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Re: exchange with Richard Stallman



Bruce said:

> > Put unstripped executables in the packages -- strip them on installation.
> > Make stripping them on installation both optional and configurable.
> 
> We could improve on this, and we have to anyway for multi-architecture
> releases. Make it possible to build the entire distribution from source
> with one command, and with your own choice of CFLAGS and LDFLAGS. Do this
> by testing how well it works today, and by feeding patches to for the broken
> packages back to the package mantainers. At a minimum, all packages should
> refrain from stripping executables if LDFLAGS does not contain "-s", and
> all packages should accept the architecture in CFLAGS.

I'm not necessarily arguing against this, but I'd observe

- it's a lot of work for a lot of people to get this done

- it requires downloading sources (not always easy for those with
  low-tech connectivity) and rebuilding to get symbol info.  If
  unstripped executables are in the binary package, all that's needed
  is a package reinstall specifying an option to leave them unstripped.

I'm not necessarily buying RMS's argument that having unstripped
executables in the field is highly useful either, just accepting
at face value his assertion that it's useful and observing that it
looks easy to have unstripped executables available.