May 03 21:51 |
| schestowitz | No, I pose as Firefox now | May 03 21:51 |
| Balrog_ | because I get a JS popup saying "this site is optimized for IE, use IE" | May 03 21:51 |
| schestowitz | Works fine as Opera too | May 03 21:52 |
| Balrog_ | "It seems you are not using Internet Explorer. This website is optimize for Internet Explorer" | May 03 21:52 |
| Balrog_ | do you have JS on? | May 03 21:52 |
| schestowitz | Works in Konqueror too | May 03 21:52 |
| schestowitz | Let's try with JS | May 03 21:52 |
| schestowitz | Yikes | May 03 21:53 |
| schestowitz | With JS it give a popup | May 03 21:53 |
| schestowitz | What a lousy design too | May 03 21:53 |
| Balrog_ | it doesn't render right in Safari | May 03 21:53 |
| schestowitz | It has those nasty JS effects | May 03 21:53 |
| Balrog_ | like marquee? | May 03 21:54 |
| trmanco | http://unstableme.blogspot.com/2... | May 03 21:55 |
| schestowitz | Balrog_: yes, that too | May 03 22:00 |
| *schestowitz runs and hide (afraid of vi) | May 03 22:01 | |
| schestowitz | This dude associates RMS with open source. He should know better and he does. http://blogs.techrepublic.co... | May 03 22:03 |
| schestowitz | Why Desktop Linux isn't profitable < http://zerias.blogspot.com/2009/05/wh... > | May 03 22:04 |
| schestowitz | It should also add: "why desktop Windows isn't so profitable (anymore)" -- commodity | May 03 22:05 |
| trmanco | schestowitz, afraid of vim? | May 03 22:05 |
| schestowitz | I used vi | May 03 22:05 |
| schestowitz | not vim | May 03 22:05 |
| schestowitz | I don't know shortcuts well | May 03 22:05 |
| schestowitz | Can barely recall the save and exit keys | May 03 22:05 |
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| schestowitz | http://biodegradablegeek.com/2009/05... (http://meandubuntu.wordpress.com/2009/05/0...) | May 03 22:09 |
| trmanco | lol | May 03 22:10 |
| trmanco | :quit | May 03 22:10 |
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| Balrog_ | vim is an enhanced vi | May 03 22:21 |
| schestowitz | i know | May 03 22:22 |
| schestowitz | http://d0od.blogspot.com/2009/05/no... | May 03 22:22 |
| Balrog_ | how do you make xubuntu integrate properly | May 03 22:22 |
| Balrog_ | (firefox with the rest of the system)? | May 03 22:22 |
| schestowitz | gtk | May 03 22:25 |
| schestowitz | Balrog_: Sometimes I Hate Gentoo < http://www.ramimassoud.com/2009/05... > | May 03 22:26 |
| schestowitz | Hmmmmmmm...... KDE 4.2.2 still has a few problems < http://usalug-org.blogspot.com/2009/0... > | May 03 22:28 |
| schestowitz | Sh*ntel has been dropping the ball a lot recently: Ubuntu 9.04 and Intel graphics < http://www.h-online.com/open/Ubuntu-9-0... > | May 03 22:32 |
| MinceR | "Flash videos in full-screen mode are jerky" -- so what else is new? | May 03 22:33 |
| MinceR | http://www.h-online.com/security/Risky-M... | May 03 22:35 |
| schestowitz | http://the-gay-bar.com/index.php?/ar... 'The whole "we have to get more people to Linux" is not a very gracious move, we look like hookers trying to get another "John". ' | May 03 22:38 |
| schestowitz | As Slated puts it, #1 bug is not market share | May 03 22:38 |
| schestowitz | It's about Freedom | May 03 22:38 |
| schestowitz | Not ending up with another OS X and PhotoshopiX | May 03 22:38 |
| MinceR | hw driver support and sw support are part of freedom | May 03 22:39 |
| schestowitz | Those chaps luv Winders: http://www.h-online.com/ima... | May 03 22:39 |
| MinceR | and we can only get those if we can convince hw and sw developers that they can't overlook gnu/linux | May 03 22:39 |
| schestowitz | Or even Linux | May 03 22:40 |
| schestowitz | To them it's mostly the kernel | May 03 22:40 |
| schestowitz | My brother learns to program for it | May 03 22:40 |
| schestowitz | But they are trained on 2.4, which is STRANGE | May 03 22:40 |
| schestowitz | Mister PetoKraus : Arch User Magazine Issue 2 < http://archuser.com/2009/05/arc... > | May 03 22:41 |
| MinceR | perhaps that's what The Book was written for | May 03 22:42 |
| MinceR | a decade or two ago | May 03 22:42 |
| schestowitz | From Ubuntu to Gen2: "So it might just be worthwhile learning" Gentoo. < http://mmol-6453.livejournal.com/1... > | May 03 22:44 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: that's what I thought | May 03 22:44 |
| schestowitz | Red Hat.. ancient edition | May 03 22:44 |
| schestowitz | Shadowgrounds: Survivor Is Still M.I.A. < http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?... > | May 03 22:46 |
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| Balrog_ | schestowitz: haven't seen that problem | May 03 22:49 |
| Balrog_ | though on gentoo it may be better to use 'unstable' packages | May 03 22:50 |
| schestowitz | Joe is boing rude again: http://www2.apebox.org/wordpress/rants/90/ "@oiaohm, What a lot of waffle. Someone’s channeling Jose_X i think." | May 03 22:50 |
| schestowitz | The guy is always in rage. "LOVE MICROSOFT, SPREAD MONO, ARGH!!!!!!!!!!!!!" | May 03 22:51 |
| schestowitz | Ok, thank you , Jo.. | May 03 22:51 |
| schestowitz | http://boycottnovell.com/2008/1... | May 03 22:54 |
| schestowitz | Oh wait! | May 03 22:54 |
| schestowitz | KeithCu | May 03 22:54 |
| schestowitz | Is this Curtis from thew Vole? | May 03 22:54 |
| schestowitz | http://linux.sys-con.co... | May 03 22:55 |
| schestowitz | Maybe just this guy: http://keithcu.com/wordpress/?p=25 | May 03 22:56 |
| schestowitz | Debian/Ubuntu | May 03 22:56 |
| schestowitz | http://www2.apebox.org/wordpress/ran... "Everyone not working on kernel-mode code, program in C# or Python, or some GC programming language." --KeithCu | May 03 22:56 |
| Balrog_ | oh come on. C# is a weak clone of java | May 03 22:58 |
| schestowitz | But Novell likes it | May 03 23:00 |
| schestowitz | It wants to make money from the 'Improved' edition | May 03 23:01 |
| MinceR | novell likes anything if it's from m$ | May 03 23:01 |
| schestowitz | Money | May 03 23:01 |
| schestowitz | Coupons | May 03 23:01 |
| MinceR | gobs of spit | May 03 23:02 |
| MinceR | navel lint | May 03 23:03 |
| schestowitz | The trouble with Ubuntu Server for beginners < http://beep.name/2009/05/01/the-t... > | May 03 23:04 |
| MinceR | what would a beginner want a server for? | May 03 23:05 |
| MinceR | what's next, are they going to complain that a newbie can't code c before learning it because there's no shiny gui to click the code together? | May 03 23:06 |
| MinceR | these apple users should go back to things they can understnad. | May 03 23:06 |
| MinceR | s/tnad/tand/ | May 03 23:06 |
| MinceR | "Users can also opt for Webmin but it’s not going to win any beauty contests soon, as far as its interface is concerned." | May 03 23:08 |
| MinceR | "oh noes, my server's remote admin interface isn't a drool-complete full 3d interactive movie! what am i going to do?" | May 03 23:08 |
| schestowitz | You know what I've just realised | May 03 23:10 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft had this sort or Lara Croft idea for search in 2006ish | May 03 23:10 |
| schestowitz | Something not about search as much as Vista user | May 03 23:10 |
| schestowitz | IIRC | May 03 23:10 |
| schestowitz | With some woman that's more like a pr0n star | May 03 23:10 |
| schestowitz | I haven't seen it for years | May 03 23:11 |
| schestowitz | I assume she was DoA | May 03 23:11 |
| schestowitz | Like Bob and that doggie from XP | May 03 23:11 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft put doggie and Lara in the attic | May 03 23:11 |
| MinceR | perhaps eidos wanted too much money? | May 03 23:12 |
| schestowitz | here are MS mockups for Vista8 interface: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/... | May 03 23:14 |
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| MinceR | lol | May 03 23:15 |
| *schestowitz couldn't find a picture of that model with object wnetering the mouth as you cycle. | May 03 23:21 | |
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| MinceR | gn | May 03 23:51 |
| The_Mad_Hatter | Roy, about the XBox 360, it's in third place in Japan at present. | May 03 23:51 |
| The_Mad_Hatter | http://news.punchjump.com/arti... | May 03 23:52 |
| schestowitz | :-) | May 03 23:54 |
| schestowitz | MS loves to rave when it dumps | May 03 23:54 |
| schestowitz | (the prices, or units) | May 03 23:54 |
| tacone | hello i'm back | May 03 23:54 |
| schestowitz | The NPS routine | May 03 23:54 |
| schestowitz | "pulling an NPD" = dropping price/channel stuffing, then quickly metering the response and pretending it's all normal | May 03 23:55 |
| schestowitz | tacone: what's up? | May 03 23:55 |
| schestowitz | You missed so much | May 03 23:55 |
| schestowitz | gnote.. | May 03 23:55 |
| schestowitz | Write about it if you can | May 03 23:55 |
| tacone | yes | May 03 23:55 |
| tacone | sadly i left just after the thing exploded | May 03 23:55 |
| tacone | i have a good post in response to the thing :-) | May 03 23:55 |
| tacone | but it's too late, sadly | May 03 23:56 |
| tacone | basically, i'll propose to keep rhythmbox even if it's 6mb more (!) | May 03 23:56 |
| tacone | and shave 40+ mb of mono from the live cd :9 | May 03 23:56 |
| tacone | how do you like that ? :-) | May 03 23:56 |
| schestowitz | It's i FP of LWN | May 03 23:57 |
| schestowitz | Watch FP | May 03 23:57 |
| schestowitz | Gnote | May 03 23:57 |
| schestowitz | the editor loves it | May 03 23:57 |
| schestowitz | And trmanco wrote about benchmarks | May 03 23:58 |
| schestowitz | The Mono people are in panic | May 03 23:58 |
| tacone | fp = ? | May 03 23:58 |
| schestowitz | front page | May 03 23:58 |
| schestowitz | Hubert gets lots of press now | May 03 23:58 |
| tacone | rightfully, they're are loosing the mono dep in gnome | May 03 23:58 |
| tacone | hubert got new contribs in the 0.3 release | May 03 23:58 |
| schestowitz | banshee is trouble | May 03 23:58 |
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| schestowitz | Need to keep it away | May 03 23:58 |
| tacone | translators | May 03 23:58 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: Jo insulted you | May 03 23:58 |
| schestowitz | I saw the thread | May 03 23:58 |
| tacone | lwn = ? | May 03 23:58 |
| schestowitz | tacone: yes, it's in Fedora now | May 03 23:59 |
| schestowitz | More soon | May 03 23:59 |
| schestowitz | LWN.net | May 03 23:59 |
| schestowitz | 'The' Linux site | May 03 23:59 |
| tacone | boom ! | May 03 23:59 |
| schestowitz | Needs subscription though | May 03 23:59 |
| tacone | first news | May 03 23:59 |
| schestowitz | AND... | May 03 23:59 |
| schestowitz | The best part, the project is just weeks old. | May 03 23:59 |
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