Comments on: Quick Mention: Mono Goes Fighting Java on Android

By: AlexH

AlexH — Wed, 07 Jan 2009 19:04:06 +0000

You don’t seem to be very hasty to talk on behalf of companies…

By: Roy Schestowitz

Roy Schestowitz — Wed, 07 Jan 2009 18:21:47 +0000

I know the risks and so does Red Hat. Based on what I know, the issues leave Red Hat concerned.

By: AlexH

AlexH — Wed, 07 Jan 2009 18:14:42 +0000

@Baby: not sure if it’s either “does not know” or “does not want to know”.

By: Baby In The Bath Water

Baby In The Bath Water — Wed, 07 Jan 2009 17:14:18 +0000

I doubt AlexH needs to ask, he already knows the answer. It's clear, however, that Roy does not know. Note: this comment was posted from Novell's headquarters.

By: Roy Schestowitz

Roy Schestowitz — Wed, 07 Jan 2009 16:44:01 +0000

If you urgently want an answer, why not ask them? You do, after all, participate in some Fedora stuff, right?

By: AlexH

AlexH — Wed, 07 Jan 2009 16:29:48 +0000

Manyana, manyana, for now the speculation continues.

(btw, an “open letter” isn’t the same as “doing research”. One is passive, the other is active.)

By: Roy Schestowitz

Roy Schestowitz — Wed, 07 Jan 2009 16:27:21 +0000

Maybe we’ll do an open letter some day. Not today..

By: AlexH

AlexH — Wed, 07 Jan 2009 16:25:06 +0000

What’s the betting that you haven’t done the simple thing, which would be to do the research: drop them an e-mail and actually ask.

Your wild speculation that they were somehow bamboozled into distributing a legally dodgy product is far-fetched.

By: Roy Schestowitz

Roy Schestowitz — Wed, 07 Jan 2009 16:23:02 +0000

Not true.

By: Dan O'Brian

Dan O'Brian — Wed, 07 Jan 2009 16:20:07 +0000

Roy: Red Hat’s legal dept found Mono to be safe. They didn’t just include it because other people were.

By: AlexH

AlexH — Wed, 07 Jan 2009 16:19:55 +0000

You saying “ooh, it’s bad” also doesn’t de-legitimise it.

The majority opinion is settled on this matter.

By: Dan O'Brian

Dan O'Brian — Wed, 07 Jan 2009 16:18:58 +0000

Wine can in principle be disposed of without affecting the applications

Not if the only apps available to do the task needed are Windows-only.

By: Roy Schestowitz

Roy Schestowitz — Wed, 07 Jan 2009 16:16:13 +0000

Practice does not legitimise bad decisions just as being a law does not make it ethical or worth obeying.

By: AlexH

AlexH — Wed, 07 Jan 2009 16:14:01 +0000

No, the same doesn’t apply. No distro excludes Mono, including those with the most stringent free software standards.

By: Roy Schestowitz

Roy Schestowitz — Wed, 07 Jan 2009 16:13:03 +0000

A non-free solution implementing a non-free standard does nothing to advance the “free desktop”. The Free Software community needs Free content creation tools which support open and unencumbered standards, not proprietary products only available from a single source.

The same applies to Mono.

By: AlexH

AlexH — Wed, 07 Jan 2009 16:12:17 +0000

@saulgoode: precisely why I originally said the legal status of silverlight needs to be cleared up. If it can’t be used, then something else is needed.

By: saulgoode

saulgoode — Wed, 07 Jan 2009 16:09:53 +0000

That attitude holds back the free desktop. It needs high quality content creation tools which rival Adobe’s. The free software community is not a passive consumer.

A non-free solution implementing a non-free standard does nothing to advance the “free desktop”. The Free Software community needs Free content creation tools which support open and unencumbered standards, not proprietary products only available from a single source.

By: Roy Schestowitz

Roy Schestowitz — Wed, 07 Jan 2009 16:09:50 +0000

Wine can in principle be disposed of without affecting the applications; unlike… say… Mono.

By: Dan O'Brian

Dan O'Brian — Wed, 07 Jan 2009 16:03:45 +0000

Oh, and lets not forget about putting ourselves in jeopardy over patents if we use Wine!

By: Dan O'Brian

Dan O'Brian — Wed, 07 Jan 2009 16:02:39 +0000

And by Roy, no less!