| _Hicham_ | how big is the website? | May 17 00:00 |
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| schestowitz | 4gb files+130mb dbs | May 17 00:01 |
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| DaemonFC | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V942vI6b4JY&feature=related | May 17 00:02 |
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| DaemonFC | _Hitcham_ You may like this one better | May 17 00:02 |
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| ziggyfish | listening to the Linux Action Show, | May 17 00:12 |
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| DaemonFC | schestowitz: There are various HTML "optimizers" you can run your pages through | May 17 00:13 |
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| DaemonFC | to get the size down | May 17 00:13 |
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| ziggyfish | This is last time I will be listening to it though | May 17 00:13 |
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| schestowitz | DaemonFC: that's not the main concern ATM | May 17 00:13 |
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| twitter | gartner idiots in the news again http://tech.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=09/05/16/2055258 | May 17 00:20 |
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| schestowitz | Sp they advertise Vista7. | May 17 00:22 |
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| schestowitz | Not bad for Microsoft | May 17 00:22 |
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| schestowitz | See http://www.crn.com/software/217201463;jsessionid=J2MX5WJLUPBSQQSNDLOSKH0CJUNN2JVN | May 17 00:22 |
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| schestowitz | Vista7 boosting from Gah-rtner | May 17 00:22 |
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| DaemonFC | http://img8.imageshack.us/img8/7537/donotwantabh.jpg | May 17 00:25 |
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| schestowitz | I'm getting tired | May 17 00:25 |
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| schestowitz | tessier not back yet | May 17 00:25 |
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| twitter | Call Laughing Squid. | May 17 00:25 |
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| twitter | The Gartner story is funny because they just got busted for bullshitting hugely to the EU about GNU/Linux migration. Michael Silver in particular was disgraced when the "secret" report was made public. | May 17 00:26 |
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| twitter | Now they parrot M$ telling the one or two companies that dumb enough to have planned a Vista migration that they should skip Vista for vaporware. | May 17 00:27 |
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| DaemonFC | http://img33.imageshack.us/img33/1041/29425593.png | May 17 00:27 |
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| twitter | M$ themselves said the same thing. Vista is Officially DEAD. | May 17 00:28 |
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| schestowitz | twitter: silver is well know for his MS shilling | May 17 00:29 |
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| schestowitz | I'm gonna write about it | May 17 00:30 |
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| schestowitz | If only I could.. | May 17 00:30 |
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| twitter | cool, I think. | May 17 00:30 |
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| schestowitz | I planned to on Thursday before /., | May 17 00:30 |
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| twitter | relax, this will pass and the site will be back up and people will read it. | May 17 00:30 |
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| twitter | Just look at GL. They were silent for a month or two. | May 17 00:31 |
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| twitter | A little rest might do you some good. | May 17 00:31 |
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| schestowitz | There's lot of important stuff I want to put out there. | May 17 00:37 |
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| schestowitz | I mean, important in the sense that it's not covered | May 17 00:37 |
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| schestowitz | And people miss important facts | May 17 00:37 |
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| twitter | Yes, you have done very good work. | May 17 00:38 |
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| schestowitz | With Groklaw it was voluntary | May 17 00:40 |
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| schestowitz | Here I have been doing the best I could so far | May 17 00:40 |
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| schestowitz | But there are annoying barriers | May 17 00:40 |
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| DaemonFC | http://img33.imageshack.us/img33/4038/63690502.png | May 17 00:44 |
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| DaemonFC | I missed Winamp | May 17 00:44 |
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| DaemonFC | surely that's it :P | May 17 00:44 |
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| schestowitz | Turns out that some firefox plugin must have caused godaddy trouble | May 17 00:54 |
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| schestowitz | One of those plugin nightmares | May 17 00:54 |
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| schestowitz | They are not very helpful. | May 17 00:57 |
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| schestowitz | ======= | May 17 00:57 |
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| schestowitz | Discussion Notes | May 17 00:57 |
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| schestowitz | Support Staff Response | May 17 00:57 |
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| schestowitz | Roy, | May 17 00:57 |
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| schestowitz | Thank you for contacting online support. | May 17 00:57 |
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| schestowitz | We would like to be of assistance. However, the nature of your inquiry is unclear and additional information is necessary in order to properly investigate and address your inquiry. | May 17 00:57 |
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| schestowitz | Please reply to this email with a detailed description of what is happening. Be sure to include the full text of any error messages you may be encountering as well as any account information that you have, including the domain name and customer number in question. In addition, it may be necessary to release account specific information in our response. For security reasons, we cannot release customer specific account information wi | May 17 00:57 |
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| schestowitz | thout first verifying the account. If you have not done so already, include the last four digits of a payment method on file or your four-digit Call-in PIN with your reply. Once you have provided this information, we can investigate the matter further. | May 17 00:57 |
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| schestowitz | If immediate assistance is required, our telephone support staff is available 24/7 at 480-505-8877. We look forward to hearing from you. | May 17 00:57 |
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| schestowitz | Nancie D. | May 17 00:57 |
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| schestowitz | Customer Care | May 17 00:57 |
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| schestowitz | They need to sort it out.. | May 17 00:57 |
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| schestowitz | No Opera support, either | May 17 00:58 |
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| schestowitz | Cause they want fancy GUIs, probably tested using just 2 browsers.. | May 17 00:58 |
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| schestowitz | ====== | May 17 00:58 |
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| schestowitz | I append your message below for context. Here are the instructions I was given: | May 17 00:58 |
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| schestowitz | ========================= | May 17 00:58 |
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| schestowitz | The registrant of the following domain name(s): | May 17 00:58 |
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| schestowitz | [...] | May 17 00:58 |
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| schestowitz | 2. In the My Account section, click "Pending Account Changes." | May 17 00:58 |
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| schestowitz | 3. Click on "Incoming Account Changes." | May 17 00:58 |
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| schestowitz | 4. Check the domains that you agree to change and then click "Quick Accept." | May 17 00:58 |
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| schestowitz | 5. Accept the agreements and click "OK." The domains will | May 17 00:58 |
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| schestowitz | be processed and should appear in your account shortly. | May 17 00:58 |
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| schestowitz | If the Change of Account is not complete within 10 days, the | May 17 00:58 |
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| schestowitz | transaction or Change of Account will expire. | May 17 00:58 |
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| schestowitz | ========================= | May 17 00:58 |
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| schestowitz | When I click "Quick Accept" I get nothing that happens. No agreement shows up. Both in Opera and Firefox. Godaddy: fail | May 17 00:58 |
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| ziggyfish | Your domain trouble got me thinking about linuxmadeeasy.org, Don't know what to do with it. It's been sitting their for a while | May 17 00:59 |
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| schestowitz | The whole Web is a mess | May 17 01:01 |
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| schestowitz | More people may be using it (well, especially in China), but sites are dying | May 17 01:01 |
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| schestowitz | Newspapers don't succeed in moving to the Web and finding sustainability | May 17 01:01 |
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| ziggyfish | yeah | May 17 01:01 |
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| schestowitz | Other sites just retire or slow down | May 17 01:01 |
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| schestowitz | Including some very big ones. | May 17 01:01 |
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| schestowitz | SO finding news becomes hard | May 17 01:01 |
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| schestowitz | Not just Mirosoft or Linux news | May 17 01:02 |
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| schestowitz | ANY news | May 17 01:02 |
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| schestowitz | It's like this | May 17 01:02 |
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| schestowitz | Think about Web hype and bubble | May 17 01:02 |
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| schestowitz | More news, more sites, etc. | May 17 01:02 |
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| schestowitz | Then, especially now amid depression, lots of sites get buried | May 17 01:02 |
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| schestowitz | The big mistake it to assume that FOSS and Linux have slown down when in fact it's part ofg a universal, global trend. | May 17 01:03 |
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| schestowitz | TuxMachines was down for a week in December. DNS issues | May 17 01:04 |
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| twitter | Do not blame the Web because the Web is still growing and not is not yet free. | May 17 01:04 |
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| twitter | People should not have to go to a "host" or go through all the problems BN is having just to run a blog. | May 17 01:05 |
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| twitter | They should be able to run such things from their own computer at home. | May 17 01:05 |
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| ziggyfish | schestowitz, I think Linux has grown faster | May 17 01:05 |
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| schestowitz | Well, MS is imploding | May 17 01:06 |
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| twitter | This will happen in the future and it will provide a tremendous quantity of real news. | May 17 01:06 |
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| schestowitz | it's just too busy trying to sink Linux WITH it | May 17 01:06 |
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| twitter | Reporting will just be a matter of researching other blogs and asking the right people the right question. | May 17 01:06 |
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| schestowitz | twitter: you're optimistic | May 17 01:06 |
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| schestowitz | 1) decentralised sites scare people | May 17 01:07 |
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| twitter | I see a free future. | May 17 01:07 |
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| schestowitz | 2) I don't know much about "future" | May 17 01:07 |
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| twitter | I demand it. | May 17 01:07 |
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| schestowitz | It seems like tech steps back | May 17 01:07 |
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| ziggyfish | schestowitz, it's impossible to sink Linux, Linux is owned by everyone, if the big companies die, we will take their place | May 17 01:07 |
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| schestowitz | Not forwards | May 17 01:07 |
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| schestowitz | *ward | May 17 01:07 |
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| twitter | I demand freedom. | May 17 01:07 |
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| twitter | From freedom will come truth. | May 17 01:07 |
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| schestowitz | This includes a prediction of a drop in developers... 35% is what I saw recently | May 17 01:07 |
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| schestowitz | twitter: freedom is not free | May 17 01:07 |
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| schestowitz | People buy suppression | May 17 01:08 |
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| twitter | Slavery is more expensive. | May 17 01:08 |
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| schestowitz | They make money taking people's freedom away | May 17 01:08 |
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| schestowitz | As in, making others work for them | May 17 01:08 |
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| DaemonFC | schestowitz: Did you see the latest stufy Microsoft paid for? | May 17 01:08 |
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| schestowitz | ziggyfish: they can still slow some things down | May 17 01:08 |
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| DaemonFC | where did I put that? :P | May 17 01:08 |
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| DaemonFC | it praises IE 8 as the best browser | May 17 01:08 |
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| ziggyfish | schestowitz, but not stop | May 17 01:08 |
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| schestowitz | DaemonFC: what's that? | May 17 01:08 |
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| schestowitz | Study | May 17 01:08 |
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| schestowitz | I seee... | May 17 01:08 |
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| DaemonFC | and says that Firefox and Chrome and Opera are useless | May 17 01:08 |
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| schestowitz | Which one? | May 17 01:08 |
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| schestowitz | Haha | May 17 01:08 |
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| schestowitz | Link? | May 17 01:08 |
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| twitter | The pinch points, is where free software can be slowed down. This is where they attack. | May 17 01:09 |
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| DaemonFC | http://news.softpedia.com/news/Chrome-a-Non-Event-Firefox-Defective-IE-Going-Nowhere-111573.shtml | May 17 01:09 |
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| twitter | FC linked to a nice study of browsers on Winblows earlier. | May 17 01:09 |
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| DaemonFC | "In addition, IE 8 is feature rich and a step ahead of the other browsers. Both Firefox and Chrome have major defects which limit their usefulness on all sites." | May 17 01:09 |
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| twitter | Why bother with bullshit when anyone can run the benchmarks themselves? | May 17 01:10 |
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| ziggyfish | schestowitz, what I am worried about is software patients | May 17 01:10 |
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| twitter | another pinch point but one that has exploded. | May 17 01:11 |
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| twitter | software patents are bad for everyone, big dumb companies included. | May 17 01:11 |
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| twitter | here's FC's earlier link http://izanbardprince.wordpress.com/2009/05/15/surprise-the-fastest-browser-on-windows-is-in-fact/ | May 17 01:12 |
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| twitter | very good. | May 17 01:12 |
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| schestowitz | ziggyfish: yes, anti-FOSS law | May 17 01:12 |
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| schestowitz | They would love that | May 17 01:12 |
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| twitter | If you are into performance on a second rate platform. | May 17 01:12 |
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| schestowitz | DaemonFC: does it say MS funded this 'study'? | May 17 01:12 |
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| twitter | what a god awful page | May 17 01:13 |
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| ziggyfish | I like how everyone uses Net Applications for OS market share, when their are plenty of others around | May 17 01:13 |
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| twitter | Marius Oiaga | May 17 01:13 |
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| twitter | what are the other OS market share indicators? | May 17 01:14 |
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| twitter | I'd love to know about them. | May 17 01:14 |
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| DaemonFC | I'm blogging it now | May 17 01:14 |
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| twitter | I'm not really interested in what kind of OS is used to access Fox News, Forbes and the Wall Street Journal. | May 17 01:14 |
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| schestowitz | Marius Oiaga boosts Microsoft | May 17 01:14 |
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| schestowitz | Nothing new here | May 17 01:15 |
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| schestowitz | and ziggyfish is right | May 17 01:15 |
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| schestowitz | It's MS parrterns like IDG/IDC who point people to Net Apps | May 17 01:15 |
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| schestowitz | Which has been around for ages | May 17 01:15 |
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| twitter | I'm sure he's right, I just don't know of other measures. | May 17 01:15 |
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| schestowitz | But that one is the most UsefulLiar | May 17 01:15 |
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| twitter | Widely quoted lie. | May 17 01:16 |
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| ziggyfish | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usage_share_of_operating_systems | May 17 01:16 |
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| twitter | very nice! | May 17 01:16 |
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| twitter | not | May 17 01:16 |
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| twitter | I see enough GNU/Linux to think 2% is a significant under report. | May 17 01:18 |
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| twitter | Where are Wiki's own reports? | May 17 01:19 |
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| ziggyfish | it would be interesting to see Googles report on market share | May 17 01:20 |
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| ziggyfish | maybe that would be a good website to make, a website that produces market share reports | May 17 01:21 |
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| twitter | ISPs hold the real stats, but they are firmly in M$ and Entertainment pockets. | May 17 01:22 |
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| oiaohm | Most ISP's don't check what there clients are running twitter. | May 17 01:22 |
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| oiaohm | Thinking there clients are sitting more often than not behind Linux routers these days. | May 17 01:23 |
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| ziggyfish | The only thing is I don't know if the domain name "linuxmadeeasy.org" would be a good name for this type of thing | May 17 01:23 |
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| twitter | How do you know, Ohm? | May 17 01:23 |
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| twitter | If ISPs did not have statistics, they would not offer M$ only support now would they? | May 17 01:24 |
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| oiaohm | The ISP's I deal with don't care what OS you are running. Only that there router is configured correctly. The provide novice tools for windows and manual instructions for everyone else. | May 17 01:26 |
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| oiaohm | There site support generic firefox so all platfroms. I have a few were there web site tells user to install firefox becuase they dont' bother building there site for IE. | May 17 01:27 |
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| twitter | Big US ISPs include M$ only software and start most conversations with "Open IE" | May 17 01:28 |
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| twitter | They don't provide real information, such as server names, and they are forced to read moronic scripts. | May 17 01:29 |
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| oiaohm | So primus over there is the same. There australian releation iprimus started with open webbrowser never open IE. | May 17 01:29 |
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| twitter | I have pretended to do as they say to try to get real information out of them. It's a real pain. | May 17 01:29 |
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| twitter | They assume you are going to the Windows control panel. I wonder if they know how to do anything else. | May 17 01:30 |
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| twitter | A+ cert, and works for sure | May 17 01:30 |
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| twitter | yeah. | May 17 01:30 |
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| oiaohm | You sound to be where we were about 10 years ago. | May 17 01:30 |
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| schestowitz | I'm gonna get some sleep. If tessier shows up shortly, then please try to give him help getting WordPress and all up and running. I think he's almost there. | May 17 01:31 |
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| twitter | In any case, ISPs could easily collect stats if they wanted to and probably do already. | May 17 01:31 |
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| twitter | Good night Roy! | May 17 01:31 |
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| schestowitz | I have control of the domains | May 17 01:31 |
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| schestowitz | I just need tessier to give the horsie a go | May 17 01:31 |
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| schestowitz | Then I point to the new server | May 17 01:31 |
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| twitter | cool | May 17 01:31 |
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| schestowitz | We have 3 domains | May 17 01:31 |
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| oiaohm | Someone guy got the smart idea of sueing a ISP for descrimitation and won about 10 years ago here twitter. | May 17 01:33 |
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| twitter | That's very nice. Others should do the same. | May 17 01:33 |
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| oiaohm | Thinking they have to have business customers using Linux servers that are connecting up to there isp twitter | May 17 01:34 |
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| oiaohm | Most of them here were supporting Linux from business but not Linux from home so was pure descrimitation | May 17 01:35 |
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| oiaohm | Even better most ISP's here these days provide a file mirror with Linux distributions on that don't count to download quotas. | May 17 01:36 |
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| oiaohm | Ok Linux and Freebsd. | May 17 01:36 |
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| oiaohm | Since it turned out they were also providing that only to business customers | May 17 01:36 |
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| ziggyfish | If anyone want's to write a site for collecting OS market share please let me know, I have the domains | May 17 01:36 |
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| DaemonFC | http://izanbardprince.wordpress.com/2009/05/17/microsoft-pays-yes-men-to-spread-more-fud-about-firefox-chrome-and-opera/ | May 17 01:37 |
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| oiaohm | Firefox's source code does support active-x DaemonFC | May 17 01:38 |
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| oiaohm | Its not enabled by default due to secuirty reasons. | May 17 01:39 |
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| DaemonFC | I'm getting a lot of hits from people looking for Windows 7 logitech drivers | May 17 01:45 |
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| DaemonFC | which I made available | May 17 01:45 |
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| DaemonFC | :P | May 17 01:45 |
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| ziggyfish | domain = osmarketshare.com | May 17 01:47 |
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| oiaohm | http://soft.zoneo.net/phpTrafficA/ << Open source prewriten just configure ziggyfish | May 17 01:55 |
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| oiaohm | There are others as well ziggyfish | May 17 01:56 |
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| ziggyfish | will look into that | May 17 01:57 |
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| oiaohm | http://soft.zoneo.net/phpTrafficA/Demo/index.php?mode=stats&sid=746210&show=os&lang=en Web number do change a lot based on site. | May 17 01:58 |
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| oiaohm | This one has linux at 22 percent. | May 17 01:58 |
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| ziggyfish | I may just look at the source code, and grab what I need | May 17 02:00 |
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| oiaohm | There are others out three as well if you search "os statistics counter open source" without " of course | May 17 02:01 |
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| oiaohm | For most things there is no need to build from scratch any more. | May 17 02:01 |
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| ziggyfish | oiaohm, where's the fun in that? | May 17 02:02 |
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| oiaohm | http://awstats.sourceforge.net/ | May 17 02:03 |
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| oiaohm | Number 1 it is dependablity ziggyfish | May 17 02:03 |
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| oiaohm | You can always join the team developing the one you like and add features. | May 17 02:04 |
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| ziggyfish | true | May 17 02:04 |
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| oiaohm | Also going threw the open source ones give you a better idea what you want too. | May 17 02:08 |
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| oiaohm | Looking at working examples so much better than just trying to makeup from nothing. | May 17 02:08 |
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| oiaohm | I guess you have a broad range of domains to get data from ziggyfish | May 17 02:09 |
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| ziggyfish | That's the next step | May 17 02:11 |
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| oiaohm | http://bbclone.de/demo/ | May 17 02:11 |
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| oiaohm | That would have to be my 3 most used open source ones. | May 17 02:11 |
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| oiaohm | But there are way more ziggyfish. Almost everyone writes a stats program at some point. Its become the web equal to tetris. | May 17 02:13 |
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| ziggyfish | heh, it will take a while to set up though, things I need to do before hand like, good interface, easy for web admins to add a link in their website, things like that | May 17 02:15 |
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| oiaohm | Exactly. | May 17 02:15 |
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| oiaohm | You have more than enough work without having to build the basic core. | May 17 02:16 |
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| ziggyfish | true | May 17 02:17 |
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| oiaohm | Pick a basic core that does you needs and you like and go from there. | May 17 02:17 |
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| oiaohm | Some cases with open source projects experinced developers with them can help you get stuff working. | May 17 02:18 |
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| ziggyfish | oiaohm, you a developer? | May 17 02:19 |
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| oiaohm | Most of the time not. | May 17 02:19 |
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| ziggyfish | nice | May 17 02:19 |
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| oiaohm | I normally pickup open source packages that do my need. | May 17 02:19 |
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| oiaohm | Customise where I have to. | May 17 02:19 |
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| ziggyfish | oh, ok. | May 17 02:20 |
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| oiaohm | Ie I don't really like coding and only do it when I have to. | May 17 02:20 |
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| oiaohm | Learnt that over the years. | May 17 02:20 |
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| oiaohm | Stablity is a hard thing to test for. | May 17 02:20 |
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| ziggyfish | true | May 17 02:21 |
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| oiaohm | If it fails in the work I do I am so many times over dead meat its not funny. | May 17 02:21 |
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| oiaohm | I guess be around the server world less than 8 years ziggyfish | May 17 02:22 |
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| ziggyfish | nice, I'm been developing PHP for 2 years, now | May 17 02:23 |
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| oiaohm | By the end of 8 years most people have learnt don't build from scratch unless there is no other option. The pain of failures is not worth it. | May 17 02:23 |
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| oiaohm | At least by customising it normally stays partly working. | May 17 02:24 |
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| oiaohm | So you don't get fried. | May 17 02:24 |
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| ziggyfish | lol | May 17 02:24 |
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| oiaohm | As bad. | May 17 02:24 |
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| oiaohm | Really what I am telling you is pure logical if you do risk assements of what you are doing ziggyfish. That is something else that PHP courses don't teach you but is a good skill. | May 17 02:26 |
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| oiaohm | Its also something people learn to do in the first 8 years ziggyfish. | May 17 02:30 |
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| ziggyfish | oh, ok | May 17 02:31 |
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| oiaohm | Basic lists of risk assesements. Quality risk assesment. This is will you have the time and the means to assess the quality of what you are doing on different paths. | May 17 02:35 |
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| oiaohm | Maintainership risk assessment. Will what you do be maintainable at what risks. | May 17 02:36 |
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| oiaohm | Using Open source projects using a non longer supported project would be high risk. Just like using closed source you could have to be paying. | May 17 02:37 |
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| oiaohm | Secuirty risk assessment. | May 17 02:37 |
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| oiaohm | and finally legal risk assessment. | May 17 02:37 |
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| oiaohm | Legal comes out of making sure you don't use wrong combinations of licences and the like. | May 17 02:38 |
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| ziggyfish | nice to know | May 17 02:39 |
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| oiaohm | There is not much to it really. | May 17 02:39 |
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| ziggyfish | anyway I'm very hungry | May 17 02:39 |
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| oiaohm | Most is common sence but as with all common sence no one bothers teaching it so common sence is rare. | May 17 02:39 |
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| ziggyfish | lol | May 17 02:40 |
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| ziggyfish | funny but true | May 17 02:40 |
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| tessier | schestowitz: I'm back. Maintenance is all done. Server is back up. Took far longer than expected, as usual... | May 17 02:46 |
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| tessier | I still get the old dns | May 17 02:47 |
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| oiaohm | You missed him tessier last message he was off for sleep. | May 17 02:49 |
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| tessier | ok | May 17 02:53 |
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| shreddar | What server | May 17 03:04 |
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| twitter | Roy is sleeping. | May 17 03:10 |
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| twitter | Yes Ohm, "common sensce" is rare. | May 17 03:10 |
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| twitter | BN is also still sleeping tessier. Do you have an IP address? | May 17 03:11 |
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| twitter | It might be easier to surf there directly than to rely on the domain powers that be. I look forward to IP6 putting an end to foolishness like this. | May 17 03:12 |
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| tessier | I gave Roy the IP address earlier toda | May 17 03:17 |
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| tessier | y | May 17 03:17 |
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| tessier | I have everything set up except that I am still debugging the database access. For some reason wp can't connect. | May 17 03:17 |
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| tessier | Will have that resolved shortly. | May 17 03:17 |
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| tessier | bn.copilotco.com points to the site | May 17 03:17 |
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| tessier | So you will be able to see it there once I get things going | May 17 03:17 |
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| ziggyfish | tessier, permission maybe? | May 17 03:18 |
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| tessier | I'm sure it is a mysql permission issue. Unfortunately mysql is devilishly complicated when it comes to that sort of thing | May 17 03:18 |
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| ziggyfish | grant all privileges on *.* to someusr@"%" ? | May 17 03:21 |
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| tessier | woohoo...database perm problem fixed. | May 17 03:28 |
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| tessier | I had a typo. | May 17 03:28 |
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| tessier | Now it seems to be redirecting to the old site. | May 17 03:29 |
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| tessier | I bet everything will just work once the dns is updated. | May 17 03:29 |
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| tessier | He said he was going to update is earlier. I wonder why that never happened.... | May 17 03:29 |
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| ziggyfish | true | May 17 03:34 |
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| ziggyfish | tessier, dns cache? | May 17 03:34 |
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| oiaohm | tessier: he will want to test it before transfer dns. | May 17 03:37 |
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| oiaohm | Timing tessier | May 17 03:37 |
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| tessier | Well, right now it points at a placeholder page so I don't see how it could get any worse. :) | May 17 03:40 |
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| oiaohm | Last time the mysql database was not right and when user posted comment it deleted artical. | May 17 03:42 |
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| oiaohm | Way worse. | May 17 03:42 |
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| tessier | That's odd. | May 17 03:42 |
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| oiaohm | It was the last move. | May 17 03:42 |
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| oiaohm | It got damaged in transport. | May 17 03:42 |
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| oiaohm | So it developed a mind of its own. | May 17 03:42 |
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| oiaohm | Reason for wantting to test it before switching it over is simple so that when it comes back on line it working right. | May 17 03:43 |
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| tessier | I'm going to get dinner and perhaps go play some racquetball soon. Have schestowitz give me a ring like he did last night when he's available and I'll jump online as soon as I can. | May 17 03:49 |
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| tessier | Hola Papa_Chango | May 17 03:49 |
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| Papa_Chango | hey there Tessier, what's the latest news on hosting? | May 17 03:50 |
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| tessier | Papa_Chango: It's all up and running on my end afaik. Just waiting for the dns to be changed. | May 17 03:55 |
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| DaemonFC | updating my mom's GPS thing | May 17 04:11 |
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| DaemonFC | :P | May 17 04:11 |
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| DaemonFC | it runs Linux | May 17 04:13 |
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| DaemonFC | but you can't update it USING Linux | May 17 04:13 |
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| DaemonFC | you have to have a Windows PC or a Mac | May 17 04:13 |
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| oiaohm | Is it a tomtom? | May 17 04:18 |
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| DaemonFC | no | May 17 04:18 |
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| oiaohm | If so there are a set of manual instructions around. | May 17 04:18 |
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| DaemonFC | Garmin Nuvi | May 17 04:18 |
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| DaemonFC | she has a computer I gave her with Mandriva on it | May 17 04:18 |
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| DaemonFC | but you have to have their update software | May 17 04:18 |
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| DaemonFC | and I didn't want to try Wine with a $200 device | May 17 04:18 |
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| oiaohm | http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-231452.html With wine it still a ugly process. | May 17 04:20 |
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| DaemonFC | I changed the language file | May 17 04:46 |
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| DaemonFC | it's now a man with a British accent | May 17 04:46 |
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| DaemonFC | she'll get a kick out of that | May 17 04:46 |
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| DaemonFC | :P | May 17 04:46 |
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| tessier | Mmm....full of pizza. | May 17 05:37 |
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| tessier | Now I rest a bit and digest and then go play ball | May 17 05:37 |
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| *tessier has a Tomtom | May 17 05:37 |
| tessier | Actually, my wife does. | May 17 05:37 |
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| tessier | Tomtom seems to use British terminology even when set to American accent | May 17 05:38 |
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| tessier | "Take the motorway..." | May 17 05:38 |
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| schestowitz | tessier: | May 17 05:52 |
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| schestowitz | Hey! | May 17 05:52 |
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| schestowitz | :-) | May 17 05:52 |
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| schestowitz | Let me update DNS | May 17 05:55 |
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| twitter | good morning, Roy | May 17 05:56 |
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| tessier | schestowitz! | May 17 05:57 |
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| schestowitz | Hey :-) | May 17 05:57 |
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| schestowitz | Just phoned you | May 17 05:57 |
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| DaemonFC | "Don’t forget to tune in for my next review of IE 8 where I compare the browser to a steaming pile of dog shit. (Spoiler Alert: The dog shit wins)" | May 17 05:57 |
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| schestowitz | OK, so I have control of all 3 domains | May 17 05:57 |
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| DaemonFC | -Me | May 17 05:57 |
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| tessier | Yep, that's what prompted me to check in here | May 17 05:57 |
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| schestowitz | Let me change DNS | May 17 05:57 |
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| twitter | still no BN, very sad | May 17 05:58 |
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| schestowitz | I'm connected to the server (SSH) | May 17 05:58 |
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| schestowitz | Now going to GoDaddy to change DNS | May 17 05:59 |
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| DaemonFC | ewww | May 17 05:59 |
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| *tessier is migrating everything away from godaddy | May 17 05:59 |
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| DaemonFC | schestowitz: http://nodaddy.com/ | May 17 05:59 |
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| tessier | Their cheesy UI etc just bugs me. | May 17 05:59 |
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| schestowitz | Where do I change it there? | May 17 05:59 |
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| schestowitz | tessier: yes | May 17 05:59 |
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| schestowitz | I complained about to thtme | May 17 05:59 |
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| schestowitz | No Opera support, no Firefox with plguin | May 17 05:59 |
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| schestowitz | I actually SSH to another machine just to use GoDaddy | May 17 06:00 |
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| DaemonFC | you shouldn't have to "support" any particular browser | May 17 06:00 |
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| schestowitz | tessier: under which heading is it? | May 17 06:00 |
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| DaemonFC | ideally you write it and it looks the same anywhere | May 17 06:00 |
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| schestowitz | Not forward, right? | May 17 06:00 |
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| DaemonFC | schestowitz: But it's not all IE's fault that the web is fragmented and hacky | May 17 06:01 |
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| DaemonFC | mostly it is, but not all | May 17 06:01 |
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| DaemonFC | there's varying degrees of standards support between other browsers | May 17 06:01 |
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| tessier | heading? | May 17 06:01 |
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| tessier | I don't use godaddy for dns hosting. Only as a registrar. | May 17 06:01 |
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| schestowitz | Do I change nameserver? | May 17 06:01 |
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| schestowitz | tessier: yes, as a registrar | May 17 06:02 |
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| schestowitz | What to change there, do you know? | May 17 06:02 |
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| tessier | Looks like Name Server: DNS52.DIZINC.COM | May 17 06:02 |
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| tessier | is your name server | May 17 06:03 |
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| tessier | Does that seem right? | May 17 06:03 |
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| DaemonFC | schestowitz: Do you suppose you could host a petition to be sent to the US Department of Justice? | May 17 06:03 |
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| schestowitz | Nameservers: (Last Update 5/16/2009) | May 17 06:03 |
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| schestowitz | DNS52.DIZINC.COM | May 17 06:03 |
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| schestowitz | DNS53.DIZINC.COM | May 17 06:03 |
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| schestowitz | Is that what I should change? | May 17 06:03 |
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| schestowitz | To the IP you gave me? | May 17 06:04 |
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| tessier | No | May 17 06:04 |
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| tessier | But dizinc.com should have some sort of interface or something where you can change the "A" record for where the site points to | May 17 06:04 |
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| tessier | Or you can change those two things you just pasted to point at my nameserver | May 17 06:04 |
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| tessier | And I can host the DNS for you. | May 17 06:04 |
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| tessier | Who is dizinc.com? Do they have anything to do with your prior hosting provider? | May 17 06:05 |
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| schestowitz | Maybe. I don't know. | May 17 06:05 |
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| tessier | Ah, kinda looks like they do | May 17 06:05 |
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| tessier | In which case, yes. Change DNS52.DIZINC.COM and DNS53.DIZINC.COM to be ns1.copilotco.com and ns2.copilotco.com | May 17 06:05 |
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| schestowitz | Shane tried to change this via Go Daddy, but he passed me the domains last night | May 17 06:05 |
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| schestowitz | :-) | May 17 06:06 |
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| tessier | That is probably the easiest thing. I'll set up a zone in my nameserver. | May 17 06:06 |
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| schestowitz | OK | May 17 06:06 |
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| schestowitz | Let me do it | May 17 06:06 |
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| *schestowitz changed | May 17 06:06 |
| *schestowitz changes | May 17 06:06 |
| schestowitz | "Your changes have been submitted. Please allow a few minutes for the changes to take effect." | May 17 06:07 |
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| schestowitz | Nameservers: (Last Update 5/16/2009) | May 17 06:07 |
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| schestowitz | DNS52.DIZINC.COM | May 17 06:07 |
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| schestowitz | DNS53.DIZINC.COM | May 17 06:07 |
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| schestowitz | Wait.. | May 17 06:07 |
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| tessier | heh | May 17 06:07 |
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| schestowitz | So it hasn't refreshed yet | May 17 06:07 |
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| schestowitz | Not on dispplay | May 17 06:08 |
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| schestowitz | But if I reopen the menu it's there. | May 17 06:08 |
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| schestowitz | Someone from the ODF Foundation E-mailed me. They want the site back :-) | May 17 06:08 |
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| schestowitz | Thanks, tessier! | May 17 06:08 |
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| schestowitz | Nameservers: (Last Update 5/16/2009) | May 17 06:09 |
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| schestowitz | NS1.COPILOTCO.COM | May 17 06:09 |
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| schestowitz | NS2.COPILOTCO.COM | May 17 06:09 |
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| schestowitz | Updated now | May 17 06:09 |
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| tessier | cool | May 17 06:10 |
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| oiaohm | schestowitz: you have a lot of support out there. | May 17 06:10 |
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| schestowitz | oiaohm: yes :-) | May 17 06:10 |
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| oiaohm | most likely be 24 hours before the dns change is completely spreed. | May 17 06:11 |
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| tessier | You can put an entry in your /etc/hosts file pointing boycottnovell.com to the new IP if you want to be able to test now | May 17 06:12 |
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| schestowitz | tessier: any way to test it from my side? Oh, I see... | May 17 06:12 |
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| schestowitz | tessier: how is this done? | May 17 06:12 |
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| tessier | Add a line to /etc/hosts | May 17 06:13 |
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| tessier | that looks like this: | May 17 06:13 |
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| schestowitz | On your server, eh? | May 17 06:13 |
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| tessier | 216.105.40.113 boycottnovell.com www.boycottnovell.com | May 17 06:14 |
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| tessier | No, on your local system where you run a web browser | May 17 06:14 |
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| tessier | That will override DNS | May 17 06:14 |
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| schestowitz | Oh, I see. | May 17 06:14 |
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| schestowitz | on copilotco? | May 17 06:14 |
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| schestowitz | =Local system? | May 17 06:15 |
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| tessier | On your desktop | May 17 06:15 |
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| tessier | Already seeing some traffic... | May 17 06:15 |
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| schestowitz | # Do not remove the following line, or various programs | May 17 06:16 |
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| schestowitz | # that require network functionality will fail. | May 17 06:16 |
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| schestowitz | 127.0.0.1localhost.localdomain localhost | May 17 06:16 |
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| schestowitz | 67.202.26.165 svn.copilotco.com svn.copilotconsulting.com | May 17 06:16 |
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| schestowitz | 216.105.40.113 boycottnovell.com www.boycottnovell.com | May 17 06:16 |
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| schestowitz | Cannot write to /etc/hosts/ | May 17 06:16 |
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| schestowitz | Cannot write to /etc/hosts | May 17 06:16 |
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| schestowitz | On the server | May 17 06:16 |
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| tessier | Not on the server | May 17 06:16 |
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| schestowitz | Oh | May 17 06:16 |
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| oiaohm | Own machine. | May 17 06:16 |
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| schestowitz | whose machine? | May 17 06:16 |
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| schestowitz | The old host?? | May 17 06:16 |
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| schestowitz | ~/etc/hosts ? | May 17 06:17 |
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| oiaohm | Your machine so you can get in until dns spreeds schestowitz | May 17 06:17 |
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| tessier | not the old host | May 17 06:17 |
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| tessier | The machine where your web browser is running | May 17 06:17 |
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| oiaohm | DNS changes is fast to remove a entry. | May 17 06:17 |
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| oiaohm | Slow to add one. | May 17 06:17 |
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| schestowitz | OOH | May 17 06:17 |
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| schestowitz | O | May 17 06:17 |
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| schestowitz | OK | May 17 06:17 |
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| schestowitz | Hehe | May 17 06:17 |
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| tessier | I'm just seeing a blank page right now for some reason...checking it out | May 17 06:18 |
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| tessier | Is the main page a wiki or something? | May 17 06:18 |
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| tessier | Looks like it is redirecting to a wiki | May 17 06:18 |
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| tessier | ah-hah | May 17 06:19 |
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| tessier | The php memory limit was set too small. I increased it. Now I get a nice looking page :) | May 17 06:19 |
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| tessier | wiki and blog all appear to be working | May 17 06:19 |
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| oiaohm | Ok its spreed to opendns | May 17 06:19 |
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| oiaohm | Has not got to my local ISP dns yet. | May 17 06:20 |
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| schestowitz | NICE!! | May 17 06:20 |
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| schestowitz | tessier: you're the man | May 17 06:20 |
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| tessier | http://boycottnovell.com/about/ is a broken link | May 17 06:20 |
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| tessier | Not sure if it was that way before the move | May 17 06:20 |
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| tessier | http://boycottnovell.com/2009/05/10/epo-in-state-of-turmoil/ doesn't work either. I suspect something is still amiss. | May 17 06:20 |
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| tessier | Maybe some part of the site remains to be copied over? | May 17 06:21 |
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| oiaohm | About use to work. | May 17 06:21 |
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| schestowitz | Oh wait | May 17 06:21 |
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| schestowitz | Maybe it's the permalinks thing | May 17 06:21 |
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| schestowitz | http://boycottnovell.com/?=p=3 works | May 17 06:22 |
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| schestowitz | http://boycottnovell.com/2009/05/14/killing-software-patents/ does not | May 17 06:22 |
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| schestowitz | So it's a permalink thing | May 17 06:22 |
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| schestowitz | Hold on | May 17 06:22 |
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| oiaohm | Ok I hope this outage does not get slashdot advertised. | May 17 06:23 |
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| schestowitz | Let me check | May 17 06:24 |
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| tessier | I doubt it would. How long has the site been down? | May 17 06:24 |
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| schestowitz | It's WordPress thing | May 17 06:24 |
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| schestowitz | tessier: 2 days | May 17 06:24 |
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| tessier | I don't know much about wordpress | May 17 06:24 |
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| schestowitz | But crippled for a bit longer | May 17 06:24 |
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| schestowitz | tessier: let me see... | May 17 06:24 |
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| tessier | For being a personally hosted website downtime doesn't really matter. | May 17 06:24 |
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| schestowitz | It basically rewrites those long URLs | May 17 06:25 |
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| schestowitz | Going into their post number | May 17 06:25 |
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| oiaohm | tessier: traffic will build up fairly quickly on boycottnovell as normal visitors wake up its back. | May 17 06:28 |
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| schestowitz | Here's how it work. Basically I need to have: | May 17 06:28 |
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| schestowitz | == | May 17 06:28 |
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| schestowitz | RewriteEngine On | May 17 06:28 |
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| schestowitz | RewriteBase / | May 17 06:28 |
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| schestowitz | RewriteCond %{REQUEST_FILENAME} !-f | May 17 06:28 |
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| schestowitz | RewriteCond %{REQUEST_FILENAME} !-d | May 17 06:28 |
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| schestowitz | RewriteRule . /index.php [L] | May 17 06:28 |
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| schestowitz | === | May 17 06:28 |
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| schestowitz | It's already there in .htaccess, which I didn't change during the move | May 17 06:28 |
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| schestowitz | We need to get it right just once :-) | May 17 06:29 |
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| tessier | ah...hmm | May 17 06:29 |
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| oiaohm | is the rewrite mod installed tessier. | May 17 06:31 |
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| oiaohm | I have scratched my head over the same thing only to find I had not installed it. | May 17 06:32 |
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| schestowitz | "Pretty" permalinks usually require mod_rewrite, and IIS (common on Windows servers) does not support mod_rewrite. (If you are using Apache 2.0.54, on Windows, mod_rewrite may work, provided it is enabled in apache\conf\httpd.conf.) | May 17 06:32 |
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| schestowitz | This might be the reason? http://codex.wordpress.org/Using_Permalinks | May 17 06:32 |
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| tessier | I think I fixed it | May 17 06:33 |
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| schestowitz | I think it's possibly related to Apacje | May 17 06:33 |
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| schestowitz | OK | May 17 06:33 |
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| schestowitz | Let's see | May 17 06:33 |
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| schestowitz | Woohoo! | May 17 06:33 |
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| tessier | Needed a tweak to AllowOverride for your directory to enable processing of htaccess files | May 17 06:33 |
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| schestowitz | Excellent! | May 17 06:33 |
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| schestowitz | I'm delighted | May 17 06:33 |
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| tessier | Cruise around and let me know if you find anything else broken... | May 17 06:33 |
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| schestowitz | So now we're less likely yo get delisted from SEs | May 17 06:34 |
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| schestowitz | Google gives us well over 1000 UIPs/day | May 17 06:34 |
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| schestowitz | tessier: thanks | May 17 06:34 |
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| tessier | I notice that http://boycottnovell.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/1176400_executioner.jpg is broken | May 17 06:34 |
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| schestowitz | The next (and last) step is pushing in the rest of the files (media mostly) and sliding in the up-to-date DBs | May 17 06:34 |
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| tessier | There is a link to it on the top story | May 17 06:34 |
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| schestowitz | tessier: yes, I need to put in the images directories | May 17 06:35 |
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| tessier | ah, is that the missing media? | May 17 06:35 |
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| tessier | ok | May 17 06:35 |
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| schestowitz | But Shane and I try to pull the latest DB | May 17 06:35 |
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| schestowitz | The old host is being an ass | May 17 06:35 |
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| oiaohm | What have to wait for quota to be restored schestowitz? | May 17 06:36 |
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| schestowitz | oiaohm: no | May 17 06:38 |
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| schestowitz | Have to wait for old host to stop to let us in to download data | May 17 06:38 |
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| schestowitz | Shane and I will pressure the old host | May 17 06:41 |
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| schestowitz | "New server up and running (DNS may not be refreshed yet). | May 17 06:42 |
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| schestowitz | Need the new DB ASAP. I'll pressure the host as much as I can. | May 17 06:42 |
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| schestowitz | I'll phone them now | May 17 06:42 |
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| oiaohm | If the odf foundation or the like want to offer you another location if it was me I would take it as a back up location schestowitz. | May 17 06:44 |
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| schestowitz | oiaohm: no, "Foundation", not "Alliance" | May 17 06:45 |
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| schestowitz | I can't make new posts until I put in the latest DB | May 17 06:45 |
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| schestowitz | Else I just fragment the DBs | May 17 06:45 |
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| schestowitz | As in, extend an older copy | May 17 06:46 |
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| schestowitz | This copy is actually not very old | May 17 06:46 |
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| schestowitz | Just several posts behind the latest | May 17 06:46 |
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| schestowitz | At least requesters will get pages for now | May 17 06:46 |
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| schestowitz | tessier: I'm grateful | May 17 06:46 |
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| tessier | My pleasure :) | May 17 06:48 |
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| oiaohm | We will all be grateful. Boycottnovell is one of the few sites that follows some issues. | May 17 06:49 |
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| oiaohm | Hopefully a few more sites will start following some of these issues since SCO is basically dead. | May 17 06:49 |
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| tessier | I'm going to go play some racquetball now. If you get new media or database dumps or whatever just upload it and point me to it if there is anything I need to do (like load a fresh copy of the db) and I'll get to it when I return in a couple hours. | May 17 06:50 |
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| schestowitz | oiaohm: thanks. I have some really good posts coming | May 17 06:54 |
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| schestowitz | I've just mailed the old host | May 17 06:54 |
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| schestowitz | To give you an idea where it stands: | May 17 06:54 |
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| schestowitz | "This is becoming a matter of urgency. Shane and I can't access our own account even to just access our data. Please enable access to our data so that we can download it from the server. You don't need to serve any pages, just let us get our data, please." | May 17 06:54 |
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| schestowitz | No phone number for them. They pretend Shane does not exist | May 17 06:54 |
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| schestowitz | We've been customers there for long and now it's like they want to sell us dedicated, so they hold the data hostage | May 17 06:54 |
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| oiaohm | Remember when I said I normally run a local copy of sites and upload to host. | May 17 06:55 |
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| oiaohm | Its experinces like this. | May 17 06:55 |
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| schestowitz | Yeah. | May 17 06:55 |
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| schestowitz | But you run mission-critical things | May 17 06:56 |
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| schestowitz | For companies probably | May 17 06:56 |
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| oiaohm | One is for a computer club. | May 17 06:56 |
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| oiaohm | Smaller than you site. | May 17 06:56 |
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| schestowitz | But you're also a hardcore from work... taking same practices home | May 17 06:56 |
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| oiaohm | It just prevents ISP black mail. | May 17 06:56 |
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| oiaohm | ISP knows you have most of the data. | May 17 06:57 |
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| schestowitz | We paid our bills well | May 17 06:57 |
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| oiaohm | Worst they do is cause a loss of a few user posts. | May 17 06:57 |
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| oiaohm | So pointless black mailing. | May 17 06:57 |
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| schestowitz | It's them who are being unfair here, maybe criminal | May 17 06:57 |
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| schestowitz | They don't even give a reason for it | May 17 06:57 |
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| schestowitz | They ignore Shane | May 17 06:57 |
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| oiaohm | Normal. | May 17 06:57 |
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| schestowitz | And to me they sent this last night. | May 17 06:57 |
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| oiaohm | Again normal. | May 17 06:57 |
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| oiaohm | I would start looking at how well off company is. | May 17 06:58 |
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| schestowitz | "We do apologize for the delay in our response to ticket [GYX-727360], but our Security Team is still evaluating the situation and will update the client via ticket [GYX-727360] once they have made their decision concerning that matter." | May 17 06:58 |
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| schestowitz | Yeah, yeah... | May 17 06:58 |
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| schestowitz | Like a group of them sit around the table with a jury for one day | May 17 06:58 |
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| schestowitz | "Shall we or shall we not allow them to move?" | May 17 06:58 |
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| schestowitz | No phone number | May 17 06:59 |
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| schestowitz | Just tickers | May 17 06:59 |
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| schestowitz | They seem to be an offshoot of the main host | May 17 06:59 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.google.com/search?q=site:www.surpasshosting.com+phone&sourceid=navclient-ff&rlz=1B5GGGL_enGB315GB316&ie=UTF-8&hl=en | May 17 06:59 |
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| oiaohm | Most people learn the leasons I try to tech them the hard way. | May 17 06:59 |
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| oiaohm | No matter how good a host appears always plan for the day they are a ass hole. | May 17 07:00 |
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| oiaohm | Mine leason was learnt when the hosting company I was using for a few business sites got taken over. | May 17 07:01 |
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| oiaohm | It was savage they aquired the company and deleted everything. | May 17 07:01 |
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| schestowitz | Wow | May 17 07:01 |
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| oiaohm | Since nothing in the agreement said they had to mainatian backups. | May 17 07:02 |
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| oiaohm | You have minor annoyance compared to the worse. | May 17 07:02 |
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| schestowitz | I know | May 17 07:02 |
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| schestowitz | And now we serve pages again, as well. | May 17 07:02 |
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| schestowitz | The plan is to restore fully | May 17 07:02 |
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| schestowitz | Then I have like 30 posts to make, over time. I've not been lazy while site was down :-) | May 17 07:03 |
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| oiaohm | I know the work involved to setup locallly. | May 17 07:03 |
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| oiaohm | It does end up worth it when things like this happen. | May 17 07:03 |
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| schestowitz | I can't quite keep local changes every time I upload a file or change the DB online | May 17 07:05 |
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| schestowitz | Lots of hassle | May 17 07:05 |
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| schestowitz | I make daily DB backups, though | May 17 07:06 |
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| oiaohm | I normally use like rsync for the files. | May 17 07:09 |
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| schestowitz | I see... | May 17 07:10 |
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| schestowitz | Well, with cpanel-only access it might be tricky | May 17 07:10 |
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| oiaohm | Host limitations can make it harder to do. | May 17 07:10 |
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| schestowitz | With DNS changed I don't know if I can even access through cpanel to that older account | May 17 07:13 |
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| oiaohm | Out of all the features wordpress has one feature it is missing is server to server sync. | May 17 07:15 |
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| schestowitz | One simpler solution may be simply to pass a guzipped tar of our home directory and the databases (in their current state) via SCP/SSH. This may simplify things. | May 17 07:16 |
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| schestowitz | oiaohm: yeah | May 17 07:16 |
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| schestowitz | Maybe there's a plugin for that | May 17 07:16 |
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| oiaohm | if it had that keeping local and remote in sync would be simple. | May 17 07:17 |
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| schestowitz | I think I'm just missing some pictures on the home dir (in current backup) and about 5 posts in the DB | May 17 07:17 |
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| oiaohm | http://wordpress.org/extend/plugins/wordpress-bbpress-syncronization/ I could not find a wordpress to wordpress but since this is possiable it should be doable. | May 17 07:21 |
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| schestowitz | Yeah.. | May 17 07:23 |
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| schestowitz | Well, I very much doubt the old host will give up the '"hostage" stratgy | May 17 07:23 |
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| schestowitz | Not unless we threaten legal action or something. | May 17 07:23 |
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| oiaohm | Really a working wordpress to wordpress sync would open up if it could be controls like shared articales between different people hosting wordpress. | May 17 07:33 |
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| schestowitz | oiaohm: what do you suggest doing about the host? | May 17 07:36 |
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| schestowitz | What strategy now? | May 17 07:36 |
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| schestowitz | It's not hostile yet, but we do demand access. I showed you their last message | May 17 07:37 |
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| oiaohm | Its heading hostile fast. | May 17 07:37 |
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| oiaohm | If I could find a wordpress sync function I would have said put up new posts. | May 17 07:38 |
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| schestowitz | So what to do? | May 17 07:38 |
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| schestowitz | OH | May 17 07:38 |
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| schestowitz | I see what you mean! | May 17 07:38 |
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| oiaohm | To show that you are not stoped by the missing data. | May 17 07:38 |
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| schestowitz | As in, merge them later | May 17 07:38 |
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| oiaohm | Yep. | May 17 07:38 |
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| schestowitz | Good idea | May 17 07:38 |
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| schestowitz | Here's a thought | May 17 07:38 |
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| schestowitz | Anything that enables 'downloading' posts? | May 17 07:39 |
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| schestowitz | Another option is to post and keep compies in text file | May 17 07:39 |
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| schestowitz | Including post-slug, titles, etc. | May 17 07:39 |
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| schestowitz | Then I can plug these back in later | May 17 07:39 |
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| schestowitz | I can't think of any conflict | May 17 07:40 |
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| oiaohm | Basically if you prove that the missing data is not stopping you and it just annoyance they have lost the black mail advantage. | May 17 07:40 |
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| schestowitz | But I close all comments | May 17 07:40 |
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| schestowitz | To ensure I get no other data which is new | May 17 07:40 |
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| schestowitz | OK | May 17 07:40 |
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| oiaohm | It would have been nicer if I had found a sync function. | May 17 07:40 |
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| schestowitz | I'll do that | May 17 07:40 |
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| schestowitz | oiaohm: thanks! Appreciate it. | May 17 07:40 |
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| schestowitz | How would a sync work? | May 17 07:41 |
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| schestowitz | I mean, what about slug coliision? | May 17 07:41 |
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| oiaohm | It would be like a diff. | May 17 07:41 |
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| oiaohm | Locate what is different. | May 17 07:41 |
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| oiaohm | Any in conflit ask user to chose. | May 17 07:41 |
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| oiaohm | With that having 2 out of sync databases is only a minor annoyance. | May 17 07:42 |
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| schestowitz | Eek | May 17 07:43 |
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| schestowitz | Error pages | May 17 07:43 |
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| *Diablo-D3 (n=diablo@pool-70-16-107-112.port.east.myfairpoint.net) has joined #boycottnovell | May 17 07:44 |
| Diablo-D3 | schestowitz: I noticed you're still having problems | May 17 07:44 |
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| oiaohm | Dont say we have load problems already. | May 17 07:44 |
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| Diablo-D3 | hahahaha | May 17 07:44 |
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| schestowitz | [boycottn@mail ~]$ uptime | May 17 07:44 |
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| schestowitz | 23:58:22 up 5:42, 1 user, load average: 20.65, 11.29, 4.68 | May 17 07:44 |
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| schestowitz | Diablo-D3: go away, troll | May 17 07:45 |
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| Diablo-D3 | I'm not trolling you atm. | May 17 07:45 |
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| schestowitz | You did yesterday | May 17 07:45 |
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| Diablo-D3 | Now, maybe when the website comes back up I'll be able to | May 17 07:45 |
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| Diablo-D3 | schestowitz: I didnt troll you yesterday | May 17 07:46 |
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| schestowitz | You said something like "Stupid site" | May 17 07:46 |
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| oiaohm | Yep something is fishy server side. | May 17 07:46 |
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| schestowitz | oiaohm: what do you mean? | May 17 07:46 |
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| oiaohm | Just got a offer to download index.php. | May 17 07:46 |
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| schestowitz | Oh | May 17 07:46 |
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| schestowitz | Let me disable the wiki temporarily | May 17 07:46 |
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| Diablo-D3 | oiaohm: how is that fishy? | May 17 07:47 |
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| oiaohm | When it should be rendering a web page Diablo-D3 | May 17 07:47 |
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| Diablo-D3 | its a mediawiki, if you dont have shit setup right, it defaults to http://foo.com/installed_dor/index.php?title=shit | May 17 07:47 |
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| Diablo-D3 | *dir | May 17 07:48 |
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| Diablo-D3 | so all your wiki hits will say index.php | May 17 07:48 |
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| Diablo-D3 | I was going to tell schestowitz the other day about that but I forgot | May 17 07:48 |
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| Diablo-D3 | if you're going to troll novell, at least make it look good | May 17 07:48 |
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| schestowitz | Stablising now | May 17 07:52 |
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| DaemonFC | I'm deleting all the foreign voices off this thing | May 17 07:52 |
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| DaemonFC | so it can hold more maps :P | May 17 07:52 |
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| Diablo-D3 | schestowitz: still seems to be really slow | May 17 07:53 |
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| oiaohm | I think it will need a webcache. | May 17 07:53 |
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| DaemonFC | I think a map of Canada or Mexico will be more useful potentially than the damned thing speaking French | May 17 07:54 |
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| DaemonFC | :P | May 17 07:54 |
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| schestowitz | oiaohm: do you think it's normal traffic? | May 17 07:54 |
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| Diablo-D3 | schestowitz: well | May 17 07:54 |
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| Diablo-D3 | its quite possible microsoft is ddossing you | May 17 07:55 |
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| Diablo-D3 | or novell | May 17 07:55 |
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| Diablo-D3 | (or intel, ibm, AMD, the government of japan, UFOs....) | May 17 07:55 |
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| Diablo-D3 | all of them see you as a threat to their profit model | May 17 07:55 |
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| DaemonFC | lesbian nazis from the Jerry Springer show | May 17 07:55 |
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| DaemonFC | :) | May 17 07:55 |
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| oiaohm | schestowitz: we have fun the last time getting load blanced. | May 17 07:56 |
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| Diablo-D3 | whos currently hosting your site/ | May 17 07:56 |
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| *schestowitz removes voice from Diablo-D3 | May 17 07:56 |
| schestowitz | PID USER PR NI VIRT RES SHR S %CPU %MEM TIME+ COMMAND | May 17 07:57 |
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| schestowitz | 1385 mysql 19 0 290m 46m 4484 R 61 1.1 8:32.76 mysqld | May 17 07:57 |
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| schestowitz | 19614 apache 15 0 258m 32m 3424 S 8 0.8 0:00.26 httpd | May 17 07:57 |
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| schestowitz | 17733 apache 15 0 259m 33m 3552 S 6 0.8 0:03.02 httpd | May 17 07:57 |
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| schestowitz | 19546 apache 15 0 259m 33m 3424 S 6 0.8 0:00.44 httpd | May 17 07:57 |
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| schestowitz | 13971 apache 15 0 259m 33m 3552 S 6 0.8 0:09.74 httpd | May 17 07:57 |
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| schestowitz | 15600 apache 15 0 259m 33m 3604 S 6 0.8 0:06.26 httpd | May 17 07:57 |
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| schestowitz | 17671 apache 15 0 259m 33m 3548 S 6 0.8 0:03.13 httpd | May 17 07:57 |
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| schestowitz | 17734 apache 16 0 259m 33m 3584 R 6 0.8 0:03.24 httpd | May 17 07:57 |
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| Diablo-D3 | dude, I wasnt voiced to begin with | May 17 07:57 |
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| *schestowitz has kicked Diablo-D3 from #boycottnovell (schestowitz) | May 17 07:57 |
| *Diablo-D3 (n=diablo@pool-70-16-107-112.port.east.myfairpoint.net) has joined #boycottnovell | May 17 07:57 |
| Diablo-D3 | you shouldn't kick me either. | May 17 07:58 |
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| *schestowitz sets ban on *!*n=diablo@*.port.east.myfairpoint.net | May 17 07:58 |
| *schestowitz has kicked Diablo-D3 from #boycottnovell (schestowitz) | May 17 07:58 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: it comes from mysql mostly | May 17 07:59 |
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| schestowitz | I disabled the Wiki | May 17 07:59 |
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| schestowitz | Still high load | May 17 07:59 |
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| schestowitz | PID USER PR NI VIRT RES SHR S %CPU %MEM TIME+ COMMAND | May 17 08:00 |
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| schestowitz | 1794 plone 15 0 649m 556m 3260 S 0 13.8 10:32.77 python | May 17 08:00 |
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| schestowitz | 1490 postfix 18 0 173m 103m 2752 S 0 2.6 0:01.44 MailScanner | May 17 08:00 |
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| schestowitz | 1686 postfix 18 0 173m 103m 2752 S 0 2.6 0:01.35 MailScanner | May 17 08:00 |
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| schestowitz | 1931 postfix 18 0 173m 103m 2752 S 0 2.6 0:01.32 MailScanner | May 17 08:00 |
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| schestowitz | 1746 postfix 18 0 173m 103m 2752 S 0 2.6 0:01.35 MailScanner | May 17 08:00 |
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| schestowitz | 1866 postfix 18 0 173m 103m 2752 S 0 2.6 0:01.42 MailScanner | May 17 08:00 |
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| schestowitz | 1385 mysql 25 0 290m 46m 4484 R 82 1.1 11:07.87 mysqld | May 17 08:00 |
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| schestowitz | 20034 apache 15 0 263m 37m 3608 S 14 0.9 0:03.83 httpd | May 17 08:00 |
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| schestowitz | 19545 apache 15 0 263m 37m 3620 S 7 0.9 0:04.77 httpd | May 17 08:00 |
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| schestowitz | 19546 apache 15 0 263m 37m 3480 S 0 0.9 0:04.01 httpd | May 17 08:00 |
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| schestowitz | 21810 apache 15 0 263m 37m 3476 S 0 0.9 0:01.30 httpd | May 17 08:00 |
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| schestowitz | 20164 apache 15 0 261m 35m 3576 S 0 0.9 0:03.26 httpd | May 17 08:00 |
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| schestowitz | 20140 apache 15 0 309m 35m 5508 S 0 0.9 0:03.21 httpd | May 17 08:00 |
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| schestowitz | 18012 apache 16 0 260m 34m 3616 S 0 0.9 0:06.50 httpd | May 17 08:00 |
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| schestowitz | 1489 postfix 15 0 98844 34m 696 S 0 0.9 0:00.00 MailScanner | May 17 08:00 |
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| schestowitz | 16293 apache 16 0 260m 34m 3632 S 0 0.9 0:09.18 httpd | May 17 08:00 |
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| schestowitz | It's a mail machine BTW | May 17 08:01 |
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| schestowitz | It was working fine for a while | May 17 08:01 |
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| schestowitz | What do you make of it? | May 17 08:01 |
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| oiaohm | Looks like we need pound squid or something to retuce php processing so reduce mysql accesses. | May 17 08:02 |
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| schestowitz | But could this be DDOS? | May 17 08:02 |
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| oiaohm | Not likely. | May 17 08:02 |
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| schestowitz | BTW, that diablo guy is a troll. He was here yesterday too, trolling. | May 17 08:02 |
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| schestowitz | oiaohm: :-) | May 17 08:02 |
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| schestowitz | OK, that's a relief | May 17 08:02 |
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| oiaohm | This is like the issue we had a while back. | May 17 08:02 |
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| schestowitz | We already have caching in WordPress | May 17 08:02 |
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| oiaohm | That would be the next thing I would check. | May 17 08:03 |
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| oiaohm | Ie that it still working after the move. | May 17 08:03 |
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| schestowitz | let me check cache | May 17 08:03 |
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| oiaohm | Without it in in the past mysql bit the big one. | May 17 08:03 |
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| schestowitz | Maybe it took a while because of DNS kicking back in? | May 17 08:03 |
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| schestowitz | is tessier there? | May 17 08:04 |
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| schestowitz | advanced-cache.php link does not exist | May 17 08:04 |
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| schestowitz | Create it by executing: | May 17 08:04 |
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| schestowitz | Wweird | May 17 08:05 |
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| oiaohm | If you were being ddos you would expect a little more apache load. | May 17 08:05 |
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| oiaohm | Cache not operating would explain it. | May 17 08:06 |
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| schestowitz | Let me give you more info | May 17 08:07 |
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| schestowitz | [boycottn@mail public_html]$ top | May 17 08:07 |
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| schestowitz | top - 00:21:06 up 6:05, 1 user, load average: 18.45, 20.87, 16.87 | May 17 08:07 |
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| schestowitz | Tasks: 190 total, 6 running, 184 sleeping, 0 stopped, 0 zombie | May 17 08:07 |
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| schestowitz | Cpu(s): 84.1%us, 15.6%sy, 0.0%ni, 0.3%id, 0.0%wa, 0.0%hi, 0.0%si, 0.0%st | May 17 08:07 |
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| schestowitz | Mem: 4120576k total, 3721672k used, 398904k free, 13272k buffers | May 17 08:07 |
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| schestowitz | Swap: 4194296k total, 72k used, 4194224k free, 379568k cached | May 17 08:07 |
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| schestowitz | PID USER PR NI VIRT RES SHR S %CPU %MEM TIME+ COMMAND | May 17 08:07 |
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| schestowitz | 1385 mysql 25 0 291m 47m 4484 R 77 1.2 16:11.95 mysqld | May 17 08:07 |
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| schestowitz | 26058 apache 15 0 259m 33m 3444 S 8 0.8 0:02.99 httpd | May 17 08:07 |
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| schestowitz | 27096 apache 15 0 259m 33m 3424 S 8 0.8 0:00.90 httpd | May 17 08:07 |
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| schestowitz | 27160 apache 15 0 258m 32m 3424 S 7 0.8 0:00.87 httpd | May 17 08:07 |
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| schestowitz | 27156 apache 16 0 258m 32m 3440 S 7 0.8 0:00.89 httpd | May 17 08:07 |
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| schestowitz | 15019 apache 16 0 259m 33m 3584 S 7 0.8 0:20.45 httpd | May 17 08:07 |
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| schestowitz | 27189 apache 15 0 259m 33m 3424 S 7 0.8 0:00.85 httpd | May 17 08:07 |
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| schestowitz | 21841 apache 15 0 263m 37m 3684 S 6 0.9 0:11.14 httpd | May 17 08:07 |
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| schestowitz | 24308 apache 15 0 260m 34m 3620 S 6 0.9 0:06.66 httpd | May 17 08:07 |
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| schestowitz | 26057 apache 16 0 259m 33m 3428 S 6 0.8 0:03.19 httpd | May 17 08:07 |
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| schestowitz | 27163 apache 16 0 259m 33m 3564 S 6 0.8 0:00.84 httpd | May 17 08:07 |
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| schestowitz | 27164 apache 15 0 259m 33m 3424 S 6 0.8 0:00.82 httpd | May 17 08:07 |
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| schestowitz | 26060 apache 16 0 259m 33m 3524 S 6 0.8 0:02.97 httpd | May 17 08:07 |
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| schestowitz | Should I try to disable wordpress cache maybe? | May 17 08:08 |
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| schestowitz | I don't know if it give me this error just because of high load | May 17 08:08 |
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| schestowitz | Sometimes the cache settings page won't load | May 17 08:08 |
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| schestowitz | I swap over to a different cache plugin | May 17 08:12 |
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| schestowitz | http://ocaoimh.ie/wp-super-cache/ | May 17 08:12 |
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| schestowitz | I swap plguins for cache | May 17 08:16 |
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| schestowitz | OK, swap complete | May 17 08:17 |
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| schestowitz | Load down momentarily | May 17 08:18 |
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| schestowitz | Warning! /home/boycottn/public_html/wp-content/advanced-cache.php does not exist or cannot be updated. | May 17 08:19 |
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| schestowitz | I wonder... maybe the caching does not quite work? Or could heavy load lead to these errors? | May 17 08:20 |
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| schestowitz | Two separate caching plugins pretend they can't access files that are definitely on there | May 17 08:20 |
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| DaemonFC | hmmm | May 17 08:24 |
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| schestowitz | oiaohm: are yo there? | May 17 08:24 |
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| DaemonFC | the Garmin Nuvi uses FAT32 | May 17 08:24 |
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| schestowitz | how do I tail apache logs? | May 17 08:24 |
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| schestowitz | cd /var/log/apache | May 17 08:25 |
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| schestowitz | I take it offline for a moment | May 17 08:27 |
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| schestowitz | The apache session | May 17 08:27 |
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| DaemonFC | heh | May 17 08:29 |
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| DaemonFC | I have Defraggler defragmenting the GPS device | May 17 08:29 |
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| DaemonFC | :P | May 17 08:29 |
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| schestowitz | [boycottn@mail public_html]$ uptime | May 17 08:30 |
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| schestowitz | 00:43:52 up 6:27, 1 user, load average: 1.25, 12.95, 18.35 | May 17 08:30 |
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| schestowitz | oiaohm: are you therE? | May 17 08:30 |
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| schestowitz | Weird | May 17 08:32 |
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| schestowitz | Renaming index.php to index2.php and then back still leaves me with a front page that's a placeholder for Apache | May 17 08:32 |
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| tessier | Well that's interesting. | May 17 08:37 |
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| schestowitz | Yeah | May 17 08:37 |
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| schestowitz | Here is what happened | May 17 08:37 |
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| schestowitz | The load went up | May 17 08:37 |
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| schestowitz | mysql took a lot of load | May 17 08:38 |
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| schestowitz | Maybe DNS kicking in | May 17 08:38 |
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| schestowitz | I disabled the Wiki | May 17 08:38 |
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| schestowitz | It made no real difference | May 17 08:38 |
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| tessier | The machine does mail, web, various things. Eventually I will separate the concenrs. | May 17 08:38 |
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| tessier | concenrs | May 17 08:38 |
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| tessier | concerns | May 17 08:38 |
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| schestowitz | Then, to prevent load on the server I just renamed the index (index.php) to something else | May 17 08:38 |
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| schestowitz | To sort of disable thing | May 17 08:38 |
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| schestowitz | *things | May 17 08:38 |
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| tessier | 1242546757.205 3605 88.198.60.8 TCP_MISS/200 362 HEAD http://boycottnovell.com/ - DIRECT/127.0.0.1 text/html | May 17 08:39 |
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| schestowitz | Now I changed it back | May 17 08:39 |
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| tessier | That ip is doing a HEAD on the site as many times as possible | May 17 08:39 |
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| tessier | Just a sec, I'll firewall it off... | May 17 08:39 |
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| schestowitz | 88.198.60.8 <-- don't know it | May 17 08:39 |
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| schestowitz | "tor-proxy.va6.de" | May 17 08:40 |
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| schestowitz | 88.198.60.8 resolves to | May 17 08:40 |
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| schestowitz | "tor-proxy.va6.de" | May 17 08:40 |
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| schestowitz | Top Level Domain: "va6.de" | May 17 08:40 |
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| schestowitz | Country IP Address: GERMANY | May 17 08:40 |
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| schestowitz | Call me a nut if you like, but Germany is where a lot of people hate BN because of SUSE | May 17 08:40 |
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| schestowitz | And this is TOR | May 17 08:40 |
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| schestowitz | Why TOR? | May 17 08:40 |
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| tessier | tor is an anonymous proxy | May 17 08:43 |
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| schestowitz | Yes | May 17 08:43 |
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| tessier | That is definitely someone fscking with us | May 17 08:43 |
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| schestowitz | Could there be a DDOS | May 17 08:43 |
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| tessier | I'll fix their wagon... | May 17 08:43 |
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| schestowitz | Aha | May 17 08:43 |
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| tessier | Yes, it is a DDOS | May 17 08:43 |
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| schestowitz | Thanks, tessier. It's good news in a way. it means the site itself scales | May 17 08:45 |
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| schestowitz | But malicious intervention may have been the cause. Some troll here came in with glee yesterday and today just minutes after the attack on the site (high load) had begun | May 17 08:45 |
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| tessier | This attack is why your previous provider shut you off? | May 17 08:48 |
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| schestowitz | Yes | May 17 08:48 |
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| schestowitz | I wodner about this troll we had here. | May 17 08:49 |
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| schestowitz | Watch the timings: | May 17 08:49 |
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| schestowitz | 7:34am: <schestowitz> Eek | May 17 08:49 |
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| schestowitz | 7:34am: <schestowitz> Error pages | May 17 08:49 |
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| schestowitz | 7:35am: * Diablo-D3 (n=diablo@pool-70-16-107-112.port.east.myfairpoint.net) has joined #boycottnovell | May 17 08:49 |
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| schestowitz | 7:35am: <Diablo-D3> schestowitz: I noticed you're still having problems | May 17 08:49 |
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| schestowitz | 7:35am: <oiaohm> Dont say we have load problems already. | May 17 08:49 |
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| schestowitz | 7:35am: <Diablo-D3> hahahaha | May 17 08:49 |
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| schestowitz | 7:36am: <schestowitz> [boycottn@mail ~]$ uptime | May 17 08:49 |
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| schestowitz | 7:36am: <schestowitz> 23:58:22 up 5:42, 1 user, load average: 20.65, 11.29, 4.68 | May 17 08:49 |
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| schestowitz | 7:36am: <schestowitz> Diablo-D3: go away, troll | May 17 08:49 |
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| schestowitz | ONE MINUTE after I get error pages (loading pages rapidly) he comes in and laughs | May 17 08:49 |
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| schestowitz | One minute!! | May 17 08:49 |
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| schestowitz | He was here to make fun of us yesterday as well | May 17 08:49 |
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| schestowitz | I'll set cache back on | May 17 08:51 |
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| tessier | There we go. He's all firewalled off. I may have to add some iptables rate limits to port 80. | May 17 08:53 |
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| schestowitz | :-) | May 17 08:53 |
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| schestowitz | Wow. You're s star! | May 17 08:54 |
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| schestowitz | BTW, the mysql pattern matches that which the host sent me | May 17 08:54 |
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| schestowitz | Excessive load with same culprit | May 17 08:54 |
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| schestowitz | Load will be lowered soon. The cache was flushed for WordPress, not rebuilt as pages are served | May 17 08:55 |
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| schestowitz | I'll put the Wiki back on | May 17 08:55 |
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| DaemonFC | gah | May 17 08:56 |
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| DaemonFC | uploading a map to this thing redefines SLOW | May 17 08:56 |
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| DaemonFC | http://news.softpedia.com/news/Vista-SP2-RTM-DVD-ISO-Images-Available-for-Download-111765.shtml | May 17 08:56 |
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| schestowitz | Oh, it's back | May 17 08:57 |
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| schestowitz | high load. DDOS again? | May 17 08:57 |
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| schestowitz | PID USER PR NI VIRT RES SHR S %CPU %MEM TIME+ COMMAND | May 17 08:57 |
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| schestowitz | 1385 mysql 15 0 292m 51m 4484 S 82 1.3 39:26.85 mysqld | May 17 08:57 |
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| DaemonFC | Vista SP2 has the XBOX 360 controller driver integrateds | May 17 09:01 |
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| DaemonFC | about time | May 17 09:01 |
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| zer0c00l | wtf: http://www.hindu.com/2009/05/17/stories/2009051751071100.htm | May 17 09:03 |
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| zer0c00l | they bribed the national news paper too :( | May 17 09:03 |
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| zer0c00l | they writing stories about msft vista 7 | May 17 09:03 |
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| zer0c00l | i have never seen a article on that page about linux or foss :( | May 17 09:03 |
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| zer0c00l | too bad | May 17 09:03 |
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| DaemonFC | schestowitz: Microsoft may have hired the guy that made nLite/vLite | May 17 09:04 |
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| schestowitz | zer0c00l: probably W-E at work, pushing adverts as 'articles' | May 17 09:05 |
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| DaemonFC | http://brokencontrollers.com/forums/end-of-road-for-nlite-vlite-microsoft-hires-dino-nuhagic-t313944.php | May 17 09:05 |
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| zer0c00l | schestowitz, yes | May 17 09:05 |
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| DaemonFC | would make sense | May 17 09:05 |
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| DaemonFC | having utilities out there that remove so called "integrated" Windows components kind of undermines them | May 17 09:06 |
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| DaemonFC | in these antitrust ordeals | May 17 09:06 |
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| DaemonFC | the best way to get rid of him may be to hire him | May 17 09:06 |
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| schestowitz | Just mailed my host | May 17 09:08 |
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| schestowitz | tessier: I pretend it's only temporary so that they don't get annoyed | May 17 09:08 |
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| schestowitz | === | May 17 09:09 |
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| schestowitz | Hi, | May 17 09:09 |
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| schestowitz | Hope you are well and sorry for nagging. To test what is happening I enabled the account on a friend's server (that's why I needed the DB). | May 17 09:09 |
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| schestowitz | It turns out that there was a DDOS attack and there *still* is one. It's coming from TOR, e.g.: | May 17 09:09 |
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| schestowitz | 88.198.60.8 resolves to | May 17 09:09 |
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| schestowitz | "tor-proxy.va6.de" | May 17 09:09 |
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| schestowitz | Top Level Domain: "va6.de" | May 17 09:09 |
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| schestowitz | Country IP Address: GERMANY | May 17 09:09 |
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| schestowitz | Is that what you're seeing as well? | May 17 09:09 |
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| schestowitz | 1242546757.205 3605 88.198.60.8 TCP_MISS/200 362 HEAD http://boycottnovell.com/ - DIRECT/127.0.0.1 text/html | May 17 09:09 |
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| schestowitz | That IP is doing a HEAD on the site as many times as possible | May 17 09:09 |
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| schestowitz | Might this need escalating to some investigation by Net authorities? Shane and I want to resolve these issues as soon as possible and since you gave no feedback for days we wanted to test the account on another machine (not a company). It seems like pure DDOS, nothing to do with server load or requiring a dedicated server. The server we test this on is pretty dedicated and the DDOS brings it to its knees. | May 17 09:09 |
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| schestowitz | === | May 17 09:09 |
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| schestowitz | I also made a post in BN | May 17 09:09 |
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| DaemonFC | schestowitz: "With the EU after Microsoft for illegally bundling Idiot Exploiter, it can’t look good that there are utilities out there that can in fact surgically remove it." | May 17 09:12 |
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| DaemonFC | from a blog post I'm writing | May 17 09:12 |
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| zer0c00l | www.hindu.com makes my firefox unresponsive | May 17 09:13 |
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| zer0c00l | :( | May 17 09:13 |
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| zer0c00l | DaemonFC, could you investigate why is that happening? | May 17 09:13 |
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| DaemonFC | "Logically, I could see why Microsoft would want to hire the man to get him to stop undermining their claims that this crap is a “non-removable component of Windows” rather than foistware pushed on the end user in order to illegally stifle the competition." | May 17 09:14 |
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| schestowitz | COOL! | May 17 09:15 |
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| schestowitz | I finally got caching working on the new server | May 17 09:15 |
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| schestowitz | There were small permission issues (chmod), so now we can cache pages to lower the load | May 17 09:15 |
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| DaemonFC | "Earlier in vLite development, the Redmond bully forbade him from distributing the 44 kilobyte WIM image filter necessary to customize Windows ISO images, forcing the user to download a 1.1 GIGABYTE ISO image of the Windows Automated Installation Kit to get the offending driver." | May 17 09:16 |
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| schestowitz | tessier: WordPress cache now enabled. It was disabled before. | May 17 09:16 |
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| schestowitz | This means load will be lessened considerable within a short while | May 17 09:17 |
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| tessier | cool | May 17 09:17 |
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| shreddar | Well it's up again.... | May 17 09:17 |
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| schestowitz | tessier: this concurs fully with what I thought on Thursay night | May 17 09:18 |
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| schestowitz | I thought it was DDOS | May 17 09:18 |
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| schestowitz | It looked like it | May 17 09:18 |
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| tessier | I am working on putting some rate limiting stuff into place so this cannot happen again. | May 17 09:18 |
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| schestowitz | But there are also those who tell "paranoid" | May 17 09:18 |
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| schestowitz | tessier: thanks | May 17 09:18 |
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| schestowitz | I told the old host to | May 17 09:18 |
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| schestowitz | *too | May 17 09:18 |
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| shreddar | Sadly the exibits are missing. | May 17 09:18 |
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| shreddar | The ones I've checked anyway | May 17 09:18 |
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| schestowitz | This might explain why it took them a long time to investigate | May 17 09:18 |
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| schestowitz | They just locked it out and said they were still invietigating | May 17 09:19 |
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| DaemonFC | "Unfortunately with Windows 7 approaching, users could never have needed a utility to strip down Windows more, as the installer will copy all files for the Ultimate Edition to the users hard disk regardless of the version they bought, and will leave them there, functionless, until the user pays Microsoft more money to “activate” them." | May 17 09:19 |
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| schestowitz | shreddar: no worries, it'll be back too | May 17 09:19 |
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| schestowitz | I just put back the s/w and databases, not external files | May 17 09:19 |
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| shreddar | Well then! | May 17 09:20 |
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| shreddar | I can hardly wait. | May 17 09:20 |
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| shreddar | This time I save 'em for my keeping. | May 17 09:20 |
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| DaemonFC | http://izanbardprince.wordpress.com/2009/05/17/did-microsoft-hire-maker-of-nlite-and-vlite/ | May 17 09:24 |
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| *shreddar satisfied and sleepy | May 17 09:24 |
| shreddar | I'm turning in for the night. | May 17 09:25 |
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| *shreddar has quit ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") | May 17 09:25 |
| schestowitz | The FOSS betrayers are at it again (against FOSS): "Tim O'Reilly has been stating for years that open source qua licensing is dead, and that the real debate/interest has moved to open source's attributes of open, community-based collaboration." http://news.cnet.com/8301-13505_3-10241865-16.html | May 17 09:29 |
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| schestowitz | This shows how selfish they are. The ORLY group | May 17 09:29 |
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| tessier | I've never heard him say that. | May 17 09:31 |
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| schestowitz | Yeah, but Asay says so | May 17 09:31 |
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| tessier | If he did I bet he meant the discussion of it is dead. And it mostly is. Everyone has taken their sides already. | May 17 09:31 |
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| schestowitz | tessier: are multiple IPs knocking on the server? | May 17 09:31 |
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| tessier | They were. All tor exit nodes. | May 17 09:32 |
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| schestowitz | Wow | May 17 09:32 |
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| tessier | But either they have all been firewalled off or the attacker gave up. | May 17 09:32 |
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| schestowitz | Wow | May 17 09:32 |
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| schestowitz | I guess someone does not love the Web site | May 17 09:32 |
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| schestowitz | Right now I get: "Error establishing a database connection" | May 17 09:33 |
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| schestowitz | I suppose it's still ongoing some wor | May 17 09:33 |
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| schestowitz | *work (server) | May 17 09:33 |
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| schestowitz | I see that the Wiki too has no access to its database | May 17 09:43 |
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| schestowitz | tessier: thank you so much for all this. | May 17 09:44 |
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| tessier | No problem | May 17 09:47 |
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| schestowitz | This actually gives a form of defense to us, stating that we came under DDOS attacks. There was slander some years ago about Groklaw members DDOSing Sys-con. It's a lie, Sys-con said publicly that it's false, but the lie lives on. | May 17 09:49 |
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| schestowitz | I don't think Groklaw was DDOSed though. Not as far as I know. | May 17 09:49 |
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| schestowitz | tessier: could you put some offending IPs so that I can look them up and see if more than one is located in Germany? | May 17 09:50 |
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| schestowitz | This might help in finding the route/root of the problem | May 17 09:50 |
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| schestowitz | I see the attackers are back as soon as the DB is there. Load avg: 47.44, 23.59, 10.65 | May 17 09:54 |
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| tessier | I wouldn't recommend posting that the attackers were sucessful | May 17 09:57 |
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| tessier | It only encourages them. | May 17 09:57 |
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| schestowitz | Oh | May 17 09:57 |
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| DaemonFC | http://www.microsoft.com/resources/howtotell/content.aspx?displaylang=en&pg=counterfeit | May 17 10:02 |
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| DaemonFC | hehehe | May 17 10:02 |
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| schestowitz | here is my message from 2-3 days ago: | May 17 10:12 |
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| schestowitz | "I notice that the account has been on- and off-line for some moments. In case it helps, I noticed that the swap was used (like 33% despite the fact that only about 40% of RAM was used). Having looked at my logs over the night, it doesn't seem as though there was any suspicious activity, but maybe there was DDOS. The account usually keeps a low load by caching. " | May 17 10:12 |
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| schestowitz | So I was right at the time, but the host said nothing | May 17 10:12 |
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| schestowitz | They have just respondes | May 17 10:12 |
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| schestowitz | Responsed | May 17 10:12 |
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| schestowitz | *ded, saying it's an issue of abuse against the server (DDOS) | May 17 10:12 |
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| oiaohm | Sorry schestowitz I got pulled away. | May 17 10:14 |
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| oiaohm | And I do mean pulled. | May 17 10:14 |
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| schestowitz | By "abuse" they probably mean abuse against the server by the attackers. | May 17 10:14 |
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| schestowitz | oiaohm: it's DDOS | May 17 10:14 |
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| schestowitz | Tor | May 17 10:14 |
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| schestowitz | The older host says they have been treating it as "abuse" too | May 17 10:14 |
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| oiaohm | Can you delete taht last message of yours schestowitz | May 17 10:17 |
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| oiaohm | Rule of DDOS attacks never own up to. | May 17 10:17 |
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| tessier | Yep | May 17 10:17 |
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| schestowitz | sure | May 17 10:17 |
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| oiaohm | You had configuration problems schestowitz | May 17 10:17 |
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| schestowitz | will delete it | May 17 10:17 |
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| tacone | uh, wow, up again | May 17 10:18 |
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| oiaohm | I get many annoyed letters from people using tor that I block the tor network. | May 17 10:19 |
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| schestowitz | tacone: ddos | May 17 10:19 |
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| schestowitz | same as in thurs | May 17 10:19 |
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| schestowitz | host been invetigating too | May 17 10:19 |
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| oiaohm | too many people use it for ddos attacks. | May 17 10:19 |
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| oiaohm | I would thank them in a way. It showed a load handing problem. | May 17 10:20 |
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| oiaohm | media wiki does not fail cleanly. | May 17 10:20 |
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| schestowitz | i disables wkimedia | May 17 10:21 |
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| schestowitz | didn't reduce lod | May 17 10:21 |
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| schestowitz | didn't reduce load | May 17 10:21 |
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| tacone | no ? | May 17 10:21 |
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| schestowitz | <schestowitz> Watch the timings: | May 17 10:22 |
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| schestowitz | <schestowitz> 7:34am: <schestowitz> Eek | May 17 10:22 |
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| schestowitz | <schestowitz> 7:34am: <schestowitz> Error pages | May 17 10:22 |
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| schestowitz | <schestowitz> 7:35am: * Diablo-D3 (n=diablo@pool-70-16-107-112.port.east.myfairpoint.net) has joined #boycottnovell | May 17 10:22 |
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| schestowitz | <schestowitz> 7:35am: <Diablo-D3> schestowitz: I noticed you're still having problems | May 17 10:22 |
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| schestowitz | <schestowitz> 7:35am: <oiaohm> Dont say we have load problems already. | May 17 10:22 |
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| schestowitz | <schestowitz> 7:35am: <Diablo-D3> hahahaha | May 17 10:22 |
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| schestowitz | <schestowitz> 7:36am: <schestowitz> [boycottn@mail ~]$ uptime | May 17 10:22 |
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| schestowitz | <schestowitz> 7:36am: <schestowitz> 23:58:22 up 5:42, 1 user, load average: 20.65, 11.29, 4.68 | May 17 10:22 |
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| schestowitz | <schestowitz> 7:36am: <schestowitz> Diablo-D3: go away, troll | May 17 10:22 |
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| tessier | Load is going down. It has automatically blocked most of the tor IP's by now probably | May 17 10:22 |
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| schestowitz | tessier: thank you| | May 17 10:22 |
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| oiaohm | Simple filter on source site tor-proxy.* takes out most tor-proxys in existance. | May 17 10:23 |
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| schestowitz | Yes, I see load going down again | May 17 10:23 |
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| schestowitz | This one we have looks like "tor-proxy.va6.de" | May 17 10:23 |
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| schestowitz | Maybe others (I don't know) | May 17 10:23 |
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| oiaohm | All of them are basically tor-proxy.* | May 17 10:24 |
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| schestowitz | tacone: I don't think it was related to any CMS at all. | May 17 10:24 |
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| schestowitz | I disabled the Wiki and looked at server load | May 17 10:24 |
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| oiaohm | Freenode uses a simpler filter when it kills of tor networks when it under attack. | May 17 10:24 |
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| schestowitz | It was the same pretty much | May 17 10:24 |
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| schestowitz | I had the Wiki down for about 15 minutes and it didn't solve it | May 17 10:24 |
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| oiaohm | we still have to find out why media wiki is not failing clean under load. | May 17 10:24 |
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| schestowitz | oiaohm: what do you mean? | May 17 10:25 |
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| oiaohm | Giving me download index.php is not a clean failure. | May 17 10:25 |
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| oiaohm | Cannot connect to database or http error code is a clean failure. | May 17 10:26 |
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| oiaohm | Not half way. | May 17 10:26 |
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| schestowitz | I see... well, I didn't see how the wiki failed before | May 17 10:26 |
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| schestowitz | I had DDOS on schestowitz.com in 2005 | May 17 10:27 |
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| schestowitz | But not quite on the same scale I think. My host was helpful, but it took a lot of effort | May 17 10:27 |
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| tacone | i oiaohm that may be an apache fail | May 17 10:28 |
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| oiaohm | tacone: apache config fail. | May 17 10:28 |
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| tacone | malformed headers | May 17 10:28 |
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| tacone | no | May 17 10:28 |
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| tacone | config ? | May 17 10:28 |
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| oiaohm | http://www.apsis.ch/pound/ Putting something like this auditing headers can reduce problems. | May 17 10:29 |
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| oiaohm | Setting appache in case of incomplete processing drop to web error message. | May 17 10:29 |
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| oiaohm | Basically not failing clean one way or the other is a configuration erorr tacone | May 17 10:30 |
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| tessier | Load is well below 1 and seems to be staying there. I'm going to get some sleep. ttyl | May 17 10:31 |
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| oiaohm | tessier: have some good Zzzz. | May 17 10:32 |
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| schestowitz | tessier: thanks! | May 17 10:33 |
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| schestowitz | :-) load average: 0.36, 4.44, 12.87 | May 17 10:34 |
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| tacone | buono | May 17 10:34 |
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| tacone | errr. good. | May 17 10:34 |
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| oiaohm | We will still have to look at fitting some heavier defences schestowitz. | May 17 10:35 |
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| schestowitz | I am actually somewhat relieved to know it's not that our site malfunctions due to s/w but that it's a malicious attack that will pass | May 17 10:35 |
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| tacone | schestowitz: will you blog about all that gartner toilette paper in the next days ? | May 17 10:35 |
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| schestowitz | The other host has said it was a "Web abuse" issue since it look at in on Thurs | May 17 10:35 |
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| oiaohm | malicious attacks that have lasted this long will be back in a different form. | May 17 10:35 |
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| schestowitz | They actually let the account stay up there under attack between around midnight to 9am on Friday | May 17 10:36 |
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| schestowitz | Then they try to put it back up | May 17 10:36 |
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| schestowitz | Maybe with filters | May 17 10:36 |
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| schestowitz | tacone: yes, I have a long post about it coming | May 17 10:36 |
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| tacone | nice. there are many little things in that document | May 17 10:36 |
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| tacone | sadly, i have broken internet at home right now | May 17 10:37 |
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| tacone | so my blog superpowers are reduced | May 17 10:37 |
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| schestowitz | There are now two servers with BN accounts on them | May 17 10:37 |
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| schestowitz | But only one is open to connections | May 17 10:37 |
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| schestowitz | tacone: quadruple the #s | May 17 10:37 |
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| oiaohm | an HTTP/HTTPS sanitizer: Pound will verify requests for correctness and accept only well-formed ones. << It would be interesting to test attack against pound filter. | May 17 10:37 |
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| schestowitz | Many people will read summaries or other site | May 17 10:37 |
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| schestowitz | Or the blog that links to a blog that... | May 17 10:37 |
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| schestowitz | tacone: http://www.osdir.com/Article10282.phtml | May 17 10:38 |
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| schestowitz | See discussion | May 17 10:38 |
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| oiaohm | If it will make it fail we have a secound wall. | May 17 10:38 |
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| tacone | the what ? | May 17 10:38 |
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| schestowitz | About your findings | May 17 10:38 |
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| schestowitz | tacone: numbers | May 17 10:38 |
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| tacone | oh let me see | May 17 10:38 |
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| schestowitz | tacone: always remember the sort of 'whisper effect' | May 17 10:39 |
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| schestowitz | You say X\ | May 17 10:39 |
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| schestowitz | Then the reader passes on X+-Y to another person | May 17 10:39 |
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| schestowitz | So any site can have impact even without direct visitors | May 17 10:39 |
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| tacone | well | May 17 10:39 |
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| schestowitz | There's also those who just read the LinuxToday/Slashdot/TuxMachines summary/whatever | May 17 10:39 |
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| tacone | it was me to send to slashdot :) | May 17 10:39 |
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| schestowitz | And then there's long-going effect of being on Goolgle | May 17 10:40 |
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| schestowitz | newspapers don't have that | May 17 10:40 |
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| schestowitz | One day you read the paper, the next day it's in the bin for good | May 17 10:40 |
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| oiaohm | So you have A and B servers. | May 17 10:40 |
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| tacone | i hope linuxtoday publish it also, but i didn't send it to them, because i already sent another news | May 17 10:40 |
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| schestowitz | The Internet ensures that data lasts | May 17 10:40 |
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| oiaohm | Need to be set with different passwords of course schestowitz. | May 17 10:40 |
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| schestowitz | That's why BN gets a lot of visits, mostly older posts | May 17 10:40 |
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| tacone | i'd just like people to mirror the pdf instead of linking my site | May 17 10:40 |
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| oiaohm | So that if someone does get in you have a plan b. | May 17 10:40 |
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| tacone | i'd not like gartner attention on me :) | May 17 10:41 |
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| schestowitz | Some sites have poor shelf life, esp. those that aggregate news, unlike say, academic papers | May 17 10:41 |
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| schestowitz | oiaohm: yes | May 17 10:41 |
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| DaemonFC | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Click_of_death | May 17 10:41 |
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| schestowitz | oiaohm: here's a thought | May 17 10:41 |
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| schestowitz | tacone: yeah, attribution helps though | May 17 10:41 |
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| schestowitz | oiaohm: yes, with control on all DNS entries right now I can also swap between accounts | May 17 10:42 |
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| schestowitz | So it's more robust to failure | May 17 10:42 |
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| oiaohm | And when you close comments. | May 17 10:42 |
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| schestowitz | tacone: I get a lot of hits on "gartner" something | May 17 10:42 |
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| schestowitz | They obviously hare me | May 17 10:42 |
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| oiaohm | You can also use DNS to share load roughtly between both servers. | May 17 10:42 |
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| tacone | what people don't get about that document | May 17 10:43 |
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| schestowitz | Because I showed their corruption though old studies, Comes exhibits, etc. | May 17 10:43 |
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| oiaohm | Ie DNS sharing cannot have open editing. | May 17 10:43 |
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| schestowitz | People in LinuxToday use these to kick em to the curb | May 17 10:43 |
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| tacone | is that gartner suggests to not switch to linux because the cost of the migration | May 17 10:43 |
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| oiaohm | There are migration issues. | May 17 10:43 |
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| tacone | you're in jail, and escaping from jail costs a lot. just stay there and pay the rent | May 17 10:43 |
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| schestowitz | Yes | May 17 10:43 |
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| oiaohm | I know them too well. | May 17 10:43 |
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| schestowitz | tacone: TCO | May 17 10:43 |
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| schestowitz | You know who invented TCO? | May 17 10:43 |
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| schestowitz | Microsoft | May 17 10:43 |
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| schestowitz | And Garrner | May 17 10:43 |
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| schestowitz | Sitting together | May 17 10:44 |
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| schestowitz | Search "TCO gartner" on BN | May 17 10:44 |
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| schestowitz | We have exhibits and also such accusations from CIOs who didn't have the docs to show it | May 17 10:44 |
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| schestowitz | I intend to make a big Wiki profile just for Gartner | May 17 10:44 |
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| schestowitz | And one for Zuck too | May 17 10:44 |
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| oiaohm | Migration issues can be reduced by piece by peice removal of like MS office. | May 17 10:44 |
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| schestowitz | Some Europeans who are involved in law-making I'm in touch with hate Zuck with passion | May 17 10:45 |
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| schestowitz | They ask me to create a resource to which they can point to show what he is. | May 17 10:45 |
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| *schestowitz looks at load avg : 0.77, 1.33, 6.62 | May 17 10:45 |
| schestowitz | I'm also passing the peripheral files to the server ATM | May 17 10:46 |
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| schestowitz | So we can have a snapshot on tessier's server | May 17 10:46 |
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| DaemonFC | schestowitz: I ended up just turning back the clock on my computer to get out of buying Windows 98 | May 17 10:46 |
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| DaemonFC | that was pretty funny | May 17 10:46 |
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| schestowitz | It's possible that the older host will bring back the site after the investigation is over | May 17 10:46 |
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| oiaohm | http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.1/en/query-cache.html just wondering if the mysql where you are has this. | May 17 10:46 |
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| schestowitz | Then we have the site on two servers | May 17 10:46 |
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| DaemonFC | I also got a trial version of Windows 2000 with a class I took | May 17 10:47 |
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| schestowitz | DaemonFC: I has Win98 | May 17 10:47 |
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| schestowitz | My last one | May 17 10:47 |
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| schestowitz | Not good | May 17 10:47 |
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| DaemonFC | all you had to do was set the clock 1,000 years in the future | May 17 10:47 |
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| DaemonFC | then install it | May 17 10:47 |
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| schestowitz | I recall days when I woke up to BSoD | May 17 10:47 |
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| oiaohm | Not having it would explain why the load spreed was wrong for what I was expecting schestowitz. | May 17 10:47 |
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| schestowitz | *Ds | May 17 10:47 |
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| DaemonFC | then set the clock back | May 17 10:47 |
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| schestowitz | The trauma lives on distantly | May 17 10:47 |
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| schestowitz | I now find my PC always working when I wake up | May 17 10:47 |
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| *tacone has quit ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") | May 17 10:47 |
| schestowitz | └─(10:47 $)─> uptime | May 17 10:47 |
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| schestowitz | 10:47:51 up 73 days, 20:06, 2 users, load average: 1.01, 0.97, 1.11 | May 17 10:47 |
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| DaemonFC | there's always a way to easily use Windows for free | May 17 10:47 |
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| DaemonFC | they never try real hard to stop that either | May 17 10:48 |
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| schestowitz | For a desktop under a variety of loads and activities that's pretty good. Considering all it has been through after that last boot back in March | May 17 10:48 |
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| DaemonFC | Vista SP2 doesn't even check for or kill any software based OEM BIOS loaders | May 17 10:48 |
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| DaemonFC | SP1 killed a few cracks that weren't all that difficult to spot | May 17 10:49 |
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| DaemonFC | but they have never made a real effort to crack down on anyone | May 17 10:49 |
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| DaemonFC | just enough to inconvenience you into maybe buying it | May 17 10:50 |
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| schestowitz | Hey, tacone | May 17 10:50 |
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| schestowitz | I thought you had left rudely :-) | May 17 10:50 |
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| tacone | schestowitz: i'm connecting from macosx tethered to an iphone | May 17 10:51 |
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| tacone | it's not an ideal situation, really | May 17 10:51 |
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| tacone | i've no cable internet at home right now, it broke. | May 17 10:51 |
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| oiaohm | Funny one is most of MS attempts to crack down gets people who are not gulity DaemonFC | May 17 10:52 |
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| DaemonFC | nah | May 17 10:52 |
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| tacone | i may have missed some msg, also | May 17 10:52 |
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| DaemonFC | nothing can compare to the time their activation server went down | May 17 10:52 |
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| DaemonFC | and everyone who had a WGA check got flagged as a pirate for 3 days | May 17 10:52 |
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| oiaohm | I was forgetting about that. | May 17 10:52 |
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| DaemonFC | that was truly epic | May 17 10:52 |
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| DaemonFC | yeah, which is why Vista doesn't shut you out anymore | May 17 10:53 |
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| DaemonFC | if you fail a WEGA check | May 17 10:53 |
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| DaemonFC | *WGA | May 17 10:53 |
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| DaemonFC | it just bitches every hour and turns off Aero and your wallpaper | May 17 10:53 |
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| schestowitz | tacone: heh. Hypephone | May 17 10:53 |
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| schestowitz | oiaohm: it's not about catching | May 17 10:54 |
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| DaemonFC | basically if you turn off balloon tips it can't even bitch | May 17 10:54 |
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| schestowitz | It's about creating fear | May 17 10:54 |
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| schestowitz | Like "terror" tactics | May 17 10:54 |
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| DaemonFC | so you get a free copy of what amounts to Vista Bacis with no wallpaper | May 17 10:54 |
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| DaemonFC | :) | May 17 10:54 |
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| schestowitz | "we're onto you" type message | May 17 10:54 |
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| schestowitz | For compliance | May 17 10:54 |
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| tacone | schestowitz: let's not even start about apple stuff. i've got to meet those bitches in person, one day... | May 17 10:54 |
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| DaemonFC | yeah, I got flagged when I used XP | May 17 10:54 |
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| schestowitz | Through fear and case studies. Same in the UK when it comes to all sorts of abuse-sensitive things. | May 17 10:55 |
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| schestowitz | tacone: heh. OK | May 17 10:55 |
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| DaemonFC | they offered to "turn it into a licensed copy" if I "bought a serial number" | May 17 10:55 |
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| DaemonFC | funny thing is that they discounted the serial number | May 17 10:55 |
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| DaemonFC | if you got flagged as a pirate | May 17 10:55 |
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| DaemonFC | *and* you got a free serial if you ratted the person out who sold it to you :P | May 17 10:55 |
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| DaemonFC | I remember posting "So if you want cheap XP, just install an unlicensed copy and fail WGA, you get it for half price" | May 17 10:56 |
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| oiaohm | That is still double the price they sell to large companies at DaemonFC | May 17 10:57 |
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| DaemonFC | yeah | May 17 10:57 |
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| oiaohm | It the thing I hate most about MS is there sliding price scale. | May 17 10:57 |
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| DaemonFC | I was just mocking them on my blog | May 17 10:57 |
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| DaemonFC | "Oh no, if we catch you pirating it, we punish you buy selling you a license for half price!" | May 17 10:58 |
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| DaemonFC | :P | May 17 10:58 |
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| DaemonFC | *by | May 17 10:58 |
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| oiaohm | If you are a large company that could support Linux so your sub companies will use windows MS will basically give you windows for nothing. | May 17 10:58 |
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| DaemonFC | I was saying the wost that could happen is you get it hald price | May 17 10:58 |
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| DaemonFC | lol | May 17 10:58 |
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| DaemonFC | well, they don't do that with Vista | May 17 10:59 |
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| oiaohm | You do know there is a training install key for XP that will always fail WGA. | May 17 10:59 |
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| DaemonFC | ? | May 17 10:59 |
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| _boo_ | that's a total genocide against one man (reducing price to half) | May 17 10:59 |
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| oiaohm | Its the key you use as a partner for training people how to use preinstallation kit DaemonFC. | May 17 11:00 |
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| _boo_ | just against geneva convention | May 17 11:00 |
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| oiaohm | The key cannot ever complete WGA. | May 17 11:00 |
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| DaemonFC | well, how does "We sell it to unlicensed users that got it for the pirate bay for half price" send a message that you should buy it in the first place? | May 17 11:00 |
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| DaemonFC | :P | May 17 11:00 |
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| oiaohm | A few people I know got there half price XP that way. | May 17 11:00 |
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| oiaohm | But for free. | May 17 11:01 |
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| DaemonFC | *from | May 17 11:01 |
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| oiaohm | since they were staff they could say where they got key from and it was legal. | May 17 11:01 |
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| _boo_ | so half price of for free is for free | May 17 11:01 |
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| oiaohm | They had installed a preinstallation and just run WGA. | May 17 11:01 |
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| DaemonFC | then there was one copy of the WGA software that always spit out a valid code | May 17 11:02 |
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| DaemonFC | if you ran it in Windows 2000 compatibility mode | May 17 11:02 |
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| DaemonFC | :) | May 17 11:02 |
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| oiaohm | Unless your key matched 2000 training key. | May 17 11:03 |
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| DaemonFC | there was no WGA or activation for Windows 2000 | May 17 11:03 |
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| DaemonFC | just a serial number | May 17 11:03 |
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| oiaohm | There is a training serial number for Windows 2000 | May 17 11:03 |
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| oiaohm | All versions of Windows have one. | May 17 11:04 |
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| _boo_ | they gonna run out of serial numbers | May 17 11:04 |
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| oiaohm | Never. | May 17 11:04 |
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| _boo_ | if they produce new windows at this rate | May 17 11:04 |
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| oiaohm | OEM Partner and Volume are different key sets. | May 17 11:05 |
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| oiaohm | Inside OEM there are 6 different key sets. | May 17 11:05 |
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| oiaohm | Inside Partner there are 4 different key sets. | May 17 11:05 |
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| oiaohm | Inside Volume there are 8 different key sets. | May 17 11:05 |
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| oiaohm | So far. | May 17 11:05 |
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| DaemonFC | Windows 2000 was actually quit good | May 17 11:05 |
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| DaemonFC | really fast | May 17 11:05 |
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| DaemonFC | *quite | May 17 11:06 |
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| oiaohm | Note a OEM key will work on a Partner and Volume disk. | May 17 11:06 |
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| oiaohm | But a Partner key only works on a Partner disk. | May 17 11:06 |
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| oiaohm | Same with a volume key. | May 17 11:06 |
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| DaemonFC | I noticed the Republican party was hosting John McCain's website on Windows 2000 | May 17 11:07 |
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| DaemonFC | :P | May 17 11:07 |
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| DaemonFC | Barack Obama's was being hosted on Linux | May 17 11:08 |
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| DaemonFC | I kept wondering when McCain's site was going to be attacked | May 17 11:08 |
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| DaemonFC | but it didn't happen | May 17 11:08 |
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| oiaohm | Windows 2000 is quite strong. | May 17 11:09 |
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| DaemonFC | I wouldn't trust any version of Windows as a web server | May 17 11:09 |
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| oiaohm | Last of the NT line to follow the NT design book. | May 17 11:09 |
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| DaemonFC | you've got balls if you expose a Windows machine to the web that way | May 17 11:09 |
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| oiaohm | 2003 is softer than 2000. | May 17 11:09 |
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| DaemonFC | Windows 2003 doesn't make a bad desktop | May 17 11:10 |
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| *ziggyfish has quit ("Leaving") | May 17 11:10 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: I will make some posts | May 17 11:10 |
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| schestowitz | And make backups for merger later | May 17 11:10 |
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| oiaohm | Hmm I just got database error schestowitz | May 17 11:13 |
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| oiaohm | Does that happen every time you are doing backups schestowitz? | May 17 11:14 |
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| DaemonFC | http://www.thehotfix.net/index.php/component/content/article/1-latest/1163-mark-russinovich-explains-minwin-once-and-for-all | May 17 11:14 |
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| DaemonFC | "So rejoice, armchair kernel enthusiasts! Microsoft is tidying house inside “Cutler’s NT”, and Windows 7 is the next step (the first being the componentization work from Windows Vista) in the massive decade-long operation to optimize and refactor the Windows codebase." | May 17 11:14 |
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| DaemonFC | Yeah | May 17 11:15 |
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| DaemonFC | they've optimized it all the way up to 10 times the CPU requirement of Windows 2000 | May 17 11:15 |
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| DaemonFC | and 20 times the RAM | May 17 11:15 |
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| DaemonFC | :) | May 17 11:15 |
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| schestowitz | Oh dear | May 17 11:16 |
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| oiaohm | Cutler was a good designer. | May 17 11:16 |
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| schestowitz | Attack seems to be back | May 17 11:16 |
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| DaemonFC | if you sacrificed all of the RAM a Windows XP machine requires, Vista could not even load its shell :P | May 17 11:16 |
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| DaemonFC | much less anything else | May 17 11:16 |
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| schestowitz | oiaohm: no, it happens when server load goes up | May 17 11:16 |
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| schestowitz | load average: 23.68, 16.88, 9.27 | May 17 11:17 |
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| DaemonFC | I thought that line was funny in the UNIX Haters Handbook | May 17 11:17 |
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| DaemonFC | (from 1994 perspective) | May 17 11:17 |
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| schestowitz | squid is running though | May 17 11:17 |
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| DaemonFC | "If you sacrificed all the RAM in 50 Commodore 64's, X could not tell you what time it was" | May 17 11:18 |
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| schestowitz | op - 03:31:44 up 9:15, 1 user, load average: 18.60, 16.88, 9.76 | May 17 11:18 |
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| schestowitz | Tasks: 212 total, 12 running, 198 sleeping, 0 stopped, 2 zombie | May 17 11:18 |
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| schestowitz | Cpu(s): 94.5%us, 4.7%sy, 0.0%ni, 0.0%id, 0.0%wa, 0.0%hi, 0.3%si, 0.5%st | May 17 11:18 |
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| schestowitz | Mem: 4120576k total, 3358672k used, 761904k free, 11432k buffers | May 17 11:18 |
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| schestowitz | Swap: 4194296k total, 894920k used, 3299376k free, 347900k cached | May 17 11:18 |
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| schestowitz | PID USER PR NI VIRT RES SHR S %CPU %MEM TIME+ COMMAND | May 17 11:18 |
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| schestowitz | 8685 apache 15 0 262m 37m 4392 S 7 0.9 0:06.42 httpd | May 17 11:18 |
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| schestowitz | 21167 apache 15 0 258m 31m 3420 S 7 0.8 0:00.96 httpd | May 17 11:18 |
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| schestowitz | 21906 apache 15 0 258m 31m 3384 S 7 0.8 0:01.01 httpd | May 17 11:18 |
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| schestowitz | 21177 apache 15 0 258m 32m 3516 S 6 0.8 0:01.06 httpd | May 17 11:18 |
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| schestowitz | 21914 apache 15 0 258m 31m 3436 S 6 0.8 0:01. | May 17 11:18 |
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| *DaemonFC wonders when schestowitz is going to jsut redirect to Novell's website and deflect the attack to them | May 17 11:19 |
| DaemonFC | that's what I said about the SCO worm too | May 17 11:19 |
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| tacone | still the website is working fine | May 17 11:19 |
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| DaemonFC | "If I was them I'd redirect the sco domain to kernel.org" | May 17 11:19 |
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| tacone | even under attack | May 17 11:19 |
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| zoobab01 | Roy: put a lighttpd or xitami cache as a frontend | May 17 11:19 |
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| zoobab01 | apache sucks | May 17 11:20 |
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| tacone | i don't think it's a good attacker. just a script kid | May 17 11:20 |
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| tacone | i agree on the cache front end, but i don't know if the isp makes it possible. | May 17 11:20 |
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| schestowitz | top - 03:34:06 up 9:18, 1 user, load average: 10.96, 15.75, 10.42 | May 17 11:20 |
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| schestowitz | Still under attack though | May 17 11:20 |
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| schestowitz | zoobab01: not apache | May 17 11:20 |
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| schestowitz | And tessier has apache | May 17 11:20 |
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| schestowitz | It's DDOS | May 17 11:20 |
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| zoobab01 | from whom? | May 17 11:20 |
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| schestowitz | Tor in Germany | May 17 11:21 |
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| tacone | he will get tired | May 17 11:21 |
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| schestowitz | Maybe other countries too | May 17 11:21 |
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| tacone | it's just ab testing the site | May 17 11:21 |
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| oiaohm | lighttpd xitami and pound and others can filter. | May 17 11:21 |
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| zoobab01 | I use Tor a lot, but not for exit nodes | May 17 11:21 |
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| zoobab01 | xitami has a filter | May 17 11:21 |
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| schestowitz | Yeah, exit nodes in this case | May 17 11:21 |
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| schestowitz | Flooding the server with it | May 17 11:21 |
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| schestowitz | We have squid now | May 17 11:21 |
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| schestowitz | That's what harmed the other host too | May 17 11:21 |
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| zoobab01 | ok | May 17 11:21 |
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| schestowitz | They still investigate | May 17 11:21 |
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| schestowitz | zoobab01: I think you cannot spread the word about it | May 17 11:22 |
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| schestowitz | oiaohm says it encourages the attackers | May 17 11:22 |
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| schestowitz | I will try to post as though all is OK | May 17 11:22 |
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| schestowitz | Maybe they'll track down the crooks | May 17 11:22 |
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| tacone | well, bringing the site down encourages them | May 17 11:22 |
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| tacone | if it doesn't go down this time, then they may resign | May 17 11:23 |
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| schestowitz | The 'good' thing of all this is that we were forced to put the account on a second server. | May 17 11:23 |
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| schestowitz | tacone: thanks. | May 17 11:23 |
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| schestowitz | I will post something good | May 17 11:23 |
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| DaemonFC | looks like MS plans a SP3 for Vista | May 17 11:23 |
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| DaemonFC | :P | May 17 11:23 |
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| tacone | schestowitz: thank the wp-cache plugin | May 17 11:23 |
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| DaemonFC | they started labeling post-SP2 hotfixes as targeting Vista SP3 | May 17 11:23 |
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| tacone | it's enough to put off the attacker, at least for now. | May 17 11:24 |
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| tacone | sure, the attacker may be more clever and get round of it, but I don't think he will. | May 17 11:24 |
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| schestowitz | tacone: yeah | May 17 11:29 |
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| schestowitz | tacone: well, it behaves OK without caching too | May 17 11:30 |
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| schestowitz | It's an almost dedicated server | May 17 11:30 |
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| tacone | schestowitz: want to see something hilarious ? | May 17 11:31 |
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| schestowitz | tacone: yes,please. | May 17 11:31 |
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| tacone | http://huayra.wordpress.com/2009/05/15/on-the-technology-behind-ubuntuone-ifolder-mono-and-all-that-jazz/ | May 17 11:31 |
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| schestowitz | I could use some humours | May 17 11:31 |
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| schestowitz | The past 2 days were no fund:-) | May 17 11:31 |
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| schestowitz | *fun | May 17 11:32 |
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| tacone | also my comment was censored | May 17 11:32 |
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| tacone | and the last comment is pretty funny | May 17 11:32 |
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| schestowitz | "The client side seems to be free software and based in mono (since it seems to use the iFolder client code base, although this might be wrong as this mono assumption is based on a comment on my blog." | May 17 11:33 |
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| schestowitz | Thanks. Added to my next Mono post | May 17 11:33 |
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| tacone | lol | May 17 11:33 |
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| tacone | he's waiting for people bashing canonical for Mono adoption. lol | May 17 11:34 |
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| tacone | he didn't even checked the source before spreading crap. | May 17 11:34 |
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| schestowitz | So it ain;t true, right? | May 17 11:35 |
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| schestowitz | You said python | May 17 11:35 |
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| tacone | python yep | May 17 11:35 |
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| tacone | canonical does python. and does c where it can't use python | May 17 11:35 |
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| tacone | there's no reason for them to adopt another language. | May 17 11:36 |
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| tacone | i'm pretty sure it's all python on the server side also. | May 17 11:36 |
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| tacone | that's easy to know, anyway, you just have to ask in #ubuntuone | May 17 11:36 |
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| schestowitz | Thanks | May 17 11:37 |
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| schestowitz | Have you got the censored comment? | May 17 11:37 |
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| tacone | this freak just thought it was a good occasion to join the 'drop that box' campaign also called 'mono vs dropbox' | May 17 11:37 |
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| schestowitz | I will point out the mistake later | May 17 11:37 |
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| schestowitz | As I point out (and I mean it), I will no longer comment in blogs. Just USENET, IRC, and BN | May 17 11:38 |
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| tacone | jorge and a bunch of other people are partecipating also. | May 17 11:38 |
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| schestowitz | in USENET I sign my posts with PGP | May 17 11:38 |
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| tacone | yes, i've suggest him to google better | May 17 11:38 |
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| schestowitz | Jorge? | May 17 11:38 |
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| schestowitz | Oh | May 17 11:38 |
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| tacone | to correct his article | May 17 11:38 |
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| schestowitz | That one | May 17 11:38 |
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| schestowitz | Not Schilling | May 17 11:38 |
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| tacone | and asked him if the article was about ubuntuone or mono. | May 17 11:38 |
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| schestowitz | Squid is doing a good job keeping the server reasonably responsive | May 17 11:39 |
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| schestowitz | Tasks: 186 total, 23 running, 162 sleeping, 0 stopped, 1 zombie | May 17 11:40 |
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| schestowitz | Cpu(s): 95.1%us, 4.4%sy, 0.0%ni, 0.2%id, 0.0%wa, 0.0%hi, 0.0%si, 0.3%st | May 17 11:40 |
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| schestowitz | Mem: 4120576k total, 3029236k used, 1091340k free, 13316k buffers | May 17 11:40 |
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| schestowitz | Swap: 4194296k total, 886192k used, 3308104k free, 388360k cached | May 17 11:40 |
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| schestowitz | PID USER PR NI VIRT RES SHR S %CPU %MEM TIME+ COMMAND | May 17 11:40 |
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| schestowitz | 1794 plone 15 0 658m 445m 1736 S 0 11.1 16:33.68 python | May 17 11:40 |
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| schestowitz | 22132 squid 16 0 115m 70m 2232 R 1 1.8 0:02.30 squid | May 17 11:40 |
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| schestowitz | 20285 apache 15 0 324m 50m 5676 S 0 1.3 0:02.34 httpd | May 17 11:40 |
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| schestowitz | 30174 mysql 16 0 487m 48m 3532 R 7 1.2 33:19.40 mysqld | May 17 11:40 |
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| schestowitz | 17596 apache 15 0 267m 41m 4404 S 9 1.0 0:06.83 httpd | May 17 11:40 |
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| schestowitz | mib_2liaum: hey | May 17 11:40 |
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| schestowitz | Just doing a quick check to see if the crackers are not stalking via IRC | May 17 11:40 |
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| schestowitz | vicious DDOS. The perps are still trying new routes. | May 17 11:42 |
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| oiaohm | squid also filters out some mail formed crap. | May 17 11:43 |
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| oiaohm | mal formed crap | May 17 11:43 |
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| schestowitz | It's, a mail server | May 17 11:44 |
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| schestowitz | That's what python is about there | May 17 11:45 |
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| oiaohm | http://boycottnovell.com/wiki/index.php/Main_Page nothing displayed to me. | May 17 11:46 |
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| tacone | works for me | May 17 11:46 |
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| schestowitz | It's touch and go | May 17 11:46 |
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| oiaohm | It workign for me now. | May 17 11:46 |
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| schestowitz | Sometimes works, sometimes not | May 17 11:46 |
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| schestowitz | But let's keep it online | May 17 11:47 |
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| schestowitz | Might discourage the crooks | May 17 11:47 |
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| schestowitz | I assume they found a away around Tor filters | May 17 11:47 |
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| schestowitz | Those big companies are scary | May 17 11:47 |
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| oiaohm | maybe we need to ask google for assissance. | May 17 11:47 |
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| schestowitz | They can pay a little check for some kid in Korea to attack a site of choice with his mates | May 17 11:47 |
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| schestowitz | But it would take a lot of evidence to show that it's not some SUSE fans who do this | May 17 11:48 |
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| oiaohm | They have had a recent run in with guys like this. | May 17 11:48 |
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| schestowitz | Who in Google? | May 17 11:48 |
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| schestowitz | I only correspoond with two people there | May 17 11:48 |
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| schestowitz | DiBona and Cutts | May 17 11:48 |
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| tacone | cutts ? | May 17 11:48 |
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| schestowitz | oiaohm: you mean for censoring posts? | May 17 11:48 |
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| schestowitz | I tried | May 17 11:48 |
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| schestowitz | Google Groups | May 17 11:49 |
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| schestowitz | PJ told me to at least try to get rid of it | May 17 11:49 |
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| schestowitz | She used a nice analogy of diapers with poo that ends up all over the place if you don't clean up early | May 17 11:49 |
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| schestowitz | But Google won't remove those posts anyway | May 17 11:49 |
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| schestowitz | I started using PGP for everything in USENET one year ago | May 17 11:49 |
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| schestowitz | I also dumped Digg after commenting like 14,000 times there | May 17 11:50 |
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| schestowitz | I got abused like twitter in Slahshdot | May 17 11:50 |
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| schestowitz | Many imposters, vicious attacks, krama mining and mod bombing. | May 17 11:50 |
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| zoobab01 | :-) | May 17 11:50 |
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| schestowitz | I guess the crooks got their way | May 17 11:50 |
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| schestowitz | I no longer use Digg | May 17 11:50 |
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| zoobab01 | microsoft shills | May 17 11:50 |
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| schestowitz | Yes | May 17 11:50 |
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| schestowitz | Intimidation | May 17 11:50 |
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| schestowitz | I know what these are | May 17 11:50 |
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| schestowitz | The likes of Flatfish | May 17 11:51 |
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| schestowitz | Gary M. Stewart (aka “Flatfish”) About Microsoft AstroTurfing ... < http://boycottnovell.com/2009/01/02/gary-stewart-flatfish-troll-unmasked/ > | May 17 11:51 |
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| oiaohm | http://www.newsfactor.com/news/Outages-Continue-for-Google-Services/story.xhtml?story_id=033003QU7BXU They had a recent load cascade schestowitz. Ask Cutts if google has anything they can recommend to assist with problem. | May 17 11:52 |
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| oiaohm | Staying up under high load is the same as staying up under attack. | May 17 11:52 |
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| DaemonFC | yeah, Digg is useless | May 17 11:55 |
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| schestowitz | oiaohm: who in Google to ask? | May 17 11:55 |
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| DaemonFC | it seems like Microsoft and John McCain have something in common | May 17 11:56 |
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| schestowitz | They don't like it when I toss my problems on them (not the right staff) | May 17 11:56 |
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| schestowitz | I don't want to ruin channels of comms there | May 17 11:56 |
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| DaemonFC | paying rooms of people to each assume dozens of identities | May 17 11:56 |
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| schestowitz | DaemonFC: you did't know?S | May 17 11:56 |
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| DaemonFC | and write favorable thigns about them | May 17 11:56 |
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| schestowitz | Search BN for mccain MS | May 17 11:56 |
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| schestowitz | Apart from McCain inviting Ballmer to his cabinet.. | May 17 11:56 |
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| DaemonFC | well, if I can access it :P | May 17 11:56 |
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| schestowitz | There's also the antitrust issue | May 17 11:56 |
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| schestowitz | Patent law (sw patents) | May 17 11:56 |
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| schestowitz | And lots more | May 17 11:56 |
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| oiaohm | Problem is I am not exactly sure the correct person at there end to talk to. Cutts is normally nice to point in right direction in case of problem schestowitz. | May 17 11:57 |
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| schestowitz | load average: 13.45, 14.29, 15.75 | May 17 11:57 |
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| schestowitz | Attackers are weakening | May 17 11:57 |
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| schestowitz | oiaohm: cutts deals with spam | May 17 11:57 |
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| schestowitz | I gave him some lists with others who were in AISE (USENET) | May 17 11:57 |
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| schestowitz | Helping defeat the spammers is good for everyone | May 17 11:57 |
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| tacone | cutts deals with spam. spam in a wider sense | May 17 11:57 |
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| schestowitz | Cutts also knows about me exposing MS' attacks on Google | May 17 11:58 |
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| schestowitz | A friend has just sent me a suggested script | May 17 11:59 |
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| schestowitz | Hi, Roy, | May 17 11:59 |
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| schestowitz | This might be of use, though modded for port 80: | May 17 11:59 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/187 | May 17 11:59 |
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| schestowitz | If you work with the remote server save a *known good* copy. | May 17 11:59 |
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| schestowitz | iptables-save > /tmp/iptable.good | May 17 11:59 |
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| schestowitz | Then prepare a test script, separate from your current filter script. | May 17 11:59 |
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| schestowitz | Them *before* messing with the filter, set up (and test) the safety restore: | May 17 11:59 |
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| schestowitz | echo "/sbin/iptables-restore </tmp/iptables.good" \ | May 17 11:59 |
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| schestowitz | | at now +3 minutes | May 17 11:59 |
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| schestowitz | Then run the above "at" rescue each time just before testing any new | May 17 11:59 |
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| schestowitz | configurations. | May 17 11:59 |
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| schestowitz | Below is such a script. Verify for yourself before trying on your | May 17 11:59 |
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| schestowitz | production machine, I'm good at making typos. It should go in | May 17 11:59 |
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| schestowitz | /etc/init.d/ when you are happy with it. Use update-rc.d to populate | May 17 11:59 |
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| schestowitz | the runlevels. | May 17 11:59 |
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| schestowitz | eth0 is hard-coded, that's a faux pax which you can fix if you wish. | May 17 11:59 |
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| schestowitz | I have not done any tricks with ssh, though. That is needed. | May 17 11:59 |
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| schestowitz | === | May 17 11:59 |
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| schestowitz | So I have this good script for when tessier comes back | May 17 11:59 |
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| DaemonFC | Microsoft's biggest problem is that software doesn't wear out | May 17 11:59 |
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| schestowitz | Yes | May 17 11:59 |
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| schestowitz | They spoke about it | May 17 11:59 |
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| oiaohm | That script can help. | May 17 11:59 |
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| DaemonFC | so they force it into early reiterment by yanking support for various runtimes | May 17 12:00 |
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| schestowitz | They must force people to buy more versions | May 17 12:00 |
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| DaemonFC | or programs | May 17 12:00 |
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| schestowitz | Bitrot and all | May 17 12:00 |
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| schestowitz | I have lots od material about it, DaemonFC | May 17 12:00 |
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| schestowitz | Will do a post about it one dauy | May 17 12:00 |
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| DaemonFC | well, they don't want a repeat of XP | May 17 12:00 |
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| oiaohm | Cutts dealing with spam also would have have to contact people to deal with dos problem caused by attempted spamming. | May 17 12:00 |
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| schestowitz | I'll mail it to Tracy | May 17 12:00 |
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| DaemonFC | so now they've made sure to cut off support for "home" versions after 5 years | May 17 12:00 |
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| schestowitz | oiaohm: I'll mail him then | May 17 12:00 |
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| DaemonFC | by the time they cut off XP Home it will be 13 years old | May 17 12:00 |
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| schestowitz | But what the heck to say? | May 17 12:01 |
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| schestowitz | Dear Matt, long time no hear, we have Tor users DDOSing us. Pls help!!111 | May 17 12:01 |
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| oiaohm | Kinda of. | May 17 12:01 |
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| Omar87 | Hello | May 17 12:02 |
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| DaemonFC | I may grab vLite and put my new Vista SP2 ISO under the knife | May 17 12:03 |
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| DaemonFC | :P | May 17 12:03 |
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| MinceR | j0 | May 17 12:03 |
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| DaemonFC | should be interesting to see how much crap I can easily throw out | May 17 12:03 |
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| _boo_ | wow, vista is sp2 already | May 17 12:04 |
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| DaemonFC | I gave the SP1 a good once over to just count the size reduction of the installation | May 17 12:04 |
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| tacone | schestowitz: one guy answered to me on ubuntuone channel | May 17 12:04 |
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| DaemonFC | I cut 6 gigabytes | May 17 12:04 |
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| DaemonFC | without even trying | May 17 12:04 |
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| tacone | the server side is unsurprisingly made of python and django. | May 17 12:04 |
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| oiaohm_ | Dear Matt sorry to bother you we have tor users DDOSing us if you know something or someone who could be assistance. I would greatly appreate your help. schestowitz | May 17 12:04 |
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| DaemonFC | _boo_: I have the leaked Technet ISO | May 17 12:04 |
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| DaemonFC | :) | May 17 12:04 |
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| oiaohm_ | Times like this you pull in favors schestowitz. | May 17 12:04 |
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| Omar87 | I've been in an argument earlier today with one of my colleagues, and in the end we came to a conclusion that not Microsoft nor Novell nor any proprietary company in the world (even non-IT companies) are not the real enemy. The real enemy is the Capitalistic regime as a whole. Microsoft and it's other clones are merely the fruits of Capitalism. What do you guys think of that? | May 17 12:06 |
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| oiaohm_ | Criminals exist in every regime. | May 17 12:07 |
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| oiaohm_ | Capitalistic or what ever makes no difference. | May 17 12:07 |
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| schestowitz | oiaohm_: thanks | May 17 12:07 |
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| Omar87 | oiaohm_: That's true. | May 17 12:07 |
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| oiaohm_ | Lot of what Microsoft and Novell has done over the years is out side the law. | May 17 12:07 |
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| schestowitz | oiaohm_: done | May 17 12:08 |
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| schestowitz | DDOS+Tor issue.. | May 17 12:08 |
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| _boo_ | will novell be bought by m$ finally? | May 17 12:08 |
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| schestowitz | Maybe Google has something to say | May 17 12:08 |
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| Omar87 | schestowitz: What? | May 17 12:08 |
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| schestowitz | AT&T denies it was its fault | May 17 12:08 |
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| schestowitz | wb, Omar87 BTW | May 17 12:08 |
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| Omar87 | schestowitz: Thanks. | May 17 12:08 |
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| Omar87 | schestowitz: What is DDOS and Tor? | May 17 12:09 |
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| schestowitz | Omar87: Boycott Novell has been under DDOS attack for 3 days now. We're still struggling to just stay online while hosts investigate where the attacks come from. | May 17 12:09 |
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| schestowitz | I invite you to read | May 17 12:09 |
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| schestowitz | http://boycottnovell.com/2009/05/17/comment-in-other-web-sites/ | May 17 12:09 |
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| schestowitz | Not related but on we move | May 17 12:09 |
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| schestowitz | Showing the crackers they can't silence us | May 17 12:09 |
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| oiaohm_ | Really Microsoft and Novell cannot be used as examples of failures of a Capitalistic regime. | May 17 12:10 |
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| oiaohm_ | They are more examples of how any regime can get infected over time by crime. | May 17 12:10 |
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| oiaohm_ | Its not like Microsoft has not tried to bend china to there will. | May 17 12:11 |
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| schestowitz | Omar87: Turns out it's not the fault of the host, so let's not chuck them yet. They, like the new host, are fighting DDOS attacks from Tor. | May 17 12:11 |
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| schestowitz | But the host seems to have actually taken some steps to investigate | May 17 12:11 |
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| DaemonFC | http://chattahbox.com/technology/2009/05/11/conficker-worm-infects-hospital-mri-machines/ | May 17 12:12 |
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| schestowitz | This is no fun (only slept 4 hours last night), but it means we piss off some people. So I guess we at least have impact on the matters we address. | May 17 12:12 |
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| schestowitz | DaemonFC: old news? | May 17 12:12 |
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| schestowitz | Oh, MRI?? | May 17 12:12 |
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| oiaohm_ | Its new schestowitz | May 17 12:12 |
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| oiaohm_ | Its not a machine you want infected either. | May 17 12:12 |
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| schestowitz | oiaohm_: yes | May 17 12:13 |
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| schestowitz | It was medical equipment before, but not specified | May 17 12:13 |
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| DaemonFC | heh | May 17 12:13 |
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| schestowitz | MRI is more specific | May 17 12:14 |
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| DaemonFC | I was gonna say | May 17 12:14 |
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| schestowitz | I did some MRI for a friend | May 17 12:14 |
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| DaemonFC | that scares the shit out of me | May 17 12:14 |
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| schestowitz | She's more into the imaging stuff than me. Experimental research... I just do more coding, she's doing acquisition | May 17 12:14 |
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| schestowitz | She moves to North Carolina, so she's no longer a colleague :-( | May 17 12:14 |
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| schestowitz | I have my brain dataset on my site... 3D for download | May 17 12:15 |
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| Omar87 | schestowitz: Instead of never commenting out side your site anymore, why not placing a side-widget on your page listing links to all your outside comments, so if anything isn't listed there then it's simply not yours? | May 17 12:15 |
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| schestowitz | Oh | May 17 12:15 |
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| schestowitz | DaemonFC: it crashed | May 17 12:15 |
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| schestowitz | Wndows | May 17 12:15 |
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| schestowitz | At one point when I came to the facility it crashes | May 17 12:15 |
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| schestowitz | They use Windows | May 17 12:15 |
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| oiaohm_ | Only MRI scan I had the bugger crashed while I was inside. | May 17 12:15 |
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| schestowitz | Philipps puts a nice GUI, but on the wrong OS | May 17 12:15 |
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| schestowitz | Not very funny when you're inside the room | May 17 12:16 |
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| schestowitz | As I was | May 17 12:16 |
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| schestowitz | oiaohm_: oh, so you TOO? | May 17 12:16 |
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| oiaohm_ | Halfway threw scan. | May 17 12:16 |
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| schestowitz | oiaohm_: what AV SW did they run? :-) | May 17 12:16 |
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| schestowitz | This is ridiculius | May 17 12:16 |
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| Omar87 | schestowitz: I mean, in other words, it's okay to be cautious, but I don't think it's okay to let your cautions isolate you from the out-side world, right? | May 17 12:16 |
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| schestowitz | Philips should get a clue | May 17 12:16 |
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| schestowitz | Omar87: yes. | May 17 12:16 |
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| oiaohm_ | It was scaning my passages around my nose to work out if anything could be done to fix them. | May 17 12:17 |
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| oiaohm_ | So it was a segment scan. | May 17 12:17 |
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| Omar87 | schestowitz: So, what do you think of the side widget idea? | May 17 12:17 |
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| oiaohm_ | It was windows something. | May 17 12:18 |
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| oiaohm_ | I have my reasons to hate windows. | May 17 12:18 |
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| schestowitz | Shane: "The issue is open for days without any update or response. When I ran a support group at CA, I'd have heads on a platter for that. Totally unprofessional. | May 17 12:18 |
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| schestowitz | Shit, I'd rather they said "we really don't know when it'll be working again, we're being bombarded" rather than just the sounds of crickets chirping. Guess that's why they were cheap." | May 17 12:18 |
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| schestowitz | I guess we'll dump the host anyway; not sure, yet | May 17 12:18 |
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| schestowitz | Another friend says: "Hey dude, all my solidarity. I read the "Why Some People Won't Comment in Other Web Sites"; keep hitting hard." | May 17 12:19 |
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| oiaohm_ | Be stuck in a machine for 15 mins because where it stoped is causing reboot to fail is not fun. | May 17 12:19 |
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| schestowitz | oiaohm_: can it cause damage? | May 17 12:19 |
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| oiaohm_ | MRI not normally. | May 17 12:20 |
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| oiaohm_ | Problem is incorrect data from a MRI could cause incorrect operations to be performed. | May 17 12:20 |
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| DaemonFC | hmmm | May 17 12:21 |
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| DaemonFC | schestowitz | May 17 12:21 |
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| oiaohm_ | It would be like screwing up blood processing. | May 17 12:21 |
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| DaemonFC | you don't suppose that your domain could have been randomly generated | May 17 12:21 |
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| DaemonFC | by Conficker? | May 17 12:22 |
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| oiaohm_ | Not conficker style to use tor | May 17 12:22 |
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| schestowitz | Shane wants to humiliate the host. | May 17 12:22 |
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| schestowitz | Not sure about it... | May 17 12:22 |
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| schestowitz | > This has gotten absurd, I've opened a 2nd issue and it was closed as a | May 17 12:22 |
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| schestowitz | > dupe, "...we fully understand the urgency of this situation. Our Abuse & | May 17 12:22 |
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| schestowitz | > Security Team is still reviewing this issue, and will respond to this | May 17 12:22 |
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| schestowitz | > ticket once they've concluded their analysis of this situation." | May 17 12:22 |
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| schestowitz | Yes. | May 17 12:22 |
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| schestowitz | | May 17 12:22 |
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| schestowitz | > So, we are at an impasse, and it does seem like they are holding your | May 17 12:22 |
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| schestowitz | > info hostage. Perhaps an article is in order that points that out and | May 17 12:22 |
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| schestowitz | > helps all your readers find surpasshosting's message board or something | May 17 12:22 |
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| schestowitz | > (not a DDOS, that'd be immature, more of a gently slashdotting...) | May 17 12:22 |
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| schestowitz | I was advised not to advertise the DDOS as it would encourage the crackers to carry on. They are still at it. | May 17 12:22 |
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| DaemonFC | just wondering | May 17 12:22 |
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| schestowitz | Not sure what to do | May 17 12:22 |
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| DaemonFC | schestowitz: Ban TOR users? | May 17 12:23 |
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| schestowitz | They still ignore our requests for status info | May 17 12:23 |
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| schestowitz | DaemonFC: already done | May 17 12:23 |
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| schestowitz | They must have found other routes | May 17 12:23 |
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| schestowitz | load average: 22.75, 21.00, 17.05 | May 17 12:23 |
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| DaemonFC | TOR was a noble gesture but it was ripe for abuse from the start | May 17 12:23 |
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| oiaohm_ | Next is routing from tor to other proxies. | May 17 12:23 |
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| DaemonFC | there are compromised host blocklists | May 17 12:24 |
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| DaemonFC | that are used by big IRC servers | May 17 12:24 |
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| DaemonFC | maybe schestowitz could use that? | May 17 12:25 |
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| DaemonFC | they block all the obvious crap at least | May 17 12:25 |
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| oiaohm_ | Problem is tracing these kinds of attacks are hard. | May 17 12:25 |
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| schestowitz | Depends on persistence of attackers | May 17 12:26 |
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| schestowitz | China almost took down CNN | May 17 12:26 |
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| schestowitz | oiaohm_: should I write about it? I think not after what you said. Shane is angry at the host. | May 17 12:26 |
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| schestowitz | He pays them for bad service | May 17 12:26 |
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| DaemonFC | schestowitz: I'd start by blocking bogon, hijacked ranges, and zombies | May 17 12:27 |
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| DaemonFC | followed by TOR and open relays | May 17 12:27 |
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| DaemonFC | there's 99% of your trouble | May 17 12:27 |
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| oiaohm_ | schestowitz: host did not handle it the best. But no point yelling at them. They still have logs and other data that could be useful to us. | May 17 12:28 |
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| oiaohm_ | Basically only burn your bridges when you no longer need them schestowitz. Remind Shane of that. | May 17 12:29 |
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| oiaohm_ | Job at moment is just keep on working out ways of harding and keeping on operating. | May 17 12:30 |
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| MinceR | re < http://boycottnovell.com/2009/05/17/comment-in-other-web-sites/ >: it's probably possible to sign plaintext with PGP and then post it on most forums/sites that allow comments -- verifying the signature is nontrivial though :) | May 17 12:31 |
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| oiaohm_ | You have the power to kick users out right schestowitz? | May 17 12:31 |
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| oiaohm_ | of this channel. | May 17 12:31 |
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| oiaohm_ | Eject mib_2liaum | May 17 12:31 |
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| oiaohm_ | Only person in here without a clear traceable path. | May 17 12:32 |
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| schestowitz | DaemonFC: I need to wait for tessier | May 17 12:32 |
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| schestowitz | He's the one with handle on the server | May 17 12:32 |
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| schestowitz | oiaohm_: yes, I told him that. The host might be doing something | May 17 12:33 |
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| schestowitz | But it's as though it's secretive | May 17 12:33 |
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| oiaohm_ | Ok as long as you know who it is. | May 17 12:33 |
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| oiaohm_ | I was doing a basic possiable rat audit. | May 17 12:33 |
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| schestowitz | MinceR: : the issue is this | May 17 12:33 |
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| schestowitz | Sometimes they don't believe me | May 17 12:33 |
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| schestowitz | Like Byfield | May 17 12:33 |
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| schestowitz | The cited example | May 17 12:33 |
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| schestowitz | Like he thinks I lied about it being a faker | May 17 12:34 |
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| schestowitz | With PGP you can prove | May 17 12:34 |
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| MinceR | and PGP signed messages are just plain text | May 17 12:34 |
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| DaemonFC | odd that BLAG bases off Fedora and not Debian | May 17 12:34 |
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| DaemonFC | if they dislike companies so much | May 17 12:34 |
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| MinceR | (i don't know how they cope with whitespace being altered though) | May 17 12:34 |
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| DaemonFC | isn't Debian the only notable Linux distro that's not corporate sponsored? | May 17 12:35 |
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| DaemonFC | https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-announce/2009-May/000569.html | May 17 12:37 |
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| schestowitz | I can barely post | May 17 12:37 |
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| schestowitz | So many errors eevn in the back end | May 17 12:37 |
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| schestowitz | Still: Better an attack on the site than someone coming for an attack in person | May 17 12:37 |
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| schestowitz | PJ had a spy come to her house | May 17 12:38 |
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| schestowitz | 2 posts this afternoon | May 17 12:38 |
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| schestowitz | 25 or so to go :-D | May 17 12:38 |
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| schestowitz | What is Going on with ASUS and GNU/Linux? < http://boycottnovell.com/2009/05/17/reversal-after-eee-germany-kickbacks-sjvn/ > | May 17 12:39 |
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| DaemonFC | Randall Kennedy just doesn't like anything | May 17 12:43 |
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| DaemonFC | he blasted Ubuntu in another post | May 17 12:43 |
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| DaemonFC | and praised Vista | May 17 12:43 |
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| DaemonFC | :P | May 17 12:43 |
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| _Hicham_ | Hi schestowitz! | May 17 12:43 |
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| _Hicham_ | I am glad that BN is up! | May 17 12:44 |
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| DaemonFC | schestowitz: http://www.infoworld.com/d/windows/ubuntu-904-more-same-519 | May 17 12:44 |
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| DaemonFC | looks like they took down his Why Ubuntu Still Sucks 4 part article | May 17 12:46 |
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| DaemonFC | :) | May 17 12:46 |
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| DaemonFC | the guy is a troll and a whore | May 17 12:46 |
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| _Hicham_ | did u test ubuntu 9.04? | May 17 12:46 |
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| DaemonFC | and I'm not just throwing that around lightly | May 17 12:46 |
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| DaemonFC | no, schestowitz quoted this assclown | May 17 12:47 |
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| DaemonFC | :) | May 17 12:47 |
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| DaemonFC | I was just saying that this guy has no journalistic integrity | May 17 12:47 |
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| DaemonFC | he just throws everything at the wall and sees what sticks | May 17 12:47 |
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| DaemonFC | the more controversy he can stir up the more ad money they make | May 17 12:47 |
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| DaemonFC | first he says Linux sucks so everyone rushes to his site | May 17 12:48 |
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| DaemonFC | then he says Windows sucks | May 17 12:48 |
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| DaemonFC | so everyone rushes to his site | May 17 12:48 |
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| DaemonFC | then he says Macs suck... | May 17 12:48 |
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| MinceR | well, everything sucks | May 17 12:48 |
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| DaemonFC | and so on | May 17 12:48 |
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| _Hicham_ | does Ubuntu feature KMS in 9.04? | May 17 12:48 |
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| schestowitz | Update: | May 17 12:49 |
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| schestowitz | > true, true. although, being down a few days probably made them think | May 17 12:49 |
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| schestowitz | > they were winning. | May 17 12:49 |
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| schestowitz | > | May 17 12:49 |
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| schestowitz | > I just popped around on the site - looks good, very nice job | May 17 12:49 |
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| schestowitz | > transitioning over and it doesn't seem to be suffering from the load | May 17 12:49 |
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| schestowitz | > yet, everything loaded right up. It's good to see BN get real hosting, | May 17 12:49 |
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| schestowitz | > it deserves it, the project has grown tremendously in a short time. | May 17 12:49 |
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| schestowitz | > You've done well. | May 17 12:49 |
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| schestowitz | I'm still uploading the rest of the files :-) | May 17 12:49 |
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| schestowitz | Will still need the up-to-date ones to merge with asap. The site is still under attack BTW. | May 17 12:49 |
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| schestowitz | I convinced Shane not to annoy the host just yet | May 17 12:49 |
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| schestowitz | DaemonFC: yeah, Randall Kennedy hates everything | May 17 12:50 |
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| DaemonFC | "But a funny thing happened: People started trying out Ubuntu. And they found that despite the exterior polish and whiz-bang media coverage, it was still Linux at heart. And that meant lots of headaches for new users as they tried to navigate the myriad Linux hardware/software compatibility issues and to make sense of the arrogant, "pass the buck" mentality of the vaunted Linux support community." | May 17 12:50 |
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| DaemonFC | -Randall Kennedy | May 17 12:50 |
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| DaemonFC | :) | May 17 12:50 |
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| schestowitz | He was labelled a troll | May 17 12:51 |
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| schestowitz | In LinuxToday | May 17 12:51 |
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| schestowitz | Google "how not to treat your readership" | May 17 12:51 |
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| schestowitz | From Brian Profidd | May 17 12:51 |
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| _Hicham_ | he is just a jackass | May 17 12:51 |
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| schestowitz | *Profitt | May 17 12:51 |
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| schestowitz | He got blacklisted for trolling | May 17 12:51 |
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| _Hicham_ | people like this one shouldn't even be mentioned | May 17 12:51 |
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| DaemonFC | now how exactly does this retard get paid? | May 17 12:52 |
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| DaemonFC | he contradicts himself every time he writes something | May 17 12:52 |
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| _Hicham_ | that is what lazy people like | May 17 12:53 |
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| _Hicham_ | when they can't use linux | May 17 12:53 |
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| MinceR | contradicting yourself is commonplace in religion. | May 17 12:53 |
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| _Hicham_ | like : my software won't install on linux, so linux sucks | May 17 12:53 |
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| _Hicham_ | things like that | May 17 12:53 |
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| DaemonFC | http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/21297 | May 17 12:53 |
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| DaemonFC | http://www.infoworld.com/d/windows/vista-sp2-new-gold-standard-get-used-it-964 | May 17 12:55 |
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| DaemonFC | :P | May 17 12:55 |
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| DaemonFC | yeah, there's another masterpiece | May 17 12:55 |
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| DaemonFC | :D | May 17 12:55 |
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| _Hicham_ | the last thing that remains for me to get washed of Windows, is to convert the last NTFS partition, and I will be finally free | May 17 12:58 |
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| _Hicham_ | ouf | May 17 12:58 |
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| *schestowitz looks at load average: 15.27, 15.58, 16.07 | May 17 13:00 |
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| DaemonFC | yeah, I have an ASUS SLP key in my BIOS :) | May 17 13:00 |
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| DaemonFC | hehehe | May 17 13:00 |
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| schestowitz | DaemonFC: BINGO | May 17 13:01 |
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| schestowitz | You found what I was bearing in mind | May 17 13:02 |
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| schestowitz | The anti-Ubuntu slalom | May 17 13:02 |
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| schestowitz | And contradictions about VIsta | May 17 13:02 |
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| DaemonFC | that guy just needs to shut up | May 17 13:02 |
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| DaemonFC | it's obvious that conflict sells copies | May 17 13:02 |
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| DaemonFC | :) | May 17 13:02 |
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| DaemonFC | he's using that to drive his advertising hits up | May 17 13:03 |
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| DaemonFC | I hate ubuntu, Vista rules! | May 17 13:03 |
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| DaemonFC | I hate Vista, Linux is better | May 17 13:03 |
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| _Hicham_ | haha | May 17 13:03 |
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| DaemonFC | No, now I hate Mac | May 17 13:03 |
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| oiaohm_ | freeipa I am waiting for. | May 17 13:03 |
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| DaemonFC | Windows and Linux are so much better | May 17 13:03 |
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| _Hicham_ | the guy wants to make some money | May 17 13:03 |
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| _Hicham_ | he is poor | May 17 13:03 |
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| _Hicham_ | he has kids | May 17 13:04 |
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| oiaohm_ | It fixes one of the intergration probles. | May 17 13:04 |
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| _Hicham_ | let him talk | May 17 13:04 |
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| _Hicham_ | finally oiaohm is talking | May 17 13:04 |
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| _Hicham_ | have u been watching a movie or what? | May 17 13:04 |
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| oiaohm_ | No digging for things to help schestowitz | May 17 13:04 |
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| oiaohm_ | Linux is not home yet. | May 17 13:06 |
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| schestowitz | oiaohm_: what do you mean? | May 17 13:06 |
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| oiaohm_ | schestowitz: on the digging around schestowitz seeing if any of the contacts I know can help. | May 17 13:07 |
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| oiaohm_ | On the Linux is not home yet. There are weakness in intergration between server and clients. | May 17 13:07 |
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| oiaohm_ | There is the commonly complained about video and audio software issue. Those are not long term the funding for them is coming from the blender project. | May 17 13:08 |
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| oiaohm_ | Blender is in the right place to get funding on them. | May 17 13:08 |
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| oiaohm_ | There are a lot of pieces in play problem is the windows users cannot see them. | May 17 13:09 |
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| DaemonFC | http://blogs.msdn.com/ie/archive/2009/05/01/security-intelligence-report-volume-6.aspx | May 17 13:10 |
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| DaemonFC | hmmmm | May 17 13:10 |
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| oiaohm_ | One of the problems of open source is lack of skill at extracting funding. | May 17 13:10 |
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| oiaohm_ | Blender is run by a tom a old commerial developer who does know how to extract funding. | May 17 13:10 |
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| DaemonFC | So why is Vista being less affected by malware than XP? | May 17 13:11 |
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| oiaohm_ | Like going out and making a move for people to buy. This extracted funding. Audio editors could be doing the same thing. | May 17 13:11 |
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| DaemonFC | ideas? | May 17 13:11 |
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| _boo_ | and the other problem is lack of documentation on project | May 17 13:11 |
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| oiaohm_ | What do you mean less DaemonFC | May 17 13:11 |
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| oiaohm_ | _boo_: blender sells documentation. | May 17 13:12 |
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| DaemonFC | "Comparing the latest service packs for each version, the infection rate of Windows Vista SP1 is 60.6 percent less than that of Windows XP SP3." | May 17 13:12 |
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| oiaohm_ | Commerical developer at work. | May 17 13:12 |
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| schestowitz | oiaohm_: so what stops attackers is failure to cause downtime? | May 17 13:14 |
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| oiaohm_ | DaemonFC: lower rate of infection is also linked to the most common install. | May 17 13:14 |
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| oiaohm_ | Ie clean. | May 17 13:14 |
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| DaemonFC | yeah I noticed that Windows 2000 SP4 was about the same as Vista SP1 | May 17 13:15 |
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| *schestowitz glances at load average: 20.07, 21.21, 18.53 | May 17 13:15 |
| DaemonFC | the most malware ended up on XP | May 17 13:15 |
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| oiaohm_ | 2000 SP4 still running is well configured servers. | May 17 13:15 |
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| oiaohm_ | Mostly. | May 17 13:15 |
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| oiaohm_ | So infection rare is low. | May 17 13:15 |
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| oiaohm_ | There are many things that effect infection rate. | May 17 13:16 |
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| oiaohm_ | How old the system is becomes a factor. | May 17 13:16 |
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| DaemonFC | http://blogs.technet.com/mmpc/archive/2009/04/13/did-you-say-malware-where.aspx | May 17 13:16 |
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| DaemonFC | XP RTM has the most malware | May 17 13:16 |
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| oiaohm_ | Its also the oldest installs in most cases. | May 17 13:17 |
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| oiaohm_ | Without secuirty updates. | May 17 13:17 |
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| schestowitz | 451 Group blog has been idle for ages | May 17 13:17 |
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| DaemonFC | XP RTM is not supported | May 17 13:17 |
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| schestowitz | Either vacation or problems | May 17 13:17 |
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| schestowitz | RedMonk doesn't seem to do so well, either | May 17 13:17 |
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| schestowitz | oiaohm_: thanks for sticking around today. | May 17 13:18 |
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| oiaohm_ | Notice the Vista RTM is also higher than Vista sp1 | May 17 13:18 |
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| oiaohm_ | Vista has not been in the market long enough for its infection numbers to grow massively. | May 17 13:18 |
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| schestowitz | Maybe the DDOS will actually do better to attract attention in the long term. But that's just me trying to find a positive side to a mess. | May 17 13:18 |
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| oiaohm_ | Linux's have the same issue. | May 17 13:18 |
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| oiaohm_ | Reason why old installs of Linux are frowned on DaemonFC. | May 17 13:19 |
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| DaemonFC | OK, that's the number of computers per thousand | May 17 13:19 |
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| DaemonFC | that the monthly malicious software removal tool removed something from | May 17 13:19 |
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| oiaohm_ | And there are more XP machines out there than Vista. | May 17 13:20 |
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| oiaohm_ | So if XP was not higher there would something wrong. | May 17 13:20 |
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| oiaohm_ | Even today more machines are sold with XP on than Vista. | May 17 13:20 |
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| DaemonFC | I doubt that | May 17 13:21 |
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| oiaohm_ | MS numbers are crap not normalised for real world. | May 17 13:21 |
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| oiaohm_ | netbooks DaemonFC | May 17 13:21 |
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| oiaohm_ | netbooks don't run vista. | May 17 13:21 |
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| DaemonFC | netbooks only represent about 8% of PC sales | May 17 13:22 |
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| oiaohm_ | Also lots of machines in business are downgraded from Vista to XP. | May 17 13:22 |
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| oiaohm_ | Because Vista can lock up networks. | May 17 13:22 |
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| oiaohm_ | So far Windows 7 appears to be missing that evil. | May 17 13:23 |
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| oiaohm_ | Lots of accountancy software also does not work under Vista. | May 17 13:25 |
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| oiaohm_ | Basically there are huge numbers of new XP installs still. | May 17 13:25 |
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| schestowitz | load average: 72.94, 35.08, 24.52 | May 17 13:27 |
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| schestowitz | Yikes | May 17 13:27 |
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| schestowitz | Who is mib_2liaum ? | May 17 13:27 |
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| oiaohm_ | I don't know schestowitz | May 17 13:27 |
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| oiaohm_ | That is why I asked if you can kick people out of channel about him before schestowitz. | May 17 13:28 |
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| schestowitz | 38.88, 37.02, 26.52 | May 17 13:28 |
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| schestowitz | mib_2liaum: are you there? | May 17 13:29 |
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| oiaohm_ | http://www.spacedaily.com/2004/040318085457.5uuqwmzs.html Somehow I don't think that gates prediction is going to happen. http://en.kioskea.net/actualites/steep-first-quarter-drop-in-worldwide-pc-sales-12545-actualite.php3 | May 17 13:29 |
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| schestowitz | Which prediction? | May 17 13:29 |
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| schestowitz | mib_2liaum: are you from Massachusetts? | May 17 13:30 |
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| schestowitz | That's close to Novell, eh? | May 17 13:30 |
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| amd-linux | gratulations, the site is up again - without the wiki but better than nothing :-) | May 17 13:30 |
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| _Hicham_ | inactive people should get kicked off to save you some wasted load | May 17 13:32 |
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| oiaohm_ | schestowitz: mib_2liaum host server being comcast got my attention. | May 17 13:32 |
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| _Hicham_ | why oiaohm? | May 17 13:33 |
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| oiaohm_ | Lot of people talking out against MS the attacks on them trace back to that Isp _Hicham_ | May 17 13:38 |
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| oiaohm_ | Why not exactly known _Hicham_ | May 17 13:38 |
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| _Hicham_ | DaemonFC is also on comcast | May 17 13:40 |
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| oiaohm_ | I know him. | May 17 13:40 |
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| DaemonFC | yeah, they're like the only place that has anything but dial up here | May 17 13:40 |
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| DaemonFC | It's not my choice | May 17 13:40 |
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| schestowitz | oiaohm_: yes, but there is more about comcast | May 17 13:41 |
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| schestowitz | They also attack DaemonFC from there IIRC | May 17 13:41 |
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| schestowitz | And Comcast is close to MS | May 17 13:41 |
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| schestowitz | But oiaohm_ | May 17 13:41 |
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| schestowitz | Bat this in mind | May 17 13:41 |
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| schestowitz | Some of the trolls in BN were from Comcast | May 17 13:42 |
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| schestowitz | Specifically Massachusetts.comcat | May 17 13:42 |
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| oiaohm_ | And what one is mib_2liaum | May 17 13:42 |
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| schestowitz | Waltham, Massachusetts (Novell HQ) | May 17 13:42 |
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| schestowitz | oiaohm_: ma=mass. | May 17 13:42 |
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| oiaohm_ | Yep. | May 17 13:42 |
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| schestowitz | That's why I'm suspecting.. | May 17 13:42 |
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| DaemonFC | well, that makes Massachusetts and Minnesota | May 17 13:43 |
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| schestowitz | DaemonFC: I think not | May 17 13:43 |
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| schestowitz | I caught a troll of BN posting from ms.comcast | May 17 13:43 |
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| schestowitz | He admitted he lives near Novell | May 17 13:43 |
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| schestowitz | He refuses to say who he works for | May 17 13:43 |
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| schestowitz | Asked him like a dozen times | May 17 13:43 |
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| schestowitz | Other trolls post from novell.com domain | May 17 13:43 |
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| schestowitz | I am still feeling wary cause the Tor attackers came from Germany | May 17 13:45 |
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| schestowitz | Because of SUSE (SuSE) many trolls in BN are from there too | May 17 13:45 |
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| schestowitz | Trolls or hecklers. People who hate the site and read it | May 17 13:46 |
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| schestowitz | To kick or not to kick? | May 17 13:46 |
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| schestowitz | If ti's a watcher for the crackers, then, you know.. | May 17 13:46 |
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| _Hicham_ | people who hate BN should get kicked | May 17 13:47 |
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| _Hicham_ | there is no doubt about that | May 17 13:47 |
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| _Hicham_ | kicked with a strong punch in the face so that they wake up and see the truth | May 17 13:50 |
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| schestowitz | For security reasons (since the person won't respond) | May 17 13:51 |
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| *schestowitz has kicked mib_2liaum from #boycottnovell (schestowitz) | May 17 13:51 |
| schestowitz | Here is the latest report from the host: | May 17 13:51 |
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| schestowitz | === | May 17 13:51 |
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| schestowitz | > Hello, | May 17 13:51 |
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| schestowitz | > | May 17 13:51 |
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| schestowitz | > I have added your reply to your other ticket GYX-727360 which is in the | May 17 13:51 |
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| schestowitz | > Abuse department. Please await their reply. | May 17 13:51 |
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| schestowitz | Thank you, Alex. I am grateful. | May 17 13:51 |
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| schestowitz | It is very obvious to us that it's a DDOS attack which doesn't stop. I've inquired with friends at Google to see if they know something. | May 17 13:51 |
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| schestowitz | If you guys need more details, let me know. I can send you some instructions and scripts to show how we battle the DDOS on the temporary server. The attack hits the domain not only via Tor. | May 17 13:51 |
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| schestowitz | == | May 17 13:51 |
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| schestowitz | anonymous slashdot comment http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1235565&threshold=0&commentsort=1&mode=thread&cid=27984659 | May 17 13:52 |
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| oiaohm_ | Ok mib location did not go where I expected boston ma of all places. | May 17 13:54 |
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| schestowitz | So a Massachusetts-based mibbit user was stuck in BN all along not replying, maybe spying? | May 17 13:57 |
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| schestowitz | I was warned about these before | May 17 13:58 |
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| schestowitz | benJIman: what's up? | May 17 13:58 |
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| schestowitz | What do your friends at #opensuse say? | May 17 13:58 |
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| schestowitz | You must be having a good time, eh? | May 17 13:58 |
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| benJIman | I'm having withdrawal symptoms. | May 17 14:00 |
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| zer0c00l | schestowitz, LOL http://www.itsbetterwithwindows.com/ a kid goes and uses IE6 in that add and they call it Windows Family safety | May 17 14:02 |
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| trmanco | my Symbian based phone froze yesterday | May 17 14:03 |
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| zer0c00l | *ad | May 17 14:03 |
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| trmanco | :| | May 17 14:03 |
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| trmanco | had about 1 month of uptime | May 17 14:03 |
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| trmanco | ... | May 17 14:03 |
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| trmanco | stupid os | May 17 14:03 |
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| tacone | that's the windows xp on asus eeepc campaign | May 17 14:03 |
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| zer0c00l | yaaa | May 17 14:04 |
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| schestowitz | Patents Roundup: Microsoft, Patent Ambush, Moral Issues, and Europe’s Back Door < http://boycottnovell.com/2009/05/17/patents-roundup-microsoft-and-ambush/ > | May 17 14:07 |
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| schestowitz | benJIman: please elaborate | May 17 14:08 |
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| schestowitz | Also, if you know anything about the DDOS, please be kind and tell us about it | May 17 14:08 |
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| schestowitz | We at BN never vandalised anything | May 17 14:08 |
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| schestowitz | trmanco: my Palm has uptime of many months | May 17 14:09 |
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| benJIman | schestowitz: Can't get my daily dose of hilarity | May 17 14:10 |
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| trmanco | that's great | May 17 14:12 |
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| trmanco | I better get a GNU/Linux based phone soon | May 17 14:13 |
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| schestowitz | benJIman: if you hear something, please share. | May 17 14:14 |
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| benJIman | About what? | May 17 14:15 |
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| schestowitz | If the intent was to sabotage, it worked. But it won't work well for Novell/Microsoft/whoever | May 17 14:15 |
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| schestowitz | I doubt it's a random attack on us | May 17 14:15 |
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| benJIman | It's probably just too popular. | May 17 14:15 |
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| schestowitz | Yeah... to Tor users with bad headers | May 17 14:15 |
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| schestowitz | 11 hours till I get all the files on the new server | May 17 14:16 |
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| schestowitz | 12 hrs lapsed | May 17 14:16 |
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| benJIman | Should have hosted it on openSUSE. | May 17 14:16 |
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| oiaohm_ | What is the load like now schestowitz | May 17 14:17 |
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| schestowitz | benJIman: centos/red hat | May 17 14:17 |
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| schestowitz | oiaohm_: about 20 | May 17 14:17 |
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| schestowitz | Best way to fight until tessier rearms is to just post | May 17 14:18 |
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| schestowitz | I'm posting loads of links now | May 17 14:18 |
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| schestowitz | You'll enjoy these | May 17 14:18 |
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| oiaohm_ | It is a lot of effort to go to. | May 17 14:20 |
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| *schestowitz watches: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2M8_xuBGaFE | May 17 14:21 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm_: host still looking into it | May 17 14:21 |
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| schestowitz | We now have 2 swappable acconnts | May 17 14:21 |
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| oiaohm_ | Personally I would speek to you past host and ask if you could write it up as a dispute over payment for excessive demard from people interested in the boycottnovell content. | May 17 14:22 |
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| oiaohm_ | It is not exactly a lie. | May 17 14:22 |
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| schestowitz | Nope | May 17 14:25 |
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| schestowitz | It's DDOS | May 17 14:25 |
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| schestowitz | I think they tried to fight back | May 17 14:25 |
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| schestowitz | And didn't manage | May 17 14:25 |
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| oiaohm_ | Difference here that way you and spin the ddos so they are making you look better not worse. | May 17 14:26 |
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| oiaohm_ | So there attack is not effective. | May 17 14:26 |
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| oiaohm_ | I know you hate spin but sometimes its the best weapon. | May 17 14:27 |
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| oiaohm_ | Remember if they were not interested in the content of your site they would not be ddos attacking it. | May 17 14:29 |
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| oiaohm_ | As I said its not exacty a lie. | May 17 14:30 |
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| schestowitz | Good point, I guess | May 17 14:34 |
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| schestowitz | As I cautiously stated before, better DDOS than a bully on my doorstep | May 17 14:34 |
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| schestowitz | I'm a big guy, but people have weapons | May 17 14:34 |
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| *schestowitz smiles at load average: 12.91, 17.26, 19.13 | May 17 14:36 |
| oiaohm_ | I did judo the verbial form as part of my training. Bullies can be metally destroyed once you know what they want and can work out how to make sure they don't get it. | May 17 14:36 |
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| benJIman | Who do you think is attacking you? | May 17 14:37 |
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| oiaohm_ | Don't know benJIman | May 17 14:37 |
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| oiaohm_ | Don't reallly care at this point. | May 17 14:37 |
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| schestowitz | benJIman: I don't know | May 17 14:37 |
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| schestowitz | benJIman: quite likely someone who does not like the site | May 17 14:37 |
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| schestowitz | oiaohm_: better to move servers than to move houses due to death threats (Groklaw) | May 17 14:38 |
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| oiaohm_ | Or someone out for a sick pracitical joke. | May 17 14:38 |
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| schestowitz | BTW, Slated is moving houses too | May 17 14:38 |
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| schestowitz | That's why he ain't in IRC ATM | May 17 14:38 |
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| oiaohm_ | What gets me is what is exactly that special about now. | May 17 14:39 |
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| oiaohm_ | I see nothing in the news so far to explain needing boycottnovell out way. | May 17 14:39 |
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| trmanco | I finally know why so many botnets | May 17 14:40 |
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| trmanco | exist | May 17 14:40 |
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| MinceR | perhaps m$ is getting desperate | May 17 14:42 |
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| MinceR | the vista failure and the crisis is really hitting them hard. | May 17 14:42 |
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| MinceR | that's probably why they buried asus in money, too. | May 17 14:43 |
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| tacone | perhaps someone got a succeed or die mission from someone other | May 17 14:43 |
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| schestowitz | Prelude to the depression: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h6PWeGOj6U0&NR=1 | May 17 14:48 |
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| tacone | going offline | May 17 14:51 |
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| tacone | bye | May 17 14:51 |
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| schestowitz | cya | May 17 14:53 |
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| DaemonFC | schestowitz: Microsoft is offereing a $250,000 bounty | May 17 14:58 |
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| DaemonFC | for the people responsible for Conficker | May 17 14:58 |
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| oiaohm_ | That is a nothering bounty. | May 17 14:59 |
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| oiaohm_ | 5 to 6 million and you will get them. | May 17 14:59 |
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| DaemonFC | shouldn't they be patching the kinds of holes that let this happen? | May 17 14:59 |
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| DaemonFC | rather than putting up a relatively small bounty? | May 17 15:00 |
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| DaemonFC | :) | May 17 15:00 |
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| oiaohm_ | You do know that MS put up the wrong instructions to slow Conficker down. | May 17 15:00 |
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| oiaohm_ | If you followed them you accelerated spreed. | May 17 15:00 |
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| oiaohm_ | The bounty is insanely small. You will burn up 1 to 2 million hunting them. | May 17 15:01 |
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| MinceR | i think they should start playing fairly and allowing others to compete. | May 17 15:01 |
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| oiaohm_ | Really if Linux gets it intergration issues sorted out it really will not matter what MS does. | May 17 15:02 |
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| oiaohm_ | People need to take mind of MS and truly look at where in Linux need work. | May 17 15:03 |
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| oiaohm_ | To be currect X11 desktop. | May 17 15:03 |
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| oiaohm_ | The X11 desktop is mostly platform netural. | May 17 15:03 |
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| MinceR | m$ will die anyway, but the longer it takes the more damage it will do in the process | May 17 15:03 |
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| MinceR | desktop environments do need a fair amount of fixing though | May 17 15:04 |
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| oiaohm_ | Most of Linux's slow progress is caused by not s
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