| tacone1 | most unuseful faq ever http://chrome.blogspot.com/2009/07/google-chrome-os-faq.html | Jul 27 00:03 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] RT @seanbonner: Lots of people confirming AT&T is blocking 4chan. This is going to be problematic. For AT&T. | Jul 27 00:19 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] oh boy, AT&T versus Anonymous. http://s6.invisionfree.com/ProjectATT/index.php | Jul 27 00:55 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] tomorrow morning on all lines: "Hello, AT&T Customer Service" "I HERD U LIEK MUDKIPZ DO YOU HAVE BATTLETOADS FOR THE WII" | Jul 27 01:18 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] tomorrow morning on all lines: "Hello, AT&T Customer Service" "I HERD U LIEK MUDKIPZ DO YOU HAVE BATTLETOADS FOR THE WII" #4chan | Jul 27 01:20 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] following the #4chan block. compelling news story unfolding. at&t just gave them 12 hours to get pissed off & organise. FAIL. | Jul 27 02:02 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] #xkcd comes out in support of #4chan http://is.gd/1O8E3 | Jul 27 02:15 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] RT @camera_blab AT&T vs. 4chan Haiku (Number 5) Ain't kissed a girl yet. Probably dont know how to. Yet can make stock fall. #4chan #haiku | Jul 27 02:46 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] RT @jpdefillippo I wish I could get to /b/ so I can see the retaliation they're planning for me not being able to get to /b/. #4chan | Jul 27 02:50 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] latest #4chan #att theory: ddos on at&t from spoofed IP of img.4chan.org http://bit.ly/mQ4tD ... possible. (HT @mecredis) | Jul 27 03:18 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] #4chan latest reason rumor: "AT&T DSL customers have viruses that DDoS 4chan, using a TON of bandwidth. Bandwidth costs money for AT&T too." | Jul 27 03:51 | |
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| heh, Windows is expensive for everyone. | Jul 27 04:18 | |
| ATT should just turn infected clients off. | Jul 27 04:18 | |
| it would be easier for them if they did not have the market rigged to be monopoly everywhere. | Jul 27 04:18 | |
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| MinceR | http://img182.imageshack.us/img182/1810/sure.png | Jul 27 06:09 |
| tessier | MinceR: nice | Jul 27 06:20 |
| schestowitz | AT&T helps its customers know what's right and wrong. That's nice. | Jul 27 06:33 |
| schestowitz | Kudos to AT&T for babysitting the customer. It was also nice of them to censor Peal Jam when they criticised King GW Bush in a live concert. | Jul 27 06:34 |
| Diablo-D3 | schestowitz: its the end of at&t | Jul 27 06:36 |
| Diablo-D3 | never piss off a bunch of /b/astards | Jul 27 06:36 |
| schestowitz | So they allow hardcore pr0n site, but 4chan..... nnnnnnnnnnnnnoooo ! | Jul 27 06:37 |
| Diablo-D3 | this may prove 4chan to be the most popular website on the internet | Jul 27 06:37 |
| Diablo-D3 | thats kinda scary | Jul 27 06:37 |
| XP is so ugly, but the screen shot is interesting. | Jul 27 06:40 | |
| schestowitz | http://boycottnovell.com/2008/09/05/introduction-to-at-and-t/ | Jul 27 06:41 |
| fewa | hold shit | Jul 27 06:41 |
| Diablo-D3 | http://mailman.nanog.org/pipermail/nanog/2009-July/thread.html#12177 | Jul 27 06:41 |
| fewa | who do they think they are? | Jul 27 06:41 |
| Diablo-D3 | you know you're someone when you get mentioned on nanog | Jul 27 06:42 |
| they think they are an abusive monopoly that can do whatever they want | Jul 27 06:42 | |
| women's rights make progress in Sudan. -> "But it shows those people who think that women can't do jobs like this that they are wrong." | Jul 27 06:43 | |
| http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/8161199.stm | Jul 27 06:43 | |
| just what everyone dreams of, clearing landmines. | Jul 27 06:43 | |
| fewa | at the end of the 19th century the telegraph companies would actively play politics | Jul 27 06:43 |
| fewa | delaying those messages which they disagreed with | Jul 27 06:43 |
| fewa | this is why internet is a common carrier | Jul 27 06:43 |
| uh, yeah. | Jul 27 06:44 | |
| fewa | common carrier is a method of network neutrality | Jul 27 06:44 |
| fewa | a century old version | Jul 27 06:44 |
| fewa | centuries* | Jul 27 06:44 |
| works for freight too, so the concept is even older than that. | Jul 27 06:44 | |
| Diablo-D3 | well | Jul 27 06:44 |
| Diablo-D3 | the problem is | Jul 27 06:44 |
| Diablo-D3 | https isnt standard. | Jul 27 06:44 |
| fewa | yet the corrupt FCC likes to mess around | Jul 27 06:45 |
| fewa | corruption | Jul 27 06:45 |
| fewa | they neither protect people from monopoly control, or excessive government control | Jul 27 06:45 |
| schestowitz | Until people stand up and phone to cancel their AT&T contracts, these things will get worse | Jul 27 06:47 |
| schestowitz | :"Friends don't let friends use COmcast of AT&T..." | Jul 27 06:47 |
| fewa | yeah i dont use either | Jul 27 06:47 |
| Diablo-D3 | "or" | Jul 27 06:48 |
| Or Cox, smaller but just as nasty | Jul 27 06:52 | |
| fruadster found dead ... http://www.reuters.com/article/businessNews/idUSTRE56P0YD20090726 | Jul 27 06:52 | |
| citibank screwing customers, automatically http://www.law.com/jsp/article.jsp?id=1202432536214&Wachovia_BofA_Citibank_Sued_Over_BadFaith_Overdraft_Fees | Jul 27 06:55 | |
| wachovia and BoA also doing same | Jul 27 06:56 | |
| nice | Jul 27 06:56 | |
| -> At least four transactions were held for three days, and a check with the highest amount was processed first, depleting her account when smaller and earlier transactions could have been processed without a fee. | Jul 27 06:56 | |
| -> "Wachovia routinely enforces a policy whereby charges incurred are posted to consumers' accounts in nonchronological order designed to maximize the number of overdraft fees," the lawsuit claims. | Jul 27 06:57 | |
| -> Wachovia attorneys argued the bank's deposit agreement specifically authorizes both the bank's right to post items to accounts in "any order" | Jul 27 06:58 | |
| no bad faith there, nope. | Jul 27 06:58 | |
| ha ha, war profiteers screw each other http://www.forbes.com/forbes/2009/0803/iraq-afghanistan-obama-wall-street-goes-to-war.html?partner=contextstory | Jul 27 07:02 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] If C# is Declining, Do We Need Mono Anymore? http://ping.fm/B5K5a | Jul 27 07:02 | |
| one got $350 million, the other got the shaft. | Jul 27 07:02 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Novell is Insulting Ubuntu/Canonical Again http://ping.fm/EIcrj | Jul 27 07:29 | |
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| tessier | Did you all see my http://usairsucks.org site? | Jul 27 07:57 |
| tessier | My letter is probably too long. Wish I knew how to edit myself better. | Jul 27 07:57 |
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| schestowitz | I saw that | Jul 27 08:19 |
| tessier | I hope someone over there cares about their reputation. If not they just won't give a care what anyone says about them. | Jul 27 08:32 |
| tessier | But I do seriously want my $908.20 back from them. | Jul 27 08:32 |
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| tessier | Is C# declining? | Jul 27 08:35 |
| Diablo-D3 | it never inclined. | Jul 27 08:35 |
| tessier | Was nice to see Microsoft's profits decline for the first time ever. | Jul 27 08:35 |
| tessier | Still far from a loss though. | Jul 27 08:36 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Netcraft Needs to Clean House or Become Irrelevant http://ping.fm/RfIVQ | Jul 27 08:36 | |
| fewa | can anybody find the source for this: http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2009/jul/26/climate-change-obama-administration | Jul 27 08:51 |
| fewa | there are at least 6 images | Jul 27 08:51 |
| fewa | but i cant find them in high def | Jul 27 08:51 |
| fewa | I tried Google Voice to call the guardian but the quality sucked ass | Jul 27 08:52 |
| fewa | *was poor | Jul 27 08:52 |
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| schestowitz | tessier: not for the first time. Microsoft lost money before | Jul 27 09:06 |
| schestowitz | And declared warnings going down by 32% last qtr too | Jul 27 09:06 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Russia’s Antimonopoly Service Targets ASUS, Toshiba, H-P, Samsung and Dell for Potentially Colluding with Microsoft http://ping.fm/cOfS7 | Jul 27 09:07 | |
| tessier | schestowitz: Lost money? They have never failed to turn a profit in a great many years if ever. | Jul 27 09:07 |
| schestowitz | They lost $18bn in 1998 | Jul 27 09:08 |
| schestowitz | Says Smithers/Economist | Jul 27 09:08 |
| tessier | http://www.microsoft.com/msft/ar98/fins.htm | Jul 27 09:10 |
| tessier | Looks like they made 4.4B | Jul 27 09:10 |
| fewa | how could a company lose so much money? | Jul 27 09:13 |
| Diablo-D3 | stupdity | Jul 27 09:14 |
| Diablo-D3 | and lack of shareholders caring | Jul 27 09:14 |
| fewa | i mean how could a company without any read property holdings or operations possibly spend so much | Jul 27 09:14 |
| Diablo-D3 | blow costs money | Jul 27 09:14 |
| fewa | what did they spend it on? | Jul 27 09:14 |
| Diablo-D3 | so do hookers | Jul 27 09:14 |
| tessier | Microsoft says profit drops 29 percent, posts first full-year drop in sales since 1986 | Jul 27 09:15 |
| tessier | An increase in sales every year since 1986. That's 23 years. Amazing. | Jul 27 09:15 |
| Diablo-D3 | when your product doesnt actually exist, selling it is easy | Jul 27 09:15 |
| fewa | Diablo-D3, no its isnt | Jul 27 09:16 |
| fewa | Diablo-D3, Microsoft exerts alot of effort to sell nothing, to keep the veil over peoples eyes | Jul 27 09:16 |
| Diablo-D3 | microsoft exerts a lot of effort needlessly | Jul 27 09:16 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[popey] Just got my 4th mail (over a 4 month period) that someone is following me on twitter. Make your mind up! | Jul 27 09:29 | |
| schestowitz | tessier: The Economist, 1999: "Microsoft, the world’s most valuable company, declared a profit of $4.5 billion in 1998; when the cost of options awarded that year, plus the change in the value of outstanding options, is deducted, the firm made a loss of $18 billion, according to Smithers." | Jul 27 09:39 |
| tessier | Including cost of options? That's an odd way to do accounting. | Jul 27 09:40 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft Year End Notes < http://crankyoldnutcase.blogspot.com/2009/07/microsoft-year-end-notes.html > | Jul 27 09:41 |
| schestowitz | SOmeone just mailed me this | Jul 27 09:41 |
| tessier | You can't deduct equity awarded from the profit and loss and get a number that means anything. | Jul 27 09:41 |
| *tessier hopes their earnings continue to drop | Jul 27 09:43 | |
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| schestowitz | tessier: they borrow money now | Jul 27 09:53 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Antitrust: How Microsoft Used Kickbacks (“Referral Programs”) to Advance Its Inferior Products http://ping.fm/BuLeM | Jul 27 09:53 | |
| schestowitz | SOmeone just sent me this about RICO: | Jul 27 10:36 |
| schestowitz | "Seems like a cut-and-dried case of racketeering: | Jul 27 10:36 |
| schestowitz | http://boycottnovell.com/2009/07/26/defense-of-boycott-novell/ | Jul 27 10:36 |
| schestowitz | The Minions of Bill play an essential role and enough of the guild to be | Jul 27 10:36 |
| schestowitz | worth the attention of a court of law. | Jul 27 10:36 |
| schestowitz | http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/casecode/uscodes/18/parts/i/chapters/96/toc.html | Jul 27 10:36 |
| schestowitz | Racketeering is racketeering, with or without a computer." | Jul 27 10:36 |
| schestowitz | From http://boycottnovell.com/2009/07/27/ms-referral-programs/ | Jul 27 10:50 |
| schestowitz | >From mikeap Wed Nov20 10:46:58 1991 | Jul 27 10:50 |
| schestowitz | To : peteh | Jul 27 10:50 |
| schestowitz | Subject: Lotus - Confidential | Jul 27 10:50 |
| schestowitz | Date: Wed Nov 20 13:45:45 1991 | Jul 27 10:50 |
| schestowitz | >From my mole thought you might appreciate: | Jul 27 10:50 |
| schestowitz | --------------------------------------------- | Jul 27 10:50 |
| schestowitz | FYI: as predicted, the Lotus shake up is starting. Kelsey Selander, VP Marketing Communication, just went to Borland. She reported to Faulk. She took Lee Philips, Director of Symphony Marketing, and an old Lotus spreadsheet hand with her. Also, the Lotus DM in Dallas just became the director of Channel Marketing at Micrographix. | Jul 27 10:50 |
| schestowitz | Manzi circulates bi-weekly "state of the company" memos to employees. They ? are in sorry shape. All holiday parties have been cancelled. Employees are being told to justify every expenses. Also, all expenditures had better follow revenues--or else. Expect a pruning in the sales department within the next several months. Freelance is not moving and 123/w is DOA. | Jul 27 10:50 |
| schestowitz | ------------------------------------- | Jul 27 10:50 |
| schestowitz | Don’t spread too broadly ..... | Jul 27 10:50 |
| schestowitz | === | Jul 27 10:50 |
| schestowitz | Interesting use there of the word "mole" | Jul 27 10:50 |
| schestowitz | ANd remember what Microsoft did to Micrographix | Jul 27 10:51 |
| schestowitz | This was sent to Bill Gates BTW | Jul 27 10:51 |
| Diablo-D3 | lol | Jul 27 10:51 |
| Diablo-D3 | back when lotus and borland were relevant | Jul 27 10:51 |
| Diablo-D3 | dont a lot of those people work for IBM or Sun now? | Jul 27 10:52 |
| Ng | well IBM own Lotus now | Jul 27 10:52 |
| Diablo-D3 | Ng: eeeh | Jul 27 10:52 |
| Diablo-D3 | ibm bought lotus and then merged it into ibm | Jul 27 10:53 |
| Ng | as I said, IBM own Lotus :) | Jul 27 10:53 |
| Diablo-D3 | they bought a company though | Jul 27 10:53 |
| Diablo-D3 | they didnt buy the people | Jul 27 10:53 |
| Diablo-D3 | Im asking if a lot of them are still at decidedly anti-microsoft companies | Jul 27 10:54 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Steve Ballmer, 2 Years Ago: Open Source “Not a Business Model we Can Embrace” http://ping.fm/3s8Vj | Jul 27 12:03 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Here is an article from the nglish-speaking press about Skype in (or out of) Russia: http://ping.fm/gvKVX | Jul 27 13:35 | |
| schestowitz | Europe's Mars rover slips to 2018 < http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/8168954.stm > | Jul 27 13:40 |
| schestowitz | http://www.embedded.com/design/218600620 "According to "Snapshot of the embedded Linux market -- May, 2006" By LinuxDevices.com, which is 2006 data, 47% of respondents have used Linux in their embedded systems. That number is probably overstated due to the self-selecting nature of those responding to linuxdevices.com, but a survey I conducted the same year showed that 35% of the systems readers built included either Linux or some f | Jul 27 13:45 |
| schestowitz | lavor of Windows." | Jul 27 13:45 |
| oiaohm | Its really wrong calling Linux kernel a desktop OS. | Jul 27 13:56 |
| oiaohm | O well RTOS developers live in hope the Linux kernel cannot take up the RTOS operations. | Jul 27 13:57 |
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| schestowitz | I got used to thinking of Linux as Linux | Jul 27 14:04 |
| schestowitz | It's the core of the low-level system, but for most purposes I use KDE, which uses some GNU | Jul 27 14:05 |
| schestowitz | APplications matter the most. A lot of people use Firefox, Thunderbird, xchat, etc. In turn they use Linux, sure... (system calls) | Jul 27 14:05 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] "Pentagon Propaganda Gets a Pass" < http://ping.fm/twNCh > It's nice to see HowStuffWorks, ain't it? | Jul 27 14:10 | |
| schestowitz | Shining a Light on U.S. Power Utility Lobbyists < http://www.prwatch.org/node/8474 > | Jul 27 14:11 |
| schestowitz | Hacker says iPhone's encryption is a placebo < http://www.heise.de/english/newsticker/news/142610/from/rss09 > Proprietary/Apple | Jul 27 14:13 |
| schestowitz | "Inquiries into the 954 deaths in custody since 1990 have all proved fruitless – and then this historic case comes along" http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2009/jul/24/ipcc-inquiries-police-custody-deaths In Russia, bloggers due in custody, too | Jul 27 14:14 |
| ha ha, M$ has similar problems now -> (03:10:48 AM) schestowitz: Manzi circulates bi-weekly "state of the company" memos to employees. They ? are in sorry shape. All holiday parties have been cancelled. Employees are being told to justify every expenses. Also, all expenditures had better follow revenues--or else. Expect a pruning in the sales department within the next several months. Freelance is not moving and 123/w is DOA. | Jul 27 14:23 | |
| Everyone knows they're in sorry shape. | Jul 27 14:24 | |
| schestowitz | No company picnic | Jul 27 14:24 |
| no bar. | Jul 27 14:24 | |
| schestowitz | Canceled due to budgetary constraints. Maybe they should take another loan. | Jul 27 14:24 |
| schestowitz | No, eventually they said the bar plans will stay | Jul 27 14:25 |
| Employees are being told to justify their expenses. All departments are being pruned. | Jul 27 14:25 | |
| schestowitz | The bar will be needed. it gets occupied when workers feel depressed | Jul 27 14:25 |
| Vista is not moving and Vista 7 is DOA. | Jul 27 14:25 | |
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| schestowitz | I'm amazed at how little coverage RTM got | Jul 27 14:26 |
| schestowitz | Back in Nov/Oct 2006 VIsta RTM made loads of headlines | Jul 27 14:26 |
| schestowitz | It would be hard to measure now using just Google. | Jul 27 14:26 |
| verizon has 20% profit drop http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=auXxRJMXnSws | Jul 27 14:30 | |
| schestowitz | Verizon does not seem as evil as the rest | Jul 27 14:31 |
| they are | Jul 27 14:31 | |
| schestowitz | Verizon supports some Linux in places and I don't find many negative stories about them | Jul 27 14:31 |
| schestowitz | twitter: yes, relatively. | Jul 27 14:31 |
| schestowitz | Unless I can be proven wrong | Jul 27 14:31 |
| They complied with Bush wiretaps right away. | Jul 27 14:32 | |
| and you have not had to put up with their constant advertising. | Jul 27 14:32 | |
| Bernanke Feared a Second Great Depression http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124865498517982625.html | Jul 27 14:33 | |
| he aught to have, given the way all the depression era regulations had been undone. | Jul 27 14:33 | |
| schestowitz | popey: did you see this? http://doctormo.wordpress.com/2009/07/25/ubuntu-desktop-contacts-as-indexed-files/ | Jul 27 14:38 |
| schestowitz | twitter: they just procrastinate it using the same mistakes | Jul 27 14:39 |
| schestowitz | It's inevitable that they'll make the same mistakes as Hoover did (IIRC) | Jul 27 14:39 |
| schestowitz | When someone is ill, you offer a cure, no Valium. | Jul 27 14:39 |
| popey | heh schestowitz | Jul 27 14:42 |
| funny. http://news.google.com/news?pz=1&ned=us&hl=en&q=RTM | Jul 27 14:42 | |
| popey | my face! | Jul 27 14:42 |
| finds RTM, remember the milk, on first page of results | Jul 27 14:42 | |
| schestowitz | Do you know the blogger? | Jul 27 14:42 |
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| popey face? | Jul 27 14:43 | |
| popey | twitter: 14:58:31 < schestowitz> popey: did you see this? http://doctormo.wordpress.com/2009/07/25/ubuntu-desktop-contacts-as-indexed-files/ | Jul 27 14:43 |
| popey | twitter: in that blog post is a piccy of my avatar | Jul 27 14:43 |
| yes, oh | Jul 27 14:43 | |
| popey | schestowitz: was that directed at me? | Jul 27 14:43 |
| popey | if it was, yes, I know doctormo | Jul 27 14:44 |
| ThistleWeb | popey: another 24hr clock user, I keep thinking I'm in a minority | Jul 27 14:44 |
| popey | :) irssi default i think | Jul 27 14:44 |
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| ThistleWeb | I've all my watches / clocks over the years on 24hr, a 12hr seems odd | Jul 27 14:45 |
| MinceR | same here | Jul 27 14:45 |
| ThistleWeb | not to mention wearing a watch with the face on the inside | Jul 27 14:45 |
| ThistleWeb | easier to see when fretting a guitar | Jul 27 14:46 |
| popey | :) | Jul 27 14:46 |
| ThistleWeb | you don't need to stop playing to turn your wrist | Jul 27 14:46 |
| MinceR | i don't wear watches because my wrist doesn't like them | Jul 27 14:46 |
| ThistleWeb | I've had peeps who grab your wrist to see the time, and turn my wrist to see the strap and have a WTF expression on their faces | Jul 27 14:47 |
| MinceR | :) | Jul 27 14:47 |
| MinceR | serves them right | Jul 27 14:47 |
| ThistleWeb | exactly | Jul 27 14:47 |
| MinceR | grabbing someone else's arm to see the time is rude | Jul 27 14:47 |
| DrMo needs to learn how to use Kontact, which atomizes contact and email information in a way he'd like | Jul 27 14:47 | |
| also does good search of same | Jul 27 14:47 | |
| schestowitz | Watches were made obsolete by gadgets | Jul 27 14:47 |
| schestowitz | Phones/PDAs mostly | Jul 27 14:47 |
| ThistleWeb | MinceR: these are friends, so it's all good | Jul 27 14:48 |
| MinceR | it's still an invasion of personal space | Jul 27 14:48 |
| schestowitz | SOme friends of mine have the face of the watch on the inside. Makes sense | Jul 27 14:48 |
| MinceR | unless you mean a gf :> | Jul 27 14:48 |
| popey | i carry 3 things with me most of the time that have electronic clocks on them, i still wear an analog watch | Jul 27 14:48 |
| MinceR | i use my pda/phone to keep time | Jul 27 14:48 |
| ThistleWeb | popey: I'm back to an analog watch too | Jul 27 14:48 |
| MinceR | i never liked analog clock faces | Jul 27 14:48 |
| ThistleWeb | funny thing is, my mind converts 24 / 12 automatically, so I see 24 but talk in 12 | Jul 27 14:49 |
| schestowitz | I wore a watch for live,.. forever.... but the body doesn't really need extra equipment on it... use the biological clock :-) | Jul 27 14:49 |
| ThistleWeb | you pick up habits if you do it more than half your life lol | Jul 27 14:50 |
| schestowitz | If the humans needed a clock, evolution would give them one | Jul 27 14:50 |
| schestowitz | It did... biological lock... no dials and cog wheels in Mother Nature | Jul 27 14:50 |
| ThistleWeb | indeed, if peeps were made to fly we'd have wings, not planes | Jul 27 14:50 |
| schestowitz | Wings came from falling animals | Jul 27 14:50 |
| schestowitz | They slept on trees and stuff | Jul 27 14:51 |
| schestowitz | Reptils mostly. Those that grew a parachute-like mechanism could (still can) jump between trees and hover | Jul 27 14:51 |
| ThistleWeb | now that's bad couring of design, you pick something meant to allow you to fly, from something which had them but not working well enough to keep IT flying | Jul 27 14:51 |
| ThistleWeb | sourcing* | Jul 27 14:51 |
| schestowitz | Humans lost some of the tree-falling tricks | Jul 27 14:52 |
| ThistleWeb | trees were too high | Jul 27 14:52 |
| schestowitz | Unlike cat species with disjoined skeletal structures | Jul 27 14:52 |
| ThistleWeb | you may have some insight on the way down, but if you die when you hit it's not much good | Jul 27 14:52 |
| schestowitz | Or monkeys that wake up when they fall (we humans still have that) | Jul 27 14:52 |
| schestowitz | Or tails and toes that grip branches... that's lost | Jul 27 14:52 |
| ThistleWeb | unless you have volunteers falling, while others stand by with clipboards taking notes | Jul 27 14:52 |
| TheHubris | like the whale in hitchhikers | Jul 27 14:53 |
| schestowitz | Cats always land on their feet, like the phrase..... | Jul 27 14:53 |
| ThistleWeb | I sense a kick comng | Jul 27 14:53 |
| schestowitz | "clipboards"? | Jul 27 14:53 |
| MinceR | the biological clock is imprecise | Jul 27 14:53 |
| schestowitz | THat's precise enough | Jul 27 14:53 |
| schestowitz | For survival | Jul 27 14:53 |
| schestowitz | Unless your boss has a pistol | Jul 27 14:53 |
| MinceR | depends on the environment | Jul 27 14:53 |
| schestowitz | Darwin awards these days would also go to those who can't keep a job because they are always late | Jul 27 14:54 |
| schestowitz | With contraception it's all weird | Jul 27 14:54 |
| schestowitz | Sometimes the less capable of survival you are, the more you are likely to reproduce | Jul 27 14:55 |
| ThistleWeb | lol, create an army | Jul 27 14:55 |
| MinceR | idiocracy | Jul 27 14:55 |
| ThistleWeb | although not a quick fix to an attack | Jul 27 14:55 |
| ThistleWeb | since it takes years to get the kids to adult stage and ready to defend you | Jul 27 14:55 |
| schestowitz | We don't need numbers for defense | Jul 27 14:57 |
| schestowitz | Most powerful nations have high-tech, not cannon fodder | Jul 27 14:57 |
| schestowitz | high-tech as in h-bombs these days. used to be gun powder, tanks, planes, etc. | Jul 27 14:58 |
| ThistleWeb | you still need peeps to push the buttons | Jul 27 14:58 |
| schestowitz | Not really | Jul 27 14:58 |
| schestowitz | In Germany they make fighting robots | Jul 27 14:58 |
| ThistleWeb | trusting the cat to step on the right buttons at the right time is risky | Jul 27 14:58 |
| schestowitz | It's like in Terminator | Jul 27 14:58 |
| schestowitz | Whose robots are better? Let em fight | Jul 27 14:59 |
| ThistleWeb | lol | Jul 27 14:59 |
| ThistleWeb | yeah robot wars was a joke | Jul 27 14:59 |
| schestowitz | Or laser beams | Jul 27 14:59 |
| ThistleWeb | it maybe better with robots | Jul 27 14:59 |
| ThistleWeb | rather than remote controlled gadgets | Jul 27 14:59 |
| schestowitz | With nuclear weapons you also rely on satellite technology | Jul 27 14:59 |
| schestowitz | The US doesn't like the meteorological progress in CHina | Jul 27 15:00 |
| schestowitz | US [sic] | Jul 27 15:00 |
| schestowitz | versus THEM | Jul 27 15:00 |
| ThistleWeb | so a hack changing the GPS could be dangerous if Pwongyang actually points to Washington | Jul 27 15:01 |
| schestowitz | http://www.fsdaily.com/Community/Please_Don_t_Replace_the_GIMP_with_F_Spot_Mono#comment-4866 | Jul 27 15:03 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft chairs Ubuntu meetings | Jul 27 15:03 |
| MinceR | and gregkh pushes m$ patches into linux | Jul 27 15:04 |
| no one needs icbm accuracy with this http://images.google.com/images?hl=en&q=mirv&btnG=Search+Images&gbv=1&aq=f&oq= | Jul 27 15:04 | |
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| wallclimber | EXCELLENT articles this morning, Roy!!! | Jul 27 15:05 |
| the environmental effects of even a "small" exchange, such as between India and Pakistan, would be fatal to all anyway. | Jul 27 15:06 | |
| wallclimber | Well done!! | Jul 27 15:06 |
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| sebsebseb | hi | Jul 27 15:08 |
| tacone | uh ? | Jul 27 15:09 |
| tacone | i still have to read. lets see | Jul 27 15:10 |
| schestowitz | wb, wallclimber | Jul 27 15:11 |
| schestowitz | Thanks. | Jul 27 15:11 |
| wallclimber | I'm busy sending out links to people... | Jul 27 15:12 |
| schestowitz | I mostly organise the Wiki today: http://boycottnovell.com/wiki/index.php?title=Special:RecentChanges | Jul 27 15:12 |
| schestowitz | It gets to the point where I can use categories to find all the necessary stuff. I know some people from Groklaw who might help | Jul 27 15:13 |
| wallclimber | I'm looking it over...wow, what a lot of work! | Jul 27 15:17 |
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| schestowitz | Linsxxxxxxx folks get upset... http://www.fsdaily.com/Opposition/More_Self_serving_Lockin_oriented_GPL_Code_from_Microsoft#comment-4982 | Jul 27 15:19 |
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| *schestowitz updates his personal Web site for the first time in months | Jul 27 15:23 | |
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| *Eruaran works on his introduction to GNU/Linux | Jul 27 15:49 | |
| schestowitz | Ok, added 2007-2008 prizes :-) http://schestowitz.com/sports.htm | Jul 27 15:49 |
| tacone | you still train ? | Jul 27 15:54 |
| schestowitz | Wow. jpilot is so great | Jul 27 15:56 |
| Eruaran | I think I may have discovered one of the single most important events in the history of Free Software. | Jul 27 15:56 |
| schestowitz | tacone: yes. | Jul 27 15:56 |
| schestowitz | I was just organising my palm | Jul 27 15:56 |
| schestowitz | I had all those notes there for years, needing editing and uploading | Jul 27 15:56 |
| schestowitz | Eruaran: Microsoft's results? ;=p | Jul 27 15:57 |
| Eruaran | no :P | Jul 27 15:57 |
| schestowitz | They do have an impact you know? | Jul 27 15:57 |
| schestowitz | They leave a void | Jul 27 15:57 |
| Eruaran | "At the end of his first year in the graduate program, Stallman suffered a knee injury that ended[9] his participation in international folk dancing" | Jul 27 15:57 |
| schestowitz | Imagine what if WIndows vanished | Jul 27 15:57 |
| schestowitz | Apple onyl occupies rich quarters | Jul 27 15:57 |
| schestowitz | Eruaran: yes, he dances | Jul 27 15:58 |
| schestowitz | Soulja boys | Jul 27 15:58 |
| schestowitz | Let me find it, it's funny | Jul 27 15:58 |
| schestowitz | A decade ago I favoured music that was considered a niche (R&B and hip hop), following my older sister's taste (and what was on the records' racks). Nowadays, this type of music is mainstream. The same transition is happening today with Free software. | Jul 27 15:58 |
| Eruaran | :) | Jul 27 15:58 |
| schestowitz | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pube5Aynsls | Jul 27 15:58 |
| schestowitz | NSFW | Jul 27 15:58 |
| *tacone wonders how long will it take for MS share holders to revolt | Jul 27 15:59 | |
| schestowitz | RMS dances witha laptop | Jul 27 15:59 |
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| tacone | lefty had an impact. now ubuntu community is getting sexist-phobic | Jul 27 16:06 |
| tacone | http://www.geekosophical.net/?p=303 | Jul 27 16:06 |
| tacone | she affirms this post is sexist http://en.emgent.org/index.php/2009/07/25/gerix-wifi-cracker-new-generation/ | Jul 27 16:06 |
| tacone | she *claims | Jul 27 16:06 |
| Eruaran | I can't believe M$ shares are still being listed as a "buy"... are people insane ? | Jul 27 16:08 |
| schestowitz | It's bribed for sometimes | Jul 27 16:10 |
| Eruaran | Oh yes... Windows 7 and Bing will turn everything around ! Changing paradigms be damned ? | Jul 27 16:11 |
| schestowitz | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Phioe4DGu5E | Jul 27 16:12 |
| schestowitz | tacone: it makes fun of an older generation | Jul 27 16:12 |
| tacone | yup | Jul 27 16:13 |
| tacone | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Boy_Who_Cried_Wolf | Jul 27 16:13 |
| schestowitz | It's a 5/50 chance | Jul 27 16:13 |
| schestowitz | She happened to be female | Jul 27 16:13 |
| schestowitz | 55/45 maybe | Jul 27 16:13 |
| schestowitz | WOmen being more likely because they live longer | Jul 27 16:13 |
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| schestowitz | If merely mentioning females is risky, then I can stop mentioning them altogether. [sarcasm] That'll show them. THere are more granmas than grandpas | Jul 27 16:15 |
| tacone | i guess if he tried with his grandfather | Jul 27 16:16 |
| tacone | the grandfather would have given him an healthy dose, with a stick | Jul 27 16:16 |
| tacone | lol | Jul 27 16:17 |
| tacone | [sarcasm btw] | Jul 27 16:17 |
| schestowitz | Making My Grandparents Leet Linux Users - Part 2 http://tomdryer.com/blog/index.php/2007/08/19/making-my-grandparents-leet-linux-users-part-2/ | Jul 27 16:19 |
| schestowitz | Making My Grandparents Leet Linux Users - Part 1 http://tomdryer.com/blog/index.php/2007/08/17/making-my-grandparents-leet-linux-users-part-1/ | Jul 27 16:19 |
| schestowitz | Grandpa Gets a Dell with Ubuntu Linux Preinstalled http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20070725085521830 | Jul 27 16:19 |
| schestowitz | Desktop Adapted for Dad http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/466 | Jul 27 16:19 |
| tacone | geee, i was joking, really :-) | Jul 27 16:20 |
| schestowitz | Why you should switch your parents pc to ubuntu http://www.ghacks.net/2006/12/20/why-you-should-switch-your-parents-pc-to-ubuntu/ | Jul 27 16:20 |
| schestowitz | tacone: I know... | Jul 27 16:20 |
| Eruaran | I've gone off Ubuntu | Jul 27 16:20 |
| schestowitz | You could say the Simspons is anti-men | Jul 27 16:20 |
| schestowitz | It portrays men as stupid | Jul 27 16:20 |
| tacone | i'm uncertain if post about that or not. | Jul 27 16:21 |
| schestowitz | GPLv3: A grandfather clause, but not for Novell http://www.fsf.org/blogs/licensing/2007-03-28-gplv3-grandfather | Jul 27 16:21 |
| schestowitz | It's a VERY good thing RMS didn't call it grandmother clause | Jul 27 16:21 |
| schestowitz | They would have burned him at the stake | Jul 27 16:21 |
| MinceR | grandparent clause | Jul 27 16:21 |
| schestowitz | Aye | Jul 27 16:22 |
| schestowitz | Gender netral | Jul 27 16:22 |
| schestowitz | Still, makes fun of older people.. | Jul 27 16:22 |
| MinceR | also, shaperson instead of shaman | Jul 27 16:22 |
| MinceR | oh, and shero | Jul 27 16:22 |
| TheHubris | lol but now he's agist | Jul 27 16:22 |
| MinceR | right | Jul 27 16:23 |
| MinceR | so it should be just a person clause | Jul 27 16:23 |
| Eruaran | How about an "interesting" clause | Jul 27 16:23 |
| wallclimber | I guess I should speak up here...but it's probably best not to get started on the topics of sexism and age-ism in regards to Linux usage. I could write a book on it. | Jul 27 16:23 |
| Eruaran | A Logan's Run clause ? | Jul 27 16:24 |
| Eruaran | There is no sanctuary... | Jul 27 16:24 |
| Eruaran | There was that little uproar about Fairy Penguins too | Jul 27 16:24 |
| wallclimber | Time for me to get to work! Take care all. | Jul 27 16:25 |
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| schestowitz | Bye, Mutex | Jul 27 16:26 |
| *#boycottnovell :You need to be a channel operator to do that | Jul 27 16:26 | |
| *#boycottnovell :You need to be a channel operator to do that | Jul 27 16:26 | |
| >ChanServ<op #boycottnovell schestowitz | Jul 27 16:26 | |
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| Eruaran | I don't think I'm up to speed on that one | Jul 27 16:29 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] New Episode of Linux Outlaws is Released http://ping.fm/hh3A5 | Jul 27 16:32 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Children as Young as 2 Love Desktop GNU/Linux http://ping.fm/oWgK7 | Jul 27 16:34 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Why Office.org is Ripe for Adopion in Schools http://ping.fm/es805 | Jul 27 16:35 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] How Windows Habits and Flaws Create Misconceptions About GNU/Linux http://ping.fm/y4MXd | Jul 27 16:39 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Multi-Seat GNU/Linux Setups Get a Boost http://ping.fm/bJKjD | Jul 27 16:43 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Super Nintendo Games Run in GNU/Linux http://ping.fm/CrCSI I'm using another emulator for that. | Jul 27 16:44 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Special-purpose Distribution, Tiny Core Linux, Does What It Promises http://ping.fm/jyYUa | Jul 27 16:50 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Canonical's CTO Reminds Ubuntu Users That They Use Debian GNU/Linux Branch http://ping.fm/OnH5u | Jul 27 16:51 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Ubuntu Linux Compared to Fedora in Terms of Simplicity http://ping.fm/U8v1Q And the winner is... | Jul 27 16:57 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Android Reaches 2.0 Release http://ping.fm/Bl2Ee and It's Not Just for Phones Anymore http://ping.fm/6SiNi | Jul 27 16:59 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] GPL Fanfare Comes After Microsoft Was Pushed to Using It http://ping.fm/3fpeC | Jul 27 17:01 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] worried I'd had no pimp calls ... it's a bank holiday! tho I did get one. here's to desperate pimps. | Jul 27 17:02 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Internet Explorer 8 Fails on Web Standards http://ping.fm/4YlTX | Jul 27 17:04 | |
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| schestowitz | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XBqY6cJD3CE&feature=fvw | Jul 27 17:12 |
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| schestowitz | Hmmmmmm..... see the updates here: http://thebeezspeaks.blogspot.com/2009/07/free-open-source-software-evangelist.html | Jul 27 17:39 |
| schestowitz | Latest u[dates | Jul 27 17:39 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] Bacon, the ADDICTIVE DRUG! http://is.gd/1P8Lp | Jul 27 18:06 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] New page: Bing Reality Log < http://ping.fm/2PjBd > | Jul 27 18:12 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[omar_s_hafez] IS going to Petra and Rum Valley this Friday with the rest of the Open Source group members! :) | Jul 27 18:50 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[omar_s_hafez] IS going to Petra and Rumm Valley this Friday with the rest of the Open Source group members! :) | Jul 27 18:52 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] what happened with #4chan and #att - error, not malice http://bit.ly/3Xeel | Jul 27 20:14 | |
| How can we help the Pirate Party understand that software freedom is a public good that should be positively enforced on it's own? | Jul 27 20:23 | |
| They should know that they are unlikely to achieve their goals of information freedom and rule of law while people's computers are owned by companies like M$. | Jul 27 20:24 | |
| The Pirate Party wants to reduce copyright to a 5 year period. This is not a bad idea and it will bring some balance to the world, but it assumes that people will be able to share the public domain created by copyright expiration. | Jul 27 20:26 | |
| That can be broken with digital restrictions at the network, OS even hardware level. | Jul 27 20:27 | |
| MinceR | you could write an article/public letter on this and point them to it | Jul 27 20:27 |
| MinceR | or prod someone (RMS?) to do it :) | Jul 27 20:28 |
| RMS has already done that | Jul 27 20:28 | |
| MinceR | oh. | Jul 27 20:28 |
| tessier_ | What would RMS have done? | Jul 27 20:28 |
| He proposed a public escrow of non free code or extending copyright for free works. | Jul 27 20:28 | |
| MinceR | maybe all that needs to be done is a link to be advertised to the Pirate Party. | Jul 27 20:28 |
| the Pirate Party resisted a special exception to copyright for free software | Jul 27 20:29 | |
| tessier_ | Extending copyright for free works won't fly. Defining "free" gets too complicated. And the rest of the world will have a cow over such preferential treatment. | Jul 27 20:29 |
| MinceR | what's their reasoning? | Jul 27 20:29 |
| I think they need to define what free software is and protect it. | Jul 27 20:29 | |
| fewa | they need to require registering of copyright in order to copyright binaries | Jul 27 20:29 |
| fewa | and that includes the source code | Jul 27 20:29 |
| fewa | otherwise all binaries are not copyrightable | Jul 27 20:30 |
| I don't think binaries or encrypted works should be covered by copyright at all, but that's another story. | Jul 27 20:30 | |
| fewa | I agree, thats what they should do | Jul 27 20:30 |
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| fewa | Binaries are purly functional, therefore not copyrightable | Jul 27 20:31 |
| The story for the Pirate Party needs to include an understanding of software freedom. | Jul 27 20:31 | |
| Software is a special case of artistic work. | Jul 27 20:31 | |
| fewa | Its functional work | Jul 27 20:31 |
| Without freedom, it does little good for people to receive the published code. | Jul 27 20:32 | |
| The public should only bother to enforce copyright for free software. | Jul 27 20:32 | |
| and it should be seen as an offense to violate people's software freedom by distributing free software without the the freedom. | Jul 27 20:33 | |
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| Copyright may still be useful to encourage commercial publication of artistic works, but it is unsuitable as it is for software freedom. | Jul 27 20:34 | |
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| schestowitz | Crying wolves < http://www.stefanoforenza.com/crying-wolves/ > | Jul 27 20:35 |
| tessier_ | Software is math. Math cannot be copyrighted/patented. | Jul 27 20:38 |
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| fewa | a thesis on math could be copyrighted with current standards of copyrightability | Jul 27 20:39 |
| fewa | on the basis of showing creativity | Jul 27 20:39 |
| you can get a layout copyright, perhaps. | Jul 27 20:39 | |
| fewa | the pure math underneath would not be copyrightable | Jul 27 20:39 |
| nor subject to patent | Jul 27 20:39 | |
| fewa | certainly not | Jul 27 20:40 |
| you might even get a copyright on the particular verbal expressions you used in your thesis, after all there's no one who would express it the same way you would. | Jul 27 20:40 | |
| The same thing can be said for software. | Jul 27 20:40 | |
| fewa | exactly | Jul 27 20:40 |
| fewa | but anybody with the time and energy to read it, understand it, and restate it in the own words, could legally do that | Jul 27 20:41 |
| Of course. | Jul 27 20:41 | |
| fewa | with no encumberances | Jul 27 20:41 |
| exactly | Jul 27 20:41 | |
| fewa | Thats copyright | Jul 27 20:42 |
| and good luck to them, but I'd rather they just shared than try to own. | Jul 27 20:42 | |
| that's what copyleft is about | Jul 27 20:42 | |
| it reduces effort and friction | Jul 27 20:42 | |
| fewa | Will there is a value in having their owrk not misrepresented | Jul 27 20:42 |
| fewa | and proper credit due | Jul 27 20:42 |
| those things can be taken care of with trademark | Jul 27 20:43 | |
| the way Mozilla does it. | Jul 27 20:43 | |
| The same thing can be said for any commercial use of free software. | Jul 27 20:43 | |
| fewa | in software, but trademark is a bit to much or an ordeal just to properly represent people | Jul 27 20:43 |
| fewa | and their individual work | Jul 27 20:43 |
| Other people can use and share the code but not claim to be you. | Jul 27 20:43 | |
| So, if you wanted to commercialize a free software drafting program, for example, you could just fork it and name it. | Jul 27 20:44 | |
| fewa | But yes, any persons name could be considered in a sense a trade mark, a form of misrepresentation | Jul 27 20:44 |
| fewa | which is BTW, fraud | Jul 27 20:45 |
| What you release is free software, but only your certified works can be called yours. | Jul 27 20:45 | |
| It's an honest business model that's just waiting to happen. | Jul 27 20:46 | |
| schestowitz | [what is Nokia doin'..? Nokia snaps up unified address book vendor < http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/07/27/nokia_cellity/ > ] | Jul 27 20:46 |
| bbl | Jul 27 20:46 | |
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| schestowitz | I'm not sure if AT&T says the truth. Maybe backlash had them reverse.. http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/07/27/att_censorship_block/ | Jul 27 20:47 |
| schestowitz | Taiwan consumer org 'froze' Dell bank account < http://www.channelregister.co.uk/2009/07/27/dell_frozen_bank_ac/ > | Jul 27 20:49 |
| schestowitz | Bad rap for Dell. | Jul 27 20:49 |
| schestowitz | A spokesman for AT&T said: | Jul 27 20:50 |
| schestowitz | Beginning Friday, an AT&T customer was impacted by a denial-of-service attack stemming from IP addresses connected to img.4chan.org. To prevent this attack from disrupting service for the impacted AT&T customer, and to prevent the attack from spreading to impact our other customers, AT&T temporarily blocked access to the IP addresses in question for our customers. | Jul 27 20:50 |
| schestowitz | This action was in no way related to the content at img.4chan.org; our focus was on protecting our customers from malicious traffic. Overnight Sunday, after we determined the denial-of-service threat no longer existed, AT&T removed the block on the IP addresses in question. We will continue to monitor for denial-of-service activity and any malicious traffic to protect our customers. | Jul 27 20:50 |
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| schestowitz | We spoke about Verizon earlier. They are going to cut another 8,000 jobs | Jul 27 20:51 |
| schestowitz | _Goblin: could you assist with the Wiki perhaps? | Jul 27 20:52 |
| _Goblin | Yep sure...It will have to be the weekend though....loads to do.... | Jul 27 20:52 |
| schestowitz | We need to list trolls, whom you've been tracking: http://boycottnovell.com/wiki/index.php/Drones_list | Jul 27 20:53 |
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| schestowitz | E.g. http://boycottnovell.com/wiki/index.php/Microsoft_Drones_examples | Jul 27 20:53 |
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| _Goblin | yep np | Jul 27 20:53 |
| schestowitz | Links back to posts of yours with details may help | Jul 27 20:53 |
| *schestowitz removes channel operator status from schestowitz | Jul 27 20:53 | |
| *schestowitz remembers that sebsebseb does not like ops | Jul 27 20:53 | |
| _Goblin | Ill start a list now, however you need to be aware there are some left off because of pending exposure. | Jul 27 20:54 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: what? | Jul 27 20:54 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: depends on who the ops are and the channal and such, your ok :) | Jul 27 20:54 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Spot the bias http://ping.fm/DOCQ5 | Jul 27 20:55 | |
| schestowitz | _Goblin: you can list suspects as suspects | Jul 27 20:55 |
| schestowitz | Evidence in posts might help people judge for themselves. Needless to say, those whom we expose dislike these lists | Jul 27 20:55 |
| _Goblin | yep, I will have to be careful with how I say it.....not a problem for users who have a handle. | Jul 27 20:55 |
| _Goblin | Moshe Goldfarb is a new one... | Jul 27 20:56 |
| _Goblin | although his COLA antics are just the tip of a rather dirty iceburg | Jul 27 20:56 |
| schestowitz | it's not a new one | Jul 27 20:57 |
| schestowitz | It's Gary Stewart | Jul 27 20:57 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] MP Andrew MacKinlay leaves in support of Gary 'Scapegoat' McKinnon http://ping.fm/IGjc8 | Jul 27 20:57 | |
| _Goblin | flatfish? | Jul 27 20:57 |
| schestowitz | http://colatrolls.blogspot.com/2009/02/doctor-smith.html | Jul 27 20:58 |
| schestowitz | http://colatrolls.blogspot.com/2008/01/moshe-goldfarb-troll.html | Jul 27 20:58 |
| schestowitz | It's all the same shill | Jul 27 20:58 |
| _Goblin | yeah I saw that....I also saw the one he did in response. | Jul 27 20:59 |
| schestowitz | http://www.blogicalthoughts.com/images/signs/994_signs.jpg | Jul 27 21:00 |
| schestowitz | _Goblin: does your NG reader have KFs? | Jul 27 21:00 |
| _Goblin | yep....filter anyway... | Jul 27 21:01 |
| schestowitz | http://app.businessweek.com/UserComments/combo_review;jsessionid=320931FE291F4F7C1CDB75CCE9FD5AC1?action=all&style=wide&productId=42411&productCode=spec | Jul 27 21:03 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.oracle.com/technologies/virtualization/paravirtualized-drivers.html Windows Paravirtualized (PV) Drivers Now Available for Oracle VM | Jul 27 21:25 |
| schestowitz | Here's the type of stuff that had me dump OS News. http://www.osnews.com/story/21897/Opera_Apple_Ubuntu_Should_Include_Browser_Ballot_Screen_Too Thom, as usual, ignores that fact the the EC offers punishments for crime, not just fair play | Jul 27 21:29 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.itbusinessedge.com/cm/blogs/bentley/geithner-bernanke-push-for-financial-services-oversight/?cs=34418 Geithner, Bernanke Push for Financial Services Oversight | Jul 27 21:45 |
| _goblin_ | Anyone here using Fedora? | Jul 27 21:48 |
| schestowitz | [news review] "Our verdict: Other distros are in danger of being outbuntu'd by this freedom loving, Gnome-centric star performer.9/10." http://www.tuxradar.com/content/reviewed-fedora-11 | Jul 27 21:49 |
| _goblin_ | Out ubuntu'd? | Jul 27 21:49 |
| schestowitz | Fedora | Jul 27 21:49 |
| _goblin_ | I looked at Fedora from a new users point of view..... | Jul 27 21:50 |
| _goblin_ | it failed...badly... | Jul 27 21:50 |
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| _goblin_ | I was doing another article on alternatives for the new user to Linux. | Jul 27 21:50 |
| _goblin_ | reason for fail: Almost immediately I had to get my hands dirty with the command line to get the NVidia drivers working....No good for a brand new Linux user....whose going to move from Windows for that? | Jul 27 21:51 |
| _goblin_ | as much as I dislike Ubuntu getting market share, you have to admit they've cracked the install process. | Jul 27 21:52 |
| _goblin_ | and I suppose the same goes for Mint.... | Jul 27 21:52 |
| _goblin_ | and Mandriva | Jul 27 21:52 |
| _goblin_ | and Mepis.....although Ill shut up for fear of boring the people here. | Jul 27 21:53 |
| _goblin_ | at the moment I am running Ubuntu 8.04 and Xchat....messing around with one of my other rigs. | Jul 27 21:54 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Currently playing with the latest build of Chromium ver 3.0.196.0 (0) Still there appears to be no flash (despite me hearing a rumour) | Jul 27 21:56 | |
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| schestowitz | Here is our fellow troll, cj : http://wp.colliertech.org/cj/?p=525 | Jul 27 21:59 |
| schestowitz | He is here to troll... former Microsofter. If he gets thrown out for being here to disrupt, then he starts whining. | Jul 27 21:59 |
| schestowitz | _goblin_: yes, Fedora can be hard for new users | Jul 27 22:00 |
| schestowitz | It tries not to go too far into blobs | Jul 27 22:00 |
| schestowitz | _goblin_: why not a newer Ubuntu? | Jul 27 22:00 |
| _goblin_ | Linux format raved about it like it was a gift from the gods and better for the new user.....(Fedora) | Jul 27 22:01 |
| _goblin_ | and in respect of 8.04, its a heavily modified ver for that particular rig. | Jul 27 22:01 |
| _goblin_ | its my devpac machine! | Jul 27 22:02 |
| schestowitz | Linux Format likes Fedora | Jul 27 22:02 |
| schestowitz | I don't know how I remember it, but things I read before (maybe their review of LXF of F10) that they love Fedora | Jul 27 22:02 |
| schestowitz | _goblin_: what does Ubuntu have that Mandriva hasn't? Synaptic? | Jul 27 22:03 |
| _goblin_ | Don't get me wrong, I thought it was good, although its easy to forget that for a new user many simple "fiddles" that we do can seem impossible to a new one. | Jul 27 22:03 |
| schestowitz | Use PCLOS say... then it's all slightly different, same packages though | Jul 27 22:03 |
| _goblin_ | Ubuntu is far more stable on that Rig. | Jul 27 22:03 |
| _goblin_ | and I hate KDE with a passion. | Jul 27 22:03 |
| _goblin_ | Ive only tollerated it recently because of Mepis. | Jul 27 22:04 |
| _goblin_ | Probably my favorite has to be Xfce then Gnome...then probably fluxbox or similar. | Jul 27 22:05 |
| schestowitz | KDE apps are good | Jul 27 22:05 |
| _goblin_ | true.... | Jul 27 22:05 |
| _goblin_ | Im desperately trying to think of the diskburning software I used to use. | Jul 27 22:05 |
| _goblin_ | k3b | Jul 27 22:06 |
| _goblin_ | great package | Jul 27 22:06 |
| _goblin_ | KDE though just seems...........cheap..... thats the best way I describe how I feel about it. | Jul 27 22:06 |
| _goblin_ | plastic, clunky.....all words I think of when using it. | Jul 27 22:07 |
| _goblin_ | Xfce now thats a different matter - lightweight.............. | Jul 27 22:07 |
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| schestowitz | Qt is expensive | Jul 27 22:12 |
| schestowitz | And high-end. My GUIs (dark dark colours) look really nice... since old versions of KDE. | Jul 27 22:12 |
| _goblin_ | I'm very impressed with the latest build of Chrome for Linux.. | Jul 27 22:15 |
| _goblin_ | infact I've followed the project from the beginning and its been very good so far. | Jul 27 22:15 |
| popey | _goblin_: is that using the google repo or the launchpad daily builds? | Jul 27 22:15 |
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| _goblin_ | daily builds. | Jul 27 22:16 |
| popey | its quick to start, thats for sure | Jul 27 22:16 |
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| _goblin_ | java text box input is far less slugish than even the latest FF build. | Jul 27 22:16 |
| _goblin_ | shame theres still no flash......I was told by someone that there was. | Jul 27 22:17 |
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| schestowitz | oiaohm: wb | Jul 27 22:17 |
| oiaohm | Hi schestowitz | Jul 27 22:17 |
| schestowitz | _goblin_: isn't Flash just plguable as an <object>? | Jul 27 22:18 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] I don't see the point of this article: http://ping.fm/mjT6y Written by two pro-Microsoft IDG reporters it smells just like more PR and r ... | Jul 27 22:18 | |
| schestowitz | FLash works fine with any browser that has the basic function that allows it | Jul 27 22:18 |
| _goblin_ | nope not with Chrome....yet.... | Jul 27 22:18 |
| schestowitz | Weird. | Jul 27 22:19 |
| schestowitz | Even Konqueror does it well for me | Jul 27 22:19 |
| schestowitz | I only use it for YouTUbe | Jul 27 22:19 |
| _goblin_ | The build Im running now is: 3.0.196.0 (0) (although the daily builds on my Volvix rig) and thats the same | Jul 27 22:20 |
| oiaohm | chome on what _goblin_ | Jul 27 22:20 |
| oiaohm | I was using chrome on windows the other day using flash. | Jul 27 22:20 |
| _goblin_ | Linux | Jul 27 22:20 |
| _goblin_ | I dont mean the crossover/Chrome I mean the native Linux ver. | Jul 27 22:21 |
| _goblin_ | Once flash is sorted, it will be bye bye FF. | Jul 27 22:21 |
| oiaohm | I don't know what will be sorted first. | Jul 27 22:22 |
| oiaohm | FF going multi process | Jul 27 22:22 |
| MinceR | http://www.codeweavers.com/about/general/press/20090724/ | Jul 27 22:22 |
| oiaohm | Or Chrome on Linux having flash. | Jul 27 22:22 |
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| _goblin_ | on the subject of Wine....just playing with the latest build of that too...... .26.....very good. | Jul 27 22:23 |
| _goblin_ | alot of nasty little DX hacks are supported now.... | Jul 27 22:23 |
| oiaohm | Test system on wine is working very good. | Jul 27 22:23 |
| oiaohm | Major regessions have been becoming less. | Jul 27 22:23 |
| _goblin_ | brb smoke | Jul 27 22:24 |
| schestowitz | What utter idiocy. http://mybroadband.co.za/news/Software/8948.html The headline contradicts what Microsoft says and calling some plugin for Moodle "significant" is amusing | Jul 27 22:26 |
| schestowitz | There are enough fools out there to give Microsoft PR in exchange for self-serving acts | Jul 27 22:26 |
| oiaohm | It is significant to provide something open source to test openchange.org | Jul 27 22:26 |
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| _goblin_ | quick little stat: FF (latest build) takes 4.3 seconds to render Twitter home page.......Chrome takes 2.1 seconds | Jul 27 22:32 |
| MinceR | and about 0.1 seconds would be excusable | Jul 27 22:32 |
| MinceR | but the web just has to have bloat | Jul 27 22:32 |
| cj | schestowitz: how am I disrupting? does questioning your motives count? | Jul 27 22:39 |
| cj | schestowitz: thanks for reading, though. | Jul 27 22:39 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] GNU/Linux Distribution Acts as a Security Gateway http://ping.fm/UB4jK | Jul 27 22:45 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Why Desktop GNU/Linux Still Has the Upper Hand http://ping.fm/5Eh6S | Jul 27 22:47 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Satire: Things That Vista Has and GNU/Linux Hasn't http://ping.fm/dzBqm | Jul 27 22:48 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Zoho Uses GNU/Linux and Free Software to Deliver Foggy Computing http://ping.fm/TeoJK | Jul 27 22:51 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Fedora 11 Receives 9/10 in Linux Format Review http://ping.fm/l0JTW | Jul 27 22:56 | |
| oiaohm | fedora 12 is looking at including true multiable users support to a single machine. | Jul 27 22:57 |
| oiaohm | many X11 servers each control there own video card. | Jul 27 22:57 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] Has anybody tried this burger? -> http://is.gd/1PrjJ | Jul 27 23:02 | |
| schestowitz | Is that the multiseat news? | Jul 27 23:02 |
| schestowitz | trmanco: at MacDonalds they try to monetise all the meat. | Jul 27 23:05 |
| trmanco | LOL | Jul 27 23:05 |
| trmanco | at least it looks like that | Jul 27 23:05 |
| schestowitz | Brain soup.. | Jul 27 23:05 |
| schestowitz | Eye slad. | Jul 27 23:06 |
| schestowitz | *salad | Jul 27 23:06 |
| schestowitz | It must be Angus Burger | Jul 27 23:06 |
| schestowitz | Here in the UK.. | Jul 27 23:06 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Syntext XML Editor Released as Free Software http://ping.fm/VM5SJ | Jul 27 23:07 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] Fwd: AT&T exposes /etc/passwd... bad PHP -... http://ff.im/5NIUM | Jul 27 23:13 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Google Wave Source Code is Released http://ping.fm/nJpOo | Jul 27 23:17 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] ♺ @schestowitz: Google Wave Source Code is Released http://ping.fm/nJpOo | Jul 27 23:20 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Amazon's DRM Scandal Not Over Yet http://ping.fm/5Q3xh http://ping.fm/sZ3sj | Jul 27 23:23 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Professor Nesson Stands up Against the MAFIAA http://ping.fm/YoIZi | Jul 27 23:25 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] [Why Linus Torvalds is Wrong About Microsoft http://ping.fm/6ftZr | Jul 27 23:30 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Windows-only Ransomware Fun http://ping.fm/KfYER | Jul 27 23:37 | |
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