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Re: provocative actions

please keep to the facts.

On Thu 20 Nov 1997, Bruce Perens wrote:
> Let's talk about provocative actions.
> 
> Putting Debian on a KDE CD was a provocative action.

no it is not. our own official debian 2.0 cdrom will carry kde (it's
contrib). the last 1.3.1 cdrom sold from jfl also had some snapshots
from unstable included : a /local directory with :

bzip_0.21-3.deb cfs_1.3.3-1.deb des-solnet_1.03-5.deb
dpkg-dev_1.4.0.17.deb javalex_1.1.5-1.deb jdk-common_1.0.2-7.deb
jdk1.1-dev_1.1.1.v3-1.deb jdk1.1-docdemo_1.1.1.v3-1.deb
jdk1.1-runtime_1.1.1.v3-1.deb kdeapps_0.10.01-1_i386.deb
kdeapps_0.10.01-2_i386.deb kmodplayer_0.3-1_i386.deb
libgif2-dev_2.3-1_i386.deb libgif2_2.3-1_i386.deb
libkde0-dev_0.10.01-1_i386.deb libkde0_0.10.01-1_i386.deb
netboot_0.5.2-1_i386.deb pgp-i_2.6.3a-1.deb pgp-us_2.6.3a-1.deb
qt1_1.2-3.deb rsaref_19930105-1.deb sambades_1.9.16p11-1.deb
ssh_1.2.20-1.deb ssleay_0.6.6-1.deb ssltelnet_0.9.1-2.deb
staroffice_3.1-1_i386.deb user-de_0.3_all.deb wmaker_0.5.0-1.deb

the new cdrom is only an update. because we have technical differences,
it will include my kde.deb, and their kde.deb, and the source code of
kde. as i am the maintainer of kde, i agreed with that solution,
because it lets the user choose : kde in /usr (debian) or /opt (kde).

please explain, why this is provocative ? it's a reprint of a very
successfull cdrom, with an updated /local directory, not more.
the only thing that changes is, that not only debian, but kde too gets
some money from the cd vendor.

> We can't object to it
> according to our own rules, but that does not make it any less provocative.

current pratise is to include contrib on our official cdrom ?
this means to include kde. do you want to changes this, and why ?
if not, there is no provocation : they do the same thing we will do.

> Anyone involved should have known it would be an uneasy partnership.

i was involved, as i made suggestion to do this (but it was already
planed, i think). 

> Telling us what to do with our money is a provocative action. It's our
> money, and we are bound to use it to support 100% free software projects.

they don't tell you. they don't provoce anyone. i never heard a bad
word from the kde people about debian. i was mailing you, not they.
discuss this with me, don't blame others for my actions.

i am saying, that your messages are provocative. the kde people are very
reserved, they don't say anything, even if they are angry.

please keep to the facts.

regards, andreas


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