Comments on: SpeC#ulation: Tipping Point for GNOME?

By: True_Friend

True_Friend — Sat, 20 Sep 2008 00:04:14 +0000

Thanks for C# and Mono, I am now using Gnome instead of KDE. Love in it. Great language and great DE.

By: Roy Schestowitz

Roy Schestowitz — Mon, 28 Apr 2008 04:16:32 +0000

Microsoft is actively trying to destroy Java (always has) and I merely point out here that GNOME is used by it to achieve this goal. I receive some E-mails I can’t share in public, but it’s clear what games Microsoft is up to.

By: Dan O'Brian

Dan O'Brian — Mon, 28 Apr 2008 03:11:03 +0000

What’s so wrong about C# bindings being mentioned on the gtk.org site?

The bindings aren’t being “promoted” as you try to claim they are, they are simply listed as part of a complete list of usable bindings for the GNOME platform for any developer who visits the site to find out what bindings are available.

I don’t see any text anywhere saying “we prefer you use C# bindings over Python, Java or C++”. So where is this “promoting” of which you speak?

This is why you are a lying sack of shit, Roy.

You are constantly making false accusations in order to try and ruin GNOME’s good image. For someone who claims to be bringing the truth to everyone’s attention, you’ve done a pretty piss poor job of it. You aren’t trying to make people aware of the truth, you are trying to make people see your own warped view of the free software community. You play yourself off as some morally superior, “fighting FUD” to save users from themselves yet you use FUD yourself in order to convey your message – talk about hypocrisy.

By: Roy Schestowitz

Roy Schestowitz — Thu, 24 Apr 2008 22:00:45 +0000

Does that distro have a patent royalties deal with Microsoft?

By: stevetheFLY

stevetheFLY — Thu, 24 Apr 2008 15:54:28 +0000

For a detailed explanation see: http://tinyurl.com/no2yg Note: comment has been flagged for arriving from a possible incarnation of known (eet), pseudonymous, forever-nymshifting, abusive Internet troll that posts from open proxies and relays around the world. stevetheFLY: 80.132.128.196 eet: 80.132.139.19

By: stevetheFLY

stevetheFLY — Thu, 24 Apr 2008 15:53:35 +0000

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By: cojii

cojii — Thu, 24 Apr 2008 15:42:45 +0000

Hi there,

I just wanted to say a HUGE thx to you roy for taking the time you’ve had to to make sure this important information gets out there to unsuspecting users. I was a longtime user of gnome, not wanting to abide within the ranks of the non lgpl qt toolkit, but now I see that I can no longer be ‘safe’ in gnome I will probably seek refuse in E17, that or fork gnome altogther.

Your articles have been very enlightening and what it means for me ultimately is steering CLEAR of any distro that adopts mono, which means ubuntu, fedora , freespire ( due to ubuntu base ) and mandriva. I am not sure if that is an exhaustive list but there it is.

Oh what fun…

cu
COJ

By: Roy Schestowitz

Roy Schestowitz — Thu, 24 Apr 2008 15:07:04 +0000

The exclamations marks don’t make you more correct. I know why I flagged ‘eet’ who, as we stressed before, abused readers and editors with bad language.

By: stevetheFLY

stevetheFLY — Thu, 24 Apr 2008 14:58:21 +0000

They were!!! Stop shitting on your co-Linux-workers, man! We're all in the same boat, but some are working on code and some are shitting on the others, like you! Note: comment has been flagged for arriving from a possible incarnation of known (eet), pseudonymous, forever-nymshifting, abusive Internet troll that posts from open proxies and relays around the world. stevetheFLY: 80.132.128.196 eet: 80.132.139.19

By: Roy Schestowitz

Roy Schestowitz — Thu, 24 Apr 2008 14:54:29 +0000

These were not false accusations.

By: stevetheFLY

stevetheFLY — Thu, 24 Apr 2008 14:46:26 +0000

I hope that this Roy-guy here apologizes, soon! I hate people who soil our own free-software community by false accusations!!! Traitor!!!!!!!!!!! Note: comment has been flagged for arriving from a possible incarnation of known (eet), pseudonymous, forever-nymshifting, abusive Internet troll that posts from open proxies and relays around the world. stevetheFLY: 80.132.128.196 eet: 80.132.139.19

By: Victor Soliz

Victor Soliz — Wed, 23 Apr 2008 23:30:14 +0000

Alex: I hope you are right and they mean dotgnu altogether. In that case though they probably need to be more specific.

By: Roy Schestowitz

Roy Schestowitz — Wed, 23 Apr 2008 20:56:54 +0000

Kuba,

I don’t know if ‘Merlin the Great’ is ‘eet’, but both share the same E-mail domain (gmx.net).

Merlin the Great,

Please explain where the sources are wrong.

By: Alex H.

Alex H. — Wed, 23 Apr 2008 19:58:29 +0000

Victor – with regards the mentioning of C#, that’s really pretty natural. Gtk# is as good as the C++ binding (gtkmm) and the Python one, and the Java one simply isn’t as good.

I’m not sure why C# automatically means Mono dependency for you, because that’s not what it means. For one, it’s just a language. Mono is one implementation, but there’s also the GNU Portable.net:

http://www.gnu.org/projects/dotgnu/pnet.html

Given that GNOME is a free software GNU project, and so is dotgnu, that seems a fairly natural relationship to me and you don’t have to touch any mono.

By: Victor Soliz

Victor Soliz — Wed, 23 Apr 2008 18:03:57 +0000

Merlin the Great: Yah I got you, you are such a superior human being, I guess ad hominem is the superior man’s weapon of choice…

By: Victor Soliz

Victor Soliz — Wed, 23 Apr 2008 18:02:00 +0000

I’d say this is rather a shame, the home page is full of C#, C# and C# and the bindings page lists C# before Java, python, perl , ruby and so many FOSS alternatives.

The good news is that it doesn’t look like the home page has deliberately removed Java references, but the bad news is that it looks like they never had any reference of that sort and just had C# bias altogether.

Mono is treated less favourably than C++ and Python, as modules within the Desktop set are not allowed to gain Mono dependencies without approval first.

Why allow or encourage MONO dependency at all in gnome? It sounds detrimental for a cross platform project as gnome which primarily used to focus on Linux in the past to suddenly decide it is all right to depend on a whole platform such as gnome as long as it is approved by “the community”.

By: max stirner

max stirner — Wed, 23 Apr 2008 17:01:30 +0000

this is depressing. ive enjoyed gnome ever since i switched to ubuntu from suse upon breezy launch. oh well.

luckily there are plenty of excellent window managers around that are not developed by MS shills. so one may have to switch there.

i am much more concerned about the mono online hedging bit really..

MS is a sinking ship, just like rome back in the day or the US today, there will be turmoil!

By: Alex H.

Alex H. — Wed, 23 Apr 2008 16:11:08 +0000

A small amount of research again would go a long way.

1. The special rules regarding mono:

http://live.gnome.org/ReleasePlanning/ModuleRequirements

Mono is treated less favourably than C++ and Python, as modules within the Desktop set are not allowed to gain Mono dependencies without approval first.

2. The front page of gtk.org.

There’s no evidence Java was ever on the front page of this site, and I’d love to see someone try to prove it – gtk-web is stored in GNOME’s svn, so you don’t need a cache, the full history is there.

C++, Python and C# are mentioned there. They also are the allowed dependencies in the GNOME desktop set, whereas Java is not.

By: Kuba

Kuba — Wed, 23 Apr 2008 15:52:46 +0000

So, basically you claim that anyone who agrees with a point arguments and facts that you don’t like to even hear about is laughable and not even worthy to be presented with any reasonable points concerning the subject at hand… Ah, truly! Now I see the errors of my ways!
BTW. Are you new here, or are you another “incarnation” of eet? You sure do sound like it.

And the serious part of post- Roy, check this : http://slated.org/mono_mysterious_special_rules .What the hell is that about? I’d sure like to know.

By: Merlin the Great

Merlin the Great — Wed, 23 Apr 2008 14:56:10 +0000

Nah; those of us who know, and visit this website only for the cheap laughs, understand it… As for you other folks – you’re part of the amusement and trying to explain it to you would only spoil the fun.