Comments on: Novell Dumped for Red Hat (Again) http://techrights.org/2008/12/18/novell-dumped-for-red-hat/ Free Software Sentry – watching and reporting maneuvers of those threatened by software freedom Fri, 25 Nov 2016 09:41:40 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.9.14 By: Roy Schestowitz http://techrights.org/2008/12/18/novell-dumped-for-red-hat/comment-page-5/#comment-52575 Sat, 20 Dec 2008 14:38:46 +0000 http://boycottnovell.com/2008/12/18/novell-dumped-for-red-hat/#comment-52575 Her work is ‘monitored’ and discussed in the IRC channel routinely. She’s taking shots at companies other than the Microsoft|Novell axis; also, she hates GNU/FSF/RMS with passion, and she shows it.

Look at the link (evidence) that I gave above about her “planting” anti-Linux stories for Microsoft.

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By: Roy Bixler http://techrights.org/2008/12/18/novell-dumped-for-red-hat/comment-page-4/#comment-52569 Sat, 20 Dec 2008 14:25:42 +0000 http://boycottnovell.com/2008/12/18/novell-dumped-for-red-hat/#comment-52569 You can find a summary of some of O’Gara’s work here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Groklaw#Media_controversy

I would not characterise her as a neutral or ethical journalist.

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By: Roy Schestowitz http://techrights.org/2008/12/18/novell-dumped-for-red-hat/comment-page-4/#comment-52552 Sat, 20 Dec 2008 13:22:03 +0000 http://boycottnovell.com/2008/12/18/novell-dumped-for-red-hat/#comment-52552 The history and pattern of coverage speaks loudly enough.

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By: Dan O'Brian http://techrights.org/2008/12/18/novell-dumped-for-red-hat/comment-page-4/#comment-52551 Sat, 20 Dec 2008 13:16:30 +0000 http://boycottnovell.com/2008/12/18/novell-dumped-for-red-hat/#comment-52551 Roy: if she’s a “shill”, meaning she gets paid by Microsoft or Novell, then why is her article reporting from a pro Red Hat and anti-Novell position in this article?

Sounds more like you haven’t liked what she’s stated in the past (her research contradicts your lack of research, perhaps?) and so you’ve unfairly labeled her as a shill.

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By: Sebastiaan Veld http://techrights.org/2008/12/18/novell-dumped-for-red-hat/comment-page-4/#comment-52535 Sat, 20 Dec 2008 10:01:17 +0000 http://boycottnovell.com/2008/12/18/novell-dumped-for-red-hat/#comment-52535 “The Indian Express Group, one of subcontinent’s better known media firms, says it’s migrated from Novell Netware 3.12 operating system to Red Hat Enterprise Linux 5 to scale while keeping costs in line.”

Costs is a fair argument to migrate to a new solution in general. Tough NetWare/OES does provide some services that (in this case) RHEL does not provice and which they clearly do not need anymore.

“With Netware, the company reportedly faced obstacles, including the limitations of client licenses. It was also challenged by complex and expensive maintenance that limited its agility.”

I can image that; NetWare 3.12 does only provide a good IPX stack to get access to NetWare services. Client license are indeed a problem, they were not able to buy them for several years now with the product EOL for quite some time.. It’s like trying to maintain Windows 3.11 or an early Linux disto on current hardware.

“The company’s CIO said, “In addition to high availability and reliability, Red Hat Enterprise Linux 5 gives us access to features such as clustering and integrated virtualization that would otherwise have only been possible through the purchase of additional third-party solutions.””

I believe these solutions are also out of the box available with SLES.

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By: Roy Schestowitz http://techrights.org/2008/12/18/novell-dumped-for-red-hat/comment-page-4/#comment-52095 Fri, 19 Dec 2008 13:06:21 +0000 http://boycottnovell.com/2008/12/18/novell-dumped-for-red-hat/#comment-52095 The Maureen O’Gara shill has just covered this:

Red Hat Thumbs its Nose at Novell

The Indian Express Group, one of subcontinent’s better known media firms, says it’s migrated from Novell Netware 3.12 operating system to Red Hat Enterprise Linux 5 to scale while keeping costs in line.

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By: Roy Schestowitz http://techrights.org/2008/12/18/novell-dumped-for-red-hat/comment-page-3/#comment-51675 Thu, 18 Dec 2008 19:49:53 +0000 http://boycottnovell.com/2008/12/18/novell-dumped-for-red-hat/#comment-51675 I’ve just asked someone to inquire through Indian Express and see why they chose Red Hat. Or chose it instead of other vendors, such as Novell.

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By: Ian http://techrights.org/2008/12/18/novell-dumped-for-red-hat/comment-page-3/#comment-51670 Thu, 18 Dec 2008 19:33:14 +0000 http://boycottnovell.com/2008/12/18/novell-dumped-for-red-hat/#comment-51670 I’d be interested to read why.

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By: Roy Schestowitz http://techrights.org/2008/12/18/novell-dumped-for-red-hat/comment-page-3/#comment-51661 Thu, 18 Dec 2008 19:26:40 +0000 http://boycottnovell.com/2008/12/18/novell-dumped-for-red-hat/#comment-51661 Should we inquire? Our good friends in India can do that.

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By: Ian http://techrights.org/2008/12/18/novell-dumped-for-red-hat/comment-page-3/#comment-51660 Thu, 18 Dec 2008 19:25:29 +0000 http://boycottnovell.com/2008/12/18/novell-dumped-for-red-hat/#comment-51660 I’d be curious to know what their criteria for choosing a platform was. Going from Bindery NetWare to RHEL is quite a jump in a different direction. Unfortunately press releases don’t provide that info.

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By: Roy Schestowitz http://techrights.org/2008/12/18/novell-dumped-for-red-hat/comment-page-3/#comment-51621 Thu, 18 Dec 2008 17:38:26 +0000 http://boycottnovell.com/2008/12/18/novell-dumped-for-red-hat/#comment-51621 @Baby In The Bath Water

Did I say you did?

it was a shrewd attempt to put words in my mouth.

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By: Roy Schestowitz http://techrights.org/2008/12/18/novell-dumped-for-red-hat/comment-page-2/#comment-51619 Thu, 18 Dec 2008 17:34:07 +0000 http://boycottnovell.com/2008/12/18/novell-dumped-for-red-hat/#comment-51619 @jo Shields,

I wish I could find a real article/report about it, but all I can find junk derivatives of the press release, such as this one from yesterday (17th):

Red Hat has recently announced that The Indian Express Group has migrated to the company’s Enterprise Linux 5. The deployment aims to help the media group reduce its IT infrastructure costs, while maintaining high availability, reliability, security and transparency.

Deploying onto the media house’s backbone LAN servers, which were originally incurring complex and expensive maintenance, the group was facing a challenge of adapting to consumer and technological demands at reduced costs while simultaneously scaling its critical IT infrastructure. It implemented SAP on Enterprise Linux 5 with an aim to streamline business processes, enable easier management of its systems and achieve information transparency across its many locations around the country.

“To create a solution for a company that cannot afford downtime was a challenge; however Red Hat has been successful in implementing a seamless migration for the Indian Express Group. The solutions have not only proved to be highly functional but also cost effective,” said Vikas Pradhan, Director Sales, Red Hat.

Look carefully and you’ll see it’s a shadow of the press release.

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By: Baby In The Bath Water http://techrights.org/2008/12/18/novell-dumped-for-red-hat/comment-page-2/#comment-51618 Thu, 18 Dec 2008 17:31:04 +0000 http://boycottnovell.com/2008/12/18/novell-dumped-for-red-hat/#comment-51618

Did I say that?

Did I say you did?

Note: this comment was posted from Novell’s headquarters.

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By: Baby In The Bath Water http://techrights.org/2008/12/18/novell-dumped-for-red-hat/comment-page-2/#comment-51616 Thu, 18 Dec 2008 17:29:01 +0000 http://boycottnovell.com/2008/12/18/novell-dumped-for-red-hat/#comment-51616 Correction: NetWare 3.2 was released in July 1998, NetWare 3.12 was released no later than April 1997.

Apparently I was a year off in my remembering although it doesn’t hurt my argument.

Note: this comment was posted from Novell’s headquarters.

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By: Roy Schestowitz http://techrights.org/2008/12/18/novell-dumped-for-red-hat/comment-page-2/#comment-51615 Thu, 18 Dec 2008 17:27:57 +0000 http://boycottnovell.com/2008/12/18/novell-dumped-for-red-hat/#comment-51615

Are you going to tell us that the reason was because of the MS-Novell deal, now?

Did I say that?

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By: Baby In The Bath Water http://techrights.org/2008/12/18/novell-dumped-for-red-hat/comment-page-2/#comment-51614 Thu, 18 Dec 2008 17:25:33 +0000 http://boycottnovell.com/2008/12/18/novell-dumped-for-red-hat/#comment-51614 And NetWare 3.2 (the upgrade to 3.12 that was fully y2k compliant) was released in 1999, so my guess is that it’s very likely they stopped being customers in 1999, before the NetWare 3.2 update was released.

That means they’ve been no one’s customers since 1999, almost 10 years now.

Novell weren’t “dumped” in favor of Red Hat, Red Hat simply picked up a customer who was stranded.

Note: this comment was posted from Novell’s headquarters.

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By: Baby In The Bath Water http://techrights.org/2008/12/18/novell-dumped-for-red-hat/comment-page-1/#comment-51613 Thu, 18 Dec 2008 17:20:37 +0000 http://boycottnovell.com/2008/12/18/novell-dumped-for-red-hat/#comment-51613 Are you going to tell us that the reason was because of the MS-Novell deal, now?

Afterall, it’s clear that they stopped being Novell customers at least 4 years before the MS-Novell deal. NetWare 3.12 was released in fall of 1998, so they may have stopped being Novell customers 10 years ago for all we know.

Note: this comment was posted from Novell’s headquarters.

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By: Roy Schestowitz http://techrights.org/2008/12/18/novell-dumped-for-red-hat/comment-page-1/#comment-51612 Thu, 18 Dec 2008 17:18:12 +0000 http://boycottnovell.com/2008/12/18/novell-dumped-for-red-hat/#comment-51612 They did not carry on with Novell.

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By: Baby In The Bath Water http://techrights.org/2008/12/18/novell-dumped-for-red-hat/comment-page-1/#comment-51611 Thu, 18 Dec 2008 17:16:28 +0000 http://boycottnovell.com/2008/12/18/novell-dumped-for-red-hat/#comment-51611 Notes on NetWare 3.2, the upgrade to 3.12:

Year 2000 Updates. The coming of the year 2000 will present serious challenges for those whose systems are unprepared to deal with it. Novell has expended considerable effort in testing its core server files, utilities, and client software to ensure that they will correctly perform date transitions in the year 2000 and beyond. During this testing, it was discovered that NetWare 3.12 requires updates to several server and client software files in order to function properly in the year 2000 and beyond. NetWare 3.2 contains all of these Year 2000 updates for both the server and the client software.

So this company wasn’t even running server software that was y2k compliant. Nice.

Oh, and excuse me, but just to be clear, all of the 3.x series of NetWare were EOL’d in 2002. Not just 3.12

Note: this comment was posted from Novell’s headquarters.

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By: jo Shields http://techrights.org/2008/12/18/novell-dumped-for-red-hat/comment-page-1/#comment-51610 Thu, 18 Dec 2008 17:09:48 +0000 http://boycottnovell.com/2008/12/18/novell-dumped-for-red-hat/#comment-51610 What happened to regurgitating press releases being a terrible crime?

I mean, it’s interesting in isolation, and moving from a proprietary platform like Netware to a Free OS is a good thing… but weren’t you bitching about this exact same thing a few days ago?

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