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I thought Microsoft never tested other OSes ?
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== the way to shut out Novell ==
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From: Brad Silverberg
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To: Joachim Kempin
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Cc: Brad Chase
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Subject: RE: Windows base and premium
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Date: Thursday, January 06, 1994 10:27 AM
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:.. if we are too rude in base then oems may either stick with win3.1/msdos or defect to os/2.
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:the way to shut out novell in the base is to either ship a full client or make it so there is no network connectivity.
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From: Joachim Kempin
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To: billg; bradsi; mikemap; paulma; steveb
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cc: joachimk; stevesi
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Subject: RE: Windows base and premium
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Date: Thursday, January 06, 1994 9:41 AM
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.. In particular in the area of WfW kind connectivity we will face stiff competition from NOVELL and Prob, OS/2 by then ..
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From: Bill Gates
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To: Brad Silverberg; Joachim Kempin; Mike Maples; Paul Maritz; Steve Ballmer
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Cc: Steven Sinofsky
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Subject: Windows base and premium
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Date: Sunday, December 26, 1993 3:16 PM
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:I think I am thinking of base as more limited than anyone else. I admit it causes potential problems with our compaq deal but there is a way to handle that by creating: base + some stuff is what compaq gets but that is less then premium so they can have something funny that no one else have or they can pay less and just get base or they can pay a little more and get premium.
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:I think base has the following things:
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:a. You can't add fonts. RUDE
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:b. You can't change screen driver. MAY BE OK
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:c. Some capacity constraints. Noticable - like 2 apps only or 8 meg. WILL MAKE ENDUSERS MOST ANGRY, AND OPEN OS/2 OPPORTUNITIES.
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:d. NO networking or connectivity. FIND RIGHT BALANCE
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:e. Some speed limits that are noticeable. AS LONG AS BASE = WFW AND PREMIUM GOES BEYOND WE CAN DO.
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:f. Only the most basic applets. AGREED.
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:Base is base. It is a lot better than DOS and it is NOT as good as Win:
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http://edge-op.org/iowa/www.iowaconsumercase.org/011607/4000/PX04293.pdf

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the Netware Microsoft relationship ..

To: Jan Newman From: Bob Ross Date: 8/17/93

RE: The Novell/Microsoft Relationship with regards to the developement of a NetWare Client for Windows NT ..

When we received the build, we recompiled our code and found that it would not work. We found that some changes were made to the redirector interfaces and the structure and that significant changes were made to to TDI interface. We had to discover each of the changes for our selves and then call Microsoft and point out where it had changed in order to receive each of the pieces of information from them .. This process tool a great deal of time. We lost almost 2 months of development time on the FCS release from this ..

Build 473 did not arrive when promised, but rather came to us about 3 weeks late (and 1 week after the production disk went to developers from Microsoft). The promised documentation that would explain what had been changed in this build consisted of a list of E-Mail messages between Microsoft engineers ..

Monday July 26, 1993 Microsoft went to manufacturing with the golden version of Windows NT .. We were told that our copy should arrive no later than Thursday 7/29

Friday July 30, 1993 Microsoft said that our developer copy had just gone out.

Tuesday August 3, 1993 We received our copy today, more than a week after it had been sent to customers. Microsoft told us that the delay was because the development code .. no longer fit on a single CD-ROM disk and it took them more time to work out compressing it ...

comes v Microsoft http://iowa.gotthefacts.org/011607/7000/PX07689.pdf












comes: deferred use of DR-DOS ..

General Manager Kempac Equipment Systems (S) 15 September 1988

Attn Mr. Davis Yea

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our management has decided to defer the commitment to using DR DOS because the list of compatible software packages is not as extensive as wish it would t-c. For example, we have tested version 3.2 which is supposed to be compatible with Novell Advanced Netware 2.0a, but it failed to run ...

http://iowa.gotthefacts.org/011607/0000/PX00033.pdf


  comes: comparing MS-DOS and DR-DOS ..


From: pascalm Thu Sep 22 14:42:18 1988 To: billg Cc: aaronr; philba; russw; tomle Subject: RE: DR DOS

Here- follow the three "differences" (between DR and MS DOS) that Aaron has been able to find so far. Except for these differences,the two OSs behave similarly, including undocumented calls.

The bottom line is that, given Aaron's current findings, an application can identify DR DOS. However, most apps usually have no business making calls that will let them decide which DOS (MS or DR) they are running on.

Do you think differently ? ...

http://iowa.gotthefacts.org/011607/0000/PX00034_A.pdf

I thought Microsoft never tested other OSes ?

the way to shut out Novell

From: Brad Silverberg To: Joachim Kempin Cc: Brad Chase Subject: RE: Windows base and premium Date: Thursday, January 06, 1994 10:27 AM

.. if we are too rude in base then oems may either stick with win3.1/msdos or defect to os/2.
the way to shut out novell in the base is to either ship a full client or make it so there is no network connectivity.

From: Joachim Kempin To: billg; bradsi; mikemap; paulma; steveb cc: joachimk; stevesi Subject: RE: Windows base and premium Date: Thursday, January 06, 1994 9:41 AM

.. In particular in the area of WfW kind connectivity we will face stiff competition from NOVELL and Prob, OS/2 by then ..

From: Bill Gates To: Brad Silverberg; Joachim Kempin; Mike Maples; Paul Maritz; Steve Ballmer Cc: Steven Sinofsky Subject: Windows base and premium Date: Sunday, December 26, 1993 3:16 PM

I think I am thinking of base as more limited than anyone else. I admit it causes potential problems with our compaq deal but there is a way to handle that by creating: base + some stuff is what compaq gets but that is less then premium so they can have something funny that no one else have or they can pay less and just get base or they can pay a little more and get premium.
I think base has the following things:
a. You can't add fonts. RUDE
b. You can't change screen driver. MAY BE OK
c. Some capacity constraints. Noticable - like 2 apps only or 8 meg. WILL MAKE ENDUSERS MOST ANGRY, AND OPEN OS/2 OPPORTUNITIES.
d. NO networking or connectivity. FIND RIGHT BALANCE
e. Some speed limits that are noticeable. AS LONG AS BASE = WFW AND PREMIUM GOES BEYOND WE CAN DO.
f. Only the most basic applets. AGREED.
Base is base. It is a lot better than DOS and it is NOT as good as Win:

http://edge-op.org/iowa/www.iowaconsumercase.org/011607/4000/PX04293.pdf

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