Comments on: Microsoft Insists on Receiving Payments for OOXML Use, Implementation http://techrights.org/2008/04/18/osp-microsoft-mocks-groklaw/ Free Software Sentry – watching and reporting maneuvers of those threatened by software freedom Fri, 25 Nov 2016 09:41:40 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.9.14 By: Victor Soliz http://techrights.org/2008/04/18/osp-microsoft-mocks-groklaw/comment-page-6/#comment-8274 Wed, 23 Apr 2008 03:18:51 +0000 http://boycottnovell.com/2008/04/18/osp-microsoft-mocks-groklaw/#comment-8274 Erdal Özgür: You sound as if cuss wasn’t being trollish here, I disagree.

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By: Roy Schestowitz http://techrights.org/2008/04/18/osp-microsoft-mocks-groklaw/comment-page-6/#comment-8206 Sun, 20 Apr 2008 14:01:50 +0000 http://boycottnovell.com/2008/04/18/osp-microsoft-mocks-groklaw/#comment-8206 Feel free to check other conversations with ‘cuss’:

http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=mozclient&q=site:boycottnovell.com+cuss

You’re not seeing the whole story.

By the way, use of identical addresses by two visitors is possible yet rare, and when both ‘separate’ users (nyms) from the same address are similarly abusive, have the same attitude and vocabulary (clear recurring patterns) and soon use Web proxies to enter the site, well…

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By: Erdal Özgür http://techrights.org/2008/04/18/osp-microsoft-mocks-groklaw/comment-page-6/#comment-8205 Sun, 20 Apr 2008 13:48:23 +0000 http://boycottnovell.com/2008/04/18/osp-microsoft-mocks-groklaw/#comment-8205 That does not satify my uneasines. IP s are dynamic.Coming form a country where free speech is not a tradition I don not sanctionate your behavior here. Good bye.

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By: Roy Schestowitz http://techrights.org/2008/04/18/osp-microsoft-mocks-groklaw/comment-page-6/#comment-8203 Sun, 20 Apr 2008 13:29:17 +0000 http://boycottnovell.com/2008/04/18/osp-microsoft-mocks-groklaw/#comment-8203 “cuss” uses the same IP address as “eet” (who nymshifted many times before and admitted this), he uses the same language, the same insults and there are other “cuss” threads (not just here) where it was stated and shown more clearly. It’s him.

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By: Erdal Özgür http://techrights.org/2008/04/18/osp-microsoft-mocks-groklaw/comment-page-6/#comment-8201 Sun, 20 Apr 2008 11:39:34 +0000 http://boycottnovell.com/2008/04/18/osp-microsoft-mocks-groklaw/#comment-8201 I think the problem as stevethefly has spoken to it is that we don know cuss =eet. Only we have y o u r word. What is it if you just say everybody who disagrees with you is to be this person and then kill him from the discussion. It looks very, very bad to me as a person who questions things.

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By: mini http://techrights.org/2008/04/18/osp-microsoft-mocks-groklaw/comment-page-5/#comment-8181 Sun, 20 Apr 2008 02:27:48 +0000 http://boycottnovell.com/2008/04/18/osp-microsoft-mocks-groklaw/#comment-8181 @stevetheFLY
How would you treat the person you already answered with self-explanatory wikipedia article and one subsequently asks the same question, again and again…

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By: Victor Soliz http://techrights.org/2008/04/18/osp-microsoft-mocks-groklaw/comment-page-5/#comment-8172 Sat, 19 Apr 2008 21:18:09 +0000 http://boycottnovell.com/2008/04/18/osp-microsoft-mocks-groklaw/#comment-8172 stevetheFLY: the guy is a troll and imho the site has been too benevolent on him, other blogs just delete posts altogether or don’t approve them.

Of all the guys that frequently make posts that are against the line of opinion for this blog, only eet is ‘silenced’ like this, the rest are made with respect and don’t have such history of just being lame and trying to divert attention so they aren’t.

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By: Roy Schestowitz http://techrights.org/2008/04/18/osp-microsoft-mocks-groklaw/comment-page-5/#comment-8161 Sat, 19 Apr 2008 13:46:41 +0000 http://boycottnovell.com/2008/04/18/osp-microsoft-mocks-groklaw/#comment-8161 What do you know about this guy?

http://boycottnovell.com/2007/11/22/eet-strommael-gmx-net/

He has been harassing (personal attacks) not only the editors but also other readers, who found him obnoxious, rude and disruptive. They politely asked for action to be taken. He is the only person ever to have received this type of treatment, having made some very vile remarks comparing us even to Nazis, if I recall correctly (not quite so explicitly though).

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By: stevetheFLY http://techrights.org/2008/04/18/osp-microsoft-mocks-groklaw/comment-page-5/#comment-8158 Sat, 19 Apr 2008 13:24:25 +0000 http://boycottnovell.com/2008/04/18/osp-microsoft-mocks-groklaw/#comment-8158 No – i meant you looked like sielncing him. You didn’t reply, you just shuthim up. Looks real, real bad. Like he was right and you didn’t see another way to solve this.

Note: comment has been flagged for arriving from a possible incarnation of known (eet), pseudonymous, forever-nymshifting, abusive Internet troll that posts from open proxies and relays around the world.

stevetheFLY: 80.132.128.196

eet: 80.132.139.19

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By: ZiggyFish http://techrights.org/2008/04/18/osp-microsoft-mocks-groklaw/comment-page-5/#comment-8138 Fri, 18 Apr 2008 22:23:37 +0000 http://boycottnovell.com/2008/04/18/osp-microsoft-mocks-groklaw/#comment-8138 I’ve got a better response for cuss:

The history of Microsoft, has always been about the bottom line, making money (everything they can get there hands on, while shitting on the competition at the same time). OpenOffice.org is backed by Sun (if I remember correctly), and is a big player in the Open Source movement (which Microsoft sees as competition). So any payments that would go to Microsoft would have to come from Sun. Which Sun isn’t going to publicly state anytime soon.

The good news is that if Sun (or any company that is implementing OOXML) does at any point publicly disclose an amount that is not [url=http://www.iso.org/iso/pressrelease/faqs_isoiec29500.htm]reasonable or discriminatory[/url]. ISO will withdraw the standard.

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By: Roy Schestowitz http://techrights.org/2008/04/18/osp-microsoft-mocks-groklaw/comment-page-4/#comment-8128 Fri, 18 Apr 2008 20:11:01 +0000 http://boycottnovell.com/2008/04/18/osp-microsoft-mocks-groklaw/#comment-8128 @stevetheFLY: please clarify. Is it the flagging you object to? Do you know what type of person we are dealing with here? Following the URLs would be just a start.

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By: Victor Soliz http://techrights.org/2008/04/18/osp-microsoft-mocks-groklaw/comment-page-4/#comment-8126 Fri, 18 Apr 2008 17:54:15 +0000 http://boycottnovell.com/2008/04/18/osp-microsoft-mocks-groklaw/#comment-8126 In all seriousness, I think groklaw’s article is quite strong, and it will be difficult to try to debunk all what’s said there. So I doubt the content of this blog post made the site look bad. You could complaint about the title, but the thing is .. that’s the ultimate reason MS does this.

MS’ plan.
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* Charging users for Office, that’s easy. 1st instance in which MS gets money because of OOXML.
* Charging ‘competitors’ for the contributions MS does to aid “interoperability”, does this with Novell already , I am foreseeing it will happen with apple.
* Charging developers for trying to implement OOXML: get to accept it, a single dev is not going to implement 6000 pages of poor documentation, so what’s he going to do? He downloads MS’ library for handling OOXML file. Too bad it is .net, so money does go to MS from then.

In the future MS, is just gonna make sure every document you save in OOXML comes with its set of extensions that will require anybody wanting to open it with his app to pay them royalties. You can’t blame MS for that though since they kinda got the permission to do that from both ECMA and ISO.

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By: Victor Soliz http://techrights.org/2008/04/18/osp-microsoft-mocks-groklaw/comment-page-4/#comment-8125 Fri, 18 Apr 2008 17:48:47 +0000 http://boycottnovell.com/2008/04/18/osp-microsoft-mocks-groklaw/#comment-8125 What’s “this” ?

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By: stevetheFLY http://techrights.org/2008/04/18/osp-microsoft-mocks-groklaw/comment-page-4/#comment-8123 Fri, 18 Apr 2008 16:24:24 +0000 http://boycottnovell.com/2008/04/18/osp-microsoft-mocks-groklaw/#comment-8123 Don’t get me wrong, I’m with you guys on freedom and so on – but this here just made you look kinda bad.

Note: comment has been flagged for arriving from a possible incarnation of known (eet), pseudonymous, forever-nymshifting, abusive Internet troll that posts from open proxies and relays around the world.

stevetheFLY: 80.132.128.196

eet: 80.132.139.19

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By: LinuxIsFun http://techrights.org/2008/04/18/osp-microsoft-mocks-groklaw/comment-page-4/#comment-8107 Fri, 18 Apr 2008 12:55:49 +0000 http://boycottnovell.com/2008/04/18/osp-microsoft-mocks-groklaw/#comment-8107 LOL pwned. Maybe they are coming from Redmond campus…He might be the VP or the Product Manager for MS Office

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By: LinuxIsFun http://techrights.org/2008/04/18/osp-microsoft-mocks-groklaw/comment-page-3/#comment-8106 Fri, 18 Apr 2008 12:54:43 +0000 http://boycottnovell.com/2008/04/18/osp-microsoft-mocks-groklaw/#comment-8106 LOL pwned. Maybe they are coming from Redmond campus…

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By: Victor Soliz http://techrights.org/2008/04/18/osp-microsoft-mocks-groklaw/comment-page-3/#comment-8105 Fri, 18 Apr 2008 12:22:50 +0000 http://boycottnovell.com/2008/04/18/osp-microsoft-mocks-groklaw/#comment-8105 eet, dude, how could you still be defending MS, that’s unbelievable.

Of course Microsoft is charging for OOXML implementation, at least it charges Novell. So what other proof do you need?

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By: cuss http://techrights.org/2008/04/18/osp-microsoft-mocks-groklaw/comment-page-3/#comment-8099 Fri, 18 Apr 2008 11:55:55 +0000 http://boycottnovell.com/2008/04/18/osp-microsoft-mocks-groklaw/#comment-8099 So you have found a way, you think, to escape this discussion. Congratulations, you sad, sad individual.

Note: comment has been flagged for arriving from an incarnation of a known (eet), pseudonymous, forever-nymshifting, abusive Internet troll that posts from open proxies and relays around the world.

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By: Roy Schestowitz http://techrights.org/2008/04/18/osp-microsoft-mocks-groklaw/comment-page-3/#comment-8097 Fri, 18 Apr 2008 11:39:56 +0000 http://boycottnovell.com/2008/04/18/osp-microsoft-mocks-groklaw/#comment-8097 So it’s you indeed (in a name outfit). The flagging starts.

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By: cuss http://techrights.org/2008/04/18/osp-microsoft-mocks-groklaw/comment-page-3/#comment-8095 Fri, 18 Apr 2008 11:36:06 +0000 http://boycottnovell.com/2008/04/18/osp-microsoft-mocks-groklaw/#comment-8095 You accusing me of being someone you obviously see unqualified to criticize you only indicates that you have run out of arguments in this discussion. Don’t expect me to tread on this path and let me be distracted from my point.

My point is: You are deliberately writing sensationalist nonsense. This is NOT what I expect from a self-appointed defener of freedom.

Note: comment has been flagged for arriving from a known (eet), pseudonymous, nymshifting, abusive Internet troll that posts from open proxies and relays around the world.

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