Comments on: Microsoft Buys Market Share, But Still Loses Due to Technical Problems http://techrights.org/2009/03/23/microsoft-buys-market-share/ Free Software Sentry – watching and reporting maneuvers of those threatened by software freedom Fri, 25 Nov 2016 09:41:40 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.9.14 By: Roy Schestowitz http://techrights.org/2009/03/23/microsoft-buys-market-share/comment-page-1/#comment-60878 Tue, 24 Mar 2009 20:08:10 +0000 http://boycottnovell.com/?p=7289#comment-60878 @Yggdrasil

Billions of devices were sold. Many run Linux.

According to one source that I came across, only 2% of the chips (processors) target desktops.

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By: Yggdrasil http://techrights.org/2009/03/23/microsoft-buys-market-share/comment-page-1/#comment-60877 Tue, 24 Mar 2009 18:49:29 +0000 http://boycottnovell.com/?p=7289#comment-60877 60% of servers run Linux. That’s interesting, but I wasn’t talking only about servers and neither was Dan Geer. Let’s keep going though….

Let’s look at this CNET article from 2002 (http://news.cnet.com/2100-1040-940713.html)

1 billion PCs shipped worldwide since the mid 1970s:
81.5 % Desktops
16.4 % Laptops
2.1 % Servers

Of those 2.1% that were servers, 60% could be have been running Linux (or some other Unix variant). Impressive, but only when looking solely at servers and ignoring the rest.

This is why Linux can be called obscure, because like many, including Dan Geer, I was looking at the entire spectrum of computers when I used this adjective.

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By: Roy Schestowitz http://techrights.org/2009/03/23/microsoft-buys-market-share/comment-page-1/#comment-60873 Tue, 24 Mar 2009 17:48:45 +0000 http://boycottnovell.com/?p=7289#comment-60873 @Yggdrasil

GNU/Linux is not obscure. It powers many servers for example.

“Forty percent of servers run Windows, 60 percent run Linux…”

Steve Ballmer (September 2008)

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By: Yggdrasil http://techrights.org/2009/03/23/microsoft-buys-market-share/comment-page-1/#comment-60872 Tue, 24 Mar 2009 17:43:19 +0000 http://boycottnovell.com/?p=7289#comment-60872 Hmm… “peers” is a highly subjective term. Looks to me he’s only respected by anti-microsoft zealots. While he was critical of Microsoft’s “monopoly”, his paper was light on real technical details. Some of his arguments, “patching adds more complexity = more bugs”, are only applied to Microsoft while ignoring everyone else. A highly engineered troll paper to be sure, but still a troll. I can see why he was fired. Research with bias isn’t research at all, it’s deceptive propaganda. While I’m certain this was the reason he was terminated, I’m sure you can cook up a good conspiracy theory to refute it.

What I find cute, is his argument that windows is a security risk because of it’s dominance. I actually agree with this, but it is in direct conflict with many Linux zealots who claim that Linux security does NOT come from it’s obscurity. Maybe just sweep that one under the carpet.

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By: Yggdrasil http://techrights.org/2009/03/23/microsoft-buys-market-share/comment-page-1/#comment-60871 Tue, 24 Mar 2009 17:14:03 +0000 http://boycottnovell.com/?p=7289#comment-60871 Wait a minute. You seriously claim that Microsoft told the public 66% of Windows machines were part of a bot-net? Can you provide a single citation for this? Where did you get this number from? If Microsoft is as evil, sneaky, and vindictive as you claim…. why would they release such a damaging figure as 66%? Wouldn’t they try to cover it up?

Also, as noted by another comment below, ReactOS is alpha software. I’ve used it myself. It’s not stable enough, nor is it compatible enough to be used for anything serious, much less a full replacement for WindowsNT based systems. Your comments tend to suggest you have no practical experience using ReactOS, but since it’s not made by Microsoft that automatically makes it superior.

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By: Roy Schestowitz http://techrights.org/2009/03/23/microsoft-buys-market-share/comment-page-1/#comment-60870 Tue, 24 Mar 2009 17:11:03 +0000 http://boycottnovell.com/?p=7289#comment-60870 @Yggdrasil

Dan Geer is well known to his peers.

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By: Yggdrasil http://techrights.org/2009/03/23/microsoft-buys-market-share/comment-page-1/#comment-60869 Tue, 24 Mar 2009 17:00:48 +0000 http://boycottnovell.com/?p=7289#comment-60869 Highly respected by who, you? That isn’t enough to be considered credible. Again, we need to know the methods used and the motivation behind the research.

Vint Cerf’s actual estimate was between 100 and 150 million. That’s a pretty rough estimate, and it’s safe to assume this was done without any real research.

The 40% figure was repeated by several news publications, but again, none of them questioned the reliability of this figure, nor did they compare it to other estimates.

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By: twitter http://techrights.org/2009/03/23/microsoft-buys-market-share/comment-page-1/#comment-60851 Tue, 24 Mar 2009 05:52:24 +0000 http://boycottnovell.com/?p=7289#comment-60851 It is better to be free when you can be. When Wine works, it is superior to an OS that requires licensing, network registration and other headaches. It is true that M$ and non free software companies make it hard to use their software outside of Windows, but even difficult programs like AutoCAD and World of Warcraft now work with Wine. It has been a while since I looked at freeDOS, but it was already “Not your fathers” DOS back in 2004. I expect ReactOS to eclipse XP sooner than later. For many practical purposes, Wine is already there.

It is a shame to hear that ReactOS is not “ready”. It looks good in Wikipedia. It will be nice when ReactOS is a reasonable substitute for W2K or XP for VM legacy program support.

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By: aBNreader http://techrights.org/2009/03/23/microsoft-buys-market-share/comment-page-2/#comment-60840 Tue, 24 Mar 2009 00:23:30 +0000 http://boycottnovell.com/?p=7289#comment-60840 Roy* Sorry for the typo.

Hey, Go-ooo is also in the list of summer of code-benefited projects.

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By: Roy Schestowitz http://techrights.org/2009/03/23/microsoft-buys-market-share/comment-page-2/#comment-60838 Tue, 24 Mar 2009 00:16:24 +0000 http://boycottnovell.com/?p=7289#comment-60838 Had it been OLPC, I would not have been shocked because of the Microsoft influence, but Sugar?!?!

Look no further than TomTom and FAT.

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By: aBNreader http://techrights.org/2009/03/23/microsoft-buys-market-share/comment-page-2/#comment-60837 Tue, 24 Mar 2009 00:11:39 +0000 http://boycottnovell.com/?p=7289#comment-60837 Hi Rod, this is OT, but I just wanted to mention, I was taking a look to google SoC projects and ideas, seems plenty of google money will go into making OSS more dependent on .net. This is however a notable one:
http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/DevelopmentTeam/ProjectIdeas

Yeah sugar wants more Mono.

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By: jocaferro http://techrights.org/2009/03/23/microsoft-buys-market-share/comment-page-1/#comment-60835 Tue, 24 Mar 2009 00:01:34 +0000 http://boycottnovell.com/?p=7289#comment-60835 Nice. :)

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By: Roy Schestowitz http://techrights.org/2009/03/23/microsoft-buys-market-share/comment-page-1/#comment-60834 Mon, 23 Mar 2009 22:21:09 +0000 http://boycottnovell.com/?p=7289#comment-60834 The goods are here.

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By: David Gerard http://techrights.org/2009/03/23/microsoft-buys-market-share/comment-page-1/#comment-60832 Mon, 23 Mar 2009 22:12:44 +0000 http://boycottnovell.com/?p=7289#comment-60832 Ooh, nested comments? What’s the extension for this?

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By: Roy Schestowitz http://techrights.org/2009/03/23/microsoft-buys-market-share/comment-page-1/#comment-60829 Mon, 23 Mar 2009 20:02:55 +0000 http://boycottnovell.com/?p=7289#comment-60829 David,

But Wine is more of a complement, not an environment to crucially rely on. ReactOS uses Wine too.

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By: David Gerard http://techrights.org/2009/03/23/microsoft-buys-market-share/comment-page-1/#comment-60828 Mon, 23 Mar 2009 19:55:34 +0000 http://boycottnovell.com/?p=7289#comment-60828 Calling ReactOS a better Windows is just a little premature, considering it’s officially a developer alpha not yet for user consumption. Even Wine is just getting there. They will get there, by the inexorable march of science over alchemy … but not yet.

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By: twitter http://techrights.org/2009/03/23/microsoft-buys-market-share/comment-page-1/#comment-60820 Mon, 23 Mar 2009 17:21:39 +0000 http://boycottnovell.com/?p=7289#comment-60820 Windows infection rates have been estimated by M$ themselves as 66%, but there is no practical difference between 25, 40 or 99%. What matters is that Windows is a security failure that can’t be trusted. Retailers can never be sure if their visitors are real customers or criminals who have collected credentials. Customers can never be sure their computer is worthy of trust. Many of the problems hampering electronic commerce can be traced back to Windows on the desktop. It is a weak link in privacy as well. No reasonable person will trust such a flawed OS with their money or personal details.

There’s really no excuse for this. As covered by the link above, M$ likes to blame the user. They also like to blame the “popularity” of their OS, but exploits peculiar to Vista and Windows 7 prove this a lie because both have low market share and prospects of gaining any. M$ has had all the money in the word for decades and they proclaim each new version of Windows to be safe for commerce. Their continued failure to make an OS that people can trust can be attributed to their tremendous arrogance and the non sustainable nature of non free software as a development model. For decades they have ripped off the software world and crammed the pieces into their ancient Windows framework. Others have done better with free software, even at creating DOS (Free DOS) and Windows (ReactOS). Shame on M$ for squandering their position and everyone else time and money.

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By: Roy Schestowitz http://techrights.org/2009/03/23/microsoft-buys-market-share/comment-page-1/#comment-60804 Mon, 23 Mar 2009 14:57:33 +0000 http://boycottnovell.com/?p=7289#comment-60804 Yggdrasil,

The highly respected Mr. Geer set his estimate at 25% several years ago.

Around 2007, Vint Cerf said that his estimate was 150 million. This was covered in many publications including the BBC.

The 40% figure was covered in several publications including USA Today.

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By: Yggdrasil http://techrights.org/2009/03/23/microsoft-buys-market-share/comment-page-1/#comment-60802 Mon, 23 Mar 2009 14:33:16 +0000 http://boycottnovell.com/?p=7289#comment-60802 You keep throwing around this 40% infection rate, but it doesn’t seem to be a reliable figure. That percentage was given by the Rick Wesson, the CEO of a company called Support Intelligence. No article I could find mentions just how Support Intelligence gathered this data or any other details about it. Even their own website lacks details about their study. One thing is for certain, 40% certainly makes for a scary headline and a great way to boost sales for the company.

Competitors like Damballa suggest 3% to 5% of enterprise assets are compromised by bot-driven targeted attack malware. Others like PandaLabs report an 11% infection rate across the board. These seem to be much more sensible figures. How do you account for these discrepancies? When a company is selling security, can you really trust them to tell you just how safe you are without their paid protection?

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