Comments on: How ODF is Like JDK: Why Microsoft Supports ODF 1.1 and Not ODF 1.2 (Corrected) http://techrights.org/2008/12/28/why-supports-odf-11-not-12/ Free Software Sentry – watching and reporting maneuvers of those threatened by software freedom Fri, 25 Nov 2016 09:41:40 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.9.14 By: Roy Schestowitz http://techrights.org/2008/12/28/why-supports-odf-11-not-12/comment-page-3/#comment-56778 Sun, 28 Dec 2008 17:37:07 +0000 http://boycottnovell.com/2008/12/28/why-supports-odf-11-not-12/#comment-56778 I agree. I wasn’t insulting your intelligence.

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By: AlexH http://techrights.org/2008/12/28/why-supports-odf-11-not-12/comment-page-3/#comment-56776 Sun, 28 Dec 2008 17:34:05 +0000 http://boycottnovell.com/2008/12/28/why-supports-odf-11-not-12/#comment-56776 No, but you’re implying that I was saying that ODF equates to a success for free software, which is entirely not what I was saying.

For free software to succeed it doesn’t need any kind of document standard whatsoever.

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By: Roy Schestowitz http://techrights.org/2008/12/28/why-supports-odf-11-not-12/comment-page-3/#comment-56775 Sun, 28 Dec 2008 17:31:54 +0000 http://boycottnovell.com/2008/12/28/why-supports-odf-11-not-12/#comment-56775 My comment still stands. :-)

It’s wonderful that ODF is adopted, but it’s just the first step.

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By: AlexH http://techrights.org/2008/12/28/why-supports-odf-11-not-12/comment-page-2/#comment-56774 Sun, 28 Dec 2008 17:29:26 +0000 http://boycottnovell.com/2008/12/28/why-supports-odf-11-not-12/#comment-56774 I said “triumph for the standard [ODF]“, not “triumph for standards”.

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By: Roy Schestowitz http://techrights.org/2008/12/28/why-supports-odf-11-not-12/comment-page-2/#comment-56773 Sun, 28 Dec 2008 17:21:17 +0000 http://boycottnovell.com/2008/12/28/why-supports-odf-11-not-12/#comment-56773 A triumph to standards though is not necessarily a triumph of Free software. Microsoft is just trying to block sales(services)/downloads of OOo.

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By: AlexH http://techrights.org/2008/12/28/why-supports-odf-11-not-12/comment-page-2/#comment-56771 Sun, 28 Dec 2008 17:08:33 +0000 http://boycottnovell.com/2008/12/28/why-supports-odf-11-not-12/#comment-56771 @Roy: what really worries me – and I mentioned this to Simon on his blog – is that OOo claims to be ODF 1.2 compliant, but cannot be: there are new features still being added – I pointed out one to do with numbering schemes.

There’s nothing wrong with implementing new features that standards bodies are working on (vendor extensions in CSS spring immediately to mind), so long as they are clearly marked as such. But to claim you implement a standard which isn’t ratified: that’s a huge problem. Standards have to mean something. If you start causing interop problems because you can’t accept docs from other apps, that will cause people to doubt the standard.

Personally, I feel if Microsoft get “complete” ODF 1.1 support, that will be a hugh triumph for the standard. It won’t be absolutely perfect by any means, and I’m sure people will poke holes in it, but I will bet significant amounts of money that by the time they ship they are the #2 ODF vendor behind OOo in terms of quality of implementation.

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By: Roy Schestowitz http://techrights.org/2008/12/28/why-supports-odf-11-not-12/comment-page-2/#comment-56769 Sun, 28 Dec 2008 17:02:55 +0000 http://boycottnovell.com/2008/12/28/why-supports-odf-11-not-12/#comment-56769 Fair point, Alex. Let’s see how it develops (or does not develop) in the future.

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By: AlexH http://techrights.org/2008/12/28/why-supports-odf-11-not-12/comment-page-2/#comment-56767 Sun, 28 Dec 2008 16:50:39 +0000 http://boycottnovell.com/2008/12/28/why-supports-odf-11-not-12/#comment-56767 Well, of course ODF 1.2 will have when it’s finished more features than 1.1. That goes without saying.

If you have a standard version of something, I’d prefer they implement the standard. 1.1 is forward compatible with 1.2 anyway, so it’s not like the rest of us lose out.

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By: Roy Schestowitz http://techrights.org/2008/12/28/why-supports-odf-11-not-12/comment-page-1/#comment-56765 Sun, 28 Dec 2008 16:48:09 +0000 http://boycottnovell.com/2008/12/28/why-supports-odf-11-not-12/#comment-56765 http://www.computerworld.com/action/article.do?command=viewArticleBasic&articleId=9089258&intsrc=hm_list

“With its move, “if a government says ODF is our standard, then Microsoft can say, ‘It’s our standard, too,’ ” Creese said. But why isn’t Microsoft committing to ODF 1.2? It’s supposed to have better accessibility and spreadsheet features than ODF 1.1.”

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By: AlexH http://techrights.org/2008/12/28/why-supports-odf-11-not-12/comment-page-1/#comment-56763 Sun, 28 Dec 2008 16:43:52 +0000 http://boycottnovell.com/2008/12/28/why-supports-odf-11-not-12/#comment-56763 It’s not the reaction from some Sun people, but they’re already claiming to be shipping ODF 1.2 as well.

Either way, I think saying you implement a standard before (*well before*) it’s even feature complete is a very dangerous game indeed. I don’t think I need to explain further why; it’s pretty obvious.

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By: Roy Schestowitz http://techrights.org/2008/12/28/why-supports-odf-11-not-12/comment-page-1/#comment-56761 Sun, 28 Dec 2008 16:38:22 +0000 http://boycottnovell.com/2008/12/28/why-supports-odf-11-not-12/#comment-56761 That’s not the reaction that came from ODF people.

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By: AlexH http://techrights.org/2008/12/28/why-supports-odf-11-not-12/comment-page-1/#comment-56757 Sun, 28 Dec 2008 16:23:35 +0000 http://boycottnovell.com/2008/12/28/why-supports-odf-11-not-12/#comment-56757 Encouraging Microsoft to implement their own version of an unfinished standard is tempting fate somewhat I suspect.

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By: Diamond Wakizashi http://techrights.org/2008/12/28/why-supports-odf-11-not-12/comment-page-1/#comment-56756 Sun, 28 Dec 2008 16:18:42 +0000 http://boycottnovell.com/2008/12/28/why-supports-odf-11-not-12/#comment-56756 Microsoft is pure evil and Novell is their bitch.

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