IRC: #boycottnovell @ FreeNode: July 2nd, 2009

oiaohmhttp://sev-notes.blogspot.com/2009/06/gpl-scummvm-and-violations.html   Boy.   what a pickle.Jul 01 23:53
trmancowowJul 01 23:55
oiaohmI woulder how many more games out there are running on stolen engines.Jul 02 00:04
oiaohmhttp://blogs.zdnet.com/BTL/?p=20574  << Some people must be starting to get worried about what Orcale is upto.Jul 02 00:07
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Will___Neat new embedded clientJul 02 00:11
Will___schestowitz:  So, how does Mandriva compare to Ubuntu as far as extra repos, Synaptic vs whatever Mandriva uses, etc?Jul 02 00:12
schestowitzI was just about to sleepJul 02 00:12
schestowitzBut I'll be here in the morning, brieflyJul 02 00:13
schestowitzTry PCLOSJul 02 00:13
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Microsoft's LSE page is already BROKEN (no images): http://ping.fm/TA2yq This is hilarious.Jul 02 00:13
schestowitzgnJul 02 00:13
Will___gnJul 02 00:13
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nicktasticschestowitz: Re: Novell owns unix, Scary thought - It could be worse. SCO could own unix. :) At least Novell is motivated by its interest/dependence on Linux.Jul 02 00:21
nicktasticI try to think of Novell as misguided rather than evil. Mono has good intentions, but they don't realize the danger they admit.Jul 02 00:23
nicktasticBut you follow Novell much more closely than me, so I defer to your analysisJul 02 00:23
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nicktasticI just hope it is objective rather than emotional. :)Jul 02 00:24
nicktasticMaintain perspective...Jul 02 00:25
nicktasticI hesitate to admit it here for fear I'll be ostracized and marginalized, but I worked with mono fairly intensively several years ago as a Qt# developer. Technically, I really like the platform. MS hired some top-notch people to design a very flexible and fast platform. Unfortunately, that platform is encumbered by patent monopoly.Jul 02 00:30
nicktasticWhich makes it essentially uselessJul 02 00:31
nicktasticBack in the day, when the SCO case was comparatively young, I remember being thrilled that a Linux company like Novell had the upper hand. Funny how things change.Jul 02 00:35
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oiaohmnicktastic: remember novell made sco think they owned Unix.Jul 02 00:46
oiaohmSo allowing them to rid self of competor.Jul 02 00:46
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oiaohmLot of people like the ideas of .net.   CPU netural byte code is a nice idea.  I have issues just with the way the idea is done for intergration into the open source stacks.Jul 02 00:49
nicktasticI don't recall Novell making SCO think they owned UNIX. My recollection consists of their vehement insistence that their contracts with SCO ensured that Novell owned SVR5.Jul 02 00:57
nicktasticAnd I agree, technically the CLR/CLI are technically impressive, but useless due to politics.Jul 02 00:58
nicktasticEr...well you get my driftJul 02 00:58
nicktasticBack in the day, groklaw heralded Novell as the great savior in the face of SCOJul 02 01:00
oiaohmThe contract between them nicktastic read that Novell transfered all the rights they legally could.Jul 02 01:01
oiaohmYes seamed like a great savior of face move for SCO.Jul 02 01:02
nicktasticExcept that in court Novell demonstrated that was not the case.Jul 02 01:02
oiaohmBut its what has killed them.Jul 02 01:02
oiaohmUnix licences and other things were not transferable.Jul 02 01:02
oiaohmDue to older case Novell vs BSD.Jul 02 01:02
oiaohmSCO was not told this from Novell.  So are now trapped.Jul 02 01:03
nicktastici think its a stretch to assume that anyone considered that at the time, but yes, that does not bode well for Novell's image. Though my impression was that Novell was a very different company at that time.Jul 02 01:04
oiaohmAt the time Novell needed money.Jul 02 01:05
oiaohmIts good old salesman trick.Jul 02 01:05
nicktasticAnd at that time they weren't a Linux company, if memory servesJul 02 01:05
oiaohmYep.Jul 02 01:06
oiaohmNovell could have corrected SCO at any time.Jul 02 01:06
oiaohmPersonally think Novell was just going to let SCO do the leg work to collect the money then step in and take it all.Jul 02 01:06
oiaohmAnd hope to get away with people not picking it up.Jul 02 01:07
taconehttp://drfav.wordpress.com/2009/07/01/my-take-on-the-monoc-debate/Jul 02 01:07
oiaohmNovell only really stepped in the SCO mess when IBM was lining up to take SCO out.Jul 02 01:08
oiaohmNovell is not the white knight in the SCO mess.  They are intermixed in the create and the solution.Jul 02 01:09
taconei just realized the story that says mono is popular is completely wrong.Jul 02 01:09
taconewhere are all those applications ?Jul 02 01:09
nicktasticI don't pretended that they are. Its all about self-interest.Jul 02 01:09
taconein the ubuntu repos there are just a few.Jul 02 01:10
taconeapt-cache rdepends mono-runtimeJul 02 01:11
taconeif you take out the mono libraries you end up with 10 apps or soJul 02 01:11
oiaohmvala younger language is starting to get ahead of .net in numbers of applications.Jul 02 01:15
oiaohmIt has not got to bigger complex applications yet.Jul 02 01:15
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[ml2mst] Ubuntu sees no reason to remove MONO (Goodbye Ubuntu. I will migrate my machines to Fedora 11 this weekend) http://tinyurl.com/ksez4qJul 02 01:18
taconehttp://scottnesbitt.net/ubuntublog/?p=468Jul 02 01:24
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[ml2mst] @schestowitz: have fun, take care!Jul 02 01:43
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Papai was on Placentini's blog to find out more about FISL10Jul 02 01:48
Papaand he has a link to video of RMS dancing..Jul 02 01:49
Papahttp://piacentini.livejournal.com/12372.html?view=45140#t45140Jul 02 01:49
PapaI think RMS was trying to do caporeiraJul 02 01:49
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taconeno, he wasn'tJul 02 01:54
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twitterHow many previous "cross platform" RADs have there been and where are they now?  Tk/Tcl, java are two that I can think of.  How is Mono any different?  Thought of another way, what programing languages besides M$ BASIC have ever been Windows specific?Jul 02 03:34
twitterI think M$'s biggest fear, and a big driver for mono, is that Windows is no longer the center of the developer's computing universe.Jul 02 03:35
neighborleeI'm rather sure thats a huge part, considering the travesty of vista, and maybe even win7Jul 02 03:36
twitterThey do what they can to keep Windows first and foremost in developer's minds, but who besides a Windows user would care?Jul 02 03:38
twitterThe whole M$ ecosystem has nothing but trouble to offer me.Jul 02 03:38
neighborleeI think my friend would use linux a whole lot more, but she is entrenched in windows atm in part due to her choice of apps, and some devices ( windows mobile)Jul 02 03:39
neighborleeapp wize, photoshop etc.Jul 02 03:39
neighborleeoh-and a huge one here...games.Jul 02 03:39
twitterWindows Mobile blows.Jul 02 03:39
neighborleenever used itJul 02 03:39
twitterI know people who have, does not work.Jul 02 03:40
neighborleeouchJul 02 03:40
twitterbugs and other problems - think Zune phone and you start to understand a Windows PDAJul 02 03:40
twitterIE sucks on the desktop.  Imagine having that and only that  in your pocket.Jul 02 03:41
twitterimagine having to press a reset button on your PDA.Jul 02 03:42
neighborleeyeah,,not a pretty visual on any level ;0-Jul 02 03:43
twitterbrbJul 02 03:43
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twitter1visual, "are you sad to see me or is that Micro Soft in your pocket?"Jul 02 03:45
twitter1hmph, I'm #1 again.Jul 02 03:46
neighborleelolJul 02 03:46
neighborlee#1 ?Jul 02 03:46
twitter1twitter1Jul 02 03:46
neighborleeohJul 02 03:46
twitter1I thought I signed out before moving.  No big deal.Jul 02 03:46
neighborleeheh happensJul 02 03:47
Motoko-chanSpeaking of cross-platform kits, TCL is a pain in the posterior.Jul 02 03:48
ugufjhfjTCL is ugly on windowsJul 02 03:56
twitter1you think?Jul 02 03:56
twitter1Windows is ugly on your computer.Jul 02 03:57
twitter1What is the pain of TkJul 02 03:57
twitter1?Jul 02 03:57
Motoko-chanTCL is ugly in general.Jul 02 03:57
Motoko-chanUnless it was just the app I had work on.Jul 02 03:57
twitter1I suppose it would be easier and nicer looking to just use KDevelop.Jul 02 03:58
Motoko-chanThis was an interesting web application.Jul 02 04:00
Motoko-chanRunning on AOLServer. Database was Oracle.Jul 02 04:01
twitter1deb package aolserver4,Jul 02 04:03
twitter1Description: AOL Web Server 4 (Program)Jul 02 04:03
twitter1 This is the web engine that powers the mighty America On-Line.  ItJul 02 04:03
twitter1 is capable of serving a tremendous number of users, and can publishJul 02 04:03
twitter1 hundreds of virtual servers within the same process at the same time.Jul 02 04:03
twitter1 .Jul 02 04:03
twitter1 It is similar in many respects to Zope, except based largely on Tcl.Jul 02 04:03
twitter1 It is multi-threaded, and has a C API that can be used to extendJul 02 04:03
twitter1 its functionality.Jul 02 04:03
twitter1Homepage: http://www.aolserver.com/Jul 02 04:03
twitter1very interestingJul 02 04:03
oiaohmTCL is a very old language.Jul 02 04:08
oiaohmfor what it is its not bad.Jul 02 04:08
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interoperateMicrosoft has killed 'Reponse Point', its VoIP product for small business. News at the VAR Guy here > http://www.thevarguy.com/2009/06/30/microsoft-kills-response-point-development/Jul 02 05:06
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schestowitzinteroperate: thanks, good newsJul 02 05:44
schestowitzInsider Trading Suspected In The Pirate Bay Sale http://techdirt.com/articles/20090701/1627315426.shtmlJul 02 06:05
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The_Mad_HatterRoy, are you awake yet?Jul 02 06:39
The_Mad_HatterOK, guess not, it's only 7:00 AM your time. I just spent 20 hours working on this, use it if you wantJul 02 06:40
The_Mad_Hatterhttp://crankyoldnutcase.blogspot.com/2009/07/microsoft-financials.htmlJul 02 06:40
The_Mad_HatterOh, and that's part one. Part two should be ready this weekend.Jul 02 06:41
The_Mad_HatterOh, and from ITWire, several people have noticed that pro-mono people tend to duck having an independent evaluation done of Mono for patent issues:Jul 02 06:42
The_Mad_Hatterhttp://discuss.itwire.com/viewtopic.php?f=57&t=14186&sid=5f83b9c1380fcaef15ad984b0e79a8d9&p=50919#p50919Jul 02 06:42
The_Mad_HatterAnyway, off to bed.Jul 02 06:45
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schestowitzMinceR: I leave it to you (to keep trolls out). Back next week... :-DJul 02 07:02
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MinceR:)Jul 02 07:11
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] Let's spread some love for Firefox 3.5: http://bit.ly/ShiretokoShock #fx35Jul 02 07:38
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] Let's spread some love for Firefox 3.5: http://bit.ly/ShiretokoShock #fx35Jul 02 07:38
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Omar87Hey guys.Jul 02 09:33
Omar87Look at this ridiculous post by Chris Pirillo.Jul 02 09:33
Omar87And this is how I responded to it:Jul 02 09:33
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Omar87"Okay, can someone please answer this?Jul 02 09:34
Omar87Why are we supposed to show all respect to M$ and Windoze while M$ is not respecting us?Jul 02 09:34
Omar87For example, everybody now knows about the filthy insult to the Linux society arranged by M$ and ASUS, represented in their "Better with Windows XP" campaign!Jul 02 09:34
Omar87So why should we show all respect to those weasels while they're not even respecting themselves?!?!Jul 02 09:34
Omar87Excuse me. but this not only unfair, but it's also mean and ridiculous!"Jul 02 09:34
madagascarI NEED VERIFIED BY VISA SCAM PAGEJul 02 09:34
madagascarI NEED VERIFIED BY VISA SCAM PAGEJul 02 09:35
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] Microsoft lobbyist Jonathan Zuck pushing for validation of software patents via a european central patent court here: http://bit.ly/McM76Jul 02 09:53
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] My slides at the Hacker Space Festival in Paris "Software Patents in Europe via caselaw of a Central Patent Court": http://bit.ly/mdgSuJul 02 10:18
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mono-nono'loJul 02 10:30
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oiaohmOmar87: Remember we are better.  Insults have been created on both sides.Jul 02 10:44
oiaohmhttp://www.ibm.com/developerworks/linux/library/l-solarnetone/?ca=dgr-lnxw97SolarNetOnedth-l&S_TACT=105AGX59&S_CMP=grlnxw97  Nice to see them getting IBM coverageJul 02 11:00
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] My slides at the HSF2009 in Paris "Software Patents in Europe via caselaw of a Central Patent Court" in HTML: http://bit.ly/zcYolJul 02 11:33
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] A preparar-me para fazer VACUUM ás *sqlite do FirefoxJul 02 11:58
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] Já está tudo optimizadoJul 02 12:08
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] Let's spread some love for Firefox 3.5: http://bit.ly/ShiretokoShock #fx35Jul 02 12:08
trmancoLinux welcomes Microsoft to Twitter -> http://twitter.com/Linux/status/2434030368Jul 02 12:08
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trmancosourceforge bought oloh?Jul 02 12:40
trmanco"I'm very proud to announce that SourceForge has acquired OhlohJul 02 12:41
trmanco(http://ohloh.net).  Ohloh has a lot of really cool data about the openJul 02 12:41
trmancosource projects you know and love.  Go look, but if you're not carefulJul 02 12:41
trmancoyou'll spend hours there.  Welcome to the SourceForge team, guys!"Jul 02 12:41
oiaohmYep and freshmeat.net as well trmancoJul 02 12:42
trmancohmmJul 02 12:44
oiaohmIts really who is net on sourceforges hit list.Jul 02 12:45
oiaohmnet/nextJul 02 12:45
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trmancohaha :-)Jul 02 12:51
oiaohmSourceforge has been doing great with adveristing.Jul 02 12:52
oiaohmWho says open source cannot pay.Jul 02 12:52
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trmancoyeahJul 02 13:16
trmancoand partnershipsJul 02 13:16
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] alguem sabe como importo um projecto em git para outro host?Jul 02 14:03
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] ja consegui crl, ha granda Git, é preciso é saberJul 02 14:08
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oiaohmhttp://news.netcraft.com/archives/2009/06/17/june_2009_web_server_survey.html  << Hmm interesting.Jul 02 14:14
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] Let's spread some love for Firefox 3.5: http://bit.ly/ShiretokoShock #fx35Jul 02 14:18
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] NHS says "no sedation till age 3." So you have to wait till yr toddler's teeth actually rot and cause an emergency. THEN they'll treat it.Jul 02 14:18
oiaohmHi _Hicham_ I just went past netcraft the june web  server is interesting http://news.netcraft.com/archives/2009/06/17/june_2009_web_server_survey.htmlJul 02 14:19
oiaohmIt really asks the question how much IIS usage is just MS.Jul 02 14:19
_Hicham_these are normal charts oiaohmJul 02 14:20
_Hicham_what is new with them?Jul 02 14:20
oiaohmLook at MS numbers.Jul 02 14:21
oiaohmMicrosoft Live Spaces  lost populatity and the massive change in numbers it caused.Jul 02 14:22
oiaohmAlso notice most others  if you go back threw the charts are almost allways gaining numbers.Jul 02 14:23
oiaohmIIS went backwards in a big way.Jul 02 14:23
oiaohmThis months chart is going to be interesting.Jul 02 14:25
_Hicham_this is predictibleJul 02 14:25
_Hicham_Microsoft itself doesn't trust IISJul 02 14:25
oiaohmClosing departments also mean closing web sites _Hicham_Jul 02 14:28
_Hicham_of courseJul 02 14:29
_Hicham_normalJul 02 14:29
_Hicham_encarta was using a lot of websitesJul 02 14:29
oiaohmencarta is not offically shut yet.Jul 02 14:29
_Hicham_until the end of the yearJul 02 14:30
_Hicham_I knowJul 02 14:30
oiaohmSo encarta close has not shown yet.Jul 02 14:30
oiaohmOver 6 mil just vaporising is a lot.Jul 02 14:31
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] Does the Bilski test is an invention of IBM in order to kick out business method patents and keep software patents?Jul 02 14:33
oiaohmHmm who is zoobabJul 02 14:34
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zoobab01does somebody knows how to use VLC to transcode an MP4 video to OGM?Jul 02 14:39
zoobab01 does somebody knows how to use CVLC to transcode an MP4 video to OGM?Jul 02 14:39
zoobab01vlc source_file.asf --sout "#transcode{vcodec=theo,vb=1024,scale=1, acodec=vorb,ab=192,channels=2} :duplicate{dst=std{access=file, mux=ogg,url='/home/usuario/destination.ogm'}}"Jul 02 14:42
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twitter1zoobab01, just use ffmpeg2theoraJul 02 15:25
twitter1v6 should be adequate qualityJul 02 15:25
zoobab01http://zoobab.wikidot.com/howto-transcode-from-mp4-to-ogm-with-videolanJul 02 15:25
zoobab01ffmpeg and mplayer have problems playing this video:Jul 02 15:25
zoobab01http://media.ffii.org/HSF2009/video/Jun2909-171424.mp4Jul 02 15:26
zoobab01vlc plays fineJul 02 15:26
zoobab01http://zoobab.wikidot.com/howto-transcode-from-mp4-to-ogm-with-videolanJul 02 15:26
zoobab01transcoding nowJul 02 15:26
twitter1interesting.  there's nothing ffmpeg2theora has not been able to get for me.  Special purpose often is superior.Jul 02 15:27
twitter1and your movie give a 403, "forbidden" error.Jul 02 15:28
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zoobab01try nowJul 02 15:30
twitter1works, how big is it?Jul 02 15:30
zoobab01300MOJul 02 15:31
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twitter1vlc is a good program, even on Debian with nothing but codecs that can be distributed in the US.Jul 02 15:32
twitter1easy to use and figure outJul 02 15:33
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mrguserhelloJul 02 15:34
twitter1wow, vlc is having trouble with that mp4 and so did ffmpeg2theoraJul 02 15:34
twitter1might be that I don't have enough of it here yetJul 02 15:34
twitter1might be something else.Jul 02 15:35
twitter1mp4 is considerably encumbered.Jul 02 15:35
mrgusermplayer crashes whole X on my gentoo. Some flags shouldn't be enabled i thinkJul 02 15:35
twitter1"no playable streams" is a common error for players vlc, totem, ffmpeg2theoraJul 02 15:37
twitter1OK, vlc works on the complete fileJul 02 15:39
twitter1quality is lowJul 02 15:39
twitter1but it seems good enough.Jul 02 15:39
twitter1ha, first frame is not a keyframeJul 02 15:40
twitter1ffmpeg2theora seems to workJul 02 15:40
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twitter1h264, mp4aacJul 02 15:42
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twitter1ffmpeg2theora produces unacceptable output even a v8.  The lack of initial keyframe kills the initial video and the combination of lossy codeces blows it.Jul 02 15:44
twitter1to offer that video in compressed form, you should get a better input file.  ask for the originalJul 02 15:45
twitter1it's been fun, gotta go.Jul 02 15:46
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twitterbye byeJul 02 15:47
zoobab01:win 4Jul 02 15:48
zoobab01trying ffmpeg2theroaJul 02 15:48
zoobab01seems to workJul 02 15:49
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] Internet LART delivered to younger teen. Older teen most amused. Younger knows how to get her intarweb back, we'll see how long.Jul 02 16:28
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] Uptodate divine testament! @almightygod now has a blog: http://almightygod.wordpress.com/Jul 02 16:33
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] Canonical and Ubuntu users deserve to be sued: http://bit.ly/sIWHR We didn't know that Microsoft has patents on Mono: http://bit.ly/15PdhnJul 02 16:43
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] if only. http://fun.loosenutstudio.com/?p=74Jul 02 16:48
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] this is very cool: http://arxiv.org/abs/0907.0193 twitter as the world's RSS reader.Jul 02 16:58
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] Well, that about wraps it up for Hollywood http://is.gd/1lCeT The end point, of course, will be http://is.gd/1lChPJul 02 17:33
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[nickballard] Slackware.com seems to have been slashdotted.Jul 02 19:23
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[nickballard] No indication of MONO in Slack13. :-)Jul 02 19:48
PeterKraushmmJul 02 19:54
PeterKrausi didn't even know FFX3.5 is outJul 02 19:54
cftysdfgPeterKraus, its great!Jul 02 19:56
PeterKrausyeahJul 02 19:56
cftysdfg<video>, <audio>, 2x js speedJul 02 19:56
PeterKrausit's QUITE fastJul 02 19:56
PeterKrausand arch linux has it in official reposJul 02 19:56
PeterKrausalreadyJul 02 19:56
PeterKraus>.>Jul 02 19:56
cftysdfgusers on autoupdate i think already have itJul 02 19:57
cftysdfgwhich is most users of firefox xcept linux usersJul 02 19:57
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fewathe internal firefox updateJul 02 19:58
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] RT @tweetmeme Microsoft patent case: i4i awared $200M | DynamicPatents: Patent News, Reviews and Marketplace http://bit.ly/RIhPeJul 02 19:58
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] A visit from Mr Hussain. Unfortunately AKISMET blocks posts that are vulgar language.Here it is: http://tinyurl.com/kpnx82 #microsoftJul 02 21:28
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Mr Hussain (of Ithinkdiff.com) has responded! http://tinyurl.com/kpnx82 #microsoft #windows #vista #7Jul 02 21:33
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trmancowowJul 02 22:04
trmancochromium got a face liftJul 02 22:04
tessierWas it sagging before?Jul 02 22:15
fewacan it still smile?Jul 02 22:16
tessierCan it still NOT smile?Jul 02 22:16
fewaah yesJul 02 22:16
tessierDoes it have that "always surprised" look now?Jul 02 22:16
trmanconow, it's new tab page got redesignedJul 02 22:19
trmancono*Jul 02 22:19
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] toshiba lcd disassembled and reassembled. 30kV wires somewhat exposed. screen working tho. putting netbook 9.10 on usb stick.Jul 02 22:23
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trmancooh boy -> http://identi.ca/linsuxJul 02 22:34
trmancoMember sinceJul 02 22:34
trmanco    2 Jul 2009Jul 02 22:34
trmancowhat happened to schestowitz ?Jul 02 22:40
MinceRhe said he'll be back next weekJul 02 22:42
trmancoah okJul 02 22:45
fewai dont see why they careJul 02 22:48
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] the karmic netbook remix "CD ISO" is 833MB. see if you can spot the problem. well done. #ubuntu #failJul 02 23:03
trmancobling-> http://www.xitimonitor.com/en-us/search-engine-barometer/bing-june-2009/index-1-2-6-171.html?xtor=11Jul 02 23:04
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ugufjhfjlolJul 02 23:48

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