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Balrog_ | hi everyone | Aug 07 00:45 |
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tacone | hey | Aug 07 00:46 |
Balrog_ | mono lovers are annoying :( | Aug 07 00:46 |
tacone | mono lovers are not annoying | Aug 07 00:50 |
tacone | mono trolls are | Aug 07 00:50 |
neighborlee | yes | Aug 07 00:50 |
tacone | spreading disinformation and fomenting a war | Aug 07 00:50 |
tacone | mono lovers and haters have one common goal | Aug 07 00:50 |
tacone | clarification. | Aug 07 00:50 |
neighborlee | just like berthers | Aug 07 00:50 |
neighborlee | equally annoying, and equally transparent to most users | Aug 07 00:51 |
tacone | putting aside schestowitz's "Api control" concern what we want is just a decent patent covenant. | Aug 07 00:51 |
schestowitz | Mr. "O'Brian" is gone | Aug 07 00:51 |
schestowitz | I reckon it was a Novell shill, living nearcy | Aug 07 00:51 |
tacone | today popey told me what I'd basically traduce in 'you're a BN shill' | Aug 07 00:52 |
tacone | what ?!... | Aug 07 00:52 |
Balrog_ | mono lovers think it's the best thing since sliced bread | Aug 07 00:52 |
schestowitz | Microsoft Keeps Running from the Law… and from Tax http://boycottnovell.com/2009/08/06/msft-not-paying-income-tax/ | Aug 07 00:52 |
neighborlee | soI read something about fspot and banshee being rewritten..whats up there | Aug 07 00:52 |
neighborlee | at ITWire commment section | Aug 07 00:52 |
schestowitz | Banshee as an OS | Aug 07 00:53 |
tacone | neighborlee: fspot on top of banshee. but some people say no, just some parts... i guess nobody knows yet what they're gonna do. | Aug 07 00:53 |
schestowitz | Sort of | Aug 07 00:53 |
neighborlee | ic | Aug 07 00:53 |
tacone | lol, schestowitz, yes. i thought about that | Aug 07 00:53 |
schestowitz | GNOME 3.0 visions maybe | Aug 07 00:53 |
tacone | banshee to browse files. kind of. | Aug 07 00:53 |
schestowitz | I heard Novell takes a lead role in GNOME 3 | Aug 07 00:53 |
schestowitz | They have Miguel | Aug 07 00:53 |
neighborlee | I thought miguel was OUT of gnome | Aug 07 00:53 |
tacone | be sure to browse your files with a moonlight UI. | Aug 07 00:53 |
schestowitz | neighborlee: not really | Aug 07 00:53 |
neighborlee | or so I heard,,sometime ago..though I DID WONDER even then | Aug 07 00:53 |
Balrog_ | sigh :\ | Aug 07 00:53 |
schestowitz | He left the president's position quietly | Aug 07 00:53 |
schestowitz | Did anyone ever replace him? | Aug 07 00:54 |
neighborlee | ahhhhh | Aug 07 00:54 |
schestowitz | And if so, who? | Aug 07 00:54 |
neighborlee | good questoin | Aug 07 00:54 |
neighborlee | tion | Aug 07 00:54 |
Balrog_ | schestowitz: BN made it to the front page of slashdot! | Aug 07 00:54 |
Balrog_ | you might know it already | Aug 07 00:54 |
neighborlee | I take it,,no change in position from greater oss community about MCP ?? | Aug 07 00:55 |
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tacone | http://mono-nono.com/2009/08/07/its-ok-when-we-do-it/ | Aug 07 01:01 |
tacone | omg | Aug 07 01:03 |
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neighborlee | unless RMS has changed his mind from 7 of 9 09 I guess answer is definitive no .: http://www.itwire.com/content/view/26166/1090/ | Aug 07 01:05 |
neighborlee | answerd my own question | Aug 07 01:05 |
neighborlee | ered | Aug 07 01:05 |
tacone | omg, i can't wait for having the moonlight banshee on my desktop | Aug 07 01:16 |
tacone | it'll have to run under a browser, but... who cares ? | Aug 07 01:17 |
schestowitz | Balrog: it did? | Aug 07 01:36 |
schestowitz | Oops | Aug 07 01:36 |
schestowitz | That's why the server is so slow | Aug 07 01:36 |
schestowitz | What post? | Aug 07 01:36 |
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Diablo-D3 | http://yro.slashdot.org/story/09/08/06/2322209/Microsoft-Patents-XML-Word-Processing-Documents?from=rss | Aug 07 01:39 |
Diablo-D3 | wtf | Aug 07 01:39 |
schestowitz | I didn't realise some articles in BN have PageRank 6 | Aug 07 01:40 |
Diablo-D3 | thats a pretty shitty patent | Aug 07 01:40 |
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] ISO Finds a Home at Microsoft, Hostility Towards ODF Made Subtle http://bit.ly/YUOed | Aug 07 02:03 | |
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Balrog_ | schestowitz: yes | Aug 07 02:08 |
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Vista 7 Hard to Install, Slower Than Vista Sometimes http://bit.ly/E44ji | Aug 07 02:46 | |
schestowitz | gn | Aug 07 02:47 |
cubezzz | bah, I have to still dual-boot for this one job :-/ | Aug 07 03:03 |
cubezzz | scanning slides | Aug 07 03:03 |
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Xarver | Guys, I made a group for programming on viddler.com | Aug 07 03:38 |
Xarver | So that people could share high quality videos on programming | Aug 07 03:39 |
Xarver | Here it is :P http://www.viddler.com/groups/programmers/ | Aug 07 03:39 |
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UFbeliveable http://yro.slashdot.org/story/09/08/06/2322209/Microsoft-Patents-XML-Word-Processing-Documents | Aug 07 04:10 | |
M$ gets patent on XML | Aug 07 04:11 | |
all XML | Aug 07 04:11 | |
USTPO is really stupid. | Aug 07 04:11 | |
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ha ha, http://ask.slashdot.org/story/09/08/06/2030208/How-Can-I-Tell-If-My-Computer-Is-Part-of-a-Botnet | Aug 07 04:17 | |
if it runs Windows, it's owned, | Aug 07 04:17 | |
cubezzz | this is old but... http://www.osnews.com/permalink?307047 | Aug 07 04:30 |
cubezzz | Mac got hacked first, then Windows, then Ubuntu | Aug 07 04:30 |
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ISO in Redmond? I wonder if protests can be organized. | Aug 07 04:44 | |
Banners and eggs flying! | Aug 07 04:45 | |
neighborlee | if so, this is one I can go to ;)) | Aug 07 04:55 |
everyone is invited to throw eggs at ISO and M$ reps. | Aug 07 04:55 | |
neighborlee | hehe | Aug 07 04:56 |
neighborlee | gee, if its anything like what republicans are doing to democratic townhalls over healthcare...it should be a HIT ;) | Aug 07 05:03 |
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cubezzz | true and ridiculous story: | Aug 07 05:20 |
cubezzz | "I purchased a SEALED OEM copy of XP Professional. WGA said the license key was already used. I called MS and they said I should uninstall and buy another copy. I told them I wasn’t made of money and hung-up." | Aug 07 05:20 |
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Diablo-D3 | cubezzz: lolwhat | Aug 07 05:21 |
Diablo-D3 | I wasnt aware you can buy OEM copies with the sticker in the bag | Aug 07 05:21 |
cubezzz | couldn't it be on the outside of the jewel case? | Aug 07 05:22 |
Diablo-D3 | no | Aug 07 05:22 |
Diablo-D3 | because most oem copies dont even have a disc | Aug 07 05:22 |
Diablo-D3 | in fact, most oem copies are _only_ a sticker | Aug 07 05:22 |
Diablo-D3 | dell, hp/compaq, whoever else ship a CD that isnt microsoft produced and contains specific modifications for that box | Aug 07 05:23 |
Diablo-D3 | (usually drivers and shit only, but some fucktards include extra software) | Aug 07 05:23 |
cubezzz | well on some laptops there's a license key on the bottom of the unit, I guess it would be possible for someone to get that number | Aug 07 05:24 |
Diablo-D3 | thats the sticker. | Aug 07 05:24 |
cubezzz | I can't verify the story btw | Aug 07 05:24 |
Diablo-D3 | I wonder what small time oems buy | Aug 07 05:25 |
cubezzz | merely quoting this blog | Aug 07 05:25 |
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Diablo-D3 | I assume its just a broken down version of a retail box | Aug 07 05:25 |
Diablo-D3 | cubezzz: well | Aug 07 05:25 |
Diablo-D3 | Im really wondering | Aug 07 05:25 |
Diablo-D3 | if the guy bought a chinese fake off ebay | Aug 07 05:25 |
Diablo-D3 | microsoft's software is the most counterfeited shit out there | Aug 07 05:25 |
cubezzz | I see the WGA message come up a lot lately | Aug 07 05:26 |
neighborlee | perfect timing for either linux or mac I guess to sneak in and offer competition ..which is good for all.if they can we'll see o_0 | Aug 07 05:26 |
Diablo-D3 | neighborlee: heh | Aug 07 05:27 |
Diablo-D3 | I like apple for one reason | Aug 07 05:27 |
cubezzz | someone buys a used latop, then later the WGA message comes up... | Aug 07 05:27 |
Diablo-D3 | they dont really give much of a fuck if you pirate osx | Aug 07 05:27 |
neighborlee | oh ?? | Aug 07 05:27 |
neighborlee | heh | Aug 07 05:27 |
Diablo-D3 | they're a hardware business not a software business | Aug 07 05:27 |
Diablo-D3 | theres only one disc produced, the retail disc | Aug 07 05:27 |
Diablo-D3 | it has no serial | Aug 07 05:27 |
neighborlee | woah | Aug 07 05:31 |
neighborlee | had no idea | Aug 07 05:31 |
neighborlee | never owned mac OS | Aug 07 05:31 |
Diablo-D3 | I think they used to produce an upgrade disc that just made you insert your first osx disc | Aug 07 05:32 |
Diablo-D3 | but I dont think they make it anymore | Aug 07 05:32 |
neighborlee | wow | Aug 07 05:32 |
Diablo-D3 | and certain models required special discs (but that wasnt for anti-piracy shit, the model required software/drivers not on the normal retail disc) | Aug 07 05:32 |
cubezzz | the WGA thing popping up is a real turn off | Aug 07 05:34 |
Diablo-D3 | WGA is stupid anyhow | Aug 07 05:35 |
Diablo-D3 | just produce a free version of windows already | Aug 07 05:35 |
Diablo-D3 | thats the only way they can win anyhow | Aug 07 05:35 |
neighborlee | very possible | Aug 07 05:37 |
cubezzz | I like looking at the source code though :) | Aug 07 05:38 |
Diablo-D3 | cubezzz: I dont | Aug 07 05:40 |
Diablo-D3 | Ive seen that famous win2k source leak | Aug 07 05:40 |
Diablo-D3 | its piles and piles and piles of shit | Aug 07 05:40 |
cubezzz | Diablo-D3, yeah I bet | Aug 07 05:40 |
Diablo-D3 | I mean, it wasnt even C | Aug 07 05:40 |
Diablo-D3 | its that weird microsoft C | Aug 07 05:40 |
cubezzz | can you actually compile it? | Aug 07 05:40 |
Diablo-D3 | with variable types INALLCAPS | Aug 07 05:40 |
Diablo-D3 | probably not | Aug 07 05:40 |
cubezzz | I never liked programming for windows really | Aug 07 05:42 |
cubezzz | Linux isn't the easiest thing to learn but I found it more logical than doze | Aug 07 05:42 |
neighborlee | well, I suspect it entirely depends on a users needs | Aug 07 05:48 |
neighborlee | if your only doing web surfing.some text editing, blah..prob. a non brainer | Aug 07 05:48 |
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schestowitz | Twatter [sic] is still all twatty today from the DDOS | Aug 07 07:59 |
schestowitz | People hopefully pay attention and make note of what Windows zombies do to digital lives, even HOSPITALS | Aug 07 07:59 |
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schestowitz | Entertainment Industry Decides FileSoup Doesn't Have Enough Publicity; Has Owner Arrested < http://techdirt.com/articles/20090805/1847415781.shtml > | Aug 07 08:07 |
schestowitz | http://techdirt.com/articles/20090726/1536245664.shtml (Are Legal Briefs Filed With A Court Covered By Copyright?) | Aug 07 08:12 |
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fewa_ | no | Aug 07 08:22 |
schestowitz | "What A Job: Making Sure No Brands Appear In A Movie" http://www.webpronews.com/topnews/2009/08/06/microsoft-should-avoid-branding-issue-for-office-web-version | Aug 07 08:23 |
schestowitz | "Microsoft is reportedly now the owner of the domain Office.com. " | Aug 07 08:23 |
schestowitz | Windows still hammering on Twitter http://www.webpronews.com/topnews/2009/08/06/twitter-goes-down-no-cute-whale-to-soften-the-blow | Aug 07 08:26 |
schestowitz | Facebook under DDOS attack as well: http://www.webpronews.com/topnews/2009/08/06/facebook-tweets-that-service-is-restored | Aug 07 08:27 |
schestowitz | Twitter, Facebook, Google Team Up After Attacks? < http://www.webpronews.com/topnews/2009/08/06/twitter-facebook-google-team-up-after-attacks > | Aug 07 08:27 |
schestowitz | Twitter thwacked < http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/1496564/twitter-thwacked > | Aug 07 08:31 |
schestowitz | Gawker is also under DDOS, as is Twitter (and Facebook): http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/08/06/gawker_ddos/ | Aug 07 08:35 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Gawker is also under DDOS, as is Twitter (and Facebook): http://bit.ly/Su1u3 | Aug 07 08:35 | |
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Diablo-D3 | http://feeds.gawker.com/~r/gizmodo/full/~3/i84fpQgObLE/competitive-poop-app-looks-kinda-nutty | Aug 07 09:08 |
Diablo-D3 | hitler will never die | Aug 07 09:09 |
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schestowitz | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/08/06/eds_hp_paycuts/ HP forces swingeing pay cuts on EDS staff | Aug 07 09:24 |
schestowitz | I love ThunderBrowse so much, but I wish it did not interfere with CTRL+F and CTRL+G (or "Find in page"). They are also impossible to use together although after struggling for a very long time it mat randomly work. | Aug 07 09:26 |
schestowitz | http://www.goldmansachs666.com/2009/08/is-goldman-sachs-worlds-biggest-ponzi.html | Aug 07 09:27 |
Diablo-D3 | schestowitz: gs666 is mostly alarmist bullshit | Aug 07 09:28 |
Diablo-D3 | gs is just a bunch of fucking assholes | Aug 07 09:28 |
schestowitz | AIG breakup nets Wall Street $1 billion bonanza: report < http://www.reuters.com/article/newsOne/idUSTRE57508M20090806 > | Aug 07 09:28 |
schestowitz | Diablo-D3: maybe | Aug 07 09:28 |
Diablo-D3 | they're not any more evil than... well, everyone else | Aug 07 09:28 |
Diablo-D3 | shit, if I could get away with it, I'd do it too | Aug 07 09:28 |
fewa_ | doesn't mean its right and shouldn't be punished | Aug 07 09:29 |
Diablo-D3 | doesnt mean I dont want them nailed to the wall, but lets put everything in perspective here | Aug 07 09:29 |
schestowitz | Diablo-D3: use the linkage | Aug 07 09:29 |
Diablo-D3 | the problem with gs is, though, they tried to sue gs666 | Aug 07 09:29 |
schestowitz | Yes | Aug 07 09:29 |
Diablo-D3 | or something, I forget | Aug 07 09:29 |
schestowitz | Bd choice | Aug 07 09:29 |
schestowitz | THey made it more widely known | Aug 07 09:29 |
Diablo-D3 | instant priceless advertising | Aug 07 09:29 |
Diablo-D3 | the first I heard of gs666 was through gs bitching | Aug 07 09:30 |
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schestowitz | The Sun Web Stack http://www.tbray.org/ongoing/When/200x/2009/08/06/Sun-Web-Stack | Aug 07 09:40 |
schestowitz | Stephen Fry speaks on the history of copyright, his thoughts on file sharing and the future of entertainment. http://www.stephenfry.com/2009/07/27/series-2-episode-4-itunes-live-festival/ He slams the MAFIAA | Aug 07 09:42 |
schestowitz | $23.7 Trillion Bailout - Will Justice Shoot the Messenger? < http://www.prwatch.org/node/8476 > | Aug 07 09:44 |
schestowitz | Israeli activist recounts an attack by Israeli soldiers, detention and then abuse at the... Ichilov hospital in Tel Aviv < http://www.kibush.co.il/show_file.asp?num=34899 > | Aug 07 09:44 |
schestowitz | Obama's green credentials tested by battle against mountaintop mining < http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2009/aug/04/mountaintop-mining > | Aug 07 09:45 |
schestowitz | MPs and peers call for inquiry into torture < http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/aug/04/mps-government-inquiry-torture-complicity > OK, 'nuff politics | Aug 07 09:45 |
schestowitz | "if/when their revenue get down far enough... i will expect to see more lawsuits being initiated by MS.... when that start to happen.. MS will have officially "jumped the shark" as they say.. " http://www.linuxtoday.com/news_story.php3?ltsn=2009-08-06-012-35-NW-MS-RH-0002 | Aug 07 09:48 |
schestowitz | I guess someone was not paying attention to TomTom and Melco lawsuits | Aug 07 09:48 |
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Diablo-D3 | man | Aug 07 09:51 |
Diablo-D3 | this is going to be weird | Aug 07 09:51 |
*Diablo-D3 may or may not be using oracle | Aug 07 09:52 | |
Diablo-D3 | assuming I can get over the weirdness | Aug 07 09:52 |
schestowitz | Apache license?? http://blogs.the451group.com/opensource/2009/08/05/embedded-open-source-spreading-opening/ | Aug 07 09:54 |
Diablo-D3 | probably a typo | Aug 07 09:55 |
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schestowitz | How Twitter was killed http://blogs.computerworld.com/14504/how_twitter_was_killed | Aug 07 10:03 |
schestowitz | Some people may drift to Twitter's competitors as a result... or just leave in anger. Most users don't know what DDOS mean... they'll think Twitter just sucks | Aug 07 10:03 |
Diablo-D3 | twitter does just suck, though | Aug 07 10:04 |
Diablo-D3 | schestowitz: also, dont link that website | Aug 07 10:04 |
Diablo-D3 | computerworld employees worse than shills: they employ fucktards | Aug 07 10:05 |
schestowitz | ugh. Linux and religion.. http://shibuvarkala.blogspot.com/2009/08/quran-study-tool-for-ubuntu-debian.html | Aug 07 10:06 |
schestowitz | Diablo-D3: SJVN is the exception | Aug 07 10:06 |
schestowitz | Gralla is their worst Microsoft shill | Aug 07 10:06 |
Diablo-D3 | if he wants to be an exception he can quit working for them | Aug 07 10:06 |
schestowitz | Mind Mapping Course Introduction http://beginlinux.com/appsm/mind-mapping/mind-map-introduction | Aug 07 10:07 |
schestowitz | Diablo-D3: where would he advocate Linux then? | Aug 07 10:07 |
schestowitz | He used to work for Ziff David, then Linux.com | Aug 07 10:07 |
schestowitz | He still writes some for IEEE, but very little..... | Aug 07 10:08 |
Diablo-D3 | he can get his own blog | Aug 07 10:09 |
schestowitz | It seems true that by Henry Kingman moved here from eWeek: http://moblinzone.com/top_stories/481/46/37 | Aug 07 10:10 |
schestowitz | Diablo-D3: yes, he has one | Aug 07 10:10 |
schestowitz | Practical-Technology | Aug 07 10:11 |
schestowitz | Do you know how hard it is to be paid from one's own blog? | Aug 07 10:11 |
Diablo-D3 | nope, I dont | Aug 07 10:11 |
*Diablo-D3 seems to be pretty decently. | Aug 07 10:11 | |
schestowitz | In BN the ads pay just $20 per month and we have over 7000k UNIQUE visitors per day | Aug 07 10:11 |
Diablo-D3 | I think you made a slight typo there | Aug 07 10:12 |
schestowitz | But it's not a for-profit site | Aug 07 10:12 |
schestowitz | Diablo-D3: yes, 7k | Aug 07 10:12 |
Diablo-D3 | I had 29k uniques yesterday for ATPA | Aug 07 10:12 |
schestowitz | 5 Tips for Raising Your Girl Geek http://www.wired.com/geekdad/2009/08/5-tips-for-raising-your-girl-geek/ | Aug 07 10:15 |
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popey | people dont click adverts sadly | Aug 07 10:18 |
schestowitz | They shouldn't | Aug 07 10:18 |
popey | be nice if they did from a revenue pov | Aug 07 10:19 |
schestowitz | it's an economy of physical products and services | Aug 07 10:19 |
schestowitz | What can be duplicated will | Aug 07 10:19 |
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schestowitz | IOW, people need to invent other means of offering value, not just text. A lot of authors CC-license their books now. They won't be rich like the Harry Potter author or superstars from MTV, but they can live decently making public talks, offering physical things, or using their skills to give lessons of one sort or another. Some YouTube 'celebs' give guitar lesson. | Aug 07 10:22 |
popey | good point | Aug 07 10:22 |
schestowitz | Security vs. Usability < http://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2009/08/security_vs_usa.html > | Aug 07 10:23 |
schestowitz | MySQL lives on beyond Oracle: Thoughts about Dual-licensing Open Source software < http://monty-says.blogspot.com/2009/08/thoughts-about-dual-licensing-open.html > | Aug 07 10:23 |
schestowitz | "Monty Program Ab agrees that when it dual licenses code, it will not restrict the way the third party licensee uses the licensed copy of the code nor restrict how they use their own code." It's like a family business | Aug 07 10:23 |
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Diablo-D3 | schestowitz: btw, why do you care if people click adverts or not? | Aug 07 10:29 |
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Diablo-D3 | I get paid by unit of time, not by view or by click | Aug 07 10:30 |
schestowitz | People should not be pressured to watch ads, that's what I meant. It would be hypocritical of me to suggest otherwise | Aug 07 10:31 |
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schestowitz | http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20090805144623275 820 comments | Aug 07 10:41 |
schestowitz | SCO is finished. | Aug 07 10:41 |
schestowitz | Almost practically now | Aug 07 10:41 |
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Diablo-D3 | schestowitz: people arent pressured to watch ads | Aug 07 10:43 |
Diablo-D3 | if they dont want ads, they can block them | Aug 07 10:43 |
schestowitz | "The net result is that I am no longer recommending CentOS nor will I be deploying any new systems with CentOS. I'm going to recommend Scientific Linux over CentOS for folks who need a free Enterprise Linux clone. " http://broadcast.oreilly.com/2009/08/the-future-of-centos-and-crite.html | Aug 07 10:43 |
schestowitz | Diablo-D3: yes, exactly, but some people don't know how to do it. It's all about choice | Aug 07 10:43 |
schestowitz | IIRC, Perens said something crass about people who block ads | Aug 07 10:43 |
schestowitz | Meh. Forking FS to OSS and then ascribing to Apple........ http://www.h-online.com/open/Open-source-stars-for-Mac-OS-X-Part-1--/features/113876 | Aug 07 10:45 |
schestowitz | "Open source isn't just for Linux users.....' | Aug 07 10:45 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Escape route for Skype skeptics: http://ping.fm/fHdJ9 (How to Videoconference Linux and Windows with Ekiga) | Aug 07 10:47 | |
schestowitz | Escape route for Skype skeptics: http://maketecheasier.com/videoconference-linux-and-windows-with-ekiga/2009/08/05 (How to Videoconference Linux and Windows with Ekiga) | Aug 07 10:49 |
schestowitz | The Snyder troll strikes again: http://infoworld.com/t/software-licensing/watch-out-developers-here-come-lawyers-436 | Aug 07 10:49 |
schestowitz | This is not a FOSS issue, but he's FUDing | Aug 07 10:49 |
schestowitz | Going on an endless ant about centos: http://ever-increasing-entropy.blogspot.com/2009/08/perfect-illustration-of-why-i-now.html | Aug 07 10:51 |
schestowitz | How much memory is enough? < http://blogs.dailynews.com/click/2009/08/how-much-memory-is-enough.html > | Aug 07 10:53 |
schestowitz | "After six months of running OpenBSD 4.4 with that same amount of memory (and, to be fair, the Fvwm2 and Xfce 4 desktops) and never needing to use swap, I got a bit tired of all the swapping going on in Ubuntu. I'm also running a Debian Lenny laptop with 512 MB of RAM, and while it seems somewhat more "frugal" in terms of memory use than Ubuntu (both running GNOME), I haven't put the Debian system under heavy day-to-day testing jus | Aug 07 10:53 |
schestowitz | t yet." | Aug 07 10:53 |
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schestowitz | http://webhostedservices.com/blog/?p=54 | Aug 07 11:12 |
Diablo-D3 | schestowitz: wow | Aug 07 11:17 |
Diablo-D3 | that blog with the guy bitching about memory is a fucktard | Aug 07 11:17 |
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Diablo-D3 | ubuntu comes in a version for shitty machines called xubuntu | Aug 07 11:17 |
schestowitz | Watch your language, please | Aug 07 11:17 |
schestowitz | You're using the F word a lot | Aug 07 11:17 |
schestowitz | http://www.novell.com/ctoblog/ <-most boring blog, ever | Aug 07 11:19 |
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Diablo-D3 | lol | Aug 07 11:20 |
schestowitz | http://www.microsoft-watch.com/content/windows_7/windows_7_rtm_to_begin_rollout_to_a_few.html?kc=MWRSS02129TX1K0000535 | Aug 07 11:21 |
schestowitz | Comment: "Ah the Windows Upgrade Thread-Mill has started again. There's a smell in the air, its the smell of money, say goodbye to your money Windows users, as Steve is going to release a new OS every 2 to 3 years now." | Aug 07 11:22 |
schestowitz | " And that XP compatible thingy, is only for the business or ultimate editions, you don't get that with home premium. Not quite so "premium" now is it? I wonder how many programs and games this release will break." | Aug 07 11:22 |
schestowitz | "But there is some good news here in all of this, since Seven is just "a better Vista" according to Steve Ballmer, it most likely will not work on most of the older computers out there running XP now. So you can save some bucks by not running out and buying this bloatware for the old computer, unless you are already stuck with Vista. Then again one could try out and use Linux for free at distrowatch.com" | Aug 07 11:22 |
schestowitz | Is it true that Ballmer called it "a better Vista"? | Aug 07 11:22 |
schestowitz | I'll try to find the ref | Aug 07 11:22 |
schestowitz | http://news.zdnet.com/2463-9595_22-246570.html | Aug 07 11:22 |
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schestowitz | Microsoft may throw away 2000+ employees: Report: Publicis heads the pack to buy Microsoft's Razorfish < http://www.techflash.com/microsoft/Report_Publicis_heads_the_pack_to_buy_Microsofts_Razorfish52593572.html > | Aug 07 11:30 |
trmanco | http://www.h-online.com/security/Microsoft-to-patch-nine-security-vulnerabilities-on-Patch-Tuesday--/news/113950 | Aug 07 11:31 |
Diablo-D3 | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J-8xLVTkb_o&fmt=22 | Aug 07 11:34 |
schestowitz | http://ostatic.com/blog/how-to-make-firefox-skins-for-mozillas-personas-gallery | Aug 07 11:34 |
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schestowitz | Is Oracle Getting Ready To Kill Unbreakable Linux? < http://broadcast.oreilly.com/2009/07/is-oracle-getting-ready-to-kil.html > It would be good had Oracle used RHEL and assisted the OS vendor, Red Hat. | Aug 07 11:53 |
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schestowitz | Giving ATI a second glance < http://www.zdnet.com.au/blogs/motherload/soa/Giving-ATI-a-second-glance/0,2001123696,339297769,00.htm > Still prognosis negative | Aug 07 12:02 |
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schestowitz | "Remember, back when Microsoft Office 2007 came out, there was a sudden surge of downloads of OpenOffice.org? That was because of the godawful interface Microsoft thrust upon its users, and it was a direct response to me (and IT people like me) directing lamenting users to OpenOffice.org to download a GOOD office productivity software suite, with a GOOD interface.' | Aug 07 12:05 |
schestowitz | http://linuxcritic.wordpress.com/2009/08/06/openoffice-org-its-a-little-too-%0Alate-for-april-fools-jokes-dont-you-think/ | Aug 07 12:05 |
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Melio | what's the twitter userid so I can follow it | Aug 07 12:06 |
Melio | i'm getting retweets from nastymicrosoft. | Aug 07 12:06 |
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Omar87 | Hi guys. | Aug 07 12:17 |
Omar87 | What kind of a CEO is that? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xR-P6HPZgMs&feature=related | Aug 07 12:17 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] RT @Polljack Daily Mail poll asks why politicians don't deny climate change. Let's hijack it! Vote "no" here: http://bit.ly/1gUvX | Aug 07 12:18 | |
schestowitz | Omar87: We should get CEOs like this for Red Hat | Aug 07 12:33 |
Omar87 | schestowitz: lol | Aug 07 12:33 |
Omar87 | schestowitz: Ya know something that I really love about KDE? | Aug 07 12:34 |
schestowitz | The K? | Aug 07 12:37 |
Omar87 | schestowitz: It's a really attractive desktop environment that refuses to fall for the Microsoft trap, and yet its team is doing a great job at providing the best computing adventure. | Aug 07 12:37 |
Omar87 | http://arstechnica.com/open-source/reviews/2009/08/hands-on-kde-43-delivers-a-social-desktop.ars | Aug 07 12:37 |
Omar87 | If only they work a little bit more on eliminating those nasty bugs that lurk in between the lines of their code.. | Aug 07 12:38 |
schestowitz | Yes, I like that | Aug 07 12:38 |
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oiaohm | Major rewrites are not without its pain. | Aug 07 12:41 |
oiaohm | KDE 4.3 removed a lot of the nasty of nasty bugs. | Aug 07 12:41 |
tacone | Got an idea today | Aug 07 12:41 |
tacone | Let's port kde 4.3 to Mono ! Anybody willing to help ? ;-) | Aug 07 12:42 |
oiaohm | Unlikely. | Aug 07 12:43 |
tacone | Oh :(( | Aug 07 12:43 |
oiaohm | kde engine should in theory part build on .net only one major issue Mono does not have a C++ complier yet. | Aug 07 12:44 |
tacone | I meant a line by line port | Aug 07 12:45 |
oiaohm | Why. | Aug 07 12:45 |
oiaohm | .Net has C++ support. Just mono is too crappy to have it yet. | Aug 07 12:45 |
tacone | Right | Aug 07 12:46 |
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oiaohm | With C++ support you could treat .net as just a nother platform for KDE. | Aug 07 12:46 |
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oiaohm | Basically there is zero reason to port a C++ program to a Mono language. | Aug 07 12:47 |
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Musician Leave Mac OS X to Embrace GNU/Linux http://ping.fm/5WWZ4 | Aug 07 12:59 | |
oiaohm | tacone did not stay around long. | Aug 07 13:00 |
schestowitz | Connectivity problems, as usual | Aug 07 13:02 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] RT @ali_in_london How much sponsorship money would it take to get the Fail Whale logo on the England cricket team's kit? | Aug 07 13:03 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] OStatic on Linux Shirts with Loose Intellectual Monopolies http://ping.fm/G2L6Z | Aug 07 13:03 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] eWeek on GNU/Linux Rising Status on the Desktop http://ping.fm/ycciX | Aug 07 13:04 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Review of K Desktop Environment (KDE) 4.3 http://ping.fm/YP6EJ | Aug 07 13:06 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Review of the Newest Tiny Core Linux http://ping.fm/6M3Cz | Aug 07 13:07 | |
oiaohm | I really finding 4.3 reviews funny. | Aug 07 13:09 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Linux Mint 7 with KDE Impresses Reviewer http://ping.fm/I6rGq | Aug 07 13:09 | |
oiaohm | Lot of people who baged the hell out of 4.0 and 4.1 are now eating there words. | Aug 07 13:09 |
schestowitz | SJVN for example | Aug 07 13:10 |
schestowitz | I used 4.1 | Aug 07 13:10 |
schestowitz | Was OK | Aug 07 13:10 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] A Look at Slackware 13.0 at RC2 Stage http://ping.fm/T5jfk | Aug 07 13:10 | |
schestowitz | But Mandriva still uses the older version, so I get a smooth rannsition | Aug 07 13:10 |
oiaohm | 4.1 had issues lot were due to the video card drivers of the time. | Aug 07 13:11 |
oiaohm | As a few truthful reviews are saying as well. Ie kde 4.3 only looks the best if you have a good video card. | Aug 07 13:12 |
oiaohm | I hope in kde 4.4 or 4.5 they get around to putting some of the software fall back rendering back in. | Aug 07 13:12 |
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schestowitz | Hey, Melio | Aug 07 13:13 |
Melio | hello | Aug 07 13:13 |
schestowitz | I was away when you were last here | Aug 07 13:14 |
Melio | oh right. I asked about twitter name | Aug 07 13:14 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Whole Foods Moved to GNU/Linux (Red Hat) http://ping.fm/7Clbo | Aug 07 13:14 | |
schestowitz | There's an account called Boycott Novell | Aug 07 13:14 |
Melio | www.twitter.com/boycottnovell | Aug 07 13:14 |
schestowitz | It's just an account that throws in folks who read BN | Aug 07 13:14 |
schestowitz | WHen people bring it up here | Aug 07 13:14 |
schestowitz | So if you want it echoed here, tell me your account id | Aug 07 13:15 |
Melio | stevejberry | Aug 07 13:15 |
Melio | is my twitter account name | Aug 07 13:15 |
Melio | melio on identi.ca | Aug 07 13:15 |
Melio | I'm pushing open source in south carolina | Aug 07 13:15 |
Melio | along with other people of course | Aug 07 13:15 |
schestowitz | I'd need to change the program to do identica | Aug 07 13:15 |
schestowitz | It's possible | Aug 07 13:15 |
Melio | identi.ca is way more stable | Aug 07 13:16 |
Melio | and opensource :P | Aug 07 13:16 |
Melio | how is your code written? | Aug 07 13:16 |
Melio | I have friends that use xmpp bots to do posting | Aug 07 13:16 |
Melio | are you familar with collecta.com | Aug 07 13:16 |
Melio | the authors of that are opensource advocates also. and I know one of the coders for that site | Aug 07 13:17 |
Melio | they wrote quite a bit of xmpp protocol stuff | Aug 07 13:17 |
schestowitz | Melio: it's alpha code | Aug 07 13:17 |
schestowitz | twitfolk | Aug 07 13:17 |
schestowitz | Someone in the local lug helped me set this up | Aug 07 13:17 |
Melio | the identi.ca posting will automaticly dent to twitter | Aug 07 13:17 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Real-time Conference Co-locates with Eleventh Real Time Linux Workshop http://ping.fm/y4gjL | Aug 07 13:20 | |
oiaohm | Boy you are seeing lot of presure being attempt to be placed on Orcale to walk away from Linux. | Aug 07 13:23 |
oiaohm | Funny part is solarias does have some advantages over Linux. But Linux has some advangas over Solarias particularly in network device sharing. | Aug 07 13:24 |
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schestowitz | oiaohm: I think they mostly want Java | Aug 07 13:27 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Analysis of Google's Entry Into GNU/Linux with Sub-notebooks http://ping.fm/ReiZn | Aug 07 13:27 | |
Melio | you know I'm actually very technical and computer oriented | Aug 07 13:28 |
Melio | and I don't even think of novell as a company anymore | Aug 07 13:29 |
schestowitz | Novell is divrse | Aug 07 13:29 |
Melio | right | Aug 07 13:29 |
schestowitz | I was going to read news about them carefully this afternoon | Aug 07 13:29 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Linux Phones Shipped by T-Mobile http://ping.fm/6x1qO | Aug 07 13:29 | |
schestowitz | It's mostly proprietary stuff | Aug 07 13:29 |
Melio | but I don't really consider them capiable of even advertizing anything anymore | Aug 07 13:29 |
schestowitz | Novell has (IIRC) about 300 staff allocated to Linux | Aug 07 13:29 |
schestowitz | That's less than 10% of the staff | Aug 07 13:29 |
Melio | so they took over a distro and let it dry up | Aug 07 13:29 |
oiaohm | Orcale has way more than that allocated to Linux. | Aug 07 13:30 |
Melio | feeding it just enough to fight with it | Aug 07 13:30 |
schestowitz | Novell knows that open source makes good PR, so it likes to over-emphasise the FOSS component | Aug 07 13:30 |
Melio | kinda like how you treat a pitbull in dog fighting | Aug 07 13:30 |
schestowitz | Melio: SUSE was struggling financially | Aug 07 13:30 |
schestowitz | So I learned anyway. They had no business model | Aug 07 13:30 |
schestowitz | I think IBM wanted to resucre SUSE | Aug 07 13:30 |
Melio | ibm woulda killed it | Aug 07 13:30 |
schestowitz | IBM needs SUSE for the mainframes and appliances | Aug 07 13:30 |
Melio | they kill every os they ever make | Aug 07 13:30 |
schestowitz | So they helped Novell buy SuSE | Aug 07 13:30 |
zoobab01 | http://www.noooxml.org/forum/t-174349/800-pages-of-defect-for-ooxml-here-it-is | Aug 07 13:31 |
Melio | well the best way to make bad technology go away is to stop using it and use something else | Aug 07 13:31 |
Melio | and endorse it | Aug 07 13:32 |
Melio | show people hey. this isnt the only thing out there | Aug 07 13:32 |
Melio | I know kinda grass roots solution to a dynamicly populated business error | Aug 07 13:32 |
schestowitz | With Novell it's easy | Aug 07 13:33 |
schestowitz | Their Linux product is identical to others | Aug 07 13:33 |
schestowitz | For Server -> RHEL | Aug 07 13:33 |
schestowitz | For desktop -> Ubuntu/whatever (most people think Ubuntu, what can you do?) | Aug 07 13:33 |
schestowitz | Mono being dried up is a good thing | Aug 07 13:33 |
schestowitz | Mono is the 'added value' of Novell's Linux | Aug 07 13:34 |
schestowitz | Added value to Microsoft, not to you | Aug 07 13:34 |
Melio | what distro do you run | Aug 07 13:35 |
oiaohm | Mine changes with what I am doing Melio | Aug 07 13:36 |
oiaohm | And who I am working for. | Aug 07 13:36 |
Melio | oh right | Aug 07 13:36 |
Melio | I have to do testing on several os's | Aug 07 13:36 |
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Melio | I'm working on a cisco certification too. so I need bascily nothing more then a telnet session | Aug 07 13:37 |
Melio | hehe | Aug 07 13:37 |
Melio | but otherwise. I know quite a bit of distro hoppers that use whatever they get paid to use | Aug 07 13:37 |
oiaohm | openvz is handy for lot of cross Linux testing. | Aug 07 13:37 |
Melio | yeah I use virtualbox | Aug 07 13:37 |
Melio | I should try out openvz | Aug 07 13:38 |
oiaohm | When openvz can have X11 servers I will not have a use for virtualbox most of the time. | Aug 07 13:38 |
Melio | neat | Aug 07 13:38 |
oiaohm | openvz is container based. | Aug 07 13:38 |
Melio | yeah I'mr eading like bsd jails | Aug 07 13:38 |
Melio | that's pretty impressive | Aug 07 13:38 |
oiaohm | So 1 kernel running many different distributions. | Aug 07 13:38 |
oiaohm | Container tech in Linux pays to learn. | Aug 07 13:39 |
oiaohm | It another level of resource control | Aug 07 13:39 |
Melio | I need to bursh up on my C++ | Aug 07 13:39 |
Melio | start contributing to these virtualization projects | Aug 07 13:39 |
Melio | there's thousands of little things that need to be done to make them great | Aug 07 13:40 |
oiaohm | openvz is C | Aug 07 13:40 |
Melio | even C | Aug 07 13:40 |
Melio | I've been doing a lot of python | Aug 07 13:40 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Layoffs at Leading Web Censorship Company http://ping.fm/npDeW | Aug 07 13:40 | |
Melio | not real happy with dependacys of pythong | Aug 07 13:40 |
Melio | python. | Aug 07 13:40 |
oiaohm | http://libvirt.org/ << Nice little interface for virtualisation control | Aug 07 13:40 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] 4th CMS Award Launched for Free Software http://ping.fm/aX3hU | Aug 07 13:41 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] MySQL Poppa Explains the Business Model of MariaDB http://ping.fm/vwSzS | Aug 07 13:41 | |
Melio | I need to pay attention in here | Aug 07 13:42 |
Melio | :p | Aug 07 13:42 |
Melio | I'v been getting regurgitated news from other sources | Aug 07 13:42 |
Melio | since you guys feed enough data for news | Aug 07 13:42 |
Melio | why not just become a media outlet | Aug 07 13:42 |
Melio | instead of a boycott x site | Aug 07 13:42 |
schestowitz | WHat is a media outlet? | Aug 07 13:42 |
Melio | www.digitel.com | Aug 07 13:43 |
schestowitz | Melio: I see you go along the lines of jono bacon here | Aug 07 13:43 |
Melio | this site built itself based on the concept of delivering content of "newsworthy stuff" | Aug 07 13:43 |
schestowitz | I thought about this, but others resist | Aug 07 13:43 |
Melio | resistance is futile :p | Aug 07 13:43 |
schestowitz | If the boycott of Novell is de-emphasised, then education won't come across and the site name was chosen by the founder | Aug 07 13:43 |
Melio | politically charged movements don't look good when broadcasting the news | Aug 07 13:43 |
Melio | I'm an independant information seeker | Aug 07 13:44 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] smoking is good for you! well, maybe you in particular http://www.cosmosmagazine.com/node/2904/full | Aug 07 13:44 | |
Melio | I suppose I'm not droidable, but I would like to say that any data is good data even if it's self centered :) | Aug 07 13:45 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Murdoch Wants to Apply Intellectual Monopolies to News http://ping.fm/iaP19 | Aug 07 13:46 | |
Melio | is evolution a novell product? | Aug 07 13:46 |
Melio | Copyright © 1999 - 2009 Novell, Inc. and Others | Aug 07 13:47 |
Melio | yeah looks like it is | Aug 07 13:47 |
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oiaohm | evolution stated before Novell got mixed up with it. | Aug 07 13:48 |
oiaohm | Novell took it up in 1999 and promised a working windows version. | Aug 07 13:48 |
Melio | never came to be | Aug 07 13:48 |
Melio | it would be impossible to port | Aug 07 13:48 |
Melio | it uses gnome everything now | Aug 07 13:48 |
oiaohm | We got a windows version that kinda worked that is highly dependant on cygwin . | Aug 07 13:48 |
oiaohm | And cygwin X11 server and performed like a dog. | Aug 07 13:49 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Band Looks Away from the Copyright Cartel http://ping.fm/WV4no | Aug 07 13:49 | |
Melio | it sucks in linux too | Aug 07 13:49 |
oiaohm | Impossible to port is not true Melio. | Aug 07 13:49 |
Melio | no, nothing is impossible | Aug 07 13:49 |
Melio | just not plausable | Aug 07 13:49 |
oiaohm | KDE being ported to windows. | Aug 07 13:49 |
Melio | I never really had any issues with novell | Aug 07 13:49 |
Melio | except when microsoft starting putting it's penis into it's holes | Aug 07 13:50 |
oiaohm | The not plausable happens quite a bit. | Aug 07 13:50 |
oiaohm | In the open source world. | Aug 07 13:50 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Microsoft Becomes More Patents Focused (Like SCO and UNIX, Which it Does Not Own) http://ping.fm/R1CO6 | Aug 07 13:52 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Cracks in the USPTO's Judgment of Patents http://ping.fm/VCXss | Aug 07 13:54 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Google's On2 Acquisition Seen as Move Against Video Patents http://ping.fm/N9wAD | Aug 07 13:56 | |
oiaohm | At long last someone covers the other weapon Open source does against patents. Devaluing them. | Aug 07 13:58 |
Diablo-D3 | heh | Aug 07 13:58 |
Diablo-D3 | I find it funny that USPTO is finally realizing what the patent law actually says | Aug 07 13:58 |
MinceR | you figure they might eventually start doing their job? :> | Aug 07 13:59 |
Diablo-D3 | MinceR: well | Aug 07 13:59 |
Diablo-D3 | eventually you're going to get a very angry top level employee | Aug 07 13:59 |
Diablo-D3 | who hates bullshit | Aug 07 13:59 |
oiaohm | USPTO is under resourced under the current rules. | Aug 07 13:59 |
Diablo-D3 | oiaohm: no | Aug 07 14:00 |
oiaohm | There is no requirement for the USPTO to be feed with valid patents. | Aug 07 14:00 |
Diablo-D3 | too many faggots submit stupid patents | Aug 07 14:00 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Microsoft Windows Still Very Critically Flawed http://ping.fm/VoiyB | Aug 07 14:00 | |
Diablo-D3 | they should actually up the submission cost | Aug 07 14:00 |
oiaohm | Searching to disprove patents costs time. | Aug 07 14:00 |
oiaohm | Really submission cost rise is the wrong thing. | Aug 07 14:00 |
oiaohm | Make it fine able for submitting a blately invalid patent. | Aug 07 14:00 |
oiaohm | Largely fine able. | Aug 07 14:01 |
oiaohm | Ie 1 or 2 million fine would scare 90 percent of the problem patent submitters off. | Aug 07 14:01 |
oiaohm | Even better out of that 1 or 2 million make like 500 000 bounty payment for disproving patent. | Aug 07 14:02 |
oiaohm | USPTO would have the greedy doing there job for them then. | Aug 07 14:02 |
Diablo-D3 | oiaohm: that isnt it | Aug 07 14:02 |
Diablo-D3 | the USPTO could make the elimination queue easy to use | Aug 07 14:03 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Windows Zombies Take Facebook, Gawker, and Twitter Offline http://ping.fm/3OqxO http://ping.fm/v8LyI | Aug 07 14:03 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] Reuters to AP and Murdoch: go ahead and kill yourselves, fools http://is.gd/26uNl | Aug 07 14:03 | |
Diablo-D3 | letting angry citizens do their job for them | Aug 07 14:03 |
oiaohm | Number 1 current it costs nothing if you have a patent invalidated other than the submit cost. | Aug 07 14:03 |
oiaohm | You don't even have to pay back the income you got under falseness with a patent. | Aug 07 14:04 |
oiaohm | That is the big problem there is no reason for companies really to submit valid patents because there is no pain if they are invalid. | Aug 07 14:04 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Judge Puts Almost-Final Nail in Coffin of Microsoft-funded Anti-Linux Lawsuit http://ping.fm/XrwdQ | Aug 07 14:05 | |
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oiaohm | Boy has Novell won out of the SCO mess. | Aug 07 14:09 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Hypocrisy Found in Mono http://ping.fm/hVKhw | Aug 07 14:10 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Microsoft Gets Junk Patents on XML http://ping.fm/kKl1i , OOXML Highly Defective http://ping.fm/1WRaF | Aug 07 14:14 | |
oiaohm | Its going to be interesting to see if MS Office excel odf output comes into line with the release of odf 1.2 | Aug 07 14:15 |
oiaohm | That should not be far off. | Aug 07 14:15 |
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schestowitz | oiaohm_: or just mutually compatible with other sofftare | Aug 07 14:38 |
oiaohm_ | 1.2 defines the syntax how Open office has it that MS replaced in there 1.1 with OOXML syntax. | Aug 07 14:39 |
oiaohm_ | Making there odf spreadsheets incompadible. | Aug 07 14:39 |
oiaohm_ | MS has no idea of different parties working on the same thing slowly working to a standard. | Aug 07 14:39 |
oiaohm_ | The thing is what next will MS try to break in the ODF. | Aug 07 14:47 |
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schestowitz | Microsoft is compatible with self | Aug 07 14:49 |
schestowitz | And it gives FUDdy errors about ODF export/save | Aug 07 14:50 |
Eruaran | Microsoft is incompatible with itself | Aug 07 14:50 |
oiaohm_ | Good example is mix windows 2000 XP without service packs in a network. | Aug 07 14:52 |
oiaohm_ | Lot of grimlims will come out. | Aug 07 14:52 |
Eruaran | I think the proverbial is going to hit the fan after Windows 7 is released. | Aug 07 14:57 |
MinceR | renewed attacks against ODF? | Aug 07 14:58 |
Eruaran | One of our customers is an "early adopter". He insists there's a hardware problem with the computer we sold him, but its the software. | Aug 07 14:58 |
Melio | belive it or not | Aug 07 14:59 |
Melio | i'm working on mcse certification | Aug 07 14:59 |
Melio | lol | Aug 07 14:59 |
Eruaran | He thinks Windows 7 is the best thing since sliced bread (he's never used anything but Windows), and wont face the fact that its W7 that's screwing his system up. | Aug 07 14:59 |
Melio | you wouldnt belive how much bullshit is on that exam | Aug 07 14:59 |
Eruaran | What do you mean "working" on it ? | Aug 07 15:00 |
Melio | it's part of my degree program | Aug 07 15:00 |
Melio | state college | Aug 07 15:00 |
Melio | it transfers to an engineering degree | Aug 07 15:00 |
Melio | which is another 6 years of college | Aug 07 15:00 |
Melio | but that's how it works, I'm forced to learn microcrap | Aug 07 15:00 |
MinceR | vile | Aug 07 15:00 |
Melio | there's very little linux certification to be offered by education | Aug 07 15:00 |
Eruaran | Yes but, "working" on an MCSE ? | Aug 07 15:00 |
Melio | Eruaran: I have future classes, credit mind you | Aug 07 15:01 |
Eruaran | Same here in Australia | Aug 07 15:01 |
Melio | that are MCSE based | Aug 07 15:01 |
Melio | all administration and managment of windows cra[ | Aug 07 15:01 |
MinceR | i've managed to avoid the m$-priest majors | Aug 07 15:01 |
Melio | p | Aug 07 15:01 |
Melio | I can't | Aug 07 15:01 |
Melio | the only major I can fit into that transfers is mcse forced | Aug 07 15:01 |
Eruaran | Yes but you don't have to "work" on an MCSE ;) | Aug 07 15:01 |
Melio | not really | Aug 07 15:01 |
Melio | but in effect. the student loans I have to pay back | Aug 07 15:01 |
Melio | so I'm WORKING | Aug 07 15:01 |
Melio | sooner or later. to pay for it | Aug 07 15:01 |
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Melio | I'm not the type of guy to take a job just cause they want a windows admin | Aug 07 15:02 |
Melio | and I need the money | Aug 07 15:02 |
Eruaran | I see I'm going to clarify my statements some more | Aug 07 15:02 |
Melio | I'm holding out till I can get a job working for someone I actually believe will make me feel proud to work there | Aug 07 15:02 |
oiaohm_ | MinceR: not really odf 1.2 has passed first stage in the emca so its not far off now. | Aug 07 15:02 |
Eruaran | You don't have to "work" for an MCSE, a donkey could get MCSE. | Aug 07 15:03 |
Melio | blah at odf | Aug 07 15:03 |
Melio | Eruaran: oh I understand your statements | Aug 07 15:03 |
Melio | but since I don't have mcse, A+ or ccna or linux+ or rcne | Aug 07 15:03 |
Melio | I'm Moving towards them | Aug 07 15:03 |
Melio | not much so working | Aug 07 15:03 |
Melio | so I agree | Aug 07 15:03 |
Eruaran | But seriously, MCSE is crap. | Aug 07 15:03 |
Melio | yep | Aug 07 15:03 |
Melio | agreed | Aug 07 15:04 |
Melio | and it's based on bullshit | Aug 07 15:04 |
Melio | but so is iso9000 | Aug 07 15:04 |
Eruaran | If all we see on someone's resume is MCSE, we throw it in the bin. | Aug 07 15:04 |
Melio | and other certifications businesses have to keep you in this droid mode | Aug 07 15:04 |
Melio | what if they mcse, and redhat certitifed | Aug 07 15:04 |
Diablo-D3 | mcse doesnt evne make sense | Aug 07 15:04 |
Melio | and ccna | Aug 07 15:04 |
Melio | and A+, linux+ | Aug 07 15:04 |
Diablo-D3 | mcses cant fix windows more than I can | Aug 07 15:04 |
oiaohm_ | My Linux side got me work. MCSE is worthless here. | Aug 07 15:04 |
Melio | and degrees | Aug 07 15:04 |
Diablo-D3 | you know how I fix windows? | Aug 07 15:05 |
MinceR | Diablo-D3: they can beat you in minesweeper and solitaire though. | Aug 07 15:05 |
Eruaran | oiaohm_: same here | Aug 07 15:05 |
Diablo-D3 | reinstall it. | Aug 07 15:05 |
Melio | I mean I'm kinda stuck in these programs might as well pay the 150$ per test and get the certification | Aug 07 15:05 |
Diablo-D3 | MinceR: cant beat me in pinball though | Aug 07 15:05 |
Melio | you know I'm an A&P mechanic for aircraft | Aug 07 15:05 |
Melio | doesnt mean I give a crap about airplanes | Aug 07 15:05 |
MinceR | well, they don't have a pinball cert program yet, do they? | Aug 07 15:05 |
Melio | if they did, I would get it | Aug 07 15:05 |
Melio | cause i'm bored | Aug 07 15:05 |
Melio | and education is fun | Aug 07 15:05 |
MinceR | they only have this Minesweeper Consultant and Solitaire Expert thing. | Aug 07 15:05 |
Eruaran | If you're a RHCE I'll give you a job. But MCSE = Resume in trash ;) | Aug 07 15:05 |
Melio | what about the certification for ethical hacking | Aug 07 15:05 |
Melio | that's a plus right :P | Aug 07 15:06 |
oiaohm_ | for some employers. | Aug 07 15:06 |
Melio | that's real you know | Aug 07 15:06 |
Melio | would you be a jerk to me if I had ASE certification (automotive) | Aug 07 15:06 |
oiaohm_ | Others will not trust you if you have hacking anything on resume. | Aug 07 15:06 |
Melio | I mean I could fix your car | Aug 07 15:06 |
Eruaran | Only if you want to do the security audit. | Aug 07 15:06 |
Melio | I could be your fleet mechanic, and run linux administration on the side | Aug 07 15:06 |
Melio | and when your private jet needs a patch from a birdstrike | Aug 07 15:07 |
Melio | I'm your man | Aug 07 15:07 |
oiaohm_ | Linux adminitrators can fix windows machines. | Aug 07 15:07 |
oiaohm_ | Ok don't like it but we can. | Aug 07 15:07 |
oiaohm_ | Now the mirror is not true. | Aug 07 15:07 |
Melio | you broke an ftp site? | Aug 07 15:07 |
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oiaohm_ | Ie windows administrators fixing a Linux machine. | Aug 07 15:08 |
Melio | oh well i"m going to have a bunch of certs | Aug 07 15:08 |
oiaohm_ | Its funny. | Aug 07 15:08 |
Melio | oh true | Aug 07 15:08 |
Melio | yeah they wouldnt know where to start | Aug 07 15:08 |
Melio | I'm trying to help these guys migrate skills to linux | Aug 07 15:08 |
Melio | and they freak out when there's two windows boot.ini entries with wubi | Aug 07 15:08 |
oiaohm_ | Linux you know the low level stuff. | Aug 07 15:08 |
Melio | OMG | Aug 07 15:08 |
Melio | it haxored the boot.ini | Aug 07 15:08 |
Melio | linux broke windows | Aug 07 15:08 |
Melio | lol | Aug 07 15:08 |
Eruaran | They'd maybe start by finding the terminal and typing "msconfig" | Aug 07 15:09 |
Eruaran | ;) | Aug 07 15:09 |
Melio | or checkdisk | Aug 07 15:09 |
Melio | heh | Aug 07 15:09 |
Eruaran | heh | Aug 07 15:09 |
Eruaran | or regedit | Aug 07 15:09 |
Melio | regedit works with wine ya know | Aug 07 15:09 |
Melio | Heh | Aug 07 15:09 |
Melio | that can get confusing | Aug 07 15:09 |
Eruaran | omg | Aug 07 15:09 |
Melio | lol it fired right up | Aug 07 15:09 |
Eruaran | I've never even thought of trying that with Wine | Aug 07 15:09 |
oiaohm_ | Yes regedit will put up regedit if wine is installed on Linux. | Aug 07 15:09 |
Melio | regedit in linux fires up wine | Aug 07 15:09 |
oiaohm_ | So really screwing up windows admins even more. | Aug 07 15:10 |
Melio | you can have fun and delete every key | Aug 07 15:10 |
Eruaran | lol | Aug 07 15:10 |
Melio | cause it doesnt effect you at all | Aug 07 15:10 |
Eruaran | theoretically | Aug 07 15:10 |
oiaohm_ | Also lot of windows admins have trouble getting use to the Linux idea of being graphically loged in twice ie. user and admin on a client machine at the same time doing different things. | Aug 07 15:11 |
Eruaran | you could laugh like a madman while deleting registry keys and watch the Windows admin start to panic and call someone | Aug 07 15:11 |
oiaohm_ | bsod screen saver on Linux is fun. | Aug 07 15:11 |
Eruaran | all hail the bsod | Aug 07 15:12 |
Eruaran | I argued with this idiot the other day | Aug 07 15:13 |
Eruaran | was a waste of time | Aug 07 15:13 |
Eruaran | he reckons he's a technician | Aug 07 15:13 |
Eruaran | and claims that in his all of 2 years being a tech | Aug 07 15:13 |
Eruaran | he's never seen a bsod | Aug 07 15:13 |
oiaohm_ | That is possiable. | Aug 07 15:13 |
MinceR | maybe he managed default config xp-s and has a slow reaction time | Aug 07 15:14 |
Eruaran | We see them weekly | Aug 07 15:14 |
MinceR | s/ time$// | Aug 07 15:14 |
oiaohm_ | I had a guy working for me who only saw his first bsod 3 years working. | Aug 07 15:14 |
Eruaran | it still counts as a bsod though | Aug 07 15:14 |
MinceR | (m$ "fixed" bsod-s by immediately rebooting by default) | Aug 07 15:14 |
Eruaran | just because Windows doesn't show it, doesn't mean it didn't happen | Aug 07 15:14 |
MinceR | but he didn't see it :> | Aug 07 15:14 |
MinceR | hm, blind technician -- never seen a bsod, ever! | Aug 07 15:15 |
oiaohm_ | I don't see them weekly. | Aug 07 15:16 |
MinceR | neither do i, but then again most weeks i don't even boot windows | Aug 07 15:16 |
oiaohm_ | Since I am the Linux person i get paided more. | Aug 07 15:16 |
oiaohm_ | I only see windows when its doing something really off the wall. | Aug 07 15:16 |
oiaohm_ | BSOD does not fall into that camp. | Aug 07 15:17 |
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oiaohm_ | Like Vista taking 30 mins to login and no internet yet no BSOD. | Aug 07 15:17 |
oiaohm_ | Yep network stack crashed. | Aug 07 15:17 |
oiaohm_ | Has to be manually restarted because windows does not restart is network stack fresh after a reboot. | Aug 07 15:18 |
oiaohm_ | Ie pure insane. | Aug 07 15:18 |
Eruaran | @$%!%^!@&^$% | Aug 07 15:18 |
MinceR | lol | Aug 07 15:18 |
Eruaran | The guys at work think I'm funny when I rage out because of Windows | Aug 07 15:19 |
Eruaran | I just can't put up with it | Aug 07 15:19 |
oiaohm_ | They know I hate it too. | Aug 07 15:19 |
oiaohm_ | Yet strange problems due to low level knowledge I normally find it avoiding a reformat. | Aug 07 15:20 |
oiaohm_ | Its sad how often a pure windows tech formats a windows machine without need. | Aug 07 15:20 |
Eruaran | yep | Aug 07 15:20 |
Eruaran | This is a common little piece of dialogue where I work: | Aug 07 15:21 |
Eruaran | "how did you fix it ?" | Aug 07 15:21 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Microsoft Windows Zombies Also Knocked Facebook and Gawker Offline, More “Critical” Microsoft Flaws Discovered http://ping.fm/8f2Ru | Aug 07 15:21 | |
Eruaran | "ubuntu" | Aug 07 15:21 |
Eruaran | We use live cd's daily | Aug 07 15:21 |
Eruaran | or a usb key | Aug 07 15:22 |
oiaohm_ | My normal answer to how did you fix it? Is I let a penguin lose on it. | Aug 07 15:22 |
Eruaran | heh | Aug 07 15:22 |
oiaohm_ | I have a custom Linux disk that checks windows machines for a lot of windows faults and sets up auto runs to fix it. | Aug 07 15:22 |
oiaohm_ | Basically I got sick of manually fixing windows so much. | Aug 07 15:23 |
Eruaran | ooh | Aug 07 15:23 |
Eruaran | can i haz a copy | Aug 07 15:23 |
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oiaohm_ | No Eruaran its a work in progress. | Aug 07 15:23 |
Eruaran | I've never gotten around to doing anything like that | Aug 07 15:23 |
Eruaran | aw | Aug 07 15:23 |
Eruaran | I'll beta test it for you ;) | Aug 07 15:24 |
oiaohm_ | I guess you don't have 2000 of the windows pests to take care of. | Aug 07 15:24 |
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Eruaran | no, plus I get too busy with other things | Aug 07 15:24 |
oiaohm_ | There was a case of 200 down at the same time. | Aug 07 15:25 |
oiaohm_ | And I kinda needed to replicate self some how. | Aug 07 15:25 |
oiaohm_ | So I used the normal Linux solution script it. | Aug 07 15:25 |
Eruaran | yep | Aug 07 15:25 |
Eruaran | in that situation, I think I'd be doing the same thing | Aug 07 15:26 |
oiaohm_ | core bit is chntpw to access registry to check particular keys. | Aug 07 15:26 |
Eruaran | Ive used it but never automated it | Aug 07 15:26 |
oiaohm_ | Also a back up image to compare to down machines to work out what had been altered to make signatures to detect faults. | Aug 07 15:26 |
oiaohm_ | Basically I want windows dead. So it would go against my grain to start shipping tools around the world to fix some of its issues. | Aug 07 15:27 |
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Balrog | good morning | Aug 07 15:30 |
Balrog | oiaohm_: that would be a nice tool to have ;) | Aug 07 15:31 |
Eruaran | oiaohm_: I'm just lazy, I want to have less work to do ;) | Aug 07 15:32 |
Eruaran | I want to sip coffee and talk about whats in the playground repos | Aug 07 15:33 |
Eruaran | not fix winblows systems | Aug 07 15:33 |
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oiaohm_ | Problem with making them too simple to fix is there is no motivation to move off them Eruaran. | Aug 07 15:34 |
Eruaran | yes | Aug 07 15:37 |
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Balrog | maybe. but we're forced to use windows :( | Aug 07 15:40 |
Balrog | or at least support it | Aug 07 15:40 |
Balrog | we don't use it | Aug 07 15:41 |
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satipera | uk id card cloned in 12 hours :) over at the inquirer | Aug 07 15:42 |
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Balrog | not 12 hours | Aug 07 15:47 |
Balrog | 12 minutes IIRC | Aug 07 15:47 |
Balrog | http://it.slashdot.org/story/09/08/07/0335227/UK-National-ID-Card-Cloned-In-12-Minutes?art_pos=7 | Aug 07 15:48 |
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Melio | neat | Aug 07 15:48 |
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vida18 | Microsoft Patents XML Word Processing Documents | Aug 07 15:48 |
Balrog | I heard | Aug 07 15:48 |
vida18 | http://yro.slashdot.org/story/09/08/06/2322209/Microsoft-Patents-XML-Word-Processing-Documents?art_pos=5 | Aug 07 15:48 |
Melio | so.. umm opendoc is microsofts? | Aug 07 15:49 |
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Melio | Here's how to do it: Sign in to Xbox.com and head to the account summary page. From there choose “Manage Payment Options” then click “Add a new PayPal Account.” Follow the instructions and bam, you're done. This service is for use only in the U.S. You can set up multiple PayPal accounts, but PayPal can only be used to purchase Microsoft Points. | Aug 07 15:50 |
Melio | xbox adds paypal support | Aug 07 15:50 |
Melio | for points for now | Aug 07 15:50 |
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neighborlee | I had one ( if your referring to 360 that is), and returned it for ps3 when I learned I had to spend another $100 for the priviledge of getting online with it so at that point the ps3 was all of a sudden much more attractive..I still prefer wiii though as its much lower power usage is agreeable to me on many levels ;) | Aug 07 15:53 |
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Melio | neightborlee, power usage? you must be european :P | Aug 07 15:54 |
neighborlee | hardly | Aug 07 15:55 |
neighborlee | not that i'd not mind per se , but no ;) | Aug 07 15:55 |
neighborlee | washingtonean ;) | Aug 07 15:55 |
Melio | like seattle? | Aug 07 15:55 |
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neighborlee | yuppers | Aug 07 15:55 |
Melio | are you a granola? | Aug 07 15:55 |
Melio | heh | Aug 07 15:55 |
neighborlee | oh yes, quite :) | Aug 07 15:56 |
Melio | wow. I'm going to ping you for data tehn | Aug 07 15:56 |
Melio | I need to build hippy devices | Aug 07 15:56 |
Melio | like a composter | Aug 07 15:56 |
neighborlee | ha | Aug 07 15:56 |
Melio | I have tons of grass from my lawn mowing expiditions | Aug 07 15:56 |
Melio | and I keep piling it up. and I know there's something GREEN I can do with this crap | Aug 07 15:56 |
Melio | I figure with technology and hippies, I can do pretty much anything cheaply | Aug 07 15:57 |
neighborlee | green is kewl yup | Aug 07 15:57 |
Melio | so here's my proposal | Aug 07 15:57 |
Melio | since i"m not a hippie | Aug 07 15:57 |
Melio | I wouldnt be. naturally. I drive a GTO and use a riding lawn mower | Aug 07 15:57 |
neighborlee | flat out deal is out then | Aug 07 15:57 |
neighborlee | I dont deal with non hippies ROFL | Aug 07 15:57 |
Melio | well I'm trying | Aug 07 15:57 |
Melio | hehe | Aug 07 15:57 |
Melio | I even talk to vegitarians | Aug 07 15:57 |
Melio | about how to make hummus and falafel | Aug 07 15:58 |
Melio | but only cause I'm actually a master arab culinary chef :P | Aug 07 15:58 |
neighborlee | you are doing better | Aug 07 15:58 |
Melio | it would be because of natrualization | Aug 07 15:58 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] A Look at the Microsoft-funded SCO Lawsuit in Light of Newer Anti-Linux Microsoft Lawsuits http://ping.fm/fDYuE | Aug 07 15:58 | |
Melio | it would seem that fava beans are not sold around here where i live | Aug 07 15:58 |
Melio | so Import them from chicago | Aug 07 15:58 |
Melio | and get them to people who want to use them in cooking | Aug 07 15:59 |
Melio | including resturants :p | Aug 07 15:59 |
Melio | I'm not making money on it of course | Aug 07 15:59 |
Melio | don't care | Aug 07 15:59 |
Melio | but anyhow | Aug 07 15:59 |
Melio | are you mechanical in any way? | Aug 07 15:59 |
Melio | engineering I mean | Aug 07 15:59 |
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neighborlee | not that much | Aug 07 16:02 |
neighborlee | my father was engineer though if that counts ;0-0 | Aug 07 16:02 |
neighborlee | never interested me, though engineering in general YES | Aug 07 16:02 |
neighborlee | just not cars per se... | Aug 07 16:02 |
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neighborlee | oh but I can change a tire | Aug 07 16:02 |
neighborlee | ha-ha | Aug 07 16:03 |
Melio | do you have a composter? | Aug 07 16:05 |
Melio | it's basicly a big ass box | Aug 07 16:05 |
Melio | you put your organic material into it | Aug 07 16:05 |
Melio | flip it occasionally | Aug 07 16:05 |
Melio | and then mix it in with soil to get a rich dark dirt that'll grow tomatoes you could throw at obama | Aug 07 16:05 |
Melio | or any figure you dislike for ruining the country | Aug 07 16:05 |
Melio | not that I would | Aug 07 16:06 |
Melio | that's a waste of a good tomatoe | Aug 07 16:06 |
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neighborlee | I have several home made ones | Aug 07 16:08 |
Melio | http://www.neowin.net/news/main/09/08/05/windows-7-rtm-contains-a-rather-nasty-chkdsk-bug | Aug 07 16:08 |
Melio | oh my a nasty checkdisk bug | Aug 07 16:08 |
Melio | :p | Aug 07 16:08 |
Balrog | I heard of that | Aug 07 16:08 |
Melio | how will I ever get windows certification if the software is BROKE | Aug 07 16:08 |
Melio | lol | Aug 07 16:08 |
Melio | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KMU0tzLwhbE | Aug 07 16:09 |
neighborlee | JIT to save you from the hell that windows is ? ;) | Aug 07 16:09 |
Melio | is all I gotta say | Aug 07 16:09 |
Melio | neighborlee: how did you make em | Aug 07 16:10 |
neighborlee | raw materials | Aug 07 16:10 |
Melio | wood, chicken wire? | Aug 07 16:10 |
Melio | pics? | Aug 07 16:10 |
neighborlee | yuppers | Aug 07 16:10 |
neighborlee | dont have any | Aug 07 16:10 |
Melio | I'm going to make mine large | Aug 07 16:10 |
Melio | there's a farm next to me, I can use vegitation from that also | Aug 07 16:10 |
Melio | I'm going to make it kinda a community setup | Aug 07 16:10 |
Melio | 2 boxes so we can rotate it | Aug 07 16:10 |
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Balrog | schestowitz: do whe know what patents MS sued Melco over? | Aug 07 16:11 |
Melio | I have 3 distinct personalities. so I should be paid more. lol | Aug 07 16:14 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] The Webcycle: the faster you pedal, the faster your internet connection goes. http://www.tomscott.com/webcycle/ | Aug 07 16:22 | |
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neighborlee | Melio, more or less yeah ;0 | Aug 07 16:22 |
neighborlee | that one outdid even me ;),,dain im good today LOL | Aug 07 16:22 |
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Microsoft May Have Found Company to Pass 2,000+ Employees to; Vista 7 Can Finish Microsoft http://ping.fm/0a52s | Aug 07 16:53 | |
schestowitz | Balrog: no | Aug 07 16:54 |
Balrog | OK :( | Aug 07 16:54 |
Balrog | schestowitz: why isn't BN using Twitter for anything? | Aug 07 16:54 |
Balrog | or at least not making tweets ... | Aug 07 16:55 |
Balrog | about the icon ... Twitter likes square icons | Aug 07 16:55 |
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DaemonFC | schestowitz: You're going to love this | Aug 07 16:57 |
DaemonFC | Comcast has a typosquatting 404 hijacker thing that's redirecting users to a Yahoo/Bing page full of advertisements | Aug 07 16:57 |
schestowitz | Comcastsoft.. | Aug 07 16:57 |
Melio | I just deleted comcast and went back to AT&T cause ma bell has the ill communications | Aug 07 16:58 |
Melio | plus it's cheaper | Aug 07 16:58 |
Melio | stupid comcast | Aug 07 16:58 |
DaemonFC | I got slapped with one earlier and thought something had hijacked my browser til I saw the Comcast logo | Aug 07 16:58 |
DaemonFC | AT&T is even worse | Aug 07 16:58 |
DaemonFC | and I cringe when I say that | Aug 07 16:59 |
DaemonFC | but they are | Aug 07 16:59 |
DaemonFC | they're more expensive than Comcast, lock you into 2 year agreements, silently renew the agreement whenever you make any change to your service, and wreck your credit if you don't pay them a $200 "early cancellation fee", then there's the issue with their censorship | Aug 07 17:00 |
Melio | AT*T doesnt | Aug 07 17:01 |
Melio | belive it or not | Aug 07 17:01 |
Melio | comcast is the 2 year agreement people now | Aug 07 17:01 |
DaemonFC | AT&T and Comcast are both abusive ISPs | Aug 07 17:01 |
Melio | your talking about cell service | Aug 07 17:01 |
DaemonFC | no, talking about their DSL | Aug 07 17:01 |
Melio | my dsl package has no agreements | Aug 07 17:01 |
DaemonFC | they're still sending me letters wanting me to pay up | Aug 07 17:01 |
Melio | I do have to keep it for a certain amount of time for rebates tho | Aug 07 17:01 |
DaemonFC | and I ditched them in January 2008 | Aug 07 17:01 |
Melio | well comcast is slower then dsl around here | Aug 07 17:01 |
Balrog | DaemonFC: censorship? | Aug 07 17:02 |
Melio | so I have no real choice in the matter except 1 | Aug 07 17:02 |
Melio | go back to comcast and deal with it | Aug 07 17:02 |
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Melio | I would rather not | Aug 07 17:02 |
Melio | hopefully I can stick with dsl | Aug 07 17:02 |
Melio | if not, I'm going with hughes net | Aug 07 17:02 |
Melio | so I can portablize my internet | Aug 07 17:02 |
DaemonFC | Balrog: Yeah, AT&T blocked 4chan, then a couple years ago they censored out "f--- George Bush" from a "live" concert | Aug 07 17:02 |
Melio | portableize | Aug 07 17:02 |
DaemonFC | that they had on like a 5 second delay | Aug 07 17:02 |
Melio | that's fine | Aug 07 17:02 |
Melio | censorship doesnt happen where I watch tv | Aug 07 17:02 |
Melio | 4chan being blocked is kidna strange | Aug 07 17:03 |
DaemonFC | the 4chan block was the funniest | Aug 07 17:03 |
DaemonFC | yeah, get the Japanophiles all riled up when they can't get to their Hentai torrents | Aug 07 17:03 |
DaemonFC | big mistake | Aug 07 17:03 |
DaemonFC | :P | Aug 07 17:03 |
Balrog | censorship like that should happen only on broadcast TV (and radio), but not on other places | Aug 07 17:04 |
DaemonFC | right, the FCC censors over-the-air TV and radio | Aug 07 17:04 |
Balrog | broadcast doesn't include most of cable and satellite | Aug 07 17:04 |
Balrog | yes. | Aug 07 17:04 |
DaemonFC | but internet streaming isn't in their jurisdiction | Aug 07 17:04 |
Balrog | well certainly | Aug 07 17:04 |
Balrog | that is up to the site it's coming from | Aug 07 17:05 |
Balrog | like YouTube | Aug 07 17:05 |
DaemonFC | they also can't censor TV channels that are cable or satellite only | Aug 07 17:05 |
DaemonFC | though a lot of channels have their own policies | Aug 07 17:05 |
DaemonFC | HBO would be well within their rights to show hardcore porn | Aug 07 17:05 |
DaemonFC | they don't though | Aug 07 17:05 |
DaemonFC | Comcast is so intertwined with all the internet parasites anymore, Sandvine traffic degradation and now Bing search hijacking | Aug 07 17:07 |
Melio | lol yep | Aug 07 17:07 |
DaemonFC | it's kind of hard to decide which ISP I want to be bent over by | Aug 07 17:07 |
Melio | anyhow I'm getting directtv installed today | Aug 07 17:07 |
Melio | and I got my dialtone from AT&T earlyer today | Aug 07 17:07 |
Melio | plus I cut like 2 other neighbors lawns | Aug 07 17:07 |
Melio | with my riding lawn mower | Aug 07 17:07 |
Melio | cause it's fucking fun to drive that thing around and cut grass with it | Aug 07 17:08 |
Melio | no seriously, it's fun | Aug 07 17:08 |
DaemonFC | turns out Comcast is still using Sandvine | Aug 07 17:08 |
DaemonFC | they monitor "heavy users" and throttle you during "peak hours" | Aug 07 17:08 |
neighborlee | Melio, you neeed to get out more often | Aug 07 17:08 |
neighborlee | heh | Aug 07 17:08 |
DaemonFC | they're using Sandvine to enforce that | Aug 07 17:08 |
Melio | can't | Aug 07 17:09 |
Melio | too much grass to cut | Aug 07 17:09 |
Melio | soon as I'm done | Aug 07 17:09 |
Melio | I have to refill the tank and start cutting again | Aug 07 17:09 |
Melio | i'm kidding | Aug 07 17:09 |
Melio | I do it about 1 time a week | Aug 07 17:09 |
DaemonFC | I had a fairly complicated setup to evade Sandvine back when they were throttling bittorrent | Aug 07 17:09 |
Melio | yesterday I was at hooters | Aug 07 17:09 |
Melio | I took my kid to see cleavage and camel toe | Aug 07 17:09 |
DaemonFC | I had some limited success with folling it | Aug 07 17:09 |
DaemonFC | *fooling | Aug 07 17:09 |
DaemonFC | the problem was that to break the connections between the seeder and leecher, Sandvine would send out a forged TCP reset packet to both parties | Aug 07 17:10 |
DaemonFC | so just dropping the packet you get doesn't fix the problem | Aug 07 17:11 |
DaemonFC | I still have to wonder why Comcast blogs about this crap like it was a feature | Aug 07 17:13 |
DaemonFC | http://www.comcastvoices.com/2009/08/domain-helper-national-rollout-begins.html | Aug 07 17:13 |
DaemonFC | one look at the comments telsl you that nobody is buying it | Aug 07 17:13 |
Balrog | there are zero comments? | Aug 07 17:13 |
DaemonFC | 29 comments | Aug 07 17:14 |
DaemonFC | pretty much all by users complaining about it | Aug 07 17:14 |
DaemonFC | I posted one that isn't "approved" yet :P | Aug 07 17:14 |
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DaemonFC | I wonder how much money Microsoft slipped over the fence for this | Aug 07 17:15 |
DaemonFC | because you know Yahoo is broke and a Microsoft sockpuppet now | Aug 07 17:15 |
DaemonFC | I was reading somewhere this morning that Microsoft is paying Yahoo $50 million a year for the next 3 years and hiring 400 Yahoo employees to work on Bing, and they also got themselves a license to use Yahoo's stuff in Bing, all Yahoo searches are Bing searches, and they split the ad money, with Yahoo getting most of it | Aug 07 17:17 |
DaemonFC | they effectively have merged as much as the law would allow | Aug 07 17:17 |
DaemonFC | I wouldn't be surprised if Microsoft starts buying up all the little fish search engines, or entering into "deals" | Aug 07 17:19 |
DaemonFC | pretty much everything out there that's not Google is borderline broke anyway | Aug 07 17:19 |
DaemonFC | schestowitz: Did you see where MS has the patent for storing office documents in XML? | Aug 07 17:23 |
DaemonFC | that's going to be interesting if they ever try to use it against anyone, especially since other XML formats were out there before theirs | Aug 07 17:24 |
Balrog | DaemonFC: Google couldn't do that but MS can :\ | Aug 07 17:24 |
DaemonFC | Balrog: Microsoft is framing the whole thing as they are David to the Google Goliath | Aug 07 17:24 |
DaemonFC | and that Google is a search monopoly | Aug 07 17:24 |
DaemonFC | they've even asked the US DOJ to investigate Google | Aug 07 17:25 |
DaemonFC | publicity stunt | Aug 07 17:25 |
Balrog | I know :( | Aug 07 17:27 |
Balrog | and Apple's current actions (which are likely under the pressure of AT&T) aren't helping anyone | Aug 07 17:27 |
DaemonFC | I'm hoping the FCC takes action against Apple/AT&T | Aug 07 17:28 |
Balrog | It's mostly about that exclusivity contract, I think | Aug 07 17:28 |
DaemonFC | they may or may not, both sides are huge, obscenely wealthy corporations | Aug 07 17:28 |
DaemonFC | so it's anyones guess | Aug 07 17:28 |
DaemonFC | usually the FCC just decides in favor of who has the most money | Aug 07 17:28 |
Balrog | hopefully it turns out like the ATT decision in the 70's | Aug 07 17:29 |
Balrog | I'll bbl | Aug 07 17:29 |
DaemonFC | well, the AT&T decisision was largely responsible for giving rise to Microsoft | Aug 07 17:29 |
DaemonFC | so it had some unintended consequences | Aug 07 17:29 |
DaemonFC | even if it did some short term good | Aug 07 17:29 |
DaemonFC | that's why I'm on the fence about antitrust complaints against Microsoft, it could give us a repeat of monopoly taken down > power vaccum > something worse comes along | Aug 07 17:30 |
Melio | dude | Aug 07 17:31 |
Melio | stop buying microsoft shit | Aug 07 17:31 |
Melio | and microsoft will fail | Aug 07 17:31 |
Melio | tell people, STOP BUYING IT | Aug 07 17:31 |
Melio | and people will stop buying it | Aug 07 17:31 |
Melio | become that lead IT manager | Aug 07 17:31 |
Melio | and tell your corporate assholes.. STOP buying it | Aug 07 17:31 |
Melio | and they will | Aug 07 17:31 |
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Melio | that's my plan | Aug 07 17:32 |
Melio | what's yours? | Aug 07 17:32 |
DaemonFC | companies take the path of least resistence | Aug 07 17:32 |
Melio | I'll give them the path of least resistance | Aug 07 17:32 |
DaemonFC | that so happens to be Windows some of the time just because they've accumulated so much of a system that relies on it | Aug 07 17:32 |
Melio | accountants never ever told me how to do my job | Aug 07 17:32 |
neighborlee | that wont work melio | Aug 07 17:32 |
neighborlee | you cant force people..or TELL them anything | Aug 07 17:32 |
Melio | I told them how to spend money | Aug 07 17:32 |
neighborlee | they must experience it | Aug 07 17:33 |
Melio | bullshit :p | Aug 07 17:33 |
DaemonFC | it's like saying that you've shot yourself in the foot, so you might as well shoot your other one too | Aug 07 17:33 |
Melio | technologists put companies into microsofts hands | Aug 07 17:33 |
Melio | because they were lazy | Aug 07 17:33 |
Melio | trust me | Aug 07 17:33 |
Melio | I was lazy once | Aug 07 17:33 |
neighborlee | we should not be zealots about this | Aug 07 17:33 |
Melio | I know how this works :P | Aug 07 17:33 |
DaemonFC | companies see it as spreadign the cost evenly over the next x number of years | Aug 07 17:33 |
neighborlee | its fine to encourage..educate..discuss | Aug 07 17:33 |
DaemonFC | vs. spending less but all at once | Aug 07 17:33 |
Melio | I know how companies do it | Aug 07 17:33 |
neighborlee | but lets keep it out of the other stage ;) | Aug 07 17:33 |
Melio | I've spent millions on the shit | Aug 07 17:33 |
neighborlee | like I haven't | Aug 07 17:33 |
Melio | not saying you havent either | Aug 07 17:33 |
Melio | I worked for the DOD | Aug 07 17:34 |
schestowitz | Look at this junk... http://yro.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1328507&cid=28981679 | Aug 07 17:34 |
DaemonFC | it's like renewing your car insurance | Aug 07 17:34 |
Melio | I had microsoft pouring out of my pants | Aug 07 17:34 |
DaemonFC | where Linux is the pay in full discount | Aug 07 17:34 |
neighborlee | Melio, lol | Aug 07 17:34 |
neighborlee | eek ;) | Aug 07 17:34 |
DaemonFC | but Microsoft is the minimum payment | Aug 07 17:34 |
neighborlee | nasty visual o_0 | Aug 07 17:34 |
neighborlee | heh | Aug 07 17:34 |
schestowitz | DaemonFC: I'm writing about XML patents ATM | Aug 07 17:34 |
neighborlee | but yes.MS bites I totally agree | Aug 07 17:34 |
neighborlee | they aren't even clever about it..not really | Aug 07 17:34 |
Melio | schestowitz: you live with your parents? | Aug 07 17:35 |
neighborlee | but anyway gotta run..clients needs | Aug 07 17:35 |
neighborlee | bbl have fun ;0-0 | Aug 07 17:35 |
Melio | well sir. that automatic disqualifies you from being a spendoholic | Aug 07 17:35 |
Melio | :P | Aug 07 17:35 |
schestowitz | Melio: no | Aug 07 17:35 |
DaemonFC | I managed to hack together all my old Doom, Hexen, and Quake games together into Doomsday Engine | Aug 07 17:35 |
schestowitz | It's lots of lies there | Aug 07 17:35 |
DaemonFC | my eyes are kind of dry from playing Doom since midnight :P | Aug 07 17:35 |
schestowitz | That's why I show this | Aug 07 17:35 |
Melio | schestowitz I'v been called worse | Aug 07 17:35 |
Melio | infact | Aug 07 17:35 |
Melio | if people dont want me dead | Aug 07 17:36 |
Melio | I'm not doing it right | Aug 07 17:36 |
Melio | that's kinda my way of life | Aug 07 17:36 |
DaemonFC | Microsoft is already in trouble with Windows 7 | Aug 07 17:36 |
schestowitz | To say the least | Aug 07 17:36 |
Melio | I prefer insulting religion over microsoft. but microsoft seems to be current religion I'm trying to debunk | Aug 07 17:36 |
DaemonFC | it's already cracked and it's not even up for sale til October | Aug 07 17:36 |
schestowitz | W-E ran out of steam | Aug 07 17:36 |
schestowitz | Perception Managemetn Fail(R) | Aug 07 17:36 |
Melio | religious whackos are no differnt from microsoft fanboys | Aug 07 17:36 |
schestowitz | Microsoft should call Edelman's troops to help W-E | Aug 07 17:36 |
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DaemonFC | they're trying every kind of incentive they can think of to keep more customers from leaving them | Aug 07 17:37 |
schestowitz | I suppose DaemonFC missed the attacka from Microsoft technical Evangelist/s on me and BN | Aug 07 17:37 |
DaemonFC | I read his side of it | Aug 07 17:37 |
DaemonFC | I would have agreed with his argument if he had even bothered to admit who he was in the comment | Aug 07 17:38 |
DaemonFC | just one line saying "Disclaimer: I work for Microsoft" would have been plenty | Aug 07 17:39 |
DaemonFC | they know that nobody is going to do more than skim over their comment | Aug 07 17:39 |
DaemonFC | it takes work to follow it back to their blog where is says on page 12 that they work at Microsoft as a tech evangelist | Aug 07 17:39 |
Xarver | schestowitz: by the way, Mandriva is working like a gem now :) | Aug 07 17:40 |
DaemonFC | that thing about Microsoft hiring a gas station attendent off the street to lead their IE development was really twisted | Aug 07 17:40 |
DaemonFC | makes me wonder who that guy is related to | Aug 07 17:41 |
DaemonFC | :P | Aug 07 17:41 |
DaemonFC | am I the only person who finds it odd that the guy went from making minimum wage, no education, no background or degree, to managing IE development in under a year? | Aug 07 17:42 |
DaemonFC | that kind of stuff doesn't just happen | Aug 07 17:42 |
MinceR | doomsday engine supports quake now? | Aug 07 17:43 |
DaemonFC | yep | Aug 07 17:44 |
DaemonFC | Doomsday is a pretty good engine | Aug 07 17:44 |
DaemonFC | I tried running the Doom 95 EXE and found that Windows 7 breaks it because it depends on a few things that were obsoleted in XP and Vista | Aug 07 17:45 |
DaemonFC | it depended on a vxd-style mouse driver which NT has never supported, and directplay, which was killed off in Vista | Aug 07 17:45 |
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DaemonFC | and Windows Display Driver Model kind of finished it off | Aug 07 17:46 |
DaemonFC | it runs fine in Doomsday though, you just need the WAD | Aug 07 17:46 |
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DaemonFC | nice | Aug 07 17:51 |
DaemonFC | looks like Apogee released a bunch of source code for their old DOS games | Aug 07 17:55 |
DaemonFC | under GPL | Aug 07 17:55 |
DaemonFC | http://www.3drealms.com/news/2009/03/several_old_games_released_as_freeware.html | Aug 07 17:55 |
DaemonFC | old news, but I jsut stumbled on it | Aug 07 17:56 |
DaemonFC | heh, EGA/CGA | Aug 07 17:57 |
DaemonFC | now that's OLD | Aug 07 17:57 |
schestowitz | Xarver: good to hear | Aug 07 17:59 |
Xarver | hmm strange my volume control won't let me mute or edit it and it says video | Aug 07 17:59 |
schestowitz | WHich volume control? | Aug 07 18:00 |
schestowitz | You can add a volume widget to the KDE panels | Aug 07 18:00 |
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Xarver | kmixer | Aug 07 18:01 |
Xarver | the one on the panel | Aug 07 18:02 |
DaemonFC | hmmm, downstairs neighbors are moving out, yay | Aug 07 18:05 |
Xarver | :P | Aug 07 18:06 |
DaemonFC | play my music as loud as I want and steal back the good parking spot | Aug 07 18:06 |
DaemonFC | :P | Aug 07 18:06 |
Xarver | lol | Aug 07 18:07 |
DaemonFC | I did notice one interesting thing about Windows 7 | Aug 07 18:18 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Microsoft Keeps Trying to Inject Software Patents Into ODF and Other Standards http://ping.fm/Ti5bm | Aug 07 18:18 | |
schestowitz | Vista 7 | Aug 07 18:18 |
DaemonFC | it doesn't fight with Linux over the system clock | Aug 07 18:18 |
DaemonFC | when DST kicks in | Aug 07 18:18 |
DaemonFC | it supports coordinated unioversal time finally | Aug 07 18:19 |
DaemonFC | *universal | Aug 07 18:19 |
DaemonFC | I haven't been able to find any reference to Active Desktop | Aug 07 18:23 |
DaemonFC | that is, a web page as wallpaper | Aug 07 18:23 |
DaemonFC | I always did think that was kind of silly | Aug 07 18:23 |
Xarver | KDE should sue Micro$oft | Aug 07 18:35 |
Xarver | :P | Aug 07 18:35 |
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schestowitz | KDE is too nice for that | Aug 07 19:00 |
schestowitz | Let Microsoft be the crazy one... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xR-P6HPZgMs&feature=rel | Aug 07 19:00 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] NotN: Ronnie Biggs set loose to terrorise nation http://bit.ly/TzJRu | Aug 07 19:02 | |
DaemonFC | schestowitz: Don't you mean this? | Aug 07 19:02 |
DaemonFC | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZIk4qTKmKzE | Aug 07 19:02 |
Melio | dish guy is on my roof putting in the super dish | Aug 07 19:12 |
Eruaran | I've been looking at ISO_29500_2008_Defect_Report.pdf | Aug 07 19:12 |
Melio | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C5oGaZIKYvo&feature=related | Aug 07 19:13 |
Eruaran | What a ridiculous pile of excrement | Aug 07 19:13 |
Melio | iphone is putting apple's stock at double what it's worth | Aug 07 19:14 |
Melio | appl is up 2.35 points right now | Aug 07 19:14 |
Melio | aapl sorry | Aug 07 19:14 |
Melio | Stocks are rallying, driving the Standard & Poor's 500 Index to a 10-month high on Friday after a stronger-than-expected jobs report added to recent data pointing to an economic recovery. | Aug 07 19:16 |
Melio | see that's good news | Aug 07 19:16 |
Eruaran | It makes me think that Ballmer could take a large dump and say "here's our specification" and the ISO & ECMA would actually form committees of terribly serious self important morons who will actually sit there picking at this piece of exrement and write reports about it helping Microsoft to get Ballmers faecal matter passed as an international standard. | Aug 07 19:16 |
DaemonFC | hmmm, Duke Nukem: Atomic Edition runs | Aug 07 19:17 |
MinceR | on what? | Aug 07 19:18 |
DaemonFC | Windows 7 | Aug 07 19:26 |
DaemonFC | I've dug out a bunch of old games | Aug 07 19:26 |
DaemonFC | just throwing them all in | Aug 07 19:26 |
Melio | heh | Aug 07 19:27 |
MinceR | and when exactly did we start caring about what runs on vista7? :> | Aug 07 19:33 |
Melio | since he wanted to find out | Aug 07 19:33 |
Melio | it's his project let him blog about it | Aug 07 19:33 |
MinceR | but why here? | Aug 07 19:33 |
Melio | there might be one guy with freelancer that wants to know if it runs | Aug 07 19:33 |
Melio | I dono | Aug 07 19:34 |
Melio | at least he's not complaining about twitter being down | Aug 07 19:34 |
*MinceR waves to twitter | Aug 07 19:34 | |
Xarver | :( | Aug 07 19:34 |
Xarver | hehe look at this :D http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aXOQZ8MRvB4&NR=1 | Aug 07 19:35 |
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Please Sign Petition to Protest Amazon’s Remote Deletion of 1984 and Animal Farm http://ping.fm/DmJrC | Aug 07 19:36 | |
schestowitz | Xarver: he threw an egg at a chicken | Aug 07 19:37 |
Xarver | tehee | Aug 07 19:37 |
Xarver | :P | Aug 07 19:37 |
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] The decline and fall of the internet troll http://is.gd/26QHP | Aug 07 19:50 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] RT @jsalsman the internet has interpreted #Apple as damage to the #iPhone and has routed around it http://bit.ly/cXA2m | Aug 07 19:51 | |
schestowitz | Baby emissions fuel global warming < http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/blog/2009/aug/04/population-climate-change-birth-rates > | Aug 07 19:53 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Extradition: A bad and unfair treaty < http://ping.fm/cmsJt >To say the least... | Aug 07 19:55 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] "Warning: Oil supplies are running out fast" < http://ping.fm/EtIkL > Energy will still exist, but not in a readily available form that ... | Aug 07 19:56 | |
schestowitz | How to avoid being captured on CCTV < http://www.techradar.com/news/world-of-tech/how-to-avoid-being-captured-on-cctv-244353 > | Aug 07 19:56 |
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schestowitz | A Single Command Install of Thunderbird 3 beta 3 on Ubuntu < http://www.kabatology.com/07/29/a-single-command-install-of-thunderbird-3-beta-3-on-ubuntu/ > Will extensions already b compatible with TB3? | Aug 07 19:59 |
schestowitz | Mono advocate offers Mono-free Ubuntu remix < http://www.itwire.com/content/view/26797/1231/ > | Aug 07 20:00 |
schestowitz | How about coverage for Bloatnux? | Aug 07 20:01 |
schestowitz | Good photo: http://blogs.dailynews.com/click/2009/08/booting-puppy-412-from-a-usb-s.html | Aug 07 20:03 |
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schestowitz | Ghosts Selling Drugs < http://www.prwatch.org/node/8487 > | Aug 07 20:14 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Windows DDOS attacks against Twitter have not ended. http://ping.fm/4cIA4 (ÜberTwitter Still Busted - That's ÜberLame) | Aug 07 20:17 | |
schestowitz | YouTube Launches Site for Smartphones < http://www.webpronews.com/topnews/2009/08/07/youtube-launches-site-for-smartphones > | Aug 07 20:17 |
DaemonFC | http://www.abcactionnews.com/content/news/weird/story/Man-claims-hes-jailed-because-cats-computer-skills/c6OaXG7JW0uOis9k9a33XA.cspx | Aug 07 20:31 |
DaemonFC | http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9136362/_Dumb_Windows_7_upgrade_chart_sparks_spat?taxonomyId=123 | Aug 07 20:33 |
funny comments on the ITWire story, but I'm not sure why people pay attention to Jo Shields. -> Let's see, this is the same Jo shields who has been dishing out insults, evasions, and misinformation, calls this remix Chicken Little, giving advice on good… | Aug 07 20:33 | |
DaemonFC | that's kind of what was bound to happen when they released 6 versions of Vista | Aug 07 20:33 |
DaemonFC | a nightmarish flow chart describing what version of Windows 7 upgrade you can run | Aug 07 20:33 |
schestowitz | Google News was broken yesterday | Aug 07 20:33 |
schestowitz | It displays 2-week-old news as new | Aug 07 20:34 |
DaemonFC | to make things worse, Vista Ultimate users have to upgrade to Windows 7 Ultimate even though there's no reason to have it | Aug 07 20:34 |
DaemonFC | Pro added all the Media Center stuff | Aug 07 20:35 |
DaemonFC | so they're caught with an extra expensive upgrade for probably no reason | Aug 07 20:35 |
DaemonFC | http://mossblog.allthingsd.com/files/2009/08/windows-upgrade-chart.png | Aug 07 20:36 |
DaemonFC | kind of reminds me of Tetris | Aug 07 20:36 |
I've seen that before. Your analysis of MoG flashbacks and other SEO techniques probably applies here. | Aug 07 20:36 | |
DaemonFC | I should post that to YTMND with some horror music | Aug 07 20:37 |
DaemonFC | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y4OxmXpKCcI | Aug 07 20:38 |
DaemonFC | what's the name of this music? | Aug 07 20:39 |
DaemonFC | I think that would be perfect | Aug 07 20:39 |
schestowitz | DaemonFC: it's Carmina Burana | Aug 07 20:45 |
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[tracyrreed] Linux admin demand up 50%, MCSEs are down 28.6%, MCSAs are down 33%. Go Free(dom) Software! http://bit.ly/jWVM8 | Aug 07 20:49 | |
schestowitz | amarsh04_: http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/1496591/hp-slashes-eds-salaries-half (HP slashes EDS salaries by half) | Aug 07 20:50 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] @schestowitz livejournal is still having problems too | Aug 07 20:51 | |
schestowitz | "New ID cards [...] ook our expert 12 minutes to clone one, and programme it with false data" http://ping.fm/d2iG5 | Aug 07 20:52 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Microsoft only releases Vista 7 to fans so that early reviews will seem positive ("fans" after all): http://ping.fm/je1yc | Aug 07 20:52 | |
very nice comment from Slashdot. TEs are so witless | Aug 07 20:52 | |
schestowitz | Which one? | Aug 07 20:53 |
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schestowitz | The libel? | Aug 07 20:53 |
_goblin | hi all | Aug 07 20:54 |
There's all sorts of libel all over that thread. I noticed the one about hot sex. | Aug 07 20:55 | |
What would a TE know about sex? | Aug 07 20:55 | |
The charming "white picket fence" thing is so transparent. | Aug 07 20:55 | |
_goblin | lol.... | Aug 07 20:56 |
schestowitz | _goblin: for context, it's some comment in /. | Aug 07 20:56 |
_goblin | picked up in the middle of your conversation... | Aug 07 20:56 |
schestowitz | Slashdot linked to BN, so the slimers took it upon themselves to randomly spread lies about me | Aug 07 20:56 |
schestowitz | SOmething like "c0ck-sucking fagg0t" | Aug 07 20:56 |
and your friends, the "M$ Haters" | Aug 07 20:56 | |
schestowitz | Microsoft loves everything! | Aug 07 20:57 |
Xarver | guys, is python.org working for you? | Aug 07 20:57 |
Here's what I saw above for those who missed out http://yro.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1328507&cid=28981679 | Aug 07 20:57 | |
schestowitz | How can anyone not like Microsoft? | Aug 07 20:57 |
schestowitz | THose "haters" | Aug 07 20:57 |
_goblin | as usual, I'd probably take it as an insult if they didnt.....when you hurt the MS faithful they always resort to vulgarity. | Aug 07 20:57 |
_goblin | since theres no chairs about. | Aug 07 20:57 |
schestowitz | Xarver: many sites are messed up | Aug 07 20:57 |
schestowitz | bash-3.2$ ping python.org | Aug 07 20:57 |
schestowitz | PING python.org (82.94.164.162) 56(84) bytes of data. | Aug 07 20:57 |
schestowitz | 64 bytes from dinsdale.python.org (82.94.164.162): icmp_seq=1 ttl=50 time=16.4 ms | Aug 07 20:57 |
schestowitz | 64 bytes from dinsdale.python.org (82.94.164.162): icmp_seq=2 ttl=50 time=16.4 ms | Aug 07 20:57 |
schestowitz | 64 bytes from dinsdale.python.org (82.94.164.162): icmp_seq=3 ttl=50 time=16.3 ms | Aug 07 20:57 |
schestowitz | I'm still on opendns cause of the zombies | Aug 07 20:58 |
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Xarver | schestowitz: Failed to Connect :( | Aug 07 20:58 |
schestowitz | _goblin: I'm sure they get chairlets when they are promoted to full-time TEs | Aug 07 20:59 |
golden chairlet awards | Aug 07 21:00 | |
schestowitz | http://www.heise.de/english/newsticker/news/143200/from/rss09 | Aug 07 21:00 |
like a little trophy for TEs | Aug 07 21:00 | |
schestowitz | THe Golden Shill(R) | Aug 07 21:01 |
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schestowitz | Laura Ensross/Waggener, the legendary winner | Aug 07 21:01 |
_goblin_ | Openbytes is going to be one year old tomorrow..... | Aug 07 21:01 |
schestowitz | TE Laurettes never rest on their laurels | Aug 07 21:01 |
The chairlet has to be for conspicuous vulgarity and insult | Aug 07 21:02 | |
schestowitz | _goblin: BN is over 2 y-o now | Aug 07 21:02 |
schestowitz | Still growing | Aug 07 21:02 |
schestowitz | Over 8000 UIPs yesterday | Aug 07 21:02 |
such awards mean nothing if they don't come form the wider community | Aug 07 21:02 | |
we can help | Aug 07 21:02 | |
_goblin_ | Im including my graphs in the birthday post....they show a massive increase in UIP readers... | Aug 07 21:03 |
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schestowitz | Why is it the people describe more layoffs as good news because the /pace/ is decreased slightly? http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/08/07/us_jobs_report_july09/ | Aug 07 21:08 |
DaemonFC | http://windows7upgrade.ytmnd.com/ | Aug 07 21:08 |
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DaemonFC | hehe | Aug 07 21:08 |
schestowitz | Enough of this guerilla advertising | Aug 07 21:09 |
schestowitz | amarsh04_: http://www.nbcdfw.com/news/local-beat/HPs-Huge-Salary-Cuts-Forcing-Out-Old-EDS-Employees-52485672.html (HP's Huge Salary Cuts Forcing Out Old EDS Employees) How can they do it so radically? | Aug 07 21:09 |
Balrog | schestowitz: remember that many people have dynamic IP addresses | Aug 07 21:10 |
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It's all about keeping people from realizing how robbed they are. | Aug 07 21:10 | |
Good times ahead, trust me. | Aug 07 21:10 | |
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pay no attention to my billions in bonus | Aug 07 21:10 | |
from tax money | Aug 07 21:11 | |
BRBT_ | argh, netsplit :( | Aug 07 21:11 |
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Balrog | sorry | Aug 07 21:11 |
schestowitz | Half of UK firms have lay-off plans < http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/08/07/bcc_job_cuts_survey/ > | Aug 07 21:12 |
schestowitz | The Microsoft folks (Clarke in this case) are plastering Microsoft ads in all sorts of places... http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/08/07/bing_goes_the_internet/ And the Reg's credibility falls a little lower... | Aug 07 21:14 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @davidgerard: http://ping.fm/TMlja "Facebook told BBC News that the strike was aimed at a pro-Georgian blogger known as Cyxymu." | Aug 07 21:16 | |
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] 20 million downloads in 3 months mean that OpenOffice.org is downloaded over 7 million times per month: http://ping.fm/2cPgA | Aug 07 21:34 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] OOo team responds to allegations that it's mimicking the Ribbon usability disaster: http://ping.fm/H3fxO | Aug 07 21:36 | |
schestowitz | AMD does reverse GPGPU, announces OpenCL SDK for x86 < http://arstechnica.com/hardware/news/2009/08/amd-announces-opencl-sdk-for-x86.ars > | Aug 07 21:38 |
trmanco | "Apparently, Apple is worried that the patent holders behind the Theora technology will come knocking with a lawsuit" | Aug 07 21:38 |
trmanco | wtf | Aug 07 21:38 |
trmanco | theora has patents? | Aug 07 21:38 |
schestowitz | There's something | Aug 07 21:39 |
Xarver | bash-3.2$ ping python.org | Aug 07 21:39 |
schestowitz | http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=theora+patent&sourceid=navclient-ff&rlz=1B5GGGL_enGB315GB316&ie=UTF-8 | Aug 07 21:39 |
MinceR | iirc they're licensed to everyone | Aug 07 21:39 |
schestowitz | PING python.or (67.215.65.132) 56(84) bytes of data. | Aug 07 21:40 |
schestowitz | 64 bytes from hit-nxdomain.opendns.com (67.215.65.132): icmp_seq=1 ttl=53 time=6.77 ms | Aug 07 21:40 |
MinceR | and crApple is just spreading FUD, as usual | Aug 07 21:40 |
schestowitz | And Nokia | Aug 07 21:40 |
MinceR | (they've been trying to kill ogg for a while now) | Aug 07 21:40 |
schestowitz | They have a share in the patent pool | Aug 07 21:40 |
MinceR | yes, nokia too | Aug 07 21:40 |
schestowitz | They are part of the same racket that pays them per licence | Aug 07 21:40 |
schestowitz | They don't want to give up this little racket they got going. Microsoft too.. | Aug 07 21:40 |
trmanco | wow | Aug 07 21:40 |
trmanco | python down | Aug 07 21:41 |
schestowitz | I only recently found out about Nokia's 'share of the pot' | Aug 07 21:41 |
trmanco | maybe got hit by a botnot | Aug 07 21:41 |
schestowitz | http://www.w3.org/2007/08/video/positions/Nokia.pdf | Aug 07 21:41 |
trmanco | */net | Aug 07 21:41 |
trmanco | --- python.org ping statistics --- | Aug 07 21:41 |
trmanco | 38 packets transmitted, 0 received, 100% packet loss, time 37049ms | Aug 07 21:41 |
schestowitz | trmanco: not botnot | Aug 07 21:42 |
schestowitz | bot.NET | Aug 07 21:42 |
trmanco | hehe | Aug 07 21:42 |
trmanco | I really wonder if kde is free/safe of mono | Aug 07 21:42 |
trmanco | I should start to learn how to use console based apps | Aug 07 21:43 |
schestowitz | http://blog.dipinkrishna.info/2009/08/links-graphics-and-text-mode-web.html | Aug 07 21:43 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] Is Google spending $106.5m to open source a codec?: http://is.gd/26Wym | Aug 07 21:43 | |
trmanco | just for precaution | Aug 07 21:43 |
schestowitz | trmanco: Google is not a charity | Aug 07 21:43 |
trmanco | and maybe use X for some graphical browser | Aug 07 21:43 |
trmanco | but Google does promote foss | Aug 07 21:43 |
trmanco | I mean, oss | Aug 07 21:44 |
trmanco | they could have spent to $106m in improving theora | Aug 07 21:44 |
trmanco | those* | Aug 07 21:44 |
schestowitz | Twitter, Facebook Attacks No Surprise to Security Experts < http://www.wired.com/epicenter/2009/08/twitter-facebook-attacks-no-surprise-to-security-experts/ > Watch the graph! | Aug 07 21:46 |
schestowitz | trmanco: yes, see my post about Ogg and Googlon2 | Aug 07 21:46 |
trmanco | http://knownissues.blogspot.com/2009/08/distributed-denial-of-service-attack.html | Aug 07 21:47 |
trmanco | hey look | Aug 07 21:47 |
trmanco | botnet attack google too | Aug 07 21:47 |
schestowitz | http://www.wired.com/underwire/2009/08/a-decade-later-the-iron-giants-weaponized-soul-still-stirs/ | Aug 07 21:47 |
trmanco | botnets* | Aug 07 21:47 |
schestowitz | Yes, I know | Aug 07 21:47 |
trmanco | ah | Aug 07 21:47 |
schestowitz | But they won't talk about it | Aug 07 21:48 |
schestowitz | This would make the crackers happy | Aug 07 21:48 |
schestowitz | In BN we don't talk about it in this channel, either | Aug 07 21:48 |
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schestowitz | Groklaw seems to have a "no comment" polic | Aug 07 21:48 |
trmanco | ugh | Aug 07 21:49 |
trmanco | eventually they (bots) will overheat or something and then get a bluescreen | Aug 07 21:49 |
schestowitz | Indictment Comes as Feds Consider Legalizing, Taxing Online Gambling — Update < http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2009/08/indictment-comes-as-feds-consider-legalizing-taxing-online-gaming/ > They glamorise gambling and then take people's dough | Aug 07 21:50 |
schestowitz | trmanco: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/08/06/darpa_buys_british_armour/ (Brit firm sells hi-tech fabric vehicle armour to DARPA) | Aug 07 21:51 |
DaemonFC | of course | Aug 07 21:51 |
DaemonFC | they always figure out a way to take more from you | Aug 07 21:51 |
DaemonFC | they take over a third of it from you before you even get your paycheck | Aug 07 21:51 |
schestowitz | Now, this is cool: http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2009/08/06/amphibious_hybrid/ | Aug 07 21:51 |
schestowitz | ANd those who are 'shrewd' like Microsoft just do the finances in Ireland and pay less than 1% tax | Aug 07 21:52 |
schestowitz | Leaving it to the Joes and Janes of the US of A | Aug 07 21:52 |
schestowitz | Who will pay tax for Microsoft | Aug 07 21:52 |
trmanco | I'm no big fan of the army | Aug 07 21:52 |
DaemonFC | I've done the math before and figured that a person making $10 an hour is lucky to see $5 of it by the time you figure in all the taxes that will be put on that person | Aug 07 21:52 |
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schestowitz | trmanco: how come? You MUST love it | Aug 07 21:52 |
trmanco | but if it weren't fot them, I would be sitting here right now chatting with a computer and an internet connection | Aug 07 21:53 |
trmanco | schestowitz, why me? | Aug 07 21:53 |
schestowitz | How else would you colonise nations for cheaper oil?\ | Aug 07 21:53 |
DaemonFC | the government is smart enough to not take it from you all in one place | Aug 07 21:53 |
schestowitz | [And heap labour] | Aug 07 21:53 |
schestowitz | *chap | Aug 07 21:53 |
DaemonFC | they jsut stick you on payday and let you bleed the rest of it out | Aug 07 21:53 |
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trmanco | schestowitz, talking about Portugal's past, I still didn't get your point | Aug 07 21:54 |
DaemonFC | but if someone has the money to smoke and drink and gamble, better they skim off that guy than me | Aug 07 21:54 |
DaemonFC | :P | Aug 07 21:54 |
schestowitz | http://www.prwatch.org/node/8488 | Aug 07 21:54 |
schestowitz | Nation of the best healthcare | Aug 07 21:54 |
schestowitz | trmanco: I was joking about other nations | Aug 07 21:54 |
DaemonFC | the Republicans have done quite a job getting poor people to keep kicking themselves in the nuts | Aug 07 21:55 |
*DaemonFC claps | Aug 07 21:55 | |
trmanco | wouldn't* | Aug 07 21:55 |
_Hicham_ | DaemonFC, what a great day | Aug 07 21:55 |
_Hicham_ | where have u been all this time ? | Aug 07 21:55 |
DaemonFC | meh | Aug 07 21:56 |
schestowitz | Hahahahja.. watch OBAMAA... http://techdirt.com/articles/20090806/1754335791.shtml | Aug 07 21:56 |
MinceR | he was pimping his vista7 desktop | Aug 07 21:56 |
MinceR | what else. | Aug 07 21:56 |
Xarver | Windows 7 deadly sins | Aug 07 21:56 |
DaemonFC | From going to and fro in the earth, and from walking up and down in it. | Aug 07 21:56 |
_Hicham_ | DaemonFC : were u looking for a lost OS ? | Aug 07 21:59 |
DaemonFC | the thing that bewilders me is that the price of everything is skyrocketing and there's still bibles on sale at the dollar store, for $1 | Aug 07 21:59 |
DaemonFC | someone has to be subsidizing that | Aug 07 22:00 |
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DaemonFC | ;) | Aug 07 22:00 |
DaemonFC | almsot like the rich have a vested interest in everybody having one | Aug 07 22:00 |
schestowitz | Is It Illegal To Posess Unmarked CDs In Texas? < http://techdirt.com/articles/20090807/0258575802.shtml > | Aug 07 22:04 |
DaemonFC | "Most of the story is about the fact that the guy is ridiculously obese and had been able to sneak a gun into prison in between flabs of skin" | Aug 07 22:05 |
DaemonFC | cool | Aug 07 22:05 |
DaemonFC | and still didn't manage to escape | Aug 07 22:06 |
DaemonFC | even with a loaded pistol | Aug 07 22:06 |
DaemonFC | must be a moron too | Aug 07 22:06 |
trmanco | http://www.makeuseof.com/tech-fun/hard-drive-weight-increasing/ | Aug 07 22:06 |
neighborlee | I can vouch , that windows7 is junk atm | Aug 07 22:08 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] Hard Drive Weight Increasing ?: http://is.gd/26XIz | Aug 07 22:08 | |
Balrog | lol | Aug 07 22:08 |
neighborlee | it can't even detect my acpi hardware, so im essentially left with none.computer wont shutdown after X number of minutes | Aug 07 22:08 |
neighborlee | it IS faster than vista as such,,but it does have some problem spots to be sure o_0 | Aug 07 22:09 |
neighborlee | im willing to pay almost $200 for priviledge of running this supposdly faster OS,,,not a chance. | Aug 07 22:09 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] RT @tweetmeme 30 Tutorials Combining Both Wordpress and jQuery : Speckyboy Design Magazine http://bit.ly/XVA9c | Aug 07 22:12 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] Don't do a Windows update while on a public wifi http://bit.ly/2jTqA | Aug 07 22:13 | |
DaemonFC | schestowitz: I suppose I'd be in a whole heap of trouble :P | Aug 07 22:14 |
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DaemonFC | if I got 2 years for every "unlabeled" recording I have | Aug 07 22:14 |
DaemonFC | that would be about 2,000 years in prison | Aug 07 22:14 |
schestowitz | neighborlee: don't worry. Prception Management will fix everything | Aug 07 22:15 |
DaemonFC | all the more reason to put them on an MP3 player to take with you | Aug 07 22:15 |
schestowitz | http://www.thoughtleader.co.za/traps/2009/08/06/is-mugabe-preparing-for-war/ (Is Mugabe preparing for war?) | Aug 07 22:15 |
DaemonFC | then the cop can't tell where you got them | Aug 07 22:16 |
neighborlee | schestowitz, heh | Aug 07 22:16 |
DaemonFC | it's pretty obvious when it's a blank CD labeled with a sharpie marker | Aug 07 22:16 |
neighborlee | im thinking about flac ogg player soon,,its great to see them supported finally, that and ogg video in firefox...just great ;) | Aug 07 22:18 |
neighborlee | DaemonFC, lol | Aug 07 22:18 |
schestowitz | http://www.linuxinsider.com/story/Linux---The-New-Hot-Job-Skill-67789.html | Aug 07 22:18 |
schestowitz | Who would learn windows now? | Aug 07 22:19 |
DaemonFC | yeah, but Vorbis will kill your battery | Aug 07 22:19 |
DaemonFC | MP3 is much simpler to decode, even has its own dedicated decoding chipset in the player | Aug 07 22:19 |
DaemonFC | Vorbis doesn't usually | Aug 07 22:19 |
DaemonFC | it's a fair bet that if they added Vorbis in a post-release firmware update, it's going to munch your battery | Aug 07 22:20 |
zoobab01 | are there any vorbis decoding chips? | Aug 07 22:21 |
MinceR | guess what, if you want greater compression ratios, it's going to be more complex | Aug 07 22:21 |
DaemonFC | I think the Cowon plauyers do it in hardware | Aug 07 22:21 |
MinceR | and it will require more cpu power | Aug 07 22:21 |
DaemonFC | the Sansa Fuze does it in software | Aug 07 22:21 |
DaemonFC | Vorbis is far too complex to decode considering how few bits it actually saves | Aug 07 22:21 |
DaemonFC | unless you can decode it in hardware | Aug 07 22:22 |
DaemonFC | which *does* happen on *some* players, and then go for it | Aug 07 22:22 |
schestowitz | Circular Awards 2009 - now with added Astroturf http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/08/07/microsoft_word_patent/ | Aug 07 22:22 |
DaemonFC | really though, the space savings would only be useful on the stingiest flash drives | Aug 07 22:22 |
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DaemonFC | if you have at least 16-32 gigs, I'd just use VBR MP3 on Lame's Standard setting, unless you know for sure the chipset can decode Vorbis all by itself | Aug 07 22:24 |
MinceR | or get a player with a proper amount of battery and stop worrying. | Aug 07 22:24 |
DaemonFC | you'll still get 500 albums or more | Aug 07 22:24 |
DaemonFC | hard drive players make the debate between MP3 and Vorbis purely academic | Aug 07 22:25 |
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DaemonFC | there's no way you're going to overrun 160 gigs, even if you encode everything to 320k CBR | Aug 07 22:25 |
MinceR | 640k should be enough for everyone. | Aug 07 22:26 |
MinceR | also, hard drive players are more susceptible to physical damage. | Aug 07 22:26 |
DaemonFC | well, a 320k CBR MP3 will do 2.34 megs per minute | Aug 07 22:26 |
DaemonFC | there's 163,840 megs in 160 gigs | Aug 07 22:27 |
neighborlee | DaemonFC, mainly flac, but yeah ogg is there too | Aug 07 22:27 |
DaemonFC | 70,017 minutes | Aug 07 22:27 |
DaemonFC | 1166 hours | Aug 07 22:27 |
DaemonFC | 48.6 days | Aug 07 22:27 |
MinceR | and you only ever play your songs sequentially, from the first to the last | Aug 07 22:27 |
DaemonFC | and that's at MP3's maximum setting | Aug 07 22:27 |
MinceR | also, quality doesn't matter | Aug 07 22:28 |
DaemonFC | I'd hate for you to tell me that *only* 49.6 days of continuous music is not enough | Aug 07 22:28 |
DaemonFC | and that you need Vorbis to squeeze 2-3 more on there | Aug 07 22:28 |
DaemonFC | *48.6 | Aug 07 22:29 |
DaemonFC | do you have 1200 CDs? | Aug 07 22:29 |
MinceR | i have lots of mods :> | Aug 07 22:30 |
MinceR | also, sometimes i suddenly feel like listening to a specific set of songs | Aug 07 22:30 |
DaemonFC | granted Vorbis sounds the same at lower bitrates | Aug 07 22:31 |
DaemonFC | but you're talking 15%, maybe | Aug 07 22:31 |
MinceR | well, if i could spare the space, i'd go for flac | Aug 07 22:31 |
DaemonFC | it's not some magic bullet, it's an "I'll take it" improvement | Aug 07 22:31 |
DaemonFC | there really is nothing that performs as well as MP3 at half the bitrate like they all claim | Aug 07 22:31 |
MinceR | perhaps you expect too much | Aug 07 22:33 |
DaemonFC | Lame standard VBR will already get you 6.5-7:1 compression ratios an still sound fine | Aug 07 22:33 |
MinceR | "fine" is subjective | Aug 07 22:33 |
DaemonFC | Vorbis isn't going to improve a lot on that, nothing does | Aug 07 22:33 |
MinceR | we're talking about sound quality | Aug 07 22:33 |
MinceR | also, it depends on the rest of your equipment (mainly the headphones) | Aug 07 22:34 |
DaemonFC | Microsoft tried to make the same claims with WMA 9 Series | Aug 07 22:34 |
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DaemonFC | whic his technically very similar to Vorbis and LC-AAC | Aug 07 22:34 |
MinceR | it's also technically very similar to mp3, isn't it? :> | Aug 07 22:34 |
DaemonFC | it's closer to LC-AAC and Vorbis than it is to MP3 | Aug 07 22:34 |
DaemonFC | Microsoft even hired the guy that invented the MDCT theory that all of them use | Aug 07 22:35 |
DaemonFC | I don't use it though | Aug 07 22:35 |
DaemonFC | the bitstream format is better than the rest, but their encoder still sucks | Aug 07 22:35 |
DaemonFC | for example, it has 6 frame sizes to choose from and Vorbis has 2 | Aug 07 22:36 |
DaemonFC | but the WMA encoder frequently chooses poorly and the resulting file sounds worse | Aug 07 22:36 |
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DaemonFC | the bitstream format is not the only thing you have to look at, but it's easier to improve the encoder when you have a good bitstream format | Aug 07 22:37 |
DaemonFC | though Microsoft has pretty much abandoned WMA's Standard codec | Aug 07 22:37 |
DaemonFC | the one they're pushing now is more in line with High Efficiency AAC | Aug 07 22:38 |
DaemonFC | but they've made it so that even though WMA Pro beats Vorbis, it takes a hellacious amount of processing power to decode | Aug 07 22:39 |
DaemonFC | and thus they make it unusable on portables | Aug 07 22:39 |
schestowitz | Rumor: Asus to launch Moblin-powered Eee PC soon < http://www.liliputing.com/2009/08/rumor-asus-to-launch-moblin-powered-eee-pc-soon.html > | Aug 07 22:39 |
schestowitz | It'sbetterwithlinux.com.. | Aug 07 22:39 |
DaemonFC | the Zune is the only portable that can handle WMA Pro, and it has to disable a lot of the nicer features to even decode it at all | Aug 07 22:40 |
DaemonFC | believe me, I did consider it until I saw what they scuttled from the decoder engine | Aug 07 22:41 |
DaemonFC | did their "Better with Windows" deal fall through? | Aug 07 22:42 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] Bing Search Reveals Pro-Microsoft Results: http://is.gd/26YW9 | Aug 07 22:43 | |
DaemonFC | saw that earlier | Aug 07 22:45 |
DaemonFC | it also censors out bittorrent searches | Aug 07 22:45 |
schestowitz | CaItlyn seeds centos distrust http://www.bmighty.com/blog/main/archives/2009/08/is_your_linux_d.html | Aug 07 22:51 |
schestowitz | Is Microsoft breaking any hard law? | Aug 07 22:51 |
schestowitz | One could argue that they should flag it as "advertising", not search results | Aug 07 22:52 |
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DaemonFC | doubt it | Aug 07 22:52 |
DaemonFC | it's their decision what to show you | Aug 07 22:53 |
schestowitz | http://beranger.org/v3/wordpress/2009/08/06/an-ever-increasing-entropy-war-with-centos/ | Aug 07 22:53 |
DaemonFC | why the hell was she using enterprise linux on a netbook? | Aug 07 22:56 |
schestowitz | ping zoobab01 | Aug 07 22:56 |
DaemonFC | that makes no sense at all | Aug 07 22:56 |
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] Understanding Linux CPU Load - when should you be worried?: http://is.gd/26ZHc | Aug 07 23:05 | |
schestowitz | The anti-Linux folks have fun at OSCON... http://blogs.msdn.com/saraford/archive/2009/07/31/oscon-2009-one-of-the-greatest-weeks-in-my-microsoft-career.aspx | Aug 07 23:07 |
trmanco | argh | Aug 07 23:09 |
trmanco | I broke reddit | Aug 07 23:09 |
trmanco | I can't search for php | Aug 07 23:09 |
trmanco | but python works :| | Aug 07 23:10 |
_goblin_ | schestowitz: Seems there is "gold in them hills": | Aug 07 23:10 |
_goblin_ | http://absolutevista.com/blogs/absolutevista/archive/2008/09/05/hp-xw4600-personal-workstation-giveaway-winner.aspx | Aug 07 23:10 |
_goblin_ | Good old Andre.... | Aug 07 23:10 |
_goblin_ | never keep a good shill down... | Aug 07 23:10 |
schestowitz | Nobody in the press covers this farce.. http://www.marketwire.com/press-release/Open-Invention-Network-1024910.html | Aug 07 23:10 |
schestowitz | *LOL* | Aug 07 23:11 |
schestowitz | Is this new, _goblin_ ? | Aug 07 23:11 |
_goblin_ | yep... | Aug 07 23:11 |
_goblin_ | I saw him being congratulated on twitter...did a little research and found that. | Aug 07 23:12 |
schestowitz | Oh wait! | Aug 07 23:12 |
schestowitz | _goblin_: you know whose site this is? | Aug 07 23:12 |
schestowitz | John... the one Microsoft bribed too | Aug 07 23:12 |
_goblin_ | lol.... | Aug 07 23:12 |
_goblin_ | ah I see the name now John Obeto | Aug 07 23:13 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] I broke #Reddit :( | Aug 07 23:13 | |
_goblin_ | something else for my report. | Aug 07 23:13 |
schestowitz | http://boycottnovell.com/2009/01/10/john-obeto-gets-ms-schwag/ | Aug 07 23:13 |
_goblin_ | 33 pages long (excluding exhibits) | Aug 07 23:13 |
schestowitz | Microsoft Schwag Parties... | Aug 07 23:15 |
neighborlee | they should join with tea parties of republican base, heckling health care chats ;) | Aug 07 23:19 |
neighborlee | fit right in o_0 | Aug 07 23:19 |
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neighborlee | OMG I was stunned to hear,who was behind much of that heckling | Aug 07 23:22 |
neighborlee | rick sometihng..tied of course..to insurance companies | Aug 07 23:23 |
neighborlee | IMagine that | Aug 07 23:23 |
neighborlee | :) | Aug 07 23:23 |
neighborlee | rick s I think..saw last night on msnbc | Aug 07 23:23 |
neighborlee | gah | Aug 07 23:23 |
schestowitz | Is there any trustworthy channel in the US? | Aug 07 23:24 |
schestowitz | I think NPR I can trust a bit | Aug 07 23:24 |
neighborlee | rick sott | Aug 07 23:24 |
neighborlee | scott | Aug 07 23:24 |
schestowitz | Most small radio stations were bought by the Big Guns | Aug 07 23:24 |
neighborlee | ^ | Aug 07 23:24 |
neighborlee | yeah npr | Aug 07 23:24 |
neighborlee | :) | Aug 07 23:24 |
neighborlee | beyond that SHRUG good luck | Aug 07 23:24 |
neighborlee | one needs to be careful to get info from multiple sources | Aug 07 23:25 |
neighborlee | even then one must be careful :)) | Aug 07 23:25 |
schestowitz | I used to listen to some stations at work, but not anymore. Now we have audi/netcasts | Aug 07 23:26 |
schestowitz | FLOSS Weekly is currently my fav | Aug 07 23:27 |
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neighborlee | OMG,,I was shocked to see lou dobbs of cnn, agreeing with berthers over the birth certificate thing and obama.. | Aug 07 23:29 |
neighborlee | can you believe that | Aug 07 23:29 |
neighborlee | he's been a major player..trusted player,saying GO independent | Aug 07 23:30 |
neighborlee | I guess he did o_0lol | Aug 07 23:30 |
neighborlee | birthers | Aug 07 23:30 |
schestowitz | Did you see the image of Omabaa [sic] with doobie [sic]? | Aug 07 23:30 |
neighborlee | no | Aug 07 23:30 |
schestowitz | http://techdirt.com/articles/20090806/1754335791.shtml | Aug 07 23:30 |
neighborlee | sigh | Aug 07 23:32 |
neighborlee | not surprising ;) | Aug 07 23:33 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Another Reasons for Schools to Teach GNU/Linux http://bit.ly/BGinn | Aug 07 23:33 | |
neighborlee | http://news.muckety.com/2009/08/05/lou-dobbs-birther-stance-busts-ratings/18661 < was referring to this lou dobbs btw | Aug 07 23:33 |
neighborlee | dont watch hi m anymore | Aug 07 23:33 |
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ThistleWeb | "another reasons" is a mixed term btw | Aug 07 23:35 |
ThistleWeb | reason, or other works | Aug 07 23:35 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Vista 7 is starting to fail just like Vista, even on the perception management front. http://bit.ly/3OqzO | Aug 07 23:38 | |
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schestowitz | Twitter is going wonky again | Aug 07 23:40 |
schestowitz | Yes, it's down | Aug 07 23:40 |
_goblin | yep I noticed that. | Aug 07 23:40 |
_goblin | just managed to get in a cheeky little post quick | Aug 07 23:41 |
schestowitz | Some dude slurred Russian, so they took the whole site down | Aug 07 23:41 |
schestowitz | *Rusia | Aug 07 23:41 |
schestowitz | *Russia | Aug 07 23:41 |
_goblin | 1 year old today! | Aug 07 23:41 |
schestowitz | [can't type | Aug 07 23:41 |
_goblin | since its 0000 | Aug 07 23:41 |
schestowitz | _goblin: not yet | Aug 07 23:41 |
_goblin | according to my clock.... | Aug 07 23:41 |
_goblin | 0002 | Aug 07 23:41 |
_goblin | Roy, when do the official COLA stats come out? | Aug 07 23:43 |
schestowitz | Saturday | Aug 07 23:43 |
_goblin | thanks. | Aug 07 23:43 |
schestowitz | Roy used to do it, now Slated does | Aug 07 23:43 |
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Computer Game BOH Comes to GNU/Linux http://bit.ly/4z0TKX | Aug 07 23:44 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] HAPPY BIRTHDAY OPENBYTES! – 1 YEAR TODAY! http://tinyurl.com/nd4wqr | Aug 07 23:44 | |
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] RT @mrbill Ice-T, Certified Apple Repair Tech: http://bit.ly/yDU1w | Aug 07 23:55 |
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