Comments on: Astroturfing Examples: Learning How Microsoft Tames the Internet http://techrights.org/2007/11/23/astroturfing-microsoft-examples/ Free Software Sentry – watching and reporting maneuvers of those threatened by software freedom Fri, 25 Nov 2016 09:41:40 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.9.14 By: Roy Schestowitz http://techrights.org/2007/11/23/astroturfing-microsoft-examples/comment-page-1/#comment-17839 Sun, 03 Aug 2008 04:50:37 +0000 http://boycottnovell.com/2007/11/23/astroturfing-microsoft-examples/#comment-17839 Here is a very recent example. Watch the second reference to Open Sources.

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By: Penguin Pete http://techrights.org/2007/11/23/astroturfing-microsoft-examples/comment-page-1/#comment-17833 Sun, 03 Aug 2008 04:31:44 +0000 http://boycottnovell.com/2007/11/23/astroturfing-microsoft-examples/#comment-17833 > “I’ve personally seen cases where Microsoft employees in disguise attacked the authors of open source blogs. It was only IP address lookups that revealed this.”

Hey, can you share with us how to do this? What IP address range means “confirmed asstroturfer”? I’d love to catch one more often.

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By: Jim Powers http://techrights.org/2007/11/23/astroturfing-microsoft-examples/comment-page-1/#comment-3472 Fri, 23 Nov 2007 16:19:42 +0000 http://boycottnovell.com/2007/11/23/astroturfing-microsoft-examples/#comment-3472 > In Linux also, we also have Evangelism

Yes, no doubt. It may be possible that RedHat, Novell, etc. might be out there astroturfing (if this is what you are implying) as well, but somehow I don’t think that such a practice would go all that far. Everyone commits the “sin” of evangelizing “their side”, but Microsoft is (and has always been) engaging in activities far away from mere evangelism.

Look, I use Linux at home exclusively, my whole family does, even the kids, I have been able to “make the case” for Linux at work and now we have begun the transition. This “argument” was won on technical merits: there is simply no compelling reason to stick with MS for web sites. Linux and the FLOSS community as well as access to the SOURCE code provides more benefits than the alternatives. My arguments have so far proven correct. The “argument” was won on technical merit. Generally speaking FLOSS wins easily when the technical arguments can be made. Does FLOSS have problems? Sure. The difference that that there are a million ways to address these problems. Some of the more popular solutions become common, but that does not mean that niche solutions cease to exist. For instance I use fluxbox on my desktop, but the rest of my family use Gnome (sorry Roy, perhaps KDE 4.0 will change that). Gnome and KDE get most of the lime-light, but there are still tools out there for serious quacks like myself. An interesting aspect about “evangelizing” in the FLOSS universe is this: a bumper-crop of choice: including going your own way. Because of this the technical merits of various and sundry approaches need to come to the forefront, not the relationship with some company in some part of the world.

In short Linux (especially on the desktop) still has problems, but consider the fact that in Linux we have several competitive desktop environments DESPITE the fact the Microsoft has done everything in their power to have hardware vendors NOT help FLOSS development at every turn. Consider where we would be if such unethical/illegal practice was not in place: there simply would be no MS monopoly. We would all have numerous, interoperable solutions available from many vendors all in constant, productive development. Also, the barrier to entry for new competition would be very small, helping to maximize investment. Furthermore, there would be no true notion of obsolescence: organizations would be able to maintain systems indefinitely because there would always be someone available to pay to support an arbitrary hardware build-out.

The world has so much to gain by the dismantlement of MS and the destructive legal, social, and economic “ecosystem” it has created. The collective benefit to society once talented individuals can be unshackled from the leg of the dinner table where today they are thrown scraps is astounding. The economic and creative upside is far greater than the stultifying vision offered by the likes of Microsoft and Apple.

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By: Tercume http://techrights.org/2007/11/23/astroturfing-microsoft-examples/comment-page-1/#comment-3460 Fri, 23 Nov 2007 11:29:06 +0000 http://boycottnovell.com/2007/11/23/astroturfing-microsoft-examples/#comment-3460 Nice article!

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By: John Vincent http://techrights.org/2007/11/23/astroturfing-microsoft-examples/comment-page-1/#comment-3457 Fri, 23 Nov 2007 10:57:42 +0000 http://boycottnovell.com/2007/11/23/astroturfing-microsoft-examples/#comment-3457 Hmm. Yes. ugly.

At least the Mircosoft-doc doesn’t read too bad: “It is our blah that those choosing blah are presented with overwhelming evidence and reasoned argument in favor of our standards… We do this by understanding the barriers that might otherwise prevent the developer from adopting our standards and removing them.”

It’s morally wrong to have fake blogs; promotion of products in newsgroups etc. but it is what every company does (including mine) these days. It’s unfortunate but if the competition plays on that field, you gotta play, too.

In Linux also, we also have
Evangelism

;-)

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