The debian-private mailing list leak, part 1. Volunteers have complained about Blackmail. Lynchings. Character assassination. Defamation. Cyberbullying. Volunteers who gave many years of their lives are picked out at random for cruel social experiments. The former DPL's girlfriend Molly de Blanc is given volunteers to experiment on for her crazy talks. These volunteers never consented to be used like lab rats. We don't either. debian-private can no longer be a safe space for the cabal. Let these monsters have nowhere to hide. Volunteers are not disposable. We stand with the victims.
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Re: FSF negociations

>>>>> "C" == Craig Sanders <cas@muffin.pronet.com> writes:

C> If I want the symbols I'll fetch the sources and recompile it
C> myself.

Especially since Debian has been specifically engineered to make this
easier.  At the very worst (and I don't recommend it) we could have 2
binary packages one stripped and one unstripped in the distribution.
This would avoid the user having to deal with compiling the package if
they just wanted to generate a core dump for a developer.

C> I like having the option to install the exact same source which my
C> binaries were made from, but would hate to be forced to install
C> source for stuff that I'm probably never going to want to
C> re-compile.

Yes, this seems really hard to justify.  If you know how to handle a
compilation, you can certainly figure out where to get the debian
source package.

C> Also, some Debian systems are installed as special purpose
C> machines...who wants X on a simple router/gateway, or on a news
C> server?  I certainly don't.  One of Linux' virtues is that it can
C> run on a 2MB 386-16sx if necessary...and that's certainly adequate
C> for a cheap router box.

Bingo.

C> Hideous, bloated, and certainly not essential.

Hey!  That's my baby you're maliging :>  Oh ok, perhaps It's true, but
I love it anyway.

C> On the other hand, a small fast line oriented editor (such as vi or
C> ed or even ms-dos' edlin) is really useful.  You can drive them
C> over the phone by telling the dummy...oops user...at the other end
C> exactly what keystrokes to push.

C> I'd like to see vi on the install disks instead of the so-called
C> easy editor.

Just make sure to keep ae for those of us who are line oriented
impared...

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Rob