Comments on: Is YouTube’s “NovellVideo” a Novell AstroTurfer? http://techrights.org/2008/10/07/novellvideo-youtube-suspicion/ Free Software Sentry – watching and reporting maneuvers of those threatened by software freedom Fri, 25 Nov 2016 09:41:40 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.9.14 By: Ross http://techrights.org/2008/10/07/novellvideo-youtube-suspicion/comment-page-12/#comment-39867 Fri, 28 Nov 2008 15:55:31 +0000 http://boycottnovell.com/2008/10/07/novellvideo-youtube-suspicion/#comment-39867 Well, that was an interesting read, both the immensely paranoid original posting and all the lively commentary.

For the record, NovellVideo was created and is being populated for one thing, and one thing only: To have a semi-official place where all the fun and interesting videos that have come out of Novell over the years can be found and consumed.

Anyone attempting to find more than that can have fun, but there are no ulterior motives, just good fun and a thank-you nod to all our customers looking for videos they have seen at Brainshare or other Novell events past.

Ross

+++ ATH0

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By: Roy Schestowitz http://techrights.org/2008/10/07/novellvideo-youtube-suspicion/comment-page-12/#comment-26583 Thu, 09 Oct 2008 19:35:51 +0000 http://boycottnovell.com/2008/10/07/novellvideo-youtube-suspicion/#comment-26583 No comments were deleted.

Comments with vile insults were queued to appear later, sometimes week after they were posted. Here you are admitting that you are ‘eet’, the only person whose messages were flagged (not deleted).

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By: landofbind http://techrights.org/2008/10/07/novellvideo-youtube-suspicion/comment-page-11/#comment-26576 Thu, 09 Oct 2008 17:34:25 +0000 http://boycottnovell.com/2008/10/07/novellvideo-youtube-suspicion/#comment-26576

There was no intention to censor. We haven’t done it since the start (2 years ago) and it was /far/ worse about a year ago. I just didn’t feed the trolls by replying to them (and Dan O’Brian is not a “troll”… I’m talking about very abusive messages here and I can provide examples).

To clarify, so that no one thinks this is true, Roy Schestowitz has deleted several posts of mine!

And if by “abusive messages” he is referring to comments showing his lying, abusive, fearmogering articles. And his inability to provide answers when confronted with difficult questions.

The only proofs that he provides are “comments” by friends and his own articles.

Note: comment has been flagged for arriving from an incarnation of a known (eet), pseudonymous, forever-nymshifting, abusive Internet troll that posts from open proxies and relays around the world.

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By: AlexH http://techrights.org/2008/10/07/novellvideo-youtube-suspicion/comment-page-11/#comment-26538 Thu, 09 Oct 2008 14:22:17 +0000 http://boycottnovell.com/2008/10/07/novellvideo-youtube-suspicion/#comment-26538 I was going to write the same under today’s IRC logs; Roy deserves credit for at least asking that the puppet show stop.

FWIW, I’m a long time slashdot poster (as in, I have a low uid, but I don’t visit there much), and I think you have to accept that it’s not read just by free software fans. It’s a tech blog, and has a large number of Microsoft fans too, which reflects in the moderation. As do the Mac fanboys.

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By: Dan O'Brian http://techrights.org/2008/10/07/novellvideo-youtube-suspicion/comment-page-11/#comment-26536 Thu, 09 Oct 2008 14:16:58 +0000 http://boycottnovell.com/2008/10/07/novellvideo-youtube-suspicion/#comment-26536 gah, that pasted badly.

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By: Dan O'Brian http://techrights.org/2008/10/07/novellvideo-youtube-suspicion/comment-page-11/#comment-26535 Thu, 09 Oct 2008 14:16:15 +0000 http://boycottnovell.com/2008/10/07/novellvideo-youtube-suspicion/#comment-26535

schestowitz Someone asks you a Q: http://boycottnovell.com/2008/10/07/novell… Oct 08 04:29
twitter I’m not going for it. Part of showing up the assholes is how much effort they put into tracking me down, a form of targeted harassment. Answering a question like that would be an admission of which accounts are mine. Oct 08 04:33
schestowitz Stop using mutiple accounts. Oct 08 04:34
schestowitz Stick with one, neglect the rest. You give them ammunition by playing their tricks. Oct 08 04:35
twitter What and be limited to two posts a day? Oct 08 04:35
twitter or less? Oct 08 04:35
twitter let them have the site without effort? Oct 08 04:35

So, it is true. Xanadu is aka twitter. Just another sockpuppet as suspected.

I have to commend Roy for being against this sockpuppetry though. Thanks Roy.

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By: Roy Schestowitz http://techrights.org/2008/10/07/novellvideo-youtube-suspicion/comment-page-11/#comment-26437 Wed, 08 Oct 2008 13:26:19 +0000 http://boycottnovell.com/2008/10/07/novellvideo-youtube-suspicion/#comment-26437 No, it’s comments like that I had in mind. People urged me to delete them, but I never did.

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By: Dan O'Brian http://techrights.org/2008/10/07/novellvideo-youtube-suspicion/comment-page-10/#comment-26435 Wed, 08 Oct 2008 13:14:22 +0000 http://boycottnovell.com/2008/10/07/novellvideo-youtube-suspicion/#comment-26435 Roy: then I was confused because you linked to my post in particular. If I was wrong, I apologize.

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By: Roy Schestowitz http://techrights.org/2008/10/07/novellvideo-youtube-suspicion/comment-page-10/#comment-26434 Wed, 08 Oct 2008 12:48:41 +0000 http://boycottnovell.com/2008/10/07/novellvideo-youtube-suspicion/#comment-26434 There was no intention to censor. We haven’t done it since the start (2 years ago) and it was /far/ worse about a year ago. I just didn’t feed the trolls by replying to them (and Dan O’Brian is not a “troll”… I’m talking about very abusive messages here and I can provide examples).

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By: Ian http://techrights.org/2008/10/07/novellvideo-youtube-suspicion/comment-page-10/#comment-26432 Wed, 08 Oct 2008 12:37:52 +0000 http://boycottnovell.com/2008/10/07/novellvideo-youtube-suspicion/#comment-26432 [i]Good to see that Roy is going to start censoring me:[/i]

That would be pretty lame. I’ve defended this website’s existence in the past even though I don’t agree with with much of the message and don’t understand how a Novell boycott site has far more to do with ooxml and microsoft than Novell. However, I feel if comments or implications are levied at companies or individuals, whoever they may be, then those comments should and can be scrutinized. There’s a difference, in my mind, between someone scrutinizing this website and someone just trolling the website. Dan and AlexH at least bring constructive arguments to the table. To squash posts like that would do nothing to legitimize this site.

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By: Dan O'Brian http://techrights.org/2008/10/07/novellvideo-youtube-suspicion/comment-page-10/#comment-26431 Wed, 08 Oct 2008 12:32:00 +0000 http://boycottnovell.com/2008/10/07/novellvideo-youtube-suspicion/#comment-26431 Since the quote you added doesn’t actually change the meaning of the quote I posted, it’s not taken out of context and therefor is not dishonest.

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By: Dan O'Brian http://techrights.org/2008/10/07/novellvideo-youtube-suspicion/comment-page-10/#comment-26430 Wed, 08 Oct 2008 12:30:38 +0000 http://boycottnovell.com/2008/10/07/novellvideo-youtube-suspicion/#comment-26430 Well, I’m glad you decided that /later/, but the only discussion I saw of it was the snippet I pasted.

Yes, you also said “I’ve never deleted comments before” (emphasis mine), but even put in context with the quote I pasted above, suggests that you were going to start and indeed that’s exactly what the other comment insinuates on its own. If that is not what you meant, then why did you say it?

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By: Roy Schestowitz http://techrights.org/2008/10/07/novellvideo-youtube-suspicion/comment-page-9/#comment-26429 Wed, 08 Oct 2008 12:25:04 +0000 http://boycottnovell.com/2008/10/07/novellvideo-youtube-suspicion/#comment-26429 Not “going to”. You’re quoting it out of context and that’s dishonest.

We never deleted comments (other than spam).”

Later on, IIRC (maybe last night or the day before), I made it clear and got reaffirmations for refusing to ever delete comments as that would reduce our credibility.

I have no intentions to change this ‘policy’ and Shane agrees. Not even comments with obscenities are deleted.

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By: Dan O'Brian http://techrights.org/2008/10/07/novellvideo-youtube-suspicion/comment-page-9/#comment-26428 Wed, 08 Oct 2008 12:05:34 +0000 http://boycottnovell.com/2008/10/07/novellvideo-youtube-suspicion/#comment-26428 Good to see that Roy is going to start censoring me: http://boycottnovell.com/2008/10/07/irc-log-07102008/#tOct%2007%2013:20:46

schestowitz: I think I might adopt a GL-like policy and start kicking out trolls. http://boycottnovell.com/2008/10/07/novellvideo-y…

He knows that unless he starts deleting my comments, his position is hurt because I keep proving that he’s a hypocrite and I’m one of the people that keep disproving his lies. Next he’ll start deleting AlexH’s comments.

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By: BuckleDown http://techrights.org/2008/10/07/novellvideo-youtube-suspicion/comment-page-9/#comment-26404 Wed, 08 Oct 2008 04:32:43 +0000 http://boycottnovell.com/2008/10/07/novellvideo-youtube-suspicion/#comment-26404 Oh this is interesting. I guess I didn’t look closer before.

@twitter: Can you explain how you are “Showing up M$ astroturfing” in these threads, which are alleged to be posted with multiple accounts all controlled by you:

http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=616313&cid=24217943
http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=986049&cid=25269343
http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=619653&cid=24257589

Looks to me like something very different is going on there.

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By: Roy Schestowitz http://techrights.org/2008/10/07/novellvideo-youtube-suspicion/comment-page-9/#comment-26399 Wed, 08 Oct 2008 03:56:47 +0000 http://boycottnovell.com/2008/10/07/novellvideo-youtube-suspicion/#comment-26399 It’s action, not association. Novell signed a patent deal which it intended to use to its advantage.It’s Novell that approached Microsoft to sign this deal.

…among other things like OOXML agreements, privileged hypervisor access, Mono, etc.

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By: BuckleDown http://techrights.org/2008/10/07/novellvideo-youtube-suspicion/comment-page-9/#comment-26398 Wed, 08 Oct 2008 03:53:27 +0000 http://boycottnovell.com/2008/10/07/novellvideo-youtube-suspicion/#comment-26398 > I stand by what I wrote at the time. Novell chose a different route later.

OK. Did I provide enough of an example about the association thing? You didn’t actually say anything about that.

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By: michael http://techrights.org/2008/10/07/novellvideo-youtube-suspicion/comment-page-8/#comment-26397 Wed, 08 Oct 2008 03:40:30 +0000 http://boycottnovell.com/2008/10/07/novellvideo-youtube-suspicion/#comment-26397 I have to agree, Xanadu’s “guilt by association” attack is a bit hypocritical.

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By: Roy Schestowitz http://techrights.org/2008/10/07/novellvideo-youtube-suspicion/comment-page-8/#comment-26392 Wed, 08 Oct 2008 03:03:46 +0000 http://boycottnovell.com/2008/10/07/novellvideo-youtube-suspicion/#comment-26392

May I remind you of your public record on Novell before they started their association with Microsoft?

http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=144488&cid=12107575

I stand by what I wrote at the time. Novell chose a different route later.

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By: BuckleDown http://techrights.org/2008/10/07/novellvideo-youtube-suspicion/comment-page-8/#comment-26388 Wed, 08 Oct 2008 02:57:08 +0000 http://boycottnovell.com/2008/10/07/novellvideo-youtube-suspicion/#comment-26388 Examples of… what? How you pummel Novell for their association with Microsoft? How you harp on anyone and anything that has anything remotely to do with Microsoft?

May I remind you of your public record on Novell before they started their association with Microsoft?

http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=144488&cid=12107575

BTW, for anyone who’s wondering what’s up with this ‘twitter’ guy from Slashdot, this is required (and entertaining) reading:

http://slashdot.org/~willyhill/journal/205317

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