Comments on: How’s that MS Office Native ODF Support Coming? http://techrights.org/2007/05/27/hows-that-ms-office-native-odf-support-coming/ Free Software Sentry – watching and reporting maneuvers of those threatened by software freedom Fri, 25 Nov 2016 09:41:40 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.9.14 By: Shane Coyle http://techrights.org/2007/05/27/hows-that-ms-office-native-odf-support-coming/comment-page-2/#comment-809 Mon, 28 May 2007 20:31:39 +0000 http://boycottnovell.com/2007/05/27/hows-that-ms-office-native-odf-support-coming/#comment-809 What’s the difference? Until they give up the patent covenant, I will boycott Novell – MS’ attempt to circumvent the GPL is through Novell’s customers and contributors – cut those off and the attack vector is removed.

No muss, no fuss.

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By: Sebastiaan Veld http://techrights.org/2007/05/27/hows-that-ms-office-native-odf-support-coming/comment-page-2/#comment-808 Mon, 28 May 2007 18:14:53 +0000 http://boycottnovell.com/2007/05/27/hows-that-ms-office-native-odf-support-coming/#comment-808 @Roy: Then register (something like) giveupthepatentcovenant.com and redirect boycottnovell.com to that.

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By: Roy Schestowitz http://techrights.org/2007/05/27/hows-that-ms-office-native-odf-support-coming/comment-page-2/#comment-797 Sun, 27 May 2007 23:59:39 +0000 http://boycottnovell.com/2007/05/27/hows-that-ms-office-native-odf-support-coming/#comment-797 @ b3timmons: in the past we stressed that the domain name, which was chosen without much consideration, should have been something like giveupthepatentcovenant.com.

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By: b3timmons http://techrights.org/2007/05/27/hows-that-ms-office-native-odf-support-coming/comment-page-1/#comment-793 Sun, 27 May 2007 19:09:59 +0000 http://boycottnovell.com/2007/05/27/hows-that-ms-office-native-odf-support-coming/#comment-793 Most people who have spoken out against Novell do not seem to be mere rebels: there seems to be a genuine sense of betrayal, not at all typical of a rebel attitude.

I don’t understand why any success that Novell has is necessarily good. If it takes business from more legitimate free software providers such as Red Hat, Canonical, Sun, etc. then I think it’s bad; otherwise, maybe it’s good. Indeed, any success that is enabled by the patent agreement is despicable.

The argument that we should all just get along is wanting. Corporations should never be trusted unless it’s in black and white, so at best “getting along” is a tricky thing. The wariness about Novell is only excacerbated by the patent agreement, so I see no choice but to advise a boycott. I thought I read something about Microsoft or Novell stating that more about their deal would be revealed this November, so maybe at that time, the boycott could be re-evaluated.

Thanks to the efforts of boycottnovell.com, we have updated observations about _why_ Novell should be boycotted. boycottnovell.com bends over backward to even regularly say good things about Novell. The reason for the praise escapes me, but in any case, no one can accuse boycottnovell.com of never acknowledging good things about Novell.

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By: Shane Coyle http://techrights.org/2007/05/27/hows-that-ms-office-native-odf-support-coming/comment-page-1/#comment-791 Sun, 27 May 2007 17:24:23 +0000 http://boycottnovell.com/2007/05/27/hows-that-ms-office-native-odf-support-coming/#comment-791 It should be noted that, since they specifically say that MS would want out of the Linux distribution business before being bound by GPL3, they are implicitly acknowledging that they are Linux Distributors, bound by GPL2.

This was echoed by a commenter over on Dave Rosenberg’s announcement of the 10-K release. (you can’t link to a specific comment, but it’s the 2nd one – by "GreyGeek" – right after our very own Roy Schestowitz)

Nothing new was revealed in this article and some important information was left out.

First, Microsoft agrees not to sue those customers that purchase Novell’s SELS because, as the original agreement states, Novell is paying Microsoft a ROYALTY for EACH SELS that it sells. Ballmer calls it “the IP bridge” in the agreement. So, Novell is paying Microsoft for the privilege of selling its OWN product to its OWN customers, all the while denying that there is any MS IP in Linux. But, while Novell agrees not to sue Microsoft customers for any Novell IP that may be in MS products, Microsoft DOES NOT pay any royalties to Novell for its own products.

This is certainly a one-sided agreement, and I have no doubt the Hovsepian KNEW exactly what he was agreeing to, regardless of his subsequent disclaimers. This not to say that there IS any MS IP in Linux or FOSS. The USTPO & Congress has messed up the US patent scene so badly that it is more than likely ALL software violates someone’s IP patent. What is for sure is that Linux and FOSS have always developed their code IN PUBLIC and its source has always been available for inspection by anyone. No one can claim they “didn’t know” their IP was in Linux, while NO ONE can KNOW FOR SURE that their IP is NOT in Microsoft code, because it is secret. Microsoft was claiming IP violations by Linux two years ago, but has failed to bring court action. Patent law requires the holder to quickly inform the infringer exactly what is being infringed in order to mitigate damages, not run them up. It is now doubtful that Microsoft could sue for any of those claims they’ve been making for over two years.

Secondly, Microsoft is now A DISTRIBUTOR of Linux (SELS) and as such it must abide by the GPL or reqlinquish its rights to distribute. Part of that “abiding” is that since it claims that Linux contains it’s IP but it is now distributing Linux, those part of Linux that may have violated their IP are now under the GPL. Ballmer and Microsoft has KNOWN of this requirement since they began calling the GPL a “cancer” or a “virus” SEVEN YEARS AGO. The GPL states, in part:

“6. Each time you redistribute the Program (or any work based on the Program), the recipient automatically receives a license from the original licensor to copy, distribute or modify the Program subject to these terms and conditions. You may not impose any further restrictions on the recipients’ exercise of the rights granted herein. You are not responsible for enforcing compliance by third parties to this License.

7. If, as a consequence of a court judgment or allegation of patent infringement or for any other reason (not limited to patent issues), conditions are imposed on you (whether by court order, agreement or otherwise) that contradict the conditions of this License, they do not excuse you from the conditions of this License. If you cannot distribute so as to satisfy simultaneously your obligations under this License and any other pertinent obligations, then as a consequence you may not distribute the Program at all. For example, if a patent license would not permit royalty-free redistribution of the Program by all those who receive copies directly or indirectly through you, then the only way you could satisfy both it and this License would be to refrain entirely from distribution of the Program. ”

Microsoft owns their own IP. IF some of their IP is in Linux and they are distributing it under the GPL (the coupon trick is just a dodge), then they are placing their IP under the GPL.
Posted by: GreyGeek at May 26, 2007 11:01 AM

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By: James Gosling http://techrights.org/2007/05/27/hows-that-ms-office-native-odf-support-coming/comment-page-1/#comment-790 Sun, 27 May 2007 17:00:05 +0000 http://boycottnovell.com/2007/05/27/hows-that-ms-office-native-odf-support-coming/#comment-790 At a recent Novell roadshow the Novell consultants on-hand were all to happy to push using Wine to run windows apps on Linux and there were still regular digs at Microsoft. Novell are still committed to taking market share from Microsoft and Novell are agressively pushing their Novell Linux Desktop as a direct alternative to Windows. Although I have never been over-impressed with Novells marketing in the past I wish them all the best with this.

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By: James Gosling http://techrights.org/2007/05/27/hows-that-ms-office-native-odf-support-coming/comment-page-1/#comment-789 Sun, 27 May 2007 16:56:57 +0000 http://boycottnovell.com/2007/05/27/hows-that-ms-office-native-odf-support-coming/#comment-789 Novell are taking Linux and Open Source mainstream, it strikes me that some people in the community are too attached to being ‘rebels’ to accept the progress that is happening. Novells acquisition of SUSE was a very smart move, it’s deal with Microsoft… though it made us all choke on our popcorn for a moment or two, was also smart. Novell want market share and this will allow them to take it… from Redhat. Novell is no Microsoft lap-dog, this deal offers them more good than bad at present, if that balance alters all the cards will be back on the table, in the meantime they take market share… deal with it.

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By: Thomas Hansen http://techrights.org/2007/05/27/hows-that-ms-office-native-odf-support-coming/comment-page-1/#comment-788 Sun, 27 May 2007 15:47:30 +0000 http://boycottnovell.com/2007/05/27/hows-that-ms-office-native-odf-support-coming/#comment-788 This might be a bit off topic, but I think that instead of boycotting Novell we should not spend energy on fighting eachother but rather focus on what binds us…
Read my blog about the “Real Deal” here; http://ajaxwidgets.com/Blogs/thomas/microsoft_and_novell__the_real.bb

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