| schestowitz | Viruses and all | Jun 21 00:00 |
|---|---|---|
| _Hicham_ | you need an infinite sum of money to use Windows | Jun 21 00:00 |
| schestowitz | They don't count it | Jun 21 00:00 |
| _Hicham_ | Windows =$300 | Jun 21 00:00 |
| schestowitz | "But as the Yankee Group commented in an independent, non-sponsored..." | Jun 21 00:00 |
| ugufjhfj | lol | Jun 21 00:00 |
| _Hicham_ | Antivirus = $100 | Jun 21 00:00 |
| schestowitz | "Yankee's study concluded that, in large enterprises, a significant Linux..." | Jun 21 00:00 |
| ugufjhfj | fully independent | Jun 21 00:01 |
| schestowitz | "Yankee also noted that, for larger organizations..." | Jun 21 00:01 |
| _Hicham_ | Office = $2500 | Jun 21 00:01 |
| schestowitz | Too bad they don't say what Yankee Group IS | Jun 21 00:01 |
| ThistleWeb | was it on BN I heard the UK govt have to now look at escape cost when evaluating contracts? How much it would cost to migrate away from a solution if it's not renewed? | Jun 21 00:01 |
| _Hicham_ | frequency of Windows Backups? | Jun 21 00:01 |
| schestowitz | http://www.google.com/search?q=site:boycottnovell.com+yankee&sourceid=navclient-ff&rlz=1B5GGGL_enGB315GB316&ie=UTF-8&hl=en | Jun 21 00:01 |
| _Hicham_ | every day | Jun 21 00:02 |
| _Hicham_ | the system may break at any moment | Jun 21 00:02 |
| schestowitz | ThistleWeb: probably a lot | Jun 21 00:02 |
| schestowitz | But Neham would not upgrade | Jun 21 00:02 |
| _Hicham_ | provided security patches ? | Jun 21 00:02 |
| schestowitz | They are colluding with MS | Jun 21 00:02 |
| _Hicham_ | almost none | Jun 21 00:02 |
| schestowitz | And they hate me | Jun 21 00:02 |
| schestowitz | I was told | Jun 21 00:02 |
| _Hicham_ | can u find a schestowitz like in MS? | Jun 21 00:02 |
| _Hicham_ | absolutely not ! | Jun 21 00:02 |
| _Hicham_ | schestowitz : lets start a business | Jun 21 00:03 |
| schestowitz | Analysts are just an extension of the PR industry | Jun 21 00:03 |
| schestowitz | They are just called something else | Jun 21 00:03 |
| schestowitz | Many analysts become PR/press people and vice versa | Jun 21 00:03 |
| schestowitz | These things are interchangeable. | Jun 21 00:04 |
| _Hicham_ | analysts? | Jun 21 00:04 |
| _Hicham_ | haha | Jun 21 00:04 |
| _Hicham_ | great term | Jun 21 00:04 |
| schestowitz | anal-ysts | Jun 21 00:04 |
| _Hicham_ | yes, that is correct | Jun 21 00:04 |
| _Hicham_ | as they sell their asses for nothing | Jun 21 00:04 |
| schestowitz | That's where money is | Jun 21 00:04 |
| schestowitz | Lying | Jun 21 00:04 |
| schestowitz | Fighting | Jun 21 00:04 |
| schestowitz | Destorying | Jun 21 00:04 |
| schestowitz | Stealing | Jun 21 00:04 |
| schestowitz | Forcing sales | Jun 21 00:04 |
| schestowitz | That's where the money is | Jun 21 00:04 |
| schestowitz | In being jerks | Jun 21 00:04 |
| schestowitz | There is money in ethical things | Jun 21 00:05 |
| schestowitz | But not as much | Jun 21 00:05 |
| _Hicham_ | hating schestowitz also brings a lot of money | Jun 21 00:05 |
| schestowitz | Maybe Web hits | Jun 21 00:05 |
| schestowitz | The anti-me posts | Jun 21 00:05 |
| schestowitz | But they achieve nothing | Jun 21 00:05 |
| schestowitz | They only give exposure | Jun 21 00:05 |
| _Hicham_ | schestowitz : Ryan is still banned? | Jun 21 00:16 |
| schestowitz | Nope | Jun 21 00:17 |
| _Hicham_ | good | Jun 21 00:17 |
| schestowitz | gn | Jun 21 00:17 |
| _Hicham_ | gn | Jun 21 00:17 |
| ugufjhfj | gn | Jun 21 00:17 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[astralknight] 10 reasons why open source makes sense on smart phones: http://digg.com/d1uOvZ?t | Jun 21 00:32 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[astralknight] Ubuntu Ultimate Edition 2.2 Released !!!: http://digg.com/d1uOy1?t | Jun 21 00:42 | |
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| _Hicham_ | wb Senor tacone | Jun 21 01:05 |
| _Hicham_ | our Maffioso | Jun 21 01:05 |
| tacone | hello | Jun 21 01:05 |
| tacone | they want to strip gimp | Jun 21 01:05 |
| _Hicham_ | why don't u use Linux? | Jun 21 01:05 |
| _Hicham_ | who are those? | Jun 21 01:06 |
| tacone | _Hicham_: guess who.. | Jun 21 01:06 |
| tacone | i'll post shortly about it | Jun 21 01:06 |
| tacone | I don't use linux because I'm in limited connection availability mode | Jun 21 01:06 |
| _Hicham_ | are u at work? | Jun 21 01:06 |
| tacone | and that gives me the motivation to try out macosx. | Jun 21 01:06 |
| tacone | i pretty much hate macosx, but i'm trying it out anyway. | Jun 21 01:07 |
| _Hicham_ | u gotta try openSUSE | Jun 21 01:07 |
| _Hicham_ | 11.2 | Jun 21 01:07 |
| tacone | oh, nice distro. | Jun 21 01:07 |
| tacone | i should try that. | Jun 21 01:07 |
| tacone | hope it fries my network card. | Jun 21 01:07 |
| _Hicham_ | mono is easily removable | Jun 21 01:07 |
| _Hicham_ | takes less than 10 seconds | Jun 21 01:08 |
| _Hicham_ | Ubuntu is more likely to fry ur network card | Jun 21 01:08 |
| _Hicham_ | what card do u have? | Jun 21 01:08 |
| _Hicham_ | intel card? | Jun 21 01:08 |
| tacone | dunno | Jun 21 01:08 |
| tacone | i heard about that bug, though :) | Jun 21 01:08 |
| _Hicham_ | ubuntu kernel patches did that | Jun 21 01:08 |
| _Hicham_ | it is not an upstream bug | Jun 21 01:09 |
| _Hicham_ | for how long have u used ubuntu? | Jun 21 01:09 |
| _Hicham_ | it was in 8.10 kernel i think | Jun 21 01:09 |
| tacone | since 6.05 | Jun 21 01:10 |
| tacone | 6.06 | Jun 21 01:10 |
| _Hicham_ | are u using Jaunty? | Jun 21 01:10 |
| tacone | yup. | Jun 21 01:11 |
| tacone | i was :) | Jun 21 01:11 |
| _Hicham_ | and u wiped it off ur hd? | Jun 21 01:12 |
| tacone | no, but i'm from the other partition | Jun 21 01:14 |
| tacone | tethering my cell from ubuntu would require effort. | Jun 21 01:14 |
| tacone | and configuring ubuntu to run decently on a macbook requires time. | Jun 21 01:14 |
| tacone | i did configure everything with intrepid, but didn't do it in Jaunty yet. | Jun 21 01:14 |
| _Hicham_ | why not just upgrade? | Jun 21 01:15 |
| tacone | i hate upgrading. | Jun 21 01:15 |
| tacone | upgrade is a bug prone program. | Jun 21 01:15 |
| tacone | btw, i used this laptop to try out the jaunty beta | Jun 21 01:15 |
| _Hicham_ | and how was ur review of it? | Jun 21 01:16 |
| tacone | that time, the mactel repos wer not ready | Jun 21 01:16 |
| _Hicham_ | they seem to focus more on i386/x86_64 | Jun 21 01:17 |
| tacone | review of jaunty ? nice boot time improvements. the rest was worthless. | Jun 21 01:17 |
| tacone | notifications can be good. but not that important | Jun 21 01:17 |
| tacone | and they're being fundamentalist about them. | Jun 21 01:17 |
| tacone | http://www.stefanoforenza.com/interactive-notifications-mockup/ | Jun 21 01:18 |
| _Hicham_ | those notifications are useless | Jun 21 01:20 |
| _Hicham_ | instead of contributing to existing notification daemon, they made their own crap | Jun 21 01:20 |
| _Hicham_ | boot improvements are also made by fedora and openSUSE | Jun 21 01:21 |
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| _Hicham_ | openSUSE and Fedora are slow at GNOME login | Jun 21 01:21 |
| _Hicham_ | the boot is really fast | Jun 21 01:21 |
| _Hicham_ | especially openSUSE 11.2 | Jun 21 01:21 |
| tacone | *we have a vision* | Jun 21 01:26 |
| tacone | of course. | Jun 21 01:26 |
| tacone | ubuntu lives on other people code. | Jun 21 01:26 |
| _Hicham_ | GNOME still needs improvements | Jun 21 01:27 |
| MinceR | that's what all distros do. | Jun 21 01:27 |
| tacone | _Hicham_: like a replacement ? :) | Jun 21 01:27 |
| _Hicham_ | MinceR : not all distros | Jun 21 01:27 |
| _Hicham_ | tacone : why a replacement? | Jun 21 01:27 |
| tacone | fedora contributes a lot of code. | Jun 21 01:27 |
| tacone | to get rid of stupid things. | Jun 21 01:27 |
| tacone | like gtk, hig and mono | Jun 21 01:28 |
| _Hicham_ | Fedora doesn't contribute to Mono | Jun 21 01:28 |
| MinceR | _Hicham_: so which distro codes its own kernel, userland utilities, windowing system and desktop environment? | Jun 21 01:28 |
| _Hicham_ | MinceR : Fedora almost does that | Jun 21 01:28 |
| MinceR | interesting | Jun 21 01:28 |
| _Hicham_ | they contribute the most to Kernel | Jun 21 01:28 |
| tacone | MinceR: isn't it weird that all the distros are planning fast boot at the same time ? | Jun 21 01:28 |
| MinceR | so which ones do they have in place of Linux, GNU, X and GNOME/KDE? | Jun 21 01:28 |
| tacone | who was the first ? | Jun 21 01:29 |
| _Hicham_ | they contribute the most to gnome | Jun 21 01:29 |
| _Hicham_ | RedHat hosts GNOME | Jun 21 01:29 |
| tacone | like Intrepid Ibex (tap in wireless network anywhere !) | Jun 21 01:29 |
| _Hicham_ | RedHat+Novell=Linux Main Development | Jun 21 01:30 |
| tacone | that feature is just the newer version of NetworkManager | Jun 21 01:30 |
| tacone | they just included the new upstream version | Jun 21 01:30 |
| _Hicham_ | did u read Greg Kroah Hartman's article about Linux ecosystem? | Jun 21 01:30 |
| _Hicham_ | NetworkManager is made by RedHat and Novell | Jun 21 01:30 |
| tacone | so, not an ubuntu feature. | Jun 21 01:31 |
| _Hicham_ | RedHat is Linux Authority N°1 | Jun 21 01:31 |
| _Hicham_ | Followed by Novell | Jun 21 01:31 |
| _Hicham_ | those are Facts | Jun 21 01:31 |
| MinceR | well, better bow down to novell then | Jun 21 01:31 |
| _Hicham_ | MinceR : what do u mean? | Jun 21 01:31 |
| MinceR | and force red hat's "computer-implemented inventions" on all countries | Jun 21 01:32 |
| tacone | Novell is good. that doesnt mean they're not corrupt. | Jun 21 01:32 |
| MinceR | _Hicham_: i thought you were aware of what this channel was about. | Jun 21 01:32 |
| _Hicham_ | MinceR : it is about the risks of Mono | Jun 21 01:32 |
| tacone | MinceR: truth is truth. | Jun 21 01:32 |
| MinceR | _Hicham_: can't you see beyond mono, then? | Jun 21 01:32 |
| _Hicham_ | I already created a mononono package for RPM distributions | Jun 21 01:32 |
| _Hicham_ | MinceR : what is beyond Mono? | Jun 21 01:33 |
| _Hicham_ | Microsoft taking ownership of Linux? | Jun 21 01:33 |
| MinceR | _Hicham_: indeed. linux patent FUD. | Jun 21 01:34 |
| _Hicham_ | well, Novell contributes a lot to Linux | Jun 21 01:34 |
| _Hicham_ | and that is a fact | Jun 21 01:34 |
| _Hicham_ | more than IBM, Oracle, HP, Intel and the others do | Jun 21 01:35 |
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| MinceR | right, then let's just forget that they're trying to destroy it. | Jun 21 01:39 |
| _Hicham_ | why not take what is good from them and let them the mono side? | Jun 21 01:41 |
| _Hicham_ | we are benefiting from kernel patches | Jun 21 01:41 |
| _Hicham_ | while they offer their customers Mono support | Jun 21 01:41 |
| _Hicham_ | plus, no corporate vendor can offer Mono | Jun 21 01:41 |
| MinceR | it isn't just mono | Jun 21 01:41 |
| _Hicham_ | what else? | Jun 21 01:41 |
| MinceR | also, novell as a corporate vendor does offer mono | Jun 21 01:42 |
| MinceR | 025055 < MinceR> _Hicham_: indeed. linux patent FUD. | Jun 21 01:42 |
| _Hicham_ | Novell only | Jun 21 01:43 |
| _Hicham_ | no other can | Jun 21 01:43 |
| _Hicham_ | because of patents | Jun 21 01:43 |
| _Hicham_ | Miguel de Icaza said that itself | Jun 21 01:44 |
| _Hicham_ | if u want Mono, u have to pay Microsoft | Jun 21 01:44 |
| _Hicham_ | it is as simple as that | Jun 21 01:46 |
| _Hicham_ | Mono will be just legacy when Microsoft will die | Jun 21 01:47 |
| tacone | disconnecting bye. | Jun 21 01:49 |
| _Hicham_ | bye tacone | Jun 21 01:49 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[astralknight] Microsoft Antitrust: Exposing the Evil Empire: http://digg.com/d1uPSx?t | Jun 21 03:37 | |
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| fewa | of germany | Jun 21 04:58 |
| fewa | so 2 Pirate Party MPs now | Jun 21 04:59 |
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| Another big fraud. http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=a_wEjSEl2u58 | Jun 21 05:19 | |
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| Tempfile | OEM's descover, that even if they ship Linux, if the customers do not want it they cant sell it. (or give it away). | Jun 21 07:09 |
| Tempfile | http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20090619161307529#c763977 | Jun 21 07:09 |
| DaemonXP | well, the funny thing is that they've managed to graft on support for the latest stuff onto XP | Jun 21 07:11 |
| DaemonXP | and it works | Jun 21 07:11 |
| DaemonXP | even at 8 years old the damned thing still works | Jun 21 07:11 |
| DaemonXP | funny that | Jun 21 07:11 |
| DaemonXP | they have a Acer netbook at Walmart I was looking at earlier | Jun 21 07:12 |
| DaemonXP | loaded, with bluetooth, firewire ports, built in webcam, built in wireless | Jun 21 07:12 |
| Omar871 | Hi there | Jun 21 07:13 |
| DaemonXP | the thing would be like getting castrated without anesthetics with Ubuntu | Jun 21 07:13 |
| DaemonXP | hell, half the time USB gadgets don't work | Jun 21 07:13 |
| Omar871 | God! I hated this article: http://linuxgeeksunited.blogspot.com/2009/06/on-novell.html | Jun 21 07:13 |
| Tempfile | "Taiwanese OEMs would love an alternative to Windows, but the sale comes first, before production." | Jun 21 07:13 |
| DaemonXP | Ubuntu needs to understand that it's the white trash cousin of Mac OS X | Jun 21 07:14 |
| DaemonXP | complete with broken car parts on the front lawn | Jun 21 07:14 |
| DaemonXP | the idea of the Mac is that you plug something into it and it works | Jun 21 07:15 |
| DaemonXP | you plug most things in running Ubuntu and it fails to recognize that there's something there | Jun 21 07:15 |
| DaemonXP | it's hardly surprising they can't sell their netbook edition | Jun 21 07:16 |
| DaemonXP | when I can't plug my phone, mp3 player, or game controller in and have it be recognized | Jun 21 07:16 |
| DaemonXP | they don't have the expertise to fix the situation either | Jun 21 07:16 |
| DaemonXP | Fedora has typically been the first distro to support hardware | Jun 21 07:17 |
| DaemonXP | if it doesn't work there, you're out of luck | Jun 21 07:17 |
| DaemonXP | and Ubuntu doesn't always necessarily fail because Linux doesn't understand what you've plugged in | Jun 21 07:18 |
| DaemonXP | a lot of the time it's a misconfiguration in Ubuntu's stock setup itself | Jun 21 07:18 |
| Tempfile | yes Ubuntu has gotten "on the nose" recently, it has always been that way for me, way too many bugs and growing | Jun 21 07:19 |
| DaemonXP | I'd like to see a more competent distribution on netbooks | Jun 21 07:19 |
| DaemonXP | Ubuntu has a huge amount of unearned popularity | Jun 21 07:19 |
| DaemonXP | it would be nice if they did some kind of arrangement with Mandriva, companies like Dell that is | Jun 21 07:20 |
| DaemonXP | they could probably push more product that way with less returns | Jun 21 07:20 |
| DaemonXP | Ubuntu's KDE edition also does not use gstreamer, so there's no way to ship that one legally with codec support | Jun 21 07:21 |
| DaemonXP | they use XINE | Jun 21 07:21 |
| Tempfile | kde is on the nose too these days. | Jun 21 07:21 |
| DaemonXP | KDE can use gstreamer through Phonon, same as Xine | Jun 21 07:22 |
| DaemonXP | point is, that ideally the OEM doesn't have to customize the distro much | Jun 21 07:22 |
| DaemonXP | but that's why you won't see any of them shipping Kubuntu | Jun 21 07:22 |
| Tempfile | plus, OEM's actually want to move product, not toy with software. so they will sell what they can sell. | Jun 21 07:23 |
| DaemonXP | exactly | Jun 21 07:24 |
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| DaemonXP | Dell mainly only offers Ubuntu with GNOME cause they need to ship legal codecs | Jun 21 07:24 |
| DaemonXP | and Ubuntu/GNOME use Gstreamer, so Dell can buy Fluendo codecs | Jun 21 07:24 |
| DaemonXP | not have to have people ask why their MP3 doesn't work | Jun 21 07:24 |
| Tempfile | yes, you have too, you cant sell product that does not work, and its impossible to explain to non FOSS savvy people that something does not work because of a codec, | Jun 21 07:26 |
| DaemonXP | I was reading one of those Paul Thurott articles (Windows promoter), and he struck me off guard by mentioning Vorbis | Jun 21 07:26 |
| DaemonXP | "Others may recommend bizarre and unpopular formats like FLAC or OGG. These people are also misguided: While these formats may offer some vague technical advantages over other audio formats, they are even less compatible than AAC or WMA. The people who do use (and advocate) these formats are generally more concerned with religious issues surrounding their disliking of proprietary technologies or products made by companies lik | Jun 21 07:26 |
| DaemonXP | Microsoft. My advice here is simple: Avoid these formats." | Jun 21 07:26 |
| DaemonXP | hehe | Jun 21 07:26 |
| DaemonXP | and the thing is, he's right but not for the reasons he thinks he is | Jun 21 07:27 |
| DaemonXP | it's just as easy to get shafted with Vorbis as it is if you had encoded everything into Windows Media | Jun 21 07:28 |
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| DaemonXP | there's only so many times I can stand to ask why something doesn't work right, get the reply "Don't use that then" | Jun 21 07:29 |
| DaemonXP | and not murder people | Jun 21 07:29 |
| DaemonXP | seriously, it makes my blood boil | Jun 21 07:29 |
| Tempfile | its exactly what FOSS should of done though, if they cannot use proprietary formats, they need to innovate and develop their own, its far better than just stealing something else. | Jun 21 07:29 |
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| Tempfile | with far less liability issues | Jun 21 07:29 |
| DaemonXP | Linux folk can be like that old joke | Jun 21 07:29 |
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| DaemonXP | Guy goes into the doctor, says "Doc, my arm hurts when I move it like this" | Jun 21 07:29 |
| DaemonXP | doctor says "Then don't move it like that" | Jun 21 07:30 |
| chips_b_malroy | whats your point Daemon? | Jun 21 07:30 |
| DaemonXP | the problem is that Vorbis is encombered with patents | Jun 21 07:30 |
| chips_b_malroy | Are are you just writing a book? | Jun 21 07:30 |
| DaemonXP | I could list about a dozen that Vorbis infringes on | Jun 21 07:30 |
| DaemonXP | that's why the uptake is non-existent | Jun 21 07:31 |
| chips_b_malroy | why should that bother a softie? | Jun 21 07:31 |
| DaemonXP | there's no point in using it if nothing can play it | Jun 21 07:31 |
| chips_b_malroy | patents that is | Jun 21 07:31 |
| chips_b_malroy | changing the subject I see | Jun 21 07:31 |
| chips_b_malroy | busted | Jun 21 07:31 |
| DaemonXP | a lot of the MP3 patents held in the US are so broad that Vorbis definitely infringes | Jun 21 07:32 |
| DaemonXP | they couldn't impleement anything that doesn't infringe | Jun 21 07:32 |
| chips_b_malroy | your postion, not mine, and still changing the point | Jun 21 07:32 |
| DaemonXP | Vorbis infringes on patents held by FhG, Thomson, Microsoft, Apple, and Lucent | Jun 21 07:32 |
| chips_b_malroy | you never stay with the point you make | Jun 21 07:32 |
| DaemonXP | probably a number of others | Jun 21 07:32 |
| chips_b_malroy | give link to balmer with patent | Jun 21 07:33 |
| DaemonXP | so you can't use Vorbis til the MP3 patents expire anyway | Jun 21 07:33 |
| chips_b_malroy | link? | Jun 21 07:33 |
| chips_b_malroy | prove it | Jun 21 07:33 |
| DaemonXP | http://www.tunequest.org/a-big-list-of-mp3-patents/20070226/ | Jun 21 07:33 |
| DaemonXP | read the description of what is patented | Jun 21 07:33 |
| Tempfile | I would not know, ive not looked at patents for MP3 or vorbis, I suspect very few have, or really care. | Jun 21 07:33 |
| chips_b_malroy | and its one of 256x? patents balmer boy said? | Jun 21 07:33 |
| DaemonXP | most of them describe any lossy codec implemented by anyone | Jun 21 07:33 |
| DaemonXP | not just MP3, AAC, or WMA | Jun 21 07:34 |
| schestowitz | > | Jun 21 07:34 |
| schestowitz | <DaemonXP> the problem is that Vorbis is encombered with patents | Jun 21 07:34 |
| DaemonXP | Perceptual coding of audio signals | Jun 21 07:34 |
| schestowitz | > | Jun 21 07:34 |
| schestowitz | <DaemonXP> I could list about a dozen that Vorbis infringes on | Jun 21 07:34 |
| chips_b_malroy | why talk about codex, when u were talking about patents and ogg | Jun 21 07:34 |
| DaemonXP | US Patent #: 5,341,457 | Jun 21 07:34 |
| *schestowitz has kicked DaemonXP from #boycottnovell (schestowitz) | Jun 21 07:34 | |
| chips_b_malroy | thank you | Jun 21 07:34 |
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| *schestowitz sets ban on *!n=DaemonXP@*.hsd1.in.comcast.net | Jun 21 07:34 | |
| *schestowitz has kicked DaemonXP from #boycottnovell (schestowitz) | Jun 21 07:34 | |
| chips_b_malroy | $hill had just gone to far | Jun 21 07:34 |
| schestowitz | He's not learning | Jun 21 07:35 |
| schestowitz | I gave him another change | Jun 21 07:35 |
| schestowitz | He comes here calling Ubuntu "white trash" within minutes | Jun 21 07:35 |
| schestowitz | So he's not interested in behaving | Jun 21 07:35 |
| chips_b_malroy | immature, if he is not a shill, giving him the benifit of the doubt | Jun 21 07:35 |
| schestowitz | chips_b_malroy: see logs from yesterday and the day before that for details | Jun 21 07:36 |
| schestowitz | Enough was enough | Jun 21 07:36 |
| chips_b_malroy | I came here to tell him I have a Sansi usb mp3 player | Jun 21 07:36 |
| chips_b_malroy | he has been a pain for a lot longer than that Roy, he is why I don't come here for one | Jun 21 07:36 |
| schestowitz | RyanFC? | Jun 21 07:37 |
| chips_b_malroy | sorry to say that, as he has some knowledge | Jun 21 07:37 |
| chips_b_malroy | not me | Jun 21 07:37 |
| chips_b_malroy | I am chips | Jun 21 07:37 |
| chips_b_malroy | for real | Jun 21 07:37 |
| schestowitz | I don't think he's a shall | Jun 21 07:37 |
| schestowitz | Just hyperactive ranter | Jun 21 07:37 |
| schestowitz | And he's hijacking the channel to pose | Jun 21 07:37 |
| chips_b_malroy | can't say for sure Roy | Jun 21 07:37 |
| schestowitz | It's not productive | Jun 21 07:37 |
| chips_b_malroy | one of a shills objectives is to be confused with being a troll | Jun 21 07:38 |
| schestowitz | I spend a lot of the time reading through garbage he writes like anti-xtian stuff and so do others | Jun 21 07:38 |
| schestowitz | chips_b_malroy: I see... | Jun 21 07:38 |
| schestowitz | Well, he does know EDelman | Jun 21 07:38 |
| chips_b_malroy | so they don't hurt the repetation on MS | Jun 21 07:38 |
| schestowitz | He knows them from his Wal-mart days | Jun 21 07:38 |
| chips_b_malroy | again, he could be real | Jun 21 07:38 |
| chips_b_malroy | but who cares | Jun 21 07:39 |
| chips_b_malroy | he waste the time of those who want to do good work here | Jun 21 07:39 |
| chips_b_malroy | yours, and others | Jun 21 07:39 |
| chips_b_malroy | who are important | Jun 21 07:39 |
| schestowitz | Have you found anything new? | Jun 21 07:39 |
| chips_b_malroy | to educate others | Jun 21 07:39 |
| schestowitz | Like Hopkins? | Jun 21 07:39 |
| schestowitz | Forrester does a lot of Microsoft laundry these days | Jun 21 07:39 |
| chips_b_malroy | have not looked recently | Jun 21 07:39 |
| schestowitz | Novell is dying | Jun 21 07:40 |
| chips_b_malroy | you know I used to scoure the internet to post on MS Watch, looked everywhere | Jun 21 07:40 |
| schestowitz | We might have to change site identity/focus | Jun 21 07:40 |
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| chips_b_malroy | a general linux/ms watch type of site Roy? | Jun 21 07:41 |
| schestowitz | CHANGE http://www.microsplot.com/CHANGE | Jun 21 07:41 |
| chips_b_malroy | or maybe monopoly software watch/linux site? | Jun 21 07:41 |
| schestowitz | chips_b_malroy: not too interested in such sites | Jun 21 07:41 |
| schestowitz | They flood BN now | Jun 21 07:41 |
| schestowitz | Libel, attacks, malice, dilution, waste of time | Jun 21 07:41 |
| schestowitz | Lots of disruption and personal angst recently | Jun 21 07:42 |
| chips_b_malroy | careful, M$ sues everyone that comes close to their name online | Jun 21 07:42 |
| chips_b_malroy | web indenty | Jun 21 07:42 |
| schestowitz | We did expose a lot more, regarding both NOVL and MSFT | Jun 21 07:42 |
| schestowitz | So I can see reasons for wanting to distract us | Jun 21 07:42 |
| schestowitz | and Mono is in a big crisis | Jun 21 07:42 |
| chips_b_malroy | yes, its follow the money with M$ and Novell | Jun 21 07:42 |
| schestowitz | The whole Web talks about removing Mono and there is public support, Novell wants to sell, and MS runs in to debt | Jun 21 07:43 |
| schestowitz | Just as I've predicated since 2006 | Jun 21 07:43 |
| schestowitz | *cted | Jun 21 07:43 |
| schestowitz | MS sues? | Jun 21 07:43 |
| schestowitz | For what? Trademarks? | Jun 21 07:43 |
| chips_b_malroy | just keep hitting the patents, the hidden deal, the fat32 lawsuits, complaining to Debian, Ubuntu, other distro's. you are winning | Jun 21 07:43 |
| schestowitz | I can't think of precedence against sites like Groklaw | Jun 21 07:43 |
| chips_b_malroy | web indentity, close name to micro$oft online | Jun 21 07:44 |
| chips_b_malroy | like microsucks | Jun 21 07:44 |
| chips_b_malroy | .com | Jun 21 07:44 |
| chips_b_malroy | stuff like that | Jun 21 07:44 |
| chips_b_malroy | they been doing that for years | Jun 21 07:45 |
| schestowitz | But ours is not | Jun 21 07:45 |
| chips_b_malroy | I just point it out. You can google for it. They have done it, close names. Think about the lawsuit with Linsphere. Before they were Winshpere I think. | Jun 21 07:47 |
| chips_b_malroy | sorry for spelling, I on laptop | Jun 21 07:47 |
| chips_b_malroy | M$ likes to sue, they have money, or at least can borrow still cheaply in a depression with ultra low interest rates. cheap to sue if you are a legal firm. | Jun 21 07:48 |
| chips_b_malroy | I think M$ wants to try to turn Novell into another SCO. but I think Novell (I hope) is not that evil. | Jun 21 07:49 |
| chips_b_malroy | Novell might cut them off (M$) if they ever become stable money wise, I hope | Jun 21 07:50 |
| schestowitz | They sue firms | Jun 21 07:50 |
| schestowitz | Not people, unless they are counterfeiting | Jun 21 07:50 |
| schestowitz | ChanServ: cNovell can't become stable | Jun 21 07:51 |
| schestowitz | But it'll split and sold in pieces IMHO | Jun 21 07:51 |
| schestowitz | Citrix or Cisco might buy some | Jun 21 07:51 |
| schestowitz | The MS shills still troll me in Twitter | Jun 21 07:51 |
| Tempfile | http://finance.yahoo.com/echarts?s=NOVL#chart5:symbol=novl;range=5d;compare=ibm+msft+rht;indicator=volume;charttype=line;crosshair=on;ohlcvalues=0;logscale=on;source=undefined | Jun 21 07:52 |
| schestowitz | "Jesper Lund Stocholmjlundstocholm@fiberartisan noooo ... you are not allowed to have frienly relations when it comes to doc formats; you'll end up on @schestowitz's website" https://twitter.com/jlundstocholm/status/2263032749 | Jun 21 07:52 |
| schestowitz | IBM and MS have buybacks | Jun 21 07:52 |
| schestowitz | NOVL had some too, Red Hat also | Jun 21 07:52 |
| schestowitz | See Novell jumping there | Jun 21 07:52 |
| schestowitz | ? | Jun 21 07:52 |
| schestowitz | That's because of the word it'll be sold in pieces | Jun 21 07:53 |
| chips_b_malroy | Its only when the trolls seem to hate you Roy, that you know your are on the right track. But thats my opinion. | Jun 21 07:53 |
| schestowitz | It came out shortly after BN had spoken about it | Jun 21 07:53 |
| schestowitz | Cause Novell's CFO talked about it | Jun 21 07:53 |
| PetoKraus | hehehe: http://thepiratebay.org/torrent/4962775/ | Jun 21 07:53 |
| schestowitz | ChanServ: see the new comments from Wouter | Jun 21 07:53 |
| schestowitz | BIG MS shill | Jun 21 07:53 |
| schestowitz | Known one in Holland | Jun 21 07:53 |
| schestowitz | The Wouter shill | Jun 21 07:53 |
| chips_b_malroy | its only M$ money proping up Novell for last 2 years, we all know that | Jun 21 07:54 |
| schestowitz | http://boycottnovell.com/2009/06/18/opendocument-upper-hand/#comments | Jun 21 07:54 |
| schestowitz | chips_b_malroy: they would default otherwise | Jun 21 07:54 |
| schestowitz | Novell had a choice | Jun 21 07:54 |
| schestowitz | -Go out of business | Jun 21 07:54 |
| schestowitz | -or become MS shill | Jun 21 07:54 |
| schestowitz | They went to MS | Jun 21 07:54 |
| schestowitz | Got paid $300ml | Jun 21 07:54 |
| schestowitz | to become a cheap shill | Jun 21 07:54 |
| schestowitz | And they could live for a while loner | Jun 21 07:55 |
| chips_b_malroy | still, what do you think Roy, do we still in some way need Novell? To follow though and bankrupt the pawn of M$ (in my opinion) SCO? | Jun 21 07:55 |
| chips_b_malroy | agreed, they are the pawn of M$ | Jun 21 07:55 |
| schestowitz | We don't need Novell | Jun 21 07:55 |
| schestowitz | We need SUSE | Jun 21 07:55 |
| chips_b_malroy | but still, they have this interest to protect themselves against SCO | Jun 21 07:56 |
| schestowitz | Or its Linux business, iwhtout the covenants, if that's possible | Jun 21 07:56 |
| Tempfile | and Novell lead the network OS with Netware at the same time MS was flopping about with Win3.11 arguably W311 was alot worse that Netware | Jun 21 07:56 |
| schestowitz | Poach Novell's Linux people | Jun 21 07:56 |
| schestowitz | wipe SUSE | Jun 21 07:56 |
| schestowitz | Replace with Red Hat | Jun 21 07:56 |
| schestowitz | Work done | Jun 21 07:56 |
| schestowitz | No coupons, no mess | Jun 21 07:56 |
| chips_b_malroy | I would like to see IBM buy Suse | Jun 21 07:56 |
| schestowitz | Won't happen | Jun 21 07:56 |
| schestowitz | IBM proxifies Linux | Jun 21 07:57 |
| chips_b_malroy | and say goodbye to MS deal | Jun 21 07:57 |
| chips_b_malroy | they would likely merge, not buy Red Hat before that | Jun 21 07:57 |
| schestowitz | They funded the purchase of S.u.S.E. | Jun 21 07:57 |
| chips_b_malroy | as they already have AIX | Jun 21 07:57 |
| schestowitz | And they endorse the "IP" scam | Jun 21 07:57 |
| chips_b_malroy | news to me | Jun 21 07:57 |
| schestowitz | And Of Course: RIAA Mouthpieces Defend $1.92 Million Judgment< http://techdirt.com/articles/20090619/1843155298.shtml > | Jun 21 07:58 |
| chips_b_malroy | yes, I know they into the patents as well | Jun 21 07:58 |
| chips_b_malroy | RIAA and MS are so close | Jun 21 07:58 |
| chips_b_malroy | watch for M$ to use the BSA (like the RIAA) on its way downhill to sue its "pirated" custermers. | Jun 21 07:59 |
| chips_b_malroy | example, the school headmaster in Russia, that installed bogus windows software. Gobo asks Gates to intervene, and Bill says its not his to do. | Jun 21 08:00 |
| chips_b_malroy | They will sue using a proxy, when times are tuff, and they going be someday | Jun 21 08:01 |
| schestowitz | BSA is linked to Gates | Jun 21 08:01 |
| chips_b_malroy | Good reason to use free software | Jun 21 08:01 |
| schestowitz | Gates Sr.'s cronies work in BSA | Jun 21 08:01 |
| chips_b_malroy | yes, I know | Jun 21 08:01 |
| chips_b_malroy | most likely a bigger money trail there than we know | Jun 21 08:02 |
| schestowitz | BSA is also an MS lobby | Jun 21 08:02 |
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| schestowitz | For patents in the EU | Jun 21 08:02 |
| schestowitz | And to put MS inside government | Jun 21 08:02 |
| schestowitz | BSA is a lobbyist as well | Jun 21 08:02 |
| chips_b_malroy | wonder if that is a subject for research, the BSA and MS who owns it | Jun 21 08:02 |
| chips_b_malroy | in more detail | Jun 21 08:02 |
| chips_b_malroy | so much to research | Jun 21 08:03 |
| chips_b_malroy | so much money has Gates, spent everywhere to buy everyone of importance | Jun 21 08:03 |
| chips_b_malroy | to create more power and more money | Jun 21 08:04 |
| chips_b_malroy | Gates is not pure evil, he is just greedy beyond believe. He might even turn to the light someday, I hope | Jun 21 08:05 |
| chips_b_malroy | wish the best for him, i do | Jun 21 08:05 |
| Tempfile | seeing he's retired and gives away a huge amount of money, It would appear neither power or money is anylonger that important to him. | Jun 21 08:06 |
| chips_b_malroy | You right about the connection with the government. They completely own the US gov | Jun 21 08:06 |
| chips_b_malroy | go away shill | Jun 21 08:06 |
| chips_b_malroy | tempfile | Jun 21 08:06 |
| schestowitz | Tempfile: hahaha. | Jun 21 08:06 |
| chips_b_malroy | he is not retired | Jun 21 08:06 |
| schestowitz | Gates Foundation is parlty scam | Jun 21 08:06 |
| chips_b_malroy | prove that | Jun 21 08:07 |
| schestowitz | And he's far from rfetired | Jun 21 08:07 |
| schestowitz | He's an uber lobbyist for Microsoft | Jun 21 08:07 |
| chips_b_malroy | chairman of the board | Jun 21 08:07 |
| chips_b_malroy | part time employee\\ | Jun 21 08:07 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[omar_s_hafez] Is off to Amman to meet a Issa, to negotiate the whereabouts of the to-be-established Jordanian Free Culture Society. | Jun 21 08:07 | |
| chips_b_malroy | major major shareholder | Jun 21 08:07 |
| chips_b_malroy | spammer | Jun 21 08:08 |
| chips_b_malroy | Gates is still their lead architech | Jun 21 08:08 |
| fewa | BillG goes around forcing US Intellectual monopoly regimes on the entire world | Jun 21 08:09 |
| chips_b_malroy | software wise, which in simple words means he still pulls all the strings | Jun 21 08:09 |
| chips_b_malroy | fewa, yes | Jun 21 08:09 |
| fewa | and forcing them to pay money to US pharmeceuticals for the priviliage of making life-saving drugs | Jun 21 08:09 |
| chips_b_malroy | Balmer is just the sweaty monkey boy on a string, the errand boy sort of. A Salesman. | Jun 21 08:10 |
| chips_b_malroy | sales are going down lately | Jun 21 08:10 |
| fewa | He is spending alot of money to make sure that there are no more brazils, no more countries that understand Intellectual Monopolies, and vendor lock-in | Jun 21 08:10 |
| chips_b_malroy | yes | Jun 21 08:11 |
| schestowitz | Exactly | Jun 21 08:11 |
| chips_b_malroy | that money is not going last forever | Jun 21 08:11 |
| schestowitz | BN wrote about this many times | Jun 21 08:11 |
| schestowitz | But it's worse | Jun 21 08:11 |
| chips_b_malroy | yes | Jun 21 08:11 |
| fewa | Its about making them complacent | Jun 21 08:11 |
| chips_b_malroy | you have | Jun 21 08:11 |
| schestowitz | He uses other people's tax money for this | Jun 21 08:11 |
| fewa | exactly, he doesnt really give them anything, he forces the countries to foot the bill | Jun 21 08:11 |
| schestowitz | As in, he and Melinda will tell your government to pay big phrmas (that he invests in) foir drugs | Jun 21 08:11 |
| fewa | for the "right" to make a drug | Jun 21 08:11 |
| schestowitz | Then pretending he saves people's lives | Jun 21 08:12 |
| schestowitz | Rather than boosting company whose shares he holds | Jun 21 08:12 |
| schestowitz | And using taxpayers' funds | Jun 21 08:12 |
| chips_b_malroy | Gates is the brain, Balmer is the deciple | Jun 21 08:12 |
| schestowitz | While he NEED NOT PAY TAX | Jun 21 08:12 |
| fewa | more countries need to emulate the model of Brazil | Jun 21 08:12 |
| schestowitz | B&M Foundation is a tax haven | Jun 21 08:12 |
| fewa | a country that understands | Jun 21 08:12 |
| chips_b_malroy | I read somewhere, (please do not ask for link) that Gates pay less tax percentage wise than the average american. This the worlds richest man. | Jun 21 08:13 |
| schestowitz | It's probably true | Jun 21 08:13 |
| schestowitz | Does he pay /any/ tax? | Jun 21 08:13 |
| schestowitz | http://www.commondreams.org/views06/0823-26.htm | Jun 21 08:14 |
| schestowitz | ^link related to this | Jun 21 08:14 |
| chips_b_malroy | Ireland, a tax loophole for M$, glad to see you been writing on that Roy | Jun 21 08:14 |
| schestowitz | Sadly, most people are exposed to PR on this subject | Jun 21 08:14 |
| schestowitz | They don't look for answers | Jun 21 08:14 |
| schestowitz | ChanServ: yes, that's MS | Jun 21 08:14 |
| schestowitz | It evades tax too | Jun 21 08:14 |
| schestowitz | But it's not related to Gates | Jun 21 08:14 |
| fewa | and blackmails the federal government | Jun 21 08:15 |
| fewa | when Obama just says everyone has to play fair | Jun 21 08:15 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft has a lot to be criticised, but the press paint the picture of MS being a victims for being "a big company" | Jun 21 08:15 |
| chips_b_malroy | Gates/M$ not the same? In some ways they are, are gates ownes so much of the voting stock. | Jun 21 08:15 |
| schestowitz | They are | Jun 21 08:15 |
| schestowitz | They play bad cop, good cop | Jun 21 08:15 |
| schestowitz | It's an old trick | Jun 21 08:15 |
| chips_b_malroy | the problem for M$ with Obama is this | Jun 21 08:16 |
| chips_b_malroy | they cannot tax the lower middle class anymore, most of them are out of work | Jun 21 08:16 |
| chips_b_malroy | Bama knows that the US needs more revenue | Jun 21 08:16 |
| chips_b_malroy | so they have to tax the rich | Jun 21 08:16 |
| chips_b_malroy | if they tax the rich, it has to be across the board tax, no loopholes, which is what M$ whats | Jun 21 08:17 |
| chips_b_malroy | *wants | Jun 21 08:17 |
| fewa | you said that poorely | Jun 21 08:17 |
| schestowitz | Obama launches overhaul of US financial regulation < http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2009/jun/17/obama-financial-reforms > | Jun 21 08:17 |
| chips_b_malroy | yes | Jun 21 08:17 |
| fewa | M$ want to be given a free ride, this is unfair to AMericans, and the american people | Jun 21 08:18 |
| schestowitz | chips_b_malroy: no, "IP" | Jun 21 08:18 |
| schestowitz | The US knows it must somehow rip off other countries | Jun 21 08:18 |
| schestowitz | Like CHina | Jun 21 08:18 |
| chips_b_malroy | fewa, agreed | Jun 21 08:18 |
| schestowitz | And the whole WIPO scam starts there | Jun 21 08:18 |
| schestowitz | BSA etc. | Jun 21 08:18 |
| fewa | schestowitz, the supplamental gave $500 million to the IMF and european banks | Jun 21 08:18 |
| chips_b_malroy | cannot rip off china | Jun 21 08:18 |
| fewa | ust handed them money | Jun 21 08:18 |
| schestowitz | "Pay us for the "IP", we'll take your minerals" | Jun 21 08:18 |
| chips_b_malroy | ip is a false house of cards, it will all come down in time | Jun 21 08:19 |
| schestowitz | Yes | Jun 21 08:19 |
| schestowitz | I look forward to it | Jun 21 08:19 |
| schestowitz | Bad for the rich | Jun 21 08:19 |
| fewa | Brazil has already realized | Jun 21 08:19 |
| schestowitz | VERY bad for them | Jun 21 08:19 |
| schestowitz | So as long as they are in charge they will fight for intellectual MONOPOLY | Jun 21 08:19 |
| fewa | Even if china collapses, brazil will continue to develop | Jun 21 08:20 |
| schestowitz | brazil does not fancy those patents either | Jun 21 08:20 |
| schestowitz | We have some folks from Brazil in IRC | Jun 21 08:20 |
| Tempfile | whats Brazils population ?? | Jun 21 08:20 |
| chips_b_malroy | China will not cloaspe | Jun 21 08:20 |
| schestowitz | Tempfile: like 300 million | Jun 21 08:21 |
| chips_b_malroy | The US and Europe might | Jun 21 08:21 |
| Tempfile | about the same as the US !! ok | Jun 21 08:21 |
| chips_b_malroy | China is an industrial producer, the US and Europe has lost most of that | Jun 21 08:21 |
| schestowitz | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brazil | Jun 21 08:21 |
| schestowitz | 191,241,714 | Jun 21 08:22 |
| schestowitz | About the same in Nigeria maybe | Jun 21 08:22 |
| schestowitz | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nigeria 148,000,000 | Jun 21 08:22 |
| fewa | chips_b_malroy, true, im wrong | Jun 21 08:22 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Here is the weather for 2080: floods, droughts and heatwaves http://ping.fm/S079y | Jun 21 08:22 | |
| schestowitz | http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2009/jun/18/coal-dump-location-obama-usa RMS: "Obama is using bogus "terrorist" concerns to conceal the location of toxic dumps of coal power plant waste, which present a substantial danger of accidents." | Jun 21 08:23 |
| schestowitz | Yes men strike again: WORLD LEADERS SIGN PACT TO AVERT CLIMATE DISASTER < http://typingisnotactivism.wordpress.com/2009/06/18/world-leaders-sign-pact-to-avert-climate-disaster/ > | Jun 21 08:25 |
| chips_b_malroy | IP a funny thing, its only as good as the law that protects it. Its only as good as the countries that have the laws to protect it. Countries like Cuba, Iran, N. Korea, do not respect Ip. Also, because of the gambling issue signed into law by George Bush, Barbados, was granted a court case at one time, to cheat on usa IP by the EU. Not sure where that is at now | Jun 21 08:25 |
| schestowitz | "IP" is a decree/waiver | Jun 21 08:25 |
| schestowitz | it offers you the benefit YOU want | Jun 21 08:25 |
| schestowitz | Software patents? | Jun 21 08:25 |
| schestowitz | You got it | Jun 21 08:26 |
| schestowitz | Owning genes? | Jun 21 08:26 |
| schestowitz | Just name your law. | Jun 21 08:26 |
| fewa | http://wikileaks.org/wiki/Obama_IAEA_nuclear_sites_declaration_for_the_United_States%2C_draft%2C_267_pages%2C_5_May_2009 | Jun 21 08:26 |
| fewa | he gives away nuclear, but wont release coal・ | Jun 21 08:26 |
| fewa | ? | Jun 21 08:26 |
| chips_b_malroy | IP law, so called international, is only as good as the weakest link. Look at the Pirates Bay as an anogoly. | Jun 21 08:26 |
| schestowitz | That's what happens when the "rulling elite" (I think the Scholrz spoke about it) is in charge of the opulent | Jun 21 08:27 |
| schestowitz | The US was actually established on the idea that the ruling elite should run it, defending it from the majority | Jun 21 08:27 |
| schestowitz | IP is an example of this | Jun 21 08:27 |
| chips_b_malroy | fewa, its not about Bama, its about M$ and Novell here | Jun 21 08:27 |
| schestowitz | Separation between levels of power and access to simple nowledge | Jun 21 08:27 |
| schestowitz | No child -leaps ahead- left behind | Jun 21 08:28 |
| fewa | I was talking about the coal sites link http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2009/jun/18/coal-dump-location-obama-usa' | Jun 21 08:28 |
| fewa | http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2009/jun/18/coal-dump-location-obama-usa | Jun 21 08:28 |
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| chips_b_malroy | Roy, not the US, on the idea that the ruling elite should run it. Its those who secertly run the US | Jun 21 08:28 |
| schestowitz | No, not really a secret | Jun 21 08:28 |
| schestowitz | Let me find something | Jun 21 08:29 |
| chips_b_malroy | the lobyists for the the rich | Jun 21 08:29 |
| fewa | http://iht.greenpeace.org/heads-of-state-agree-historic-climate-saving-deal-2/ | Jun 21 08:29 |
| schestowitz | The Real News for example: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kNpNzDoH1II | Jun 21 08:29 |
| schestowitz | brb | Jun 21 08:29 |
| chips_b_malroy | well its not real secret, thats for sure. But the media trys to pretent that this is a "democracy." | Jun 21 08:30 |
| chips_b_malroy | Its not the worse country in the world by any means, lot of good folks here, that I will tell you | Jun 21 08:31 |
| chips_b_malroy | Microsoft: 18-month Windows 7 downgrade rights http://www.channelregister.co.uk/2009/06/19/windows_7_downgrade_rights_clarity/ | Jun 21 08:37 |
| chips_b_malroy | still cannot sell Vi$ta-$even without XP as a backstop I see | Jun 21 08:38 |
| chips_b_malroy | More with M$ and NBC forming a closer "partnership"? NBC Universal, Microsoft strike ad alliance http://www.bizjournals.com/losangeles/stories/2009/06/15/daily32.html | Jun 21 08:40 |
| chips_b_malroy | I have to worry about M$ and its lack of ethics being involves with a company that provides the nightly news | Jun 21 08:41 |
| schestowitz | Vista7 will disappoint | Jun 21 08:42 |
| schestowitz | It won't sell | Jun 21 08:42 |
| schestowitz | Companies have no money to toy with a less stable Vista | Jun 21 08:42 |
| schestowitz | I saw that NBC 'news' | Jun 21 08:42 |
| schestowitz | NBC is a joke, but not in the public mind, yet | Jun 21 08:43 |
| chips_b_malroy | well goodnight Roy and all, its been fun. | Jun 21 08:43 |
| schestowitz | OK | Jun 21 08:43 |
| chips_b_malroy | yes, but NBC is a bad sick joke Roy | Jun 21 08:43 |
| schestowitz | Not in people's minds | Jun 21 08:44 |
| schestowitz | They think they get the news | Jun 21 08:44 |
| schestowitz | Same with Fox | Jun 21 08:44 |
| schestowitz | Cause they hear stuff they like | Jun 21 08:44 |
| schestowitz | Like "Charitable Gates" | Jun 21 08:44 |
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| schestowitz | Or dolphins news... | Jun 21 08:44 |
| schestowitz | "5.3 Unless you have been specifically permitted to do so in a separate agreement with Google, you agree that you will not reproduce, duplicate, copy, sell, trade or resell the Services for any purpose." http://www.google.com/chrome/intl/en/eula_text.html | Jun 21 08:51 |
| schestowitz | Twitter to verify accounts to eliminate celebrity impostors < http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2009/06/08/BU98183659.DTL&type=tech > | Jun 21 08:54 |
| schestowitz | Amazon.com Pays Toys 'R' Us $51 Million to Settle Dispute http://www.auctionbytes.com/cab/abn/y09/m06/i15/s04 | Jun 21 09:06 |
| fewa | some olbermann is quite decent | Jun 21 09:07 |
| schestowitz | http://legaltimes.typepad.com/blt/2009/06/mayer-brown-predicts-sec-will-focus-on-insider-trading-.html Mayer Brown Predicts SEC will Focus on Insider Trading | Jun 21 09:09 |
| schestowitz | olbermann is OK | Jun 21 09:09 |
| schestowitz | think fill and content | Jun 21 09:10 |
| schestowitz | fewa: it's like when blatently pro-MS sites write about Linux and Macs every now and then to pretend there is blance | Jun 21 09:10 |
| schestowitz | And then capture viewers for the brainwash. News media is the same. | Jun 21 09:10 |
| fewa | yes, news sites need to declare conflicts of interests | Jun 21 09:11 |
| fewa | msnbc should not write about software | Jun 21 09:11 |
| schestowitz | Or NBC on energy matters | Jun 21 09:11 |
| schestowitz | (GE) | Jun 21 09:11 |
| fewa | yes | Jun 21 09:11 |
| fewa | and news companies need to be independent | Jun 21 09:12 |
| fewa | idealy | Jun 21 09:12 |
| schestowitz | Watching as desktop software disappears < http://blogs.computerworld.com/web_apps_0 > | Jun 21 09:15 |
| schestowitz | fewa: won't happen | Jun 21 09:15 |
| schestowitz | Not without laws | Jun 21 09:15 |
| fewa | thats why i said idealy | Jun 21 09:15 |
| fewa | its never been that way | Jun 21 09:15 |
| schestowitz | There is finanical potential in being curruptible | Jun 21 09:15 |
| schestowitz | News and PR are related | Jun 21 09:15 |
| fewa | so will likely stay that way | Jun 21 09:15 |
| schestowitz | PR wants to use the news | Jun 21 09:15 |
| schestowitz | News needs PR to be paid | Jun 21 09:15 |
| schestowitz | So they get wrapped in one another | Jun 21 09:16 |
| fewa | news want to make money being corrupted | Jun 21 09:16 |
| schestowitz | Then it remains for them to pretend to be impartial, a la Fox | Jun 21 09:16 |
| fewa | in a trustable way | Jun 21 09:16 |
| schestowitz | I see some conflict of interests where MS is involved | Jun 21 09:16 |
| schestowitz | Like Ballmer publishing his articles | Jun 21 09:16 |
| schestowitz | Or husband of head of the Gates FOundation planting piece in Time | Jun 21 09:17 |
| schestowitz | And Time/Fotune running anti-Linux pro-MS articles | Jun 21 09:17 |
| schestowitz | PRWatch is good at exposing some culprits | Jun 21 09:17 |
| schestowitz | Sun Is Said to Cancel Big Chip Project http://bits.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/06/15/sun-is-said-to-cancel-big-chip-project/ | Jun 21 09:21 |
| fewa | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KxNJg7d7D_s Obama has a sense of humor :P | Jun 21 09:23 |
| schestowitz | http://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2009/06/record-labels-awarde PJ: 'How 'crazy' does Charles Nesson seem now?" He said it's fair use | Jun 21 09:23 |
| schestowitz | "20 June 2009" | Jun 21 09:25 |
| schestowitz | Is this new? | Jun 21 09:25 |
| fewa | #t=4m45s | Jun 21 09:25 |
| fewa | yeah | Jun 21 09:25 |
| schestowitz | If only he ran the country | Jun 21 09:25 |
| fewa | 4:45 | Jun 21 09:26 |
| schestowitz | Yes, seen it | Jun 21 09:27 |
| schestowitz | Groklaw turns out to have linked to us | Jun 21 09:28 |
| schestowitz | I now see what happened with Weir | Jun 21 09:28 |
| schestowitz | basically I followed Wikipedia | Jun 21 09:28 |
| schestowitz | Then Pj linked to it | Jun 21 09:28 |
| schestowitz | Weir wrote about it | Jun 21 09:28 |
| schestowitz | And then PJ | Jun 21 09:28 |
| schestowitz | I can't quite see referrers on the current server | Jun 21 09:28 |
| schestowitz | No wonder Stocholm and chums (OIiver Bell) keep track of us now | Jun 21 09:29 |
| schestowitz | HealthSouth’s Scrushy Liable in $2.876 Billion Fraud < http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601103&sid=a89tFKR4OevM > | Jun 21 09:30 |
| schestowitz | Stanford too | Jun 21 09:30 |
| schestowitz | We'll be seeing many frauds in times to come | Jun 21 09:31 |
| schestowitz | The depression forces them to fold their cards | Jun 21 09:31 |
| fewa | my own data was heisted by one of those companies that stored public health care data | Jun 21 09:31 |
| schestowitz | Now we have Phorm | Jun 21 09:32 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] This is priceless: http://ping.fm/iKqa2 Microsoft partner to watch over OOXML in ISO http://ping.fm/RyZfF | Jun 21 09:32 | |
| schestowitz | It's disgusting. They sell people's identities | Jun 21 09:32 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Potter plagiarism claims denied < http://ping.fm/aK1yk > | Jun 21 09:37 | |
| schestowitz | More Windows from ASUS, which got sucked in by Microsoft (probably for a form of bribe): http://www.crn.com/mobile/218000109;jsessionid=JKIOMQRG4Z5MIQSNDLPSKH0CJUNN2JVN | Jun 21 09:38 |
| fewa | we need one of those bots that gives information about posted urls | Jun 21 09:38 |
| fewa | perhaps | Jun 21 09:38 |
| schestowitz | http://twitter.com/danielrendall/statuses/2221422469 | Jun 21 09:45 |
| schestowitz | Shill Wouter tries to look impartial now | Jun 21 09:47 |
| schestowitz | Bottom-feeding from the guy who pays 'experts' to edit Wikipedia: http://twitter.com/dmahugh/statuses/2235819869 | Jun 21 09:48 |
| fewa | dmahugh is disgusting | Jun 21 09:54 |
| schestowitz | http://www.linuxine.com/story/microsoft-and-novell-share-goal-eliminating-free-gnulinux-imposing-software-patents | Jun 21 09:56 |
| schestowitz | fewa: ethically criminal | Jun 21 09:56 |
| schestowitz | Remember what he did in Malaysia | Jun 21 09:56 |
| schestowitz | Someone uses us to explain Microsoft AstroTurf ... http://marsupilamima.blogspot.com/2009/06/blogs-si-cest-pas-vrai-cest-bien-imite.html | Jun 21 09:57 |
| Tempfile | http://www.thevarguy.com/2009/06/15/novell-suse-linux-training-plus-red-hat-migration-offer/ isnt that just a company trying to compete in a market ? | Jun 21 10:04 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] "Retired U.S. Col. Ralph Peters has written an essay calling for military attacks on journalists." http://ping.fm/EZdJz | Jun 21 10:07 | |
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| schestowitz | Apple boss 'had liver transplant' < http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/rss/-/1/hi/world/americas/8110625.stm > | Jun 21 10:10 |
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| schestowitz | There's some really ugly stuff... | Jun 21 10:11 |
| schestowitz | http://www.prwatch.org/node/8419 | Jun 21 10:11 |
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| schestowitz | MS also used lawmedia, another watchdog, privacy international, whisper campaingers vs anti-google | Jun 21 10:12 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Learn how Microsoft hires shills to attack Google: http://ping.fm/HKeMe | Jun 21 10:12 | |
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| adasd | zz | Jun 21 10:14 |
| adasd | am i connected? | Jun 21 10:14 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.mercurynews.com/news/ci_12602248?nclick_check=1 (Gov. Schwarzenegger wants California's schools to adopt digital textbooks) | Jun 21 10:21 |
| schestowitz | Yes, connexted, adasd | Jun 21 10:21 |
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| schestowitz | Why support Ubuntu 8.04 and not newer versions? http://asterisk.tmcnet.com/topics/open-source/articles/58178-ubuntu-804-now-available-click2trys-online-open-source.htm | Jun 21 10:28 |
| fewa | they are use to the less verision model | Jun 21 10:31 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Some people think Amazon opened up the Kindle for more than just GPL compliance: http://ping.fm/PUm8c | Jun 21 10:32 | |
| schestowitz | fewa: was it LTS? | Jun 21 10:33 |
| fewa | schestowitz, yes | Jun 21 10:33 |
| schestowitz | Tesco used to sell 6.06 | Jun 21 10:34 |
| schestowitz | LTS | Jun 21 10:34 |
| schestowitz | But now that Tesco gets Microsoft bribes to recite MS lies this may no longer be the case | Jun 21 10:35 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft needs a lot of watching. it breaks the laws a lot | Jun 21 10:35 |
| schestowitz | Even the ASA should raid them | Jun 21 10:35 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Watch the cheapening of the term "open source": now "Open source heavy metal" < http://ping.fm/nyf2r > | Jun 21 10:37 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] No Amazon Didn't Open Source the Kindle < http://ping.fm/hlFSA >. Amazon is also predatory with software patents. | Jun 21 10:42 | |
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| khm | \ping twitter | Jun 21 11:07 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Iran Uses Novell and Microsoft Software to Make Bombs < http://ping.fm/hJ9jy > | Jun 21 11:42 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Novell’s Financial Problems and Radical Redemption Plans < http://ping.fm/r8IBM > | Jun 21 12:07 | |
| Tempfile | "President Gerald Ford signed a directive in 1976 offering Tehran the chance to buy and operate a U.S.-built reprocessing facility for extracting plutonium from nuclear reactor fuel. The deal was for a complete 'nuclear fuel cycle'."[38] At the time, Richard Cheney was the White House Chief of Staff, and Donald Rumsfeld was the Secretary of Defense" | Jun 21 12:11 |
| Tempfile | Cheney and Rumsfeld !!! they are everywhere :) | Jun 21 12:12 |
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| trmanco | http://www.reddit.com/tb/8uaoa | Jun 21 12:26 |
| trmanco | told you that Firefox 3.5's memory usage went down | Jun 21 12:26 |
| trmanco | "Here we note the browser that has the best results in the experiment at every level. Firefox 3.5 used the smallest amount of memory during its peak, it used the smallest amount of memory when all points were averaged, and it used the smallest amount of memory at the end of the experiment after all tabs were closed. Firefox 3.5 continues Firefox 3.0's legacy of being the most memory efficient browser in this style of experiment." | Jun 21 12:26 |
| schestowitz | http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB82/ | Jun 21 12:29 |
| schestowitz | trmanco: it's when it goes out of control that it leads to problem | Jun 21 12:29 |
| schestowitz | Even closing it won't do because it needs to be killed, so it must be a plugin issue | Jun 21 12:29 |
| trmanco | it is | Jun 21 12:29 |
| schestowitz | about:config changes did not resolve the issue | Jun 21 12:29 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] #Chrome and !Firefox 3.5 Memory Usage: http://is.gd/18dyN | Jun 21 12:32 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] RT @josephtartakoff : Analysts: Kindle Book Price Hikes Are Coming, http://bit.ly/YH6Jz | Jun 21 12:47 | |
| schestowitz | Hehe. Tacone made the subject his name and the name the subject: "Macs are known to resume working for a while if you hit them strong enough (Apple censored all forum posts about this though)." http://www.linuxtoday.com/news_story.php3?ltsn=2009-06-20-001-35-OP-CY-0001 | Jun 21 12:57 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] SCO, Microsoft, Novell, and Other News from Utah < http://ping.fm/dPmN4 > | Jun 21 12:57 | |
| schestowitz | http://www.phonenews.com/palm-delays-sdk-release-dismisses-homebrew-developers-and-hackers-8229/ Palm Delays SDK Release, Dismisses Homebrew Developers and Hackers | Jun 21 13:07 |
| schestowitz | [repeats] Tacone made the subject his name and the name the subject: "Macs are known to resume working for a while if you hit them strong enough (Apple censored all forum posts about this though)." http://www.linuxtoday.com/news_story.php3?ltsn=2009-06-20-001-35-OP-CY-0001 | Jun 21 13:07 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.linuxtoday.com/news_story.php3?ltsn=2009-06-20-006-35-NW-MS-0005 "The US love democracy, hates dictatorship - right. But any corporate is a dictatorship." | Jun 21 13:10 |
| schestowitz | Stop Ragging on KDE4! < http://www.raiden.net/articles/stop_ragging_on_kde4/ > | Jun 21 13:15 |
| schestowitz | bbl | Jun 21 13:15 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] ACTA and eFascism: Winning this war will push the digital majority towards adulthood: http://bit.ly/15Vyj0 | Jun 21 13:22 | |
| Tempfile | public companies are more democratic | Jun 21 13:35 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] USPTO President recruiting unpaid examiners: http://eupat.ffii.org/07/03/uspto05/ | Jun 21 13:37 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] @schestowitz Open source heavy metal ... that's what Jono Bacon does, right? | Jun 21 13:42 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] Hartmut Pilch needs a blog as a present for his birthday next July: http://eupat.ffii.org/07/03/uspto05/ | Jun 21 14:17 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] Hartmut Pilch needs a blog as a present for his birthday: http://bit.ly/hvHSe | Jun 21 14:17 | |
| Tempfile | what corporate [sic] corporations have assumed absolute and sole power with military control ? | Jun 21 14:17 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] The Peer to Patent project aims to recruit unpaid examiners to legitimate software patents and business method patents: http://bit.ly/jouBC | Jun 21 15:27 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] The Peer to Patent project is sponsored by patent trolls such as Intellectual Ventures and Microsoft: http://bit.ly/jouBC | Jun 21 15:27 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] Patent Troll Intellectual Ventures now lobbying WIPO next 13 July in Geneva: http://bit.ly/18L97l | Jun 21 15:42 | |
| Tempfile | and Red Hat and IBM | Jun 21 15:42 |
| schestowitz | Must be that this IV is funding | Jun 21 15:44 |
| schestowitz | Fake 'studies'to justify strolls | Jun 21 15:45 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] RT @zoobab Patent Troll Intellectual Ventures now lobbying WIPO next 13 July in Geneva: http://bit.ly/18L97l | Jun 21 15:52 | |
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| Tempfile | as is GE, Pfizer, WHO, WTO, the UN, the republic of china, UK Government, and many more "guest speakers". | Jun 21 15:58 |
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| schestowitz | Been trolling here since the morning... | Jun 21 16:03 |
| fewa | yarp | Jun 21 16:04 |
| fewa | i had him ignored | Jun 21 16:04 |
| schestowitz | I think it's _Mutex_ | Jun 21 16:04 |
| schestowitz | Seems to be the same client | Jun 21 16:04 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Dell plays ball for Microsoft: http://ping.fm/ukSxB | Jun 21 16:07 | |
| ThistleWeb | why is it some people still feel compelled to try and create hassle in a room they know will kick their asses out when they are identified? | Jun 21 16:08 |
| ThistleWeb | you'd think they'd just decide "well, I burned my bridges there" whether intentional and being caught, or a misunderstanding. Every fresh attempt just confirms the initial suspicion | Jun 21 16:09 |
| schestowitz | ThistleWeb: because I never kicked | Jun 21 16:09 |
| schestowitz | But recently it went over the top | Jun 21 16:09 |
| schestowitz | So there's no choice. Same in site comments. Libel and abuse. | Jun 21 16:09 |
| ThistleWeb | I'm questioning HIS thought process in continually trying to get back in under different guises when he knows he's not welcome | Jun 21 16:10 |
| ThistleWeb | I don't see the point of continually knocking your head against a brick wall, trying to force your way into a place that don't want you and have made it clear | Jun 21 16:11 |
| schestowitz | IDG is promoting VIsta7 and I suspect the likes of W-E are organising this: http://www.pcworld.com/businesscenter/article/166726/windows_7_will_give_netbooks_the_magic_touch.html | Jun 21 16:11 |
| schestowitz | There's also lots of pro-'Google killer', with $100,000,000 spent on 'marketing' | Jun 21 16:11 |
| ThistleWeb | but then, I don't come onto the internet to fight | Jun 21 16:11 |
| schestowitz | ThistleWeb: it's the same style as Mutex and the name (Tempfile) is self explanatory | Jun 21 16:12 |
| schestowitz | More like TempAccount | Jun 21 16:12 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Headlines matching "Vista" in the past week: 3; "Windows 7" : 17. It's called vapourware when the promoted product does not exist. | Jun 21 16:12 | |
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| schestowitz | Funny logo: http://www.crunchgear.com/2009/06/17/xbox-live-still-a-little-funky-after-those-there-updates/ spells "evil" | Jun 21 16:25 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Microsoft took down XBox and Zune services for a whole day, it came back kaput (never mind when Google is down for just 2 hours and they ... | Jun 21 16:27 | |
| schestowitz | edmond Channel Partner: "Microsoft to Europe: No Browser for You!" | Jun 21 16:30 |
| schestowitz | No bias there from "Redmond Channel Partner.." nothing hostile in the headline at all. | Jun 21 16:30 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft can have its own fake 'press'... http://rcpmag.com/blogs/lee-pender/2009/06/microsoft-to-europe-no-browser-for-you.aspx | Jun 21 16:31 |
| ThistleWeb | given how Microsoft opperate, removing the browser completely should have been a forseeable move, that way they know it won't be sold without one, it'll just the OEMs who add it before sale, who will be strongarmed into "choosing" IE | Jun 21 16:34 |
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| ThistleWeb | I'd love to see them answer the charge that they claimed IE was unremovable | Jun 21 16:34 |
| ThistleWeb | yet now it can be removed | Jun 21 16:35 |
| Sailent | OEM's often put in different browsers anyway. | Jun 21 16:35 |
| ThistleWeb | those who stand up to Microsoft maybe | Jun 21 16:36 |
| ThistleWeb | or who are small enough not to be noticed | Jun 21 16:36 |
| ThistleWeb | in a way, it was a typical genius Microsoft move; anything to be seen to comply while nothing changes in reality | Jun 21 16:37 |
| Sailent | it was clear they were never going to ship with oppositions browsers. | Jun 21 16:38 |
| ThistleWeb | of course, this move lets them avoid that fate | Jun 21 16:39 |
| schestowitz | There is some ugly MS stuff in the news | Jun 21 16:39 |
| schestowitz | I'll share it now | Jun 21 16:39 |
| schestowitz | http://www.wsls.com/sls/news/state_regional/article/virginia_partners_with_microsoft_for_job_training/38622/ http://www.enewspf.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=8349:governor-quinn-microsoft-ceo-launch-public-private-partnership-&catid=1:latest-local-news&Itemid=88889791 | Jun 21 16:39 |
| schestowitz | http://newsinfo.iu.edu/news/page/normal/11157.html | Jun 21 16:40 |
| schestowitz | This is the American equivalent of EDGI. They are dumping proprietary software on young people in states that don't obey the Microsoft route. | Jun 21 16:40 |
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| schestowitz | Here is another MS plant in Fortune:http://money.cnn.com/2009/06/21/technology/best_advice_bill_gates.fortune/index.htm?source=yahoo_quote | Jun 21 16:42 |
| schestowitz | http://money.cnn.com/2009/06/21/technology/best_advice_bill_gates.fortune/index.htm?source=yahoo_quote | Jun 21 16:42 |
| schestowitz | Fotune also wries about Linux... like how it 'steals' from Microsoft | Jun 21 16:42 |
| schestowitz | The patents thing... "Microsoft Takes on the Free World" | Jun 21 16:42 |
| schestowitz | These magazines are sickening | Jun 21 16:43 |
| ThistleWeb | Linux DOES steal from Microsoft though; in marketshare | Jun 21 16:43 |
| schestowitz | Revisionism from the elite class to the wannabe welites | Jun 21 16:43 |
| schestowitz | ThistleWeb: steals.. its thunder | Jun 21 16:43 |
| schestowitz | And Microsoft still uses propaganda | Jun 21 16:43 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] AP, the biggest hater of fair use, writes the news about itself now? http://ping.fm/vpPUZ | Jun 21 16:52 | |
| ThistleWeb | yeah the AP seem to be shooting themselves in the foot | Jun 21 16:53 |
| schestowitz | (AP eyeing better deals with Internet heavyweights) | Jun 21 16:54 |
| schestowitz | I have some very good posts coming | Jun 21 16:55 |
| schestowitz | I'm going through some headlines at the moment. Microsoft goes MAD. | Jun 21 16:55 |
| ThistleWeb | CC pics are like kryptonite to AP for news pics | Jun 21 16:55 |
| schestowitz | Or Corbix | Jun 21 16:55 |
| schestowitz | Or what's with Getty? | Jun 21 16:55 |
| schestowitz | Who pays for images? | Jun 21 16:55 |
| schestowitz | Common | Jun 21 16:55 |
| ThistleWeb | if you do a blog about Obama and want a pic of him, a CC pic is free, or you can pay for a similar pic from AP | Jun 21 16:56 |
| schestowitz | Commons http://www.sxc.hu/browse.phtml <--BN gets images from here | Jun 21 16:56 |
| ThistleWeb | the bigger the CC library, the better for everyone | Jun 21 16:56 |
| schestowitz | Not everyone | Jun 21 16:56 |
| schestowitz | Not the wealthy minority | Jun 21 16:56 |
| ThistleWeb | yeah lol | Jun 21 16:56 |
| schestowitz | They had a privilege, a monopoly, a franchise | Jun 21 16:56 |
| schestowitz | Rivers dry up | Jun 21 16:56 |
| schestowitz | Tell this to the Grauniad, The Independent, etc. | Jun 21 16:57 |
| schestowitz | BN keeps climbing (above Groklaw) | Jun 21 16:57 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Sentimental blackmail, kickbacks for people who ditch rival browsers http://ping.fm/VMwyM | Jun 21 16:57 | |
| ThistleWeb | all of these wealthy businesses were built pre-internet where distribution was expensive and controlled by corporate gatekeepers | Jun 21 16:58 |
| ThistleWeb | the net has blitzed many previously profitable models | Jun 21 16:58 |
| schestowitz | Scarcity gone | Jun 21 16:59 |
| schestowitz | Look at airlines | Jun 21 16:59 |
| schestowitz | No demand and BANG the prices dived | Jun 21 16:59 |
| ThistleWeb | CEOs are also judged on their performance in making more profit than last year, to justify their fat cat saleries | Jun 21 16:59 |
| schestowitz | But fuel still has a high cost, so it's a bad analogy | Jun 21 17:00 |
| schestowitz | Music may be a better analogy | Jun 21 17:00 |
| schestowitz | DRM won't cut it | Jun 21 17:00 |
| schestowitz | I hope the RIAA really goes mad and scares people because they'll run to CC | Jun 21 17:00 |
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| schestowitz | And that's the point where MAFIAA portfolio gets neither fame nor money | Jun 21 17:00 |
| ThistleWeb | it helps when more and more DRM services are shut down | Jun 21 17:01 |
| schestowitz | ThistleWeb: yes, they need to beat goals | Jun 21 17:01 |
| schestowitz | So let them take loans like Novell | Jun 21 17:01 |
| schestowitz | Which fires people while giving Hovsepian a $6 million bonus | Jun 21 17:01 |
| schestowitz | I need to bang on that drum more. Novell's CEO is robbing the company. | Jun 21 17:01 |
| ThistleWeb | it's great anti-DRM angle "sure, go buy DRM media, I'm sure the service you buy from won't suffer the same fate as............" | Jun 21 17:01 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Nielsen: Microsoft's Search Queries Fell 14 Percent in May http://ping.fm/xv14K | Jun 21 17:02 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] NotN: Police fend off massive summer solstice denial-of-service attack on Stonehenge http://notnews.today.com/?p=536 | Jun 21 17:02 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] @schestowitz the difference: people notice and give a damn when Google is off the air | Jun 21 17:02 | |
| schestowitz | If you need music, get it here: | Jun 21 17:02 |
| schestowitz | http://torrentfreak.com/sxsw-2009-on-bittorrent-6-gb-of-free-music-090312/ | Jun 21 17:03 |
| ThistleWeb | people at the tops of large businesses tend to be close to retirement, so they've worked their way up in a different climate | Jun 21 17:03 |
| schestowitz | http://sites.google.com/site/sxsw2009torrent/ | Jun 21 17:03 |
| schestowitz | It's really good. 6GB of music | Jun 21 17:03 |
| ThistleWeb | they assume they can just ride out any threat if they hang on long enough | Jun 21 17:03 |
| ThistleWeb | without realising that times have changed | Jun 21 17:03 |
| ThistleWeb | and if they don't they're headed for collapse | Jun 21 17:03 |
| ThistleWeb | I will need to find good CC sources for images like "trains" or "police", "house of commons" etc for a project I'm doing | Jun 21 17:04 |
| schestowitz | Steve and Bill might do the same | Jun 21 17:04 |
| schestowitz | They have personal wealth, but their company borrows money | Jun 21 17:05 |
| ThistleWeb | I've not started looking yet, I'm still in the conceptualising stage | Jun 21 17:05 |
| schestowitz | And they have the corrupt Moody's recommend it | Jun 21 17:05 |
| schestowitz | I can give you links re: Moody's | Jun 21 17:05 |
| schestowitz | Financial analysts belong with PR and lobbyists -- in prison! | Jun 21 17:05 |
| schestowitz | They all do the same thing | Jun 21 17:05 |
| schestowitz | ThistleWeb: use the one I gave you | Jun 21 17:06 |
| schestowitz | No need for attribution even | Jun 21 17:06 |
| schestowitz | http://www.sxc.hu/browse.phtml | Jun 21 17:06 |
| schestowitz | I've used it since 2004 IIRC | Jun 21 17:06 |
| ThistleWeb | it's now bookmarked for later use, ty | Jun 21 17:07 |
| ThistleWeb | is everything on that site CC? | Jun 21 17:07 |
| schestowitz | Nope | Jun 21 17:07 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] RT @davidgerard NotN: Police fend off massive summer solstice denial-of-service attack on Stonehenge http://ping.fm/ayodP | Jun 21 17:07 | |
| schestowitz | Royalty-free | Jun 21 17:07 |
| ThistleWeb | k | Jun 21 17:10 |
| ThistleWeb | will look into it later | Jun 21 17:10 |
| schestowitz | It's like BSD AFAICT | Jun 21 17:11 |
| ThistleWeb | I skimmed the agreement, apparently you need to join, be approved, then agree to specific no-no's but other than that it's free | Jun 21 17:12 |
| schestowitz | What do you know about WSJ and MS? | Jun 21 17:12 |
| schestowitz | Other than Murdoch and MS-Mossberg I don't know enough | Jun 21 17:12 |
| ThistleWeb | nothing | Jun 21 17:12 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] "Google actually saw a 0.8 percent increase in its May over April numbers" http://ping.fm/mPEo7 | Jun 21 17:12 | |
| schestowitz | But they are in their pockets beyond that level, I'm sure | Jun 21 17:12 |
| schestowitz | Just need more evidence | Jun 21 17:12 |
| ThistleWeb | WSJ links I see on blog pages always tell be I can;t see them | Jun 21 17:13 |
| schestowitz | it was WAY too blatant with NYT, less so with WSJ | Jun 21 17:13 |
| schestowitz | And... NBC of course | Jun 21 17:13 |
| ThistleWeb | I know you can bypass tat with Google | Jun 21 17:13 |
| ThistleWeb | I've read a few articles on it using tricks like that, but if a site is like that, it's not worth the hassle | Jun 21 17:13 |
| schestowitz | WSJ has blogs now... http://mediamemo.allthingsd.com/20090617/twitter-search-lands-barely-on-the-map-001-share/?reflink=ATD_yahoo_ticker | Jun 21 17:13 |
| schestowitz | I don't like these blogs because of their portrayal of the village where Google can be "bad" | Jun 21 17:14 |
| schestowitz | ThistleWeb: BugmeNot? | Jun 21 17:14 |
| fewa | google is actually easier | Jun 21 17:14 |
| schestowitz | I don't mind their gateways in WSJ. I most just ignore it. They have nice prints though. | Jun 21 17:14 |
| ThistleWeb | yeah I heard abnout that ages ago and installed it too, but never got round to trying it | Jun 21 17:15 |
| schestowitz | It's not helpful if you share link | Jun 21 17:15 |
| schestowitz | It's not helpful if you share links because you don't want to read something you want to share but can't | Jun 21 17:15 |
| schestowitz | You wind up linking to it and telling a friend.. well, you can't read it, but trust me,. it's there. Some with sites like IAM where one must subscribe with personal details | Jun 21 17:16 |
| schestowitz | Once you get a free pass you forget about it and then recklessly link to it for people to find themselves unable to access it | Jun 21 17:16 |
| ThistleWeb | one tech blog I read had the comments section with the usual name & comment, only to find the next page was a full on questionaire before it'd allow you to post | Jun 21 17:16 |
| ThistleWeb | cant remember the name now | Jun 21 17:17 |
| ThistleWeb | one of the usual slashdot source sites | Jun 21 17:17 |
| schestowitz | http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124519122340820691.html?ru=yahoo#mod=yahoo_hs http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Best-Buy-sales-forecast-rb-15539916.html?x=1&.v=5 | Jun 21 17:17 |
| schestowitz | Can the death of Best Buy be in any way helpful to small businesses? | Jun 21 17:17 |
| schestowitz | Or just more power to Wal-mart or people selling apples in the streets like in 1931 | Jun 21 17:18 |
| ThistleWeb | I can't be bothered reading a blog post spread over 7 pages with a paragraph / advert / paragraph next page | Jun 21 17:22 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] It angers me to see the Microsoft press (e.g. NBC) playing "the Slog" against Google by creating FUD http://bit.ly/q9dBf | Jun 21 17:22 | |
| ThistleWeb | I wonder if all those collaberating with companies like Microsoft will be treated as collaberators when Microsoft are defunct | Jun 21 17:23 |
| schestowitz | "Just as the Justice Department is turning up the antitrust heat on Google (GOOG), the competition in web search seems to have gotten hotter than ever." | Jun 21 17:23 |
| schestowitz | So that's what keeps em busy | Jun 21 17:23 |
| ThistleWeb | that people will remember their behaviour and not do business with them | Jun 21 17:23 |
| schestowitz | The MS-controlled DOJ | Jun 21 17:24 |
| schestowitz | ThistleWeb: yes, Microsoft is an ecosystem, not a company | Jun 21 17:24 |
| schestowitz | Some say a "movement" | Jun 21 17:24 |
| schestowitz | So it's a problem | Jun 21 17:24 |
| schestowitz | Many Windows-'addicted' people as well | Jun 21 17:25 |
| ThistleWeb | in wartime, collaborators with an occupying army were often killed | Jun 21 17:25 |
| ThistleWeb | but some movements are useful, where would we be without a bowel movement? | Jun 21 17:26 |
| schestowitz | Well, it associates them with rebels | Jun 21 17:26 |
| schestowitz | The phrase movement is insulting in that regard | Jun 21 17:26 |
| schestowitz | Mono is another 'movement' | Jun 21 17:26 |
| schestowitz | The pro-.NET crowd | Jun 21 17:27 |
| schestowitz | Maybe MS bribes their headmaster/university to teach the kids C# | Jun 21 17:27 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] I'm looking at new items at the moment. All the MS-controlled/oriented publications attack Google with FUD. Amazing. | Jun 21 17:27 | |
| ThistleWeb | it is strange how people who have different opinions from the status quo elite are written about as rebels | Jun 21 17:27 |
| schestowitz | What's that stooge Cramer still doing out there? http://us.rd.yahoo.com/finance/news/rss/story/*http://cosmos.bcst.yahoo.com/up/finance?ch=633473&cl=13986198&lang= | Jun 21 17:28 |
| ThistleWeb | whether it's MPs who don't pledge their undying love to the current PM are said to be rebels, or plotting a coup | Jun 21 17:28 |
| schestowitz | These Wall Street people are phonies. Don't people know it after the market had collapsed and Cramer was pumping Bear Stearns before its collapse | Jun 21 17:28 |
| ThistleWeb | if they express an opinion different from high command they are "doing a u-turn" | Jun 21 17:29 |
| schestowitz | Yes, defenders of complacency | Jun 21 17:29 |
| schestowitz | But always going in the wrong direction... ACTA and all. | Jun 21 17:29 |
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| ThistleWeb | bbl | Jun 21 17:31 |
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| schestowitz | it's a reward/punishment system that ensures no change | Jun 21 17:31 |
| hexx | I just saw bing advertisment inside gmail! | Jun 21 17:31 |
| hexx | and then i found this article | Jun 21 17:31 |
| fewa | just shows that google is an open market | Jun 21 17:32 |
| hexx | http://blogoscoped.com/archive/2009-06-08-n36.html | Jun 21 17:32 |
| schestowitz | Which one? | Jun 21 17:32 |
| schestowitz | Oh | Jun 21 17:32 |
| schestowitz | hexx: Microsoft funds Google | Jun 21 17:32 |
| schestowitz | Very pathetic | Jun 21 17:32 |
| fewa | of course google will take it | Jun 21 17:32 |
| schestowitz | I think I saw some things like that before. MS advertises other products through AdSense. | Jun 21 17:33 |
| fewa | its really an advertisement for google | Jun 21 17:33 |
| fewa | shows that google must work | Jun 21 17:33 |
| hexx | yeah, its kinda ironic | Jun 21 17:33 |
| schestowitz | Google has its dangers | Jun 21 17:33 |
| fewa | it does | Jun 21 17:33 |
| schestowitz | But very different from antitrust | Jun 21 17:33 |
| hexx | btw, searching for knoppix on bing ~1 mil results, searching for ubuntu ~100k results | Jun 21 17:33 |
| fewa | but microsoft using it adds credibility | Jun 21 17:33 |
| schestowitz | This new one makes me sick: http://www.prwatch.org/node/8419 http://techdailydose.nationaljournal.com/2009/06/google-critic-paid-by-microsof.php | Jun 21 17:33 |
| hexx | they are totally sensoring their results | Jun 21 17:34 |
| fewa | type in "linux" and see the autosuggest | Jun 21 17:34 |
| schestowitz | Yes | Jun 21 17:34 |
| schestowitz | It has been shown | Jun 21 17:34 |
| schestowitz | They do so shamelessly | Jun 21 17:34 |
| schestowitz | Same with MSN/Live | Jun 21 17:34 |
| schestowitz | It's the same engine | Jun 21 17:34 |
| schestowitz | Broken, biased | Jun 21 17:34 |
| schestowitz | They'll PAY you just to use it | Jun 21 17:34 |
| hexx | nice, linux windows | Jun 21 17:34 |
| schestowitz | They need only tweak results about software | Jun 21 17:35 |
| schestowitz | No need to hand-steak the rest | Jun 21 17:35 |
| schestowitz | Like food, hardware, celebs | Jun 21 17:35 |
| schestowitz | Just what benefits Microsoft's bottom line | Jun 21 17:35 |
| schestowitz | It's like throttling for competitive reasons, only worse. | Jun 21 17:35 |
| hexx | a good spanking? | Jun 21 17:35 |
| hexx | anyway, g2g, cheers | Jun 21 17:36 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Murdock press shows utter contempt for the European Commission: http://ping.fm/onCTT | Jun 21 17:37 | |
| schestowitz | Google Mucks Up Outlook < http://www.reuters.com/article/bigMoney/idUS385447357820090617 > | Jun 21 17:42 |
| schestowitz | Google (Nasdaq:GOOG) And Microsoft (Nasdaq:MSFT): Turf Wars < http://www.istockanalyst.com/article/viewarticle/articleid/3275470 > | Jun 21 17:43 |
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| schestowitz | Turns out Groklaw has just 5000 pages indexed.. http://www.google.com/search?q=site:www.groklaw.net+&sourceid=navclient-ff&rlz=1B5GGGL_enGB315GB316&ie=UTF-8&hl=en | Jun 21 17:48 |
| fewa | but each page has content | Jun 21 17:49 |
| fewa | unlike most sites | Jun 21 17:49 |
| schestowitz | Yes, exhibits too | Jun 21 17:50 |
| schestowitz | http://www.google.com/search?q=site:boycottnovell.com+&sourceid=navclient-ff&rlz=1B5GGGL_enGB315GB316&ie=UTF-8&hl=en | Jun 21 17:51 |
| schestowitz | http://stocks.investopedia.com/stock-analysis/2009/Invest-With-The-Gates-Foundation-BRK.B-XLV-SGP-MCD-CNI-MSFT0617.aspx?partner=YahooSA "Bill Gates didn't become the world's richest person being lucky. " | Jun 21 17:53 |
| schestowitz | So true. He "became the world's richest person" by committing crimes, as evidence shows | Jun 21 17:53 |
| schestowitz | Revisionism in the business press is scary | Jun 21 17:53 |
| schestowitz | What will future generations be taught. That Rockefeller was hanged on a crucifix to suffer for the rest of us? | Jun 21 17:54 |
| schestowitz | Kneale: Obama's 'Ridiculous' Promise < http://www.cnbc.com/id/31374302/site/14081545?__source=yahoo|headline|quote|text|&par=yahoo > | Jun 21 17:59 |
| schestowitz | David Walker.. | Jun 21 17:59 |
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| tacone | omg. | Jun 21 18:11 |
| tacone | I don't like to think bad but sometimes the world just forces me. | Jun 21 18:12 |
| schestowitz | ? | Jun 21 18:13 |
| tacone | nothing, i'll post something about that this evening. | Jun 21 18:13 |
| tacone | then everybody will be able to think bad in my place :) | Jun 21 18:14 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[omar_s_hafez] Mono is not accepted by the majority: http://bit.ly/V1RrW | Jun 21 18:37 | |
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| geodude | hey guys | Jun 21 18:48 |
| geodude | is debian going mono | Jun 21 18:48 |
| schestowitz | Hey | Jun 21 18:49 |
| schestowitz | Not yet, but it seems likely to add tomboy | Jun 21 18:49 |
| geodude | ok thanks i wanted to know | Jun 21 18:50 |
| schestowitz | I have some problems with IRC+Firefox | Jun 21 18:51 |
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| schestowitz | But it seems to be temporary. Can anyone else check to see if when loding single pages in BN the page puts highlight on the login and thus scrolls down? | Jun 21 18:51 |
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| tacone | i'm about to post yet another rant :( | Jun 21 18:56 |
| tacone | schestowitz: http://www.stefanoforenza.com/hands-off-the-gimp/ | Jun 21 18:57 |
| schestowitz | I think you told us you would | Jun 21 18:58 |
| schestowitz | Back to paint.exe days | Jun 21 18:58 |
| schestowitz | What's next? OOo out for Mono space? | Jun 21 18:58 |
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| schestowitz | Thanks. I'll write about the GIMP tomorrow | Jun 21 19:00 |
| schestowitz | ThistleWeb: just before you left I wrote: | Jun 21 19:00 |
| schestowitz | it's a reward/punishment system that ensures no change | Jun 21 19:00 |
| schestowitz | The system that secures its status quo | Jun 21 19:00 |
| ThistleWeb | yep | Jun 21 19:00 |
| ThistleWeb | based on loyalty | Jun 21 19:00 |
| schestowitz | I heard the same about USPTO | Jun 21 19:00 |
| schestowitz | From those who lobby for sanity | Jun 21 19:00 |
| tacone | schestowitz: i wrote you somewhere else. | Jun 21 19:01 |
| schestowitz | No sw pats | Jun 21 19:01 |
| schestowitz | They bribe those who say patents==innovation | Jun 21 19:01 |
| schestowitz | And abuse those who oppose it | Jun 21 19:01 |
| ThistleWeb | we badly need balance | Jun 21 19:01 |
| schestowitz | Like the guardian of status quo | Jun 21 19:01 |
| ThistleWeb | is the guardian of status quo not known as a roadie? | Jun 21 19:02 |
| ThistleWeb | or a bouncer even | Jun 21 19:03 |
| ThistleWeb | which is different from the guardian of the status quo | Jun 21 19:03 |
| ThistleWeb | can we really be surprised at what we have when out govt ministers are all career politicians with legal backgrounds who are given the job on loyalty to the current boss rather than their ability to do the job or have a passion / background for the subject? | Jun 21 19:05 |
| trmanco | wtf | Jun 21 19:05 |
| trmanco | Yahoo! is getting more Twitter a-like | Jun 21 19:05 |
| tacone | ? | Jun 21 19:05 |
| trmanco | New! We've redesigned so you can get to the good stuff first! | Jun 21 19:05 |
| trmanco | Now see emails and Updates from friends and family, right here. | Jun 21 19:05 |
| tacone | it's the google wave fashion. | Jun 21 19:06 |
| schestowitz | YEah. | Jun 21 19:06 |
| trmanco | and then is has an input area where can update you're status | Jun 21 19:06 |
| schestowitz | Cheap words | Jun 21 19:06 |
| schestowitz | Like txting culture | Jun 21 19:06 |
| ThistleWeb | ya can't blame them, they're so far behind google all they can do is wave to be seen | Jun 21 19:06 |
| schestowitz | me gta luv it | Jun 21 19:06 |
| trmanco | yeah | Jun 21 19:06 |
| schestowitz | Brain dosage limited to 20 words quotient | Jun 21 19:06 |
| trmanco | more wave a like | Jun 21 19:07 |
| trmanco | I still am waiting for a Wave invite | Jun 21 19:07 |
| tacone | internet companies need a good way to get the users off those old gui crappy mail clients | Jun 21 19:07 |
| tacone | as they don't show adsense. | Jun 21 19:07 |
| schestowitz | They spy though | Jun 21 19:07 |
| ThistleWeb | meanwhile Microsoft are like the guy in the back seat of the special bus waving at everyone with a big smile on his face thinkin' he's going somewhere the peeps outside have never been | Jun 21 19:08 |
| ThistleWeb | licking the windows | Jun 21 19:08 |
| trmanco | New! We've redesigned so you can get to the good stuff first! | Jun 21 19:09 |
| trmanco | Now see emails and Updates from friends and family, right here. | Jun 21 19:09 |
| trmanco | crap | Jun 21 19:09 |
| trmanco | Connecting with friends and family allows you to: | Jun 21 19:09 |
| trmanco | * See new emails from Connections first, right here | Jun 21 19:09 |
| trmanco | * Easily view emails from your Connections only. No more clutter! | Jun 21 19:09 |
| trmanco | * Keep up with their online Updates automatically. | Jun 21 19:09 |
| trmanco | they call it "Connections" | Jun 21 19:09 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft calls them "conspirators" :-) | Jun 21 19:10 |
| ThistleWeb | yahoo, aol and msn were always cluttered portals because nobody thought any different, until Google came along with a simple interface | Jun 21 19:10 |
| *schestowitz never used gmail | Jun 21 19:10 | |
| trmanco | yeah | Jun 21 19:10 |
| trmanco | It's a nice app | Jun 21 19:11 |
| *tacone uses a whole lot of google products | Jun 21 19:11 | |
| trmanco | javascript heavy one too | Jun 21 19:11 |
| trmanco | heck, they are all javascript heavy | Jun 21 19:11 |
| "Connections" are only needed by people who don't have a good email client. | Jun 21 19:11 | |
| schestowitz | Watchdog Publishes Missing White House E-Mails http://www.crn.com/government/218000270;jsessionid=SW4TGAS1CGN34QSNDLPSKHSCJUNN2JVN | Jun 21 19:11 |
| trmanco | http://overview.mail.yahoo.com/whatsnew/smarterinbox | Jun 21 19:11 |
| Reasonable email clients have filters, so clutter is automatically removed and the things you care about automatically go where they should. | Jun 21 19:12 | |
| schestowitz | Yahoo! won't appeal to many dudes with purple | Jun 21 19:12 |
| schestowitz | Wall Street posts losing week < http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/118e8ef0-5cd1-11de-9d42-00144feabdc0.html?referrer_id=yahoofinance&ft_ref=yahoo1&segid=03058 > | Jun 21 19:12 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] Yahoo! tried to mimic Google Wave with it's own "Connections" | Jun 21 19:12 | |
| schestowitz | trmanco: it's not mimicking | Jun 21 19:12 |
| schestowitz | Google did not invest it | Jun 21 19:13 |
| schestowitz | Just embracing a piece of s/w or idea and extending it | Jun 21 19:13 |
| trmanco | well, that was my first impression | Jun 21 19:13 |
| trmanco | they didn't extend anything | Jun 21 19:13 |
| schestowitz | But how to put it...? | Jun 21 19:13 |
| schestowitz | mimic... | Jun 21 19:13 |
| schestowitz | COpy | Jun 21 19:13 |
| schestowitz | Inspire...? | Jun 21 19:13 |
| schestowitz | No word I can think of. | Jun 21 19:13 |
| schestowitz | "Maybe independent develops something that looks similar" | Jun 21 19:13 |
| trmanco | yeah | Jun 21 19:14 |
| schestowitz | I guess any comparison to something prior will imply inspiration | Jun 21 19:14 |
| trmanco | inspired | Jun 21 19:14 |
| schestowitz | But it ain't | Jun 21 19:14 |
| schestowitz | It doesn't have to | Jun 21 19:14 |
| ThistleWeb | there's very little in this world that's totally new, in any walk of life everything is a new take or rethink on something else | Jun 21 19:14 |
| schestowitz | Google copies Twitter copies blogs copies E-mail copies pagers, etc. | Jun 21 19:15 |
| ThistleWeb | so it's bizarre that patents have gained traction at all | Jun 21 19:15 |
| schestowitz | Why? | Jun 21 19:15 |
| schestowitz | People love monopolies | Jun 21 19:15 |
| schestowitz | "Good for me, bad for you" | Jun 21 19:15 |
| schestowitz | But.. | Jun 21 19:15 |
| schestowitz | As RMS pointed out in his talks: | Jun 21 19:15 |
| schestowitz | People think about benefit to self, not harm, | Jun 21 19:15 |
| ThistleWeb | I mean from the patents office POV | Jun 21 19:15 |
| schestowitz | They think how dun it is to have patents and demand money | Jun 21 19:15 |
| ThistleWeb | that they'd be allowed to grow | Jun 21 19:15 |
| schestowitz | But it's reciprocal in a negative way | Jun 21 19:16 |
| schestowitz | For each 10 people whom you charge you have 10 more suing you | Jun 21 19:16 |
| trmanco | Google's wave is going to be "open source" | Jun 21 19:16 |
| trmanco | not sure what license though | Jun 21 19:16 |
| ThistleWeb | well, it keeps the lawyers employed | Jun 21 19:16 |
| schestowitz | So only the meta-industries (like lawyers) win from this new layer of complexity | Jun 21 19:16 |
| schestowitz | Or those who exploit the USPTO-enabled scam manage to squeeze out more than they lose | Jun 21 19:16 |
| ThistleWeb | and the beurocrats to implement it | Jun 21 19:16 |
| schestowitz | The lawyers movement | Jun 21 19:17 |
| schestowitz | The lawyers cartel | Jun 21 19:17 |
| schestowitz | Good luck breaking down their fortresses | Jun 21 19:17 |
| schestowitz | they went to college learning how to exploit this artificial, man-made system to make revenie | Jun 21 19:17 |
| schestowitz | *nue | Jun 21 19:17 |
| ThistleWeb | indeedy | Jun 21 19:17 |
| schestowitz | WS is down sharply again | Jun 21 19:18 |
| schestowitz | Did the public looting run out so fast | Jun 21 19:18 |
| tacone | offlining soon. | Jun 21 19:18 |
| schestowitz | ? | Jun 21 19:18 |
| schestowitz | $700,000,000,000 in public looting lasting just months? | Jun 21 19:18 |
| ThistleWeb | even that ammount only buys so many vacation homes and luxury yaghts | Jun 21 19:19 |
| schestowitz | Some old news is being bumped at Google (from Aussie): Yahoo set to reject Microsoft's offer < http://www.smh.com.au/technology/biz-tech/yahoo-set-to-reject-microsofts-offer-20090618-ck59.html > | Jun 21 19:21 |
| schestowitz | Yahoo sees up to $27 million charges for job cuts http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/06/19/AR2009061902709.html. | Jun 21 19:22 |
| schestowitz | MS PR puppet says "Yahoo-Microsoft deal less likely, analyst says" | Jun 21 19:22 |
| ThistleWeb | I expected Bartz to come in and be a M$ puppet, but she seems not to be, unless she's playing hard to get for a better price | Jun 21 19:22 |
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| ThistleWeb | schestowitz: do you know anything about the YPL licence in regards to being forked to save a project from being shut down? | Jun 21 19:39 |
| schestowitz | ThistleWeb: she was there for Microsoft | Jun 21 19:40 |
| schestowitz | Also inviting them to buy for a high price | Jun 21 19:40 |
| schestowitz | She's a former MS partner (Authodesk) | Jun 21 19:40 |
| ThistleWeb | I know she was M$ freindly | Jun 21 19:40 |
| schestowitz | YPL? | Jun 21 19:41 |
| schestowitz | Yahoo? | Jun 21 19:41 |
| ThistleWeb | thats why I expected her to just roll over | Jun 21 19:41 |
| ThistleWeb | yes | Jun 21 19:41 |
| schestowitz | I don't know it | Jun 21 19:41 |
| ThistleWeb | I'm curious about Zimbra | Jun 21 19:41 |
| schestowitz | Roll over? | Jun 21 19:41 |
| schestowitz | Well, the belly gets softer with age :-) | Jun 21 19:41 |
| schestowitz | Zimbra is not in a position to be forked | Jun 21 19:41 |
| ThistleWeb | I reckon Microsoft will try to buy parts of Yahoo, rather than the whole thing, and Zimbra will be a high value target so they can close it down | Jun 21 19:41 |
| schestowitz | But MS won't buy the whole bundle | Jun 21 19:42 |
| schestowitz | MS is parctically broke | Jun 21 19:42 |
| schestowitz | But it's hiding it | Jun 21 19:42 |
| schestowitz | Not the people, the company | Jun 21 19:42 |
| ThistleWeb | if Zimbra can't be forked and is bought, are there any other FOSS exchange competitors? | Jun 21 19:43 |
| ThistleWeb | thats the only one I know of | Jun 21 19:44 |
| tacone | http://www.itwire.com/content/view/25799/1231/ ? | Jun 21 19:47 |
| schestowitz | Mono Shields | Jun 21 19:49 |
| schestowitz | I call them "Mono guards" | Jun 21 19:49 |
| schestowitz | http://boycottnovell.com/2008/08/21/mono-guard-alternatealias/ | Jun 21 19:50 |
| schestowitz | It would be less surprising that this happens if Ubuntu has MS employees in it | Jun 21 19:50 |
| schestowitz | THose whose past motivates them to boost c# | Jun 21 19:50 |
| schestowitz | Best of both worlds... past employers as well | Jun 21 19:50 |
| ThistleWeb | I wonder who's gonna be the first to break the identity of the Stig online | Jun 21 19:55 |
| *ThistleWeb thinks there's loads of people with Twitter open, hands on keyboards poised to strike when it's revealed | Jun 21 19:56 | |
| schestowitz | Stig? | Jun 21 19:57 |
| ThistleWeb | Top Gear | Jun 21 19:57 |
| schestowitz | Joseph Stig :-) | Jun 21 19:57 |
| ThistleWeb | he's the test driver who's always hidden under his helmet | Jun 21 19:57 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Fedora 11 Provides Glimpse of Future for Red Hat Enterprise Linux < http://ping.fm/U2ilt > | Jun 21 19:57 | |
| ThistleWeb | apparently they're gonna reveal his identiy on tonights show | Jun 21 19:57 |
| ThistleWeb | which I assume has started on BBC2 | Jun 21 19:58 |
| ThistleWeb | though it'll be the finale just before 9 | Jun 21 19:58 |
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| wallclimb | Roy, I just stopped in to let you know that I sent you an email with the plex0411 as text | Jun 21 20:01 |
| ThistleWeb | he's actually Stig the 2nd after the first one was sacked for outing himself in his autobiography | Jun 21 20:01 |
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| schestowitz | Hi, wallclimb | Jun 21 20:04 |
| schestowitz | Let me check | Jun 21 20:04 |
| schestowitz | I have some very good one coming :-D | Jun 21 20:04 |
| wallclimb | Hi! | Jun 21 20:04 |
| schestowitz | Ah! Got it! | Jun 21 20:05 |
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| schestowitz | There's one you really want to see. | Jun 21 20:05 |
| schestowitz | ttp://boycottnovell.com/comes-vs-microsoft/gates-exhibits/PX08256.pdf | Jun 21 20:05 |
| schestowitz | Billg: "Our most potent Operating System competitor is Linux and the phenomena around Open Source and free software. The same phenomena fuels competitors to all of our products. The ease of picking up Linux to learn it or to modify some piece of it is very attractive. The academic community, start up companies, foreign governments and many other constituencies are putting their best work into Linux." | Jun 21 20:06 |
| wallclimb | wow, billg actually said that? | Jun 21 20:09 |
| schestowitz | There's more where it came from | Jun 21 20:09 |
| schestowitz | We'll do a good index | Jun 21 20:10 |
| schestowitz | [of things he said] | Jun 21 20:10 |
| wallclimb | i know he didn't really want anyone outside of microsoft to read it | Jun 21 20:10 |
| schestowitz | They are losing | Jun 21 20:10 |
| schestowitz | Like I told cday, I hope we get to do all this before MS completely drops to oblivion and out of relevance | Jun 21 20:11 |
| schestowitz | I said this /before/ MS went into debt | Jun 21 20:11 |
| schestowitz | wallclimb: we have a lot of trolling and smears | Jun 21 20:11 |
| schestowitz | Fake things to cause a riot | Jun 21 20:11 |
| schestowitz | This means we're on target | Jun 21 20:11 |
| schestowitz | I suppose you saw the posts about Novel's finance this week | Jun 21 20:12 |
| schestowitz | It drives them mad | Jun 21 20:12 |
| schestowitz | We cleaned up IRC... trolls banned | Jun 21 20:12 |
| schestowitz | So it's less noisy now | Jun 21 20:12 |
| wallclimb | i like that it's less noisy | Jun 21 20:13 |
| schestowitz | Easier for everyone | Jun 21 20:14 |
| schestowitz | They multiply the damage when flooding channels | Jun 21 20:14 |
| wallclimb | i don't think we need to worry about getting everything done before ms bellys up | Jun 21 20:15 |
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| wallclimb | and if they did belly up tomorrow, then we'd have time before all the law suits hit 'em | Jun 21 20:16 |
| schestowitz | Well, it has been there for decades | Jun 21 20:16 |
| schestowitz | That's why I let it rest until summer | Jun 21 20:16 |
| schestowitz | OSI/Red Hat makes use of this archive | Jun 21 20:17 |
| schestowitz | They link to the exhibits | Jun 21 20:17 |
| schestowitz | That's why folks try to smear the site | Jun 21 20:17 |
| schestowitz | And the closer we get the guns, the louder they scream (trolls) | Jun 21 20:17 |
| wallclimb | i always hope others will read this stuff. i couldn't help but wonder how Sun feels when these documents are | Jun 21 20:18 |
| wallclimb | exposed to the world. | Jun 21 20:18 |
| schestowitz | Most people won't learn | Jun 21 20:18 |
| schestowitz | They'll read Forbes and Fortune | Jun 21 20:18 |
| ThistleWeb | usually peeps who hide behind NDA's have something they know some peeps wouldn't approve of if it were public | Jun 21 20:19 |
| wallclimb | the 0411 exhibit really shows ms's intentions to rip Sun to pieces | Jun 21 20:19 |
| schestowitz | Today: http://money.cnn.com/2009/06/21/technology/best_advice_bill_gates.fortune/index.htm?source=yahoo_quote | Jun 21 20:19 |
| schestowitz | Awwwwwwwww.... :-) | Jun 21 20:19 |
| schestowitz | What a cute couple, eh? | Jun 21 20:19 |
| wallclimb | eww! | Jun 21 20:19 |
| ThistleWeb | if the agreements were all conducted legally and fairly, it's contents wouldn't need an NDA | Jun 21 20:19 |
| schestowitz | wallclimb: no "eww" | Jun 21 20:20 |
| schestowitz | The press says we must love them | Jun 21 20:20 |
| schestowitz | Trust Fortune | Jun 21 20:21 |
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| codpeace | lo | Jun 21 20:21 |
| schestowitz | It's the magazine which had the breaking story about nasty Linux "pirates" stealing 200+ MS patents | Jun 21 20:21 |
| *codpeace has quit (Client Quit) | Jun 21 20:21 | |
| schestowitz | Fortune is WELL in the Microsoft pockets | Jun 21 20:21 |
| wallclimb | well, it's been fun, but it's a quiet, sunny sunday and the birds are singing, and i need a nap | Jun 21 20:21 |
| schestowitz | Thanks a million! | Jun 21 20:21 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Mozilla Lobbies to Support Ogg, Opera Pushes Google to Ogg http://ping.fm/tc8NE http://ping.fm/vQYgT | Jun 21 20:22 | |
| wallclimb | you're welcome, looking forward to the next one! | Jun 21 20:22 |
| wallclimb | bye! | Jun 21 20:23 |
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| ThistleWeb | bbl | Jun 21 20:26 |
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| _Goblin | interesting set of posts Roy! | Jun 21 20:27 |
| schestowitz | I have blasts tomorrow | Jun 21 20:27 |
| schestowitz | Maybe tonight, if I'm not too tired | Jun 21 20:27 |
| schestowitz | The fun will come in July with more Comes | Jun 21 20:27 |
| _Goblin | I'm off monday! Some interesting reading! | Jun 21 20:27 |
| schestowitz | Off? Bank holiday? Naaa.. | Jun 21 20:28 |
| _Goblin | RD | Jun 21 20:28 |
| _Goblin | worked today...so Ive done a 7 day run | Jun 21 20:29 |
| _Goblin | what happened to Lusers? | Jun 21 20:30 |
| schestowitz | Which one/s? | Jun 21 20:31 |
| schestowitz | Mutex nym? | Jun 21 20:31 |
| _Goblin | I'm not sure...the one from last night... | Jun 21 20:32 |
| _Goblin | he/she was interesting.... | Jun 21 20:32 |
| MinceR | he was _Mutex_, ban-evading. | Jun 21 20:32 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Lucid Imagination scares up funds for open-source search software http://ping.fm/XsmvU | Jun 21 20:32 | |
| _Goblin | a strange increase in that sort of behaviour here...I wonder what they are worried about? | Jun 21 20:32 |
| _Goblin | and Ive also noticed that whenever MONO is mentioned DaemonFX joins the channel.. | Jun 21 20:33 |
| _Goblin | lets put that to the test | Jun 21 20:33 |
| _Goblin | mono mono mono | Jun 21 20:33 |
| MinceR | perhaps the linsux guys have decided to swarm us or something. | Jun 21 20:34 |
| schestowitz | _Goblin: he came back as "TempFile | Jun 21 20:34 |
| MinceR | hopefully he won't be able to join the channel anymore. | Jun 21 20:34 |
| schestowitz | They uibbit a lot | Jun 21 20:34 |
| schestowitz | *m | Jun 21 20:34 |
| _Goblin | I was thinking that maybe one of the users here is a bot and it scans for trigger words... | Jun 21 20:34 |
| schestowitz | No, that's twitter users | Jun 21 20:34 |
| schestowitz | Twitter is a marketing maze | Jun 21 20:34 |
| schestowitz | All sorts of bot | Jun 21 20:34 |
| schestowitz | Scary | Jun 21 20:34 |
| schestowitz | It's on its way down though | Jun 21 20:35 |
| schestowitz | Like Digg | Jun 21 20:35 |
| _Goblin | Its a shame.... | Jun 21 20:35 |
| I am not scary, lol | Jun 21 20:35 | |
| schestowitz | They grow and then they get invaded | Jun 21 20:35 |
| schestowitz | Like Slashdot | Jun 21 20:35 |
| MinceR | twitter: lol | Jun 21 20:35 |
| schestowitz | twitter gets driven out of /, | Jun 21 20:35 |
| schestowitz | By marketing people | Jun 21 20:35 |
| I'll be back | Jun 21 20:35 | |
| schestowitz | They want to reign a kingdom of eyeballs | Jun 21 20:35 |
| MinceR | well, afaik mibbit is banned on freenode now | Jun 21 20:35 |
| they lose focus with so many fronts | Jun 21 20:35 | |
| schestowitz | So the eyeballs go away when they realise what's going on | Jun 21 20:35 |
| schestowitz | PR --- it DESTORYS everything | Jun 21 20:36 |
| schestowitz | Like a path of blood-sucking leeches | Jun 21 20:36 |
| schestowitz | Taking communities, turning them to $$$$$$4 | Jun 21 20:36 |
| schestowitz | The Waggener scum followed through to twitter | Jun 21 20:36 |
| schestowitz | They invaded that too | Jun 21 20:36 |
| Slashdot comments have been destroyed for about five years. Now they attack the stories. No money is actually made, it is all destruction. | Jun 21 20:37 | |
| schestowitz | Suddenly they realised they put the shils in the wrong place | Jun 21 20:37 |
| schestowitz | I keep track of MS shilling inTwitter now | Jun 21 20:37 |
| _Goblin | Ive found twitterfall is very good for that. | Jun 21 20:37 |
| The attacks are mean as well. | Jun 21 20:37 | |
| Like the big piles of horse shit. | Jun 21 20:37 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Governments Make More Adoptions of Free Software http://ping.fm/ysHQq | Jun 21 20:37 | |
| Joe Wilcox also has a brown scheme for Twitter | Jun 21 20:38 | |
| schestowitz | They force you to escape accounts | Jun 21 20:38 |
| schestowitz | I can imagine | Jun 21 20:38 |
| schestowitz | And then use that to smear you | Jun 21 20:38 |
| schestowitz | Wilcox? | Jun 21 20:38 |
| _Goblin | Was I wrong about Mr Wilcox....bigtime. | Jun 21 20:38 |
| schestowitz | What about him? | Jun 21 20:38 |
| He follows the horse shit dude. | Jun 21 20:38 | |
| of vice versa | Jun 21 20:38 | |
| _Goblin | You know Roy, I disagreed originally with your assesment of Mr Wilcox...I thought you were wrong...Turns out you had his card from day one....I wont make that mistake again. | Jun 21 20:39 |
| schestowitz | What's he up to? | Jun 21 20:50 |
| schestowitz | I miss that | Jun 21 20:50 |
| schestowitz | But he's with MS | Jun 21 20:50 |
| schestowitz | He was in Jupiter before | Jun 21 20:50 |
| schestowitz | Doing the MS fanboyism with "analyst" hat | Jun 21 20:50 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] USPTO Operates a Scam for Cheap Labour?http://ping.fm/RjlZy | Jun 21 20:52 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] http://ping.fm/jdlVS Microsoft Products Still at Risk of Dying at High Pace | Jun 21 20:57 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Forrester, Which Microsoft Paid to Attack Linux, Does it Again? http://ping.fm/vXfwa | Jun 21 20:57 | |
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| I played with KDE 4.2 in Debian Testing yesterday. There's a lot that's impressive and a few steps backwards. | Jun 21 21:20 | |
| _Goblin | Ive been playing with Zenwalk 6 some more...really great distro. | Jun 21 21:20 |
| Graphics performance was amazing, given my pathetic hardware - unaccelerated 2D 512 MB RAM on P4. | Jun 21 21:21 | |
| Testing is never a good place to be soon after a stable release. | Jun 21 21:22 | |
| It is as it was described, a great subsystem that has not been fully exploited. | Jun 21 21:22 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] ODF Gains the Upper Hand Despite Microsoft Bribes, Smears, FUD http://ping.fm/vxtvq | Jun 21 21:22 | |
| Normal users and people who need to get work done are better off with Lenny right now. | Jun 21 21:23 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[tacone] Should #gimp be stripped from !ubuntu ? http://is.gd/18A9c | Jun 21 21:27 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] DW/LJ: Happy man. http://reddragdiva.dreamwidth.org/8696.html http://reddragdiva.livejournal.com/522462.html | Jun 21 21:27 | |
| I'm not impressed by the ODF try before you buy website. | Jun 21 21:28 | |
| It will be used as a delaying and FUD tactic by M$. They can say, "You really ought to try this before committing. Look, it fails!" Where they have no hope of success themselves. | Jun 21 21:29 | |
| The fact of the matter is that real interoperability between application suits will happen with ODF but they have never happened with M$ Office. | Jun 21 21:30 | |
| M$ Office usually fails between computers, printers and versions - none of which ever match. | Jun 21 21:31 | |
| With ODF, you know that everyone can get a free editing program instead of shelling out $400. This is better than M$ Office even if ODF has interoperability problems like M$ Office does. | Jun 21 21:33 | |
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| schestowitz | few people do complex documents | Jun 21 21:36 |
| schestowitz | Most people may read some | Jun 21 21:36 |
| schestowitz | A few more will write a letter | Jun 21 21:36 |
| schestowitz | Some might do a presentation for non-professional purposes | Jun 21 21:36 |
| schestowitz | Not many people even work in an office | Jun 21 21:36 |
| schestowitz | I'll do some daily links now, then some posts until I get sleept | Jun 21 21:37 |
| schestowitz | *py | Jun 21 21:37 |
| trmanco | http://groups.google.com/group/chromium-dev/browse_thread/thread/f97adb063b97a81 | Jun 21 21:41 |
| trmanco | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue147 | Jun 21 21:45 |
| trmanco | https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-discuss/2009-June/008837.html | Jun 21 21:48 |
| LOL, trmanco, on browser memory usage, see comment down the line "the author is basically right. Since he's running on Vista ..." can anything from Vista be trusted at all? More importantly, who cares? | Jun 21 21:48 | |
| trmanco | well, a lot a people care, I actually care and it does provide a good measurement even though it was made on vista | Jun 21 21:50 |
| trmanco | I could actually try to port the c# script into something more Linux friendly and try it out | Jun 21 21:50 |
| trmanco | I've got Chrome and Firefox | Jun 21 21:50 |
| That would be interesting. | Jun 21 21:51 | |
| but why is it a C# script? | Jun 21 21:51 | |
| these Windows people.... | Jun 21 21:51 | |
| trmanco | yeah, I guess the link using Visual Studio | Jun 21 21:53 |
| trmanco | like* | Jun 21 21:53 |
| trmanco | they* | Jun 21 21:53 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft has API bias | Jun 21 21:53 |
| schestowitz | Be careful there | Jun 21 21:53 |
| trmanco | even though it takes a while to compile a tiny script like that | Jun 21 21:53 |
| schestowitz | And dirty history around it | Jun 21 21:54 |
| schestowitz | E.g. vs Netscape | Jun 21 21:54 |
| so, the whole thing is a way of FUDing competitors? That would be like M$. | Jun 21 21:54 | |
| trmanco | IE wasn't even measured | Jun 21 21:55 |
| Find tests that only IE can do and make a suite to show failure of competitors. IE test is next step. | Jun 21 21:55 | |
| trmanco | seems like the dude who made the script couldn't find a way to just open the links into one browser | Jun 21 21:55 |
| Oh well. Thanks for the link. I'm more interested in freedom than performance, though I've been getting both lately. Konq 3.5 does well with everything but annoying M$ centric sites. | Jun 21 21:56 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] Stupid Microsoft Tricks: error opening .ZIP over SMB: http://bit.ly/VoHyj ah yeah, thanks for that Windows. | Jun 21 21:57 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[tacone] @trmanco: i just claim that f-spot editing features are far to be called 'editing'. it has implicit saving (!).So, how to change img format? | Jun 21 21:57 | |
| tacone | aahahahahah i checked up f-spot | Jun 21 21:57 |
| tacone | it has implicit saving. | Jun 21 21:57 |
| tacone | a good way to mess pictures. | Jun 21 21:58 |
| trmanco | what is that? | Jun 21 21:58 |
| tacone | no way to convert between formats. | Jun 21 21:58 |
| tacone | every change you do with fspot is automatically saved. | Jun 21 21:58 |
| tacone | not that you can change much, despite the claims of that ex-ms employee | Jun 21 21:58 |
| trmanco | I see | Jun 21 21:59 |
| nice link to removing Fspot from Ubuntu live CD. I have to agree that Language support is more important for Ubuntu than FSpot. | Jun 21 21:59 | |
| trmanco | that's not really my problem | Jun 21 22:00 |
| trmanco | my problem is that someone also proposed to remove GIMP from the livecd | Jun 21 22:00 |
| trmanco | "uh, save 20/25 megs just by removing gimp and docs" | Jun 21 22:01 |
| trmanco | I say "Remove the hole mono stack and save up to 50+ MB on the live cd" | Jun 21 22:01 |
| trmanco | again, whole* | Jun 21 22:01 |
| trmanco | :-) | Jun 21 22:01 |
| tacone | that's idiotic. | Jun 21 22:02 |
| tacone | how can you ever think that f-spot is a proper replacement for gimp ? | Jun 21 22:02 |
| tacone | they're not even far related. | Jun 21 22:02 |
| tacone | if that guy proposed to replace gimp with a paint.net that would be more serious. | Jun 21 22:02 |
| trmanco | but still | Jun 21 22:04 |
| trmanco | paint.net? | Jun 21 22:04 |
| trmanco | I would prefer tuxpaint :-P | Jun 21 22:04 |
| tacone | someone please explain me how mono is cross-platform | Jun 21 22:05 |
| tacone | any windows application use winforms. | Jun 21 22:05 |
| tacone | any linux app uses gtk# | Jun 21 22:05 |
| tacone | wtf ? | Jun 21 22:05 |
| trmanco | yeah, install winforms for linux | Jun 21 22:06 |
| trmanco | and then pay for it too | Jun 21 22:06 |
| tacone | wow. they still need a port | Jun 21 22:06 |
| tacone | like this http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2007/May-15-1.html | Jun 21 22:06 |
| tacone | it's from 2007, but... how comes banshee and tomboy only recently gained a windows version ? | Jun 21 22:07 |
| tacone | what about the other apps ? | Jun 21 22:07 |
| trmanco | in a year or so, you will see people push that instead of gimp | Jun 21 22:07 |
| schestowitz | Links posted < http://boycottnovell.com/2009/06/21/new-threats-to-the-web/ >.. on to a daily smackdown | Jun 21 22:12 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] it gets better. you also get http://i42.tinypic.com/2mnoylc.jpg when you RIGHT-CLICK on a .ZIP over SMB. that's not opaque at all, no no. | Jun 21 22:17 | |
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| trmanco | http://blogs.techrepublic.com.com/opensource/?p=698 | Jun 21 22:21 |
| trmanco | wtf | Jun 21 22:21 |
| tech republic is M$ fanboy site and should be ignored | Jun 21 22:22 | |
| trmanco | I was about to say that | Jun 21 22:23 |
| trmanco | I was just about to look him up | Jun 21 22:23 |
| It's the editor. | Jun 21 22:24 | |
| I noticed a few big Jack Ass things the Tech Republic editor said a few days ago. That was enough for me. | Jun 21 22:25 | |
| This author says, "For the longest time the browser war had two camps and both camps were neck and neck." Anyone who would consider IE and FF to have been "neck and neck" over the last decade is not qualified to judge browsers. | Jun 21 22:26 | |
| :) | Jun 21 22:26 | |
| No, I'm not going to give those hostile clowns all of my personal info to look at the guy's detailed Bio. | Jun 21 22:28 | |
| The bad guys already have my personal info.... | Jun 21 22:29 | |
| trmanco | heh | Jun 21 22:29 |
| trmanco | I stopped reading the article when he said the FF 3.5 was slower than 3.0 | Jun 21 22:29 |
| trmanco | thats bullshit | Jun 21 22:29 |
| trmanco | and I'm not talking about javascript rendering speeds | Jun 21 22:30 |
| As people start to use more restricted media and platforms, they start to notice how much DRM sucks. http://yro.slashdot.org/story/09/06/21/1945216/Kindle-Zune-DRM-Restrictions-Coming-Into-Focus | Jun 21 22:32 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] ♺ @ruiseabra: strip Mono, s/Banshee/Rhythmbox/, s/Tomboy/Gnote/, s/f-spot/gThumb (or Solang)/ http://is.gd/18BMn | Jun 21 22:32 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] Popular culture in spam: just got one with subject line "Weebl and Boob". | Jun 21 22:32 | |
| Ha ha, library writing for FF plugins. Wanna bet the user was on Windows? http://tech.slashdot.org/story/09/06/21/1839203/Sothink-Violated-the-FlashGot-GPL-and-Stole-Code | Jun 21 22:34 | |
| oh yes, that's Windoze. https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/220 | Jun 21 22:36 | |
| Kget works for the purpose. | Jun 21 22:37 | |
| trmanco | flashgot works on linux too | Jun 21 22:38 |
| trmanco | I think | Jun 21 22:38 |
| the screenshots are windows. I imagine it and many others would also work on GNU/Linux, but I don't like the whole application add on thing. It skirts distro repositories and invites malware. | Jun 21 22:39 | |
| Flashgot is not found in Lenny. | Jun 21 22:41 | |
| I'll stick with kget, which is. | Jun 21 22:41 | |
| trmanco | I'm actually the opposite type | Jun 21 22:42 |
| trmanco | I like to get my extensions off AMO | Jun 21 22:42 |
| trmanco | I only use the repositories extensions when the one I get from AMO has integration problems | Jun 21 22:42 |
| trmanco | like lightning for Thunderbird | Jun 21 22:42 |
| trmanco | the one in the repos works, then on on AMO doesn't work | Jun 21 22:43 |
| To each his own. I would trust a reputable extension web site, but it would be difficult for them to match my confidence in Debian. | Jun 21 22:45 | |
| What Debian trusts, I can trust. | Jun 21 22:45 | |
| Wow, an immune response to cancer that seems to have worked. http://science.slashdot.org/story/09/06/21/1433249/Mayo-Clinic-Reports-Dramatic-Outcomes-In-Prostate-Cancer-Treatment | Jun 21 22:50 | |
| it's about time. | Jun 21 22:50 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] hehehe, I won't :-P | Jun 21 22:57 | |
| tacone | twitter: and in a late situation ! | Jun 21 23:00 |
| tacone | gosh. !ubuntu group on identi.ca didn't took lightly my post | Jun 21 23:08 |
| schestowitz | Jack Wallen is the good guy | Jun 21 23:08 |
| schestowitz | Don't attack him. | Jun 21 23:08 |
| schestowitz | But the site as a whole is an MS site | Jun 21 23:08 |
| schestowitz | Ou and Hiner | Jun 21 23:08 |
| tacone | http://identi.ca/notice/5595898 | Jun 21 23:08 |
| tacone | !http://identi.ca/group/8/id boys, boys, let's solve this the MS way: strip GIMP, Mono & Mono apps. At least noone wins! :D [personally, GIMP > any Mono app] | Jun 21 23:09 |
| schestowitz | Who is bugabundo? | Jun 21 23:10 |
| A good guy in a bad site? | Jun 21 23:10 | |
| that's a shame for the good guy. | Jun 21 23:10 | |
| Jason Hiner added to Poison Pen collection. http://slashdot.org/~twitter/journal/206959 | Jun 21 23:10 | |
| schestowitz | tacone: what's going on? | Jun 21 23:11 |
| schestowitz | I think someone who read you posted about fspot | Jun 21 23:11 |
| tacone | i posted on identi.ca myself | Jun 21 23:12 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[tacone] it's not about #mono. it's about keeping #gimp . Would you say #fspot can replace it in any way ? Is this a joke !ubuntu ? | Jun 21 23:12 | |
| tacone | but you cannot strip gimp come on. not because of f-spot. | Jun 21 23:13 |
| tacone | i could understand if you replace it with a basic image editor.. but f-spot ! | Jun 21 23:13 |
| tacone | which editing features has fspot ? that's hilarious. a joke. | Jun 21 23:13 |
| What the heck is !ubuntu, "not ubuntu"? | Jun 21 23:15 | |
| The mono people are welcome to do whatever they want with "not ubuntu" | Jun 21 23:16 | |
| it would be nice if they'd just make their own distro | Jun 21 23:16 | |
| call it "not ubuntu" or Suse or something. | Jun 21 23:17 | |
| tacone | !ubuntu is the identi.ca ubuntu group | Jun 21 23:17 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[tacone] the only thing I would replace #gimp with on the !ubuntu cd would be a full set of #pr0n wallpapers | Jun 21 23:17 | |
| tacone | all groups on identica are preceded by ! | Jun 21 23:17 |
| tacone | uh... embarassing :) | Jun 21 23:18 |
| microblogging..... the more I see of it, the less I want of it. | Jun 21 23:20 | |
| but that does answer my question. !ubuntu is indeed "not ubuntu" | Jun 21 23:21 | |
| :) | Jun 21 23:21 | |
| There's a lot of Vista revisionism in the news lately. http://news.google.com/news?pz=1&ned=us&hl=en&q=microsoft+vista | Jun 21 23:22 | |
| tacone | twitter: i still not like that much microblogging. mainly because bad desktop integration. but sure it helps in some way if you blog. | Jun 21 23:23 |
| http://online.barrons.com/article/SB124545047774832575.html " XP remains the official operating-system software of Dow Jones laptops" Ugh. | Jun 21 23:25 | |
| how can they stand it? | Jun 21 23:25 | |
| LOL, " there's a head of steam building for Windows 7 that hasn't been seen in a long, long time" FUD fog? he likes that? | Jun 21 23:26 | |
| Barrons, Dow Jones - fraud. | Jun 21 23:27 | |
| Even the Ina Fried shill does not expect people to rush in on Vista 7. http://news.cnet.com/8301-13860_3-10259130-56.html | Jun 21 23:29 | |
| schestowitz | twitter: Barron's is an MS shill | Jun 21 23:29 |
| schestowitz | I could send you links about it | Jun 21 23:30 |
| Yet another "Buy M$ Now" article http://www.bloggingstocks.com/2009/06/20/institutional-investors-suddenly-loving-microsoft/ | Jun 21 23:30 | |
| I can see. | Jun 21 23:30 | |
| schestowitz | If it's Eric Savitz (haven't looked), I would not be surprised | Jun 21 23:30 |
| It's not worth looking at. | Jun 21 23:30 | |
| schestowitz | Microsoft pays analysts to recommend them, I reckon | Jun 21 23:30 |
| schestowitz | That's how financial analysts work | Jun 21 23:30 |
| I'm just surprised by the sudden flood of such BS. | Jun 21 23:30 | |
| schestowitz | See Moody's fiasco for example | Jun 21 23:30 |
| Whisper campaign to pump M$ stock? | Jun 21 23:31 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Microsoft’s Nathan Myhrvold on How “to Freeze the Market at the OEM and ISV Level” < http://ping.fm/d5SdX > I enjoyed this this one. | Jun 21 23:32 | |
| from last link -> Goldman Sachs upgraded the stock to "Conviction Buy," <- the kind of conviction that brings hard time? | Jun 21 23:32 | |
| trmanco | schestowitz, BUGabundo is a PT friend of mine :-P and he is also a MOTU too | Jun 21 23:34 |
| schestowitz | Yeah! I can see. The whole thing is now spread beyond BN :-) as full text all over the Web. < http://boycottnovell.com/2009/06/21/nathan-myhrvold-antitrust-memo/ > I enjoyed this this one. | Jun 21 23:35 |
| schestowitz | The past will come back to haunt them | Jun 21 23:35 |
| schestowitz | Sachs and MS are close | Jun 21 23:35 |
| schestowitz | I could get link | Jun 21 23:35 |
| schestowitz | But.. | Jun 21 23:35 |
| schestowitz | I don't want to write about it | Jun 21 23:35 |
| schestowitz | It gives attention to MS fake 'upgrade' | Jun 21 23:35 |
| cool | Jun 21 23:35 | |
| schestowitz | Based on nothing | Jun 21 23:36 |
| schestowitz | Based on... vapourware and Zune | Jun 21 23:36 |
| schestowitz | While XBox collapses | Jun 21 23:36 |
| It is irritating to search Google Science and Tech for "Microsoft Vista" and get a pile of stock market swindle articles. | Jun 21 23:36 | |
| schestowitz | The harder it is to decipher, the more important it is to spread as plain text. | Jun 21 23:37 |
| schestowitz | I have more coming. | Jun 21 23:37 |
| Nice work. I did not notice that the story was from today. | Jun 21 23:41 | |
| :) | Jun 21 23:41 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] estou a pensar em ir à praia amanha... a ver vamos | Jun 21 23:42 | |
| tacone | lol http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=350990#c37 | Jun 21 23:44 |
| tacone | I simpatize with the tomboy devs but it's pretty funny. | Jun 21 23:45 |
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