Comments on: Is Mono WISE? http://techrights.org/2009/09/09/mono-vs-wise/ Free Software Sentry – watching and reporting maneuvers of those threatened by software freedom Fri, 25 Nov 2016 09:41:40 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.9.14 By: Yuhong Bao http://techrights.org/2009/09/09/mono-vs-wise/comment-page-1/#comment-73424 Mon, 14 Sep 2009 19:29:42 +0000 http://boycottnovell.com/?p=18009#comment-73424 When talking about WISE, a talk of Mainsoft is essential too. IE for Unix was ported in partnership with Mainsoft, and the source code of Windows was leaked from Mainsoft. They are now promoting Mono I think.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mainsoft
http://www.eweek.com/c/a/Windows/Windows-Source-Leak-Traces-Back-to-Mainsoft/
http://www.techlawjournal.com/atr/80930bri.htm
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0CGN/is_3723/ai_55433237/
http://hyper.sunjapan.com.cn/~hz/win32/wise.htm

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By: David Gerard http://techrights.org/2009/09/09/mono-vs-wise/comment-page-1/#comment-73362 Thu, 10 Sep 2009 21:57:58 +0000 http://boycottnovell.com/?p=18009#comment-73362 Dan works on Chrome and does the Wine stuff in his 20% time (and hasn’t been doing much of it) – his Wine work isn’t an official Google project.

Dan did a presentation estimating that it would cost EUR 10 million to fix 5,000 open Wine bugs. Anyone got EUR 10 million to make Microsoft’s head *really* hurt?

See http://kegel.com/ for other Wine-related presentations.

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By: Roy Schestowitz http://techrights.org/2009/09/09/mono-vs-wise/comment-page-1/#comment-73361 Thu, 10 Sep 2009 21:53:17 +0000 http://boycottnovell.com/?p=18009#comment-73361 Some people actually assume he still uses GNU/Linux.

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By: Roy Schestowitz http://techrights.org/2009/09/09/mono-vs-wise/comment-page-1/#comment-73360 Thu, 10 Sep 2009 21:51:58 +0000 http://boycottnovell.com/?p=18009#comment-73360 It helps weaken their biggest/fiercest opponent.

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By: David Gerard http://techrights.org/2009/09/09/mono-vs-wise/comment-page-1/#comment-73359 Thu, 10 Sep 2009 21:25:43 +0000 http://boycottnovell.com/?p=18009#comment-73359 And Google also sponsored CodeWeavers doing quite a lot of work to Wine to get Picasa running well. And Dan Kegel from Google does quite a lot of work for Wine, including maintaining the winetricks script and serving as the Wine 1.0 release manager.

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By: Yuhong Bao http://techrights.org/2009/09/09/mono-vs-wise/comment-page-1/#comment-73358 Thu, 10 Sep 2009 21:21:43 +0000 http://boycottnovell.com/?p=18009#comment-73358 And in case of Picasa, that was bought from a company called Idealab, and Google itself provided a Linux package using Wine.

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By: Yuhong Bao http://techrights.org/2009/09/09/mono-vs-wise/comment-page-1/#comment-73357 Thu, 10 Sep 2009 21:15:02 +0000 http://boycottnovell.com/?p=18009#comment-73357

(Free software examples include VirtualDub – way too much work to port to Unix properly, so the developer just tells people to use Wine.)

Yep, the developer itself often refers to Wine source code when developing VirtualDub. Another famous example was Google Chrome, where the first version of Chrome was Windows-only. I remember that even Sergey Brin, having a Mac, was frustrated about that. Luckily CodeWeavers was able to make it work in Wine and provide a package, and later Google itself did a Mac and Linux version.

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By: Needs Sunlight http://techrights.org/2009/09/09/mono-vs-wise/comment-page-1/#comment-73306 Wed, 09 Sep 2009 14:10:32 +0000 http://boycottnovell.com/?p=18009#comment-73306 As Roy points out, WINE is not from MS. That’s an advantage, but the point was that WISE was the one *official* Microsoft Way of writing programs.

However, those that followed WISE got burned, and burned badly. IIRC, similar things happened to COM and DCOM users.

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By: Roy Schestowitz http://techrights.org/2009/09/09/mono-vs-wise/comment-page-1/#comment-73305 Wed, 09 Sep 2009 14:00:54 +0000 http://boycottnovell.com/?p=18009#comment-73305 Wine is not supported by Microsoft, though.

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By: David Gerard http://techrights.org/2009/09/09/mono-vs-wise/comment-page-1/#comment-73304 Wed, 09 Sep 2009 12:24:12 +0000 http://boycottnovell.com/?p=18009#comment-73304 You realise of course that Winelib now allows one to do much the same thing!

Though it’s easier just to make the original Windows program work properly in Wine and then tell people to use that. (Free software examples include VirtualDub – way too much work to port to Unix properly, so the developer just tells people to use Wine.)

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By: Roy Schestowitz http://techrights.org/2009/09/09/mono-vs-wise/comment-page-1/#comment-73303 Wed, 09 Sep 2009 12:20:59 +0000 http://boycottnovell.com/?p=18009#comment-73303 Thanks. We have the entire document as HTML right here.

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By: trmanco http://techrights.org/2009/09/09/mono-vs-wise/comment-page-1/#comment-73302 Wed, 09 Sep 2009 12:14:01 +0000 http://boycottnovell.com/?p=18009#comment-73302 More on WISE

Microsoft engaged in similarly deceptive conduct to combat the growing
popularity of the UNIX operating system within corporate networks. Microsoft faced a choice:
whether to “love it to death (invest a lot of money and kill it slowly) or ignore it (invest no
money on the expectation it will die quickly).”Microsoft chose initially “to invest in
interoperating” with UNIX, by promoting its Windows Interface Source Environment (“WISE”), a program that purportedly allowed developers to write software to Windows APIs
and run the resulting programs on Macintosh and UNIX systems.
Microsoft’s plan was successful. By 1996 Microsoft had captured a large share of the
corporate market. Microsoft then took the next step in its standard “embrace, extend,
extinguish” playbook and extended the Windows API without copying its changes to the WISE
program
. This meant that developers could no longer smoothly port applications to UNIX and
Macintosh. In public, however, Microsoft continued to lead developers into believing that this
software was still fully cross-platform. In 1997, Bill Gates noted in an internal email that those
developers who wrote applications for the then-available software without realizing that it would
not port all APIs to UNIX and Macintosh were “just f*****.”57 He was right: Microsoft had
successfully extinguished the cross-platform threat to its operating system monopoly. In a
subsequent antitrust suit, a district court called this move “a classic ‘bait-and-switch’ tactic.”

http://www.ecis.eu/documents/Finalversion_Consumerchoicepaper.pdf

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