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Re: how did this happen?

> This is "strictly" an X problem and does not effect
> ormal user login unless the system boots into X by default, something we
> hould discourage during an upgrade in any case simply because X can be so
> witchy.

Most of our users probably use X, and most of them probably start xdm,
because it's a good way to log in to X. We should probably _not_ tell
these users they have to disable xdm during an upgrade. It makes our
"easy upgrade" look like a fiction.

> Under normal X installation the problem doesn't
> even show up unless some additional packages are added to the mix, and
> even then, multiple passes over the install phase eventually get
> everything right.

I really dislike the "tell the user to run dpkg/dselect multiple times".
It's another thing that makes our easy upgrade look like a fiction.

> It seemed at the time, and I haven't been convinced
> since, that this was a package ordering problem.

That's what it looks like from here. I'm also concerned that X installation
could be easier - the user should have an easy way of getting the graphical
configuration - this may mean that server packages have to recommend
xserver-vga16 .

> I'm a bit concerned about your attitude Bruce. You seem to imply that
> myself in particular and the release team in general haven't done their
> job. We have been working under a consistent set of release criterion and
> have been more concerned about the security problems with X than anything
> else.  (Clearly not on your priority list)

I do put "packages don't work when installed" above security issues when
those problems have one-line-fixes and we have no good fix for the security
issues until XFree86 3.3 comes out.

I think that the testing group did a good job, and I appreciate its
difficulty. I think we also are operating the testing group on a release
for the first time, and we are guaranteed to have made some mistakes.
We will learn some lessons from this release and change some procedures.

	Thanks

	Bruce
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