Comments on: Guest Post: Why Not Mono – Part II http://techrights.org/2008/09/20/mono-java-dotnet-analysis/ Free Software Sentry – watching and reporting maneuvers of those threatened by software freedom Fri, 25 Nov 2016 09:41:40 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.9.14 By: AlexH http://techrights.org/2008/09/20/mono-java-dotnet-analysis/comment-page-11/#comment-24645 Sun, 21 Sep 2008 19:57:03 +0000 http://boycottnovell.com/2008/09/20/mono-java-dotnet-analysis/#comment-24645 Previously denied what? It would help if you state your question.

I don’t see what elaboration you’re asking for. SFLC issued a statement about Microsoft’s Moonlight covenant. Mono, for obvious reasons, doesn’t rely on that covenant and actively avoids Microsoft patents. So the statement about the covenant doesn’t tell you anything about SFLC’s opinion on Mono.

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By: Roy Schestowitz http://techrights.org/2008/09/20/mono-java-dotnet-analysis/comment-page-11/#comment-24643 Sun, 21 Sep 2008 19:53:56 +0000 http://boycottnovell.com/2008/09/20/mono-java-dotnet-analysis/#comment-24643 Can you please elaborate on that? I ask this because you previously denied it, IIRC.

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By: AlexH http://techrights.org/2008/09/20/mono-java-dotnet-analysis/comment-page-11/#comment-24642 Sun, 21 Sep 2008 19:50:22 +0000 http://boycottnovell.com/2008/09/20/mono-java-dotnet-analysis/#comment-24642 I asked for Mono, not Moonlight. They’re separate projects, and I already agree with you that Moonlight has problems currently.

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By: Roy Schestowitz http://techrights.org/2008/09/20/mono-java-dotnet-analysis/comment-page-10/#comment-24641 Sun, 21 Sep 2008 19:43:56 +0000 http://boycottnovell.com/2008/09/20/mono-java-dotnet-analysis/#comment-24641 Sure, here you go.

http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20080528133529454

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By: AlexH http://techrights.org/2008/09/20/mono-java-dotnet-analysis/comment-page-10/#comment-24639 Sun, 21 Sep 2008 19:40:15 +0000 http://boycottnovell.com/2008/09/20/mono-java-dotnet-analysis/#comment-24639 I don’t see anything that the SFLC has published that relates to Mono. Do you care to offer a link to their opinion on Mono?

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By: Roy Schestowitz http://techrights.org/2008/09/20/mono-java-dotnet-analysis/comment-page-10/#comment-24631 Sun, 21 Sep 2008 18:34:27 +0000 http://boycottnovell.com/2008/09/20/mono-java-dotnet-analysis/#comment-24631 No, because you did not refute the SFLC.

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By: AlexH http://techrights.org/2008/09/20/mono-java-dotnet-analysis/comment-page-10/#comment-24630 Sun, 21 Sep 2008 18:32:10 +0000 http://boycottnovell.com/2008/09/20/mono-java-dotnet-analysis/#comment-24630 Why? Because you said so? Doesn’t wash, really.

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By: Dan O'Brian http://techrights.org/2008/09/20/mono-java-dotnet-analysis/comment-page-10/#comment-24629 Sun, 21 Sep 2008 18:31:58 +0000 http://boycottnovell.com/2008/09/20/mono-java-dotnet-analysis/#comment-24629 Which issues? All of your issues have been disproven.

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By: Roy Schestowitz http://techrights.org/2008/09/20/mono-java-dotnet-analysis/comment-page-9/#comment-24626 Sun, 21 Sep 2008 18:30:23 +0000 http://boycottnovell.com/2008/09/20/mono-java-dotnet-analysis/#comment-24626 The issues still stand.

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By: AlexH http://techrights.org/2008/09/20/mono-java-dotnet-analysis/comment-page-9/#comment-24623 Sun, 21 Sep 2008 18:23:27 +0000 http://boycottnovell.com/2008/09/20/mono-java-dotnet-analysis/#comment-24623 And that we know for sure because they’ve issued a statement about it: they’re worried about the issues surrounding XAML, which is fair enough. They can always include it later when the worries are worked out.

Note, though, that where they do have a worry, not only is the package not on discs they provide, but it’s also not in the repos.

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By: Roy Schestowitz http://techrights.org/2008/09/20/mono-java-dotnet-analysis/comment-page-9/#comment-24622 Sun, 21 Sep 2008 18:20:34 +0000 http://boycottnovell.com/2008/09/20/mono-java-dotnet-analysis/#comment-24622 And Monolight [sic]?

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By: AlexH http://techrights.org/2008/09/20/mono-java-dotnet-analysis/comment-page-9/#comment-24620 Sun, 21 Sep 2008 18:18:11 +0000 http://boycottnovell.com/2008/09/20/mono-java-dotnet-analysis/#comment-24620 @Roy: “we don’t know for sure” isn’t license to substitute your own opinion in place of the actual facts.

“We don’t know for sure” that the core of the moon isn’t cheese.

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By: Dan O'Brian http://techrights.org/2008/09/20/mono-java-dotnet-analysis/comment-page-9/#comment-24619 Sun, 21 Sep 2008 18:17:01 +0000 http://boycottnovell.com/2008/09/20/mono-java-dotnet-analysis/#comment-24619 I remember reading that gNewSense also ships Mono and refuse to drop it stating that Mono is no less-safe than other packages they ship.

(For those not in-the-know, gNewSense is the FSF-sponsored GNU/Linux distribution).

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By: Roy Schestowitz http://techrights.org/2008/09/20/mono-java-dotnet-analysis/comment-page-8/#comment-24618 Sun, 21 Sep 2008 18:16:33 +0000 http://boycottnovell.com/2008/09/20/mono-java-dotnet-analysis/#comment-24618 Maybe, but we don’t know this for sure. What about Moonlight? It’s the SFLC that looked it, remember?

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By: AlexH http://techrights.org/2008/09/20/mono-java-dotnet-analysis/comment-page-8/#comment-24617 Sun, 21 Sep 2008 18:13:42 +0000 http://boycottnovell.com/2008/09/20/mono-java-dotnet-analysis/#comment-24617 Divert attention? Er, no. I’m giving you an example which disproves your inference behind Fedora’s motives.

If Mono isn’t on the LiveCD I suggest that it’s rather more to do with trimming packages to fit into 660Mb with a variety of locales and languages than any FUD you’re throwing at it.

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By: Dan O'Brian http://techrights.org/2008/09/20/mono-java-dotnet-analysis/comment-page-8/#comment-24616 Sun, 21 Sep 2008 18:12:36 +0000 http://boycottnovell.com/2008/09/20/mono-java-dotnet-analysis/#comment-24616 As has been proven in the past whenever you point to Mr. Steadfast’s blog – he backs up his statements with irrefutable facts.

Just because you dismiss them simply because he works for Novell, doesn’t make his evidence untrue. Especially since any unaffiliated objective person can verify his proof.

Let’s take a look at history:

1. He wrote a blog entry about optimizing Mono’s I/O performance and discovered that in that particular case, it was faster than Java.

You badmouthed him saying that he was a liar. AlexH and Miles ran the tests and concluded that the numbers Mr. Steadfast gave were accurate.

Meanwhile, you refused to run the tests yourself, insisting that they were wrong and that anyone who ran the tests and found the data to be accurate were simply biased against Java.

2. There was another blog post he made about wishing he could have written a new IMAP backend/plugin/whatever for Evolution in C# because it would have saved him time and effort.

You posted your own article bashing him, GNOME, and Mono saying that Novell was forcing Mono into the core of GNOME.

Needless to say, you were once again proven to be wrong, not him.

3. He posted a blog entry debunking the myths about GNOME depending on Mono with factual evidence backing up his statements.

Once again, you were proven wrong.

Does anyone else see a pattern, here? Because I certainly do.

Roy is consistently proven wrong, again and again.

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By: Roy Schestowitz http://techrights.org/2008/09/20/mono-java-dotnet-analysis/comment-page-8/#comment-24615 Sun, 21 Sep 2008 18:11:29 +0000 http://boycottnovell.com/2008/09/20/mono-java-dotnet-analysis/#comment-24615 MP3 is another ‘evil’, but don’t introduce other issues to divert attention.

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By: AlexH http://techrights.org/2008/09/20/mono-java-dotnet-analysis/comment-page-8/#comment-24614 Sun, 21 Sep 2008 18:09:24 +0000 http://boycottnovell.com/2008/09/20/mono-java-dotnet-analysis/#comment-24614 We know about Moonlight, and that’s fair enough criticism.

“No Mono in Fedora 10″ is obviously untrue, though. Whether or not it’s on which disc doesn’t seem clear, and even if it’s not in the default install that provides you precisely no legal protection. If it were otherwise, they would ship MP3 support etc.

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By: Roy Schestowitz http://techrights.org/2008/09/20/mono-java-dotnet-analysis/comment-page-7/#comment-24611 Sun, 21 Sep 2008 18:02:28 +0000 http://boycottnovell.com/2008/09/20/mono-java-dotnet-analysis/#comment-24611 Well, you have more concrete stuff, such as:

http://boycottnovell.com/2008/08/15/no-mono-in-fedora-10/
http://boycottnovell.com/2008/06/02/fedora-no-moonlight/

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By: Dan O'Brian http://techrights.org/2008/09/20/mono-java-dotnet-analysis/comment-page-7/#comment-24610 Sun, 21 Sep 2008 18:00:40 +0000 http://boycottnovell.com/2008/09/20/mono-java-dotnet-analysis/#comment-24610 AlexH: Roy thinks he’s smarter than everyone else, including lawyers who actually know and understand law.

As you proved a few weeks ago, Roy doesn’t even comprehend a simple aspect of copyright law, nevermind something more complicated like patent law.

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