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| schestowitz | JOHN MARKOFF... Blech | Jul 29 00:09 |
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| schestowitz | He's accused of playing the "Windows"="computer" card | Jul 29 00:09 |
| oiaohm | So Linux is playing the device card. | Jul 29 00:10 |
| oiaohm | So avoiding the Windows=computer problem. | Jul 29 00:10 |
| schestowitz | For a change, yeah... | Jul 29 00:14 |
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| oiaohm | Motherboard is a device get embed in there win. | Jul 29 00:15 |
| oiaohm | Just we need all motherboards shipping with Linux bioses bases then they can slowly grow into hardware maker distributions. | Jul 29 00:16 |
| tessier__ | tessier__ is really tessier. | Jul 29 00:17 |
| oiaohm | Disconnect fun tessier__? | Jul 29 00:17 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Microsoft Stresses Future Products While GNU/Linux and SaaS Eliminate Microsoft’s Profitability http://ping.fm/sq255 | Jul 29 00:24 | |
| fewa_ | Coreboot is win | Jul 29 00:30 |
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| mikankun | yeah I just wish it suported more motherboard or that one vendor would support it | Jul 29 00:30 |
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| fewa | its the most rational choice | Jul 29 00:31 |
| yuhong | BTW, if you want to know about what is the worst MS product, you should take a look at the first version of Expression Web. | Jul 29 00:32 |
| fewa | I dont know, microsoft Bob also sucked | Jul 29 00:32 |
| fewa | as well as W ME | Jul 29 00:32 |
| yuhong | http://www.geoffchappell.com/notes/exprwd/index.htm | Jul 29 00:32 |
| fewa | in fact, there are alot of sub-par Microsoft products | Jul 29 00:32 |
| yuhong | Yep, I am sure there are a lot of sub-par MS products, though I would not consider any version of Windows one of them. | Jul 29 00:33 |
| yuhong | Geoff Chappell disassembled it and found the many bugs. | Jul 29 00:35 |
| yuhong | In the first version of Expression Web. | Jul 29 00:35 |
| yuhong | And since MS just released an out-of-band patch for ATL, I am going to talk about a requirement for linking with LGPL libraries. | Jul 29 00:41 |
| yuhong | That requirement is basically that if you link proprietary software with LGPL libraries, there must be a way to modify the LGPL library. | Jul 29 00:44 |
| yuhong | One way is by dynamic linking to LGPL libraries. | Jul 29 00:44 |
| oiaohm | LGPL allows static linking as long as you are not altering the LGPL lib. | Jul 29 00:46 |
| yuhong | However way it is done, one of the benefits is that you don't have to wait for the vendor to relink the program with the patched libraries. | Jul 29 00:46 |
| yuhong | You can add security and other patches to the library yourselves. | Jul 29 00:47 |
| oiaohm | Yes and no. MS Dll hell. | Jul 29 00:47 |
| oiaohm | Problem here is patch library can break application too. Lack of clean update systems for dlls make care harder. | Jul 29 00:48 |
| yuhong | Yes, you certainly must be careful of that, if you are going to do it. | Jul 29 00:49 |
| oiaohm | Even Linux Distributions suffer from .so lag due to the way they do things. | Jul 29 00:49 |
| oiaohm | There is a big pardora box around all dynamic libraries that Windows Mac and Linux people like to ingnore. | Jul 29 00:49 |
| oiaohm | Basically we need vendors to more work with each other on the issues of libraries. | Jul 29 00:52 |
| yuhong | Yep, the fundamental problem behind "DLL hell can in theory can | Jul 29 00:54 |
| yuhong | Yep, the fundamental problem behind "DLL hell" can in theory happen on any OS that uses dynamic linking. | Jul 29 00:54 |
| yuhong | In fact, the ELF format can make things worse due to the fact that 2 versions of a shared library can't coexist in a process without symbol versioning. | Jul 29 00:56 |
| yuhong | http://pages.cs.wisc.edu/~psilord/blog/3.html | Jul 29 01:00 |
| *#boycottnovell :You need to be a channel operator to do that | Jul 29 01:03 | |
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| fewa | hmm | Jul 29 01:27 |
| M$'s most popular new product is Fail. | Jul 29 01:56 | |
| everyone loves to watch them fail. | Jul 29 01:57 | |
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| M$ Fail 3.0, everyone knows M$ gets it right on the third try. | Jul 29 02:03 | |
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| Konq won't remember my password. I'm close to giving up on comments at BN. | Jul 29 02:11 | |
| You might study the ration of normal comments to M$ Astroturf comments to see if passwording helped or harmed comments. | Jul 29 02:12 | |
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| It would be better to drop comments completely than leave it as a place for trolls. | Jul 29 02:13 | |
| he he, "Corporate Vice President of Corporate Communications" Is that like a double negative that cancels itself out to VP of Bullshit? | Jul 29 02:19 | |
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| good sys-con story, Roy. | Jul 29 02:32 | |
| Everything that touches M$ is filthy. | Jul 29 02:33 | |
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| ugufjhfj | huh | Jul 29 02:43 |
| ugufjhfj | wtf: http://pages.cs.wisc.edu/~psilord/blog/3.html I see nothing wrong in this, same thing happen on windows with DLL... | Jul 29 02:44 |
| *** twitter ignores person who projects Windows stupidity onto free software. | Jul 29 02:46 | |
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| upgrade tiem. | Jul 29 02:58 | |
| time | Jul 29 02:58 | |
| LOL, Windows Super computing http://it.slashdot.org/story/09/07/28/1958237/Sandia-Studies-Botnets-In-1M-OS-Digital-Petri-Dish | Jul 29 02:59 | |
| Sandia able to run 1M copies of Windoze without paying M$ for license. Uses it to simulate botnet. Sandia == US Nuclear Weapons Steward. | Jul 29 03:00 | |
| Windows is now considered weapon of Mass Destruction. | Jul 29 03:01 | |
| oiaohm | It is twitter | Jul 29 03:01 |
| oiaohm | The damage bot nets have done are massive. | Jul 29 03:01 |
| oiaohm | Designing counter measures having a test platform zone most likely will be useful. | Jul 29 03:02 |
| fewa_ | But its built on Linux | Jul 29 03:05 |
| fewa_ | + wine | Jul 29 03:05 |
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| oiaohm | Of course | Jul 29 03:07 |
| oiaohm | You would not want to run real windows viruses on a OS that cannot do containment. | Jul 29 03:07 |
| oiaohm | For testing things. | Jul 29 03:08 |
| right, no real gnu/linux virus exists outside of a lab. This one only exists because they made it act like Windows. | Jul 29 03:09 | |
| that's a good way to study the thing in relative safety | Jul 29 03:09 | |
| oiaohm | Not exactly true. | Jul 29 03:09 |
| kind of like you want to put nuclear weapons development in the middle of a desert | Jul 29 03:09 | |
| oiaohm | There is about 1 or 2 worm class viruses a year that appear in wild. | Jul 29 03:09 |
| Windows and nukes share a lot, you know. | Jul 29 03:09 | |
| oiaohm | For Linux. | Jul 29 03:09 |
| oiaohm | All of them die out in time. | Jul 29 03:10 |
| oiaohm | And most of the worms released on Linux don't operate on fully locked down Linux boxes. | Jul 29 03:11 |
| oiaohm | Something that is not true of Windows Machines. | Jul 29 03:11 |
| cubezzz | I saw something recently which was pretty nasty, "Perfect Defender" | Jul 29 03:12 |
| cubezzz | it pretends to be a virus checker but it itself is really malware | Jul 29 03:12 |
| oiaohm | Not a new stunt. | Jul 29 03:13 |
| oiaohm | First one of that type I saw for windows was 1994. | Jul 29 03:13 |
| oiaohm | Yep it was for windows 3.11 | Jul 29 03:13 |
| oiaohm | This is part of the problem computer world history is never taught. | Jul 29 03:14 |
| oiaohm | So people fall for the same tricks over and over again. | Jul 29 03:14 |
| such tricks are only required to steal a node from rival botnets. The first thing malware attempts to do is close the drive by exploit through with it arrived. | Jul 29 03:23 | |
| cubezzz | these guys were protected with AVG, I'm not sure where the rogue security thing originated | Jul 29 03:25 |
| We can be sure the good folks at Sandia will test out the dynamics of this kind of thing. My prediction is that all scenarios will quickly yield nearly total infection . | Jul 29 03:25 | |
| oiaohm | Antivirus software is only as good as it last update. | Jul 29 03:25 |
| cubezzz | on the other side of the coin, my fc1 box still works fine :) | Jul 29 03:26 |
| My Sarge boxes all work fine too, but they have also all been upgraded to Etch and now Lenny. | Jul 29 03:27 | |
| Free software is really cool like that. | Jul 29 03:27 | |
| oiaohm | There are a few secuirty flaws in fc1 that did allow remote exploit if using particular services. | Jul 29 03:28 |
| oiaohm | Updates of software does reduce risks. | Jul 29 03:29 |
| oiaohm | http://science.slashdot.org/story/09/07/28/1727250/Dye-Used-In-Blue-MampMs-Can-Lessen-Spinal-Injury Hmm a new way to colour change rats | Jul 29 03:32 |
| cubezzz | well, all my boxes are fedora 10 except for this one | Jul 29 03:37 |
| cubezzz | some older linux games don't work on fedora 10 | Jul 29 03:38 |
| oiaohm | This is the same kind of problem that has effected windows too | Jul 29 03:40 |
| oiaohm | Blocking the correct die off of versions. | Jul 29 03:41 |
| cubezzz | some of my customers actually still run win95 | Jul 29 03:42 |
| cubezzz | but I tell them to just completely disconnect from the internet :) | Jul 29 03:42 |
| oiaohm | I have a few still running windows 3.11 for a few speciallity programs. | Jul 29 03:43 |
| oiaohm | That don't manage to run in wine | Jul 29 03:43 |
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| fewa | 16 or 32 bit? | Jul 29 04:20 |
| Win95 never left the 16 bit world. | Jul 29 04:23 | |
| fewa | didnt do the same junk 16-32-bit as they are doing 32-to-64 bit | Jul 29 04:24 |
| fewa | ie more lock-in | Jul 29 04:24 |
| yeah, they stumbled through the transition for half a decade. | Jul 29 04:33 | |
| fewa | exactly what is oging to happen with 64-bit | Jul 29 04:33 |
| fewa | x96_64 | Jul 29 04:34 |
| M$ will implode before they manage to get to 64 bit. | Jul 29 04:35 | |
| None of their 64 bit stuff works and it never will. | Jul 29 04:35 | |
| They use it as a carrot to the "next" version of Windows, but the world won't abandon 32 bits so quickly. | Jul 29 04:36 | |
| people want low power chipsets | Jul 29 04:36 | |
| fewa | and they are stuck with x86-32 | Jul 29 04:37 |
| funny enough, Windows does not run on either set | Jul 29 04:37 | |
| fewa | if the use Windows | Jul 29 04:37 |
| i386 | Jul 29 04:37 | |
| We're talking about limits that were created in 1985 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I386 | Jul 29 04:39 | |
| holy crap | Jul 29 04:39 | |
| 25 year old technical limits and kludges around them. | Jul 29 04:39 | |
| I think most GNU/Linux distros made i586 the lowest common denominator five years ago. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I586 | Jul 29 04:40 | |
| That's only 15 years old. | Jul 29 04:40 | |
| Of course, GNU/Linux is compiled to dozens of specific chipsets. | Jul 29 04:41 | |
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| yuhong | From <http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/1585421391>: | Jul 29 05:40 |
| yuhong | "I was amazed and amused by the process our favorite software manufacturer used to minimize the allegations of monopoly. " | Jul 29 05:40 |
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| fewa | http://arstechnica.com/microsoft/news/2009/07/eu-vista-xp-users-will-also-get-to-vote-ie-off-the-island.ars | Jul 29 06:08 |
| fewa | EU Vista, XP users will also get to vote IE off the island | Jul 29 06:09 |
| Vista, XP users, ha. All three Vista users will take what Bill Gates gives them and love it. | Jul 29 06:10 | |
| How dare you intrude upon their bliss. | Jul 29 06:10 | |
| His Billness would be displeased. | Jul 29 06:11 | |
| fewa | "Furthermore, the company notes it will not use Windows Update to offer any new version of a Microsoft browser to users within the EEA unless Internet Explorer is turned on. The exception to this rule, Microsoft outlined, was that it can use Windows Update to update those portions of Internet Explorer "other than the browser frame window and menus." This appears to apply primarily to security updates, but also allows for updates to the re | Jul 29 06:12 |
| fewa | ndering engine." | Jul 29 06:12 |
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| Omar87 | Oh my God guys, did Microsoft reach a deal with Microsoft? | Jul 29 06:36 |
| Diablo-D3 | bill gates gave himself a handjob? what? | Jul 29 06:36 |
| Omar87 | http://www.marketwatch.com/story/microsoft-yahoo-search-deal-imminent-reports-2009-07-28 | Jul 29 06:37 |
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| Omar87 | Yahoo sucks big time!! | Jul 29 06:40 |
| Omar87 | I've had this expression about them for so long now! | Jul 29 06:40 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] VMware mess: This is properly anonymised, can I finally use some information to explain this to people. http://ping.fm/bsVH5 | Jul 29 08:13 | |
| MinceR | http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20090729 | Jul 29 08:20 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] How Microsoft Uses Linux Conference Sponsorships to Advance Its Agenda http://ping.fm/XEIRY | Jul 29 09:25 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[scientes] Newsweek reporter has no understanding of network economics http://techdirt.com/articles/20090727/0338195674.shtml | Jul 29 09:30 | |
| schestowitz | A large sign saying "United States" at a border crossing was deemed a security risk: http://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2009/07/large_signs_a_s.html | Jul 29 09:36 |
| schestowitz | Hollywood demands shuttering of Pirate Bay < http://community.zdnet.co.uk/blog/0,1000000567,10013317o-2000331777b,00.htm > | Jul 29 09:51 |
| schestowitz | Probably offshoring: Unisys pulls profit from 26% sales drop < http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/07/29/unisys_q2_2009_numbers/ > | Jul 29 09:52 |
| schestowitz | "If you believe Bill O'Reilly and Fox News, that is. They've been fond of claiming that that very liberal European nation's experiment with tolerance and personal freedom is a complete failure, that the Netherlands is collapsing in anarchy. So an Amsterdam resident made a short clip documenting cultural armageddon." | Jul 29 09:52 |
| schestowitz | http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/2009/07/amsterdam_is_a_cesspool_of_cor.php | Jul 29 09:52 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Landlord sues tenant over moldy Tweet < http://ping.fm/lxNuD >. This is ridiculous. What happened to freedom of expression? | Jul 29 09:55 | |
| schestowitz | Rich people's problems: http://www.readwriteweb.com/archives/internet_fridges.php | Jul 29 10:00 |
| schestowitz | EU countries ranked for 'influence potential' < http://www.euractiv.com/en/future-eu/eu-countries-ranked-influence-potential/article-184425 > | Jul 29 10:02 |
| schestowitz | Editorial: Chrysler Destroys Its Historical Archives; GM to Follow? < http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/editorial-chrysler-destroys-its-historical-archives-gm-to-follow/ > | Jul 29 10:05 |
| schestowitz | Western Digital Announces Pocket-Sized 1TB Drives http://blog.laptopmag.com/western-digital-announces-pocket-sized-1tb-drives | Jul 29 10:06 |
| schestowitz | Comets, not asteroids, to blame for moon's scarred face < http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn17520-comets-not-asteroids-to-blame-for-moons-scarred-face.html?DCMP=OTC-rss&nsref=online-news > | Jul 29 10:10 |
| schestowitz | Hackers attack MIFF site over Rebiya Kadeer movie < http://shanghaiist.com/2009/07/27/hackers_attack_miff_site_over_rebiy.php > | Jul 29 10:12 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Hotels.com Not Unique Enough To Get A Trademark < http://ping.fm/5g16n >. Trademarks on dictionary words should be banned. | Jul 29 10:15 | |
| schestowitz | Sued Over Twitter Message? Can You Defame Someone In 140 Characters Or Less? < http://techdirt.com/articles/20090728/1105525684.shtml >\ | Jul 29 10:17 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Twitter Launches New Homepage Design < http://bit.ly/daOf9 > About time... | Jul 29 10:20 | |
| oiaohm | Legally you can defame someone in under 40 chars. | Jul 29 10:40 |
| schestowitz | Or 20? | Jul 29 10:41 |
| schestowitz | Blip.tv Partners With YouTube, Roku < http://www.webpronews.com/topnews/2009/07/28/bliptv-partners-with-youtube-roku > Aren't they supposed to be competitors? | Jul 29 10:41 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: this person criticised AFAIK. That's not defamation if it's true. | Jul 29 10:41 |
| oiaohm | 20 is a little hard. Normally not directed enough. | Jul 29 10:42 |
| schestowitz | Nicaragua's ban on abortion 'compels rape and incest victims to give birth' http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/jul/27/nicaragua-blanket-ban-abortions-rape | Jul 29 10:45 |
| schestowitz | The Honduran Coup and the Clinton Connection < http://original.antiwar.com/justin/2009/07/26/the-honduran-coup-and-the-clinton-connection/ > | Jul 29 10:45 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] World will warm faster than predicted in next five years, study warns < http://ping.fm/twMtg > | Jul 29 10:49 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] IBM acquires application security specialists < http://ping.fm/ohfgJ > Now, that's INNOVA~1 | Jul 29 11:14 | |
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| schestowitz | Someone has just used confidential info I gave him to fight against "<vendor> recommends Windows". Nice activism... | Jul 29 11:47 |
| schestowitz | ASA should be notified too... it's illegal | Jul 29 11:47 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Obama supports the pharma cartel rather than support those in need of affordable drugs: http://ping.fm/NdNtd | Jul 29 12:00 | |
| schestowitz | Oracle sues Qtrax, claims P2P site owes $1.8 million < http://www.sfexaminer.com/opinion/columns/Timothy_Carney/Obama-the-drugmakers-profit-and-reform-51536012.html > | Jul 29 12:02 |
| schestowitz | Wow. Some major attack on FOSS: http://www.businessday.co.za/articles/Content.aspx?id=76916 | Jul 29 12:08 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] SCO case is getting funny. http://ping.fm/5V2AM | Jul 29 12:43 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] I just took "What color M&Ms are you?" and got: Blue M&Ms! Try it: http://bit.ly/DfiZM | Jul 29 13:08 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] I just took "What Piercing Are You?" and got: Tongue Piercing! Try it: http://bit.ly/EWEpD | Jul 29 13:11 | |
| schestowitz | Same ol mere: On a totally different note — Sexism in Free Software < http://blog.flameeyes.eu/2009/07/27/on-a-totally-different-note-sexism-in-free-software > | Jul 29 13:12 |
| schestowitz | *meme | Jul 29 13:12 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.itwire.com/content/view/26527/1090/ "He says just two people were working on the Sugar interface for most of the OLPC's existence - in other words, there were no resources diverted from the operating system work to code for the UI. He blames the failure of the operating system on the hardware which the project chose to use." | Jul 29 13:16 |
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| tacone | ms-yahoo agreement ? | Jul 29 13:33 |
| schestowitz | The cronies at Yahoo want to smoke the pipe of peace with Microsoft | Jul 29 13:33 |
| schestowitz | Bong | Jul 29 13:34 |
| schestowitz | Yahoo! is taking instructions from Microsoft now. Icahn, Bartzmer, etc. | Jul 29 13:34 |
| tacone | yahoo to use bing as search technology ? | Jul 29 13:35 |
| trmanco | http://www.softwarefreedom.org/blog/2009/jul/29/microsoft-gpl/ | Jul 29 13:35 |
| tacone | that's crazy. it's like using a wooden engine on a ferrari | Jul 29 13:36 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] 1 Million 'Copies' of GNU/Linux Simulate Microsoft's Damage on the Internet http://ping.fm/tsuu2 http://ping.fm/vNoLK | Jul 29 13:39 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Why GNU/Linux is More Secure by Design http://ping.fm/v7Jz8 | Jul 29 13:44 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Everything Linux Lives on http://ping.fm/2T984 | Jul 29 13:44 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Five Things That GNU/Linux Has Today and Vista 7 Won't Have Even Tomorrow http://ping.fm/ud1Kg | Jul 29 13:50 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Evolution of GNU/Linux from Baby Steps in the 90s to the Spinning Spheres of Today http://ping.fm/EMSvS | Jul 29 13:53 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] GNU/Linux-only Shops Reap the Benefit of Overwhelming Demand http://ping.fm/u94FQ | Jul 29 13:56 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Kernel Made Faster in Ultra X Linux http://ping.fm/tmiOS | Jul 29 14:00 | |
| tacone | seems the italian newspapers got it wrong. it's MS to use yahoo search technologies | Jul 29 14:14 |
| tacone | bing smells | Jul 29 14:14 |
| schestowitz | Yahoo should have sued Microsoft in 2008 | Jul 29 14:16 |
| schestowitz | The whole thing is a proxy fight | Jul 29 14:16 |
| schestowitz | They also tanked Yang | Jul 29 14:16 |
| schestowitz | *yanked | Jul 29 14:16 |
| schestowitz | Mafia tactics | Jul 29 14:16 |
| tacone | yahoo shareholders loved the ms proposal | Jul 29 14:17 |
| tacone | not easy to sue | Jul 29 14:17 |
| schestowitz | Some of them are MSFT investors | Jul 29 14:18 |
| schestowitz | And investors!=customer | Jul 29 14:18 |
| schestowitz | *mers | Jul 29 14:18 |
| tacone | first news http://www.repubblica.it/ | Jul 29 14:20 |
| tacone | third news http://www.corriere.it/ | Jul 29 14:21 |
| trmanco | http://www.choicevalueinnovation.com/thedeal/ | Jul 29 14:21 |
| says who ? -> tacone: yahoo shareholders loved the ms proposal | Jul 29 14:21 | |
| trmanco | didn't Google do this? | Jul 29 14:21 |
| trmanco | something like the page above? before it got pressured from MS? | Jul 29 14:21 |
| I'd be really pissed if I had Yahoo shares. | Jul 29 14:21 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Debian Changes Its Release Policy http://ping.fm/8yvve http://ping.fm/SRgxm | Jul 29 14:21 | |
| M$ has ruined them. | Jul 29 14:21 | |
| tacone | me says | Jul 29 14:22 |
| tacone | an overpriced offer is always welcome | Jul 29 14:22 |
| you spun. | Jul 29 14:22 | |
| trmanco | http://searchengineland.com/its-finally-official-microsoft-yahoo-make-a-deal-yahoo-gives-up-on-search-23197 | Jul 29 14:22 |
| tacone | let's wait for the anti-trust to say theirs | Jul 29 14:23 |
| schestowitz | Haha | Jul 29 14:23 |
| schestowitz | Which one? | Jul 29 14:23 |
| schestowitz | The one Microsoft owns? | Jul 29 14:23 |
| tacone | would be weird if they opposed the yahoo-google agreement but bless the ms agreement. | Jul 29 14:23 |
| So, M$ will take Yahoo down with them. Sad. | Jul 29 14:23 | |
| schestowitz | You'd need to get the Secret Services to crack down on puppet regijmes | Jul 29 14:23 |
| It's funny that article says "Yahoo gives up on search" when it's M$ that can't make any headway. | Jul 29 14:25 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Microsoft Hijacks Yahoo and DOJ Using Cronies to Buy Market Share http://ping.fm/O0hJm | Jul 29 14:25 | |
| M$ will ruin Yahoo search they way they ruined hotmail and everything else they touch. | Jul 29 14:26 | |
| popey | schestowitz: that ultra x linux you posted a link to seems... pointless :S | Jul 29 14:27 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] A Cursory Look at the Latest Knoppix GNU/Linux http://ping.fm/9XLua | Jul 29 14:27 | |
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| popey | schestowitz: they released back in april and as far as I can see the only thing they did was add flash (naughty, license doesn't allow that), sun virtualbox (why!?) and tmpcleaner which seems to resolve an issue only _they_ have.. | Jul 29 14:28 |
| popey | very strange | Jul 29 14:28 |
| schestowitz | popey: this? http://www.downloadtube.com/blog/2009/07/28/ultra-x-linux-ubuntu-with-a-faster-kernel/ | Jul 29 14:28 |
| popey | yes | Jul 29 14:28 |
| schestowitz | HMmmmmmm..... | Jul 29 14:28 |
| popey | it never ceases to amaze me what pointless "enhancements" people can come up with as a reason to make a fully separate derivative distro | Jul 29 14:29 |
| popey | if they have some fantastic crack that should be in ubuntu, then join the ubuntu community and make the case for including it.. | Jul 29 14:29 |
| popey | making a 1.7G ISO image to achieve that seems crack fuelled at best | Jul 29 14:29 |
| popey | ah well | Jul 29 14:29 |
| popey | got that off my chest :) | Jul 29 14:29 |
| popey | ignore me | Jul 29 14:30 |
| schestowitz | Heh. Well, that's the nature of it | Jul 29 14:31 |
| schestowitz | If people can only receive but not make, then where's the power? | Jul 29 14:31 |
| popey | just because you can, doesn't mean you should. | Jul 29 14:34 |
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| *tacone1 hands popey the download link of his LOLcats Ubuntu Remix. just 800Mb download | Jul 29 14:34 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] ARM-based Sub-notebooks with GNU/Linux Cost Just £90 http://ping.fm/UwYr1 | Jul 29 14:35 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] H-P should offer a distribution other than the Microsoft-taxed Ballnux (SUSE): http://ping.fm/DCA00 | Jul 29 14:37 | |
| Ha ha. I read the Hannah Montana Linux review and think that it would be good for an 8 year old girl I know. | Jul 29 14:40 | |
| Free software has something for everyone. | Jul 29 14:41 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Interview with Stephen Carlyle-Smith Touches on Free Software and Gaming http://ping.fm/kSVAY | Jul 29 14:42 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] The Relationships Between Free Software and Fog Computing Studied http://ping.fm/e3iUu http://ping.fm/qtdaz | Jul 29 14:44 | |
| trmanco | http://www.h-online.com/security/Adobe-and-Cisco-extensions-vulnerable-to-Microsoft-s-ATL-problems--/news/113870 | Jul 29 14:45 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] The FSF Recruits Young Men to Spread Free(dom) Software http://ping.fm/ORoe4 | Jul 29 14:53 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Adoption of Free Software Sharing and Philosophy Now in Education http://ping.fm/zgRkh http://ping.fm/xnBeg http://ping.fm/l5wzz | Jul 29 14:59 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] Daily Mash: Doctor Who Fans Reminded That It's For Children http://is.gd/1SKSS | Jul 29 15:06 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Oracle Joins the Assault on P2P Services http://ping.fm/GmkTs | Jul 29 15:11 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Microsoft-funded Patent Aggressor (Blackboard) Loses Its Gun http://ping.fm/svIhY http://ping.fm/mKr4v http://ping.fm/bBlUH | Jul 29 15:11 | |
| Ah! VistA, the free software, is infiltrated? -> Calling it a "very significant event. Not only does this add GUI-scheduling, it also enables .Net client programming." | Jul 29 15:12 | |
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| http://worldvista.org/news2/houston-confirms-vista-gui-scheduling-has-landed | Jul 29 15:12 | |
| no wonder it's "teaming with bugs" | Jul 29 15:13 | |
| schestowitz | twitter: yes, I heard that | Jul 29 15:13 |
| schestowitz | Someone told me some weeks ago that VIstA was infiltrated | Jul 29 15:13 |
| they must want to use Winblows terminals. | Jul 29 15:13 | |
| schestowitz | Something like that | Jul 29 15:13 |
| schestowitz | I know someone who's looking into that | Jul 29 15:13 |
| good | Jul 29 15:14 | |
| schestowitz | Microsoft tries to do to everything what it did to Yahoo | Jul 29 15:14 |
| schestowitz | VMware, OSI... | Jul 29 15:14 |
| Eruaran | hello | Jul 29 15:14 |
| schestowitz | It's like a religion | Jul 29 15:14 |
| it's organized crime | Jul 29 15:14 | |
| schestowitz | We have one of those gangsters here in IRC | Jul 29 15:14 |
| schestowitz | He goes by the name 'cj' | Jul 29 15:14 |
| I mostly ignore them, they are all very rude. | Jul 29 15:14 | |
| Eruaran | Does anyone have an opinion of Zimbra ? | Jul 29 15:14 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Propagandists Create the Word "Biopiracy" (Growing of Crops=Raping and Murdering) http://ping.fm/KH8yd | Jul 29 15:15 | |
| nice | Jul 29 15:15 | |
| bbl | Jul 29 15:15 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Intellectual Monopoly Heads Show Their Total Hypocrisy, Irrationality http://ping.fm/tKcQm | Jul 29 15:17 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] HSBC Declares Itself a Puppet of the Abusive Monopolist (Avoid HSBC) http://ping.fm/ITLTJ | Jul 29 15:18 | |
| trmanco | http://blog.magicaltux.net/2009/07/29/yahoo-going-closer-to-microsoft-rasmus-reaction/ | Jul 29 15:20 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Russian Anti-monopoly Agency Investigates Microsoft's SUb-notebooks Abuses as More Potentially Appear http://ping.fm/PdKic | Jul 29 15:20 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] SFLC Reminds People That Microsoft Attacks People's Freedom http://ping.fm/X3BPK | Jul 29 15:23 | |
| Eruaran | Yahoo can't save Microsoft | Jul 29 15:35 |
| Eruaran | And if Yahoo gets too close to Microsoft, no doubt Microsoft will want to kill off Zimbra. | Jul 29 15:36 |
| Eruaran | The pro Microsoft camp within Yahoo are idiots. | Jul 29 15:37 |
| Eruaran | Its like saying, "Hey look, the Titanic has hit an iceberg, lets get on board !" | Jul 29 15:37 |
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| mikankun | hey roy that link for the oracle p2p story links to an article about obama and health reform | Jul 29 16:06 |
| schestowitz | mikankun: true, that's odd | Jul 29 16:08 |
| schestowitz | Use this: | Jul 29 16:09 |
| schestowitz | http://news.cnet.com/8301-1023_3-10296693-93.htmlhttp://news.cnet.com/8301-1023_3-10296693-93.html | Jul 29 16:09 |
| schestowitz | http://news.cnet.com/8301-1023_3-10296693-93.html | Jul 29 16:09 |
| mikankun | thanks | Jul 29 16:09 |
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| Eruaran | I have a sudden urge to play... wait for it... the original Syndicate | Jul 29 16:15 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] ♺ @sjvn: Night of the living Yahoo: http://digg.com/d3yzFw?t Instead of buying Yahoo, Microsoft has turned Yahoo into a Microsoft zombie. | Jul 29 16:42 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] HSBC, a Participant in Microsoft’s Linux Racket, Snubs Firefox, GNU/Linux, and Mac Users http://ping.fm/2Rd5F | Jul 29 16:51 | |
| Eruaran | http://lh3.ggpht.com/_fAKphEbiv3o/SlK_snbqN8I/AAAAAAAABDk/oLIb1LVMdYM/s800/snapshot1.png | Jul 29 16:57 |
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| schestowitz | KDE4 looks good | Jul 29 17:14 |
| *cj_ is now known as cj | Jul 29 17:28 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Microsoft’s Proxy Fight Against Yahoo! Turns it to Puppet State http://ping.fm/6IspL | Jul 29 17:30 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] 21 in Dog Years is Old Enough (Pic): http://digg.com/d3ywZF?t | Jul 29 17:31 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] working out what this looks like for #wikipedia http://is.gd/1SW5H we discourage n00bs differently | Jul 29 17:47 | |
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| schestowitz | trmanco: it's good to see that Digg is still a 'news' site | Jul 29 18:13 |
| trmanco | I still use it | Jul 29 18:13 |
| trmanco | it's not all about GNU/Linux | Jul 29 18:13 |
| trmanco | I like the "design" cat too | Jul 29 18:13 |
| schestowitz | It's c cute photo, but it's the type of stuff which makes Digg borderline 4chan | Jul 29 18:14 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] More Linux and Open Source Infiltrations from Microsoft http://ping.fm/JOcWl | Jul 29 18:15 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Microsoft’s Extend-and-Extinguish with ActiveX is Blowing Up in Rival Vendors’ Faces http://ping.fm/AZSkn | Jul 29 18:42 | |
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| sebsebseb | hi | Jul 29 18:49 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] playing ripped DVDs over the house network works well and gets less marmite on the DVDs | Jul 29 19:10 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Who is Mono good for? It is good for Microsoft. http://ping.fm/gogb2 | Jul 29 19:12 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] my weird meter just pegged again. http://tr.im/uCXv (NSFW) HT @denny | Jul 29 19:20 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Why is Acer Curtailing Its Linux Efforts? http://ping.fm/424Kt | Jul 29 19:50 | |
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| aeshna23 | I'm wondering what we think about Yahoo using Bing? So far, I've just got to the point of being disappointed, but no analysis. | Jul 29 19:58 |
| Say goodbye to Yahoo | Jul 29 19:59 | |
| schestowitz | I haven't read much about it | Jul 29 19:59 |
| trmanco | at least the search part | Jul 29 19:59 |
| trmanco | can't say goodbye to everything | Jul 29 19:59 |
| tacone | i won't notice the difference. | Jul 29 20:00 |
| schestowitz | Where is DOJ? | Jul 29 20:01 |
| schestowitz | Where is Google? | Jul 29 20:01 |
| schestowitz | Can it make a complaint? | Jul 29 20:01 |
| schestowitz | Can Yang? Ha! | Jul 29 20:01 |
| tacone | for sure it's not over yet. | Jul 29 20:02 |
| schestowitz | "Lunduke's trolling is a never ending cycle. " http://www.fsdaily.com/Community/Richard_Stallman_Bringer_Of_Doom#comment-4975 | Jul 29 20:05 |
| schestowitz | Wow. -16 (page score) | Jul 29 20:05 |
| schestowitz | Never seen anything less than like -4 | Jul 29 20:05 |
| aeshna23 | Sorry. I got a phone call. It seems that Yahoo is going to use Bing for search results. | Jul 29 20:06 |
| tacone | lunduke never ceases of amaze me | Jul 29 20:07 |
| aeshna23 | The obstacle to Google being a monopoly is another monopoly that I don't like. | Jul 29 20:07 |
| trmanco | I don't see anyone being forced to use google | Jul 29 20:08 |
| schestowitz | Speaking UNIX: Man oh man < http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/aix/library/au-spunix_manpages/ > | Jul 29 20:08 |
| schestowitz | trmanco: +1 | Jul 29 20:08 |
| schestowitz | Yahoo! was pretty decent | Jul 29 20:08 |
| trmanco | unlike some of microsoft's tecnologies | Jul 29 20:08 |
| trmanco | was* | Jul 29 20:08 |
| trmanco | yeah | Jul 29 20:08 |
| schestowitz | I used it a few times when Google didn't catch pages I was looking for | Jul 29 20:08 |
| trmanco | before google appeared | Jul 29 20:09 |
| *schestowitz prepared to delete some Yahoo new feeds | Jul 29 20:09 | |
| schestowitz | *news | Jul 29 20:09 |
| trmanco | I never really used yahoo, not my time :-P | Jul 29 20:09 |
| schestowitz | Is it all final? | Jul 29 20:09 |
| trmanco | but people tell me the it was full of ads | Jul 29 20:09 |
| trmanco | Don't know | Jul 29 20:09 |
| schestowitz | Will Yahoo! be /dev/nulled to MSFT? | Jul 29 20:09 |
| trmanco | I think they need "aproval" | Jul 29 20:09 |
| schestowitz | I ask because... | Jul 29 20:09 |
| trmanco | approval * | Jul 29 20:09 |
| aeshna23 | but it is slightly disturbing to be confronted with a monopoly. even one that seems benign for now. | Jul 29 20:10 |
| schestowitz | I'bve heard these rumours since Feb 2008 | Jul 29 20:10 |
| tacone | schestowitz: it will symlink /dev/bing | Jul 29 20:10 |
| schestowitz | I'm tired of these false alarms | Jul 29 20:10 |
| trmanco | w00t | Jul 29 20:10 |
| trmanco | more like add a shortcut to c:/windows/system32 | Jul 29 20:10 |
| schestowitz | tacone: mkdir /dev/null/bing | Jul 29 20:10 |
| schestowitz | No error message generated I gather | Jul 29 20:10 |
| schestowitz | tacone: \ | Jul 29 20:11 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft gets it slashes wrong | Jul 29 20:11 |
| schestowitz | Oops, * trmanco | Jul 29 20:11 |
| trmanco | ah crap | Jul 29 20:11 |
| trmanco | not use to windows any more | Jul 29 20:11 |
| schestowitz | Gobo Linux | Jul 29 20:11 |
| trmanco | c:\windows\system32 | Jul 29 20:11 |
| trmanco | I haven't touched a windows box in 2 months | Jul 29 20:12 |
| fewa | Microsoft hs always been agressive against Yahoo | Jul 29 20:12 |
| aeshna23 | gobo linux has a good idea, but enough to create a distro? | Jul 29 20:12 |
| schestowitz | Automated spam translation keeps global spam rates near 90% < http://www.net-security.org/secworld.php?id=7805 > | Jul 29 20:12 |
| schestowitz | Wow. 'Only' 90%? | Jul 29 20:12 |
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| _goblin | hi all | Jul 29 20:13 |
| trmanco | hello | Jul 29 20:13 |
| _goblin | anything happening? | Jul 29 20:14 |
| trmanco | yeah | Jul 29 20:14 |
| trmanco | the microhoo!!111! thing | Jul 29 20:14 |
| _goblin | Ive been referenced on a link on Wikipedia (regarding Bing) | Jul 29 20:15 |
| _goblin | does that make my blog famous? ;) | Jul 29 20:15 |
| schestowitz | MSBBC glamorises Yahoo!'s sellout: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/8174838.stm | Jul 29 20:21 |
| schestowitz | And the BBC quotes its OWN crony from Microsoft (highfield). This is priceless | Jul 29 20:22 |
| schestowitz | Windows Mobile becomes Windows Phone < http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/1495570/windows-mobile-windows-phone > | Jul 29 20:24 |
| schestowitz | SAP spins out optimistic outlook as Q2 sales fall 10% < http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/07/29/sap_q2_results/ > | Jul 29 20:27 |
| schestowitz | AOL's pulse slows as Q2 revs slip 24% < http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/07/29/aol_q2_results/ > | Jul 29 20:29 |
| schestowitz | "Wikispaces being removed from SourceForge.net 2009-07-30" | Jul 29 20:30 |
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| *schestowitz deletes 6 RSS feeds from Yahoo | Jul 29 20:35 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] I've just officially dumpd Yahoo News search (RSS). Good riddance. Microsoft's partner Bartzmer has sold out, just as she was supposed to. | Jul 29 20:37 | |
| schestowitz | If you want to see how Sys-Con spams Google News, scroll down in this page: http://dotnet.sys-con.com/node/1047832 | Jul 29 20:38 |
| fewa | end of day release? | Jul 29 20:46 |
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| trmanco | http://it.slashdot.org/story/09/07/28/1958237/Sandia-Studies-Botnets-In-1M-OS-Digital-Petri-Dish?art_pos=8 | Jul 29 21:07 |
| schestowitz | Old by now, no...? | Jul 29 21:10 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[scientes] Debian decides to adopt time-based release freezes http://bit.ly/6xFzB | Jul 29 21:13 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[scientes] Apple argues for security through obscurity http://is.gd/1TbS1 http://is.gd/1TbTb | Jul 29 21:21 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] SCO Lies About Hans Bayer http://ping.fm/8e5US | Jul 29 21:44 | |
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| parolang | God! Lefty's turned into such a troll! | Jul 29 22:18 |
| parolang | Sorry, but I just had to vent/ | Jul 29 22:18 |
| schestowitz | Hey.. | Jul 29 22:21 |
| schestowitz | I just had someone show me a comment. | Jul 29 22:21 |
| schestowitz | I have a great deal of information on the long, sordid history of | Jul 29 22:21 |
| schestowitz | David "Lefty" Schlesinger aka "stonemirror" ie his sexist articles on | Jul 29 22:21 |
| schestowitz | 'encyclopediadramatica' and also his many calculated campaigns of | Jul 29 22:21 |
| schestowitz | harassment and stalking. This is all backed up with impeccable evidence | Jul 29 22:21 |
| schestowitz | including the who-is registration of harassment sites with | Jul 29 22:21 |
| schestowitz | Schlesinger's own civil name and contact information. "Lefty" has a | Jul 29 22:21 |
| schestowitz | long, long history on the internet of making threats of violence, | Jul 29 22:21 |
| schestowitz | lawsuits and extortion demands - in one case he demanded $5,000 for | Jul 29 22:21 |
| schestowitz | every menacing email he sent that was published. I also have several | Jul 29 22:21 |
| schestowitz | recent threatening emails Schlesinger sent me, with headers proving | Jul 29 22:21 |
| schestowitz | their origins. I can post it here, but I won't do that w/o the blog | Jul 29 22:21 |
| schestowitz | owner's permission. Anyone can have this evidence who wishes to ask for | Jul 29 22:21 |
| schestowitz | it, email sandylaphon@gmail.com . RMS has seen this material, and he | Jul 29 22:21 |
| schestowitz | endorsed it as a complaint to the Gnome Foundation. Stormy Peters of | Jul 29 22:21 |
| schestowitz | the Gnome Foundation refused to take any action on the matter, and she | Jul 29 22:21 |
| schestowitz | or someone at the GF shared the complaint with Schlesinger who | Jul 29 22:21 |
| schestowitz | immediately responded to it with extremely ugly threats, and also | Jul 29 22:21 |
| schestowitz | gloating that the headers of that email gave him new contact | Jul 29 22:21 |
| schestowitz | information to pursue his threats with. David "Lefty" Schlesinger is a | Jul 29 22:21 |
| schestowitz | dangerous lunatic. | Jul 29 22:21 |
| parolang | You mean his attacking BKuhn now? | Jul 29 22:21 |
| schestowitz | That's from http://thebeezspeaks.blogspot.com/2009/07/free-open-source-software-evangelist.html BTW | Jul 29 22:22 |
| schestowitz | The comments there are fascinating | Jul 29 22:22 |
| schestowitz | "Update: Although he comes from "a family of lawyers", "Lefty" admits breaking the law by publishing Richard Stallman's emails. In short, his daddy might have some pro deo work on his hands in the near future if RMS decides to sue him. Go get 'em, Dick! " | Jul 29 22:22 |
| parolang | I'll check it out. | Jul 29 22:22 |
| schestowitz | There's also something about CHani | Jul 29 22:22 |
| schestowitz | She did not complain about RMS in her blog | Jul 29 22:22 |
| schestowitz | Basically, he's raking dirt | Jul 29 22:23 |
| schestowitz | On anyone who opposes himmm.... | Jul 29 22:23 |
| schestowitz | SFLC, FSF, RMS... | Jul 29 22:23 |
| parolang | It really wouldn't surprise me though if RMS believed that his emails could be distributed however you want. That's his way. | Jul 29 22:23 |
| schestowitz | They like GPLv3 and they don't like TiVoisation | Jul 29 22:23 |
| parolang | Yeah, I don't even check his blog. | Jul 29 22:24 |
| schestowitz | parolang: some people speak to RMS about it | Jul 29 22:24 |
| schestowitz | "RMS told me in email he isn't even interested in speaking about any of this 'sexism'/emails controversy, he says it will only draw more attention to it. | Jul 29 22:24 |
| schestowitz | " | Jul 29 22:24 |
| parolang | schestowitz: That's true. | Jul 29 22:24 |
| schestowitz | It's easy to collect some dirt on RMS | Jul 29 22:24 |
| schestowitz | Just see his political site | Jul 29 22:24 |
| schestowitz | Stallman.org | Jul 29 22:24 |
| schestowitz | ALl of that is BESIDE the point of software | Jul 29 22:24 |
| schestowitz | His views on religion too | Jul 29 22:25 |
| schestowitz | He calls religion "brain-virus' IIRC | Jul 29 22:25 |
| parolang | Well, it seems pretty clear that RMS has some kind of autism, and that explains the speech at the conference. | Jul 29 22:25 |
| schestowitz | Thus the parody | Jul 29 22:25 |
| schestowitz | Making fun of Cult of Virgin Mary | Jul 29 22:25 |
| parolang | right | Jul 29 22:25 |
| schestowitz | I'd rather not talk about people, though | Jul 29 22:25 |
| schestowitz | The comment aboveis revealing though | Jul 29 22:25 |
| fewa | people...WHO CARES | Jul 29 22:26 |
| schestowitz | Seems as though the bullying and Internet Antic go a long way back | Jul 29 22:26 |
| schestowitz | Litigious biases and alll... | Jul 29 22:26 |
| schestowitz | I don't go into it | Jul 29 22:26 |
| fewa | ignore the trolls. | Jul 29 22:26 |
| fewa | personal stuff is the thing of trolls | Jul 29 22:26 |
| schestowitz | I don't reply to him comment, I want nothing to do with him and his false accusations | Jul 29 22:26 |
| schestowitz | *his | Jul 29 22:26 |
| schestowitz | *his comments | Jul 29 22:27 |
| parolang | fewa: I don't usually care except when it pisses me off and this guy's blog has a place on planet gnome. | Jul 29 22:27 |
| fewa | ahh | Jul 29 22:27 |
| fewa | then just do some nice rouncing and showing his hypocricy, etc | Jul 29 22:27 |
| schestowitz | SFLC and GNU paid no attention to it | Jul 29 22:27 |
| schestowitz | But it doesn't matter | Jul 29 22:27 |
| schestowitz | They get picked on merely for expressing rational views | Jul 29 22:27 |
| schestowitz | Such as the VERY SIMPLE FACT that Microsoft violated the GPL | Jul 29 22:27 |
| fewa | exactly, always focus on the rational | Jul 29 22:28 |
| parolang | I was just reading planet gnome, everyone else is talking about technical stuff, interesting stuff, and he keeps popping up with anti-fsf/sflc/etc fud. | Jul 29 22:28 |
| fewa | always attach those things that are irrational | Jul 29 22:28 |
| schestowitz | That correct statement too gets used against them | Jul 29 22:28 |
| fewa | *attack | Jul 29 22:28 |
| schestowitz | ANd parody is not permitted either | Jul 29 22:28 |
| schestowitz | It will be cast as seriousness | Jul 29 22:28 |
| schestowitz | Anyway, let's change subject.. | Jul 29 22:28 |
| fewa | parolang, there is a name for it. You repeat their words, and for every paragraph/sentence show how their views are retarted | Jul 29 22:28 |
| fewa | if they indeed are | Jul 29 22:28 |
| fewa | it shows who the real fool is | Jul 29 22:29 |
| parolang | schestowitz: Have you read the comments on lefty's latest blog post? I guess he thinks bkuhn is wrong for saying that MS violated the GPL. Turns out he's churning out a semantic debate where in his language there's difference between compliance issues and violation issues :( | Jul 29 22:29 |
| schestowitz | parolang: he cen sors comments IIRC | Jul 29 22:29 |
| schestowitz | So comments there would be yes men perhaps | Jul 29 22:29 |
| schestowitz | I'm not sure. | Jul 29 22:29 |
| schestowitz | Someone mailed me about it | Jul 29 22:30 |
| parolang | schestowitz: No, bkuhn commented on his blog too. And there were a couple other people disagreeing with him. | Jul 29 22:30 |
| parolang | schestowitz: But I'm not really worried though. There are enough people in the fs/gnome community who understand the GPL, and will realize that he's just being obnoxious. | Jul 29 22:31 |
| parolang | fewa: nah, I'm not going to win by trying to mock him | Jul 29 22:31 |
| fewa | ok, then ignore him | Jul 29 22:31 |
| parolang | Pretty much what I'm doing :) | Jul 29 22:31 |
| parolang | Except for this vent. | Jul 29 22:31 |
| fewa | ah, ok | Jul 29 22:32 |
| schestowitz | http://psychocats.net/ubuntu/remastersys | Jul 29 22:33 |
| trmanco | why google is so loved: | Jul 29 22:36 |
| trmanco | "They created Google. Regardless of the silly spelling mistake, you may have heard of it: you type a sentence in their web page, and you magically get a list of relevant pages as a result… you should check it out if you haven’t yet. Although Google is not a free software company, and a lot of their software is indeed proprietary, they still released vast amount of free software and (more importantly) contributed to the creation of free standa | Jul 29 22:36 |
| trmanco | rds that are free software friendly (think of OpenSocial vs. Facebook, or Android vs iPhone/Windows Mobile)." | Jul 29 22:36 |
| schestowitz | Google doesn't threaten people for their software choices | Jul 29 22:38 |
| parolang | Google's a mixed basket. I reserve judgment until we hear more about Google/Linux. | Jul 29 22:38 |
| schestowitz | Its services is also offered over the Web, so everyone can use it on an invitation- basis | Jul 29 22:38 |
| parolang | But they're not in the evil category like Apple/MS. | Jul 29 22:39 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Novell Lies About SUSE Appliances http://bit.ly/eHDrE | Jul 29 22:39 | |
| schestowitz | PING.FM IS B0RKED | Jul 29 22:39 |
| schestowitz | Yahoo will lose a lot from the MSFT deal | Jul 29 22:40 |
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| schestowitz | SOmeone just mailed me: "Keep up the good fight. [..] (Now that Yahoo has made a deal with MSFT I might be abandoning this email account for safety....)" | Jul 29 22:40 |
| schestowitz | More links: | Jul 29 22:40 |
| schestowitz | "I'm sending you a couple links you probably know of just in case you might have missed: | Jul 29 22:41 |
| schestowitz | http://prosario2000.wordpress.com/2009/07/28/125/ | Jul 29 22:41 |
| schestowitz | http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2009/jul/08/microsoft-asus-linux | Jul 29 22:41 |
| schestowitz | And related (it links to your site, among others): | Jul 29 22:41 |
| schestowitz | http://digg.com/linux_unix/Microsoft_on_Intel_s_Anti_Linux_This_is_a_Nightmare " | Jul 29 22:41 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Novell Lies About SUSE Appliances http://ping.fm/rsShq | Jul 29 22:41 | |
| schestowitz | We have a volunteer, I think: | Jul 29 22:42 |
| schestowitz | "I'm thinking about trying to do a "No-monkey-businees" Ubuntu Respin (I might as well call it "Flying Chairs Remix") to counter his "Chicken Little" bad joke, in which I would substitute Tomboy and FSpot for Gnote and Gthumb and include the monono package.... but I have so very little time..." | Jul 29 22:42 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Irony: Columnist Who Berates Bloggers For Not Fact Checking, Didn't Fact Check < http://ping.fm/sWpwF > That's why old media is dying. | Jul 29 22:46 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] NotN: "Birthers" probe Obama's alleged robotic ancestry http://is.gd/1TicL | Jul 29 22:46 | |
| schestowitz | Botnets Driving Spam Volume < http://www.webpronews.com/topnews/2009/07/29/botnets-driving-spam-volume > | Jul 29 22:47 |
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| schestowitz | Very funny headline IMHO: "Jackson's death was blogosphere's saddest day: study" http://www.reuters.com/article/lifestyleMolt/idUSTRE56S0TQ20090729?feedType=RSS&feedName=lifestyleMolt | Jul 29 22:53 |
| schestowitz | A study on "blogosphere's saddest day" | Jul 29 22:54 |
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| fewa | the blag-o-net | Jul 29 23:11 |
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| cubezzz | ugh, I just heard about microhoo :-P | Jul 29 23:26 |
| trmanco | http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/07/29/yahoo-shareholders-transfer-29-billion-to-microsoft-shareholders/ | Jul 29 23:27 |
| tacone | the deal killed yahoo | Jul 29 23:36 |
| tacone | not what yahoo investor were hoping | Jul 29 23:37 |
| tacone | and it's a half deal anyway. just search and search ads | Jul 29 23:37 |
| tacone | not communities or anything else | Jul 29 23:38 |
| schestowitz | At least those survice | Jul 29 23:38 |
| schestowitz | But some die gradually | Jul 29 23:38 |
| schestowitz | Like Geocities | Jul 29 23:38 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft didn't have money to buy Yahoo | Jul 29 23:39 |
| schestowitz | It got m cheap | Jul 29 23:39 |
| schestowitz | Where is the US DOJ? | Jul 29 23:39 |
| schestowitz | Tell me, where are the regulators? | Jul 29 23:39 |
| schestowitz | Did Microsoft bribe them or did it just buy their seats 10 years ago? | Jul 29 23:39 |
| schestowitz | This is repugnant mafia behaviour | Jul 29 23:39 |
| schestowitz | I'd expect better from Putin and the KGB | Jul 29 23:40 |
| tacone | wait | Jul 29 23:40 |
| tacone | those things don't come the day later | Jul 29 23:40 |
| tacone | they didn't even for the google deal. | Jul 29 23:41 |
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| schestowitz | More Americans Watching Online Video < http://www.webpronews.com/topnews/2009/07/29/more-americans-watching-online-video > | Jul 29 23:43 |
| schestowitz | tacone: the way I see it, Yahoo was inevitably in Microsoft's hands after the proxy fight | Jul 29 23:44 |
| schestowitz | So the question was, how bad would it be? | Jul 29 23:44 |
| schestowitz | At least Zimbra ought to survive | Jul 29 23:44 |
| parolang | Okay, here's a decent pro-Mono article: http://blog.linuxtoday.com/blog/2009/06/why-mono-is-des.html | Jul 29 23:44 |
| tacone | that's what you see, not what the regulator will have to judge | Jul 29 23:45 |
| tacone | parolang: old. and already commented in 2-3 blog posts | Jul 29 23:45 |
| parolang | tacone: Yeah, I know it's old. It's just the first time I've seen it. | Jul 29 23:45 |
| schestowitz | tacone: no, bad one. Also smears us | Jul 29 23:45 |
| tacone | parolang: not good in many ways. but decent, right. | Jul 29 23:45 |
| parolang | tacone: But I think there are good points made. | Jul 29 23:46 |
| tacone | well, it's good for mono publicity | Jul 29 23:46 |
| tacone | parolang: my response http://www.stefanoforenza.com/mono-here-we-go-again/ | Jul 29 23:46 |
| parolang | tacone: Well, I think the best point from that article is that there are ways of mitigating the risk of Mono without abandoning the platform entirely. | Jul 29 23:47 |
| tacone | parolang: that was known. | Jul 29 23:47 |
| tacone | the problem is, even so, you have to pay damages | Jul 29 23:47 |
| tacone | i'm looking for jason's response | Jul 29 23:49 |
| parolang | hmm | Jul 29 23:49 |
| tacone | here it is http://mono-nono.com/2009/07/02/here-we-go-again-why-mono-apologetics-suck/ | Jul 29 23:49 |
| parolang | tacone: BTW, I do think technical points are relevant. | Jul 29 23:49 |
| tacone | parolang: they *may* be, but that's not the point | Jul 29 23:50 |
| parolang | tacone: Because half of my concern on this issue is that without similar technology, free software is going to fall far behind proprietary equivalents. *Again.* | Jul 29 23:50 |
| tacone | it's not that linux ecosystem has not bad software | Jul 29 23:51 |
| tacone | that never stopped people | Jul 29 23:51 |
| tacone | if mono was just technically bad, do you think anyone would have a problem with it ? | Jul 29 23:51 |
| tacone | parolang: ok, let's say it's good technically. | Jul 29 23:51 |
| tacone | in 8 years of mono, ubuntu repositories contains circa 20 mono applications | Jul 29 23:51 |
| tacone | of those 20, just 2-3 are worthy | Jul 29 23:51 |
| parolang | BKuhn mentions getting behind parrot rather than CLR. But, I've seen posts indicating that parrot is in a semi-dormant status. | Jul 29 23:51 |
| tacone | how come that ? isn't that a productive environment ? | Jul 29 23:51 |
| parolang | tacone: I don't understand the point you're making. You're making the hypothetical case that only 2-3 good applications will use mono in 8 years, and then you're asking why only 2-3 mono applications will be good. | Jul 29 23:53 |
| parolang | And I think Jason is misinterpreting the article. | Jul 29 23:54 |
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| tacone | no | Jul 29 23:55 |
| tacone | i said mono is around since 8 years ago. | Jul 29 23:55 |
| tacone | i'm saying that apt-cache rdepends mono-runtime | grep -v mono | Jul 29 23:55 |
| tacone | will show circa 30 entries and you have to strip non-application entries | Jul 29 23:55 |
| tacone | that leaves you with circa 20 entries | Jul 29 23:55 |
| tacone | but many are little scripts or unworthy programs | Jul 29 23:55 |
| tacone | so, mono is technically good. ok. where are the applications ? how does that help to compete with proprietary technology ? | Jul 29 23:55 |
| tacone | beside that, i don't want mono to disappear. i want ms to clear up. that's my point, not Boycottnovell's one | Jul 29 23:56 |
| parolang | What it *sounds* like is that C# plus framework offer a better balance of technologies than the other alternatives in the free software world. Python is easy and fast to program in but slow; C/C++ compile to fast code, but are easier to make errors in and more time is spent debugging. | Jul 29 23:56 |
| tacone | parolang: right. but google is working to speed up python as they did with javascript. | Jul 29 23:56 |
| parolang | That's an interesting counterpoint. | Jul 29 23:57 |
| parolang | <tacone> beside that, i don't want mono to disappear. i want ms to clear up. that's my point, not Boycottnovell's one <-- Agreed. | Jul 29 23:57 |
| tacone | anyway, as i told, tech is not the problem. | Jul 29 23:57 |
| tacone | moonlight is a whole another world | Jul 29 23:57 |
| schestowitz | tacone: that's not my point either | Jul 29 23:58 |
| parolang | Yeah, I don't know what the point of moonlight is. I've never used Silverlight (I'm GNU/Linux only). | Jul 29 23:58 |
| schestowitz | You seem to suggest BN wants Mono eradicated | Jul 29 23:58 |
| schestowitz | Not rreue | Jul 29 23:58 |
| schestowitz | *Not true | Jul 29 23:58 |
| parolang | I like FSF's push for an irrevocable patent license. | Jul 29 23:59 |
| schestowitz | Doesn't eliminate PAI issues | Jul 29 23:59 |
| tacone | also, if you're new to BN... BN is not just about mono. that's what many mono guys forget. | Jul 29 23:59 |
| tacone | BN i don't know your point. just you know :) | Jul 29 23:59 |
| tacone | err | Jul 29 23:59 |
| tacone | *schestowitz | Jul 29 23:59 |
| tacone | my point is this http://www.waveprotocol.org/patent-license | Jul 29 23:59 |
| schestowitz | API issues are secondary | Jul 29 23:59 |
| parolang | PAI? | Jul 29 23:59 |
| schestowitz | It's about control | Jul 29 23:59 |
| tacone | same as fsf, i guess. | Jul 29 23:59 |
| schestowitz | Migrations, directions, etc. | Jul 29 23:59 |
| schestowitz | SOme people want Mono to carry the Linux flag | Jul 29 23:59 |
| schestowitz | That would be a problem | Jul 29 23:59 |
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