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Xarver | Hey guys do you know how I can get members on my forum effectively? | Aug 10 01:45 |
DaemonFC | pay the iMagicOS people to spam it for you? | Aug 10 01:49 |
DaemonFC | :D | Aug 10 01:49 |
DaemonFC | Kubuntu + A little bit of Windows Vista-colored lipstick + $100 = iMagicOS | Aug 10 01:50 |
DaemonFC | I was jsut reading some locked posts they were spamming on other distributions forums a while back | Aug 10 01:51 |
DaemonFC | the CEO goes around pretending to be "a user" | Aug 10 01:51 |
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Xarver | :P | Aug 10 02:06 |
DaemonFC | schestowitz: Want to start a pool to buy SCO? | Aug 10 02:30 |
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DaemonFC | http://blogs.zdnet.com/open-source/?p=4619 | Aug 10 04:11 |
DaemonFC | What Asus wants in a Linux | Aug 10 04:11 |
DaemonFC | heh | Aug 10 04:11 |
DaemonFC | schestowitz fodder | Aug 10 04:11 |
DaemonFC | "Linux’ only hope in cracking the Taiwanese netbook market is with a Linux whose owner is willing to pony up the big bucks for both pre-sales and post-sales support." | Aug 10 04:13 |
DaemonFC | Microsoft does NOT support OEM Windows | Aug 10 04:13 |
DaemonFC | the EULA says that whoever installed it is tech support | Aug 10 04:14 |
DaemonFC | you can pay them $30 per incident though | Aug 10 04:14 |
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yuhong | From <http://schestowitz.com/UseNet/2008/July_2008_2/msg00546.html> | Aug 10 04:23 |
yuhong | "Ugh. Vista is a recap." | Aug 10 04:23 |
yuhong | Actually, I think Transmeta was the more important recap. | Aug 10 04:23 |
yuhong | http://fringe.davesource.com/Fringe/Computers/CPUs/05.2000.IEEE_Transmeta/ | Aug 10 04:24 |
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luwsr | hi | Aug 10 04:24 |
luwsr | how's your one man fight against m$$$? | Aug 10 04:24 |
yuhong | One man? | Aug 10 04:25 |
yuhong | Look under "Houston, we have a problem..." | Aug 10 04:25 |
luwsr | uh? | Aug 10 04:36 |
luwsr | look honestly there's nothing m$$ can do about it. | Aug 10 04:36 |
yuhong | I was refering to my previous link. | Aug 10 04:38 |
luwsr | m$$ simply can't go after IBM, Oracle, Red Hat, Google not to mention the vast linux industrial-complex network. | Aug 10 04:38 |
yuhong | >http://fringe.davesource.com/Fringe/Computers/CPUs/05.2000.IEEE_Transmeta/ | Aug 10 04:38 |
yuhong | About how Transmeta recaped the Pentium Pro/Win95 disaster where Win95 was shown to be less 32-bit than it was hyped to be. | Aug 10 04:39 |
luwsr | transmeta still exists? | Aug 10 04:39 |
yuhong | No, in fact this story happened before it finished it's first processor. | Aug 10 04:39 |
yuhong | It happened to be more precise in August 1998. | Aug 10 04:40 |
yuhong | Transmeta like Intel had to spend time redesigning their processor so it ran 16-bit code better. | Aug 10 04:40 |
luwsr | I like that type of articles that go into historical and technical detail. | Aug 10 04:41 |
luwsr | 16-bit processor?? | Aug 10 04:42 |
luwsr | wtf!! | Aug 10 04:42 |
yuhong | Yep, Windows 95 (and in fact the entire Win9x family) had a lot of 16-bit code | Aug 10 04:42 |
yuhong | Despite the fact it was hyped as a 32-bit OS. | Aug 10 04:43 |
yuhong | The PPro was designed to run 32-bit code, not 16-bit code. | Aug 10 04:43 |
DaemonFC | I liked Windows 95 though, so oh well | Aug 10 04:43 |
luwsr | wow!! m$$ have been lying throught their entire development. | Aug 10 04:43 |
luwsr | amazing. | Aug 10 04:43 |
DaemonFC | ran great on my old Pentium 166 | Aug 10 04:44 |
yuhong | Yep. | Aug 10 04:44 |
DaemonFC | Linux wasn't even an option back then | Aug 10 04:44 |
DaemonFC | it existed, kind of | Aug 10 04:44 |
DaemonFC | good luck getting it to work on anything | Aug 10 04:44 |
yuhong | And the PPro was the processor that single-handedly revealed the 16-bit code in Win95.. | Aug 10 04:44 |
luwsr | imagine the generation-linux, they will never have a figment of memories about m$$ | Aug 10 04:44 |
yuhong | Yep, I know. | Aug 10 04:45 |
DaemonFC | the Pentium Pro was a crap processor | Aug 10 04:45 |
DaemonFC | run *any* OS on it and take benchmarks | Aug 10 04:45 |
DaemonFC | they all suffer | Aug 10 04:45 |
yuhong | BS. | Aug 10 04:45 |
luwsr | what do you expect of a secretary's OS. | Aug 10 04:46 |
luwsr | not every processor has to be a CELL | Aug 10 04:46 |
yuhong | "The magnitude of his lie is shown in the relative performance of OS/2 | Aug 10 04:46 |
yuhong | and Win95 on the Pentium Pro: one 32-bit OS/2 app has shown | Aug 10 04:46 |
yuhong | performance increases of over 100% on the Pentium Pro. " | Aug 10 04:46 |
DaemonFC | I tried BeOS on a Pentium Pro and was equally disappointed | Aug 10 04:46 |
yuhong | Have you tried WinNT or OS/2? | Aug 10 04:46 |
DaemonFC | BeOS didn't have any 16-bit code at all | Aug 10 04:47 |
yuhong | Anyway, what I mean was that Transmeta was later bit by this as well, causing the Crusoe to be delayed by one year. | Aug 10 04:47 |
DaemonFC | no, I didn't try Windows NT on it | Aug 10 04:48 |
yuhong | What about OS/2? | Aug 10 04:48 |
DaemonFC | cause Windows NT was expensive and incompatible | Aug 10 04:48 |
DaemonFC | OS/2 was obscure | Aug 10 04:48 |
DaemonFC | nobody near here even sold it | Aug 10 04:48 |
luwsr | is Transmeta dead for good? | Aug 10 04:48 |
yuhong | Yes, I think, in fact they stop making CPUs in 2005. | Aug 10 04:49 |
DaemonFC | yeah, they died | Aug 10 04:49 |
DaemonFC | Linus Torvalds took them for a ride though | Aug 10 04:49 |
yuhong | Anyway, they again had to redesign their processor so that it runs 16-bit code better. | Aug 10 04:49 |
luwsr | damn | Aug 10 04:49 |
cubezzz | who makes cpus other than Intel and AMD now? | Aug 10 04:50 |
DaemonFC | Via | Aug 10 04:50 |
yuhong | Yep, their Nano processor support 64-bit. | Aug 10 04:50 |
DaemonFC | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VIA_Technologies | Aug 10 04:50 |
yuhong | Anyway, I don't think BeOS for x86 even existed back in 1995. | Aug 10 04:51 |
DaemonFC | it didn't | Aug 10 04:51 |
yuhong | They only did the porting to x86 in 1997. | Aug 10 04:51 |
cubezzz | BeBox ftw :) | Aug 10 04:51 |
yuhong | Yep. | Aug 10 04:51 |
luwsr | wow, the whole concept of transmeta was to emulate x86?? that's terribly flawed strategy. | Aug 10 04:52 |
DaemonFC | they all emulate x86 | Aug 10 04:52 |
DaemonFC | if you want to be picky | Aug 10 04:52 |
yuhong | Yep. | Aug 10 04:52 |
cubezzz | what about Motorola? They used to make CPUs | Aug 10 04:52 |
DaemonFC | yeah, they designed quite a bit of the PowerPC | Aug 10 04:53 |
luwsr | I don't mean virtual emulators I mean why make a processor solely for emulation another processor?? | Aug 10 04:53 |
DaemonFC | Motorola doesn't design CPUs anymore though | Aug 10 04:53 |
DaemonFC | luwsr: They all run x86 instruction set on a CISC core | Aug 10 04:53 |
yuhong | Yep, they ended up spinning this off to Freescale. | Aug 10 04:53 |
DaemonFC | it's faster that way | Aug 10 04:53 |
yuhong | *RISC. | Aug 10 04:53 |
DaemonFC | no | Aug 10 04:53 |
DaemonFC | CISC | Aug 10 04:53 |
luwsr | VIA is x86 | Aug 10 04:53 |
DaemonFC | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Complex_Instruction_Set_Computer | Aug 10 04:54 |
cubezzz | so everything is x86 basically? | Aug 10 04:54 |
DaemonFC | "Examples of CISC processor families are System/360, PDP-11, VAX, 68000, and x86." | Aug 10 04:54 |
luwsr | what's the point of amd intel via competition if they all design the same arch?? | Aug 10 04:54 |
cubezzz | except arm I guess | Aug 10 04:54 |
DaemonFC | because they don't all implement it the same way | Aug 10 04:54 |
luwsr | and mips | Aug 10 04:54 |
DaemonFC | and because they all have their own extensions | Aug 10 04:54 |
luwsr | but they all have to porferm the same. Or else software would have to have code changes | Aug 10 04:55 |
DaemonFC | it does | Aug 10 04:55 |
DaemonFC | you just don't notice it | Aug 10 04:55 |
yuhong | Anyway here is one more article about this. | Aug 10 04:55 |
yuhong | http://www.os2ezine.com/v2n6/editor.htm | Aug 10 04:55 |
DaemonFC | you can optimize compiled software for Intel64, AMD64, or generic X86-64 | Aug 10 04:55 |
DaemonFC | and AMD CPUs support 3dNow! | Aug 10 04:56 |
DaemonFC | as well as Intel SSE-SSE4 | Aug 10 04:56 |
luwsr | so are you telling me company making a software has three versions of their program? one for amd another for intel and another for via?? | Aug 10 04:56 |
DaemonFC | the compiler can spit out a binary using the common elements of both Intel64 and AMD64 | Aug 10 04:56 |
DaemonFC | and the resulting binary will work on either | Aug 10 04:56 |
DaemonFC | just not optimized | Aug 10 04:56 |
DaemonFC | that's how Linux distros ship their kernel | Aug 10 04:57 |
DaemonFC | and the rest of the system | Aug 10 04:57 |
luwsr | not Gentoo :) | Aug 10 04:57 |
yuhong | No not usually, what they usually do is detect the CPU and run the correct code. | Aug 10 04:57 |
DaemonFC | optimizing for one or the other will wrangle out a slight performance boost | Aug 10 04:57 |
DaemonFC | 2-3% | Aug 10 04:57 |
luwsr | cool, I'll take that | Aug 10 04:58 |
DaemonFC | also the cores are different in the ways they process instructions | Aug 10 04:58 |
DaemonFC | AMD pioneered the x86 on CISC thing | Aug 10 04:58 |
DaemonFC | and for a while, AMD processors smoked everythign Intel had at half the price | Aug 10 04:58 |
yuhong | Yep, there are far less difference between Intel 64 and AMD64 today than when they were introduced. | Aug 10 04:58 |
DaemonFC | they cross license each others patents | Aug 10 04:59 |
yuhong | Yep. | Aug 10 04:59 |
DaemonFC | it's some good old fashioned horse trading | Aug 10 04:59 |
DaemonFC | Via also holds a few patents over Intel's head | Aug 10 04:59 |
DaemonFC | and has gotten concessions from them with that | Aug 10 04:59 |
DaemonFC | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VIA_Technologies#Legal_issues | Aug 10 04:59 |
yuhong | Yep, and if you are wondering why Intel's first x86-64 CPUs did not have LAHF/SAHF, here is a blast from the past: | Aug 10 05:00 |
DaemonFC | really the idea of loading a 100% "free software" pc is not doable | Aug 10 05:00 |
luwsr | what do you mean | Aug 10 05:00 |
DaemonFC | there's patents on your hardware, there's patents on the CPU microcode that the kernel has to apply | Aug 10 05:00 |
DaemonFC | there's patents on your BIOS | Aug 10 05:00 |
cubezzz | lemote :) | Aug 10 05:01 |
cubezzz | even Stallman likes it | Aug 10 05:01 |
DaemonFC | Coreboot would be nice if it supported more than three motherboards :) | Aug 10 05:01 |
luwsr | well, the FOSS front is inching towards them as well. the OpenBoot project. | Aug 10 05:01 |
DaemonFC | not going to happen | Aug 10 05:01 |
luwsr | LMAO@3 mobos | Aug 10 05:01 |
DaemonFC | at the rate they are going, EFI will be the standard before they even support 10% of the motherboards out there | Aug 10 05:02 |
cubezzz | I'm pretty sure you can get Tyan boards with open bios of some sort | Aug 10 05:02 |
luwsr | you can make your own coreboot | Aug 10 05:02 |
yuhong | Yep, there are many OEM systems released this year where the BIOS is at least based on EFI. | Aug 10 05:02 |
DaemonFC | my point is | Aug 10 05:02 |
DaemonFC | try as you might, you'll never have a patent-free PC | Aug 10 05:02 |
DaemonFC | someone owns a patent on everything down to the case design | Aug 10 05:03 |
cubezzz | bah, you can make a case | Aug 10 05:03 |
DaemonFC | Stallman and Co. spent all their time masturbating and ripping out OpenGL and a few wifi drivers | Aug 10 05:03 |
DaemonFC | when even bootng their PC was impossible without proprietary firmwares | Aug 10 05:03 |
cubezzz | I'd settle for a completely non-microsoft computer | Aug 10 05:04 |
DaemonFC | what you'd need to do is build an entire computer system from the ground up and avoid every patent that could be lurking out there | Aug 10 05:04 |
DaemonFC | it would never work and even if it did, you wouldn't want to use it | Aug 10 05:05 |
luwsr | DaemonFC: that's the ideal | Aug 10 05:05 |
cubezzz | don't patents expire? :) | Aug 10 05:05 |
DaemonFC | eventually, but there can always be new ones | Aug 10 05:05 |
DaemonFC | so your system would never be as good as theirs | Aug 10 05:05 |
DaemonFC | unless you got hold of your own patents | Aug 10 05:05 |
DaemonFC | and threatened them back | Aug 10 05:05 |
cubezzz | free bios, free os is good enough | Aug 10 05:06 |
yuhong | http://www.amd.com/us-en/assets/content_type/white_papers_and_tech_docs/x86-64_overview.pdf | Aug 10 05:06 |
cubezzz | patent free is probably extremely hard | Aug 10 05:06 |
yuhong | And well, hardware patents are less harmful than software patents. | Aug 10 05:06 |
DaemonFC | even other architectures are patent encumbered | Aug 10 05:06 |
DaemonFC | including ARM | Aug 10 05:07 |
yuhong | Yep. | Aug 10 05:07 |
yuhong | Luckily hardware patents are less harmful than software patents. | Aug 10 05:07 |
DaemonFC | wrong | Aug 10 05:07 |
DaemonFC | they still force prices up and you still have to depend on something you can't understand | Aug 10 05:07 |
cubezzz | some smallish company goes bust, no one buys their patents, patents expire = patent free computer :) | Aug 10 05:08 |
DaemonFC | that's another reason x86 is safer | Aug 10 05:08 |
DaemonFC | most other architectures only have one vendor | Aug 10 05:08 |
DaemonFC | so say Linux moves to ARM and gets a nice little niche going over there and suddenly, the prices go up | Aug 10 05:09 |
DaemonFC | there's nowhere to go | Aug 10 05:10 |
DaemonFC | as far as I know, Texas Instruments is the only manufacturer of the kind of ARM-based CPUs these little netbooks depend on | Aug 10 05:12 |
cubezzz | didn't intell buy arm? | Aug 10 05:12 |
DaemonFC | no | Aug 10 05:12 |
yuhong | No, in face ARM has a plenty of vendors. | Aug 10 05:12 |
DaemonFC | ARM is licensable, and lots of companies license it | Aug 10 05:13 |
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cubezzz | ah | Aug 10 05:13 |
DaemonFC | but only TI makes them for systems like these netbooks | Aug 10 05:13 |
luwsr | ARM has google and nvidia | Aug 10 05:13 |
DaemonFC | the others are only interested in cell phones and PDAs and shit | Aug 10 05:13 |
DaemonFC | yeah, you can run a compute cluster on Nvidia GPUs | Aug 10 05:13 |
DaemonFC | it's called the Tesla system | Aug 10 05:14 |
luwsr | so nvidia plans to take on AMD and Intal with their Tegra ARM cpu?? | Aug 10 05:14 |
DaemonFC | you still need an x86-based CPU though | Aug 10 05:14 |
DaemonFC | the Tesla is essentially a couple GPUs on one expansion card, PCI-E | Aug 10 05:14 |
DaemonFC | but they don't have any monitor outputs | Aug 10 05:14 |
DaemonFC | you plug as many of them in as you need | Aug 10 05:15 |
DaemonFC | and you have yourself a homemade supercomputer | Aug 10 05:15 |
luwsr | bah, same as having multiple GPUs | Aug 10 05:15 |
DaemonFC | yeah, it uses CUDA | Aug 10 05:15 |
DaemonFC | works with Linux or Windows | Aug 10 05:15 |
luwsr | but how much is a Tesla computer? | Aug 10 05:15 |
DaemonFC | about $5,000 and up | Aug 10 05:15 |
cubezzz | I've heard of old TTL based home brew computers | Aug 10 05:15 |
DaemonFC | that's pretty cheap really | Aug 10 05:15 |
DaemonFC | that much processing power with conventional CPUs will run you more like $50,000 on up | Aug 10 05:16 |
DaemonFC | it's worth the investment for scientific research on a budget | Aug 10 05:16 |
DaemonFC | Windows 7 actually has a neat feature that I don't think Linux does | Aug 10 05:17 |
DaemonFC | now that I mention GPUs | Aug 10 05:17 |
DaemonFC | well, a few | Aug 10 05:17 |
DaemonFC | but the neatest one is SLI/Crossfire and multiple monitor support with two brands of GPU | Aug 10 05:17 |
DaemonFC | so I can have a Geforce and a Radeon both in the system and Windows 7 and DirectX 11 will utilize both | Aug 10 05:18 |
DaemonFC | I don't think any other operating system does that | Aug 10 05:18 |
DaemonFC | makes it less of a hassle to use scanline interleave without worrying about matched models and manufacturers | Aug 10 05:19 |
DaemonFC | you should definitely prioritize GPU if you have to choose where to put your money | Aug 10 05:20 |
luwsr | wow cool | Aug 10 05:20 |
luwsr | and the white leopard got GPGU offloading. This linux doesn't have it either | Aug 10 05:21 |
DaemonFC | Windows 7 does | Aug 10 05:21 |
DaemonFC | it's a new DirectX extension called Compute | Aug 10 05:21 |
DaemonFC | DirectX may be fairly evenly matched with OpenGL for features, that's debatable and will cause a flame war | Aug 10 05:22 |
DaemonFC | but Linux does a terrible job at utilizing the GPU for regular processing tasks | Aug 10 05:22 |
DaemonFC | your application has to be written specifically for the computational API of Nvidia or ATI | Aug 10 05:23 |
DaemonFC | and only applications that are smart enough to use it will have access to it | Aug 10 05:23 |
DaemonFC | and this won't work with any free software drivers | Aug 10 05:24 |
DaemonFC | so as far as offloading to the GPU, it's pretty much Game. Set. Match. in favor of Windows and OS X | Aug 10 05:24 |
luwsr | damn... | Aug 10 05:25 |
DaemonFC | now that's just one case and one feature that I happen to care about, there's plenty of stuff Linux can do that leaves Windows and OS X in the dust | Aug 10 05:25 |
DaemonFC | you really just have to prioritize what you care about when picking one | Aug 10 05:25 |
luwsr | well, I mostly use CLI. GPGU off loading is only for bloat OSes | Aug 10 05:25 |
luwsr | what GPGU offloading needs vim to do?? | Aug 10 05:25 |
DaemonFC | video games can use it, the GUI can use it, more and more normal tasks can execute on the GPU | Aug 10 05:26 |
luwsr | fluxbox?? | Aug 10 05:26 |
DaemonFC | eventually Linux will have to support it one way or another | Aug 10 05:26 |
luwsr | I even prefer framebuffer console than X | Aug 10 05:26 |
DaemonFC | you can get that in specialyl written Linux apps now, and in fact, that's one reason why Rosetta@Home is so freaking fast on PS3 | Aug 10 05:26 |
DaemonFC | but Windows is pretty vendor neutral and you don't have to necessarily have an application that's aware of it to benefit | Aug 10 05:27 |
DaemonFC | well, this basically requires a compositing engine to accelerate the GUI | Aug 10 05:27 |
luwsr | what's rosetta@home? | Aug 10 05:27 |
DaemonFC | Compiz is really bad for this | Aug 10 05:27 |
DaemonFC | KWin is pretty much ideal | Aug 10 05:28 |
DaemonFC | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rosetta@home | Aug 10 05:28 |
DaemonFC | disease research | Aug 10 05:28 |
DaemonFC | it uses distributed computing to have millions of PCs do a little piece of the work at a time | Aug 10 05:28 |
DaemonFC | it gives them a virtual supercomputer | Aug 10 05:28 |
DaemonFC | you can volunteer to run it | Aug 10 05:29 |
DaemonFC | there's other applications you can run | Aug 10 05:29 |
DaemonFC | mostly involving physics or advanced math | Aug 10 05:29 |
luwsr | if Transmeta was such a groundbreaking technology why didn't take off?? | Aug 10 05:29 |
DaemonFC | SETI@Home is another one | Aug 10 05:29 |
DaemonFC | probably because of cost overruns and delays | Aug 10 05:30 |
DaemonFC | that's usually what kills a company | Aug 10 05:30 |
DaemonFC | then some competitor swoops in and buys them for a song with most of the development already done | Aug 10 05:30 |
luwsr | but another company could've pick up the were they left off. | Aug 10 05:30 |
DaemonFC | that's kind of why they get bought out | Aug 10 05:31 |
DaemonFC | they get bought out, the company that takes them over cherry picks the good assetts | Aug 10 05:31 |
DaemonFC | and throws away the unprofitable parts | Aug 10 05:31 |
DaemonFC | and fires all the redundant employees they don't need | Aug 10 05:31 |
yuhong | Actually, Transmeta did this long before they sold off. | Aug 10 05:33 |
luwsr | ha ha like Sun Mycrosystems | Aug 10 05:33 |
DaemonFC | there's exciting stuff coming on all three major OS platforms, it's really the hardware that's not improving | Aug 10 05:33 |
yuhong | Not exactly. | Aug 10 05:33 |
DaemonFC | as in CPUs | Aug 10 05:33 |
DaemonFC | I think eventually the CPU will be reduced to the role of managing a lot of GPU cores | Aug 10 05:34 |
DaemonFC | and that will become a PC | Aug 10 05:34 |
luwsr | lol | Aug 10 05:34 |
luwsr | let's see | Aug 10 05:34 |
DaemonFC | that's similar to how the Cell works anyway | Aug 10 05:34 |
yuhong | And after they threw out the unprofitable parts (CPUs) and focused exclusively on IP, they showed a profit. | Aug 10 05:34 |
DaemonFC | one general purpose processor that breaks the workload into bite sized units | Aug 10 05:34 |
DaemonFC | and a lot of secondary processor units that are more like video card shader units | Aug 10 05:35 |
DaemonFC | that run the task in chunks | Aug 10 05:35 |
DaemonFC | you'll have an entire distributed computing cluster inside your desktop PC soon | Aug 10 05:35 |
DaemonFC | AMD saw this coming | Aug 10 05:36 |
DaemonFC | I think in the long term, they are better prepared than anyone else | Aug 10 05:36 |
luwsr | lol Windown95 sank Transmeta's ship!! | Aug 10 05:36 |
DaemonFC | in the short term, you're best off with Intel and Nvidia | Aug 10 05:36 |
luwsr | a flimsy shitty 16-bit crap sank a titanic | Aug 10 05:37 |
DaemonFC | Windows XP has Transmeta processor drivers | Aug 10 05:37 |
DaemonFC | actually | Aug 10 05:37 |
DaemonFC | for the Crusoe CPU | Aug 10 05:37 |
yuhong | Yep. | Aug 10 05:37 |
DaemonFC | the driver is 25 kilobytes | Aug 10 05:37 |
DaemonFC | sad that I know this much about Windows XP | Aug 10 05:37 |
yuhong | And no Win95 did not sink transmeta, but it did delay it's first CPU. | Aug 10 05:37 |
DaemonFC | :D | Aug 10 05:37 |
yuhong | By a year. | Aug 10 05:38 |
luwsr | 25 kb meaning is good or bad? | Aug 10 05:38 |
DaemonFC | meaning meh | Aug 10 05:38 |
DaemonFC | if you don't have a Transmeta Crusoe, you can remove the driver from the install image | Aug 10 05:38 |
DaemonFC | and save, 25 kilobytes, hooray! | Aug 10 05:38 |
yuhong | Of course. | Aug 10 05:39 |
DaemonFC | I've actually stripped XP down to about 1/5th its original size | Aug 10 05:39 |
DaemonFC | and still had Windows Media Player, DirectX, and Internet Explorer | Aug 10 05:39 |
DaemonFC | you'd hardly even know anything was gone | Aug 10 05:39 |
yuhong | While they did what Intel had to do with the Pentium II, to make it run 16-bit code better. | Aug 10 05:40 |
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DaemonFC | it actualyl did run 16-bit code 20% faster than a Pentium | Aug 10 05:40 |
DaemonFC | (The Pentium Pro that is) | Aug 10 05:40 |
DaemonFC | it just cost so much more that it wasn't worth having | Aug 10 05:41 |
DaemonFC | paying 3 times as much for a CPU that's 20% faster is ridiculous | Aug 10 05:41 |
yuhong | Really? | Aug 10 05:42 |
yuhong | "More recently, Shupak returned to this topic by referring to Intel benchmarks showing Win95 gains over 20% in performance on the Pentium Pro. That benchmark has been openly rebuked by PC Magazine, who pointed out how it was rigged and how you would never see that gain in real life." | Aug 10 05:43 |
God Awful Logic. Basically, "Choice leads to traps, better not to have them" -> DaemonFC: that's another reason x86 is safer ... say Linux moves to ARM and gets a nice little niche going over there and suddenly, the prices go up there's nowhere to go | Aug 10 05:43 | |
Debian runs on more than a dozen architectures. Some BSDs run on even more. Choice is what keeps you from being gouged. | Aug 10 05:43 | |
luwsr | wtf, the twitts invasion of irc!!! | Aug 10 05:43 |
luwsr | oh noez!! | Aug 10 05:44 |
DaemonFC | well, kind of anyway | Aug 10 05:44 |
DaemonFC | things like Skype will never go for that shit | Aug 10 05:44 |
DaemonFC | nor will video games | Aug 10 05:44 |
That will be Skype's loss. | Aug 10 05:44 | |
DaemonFC | not really | Aug 10 05:44 |
DaemonFC | if you want to be out on an island, that's your business | Aug 10 05:44 |
DaemonFC | I don't | Aug 10 05:44 |
And they already do ARM on iPhone. | Aug 10 05:44 | |
luwsr | the reason I switched to linux was because XP didn't fit in 128MB of ram. | Aug 10 05:45 |
yuhong | Well, I mentioned before that ARM netbooks are good news for RISC OS too. | Aug 10 05:45 |
DaemonFC | I've used XP with 128 MB of RAM before | Aug 10 05:45 |
Skype would do better to leave the non free island. There's nothing but imbred cannibals there. | Aug 10 05:45 | |
DaemonFC | the non-free continent | Aug 10 05:46 |
cubezzz | wow, I thought XP was sluggish on 512 meg :) | Aug 10 05:46 |
the free world | Aug 10 05:46 | |
XP is a slug on anything. | Aug 10 05:46 | |
DaemonFC | to the open source archipelago | Aug 10 05:46 |
keep dreaming Deamon. | Aug 10 05:46 | |
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DaemonFC | let me know if you find any coconuts out there | Aug 10 05:46 |
luwsr | how did you managed to cut it down to 1/5th?? | Aug 10 05:46 |
DaemonFC | there's every other kind ;) | Aug 10 05:46 |
luwsr | I am interested | Aug 10 05:46 |
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DaemonFC | stuff that I didn't need all got cut out | Aug 10 05:47 |
DaemonFC | nLite can do that easily | Aug 10 05:47 |
yuhong | And have you heard of XP Embedded? | Aug 10 05:47 |
DaemonFC | I have it | Aug 10 05:47 |
DaemonFC | and Windows FLP | Aug 10 05:47 |
Diablo-D3 | okay so | Aug 10 05:47 |
DaemonFC | and Windows XP Media Center 2005 | Aug 10 05:47 |
Diablo-D3 | DaemonFC: have you clued up yet? | Aug 10 05:47 |
DaemonFC | and XP Pro, XP Home, XP x64 | Aug 10 05:47 |
DaemonFC | :D | Aug 10 05:47 |
congratulations on stripping a 10 year old OS of cruft. too bad it's not free software, then you could make it like Puppy and fit into 50 MB with software that's worth running. | Aug 10 05:47 | |
Diablo-D3 | twitter: shit dude | Aug 10 05:48 |
DaemonFC | you're better off to go with XP Professional | Aug 10 05:48 |
Diablo-D3 | they ship modern bsd distros that fit on a 1.44mb floppy | Aug 10 05:48 |
DaemonFC | the niche versions are not well supported | Aug 10 05:48 |
DeamonFC is better off with XP | Aug 10 05:48 | |
DaemonFC | XP x64 is usable though | Aug 10 05:48 |
yuhong | You would not see as many BSoDs on signs without XP embdedded | Aug 10 05:48 |
Diablo-D3 | xp64 isnt usable for one reason: no goddamned vendor support | Aug 10 05:48 |
cubezzz | heh | Aug 10 05:48 |
DaemonFC | Windows FLP is based on XP Embedded | Aug 10 05:48 |
yuhong | Vista x64 is better. | Aug 10 05:49 |
Diablo-D3 | yuhong: yeah much | Aug 10 05:49 |
Diablo-D3 | and 7 is better yet | Aug 10 05:49 |
wonderful | Aug 10 05:49 | |
Diablo-D3 | since 7 uses the same drivers in 99% of the cases ;) | Aug 10 05:49 |
DaemonFC | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_Fundamentals_for_Legacy_PCs | Aug 10 05:49 |
yuhong | In general, but it requires driver signing, unlike XP x64. | Aug 10 05:49 |
DaemonFC | if you have an old PC, find this floating around somewhere | Aug 10 05:49 |
DaemonFC | :D | Aug 10 05:49 |
Diablo-D3 | XP FLP is weird | Aug 10 05:49 |
Xubuntu | Aug 10 05:49 | |
DaemonFC | it does have it's own version of SP3 though | Aug 10 05:49 |
Diablo-D3 | its basically 2k built out of XP's tree | Aug 10 05:49 |
Diablo-D3 | defaults to the classic theme, turns of all the crap for you | Aug 10 05:49 |
DaemonFC | Xubuntu is crap | Aug 10 05:50 |
XP is crap | Aug 10 05:50 | |
DaemonFC | XFCE stripped down third rate crap | Aug 10 05:50 |
Diablo-D3 | DaemonFC: please qualify your statement | Aug 10 05:50 |
yuhong | No, it uses XP code and is even more trimmed down than 2000. | Aug 10 05:50 |
MinceR | everything is crap | Aug 10 05:50 |
Diablo-D3 | xubuntu is just ubuntu with xfce-desktop installed by default instead of gnome-desktop | Aug 10 05:50 |
XP is bloated 3rd rate crap. | Aug 10 05:50 | |
XFCE is fine | Aug 10 05:50 | |
luwsr | I get XP vi$ta and m$7 all running under KVM | Aug 10 05:50 |
works nice | Aug 10 05:50 | |
DaemonFC | Xubuntu is far more bloated than XP | Aug 10 05:50 |
lol | Aug 10 05:50 | |
Diablo-D3 | xubuntu can work fine in 64 megs of memory | Aug 10 05:50 |
DaemonFC | you can install XP in half as much space | Aug 10 05:50 |
I need to ignore you FC, your Full of Crap. | Aug 10 05:51 | |
cubezzz | time to break out LFS :) | Aug 10 05:51 |
Diablo-D3 | DaemonFC: who cares how much space the install uses | Aug 10 05:51 |
MinceR | windows is some of the crappiest crap of all | Aug 10 05:51 |
DaemonFC | cause XP uses less RAM too | Aug 10 05:51 |
Diablo-D3 | okay damnit | Aug 10 05:51 |
Diablo-D3 | all in favor of banning DaemonFC forever, raise your hand | Aug 10 05:51 |
*Diablo-D3 raises hand | Aug 10 05:51 | |
*DaemonFC raises middle finger | Aug 10 05:51 | |
luwsr | LMAO@middle finger | Aug 10 05:51 |
luwsr | fluxbox is nice | Aug 10 05:52 |
*MinceR raises hand | Aug 10 05:52 | |
*DaemonFC raises other middle finger | Aug 10 05:52 | |
Diablo-D3 | twitter: raise your hand | Aug 10 05:52 |
awww, the M$ defenders at Slashdot modbombed my last submission. http://slashdot.org/submission/1052885/Is-Vista-7-the-Least-Compatible-Windows-of-All | Aug 10 05:52 | |
shame | Aug 10 05:52 | |
luwsr | I've been with fluxbox | Aug 10 05:52 |
There are so many bad stories about Windows for them to mod down. | Aug 10 05:53 | |
*DaemonFC raises hand swiftly, shioving Siablo-D3's nose back into his skull | Aug 10 05:53 | |
DaemonFC | that better? | Aug 10 05:53 |
DaemonFC | *Diable-D3 | Aug 10 05:53 |
yuhong | twitter: I would not go that far. | Aug 10 05:53 |
Diablo-D3 | violence, the last refuge for the ignorant | Aug 10 05:53 |
DaemonFC | not really | Aug 10 05:53 |
luwsr | m$$ sucks | Aug 10 05:53 |
Diablo-D3 | luwsr: m$ doesnt suck, unfortunately | Aug 10 05:54 |
DaemonFC | violence solves a lot of problems | Aug 10 05:54 |
Diablo-D3 | otherwise I'd probably be in a steady relationship with it by now | Aug 10 05:54 |
luwsr | or are a m$$ fanboi? | Aug 10 05:54 |
Diablo-D3 | linux, otoh, is a slut. a wonderful slut. | Aug 10 05:54 |
Diablo-D3 | and the best part of all: linux is virus free <3 | Aug 10 05:54 |
yuhong | Me, I have a slashdot submission that got rejected as well. | Aug 10 05:54 |
luwsr | m$ DOES suck, I can tell you from experience and everyone I know has virus ridden m$$ | Aug 10 05:54 |
yuhong | http://slashdot.org/submission/1043925/MS-FAT-LFN-patent-workaround-patch-revised | Aug 10 05:55 |
DaemonFC | those who say violence never solves anything should ask the Japanese about Hiroshima and Nagasaki | Aug 10 05:55 |
yuhong | Particularly read the first sentence after the beginning quote mark. | Aug 10 05:55 |
DaemonFC | you get more with a kind word and a two by four than you do with jsut a kind word | Aug 10 05:55 |
luwsr | hey why can't Athlon x2 use from 1MHz to 2600Mhz? | Aug 10 05:56 |
DaemonFC | come again? | Aug 10 05:56 |
luwsr | it can only jump from 1000Mhz to 2400Mhz and 2600Mhz | Aug 10 05:56 |
DaemonFC | you mean with Cool 'n Quiet? | Aug 10 05:57 |
DaemonFC | they have set speeds they can cycle between | Aug 10 05:57 |
DaemonFC | same with Intel Speedstep | Aug 10 05:57 |
luwsr | the PSP can go frm 10MHz all the way to 333MHz | Aug 10 05:57 |
luwsr | but why can't linux use single cycles? | Aug 10 05:57 |
DaemonFC | it adjusts the CPU voltage | Aug 10 05:58 |
DaemonFC | that's how it controls the current clock speed | Aug 10 05:58 |
luwsr | I have cpufreq ondemand and the 1000MHz minimum limit doesn't look very neat. | Aug 10 05:58 |
DaemonFC | it doesn't atually save you that much power | Aug 10 05:58 |
DaemonFC | I turn it off | Aug 10 05:59 |
DaemonFC | *actually | Aug 10 05:59 |
DaemonFC | it also isntantly disables your overclocking if you don't turn it off | Aug 10 05:59 |
DaemonFC | you can disable it in the BIOS, leave it out of your kernel, or compile it as a module and blacklist the module | Aug 10 06:00 |
luwsr | interesting article about Transmeta | Aug 10 06:00 |
luwsr | what ondemand? | Aug 10 06:00 |
MinceR | actually, the two-by-four works both ways | Aug 10 06:00 |
DaemonFC | what it sounds like | Aug 10 06:00 |
DaemonFC | it switches the voltage up as your applications need the CPU to run faster | Aug 10 06:01 |
DaemonFC | then down again when they are done | Aug 10 06:01 |
luwsr | I don't have problems with cpufreq the problem is powernow driver than only uses three speeds | Aug 10 06:01 |
DaemonFC | that's how it works | Aug 10 06:01 |
DaemonFC | you can't turn the CPU voltage down more or you risk overloading the motherboard | Aug 10 06:02 |
luwsr | now it's running at 1000MHz the minimum specified. | Aug 10 06:02 |
DaemonFC | so it does't let you | Aug 10 06:02 |
luwsr | available frequency steps: 2.60 GHz, 2.40 GHz, 2.20 GHz, 2.00 GHz, 1.80 GHz, 1000 MHz | Aug 10 06:02 |
DaemonFC | like I said, it barely saves any power | Aug 10 06:02 |
DaemonFC | it's mostly just grounding the rest of the voltage | Aug 10 06:02 |
luwsr | keeps the fan quieter | Aug 10 06:02 |
DaemonFC | it's more to do with CPU temperature and fan noise | Aug 10 06:03 |
DaemonFC | hence Cool 'n Quiet | Aug 10 06:03 |
luwsr | wow 100 million for the Crusoe doesn't seem bad. How much did the CELL cost? | Aug 10 06:04 |
DaemonFC | to be honest, a Core 2, i7, or an Athlon64/Phenom don't run all that hot anyway | Aug 10 06:04 |
DaemonFC | nothing like the Pentium 4 or the K6/2 or K6/3 did | Aug 10 06:04 |
DaemonFC | or Athlon XP for that matter | Aug 10 06:04 |
luwsr | +45°C | Aug 10 06:04 |
DaemonFC | that's probably alright | Aug 10 06:05 |
luwsr | because I don't have the AC on | Aug 10 06:05 |
DaemonFC | the Pentium 4 Extreme Edition regularly went over 70 degrees C | Aug 10 06:05 |
DaemonFC | even more if you pushed it | Aug 10 06:05 |
luwsr | I am planning to redirect the AC right into the mobo. | Aug 10 06:05 |
luwsr | Oo damn!! | Aug 10 06:05 |
DaemonFC | I installed a custom cooling system | Aug 10 06:05 |
DaemonFC | still never got it below 50 | Aug 10 06:06 |
DaemonFC | lmao | Aug 10 06:06 |
ah, a fun call out from three years ago. http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=198321&cid=16261033 | Aug 10 06:06 | |
luwsr | I've seen a p4 mobo it has a big ass Heat sink plus a huge fan | Aug 10 06:06 |
DaemonFC | a Core 2 Duo usually wo't go past 40-45 | Aug 10 06:06 |
DaemonFC | even with just a fan and heatsink | Aug 10 06:06 |
luwsr | well I think they are design to withstand that. | Aug 10 06:07 |
DaemonFC | the cooler the CPU, the longer it lives | Aug 10 06:07 |
cubezzz | I've been running this P3 at 71 C for years :) | Aug 10 06:07 |
DaemonFC | the life expectancy of an x86 CPU at factory speed is generally 10 years | Aug 10 06:07 |
DaemonFC | I've had them last much longer | Aug 10 06:07 |
DaemonFC | my 486 lasted 18 years | Aug 10 06:08 |
cubezzz | I still have a working 8085 from 1983 | Aug 10 06:08 |
DaemonFC | I have an 8008 | Aug 10 06:08 |
DaemonFC | :D | Aug 10 06:08 |
Diablo-D3 | I have a 4004. | Aug 10 06:08 |
cubezzz | ah, but does it work? :) | Aug 10 06:08 |
DaemonFC | yes | Aug 10 06:09 |
DaemonFC | it's not in a PC | Aug 10 06:09 |
DaemonFC | it's in an embedded system that teaches you Intel 8-bit assembler | Aug 10 06:09 |
luwsr | awww... I feel bad for transmeta | Aug 10 06:09 |
Diablo-D3 | luwsr: I dont | Aug 10 06:09 |
cubezzz | I might have a 6502 which is older but no computer to run it | Aug 10 06:09 |
DaemonFC | assembler is all kinds of fast | Aug 10 06:10 |
luwsr | I have a 8046 | Aug 10 06:10 |
DaemonFC | Helix MP3 encoder and Gogo both use x86 assembler instead of C | Aug 10 06:10 |
DaemonFC | and encode to MP3 nearly 4 times fasterthan LAME | Aug 10 06:10 |
DaemonFC | I still use LAME though | Aug 10 06:11 |
DaemonFC | it's still well maintained | Aug 10 06:11 |
DaemonFC | about 1% of the Linux kernel is assembler | Aug 10 06:11 |
DaemonFC | because there is no C function for whatever they're trying to do there | Aug 10 06:12 |
luwsr | which parts? | Aug 10 06:12 |
DaemonFC | they try to minimize that though because it's processor specific and not portable | Aug 10 06:12 |
DaemonFC | very performance critical sections mainly | Aug 10 06:13 |
DaemonFC | I don't even remember what all they listed | Aug 10 06:13 |
DaemonFC | it's been years since I even looked | Aug 10 06:13 |
luwsr | I got the source | Aug 10 06:14 |
DaemonFC | it takes so long to write any useful amount of code in assembler that almost nobody uses it | Aug 10 06:14 |
DaemonFC | unless they have to | Aug 10 06:15 |
luwsr | there's an OS called Kolibri written in assembler it boots in have second | Aug 10 06:15 |
DaemonFC | Contiki you mean? | Aug 10 06:16 |
DaemonFC | I think the Commodore 64 port is written in assembler | Aug 10 06:17 |
DaemonFC | the rest are in C as far as I know | Aug 10 06:18 |
luwsr | no kolibri | Aug 10 06:19 |
Madness -> "Now out of office, Chirac recounts that Bush appealed to their "common faith" and told him: "Gog and Magog are at work in the Middle East... The biblical prophecies are being fulfilled... This confrontation is willed by God, who wants to use this conflict to erase his people's enemies before a New Age begins." | Aug 10 06:19 | |
http://wvgazette.com/Opinion/JamesAHaught/200907220060 | Aug 10 06:19 | |
DaemonFC | Commodore had such a following that they've been out of business for 15 years and people still make software for their computers | Aug 10 06:20 |
cubezzz | c64 was fun to program | Aug 10 06:21 |
DaemonFC | http://xkcd.com/619/ | Aug 10 06:31 |
Diablo-D3 | hahha hey guys | Aug 10 06:32 |
Diablo-D3 | I just beat the atom | Aug 10 06:32 |
Diablo-D3 | atom+ion, 25 watts, $203 with a 2gb stick of ddr2-667 | Aug 10 06:33 |
Diablo-D3 | sorry | Aug 10 06:33 |
Diablo-D3 | atom 330+ion, 25 watts, $203 with a 2gb stick of ddr2-667 | Aug 10 06:33 |
Diablo-D3 | sempron 140 (2.7ghz single core), gigabyte am3 785g board, 2x1gb sticks of ddr3-1066, $162 | Aug 10 06:34 |
Diablo-D3 | about 5 times more powerful, $40 less | Aug 10 06:35 |
Diablo-D3 | the atom 330+ion's only claim to fame is it uses half the wattage | Aug 10 06:35 |
Diablo-D3 | in fact | Aug 10 06:36 |
Diablo-D3 | if I swap out the memory for ddr3-1333 ($46 instead of $32), keep the $90 board, and swap to an athlon II X2 245 2.9ghz dual core ($68) | Aug 10 06:38 |
Diablo-D3 | it costs the same, uses three times more watts, and does about ten times more work | Aug 10 06:38 |
Diablo-D3 | I think I'm going to shit myself laughing here | Aug 10 06:43 |
an epic outing, dudes http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/years/2009/0803091pranknet1.html | Aug 10 06:45 | |
too bad they vilify Skype. | Aug 10 06:45 | |
is it not the big bad interwebs that make such pranks and bad behavior possible? droll. | Aug 10 06:45 | |
Diablo-D3 | aww pranknet is dead? | Aug 10 06:45 |
Diablo-D3 | that place was awesome :< | Aug 10 06:46 |
MinceR | 075707 < Diablo-D3> the atom 330+ion's only claim to fame is it uses half the wattage | Aug 10 06:47 |
MinceR | um, isn't that kind of the whole point? :> | Aug 10 06:47 |
Diablo-D3 | MinceR: look at where I build something $40 cheaper and uses 50 watts | Aug 10 06:47 |
Diablo-D3 | I have lightbulbs in my house that use more | Aug 10 06:47 |
MinceR | then perhaps you should look into compact fluorescent lamps :> | Aug 10 06:48 |
Diablo-D3 | naw, cant stand them | Aug 10 06:48 |
MinceR | also, how's the graphics performance? | Aug 10 06:48 |
Diablo-D3 | on an ion? actually pretty decent | Aug 10 06:48 |
MinceR | afaik the ion's claim to fame is that | Aug 10 06:48 |
Diablo-D3 | its enough to hardware decode high bandwidth h264 1080p | Aug 10 06:49 |
MinceR | how's the sempron-based thing doing? | Aug 10 06:49 |
Diablo-D3 | the 785g is about twice the performance with 128mb of it's own memory | Aug 10 06:49 |
Diablo-D3 | its a low end 4xxx | Aug 10 06:49 |
Diablo-D3 | the ion isnt using a low end 200 gtx, so the amd chip is kicking ass left and right | Aug 10 06:50 |
Diablo-D3 | the sempron has 4x more raw memory bandwidth | Aug 10 06:50 |
Diablo-D3 | actually, more than 4 | Aug 10 06:50 |
Diablo-D3 | no, 4 | Aug 10 06:50 |
Diablo-D3 | the ddr3-1333 would have more than 4 | Aug 10 06:50 |
p0wnt, completely -> The stories, which each carried a distinctive url that was created solely for Malik's viewing, were first provided to the Pranknet founder in e-mails sent to his Gmail account (axis.r9@gmail.com). On three occasions over the last six weeks, within minutes of Malik clicking a link (which recorded his IP address in Windsor), Marquis also looked at the story, resulting in his Scarborough IP being memorialized on | Aug 10 06:51 | |
ha ha. | Aug 10 06:51 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Signs That Microsoft Might Prepare for ‘Patent Terror’ Against Rival Office Suites http://ping.fm/bKYmt | Aug 10 07:04 | |
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Microsoft Search and Other Rogue Web Sites http://ping.fm/OEoCQ | Aug 10 07:30 | |
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Vista 7 Starts Looking More Like Vista Agony http://ping.fm/v3PXR | Aug 10 08:12 | |
schestowitz | Ombudsman just called | Aug 10 08:25 |
Diablo-D3 | hows he doing? =P | Aug 10 08:26 |
Diablo-D3 | I havent seen him in here for awhile | Aug 10 08:26 |
schestowitz | "Here is the message that the Commission never replied to. Let me know if more is needed." | Aug 10 08:28 |
schestowitz | Just needed to pass them more evidence that the EU Commission was shielding lobbyists | Aug 10 08:28 |
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] The Google-Microsoft Tensions Revisited http://ping.fm/6CQk5 | Aug 10 09:09 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Microsoft Caught ‘Stealing’ Music, Accuses Others of ‘Stealing’ Office http://ping.fm/IA8Yz | Aug 10 09:34 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] More Dead (or Dying) Microsoft Products http://ping.fm/af36c | Aug 10 10:18 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Intel-Microsoft Collusion in Sub-notebooks: A Smoking Gun http://ping.fm/nqp2F | Aug 10 10:56 | |
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trmanco | http://www.archlinux.org/news/434/ | Aug 10 11:47 |
schestowitz | ANarchISTLinux | Aug 10 11:53 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Microsoft Pays Fines in Vouchers — Not Money — to Wisconsin Schools, Takes Over More Nigerian Schools http://ping.fm/rC79B | Aug 10 11:55 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] Arch Linux 2009.08 official snapshots http://post.ly/24Tn | Aug 10 12:00 | |
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trmanco | http://tr.im/ | Aug 10 12:15 |
trmanco | wow | Aug 10 12:15 |
trmanco | there goes one | Aug 10 12:15 |
schestowitz | Hahaha. | Aug 10 12:17 |
schestowitz | Good lesson, aye? | Aug 10 12:17 |
*MinceR likes his urls long. | Aug 10 12:17 | |
MinceR | http://hugeurl.com/ | Aug 10 12:17 |
schestowitz | "There is no way for us to monetize URL shortening -- users won't pay for it -- and we just can't justify further development since Twitter has all but annointed bit.ly the market winner." | Aug 10 12:17 |
schestowitz | Subscribe now to shorten (i.e. 'mungle') your URLs for just $30 a month | Aug 10 12:17 |
MinceR | munge? :> | Aug 10 12:18 |
schestowitz | MinceR: sounds like some URL pr0n | Aug 10 12:18 |
MinceR | or rather, mung | Aug 10 12:18 |
schestowitz | Yeah, whatever. One of those words that sounds like the action | Aug 10 12:18 |
schestowitz | *sound | Aug 10 12:18 |
MinceR | http://www.catb.org/~esr/jargon/html/M/mung.html | Aug 10 12:19 |
MinceR | http://www.catb.org/~esr/jargon/html/M/munge.html | Aug 10 12:19 |
MinceR | both work :> | Aug 10 12:19 |
schestowitz | There is no way for us to monetize URL shortening -- users won't pay for it -- and we just can't | Aug 10 12:19 |
schestowitz | justify further development since Twitter has all but annointed bit.ly the market winner. | Aug 10 12:19 |
schestowitz | Oops. http://www.catb.org/~esr/jargon/html/E/ | Aug 10 12:20 |
schestowitz | No entry for ESR | Aug 10 12:20 |
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Microsoft’s CFO Sells MSFT http://ping.fm/NgZy7 | Aug 10 12:31 | |
schestowitz | An day ago I listened to http://www.twit.tv/floss76 . It's about Inscape, which was used to make the "Chairlet" award that the next post is about. We should run a content and attribute it to wallcimber. This is great. | Aug 10 12:35 |
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] The Golden Flying Chairlet Awards http://ping.fm/SbUd8 | Aug 10 12:55 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] "Web attack blogger blames Russia" < http://ping.fm/uWibY > How come no-one blames the Windows zombies? | Aug 10 12:57 | |
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schestowitz | The trolls from InfoWeek are back | Aug 10 13:06 |
schestowitz | With a provocative headline "is Linux irrelevant?" The truth is that InfoWeek is irrelevant, so they pass on as 'news' just a bunch of dross and old rambles | Aug 10 13:06 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Linux: "Is Information Week irrelevant?" Yes, it is. They are passing new anti-Linux rhetorics to gain traffic in their dying publicatio ... | Aug 10 13:08 | |
schestowitz | Something seems to have gone wrong with Google News, unless it's my reader. It displays old news as new | Aug 10 13:10 |
schestowitz | Confusing headline: http://www.v3.co.uk/vnunet/downloads/2207641/mozilla-personas (Mozilla Personas for Firefox 1.2.2) | Aug 10 13:14 |
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schestowitz | "Mozilla Personas 1.2.2 for Firefox" would be less ambiguous | Aug 10 13:15 |
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schestowitz | "GNU/Linux accounts for about 10 percent of PCs, Pogson added. "If, at that level, we have never seen a botnet, we will not for a few years more," he said." http://www.technewsworld.com/story/67818.html?wlc=1249907958 | Aug 10 13:24 |
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Ah! Brilliant: http://ping.fm/1RuoA Watch ITV content without blobs and DRM. | Aug 10 13:39 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] A testar serviÇo da tmn | Aug 10 13:41 | |
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thenixedreport | Greetings everyone. | Aug 10 13:51 |
thenixedreport | :) | Aug 10 13:51 |
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schestowitz | Ahoy | Aug 10 13:51 |
Eruaran | hello | Aug 10 13:51 |
*Eruaran can't believe people are still buying shares in Microsoft... | Aug 10 13:51 | |
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thenixedreport | Keep in mind that people are buying said shares for different reasons. | Aug 10 13:52 |
thenixedreport | Some may be simply thinking that MS will be stable over the next few years. | Aug 10 13:52 |
thenixedreport | Others are probably wanting to attempt a hijacking of sorts. | Aug 10 13:52 |
thenixedreport | ;) | Aug 10 13:52 |
thenixedreport | Remember, more shares = more votes | Aug 10 13:52 |
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Eruaran | yay, more votes in a dying company | Aug 10 13:53 |
Eruaran | :D | Aug 10 13:53 |
schestowitz | People with terminal disease are not allowed to die here... http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1203622/Ill-die-endgame-says-Terry-Pratchett-law-allow-assisted-suicides-UK.html | Aug 10 13:53 |
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thenixedreport | :) | Aug 10 13:53 |
thenixedreport | They're still a big company. | Aug 10 13:53 |
thenixedreport | Keep that in mind. | Aug 10 13:53 |
schestowitz | Just shrunk | Aug 10 13:53 |
Eruaran | If the CFO is selling... I don't think I'd be buying | Aug 10 13:53 |
schestowitz | It won't grow again | Aug 10 13:53 |
thenixedreport | They're like a cornered animal. | Aug 10 13:53 |
schestowitz | I doubt it ever will | Aug 10 13:53 |
thenixedreport | They're more dangerous than ever. | Aug 10 13:54 |
schestowitz | They have sold 3% of the company on Friday | Aug 10 13:54 |
schestowitz | thenixedreport: yes, thus the need for vigilance | Aug 10 13:54 |
schestowitz | Patents are their spiel now | Aug 10 13:54 |
Eruaran | I think they're on the verge of entering Commodore territory ;) | Aug 10 13:54 |
thenixedreport | By purchasing shares, power can be taken away from them. | Aug 10 13:54 |
thenixedreport | Some are doing that. | Aug 10 13:55 |
Eruaran | indeed | Aug 10 13:55 |
thenixedreport | (Then again, there are those doing that for the wrong reasons as well) | Aug 10 13:55 |
Eruaran | I think the aim might be to get rid of Ballmer | Aug 10 13:55 |
thenixedreport | Ah Ballmer, the Joe Biden of the software world. | Aug 10 13:55 |
Eruaran | He made some more dumb comments recently | Aug 10 13:55 |
thenixedreport | Not surprised really. | Aug 10 13:56 |
schestowitz | AGainst Linux | Aug 10 13:56 |
Eruaran | He reckons MSFT has a better business model than Apple or companies that offer Free Software | Aug 10 13:56 |
schestowitz | http://tech.blorge.com/Structure:%20/2009/08/09/microsoft-ceo-belittles-apple-and-linux-in-one-speech/ | Aug 10 13:56 |
Eruaran | 0_o | Aug 10 13:56 |
schestowitz | As long as they have share | Aug 10 13:56 |
schestowitz | The whole idea of developing alone only works if you have high cash flow | Aug 10 13:57 |
schestowitz | Microsoft has huge spendings | Aug 10 13:57 |
schestowitz | Mandriva mostly integrates stuff and fixes it | Aug 10 13:57 |
Eruaran | I have a BenQ X31 notebook here... man I love this thing | Aug 10 13:58 |
Eruaran | Just about the perfect notebook for me | Aug 10 13:58 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] More sheer corruption in journals: "Medical Papers by Ghostwriters Pushed Therapy " http://ping.fm/R4P07 You can even trust blogs more...? | Aug 10 14:00 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] BBC reporter arrested over undercover Panorama investigation < http://ping.fm/VOBuU >Defending status quo? | Aug 10 14:01 | |
schestowitz | Tehelka news magazine pictures point to Indian police killing unarmed man < http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/aug/06/tehelka-expose-police-fake-encounter > | Aug 10 14:02 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] "Ian Tomlinson's family accuse police of cover-up over his death" < http://ping.fm/ULj9u > | Aug 10 14:03 | |
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Ng | --help | Aug 10 14:11 |
schestowitz | Ng: procps version 3.2.7 | Aug 10 14:15 |
schestowitz | usage: Ng -h | -b -d -n iterations -p pid [,pid ...] | Aug 10 14:16 |
Ng | thanks! ;) | Aug 10 14:16 |
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] GNU/Linux is doomed!!111 :-) Macs run KDE 4.3 http://ping.fm/hvZBE | Aug 10 14:21 | |
schestowitz | "This is the first KDE4 version that I could really recommed for full time use. KDE 4.1 was ok, 4.2 was better but 4.3 is really good." | Aug 10 14:21 |
schestowitz | Install KDE 4.3 In Ubuntu Jaunty 9.04 http://webupd8.blogspot.com/2009/08/install-kde-43-in-ubuntu-jaunty-904.html | Aug 10 14:22 |
schestowitz | "Otherwise, the project isn't seeing any dips in participation rates, he said. In July, KDE.org had more than 12,000 changes--called commits--contributed to the project code base by developers. That's up from 10,800 commits in June. Over the past year, the commit rate has ranged from 8,000 to 11,000 per month, Seigo said." | Aug 10 14:24 |
schestowitz | http://linux.com/news/software/developer/33087-how-are-open-source-software-projects-surviving-the-economic-recession | Aug 10 14:24 |
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] I've just upgraded permanently to Firefox 3.5.x. Extensions regained compatibility, finally (I have about 30). Main browser is Thunderbr ... | Aug 10 14:38 | |
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Mozilla’s Chris Beard Versus Software Patents (Video) http://ping.fm/iiHKQ | Aug 10 15:05 | |
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schestowitz | Firefox has humour: "Well, this is embarrassing. Firefox is having trouble recovering your windows and tabs. This is usually caused by a recently opened web page." | Aug 10 15:21 |
MinceR | it's usually caused by the fact that session management in firefox sucks hard | Aug 10 15:22 |
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schestowitz | No, I deliberately killed it | Aug 10 15:23 |
schestowitz | Just testing some stuff | Aug 10 15:23 |
schestowitz | TinyURL extension doesn't work | Aug 10 15:23 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Worldwide Slump Makes Nigeria's Online Scammers Work That Much Harde < http://ping.fm/TYdw6 > Poor scammers... | Aug 10 15:23 | |
schestowitz | It's as though they don't maintain it anymore. I bet bitly and is.bad take a lot of people away from tinyrl | Aug 10 15:24 |
MinceR | i tend to lose my session on upgrades, for example | Aug 10 15:25 |
MinceR | and of course once the upgrade happens, firefox tends to be badly disabled until it's restarted | Aug 10 15:25 |
schestowitz | I needed it for Ogg | Aug 10 15:25 |
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MinceR | ...so i couldn't even save it to bookmarks, i had to drag the tabs out into konqueror one by one | Aug 10 15:26 |
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schestowitz | I'm not sure why I ever used Firefox | Aug 10 15:31 |
schestowitz | I remember the days of Mozilla | Aug 10 15:31 |
schestowitz | Now we have /far/ more choice in GNU/Linux | Aug 10 15:31 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Merciless software patent aggressor found likely to be engaging in corruption. http://ping.fm/6bXCh | Aug 10 15:31 | |
schestowitz | People don't quite realise that when XP was a 'new' OS Linux was quite behind for practical purposes | Aug 10 15:31 |
schestowitz | Video, Flash, Web browser in an age of ActiveXray (Cancer) | Aug 10 15:32 |
MinceR | i didn't notice that | Aug 10 15:33 |
MinceR | somehow i didn't need RadioActiveX at all, ever :> | Aug 10 15:33 |
schestowitz | Some sites need this drek | Aug 10 15:33 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] http://ping.fm/wTuC5 TThis says nothing about copying of files via USB. Looks like self-serving dossier. | Aug 10 15:33 | |
schestowitz | Not as many as there used to be | Aug 10 15:33 |
MinceR | and as trash spread, it also became sort of supported | Aug 10 15:34 |
MinceR | (i think i'll still aim for running a separate browser for trash, though) | Aug 10 15:34 |
MinceR | then i could even easily switch between trash and swfdec as needed | Aug 10 15:35 |
MinceR | or use swfdec in my stable browser and trash in the temporary one | Aug 10 15:35 |
schestowitz | What mail client d'ya use? | Aug 10 15:35 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Pigs fly in harmony as Toshiba does Blu-ray, which is valuable for massive off-site backups http://ping.fm/0Y5Nr | Aug 10 15:35 | |
MinceR | evolution | Aug 10 15:35 |
schestowitz | Meh. | Aug 10 15:35 |
schestowitz | Novell~1 | Aug 10 15:35 |
MinceR | but i'm not even nearly satisfied | Aug 10 15:35 |
MinceR | i'm looking for one that supports search folders properly | Aug 10 15:35 |
schestowitz | Use THundrbird with ThundeBrowse if you read RSS | Aug 10 15:35 |
schestowitz | I was on KMail till 2004/5 | Aug 10 15:36 |
MinceR | evolution seemed to come closest, but the current version i'm using (lenny) is pretty broken | Aug 10 15:36 |
MinceR | i was on kmail until 1.10 | Aug 10 15:36 |
*schestowitz looks at curent | Aug 10 15:36 | |
MinceR | which introduced the new crash-when-you-look-at-a-search-folder feature | Aug 10 15:36 |
MinceR | (which was fixed since) | Aug 10 15:36 |
MinceR | (iirc) | Aug 10 15:36 |
schestowitz | 1.9.9 on mine | Aug 10 15:36 |
MinceR | thunderbird breaks search folders pretty awfully, too | Aug 10 15:37 |
schestowitz | It looks good cause of Qt | Aug 10 15:37 |
schestowitz | Looke Qute | Aug 10 15:37 |
MinceR | also, evolution does offline mode and syncing pretty well, i got used to that -- i'm not sure how well it's supported elsewhere | Aug 10 15:37 |
MinceR | last time i checked, kmail's disconnected imap support was pretty weak | Aug 10 15:37 |
schestowitz | What if Google made a desktop mail client? | Aug 10 15:38 |
MinceR | it would probably suck | Aug 10 15:38 |
schestowitz | I guess Chrome+gmail serves em | Aug 10 15:38 |
MinceR | i'm waiting for a stable chromium, so i can see if it's worth the trouble | Aug 10 15:38 |
MinceR | so far all google products i've ever used, except for web search and image search, sucked pretty horribly | Aug 10 15:38 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] MoD website outflanked by XSS flaws < http://ping.fm/fWd2X > It's a Windows shop. http://ping.fm/vqoC5 | Aug 10 15:45 | |
Eruaran | I don't understand Google's development process with Chromium/Chrome | Aug 10 15:46 |
Eruaran | Seems like they made more work for themselves needlessly | Aug 10 15:46 |
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schestowitz | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/08/10/job_cuts_public_sector/ Job cuts move from private to public sector | Aug 10 15:47 |
schestowitz | Eruaran: some say Microsoft's recruitment of Microsoft employees did not help much | Aug 10 15:48 |
Eruaran | ? | Aug 10 15:49 |
schestowitz | Google has some | Aug 10 15:49 |
Eruaran | you mean Google's recruitment of M$ employees ? | Aug 10 15:50 |
schestowitz | Yes. | Aug 10 15:50 |
schestowitz | And others. | Aug 10 15:50 |
schestowitz | Google's hires make up the company | Aug 10 15:50 |
schestowitz | And as it changes from within those whom they recruit change too | Aug 10 15:51 |
schestowitz | It's like sending a crony into a city to open the gate for you | Aug 10 15:51 |
Eruaran | I was confused as you said, "Microsoft's recruitment of Microsoft employees" | Aug 10 15:51 |
schestowitz | Watch what they did to Yahoo! with Icahn and other Gangster | Aug 10 15:51 |
schestowitz | *rs | Aug 10 15:51 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] < http://ping.fm/VwugS "Spam and scams have continued to flow from the fallout of last week's DDoS against Twitter." | Aug 10 15:51 | |
schestowitz | Eruaran: Oops. "Google's" | Aug 10 15:51 |
schestowitz | It figures | Aug 10 15:51 |
schestowitz | Hopefully we can still tell the difference b/w them in the future | Aug 10 15:52 |
Eruaran | I'd consider the hiring of M$FT employees a huge waste of time, at best... at worst, a danger. | Aug 10 15:52 |
schestowitz | I still think of Yahoo! as Bartzmer smiling idiotically at Balmer | Aug 10 15:52 |
MinceR | Eruaran: Chrome is a branded version of Chromium with proprietary crap | Aug 10 15:52 |
MinceR | Chromium is FLOSS | Aug 10 15:52 |
Eruaran | yes | Aug 10 15:52 |
schestowitz | MinceR: maybe it's like Android | Aug 10 15:53 |
MinceR | so they develop Chromium with the community, slap some evil code and google branding on it, and release Chrome | Aug 10 15:53 |
schestowitz | Chrome can't be FOSS cause of FCC :-) | Aug 10 15:53 |
MinceR | huh? | Aug 10 15:53 |
schestowitz | It must be closed, otherwise the TERROR~1 will fly planes into buildings | Aug 10 15:53 |
MinceR | lol | Aug 10 15:53 |
schestowitz | I guess you don't know? | Aug 10 15:53 |
Eruaran | The M$-FCC | Aug 10 15:53 |
schestowitz | That's the excuse for closed phones | Aug 10 15:53 |
MinceR | i've heard | Aug 10 15:53 |
schestowitz | FCC helps them | Aug 10 15:53 |
schestowitz | And Applesoft too | Aug 10 15:53 |
schestowitz | With HypePhone | Aug 10 15:54 |
MinceR | but for a moment i was thinking of Chrome | Aug 10 15:54 |
schestowitz | Let me find it | Aug 10 15:54 |
MinceR | so are they going to ban OpenMoko now? | Aug 10 15:54 |
schestowitz | http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20090729/1929035702.shtml | Aug 10 15:54 |
schestowitz | "The EFF is trying to get a DMCA exemption from the Library of Congress for people who jailbreak their iPhones (if history is any indication, this won't happen -- the Library of Congress never seems to care about consumer rights)." []Is Apple Suggesting That The DMCA Prevents Terrorism?] | Aug 10 15:54 |
schestowitz | British boffin named first ever 'doctor of texting' < http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2009/08/10/texting_phd/ > | Aug 10 15:56 |
schestowitz | "A student at a British university has been awarded the first ever PhD in text messaging." | Aug 10 15:56 |
MinceR | those silly british scientists | Aug 10 15:56 |
Diablo-D3 | schestowitz: you know | Aug 10 16:00 |
Diablo-D3 | todays not a bad day | Aug 10 16:00 |
MinceR | it is a good day to die? :> | Aug 10 16:01 |
schestowitz | EU ombudsman slams commission for being mean to Intel http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/1528769/eu-ombudsman-slams-commission-mean-intel Disappointing. It was about time someone tells Intel off for their crimes. Other continents did so too. | Aug 10 16:01 |
schestowitz | MinceR: only if you have terminal illness | Aug 10 16:02 |
MinceR | :> | Aug 10 16:02 |
schestowitz | See, it's cloudy here today. Euthanasia on sunny days is kind of a waste :-p | Aug 10 16:02 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Apple imposes shackles on workers, not just customers. http://ping.fm/1go7e | Aug 10 16:06 | |
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] So-called TERROR~1 countries have... well... CPUs!!! < http://ping.fm/8cLv1 > It is a little unjust for the US to impose sanctions also ... | Aug 10 16:09 | |
schestowitz | ...on innocent civilians | Aug 10 16:10 |
schestowitz | If (cpu="available") than collide (plane, building); | Aug 10 16:11 |
MinceR | oh noes | Aug 10 16:11 |
schestowitz | KDE4.. neat!! http://alediaferia.wordpress.com/2009/08/08/mediacenter-again/ | Aug 10 16:12 |
MinceR | that also means that at least thousands of people who dare think differently^W^W^W^W^Wterrorists also own state-of-the-art computing technology! | Aug 10 16:12 |
MinceR | s/differently/for themselves^W/ | Aug 10 16:12 |
tacone | "celeron" == "state of the art": FALSE | Aug 10 16:14 |
schestowitz | MinceR: they basically say, if you're a kid born in Cuba, then you're a threat to US 'national security' (which you ain't!), so you are not permitted to enter the digital age and get education | Aug 10 16:14 |
schestowitz | The policymakers in the US have totally ignored public opinion on this and they cause resentment. | Aug 10 16:15 |
schestowitz | IIRC, polls show that 2/3 of US citizens want to embargo removed. | Aug 10 16:15 |
MinceR | i doubt that they'd only think of Cubans as such | Aug 10 16:15 |
Eruaran | Big Brother will put you on a watchlist for making terrorist jokes | Aug 10 16:15 |
schestowitz | Cuba's main crime (other than past atrocities) is not taking orders from Bush and Cheney and chums | Aug 10 16:15 |
schestowitz | They also set an example for Latin and South America, which is SO SO dangerous | Aug 10 16:16 |
schestowitz | SO financial strangulation is the way forward | Aug 10 16:16 |
MinceR | well, they have their current crimes | Aug 10 16:16 |
schestowitz | Punish the population to overthrow the government | Aug 10 16:16 |
MinceR | but i doubt that the USA has the right to withhold IT from them because of that | Aug 10 16:16 |
MinceR | it's exactly the government who can get such hardware anyway, no matter what | Aug 10 16:17 |
schestowitz | Yeah. | Aug 10 16:17 |
thenixedreport | But as a soverign nation, the U.S. should be able to decide what things get to leave the country. | Aug 10 16:17 |
schestowitz | Just made them resentful in vain | Aug 10 16:17 |
MinceR | smuggle out a few from a country where they're sold freely | Aug 10 16:17 |
schestowitz | It's like War On Drugs(R) | Aug 10 16:17 |
schestowitz | People who want drugs get them anyway | Aug 10 16:17 |
schestowitz | Just less safely and for higher prices | Aug 10 16:17 |
schestowitz | War on Piracy(C) | Aug 10 16:17 |
schestowitz | [no, not in Somalia] | Aug 10 16:17 |
Diablo-D3 | can we have a War on Wars(tm) already? | Aug 10 16:18 |
schestowitz | "Antonia, I gots here two block of realyl really hard cocainnnna and 2 CPU" | Aug 10 16:18 |
Eruaran | you can subscribe to the pirate bay with miro | Aug 10 16:19 |
schestowitz | emocracy Playa! | Aug 10 16:19 |
MinceR | emocracy? :) | Aug 10 16:20 |
schestowitz | MinceR: typo | Aug 10 16:20 |
schestowitz | Democracy | Aug 10 16:20 |
MinceR | fun typo though | Aug 10 16:21 |
schestowitz | Maybe forbidden in CHina nontheless | Aug 10 16:21 |
schestowitz | Or maybe it's #1 result in Baidu | Aug 10 16:21 |
schestowitz | Keeping people away from unhealthy stuff like Wikipedia | Aug 10 16:21 |
schestowitz | I'll post Linux news early today. It's a good day. | Aug 10 16:21 |
schestowitz | MinceR: mockracy | Aug 10 16:21 |
MinceR | :) | Aug 10 16:21 |
schestowitz | "Ready for the desktop" meme again *Sigh* http://suffolk757.com/blog/2009/08/07/linux-getting-closer-to-being-ready-for-the-desktop/ | Aug 10 16:22 |
schestowitz | Beef is almost ready for the table | Aug 10 16:22 |
MinceR | "Historically, Patricians were often power-mad, selfish men who didn't want to share their power. They believed in the principle of "one man, one vote" (as in, "I am the Man, I have the Vote")." | Aug 10 16:22 |
schestowitz | Murdoch is almost ready for the casket | Aug 10 16:22 |
schestowitz | MinceR: the US is not a democracy | Aug 10 16:23 |
schestowitz | It never was | Aug 10 16:23 |
schestowitz | But this error is repeated in many presidential speeches | Aug 10 16:23 |
schestowitz | It is technically a polyarchy since the country was founded. | Aug 10 16:24 |
schestowitz | Howto Disable Opera 10's Tray Icon http://www.ubuntu-inside.me/2009/08/howto-disable-opera-10s-tray-icon_08.html | Aug 10 16:24 |
schestowitz | Opera is good. I'd use it if it were libre | Aug 10 16:25 |
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schestowitz | l33t hax0r: http://linuxtree.blogspot.com/2009/07/alter-colour-of-your-ubuntu.html | Aug 10 16:25 |
schestowitz | Look me. I cleaned up the orange/brown bits | Aug 10 16:25 |
schestowitz | *loom ma | Aug 10 16:26 |
schestowitz | *look ma [cant' type] | Aug 10 16:26 |
MinceR | i might use opera again, even though it's proprietary | Aug 10 16:28 |
MinceR | i want to find a sustainable way to manage packages from outside the repos, then i can install ff 3.5 or whatever and see if it's good enough | Aug 10 16:28 |
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schestowitz | MinceR: http://fracturedlogic.wordpress.com/2009/08/08/kubuntu/ | Aug 10 16:31 |
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deals | artilce http://boycottnovell.com/2009/08/10/intel-microsoft-price-fixing/ | Aug 10 16:38 |
deals | forgot Maemo: http://maemo.org/ | Aug 10 16:38 |
deals | some spin going on vs Maemo | Aug 10 16:39 |
schestowitz | http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/08/08/i-want-to-love-firefox-35-but-it-keeps-crashing-on-me/ | Aug 10 16:40 |
schestowitz | deals: what spin? | Aug 10 16:40 |
schestowitz | I've not come acorss it | Aug 10 16:40 |
schestowitz | Though I listened to this one yesterday. http://www.twit.tv/floss54 | Aug 10 16:40 |
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schestowitz | MinceR: the US is not a democracy | Aug 10 16:05 |
schestowitz | It never was | Aug 10 16:05 |
schestowitz | But this error is repeated in many presidential speeches | Aug 10 16:05 |
schestowitz | It is technically a polyarchy since the country was founded. | Aug 10 16:05 |
schestowitz | Howto Disable Opera 10's Tray Icon http://www.ubuntu-inside.me/2009/08/howto-disable-opera-10s-tray-icon_08.html | Aug 10 16:06 |
schestowitz | Opera is good. I'd use it if it were libre | Aug 10 16:06 |
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schestowitz | l33t hax0r: http://linuxtree.blogspot.com/2009/07/alter-colour-of-your-ubuntu.html | Aug 10 16:07 |
schestowitz | Look me. I cleaned up the orange/brown bits | Aug 10 16:07 |
schestowitz | *loom ma | Aug 10 16:07 |
schestowitz | *look ma [cant' type] | Aug 10 16:08 |
MinceR | i might use opera again, even though it's proprietary | Aug 10 16:09 |
MinceR | i want to find a sustainable way to manage packages from outside the repos, then i can install ff 3.5 or whatever and see if it's good enough | Aug 10 16:10 |
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schestowitz | MinceR: http://fracturedlogic.wordpress.com/2009/08/08/kubuntu/ | Aug 10 16:13 |
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deals | artilce http://boycottnovell.com/2009/08/10/intel-microsoft-price-fixing/ | Aug 10 16:19 |
deals | forgot Maemo: http://maemo.org/ | Aug 10 16:20 |
deals | some spin going on vs Maemo | Aug 10 16:20 |
MinceR | who's spinning against Maemo? | Aug 10 16:21 |
deals | wikipedia entry on Moblin edited to omit Maemo | Aug 10 16:21 |
deals | http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Moblin&oldid=305228581 | Aug 10 16:21 |
deals | no clue, | Aug 10 16:21 |
deals | what are Novell or M$ ties to Moblin? | Aug 10 16:21 |
deals | mebbe just M$ say-for-pay pundits afraid of naming the leader | Aug 10 16:22 |
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roy__ | Why does Perlow promote Microsoft's bad imitation of virt? http://www.kdedevelopers.org/node/4038 | Aug 10 16:35 |
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MinceR | virt? | Aug 10 16:36 |
schestowitz | I fell off freenode (logger_bat stayed there, so I can merge) | Aug 10 16:36 |
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schestowitz | Molbin is Ballnux inflicted | Aug 10 16:37 |
MinceR | how? | Aug 10 16:37 |
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roy__ | Why does Perlow promote Microsoft's bad imitation of virt? http://www.kdedevelopers.org/node/4038 | Aug 10 16:53 |
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MinceR | virt? | Aug 10 16:54 |
schestowitz | I fell off freenode (logger_bat stayed there, so I can merge) | Aug 10 16:55 |
schestowitz | deals is gone | Aug 10 16:55 |
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schestowitz | Molbin is Ballnux inflicted | Aug 10 16:55 |
MinceR | how? | Aug 10 16:55 |
schestowitz | *Moblin | Aug 10 16:55 |
schestowitz | So it could have tax | Aug 10 16:56 |
schestowitz | Moblin is SUSE | Aug 10 16:56 |
MinceR | oh. | Aug 10 16:56 |
schestowitz | I see there's some rocky weather in Freenode | Aug 10 16:57 |
schestowitz | "SUSE Studio" sounds like a women's hairdresser, no? | Aug 10 17:01 |
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MinceR | now that you mention it, it does | Aug 10 17:02 |
schestowitz | Awwwwwwwwwwww....... "Too Good To Be True" cliche http://www.itnewstoday.com/?p=766 | Aug 10 17:03 |
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Watch the logo/identity of SUSE Studio. It's like a representation of what Novell is to Microsoft. http://ping.fm/CLW0c | Aug 10 17:06 | |
schestowitz | cute picture: http://www.pclinuxonline.com/?p=196 | Aug 10 17:08 |
MinceR | i'd prefer to be easily able to believe it isn't windows. | Aug 10 17:10 |
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schestowitz | Ubuntu it is < http://www.muddysmind.com/archives/001374.html > | Aug 10 17:13 |
schestowitz | PCLOS is trying to be similar | Aug 10 17:13 |
schestowitz | See old logo | Aug 10 17:13 |
schestowitz | http://fc09.deviantart.com/fs15/i/2007/020/3/d/PCLinuxOS_logo_by_urke.png | Aug 10 17:15 |
MinceR | ugh | Aug 10 17:16 |
schestowitz | http://www.informationweek.com/news/software/linux/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=219100371 They are passing new anti-Linux rhetoric (See headline) to gain traffic in their dying publication. | Aug 10 17:17 |
MinceR | and it's working. | Aug 10 17:18 |
schestowitz | Microsoft Works{tm} | Aug 10 17:18 |
MinceR | nice contradiction in terms | Aug 10 17:19 |
schestowitz | [Sometimes. Read EULA and sign [here]] | Aug 10 17:19 |
MinceR | "Windows Server" is another | Aug 10 17:19 |
schestowitz | Servlet | Aug 10 17:19 |
schestowitz | Should have "Warning! DO NOT use in a production environment" | Aug 10 17:19 |
MinceR | It Serves You Right! | Aug 10 17:19 |
MinceR | (or perhaps without the "It ") | Aug 10 17:19 |
schestowitz | Windows Seven-Minute | Aug 10 17:20 |
MinceR | Windows Seven-Months-Until-Reinstall? | Aug 10 17:20 |
schestowitz | Depends. | Aug 10 17:20 |
schestowitz | If it has 64-bit and lots of RAM the Registry might cope | Aug 10 17:20 |
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[omar_s_hafez] ..tick..tick..tick..tock...BOOM!!!!!! -_- | Aug 10 17:22 | |
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schestowitz | trmanco: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/08/10/trim_url_shortening_service_dies/ Tr.im cuts air supply, says no money in tiny Web 2.0 pot | Aug 10 17:33 |
schestowitz | I've just learned some interesting things about Moblin, which is SUSE based. | Aug 10 17:38 |
_Hicham_ | SUSE - Mono = A Great Distro | Aug 10 17:43 |
schestowitz | Pardus is better perhaps | Aug 10 17:45 |
schestowitz | based on reviews | Aug 10 17:45 |
Eruaran | You know, I think Microsoft could put together a good GNU/Linux distro. ;) | Aug 10 17:46 |
schestowitz | It won't last | Aug 10 17:47 |
schestowitz | Microsoft can't pay wages this way | Aug 10 17:47 |
Eruaran | Think about it, they know all about using stuff developed by other people and putting it together in a package that is attractive to consumers. ;) | Aug 10 17:47 |
schestowitz | Microsoft is still selling ice in Antarctica | Aug 10 17:47 |
schestowitz | Many people just don't know yet that they can carve ice off the ground | Aug 10 17:48 |
schestowitz | Eruaran: you mean "bundle""? | Aug 10 17:48 |
Eruaran | indeed | Aug 10 17:48 |
Eruaran | schestowitz: yes ;) | Aug 10 17:48 |
schestowitz | I'm sure Microsoft will sort out of some nice 'pot' (bribe) to forcefeed it | Aug 10 17:48 |
schestowitz | They already do that with SUSE to an extent | Aug 10 17:49 |
schestowitz | They funnel money for Novell to fight all those 'nasty' free Linuxes | Aug 10 17:49 |
schestowitz | Microsoft could call it hippios, just for the sake of it | Aug 10 17:50 |
schestowitz | "Hippios comes in 7 innovative editions, enterprise ready and people-ready" | Aug 10 17:51 |
schestowitz | Then they'll exploit some 5 year old kids in adverts like they do in the UK.. to advertise HippiOS | Aug 10 17:51 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Denial of Windows on the Rise, Apparently http://ping.fm/srWPw http://ping.fm/mFSIQ | Aug 10 17:58 | |
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Linux is Getting the Tux3 File System http://ping.fm/Z1U0M | Aug 10 18:11 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[tracyrreed] Watching the Unisys Dell contractor fix an R610 chassis. Yeay Dell. | Aug 10 18:18 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] GNU/Linux Augments Selection of Native Games http://ping.fm/DaQRv | Aug 10 18:22 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] KDE development is healthy http://ping.fm/4P3Ab | Aug 10 18:23 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] K Desktop Environment 4.3 Receives Quite Glowing Reviews http://ping.fm/NSGT3 | Aug 10 18:26 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] GNU/Linux Desktop Claimed as Easy as Anything Else http://ping.fm/Ph721 | Aug 10 18:27 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Arch Linux 2009.08 is Officially Released http://ping.fm/5Wat0 http://ping.fm/RqhAg | Aug 10 18:30 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Question of Distributions Diversity: Poll http://ping.fm/9uXDA | Aug 10 18:31 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Mandriva and Its Family (PCLinuxOS) Gets New Packages http://ping.fm/ymeae http://ping.fm/Qbgcc | Aug 10 18:35 | |
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Mandriva Linux Derivative Pardus Linux 2009 Gets Wonderful Reviews http://ping.fm/lgRMq | Aug 10 18:49 | |
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Ubuntu Derivative Trisquel 2.2 is Released http://ping.fm/KUJp6 | Aug 10 18:53 | |
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Review of Kubuntu from GNOME Devotee http://ping.fm/T3iyF | Aug 10 18:55 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Review of Ubuntu 9.10 Karmic Koala (Alpha) http://ping.fm/a9nYc | Aug 10 18:57 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] More New GNU/Linux Releases: paldo 1.19, GParted 0.4.6, Estrella Roja 2.5 | Aug 10 18:59 | |
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wispygalaxy | hi guys! i'm back from my trip to germany | Aug 10 19:01 |
schestowitz | Been ages !! | Aug 10 19:02 |
wispygalaxy | hi roy! :D | Aug 10 19:02 |
wispygalaxy | i missed you guys | Aug 10 19:02 |
schestowitz | trmanco: did you miss her too? :-p | Aug 10 19:02 |
wispygalaxy | i came back yesterday | Aug 10 19:02 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] KDE4 is Coming to Sub-notebooks http://ping.fm/9x3eS | Aug 10 19:02 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] D-I-Y Fog Computing with Free Software http://ping.fm/ti6nh | Aug 10 19:02 | |
wispygalaxy | haha | Aug 10 19:02 |
schestowitz | trmanco said you ran away from us :-p[ | Aug 10 19:02 |
wispygalaxy | oh no, i didn't mean to :( | Aug 10 19:02 |
trmanco | hey hey | Aug 10 19:03 |
wispygalaxy | what's up? :) | Aug 10 19:03 |
trmanco | of course I missed wispygalaxy | Aug 10 19:03 |
wispygalaxy | awww thanks! | Aug 10 19:03 |
trmanco | so, how was your trip? | Aug 10 19:03 |
schestowitz | [I was joking BTW] | Aug 10 19:03 |
wispygalaxy | hehe roy | Aug 10 19:03 |
wispygalaxy | it was great! the weather was nice | Aug 10 19:03 |
wispygalaxy | no humidity, NJ is so humid | Aug 10 19:04 |
wispygalaxy | nj= new jersey | Aug 10 19:04 |
trmanco | yeah | Aug 10 19:04 |
wispygalaxy | and german candy is really good | Aug 10 19:04 |
trmanco | never been there | Aug 10 19:04 |
trmanco | nj or germany | Aug 10 19:05 |
wispygalaxy | you should go- it's pretty | Aug 10 19:05 |
trmanco | even though I'm not that far | Aug 10 19:05 |
schestowitz | wispygalaxy: http://linuxundich.de/de/ubuntu/windows-7-fail-und-gratulation-an-kde/ | Aug 10 19:05 |
wispygalaxy | nj is alright | Aug 10 19:05 |
wispygalaxy | thanks roy | Aug 10 19:05 |
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wispygalaxy | brb phone | Aug 10 19:05 |
trmanco | brb, shower | Aug 10 19:10 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Lib Dems Fight Web Abuse http://ping.fm/YWq3P , Malaysia Adopts Censorship http://ping.fm/QeGRo | Aug 10 19:10 | |
schestowitz | wispygalaxy: The Germans Love Laptop Linux. So Why Don't We? http://www.bmighty.com/blog/main/archives/2009/07/the_germans_lov.html Linux Laptops Bestsellers in Germany http://www.linuxtech.net/news/Linux_Laptops_Bestsellers_in_Germany.html Word on the street is that your Linux advocacy strip made all the difference. | Aug 10 19:10 |
wispygalaxy | im back! :) | Aug 10 19:11 |
wispygalaxy | i saw linux in a store... in Germany! | Aug 10 19:11 |
wispygalaxy | medimax was the store | Aug 10 19:12 |
wispygalaxy | it was opensuse 11.1 i think | Aug 10 19:14 |
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schestowitz | wispygalaxy: yes, Ubuntu is popular there too | Aug 10 19:15 |
wispygalaxy | i miss my ubuntu days haha | Aug 10 19:16 |
wispygalaxy | but now i'm a debian girl | Aug 10 19:17 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] "The Decline and Fall of Microsoft" http://ping.fm/xRcZz | Aug 10 19:17 | |
wispygalaxy | MS is going the way of the Roman empire | Aug 10 19:18 |
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schestowitz | Debian is strong now | Aug 10 19:23 |
schestowitz | Also good upgrade paths | Aug 10 19:23 |
schestowitz | I might try Pardus next. It's tempting | Aug 10 19:23 |
wispygalaxy | i heard of pardus before | Aug 10 19:24 |
wispygalaxy | yes debian is great, i would like to try fedora next | Aug 10 19:24 |
wispygalaxy | i hear debian is changing its release schedule method? | Aug 10 19:24 |
wispygalaxy | so what's up with the Comp.os.linux.advocacy guys? | Aug 10 19:24 |
wispygalaxy | did you guys behave while i was gone? :D | Aug 10 19:25 |
schestowitz | Naaa... | Aug 10 19:29 |
schestowitz | "Now go to your room and tidy up" | Aug 10 19:29 |
wispygalaxy | lol | Aug 10 19:30 |
wispygalaxy | i'm on COLA now... reading some stuff | Aug 10 19:30 |
*schestowitz watches http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l_hF9zq4QXU&feature=PlayList&p=720F404A66AB6C14&index=42&playnext=2&playnext_from=PL | Aug 10 19:30 | |
wispygalaxy | interesting, roy! | Aug 10 19:30 |
wispygalaxy | my chem teacher made chemistry so boring, but outside the classroom the subject is great | Aug 10 19:31 |
trmanco | Arch Linux is going to be my next try | Aug 10 19:35 |
wispygalaxy | my friend at school tried it out | Aug 10 19:35 |
wispygalaxy | he liked it | Aug 10 19:35 |
wispygalaxy | he also tried out ubuntu | Aug 10 19:36 |
wispygalaxy | maybe one day i'll be able to tackle gentoo | Aug 10 19:36 |
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trmanco | ahh | Aug 10 19:36 |
trmanco | I tried that once | Aug 10 19:36 |
trmanco | I failed to install the bootloader | Aug 10 19:36 |
_Hicham_ | schestowitz : u don't have to host ogv files on BN, there is already Dailymotion OpenVideo Hosting | Aug 10 19:37 |
schestowitz | Arch scares me | Aug 10 19:37 |
wispygalaxy | darn bootloader :P | Aug 10 19:37 |
schestowitz | _Hicham_: that's OK | Aug 10 19:37 |
wispygalaxy | don't be scared, there are other distros to comfort you :D | Aug 10 19:37 |
trmanco | http://tinyvid.tv/ | Aug 10 19:37 |
trmanco | arch is actually pretty easy | Aug 10 19:37 |
_Hicham_ | schestowitz : it is better than requesting proprietary flash from the user | Aug 10 19:38 |
wispygalaxy | that's a relief, tony :) | Aug 10 19:38 |
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trmanco | I installed it a couple of times in a VM, never had a problem | Aug 10 19:38 |
trmanco | he wiki is a great help | Aug 10 19:38 |
trmanco | the* | Aug 10 19:38 |
wispygalaxy | wikis are a great way to pool knowledge into a convenient spot | Aug 10 19:39 |
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wispygalaxy | you don't need to scramble around on search engines | Aug 10 19:40 |
wispygalaxy | i never tried out a VM before | Aug 10 19:40 |
wispygalaxy | i g2g now... lunchtime for me | Aug 10 19:42 |
wispygalaxy | see you later! :) | Aug 10 19:43 |
trmanco | cya | Aug 10 19:43 |
trmanco | http://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/996i0/arch_linux_200908_official_iso_release/ | Aug 10 19:43 |
wispygalaxy | bye tony! | Aug 10 19:44 |
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trmanco | bye | Aug 10 19:46 |
wispygalaxy | tell roy i said bye bye too :D | Aug 10 19:47 |
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_goblin | hi all | Aug 10 19:51 |
trmanco | hello | Aug 10 19:52 |
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_goblin | had 490 hits from one link today! | Aug 10 19:54 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Mepis 8 review coming up shortly...as well as news on the Openbytes Podcast...I'm slowly getting through my list of "pending" | Aug 10 19:54 | |
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schestowitz | Googol and Googolplex by Carl Sagan < http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0lFQOmb6mVs&feature=PlayList&p=720F404A66AB6C14&index=36 > <-- before Google existed | Aug 10 20:10 |
MinceR | 190520 < _Hicham_> SUSE - Mono = A Great Distro | Aug 10 20:15 |
MinceR | except it isn't | Aug 10 20:15 |
MinceR | :> | Aug 10 20:15 |
schestowitz | _goblin: tuxmachines, right? | Aug 10 20:19 |
schestowitz | I saw it there | Aug 10 20:20 |
schestowitz | _goblin: audiocast coming? | Aug 10 20:20 |
schestowitz | It would be good to have more Brit ones, I'd listen. LXF has one | Aug 10 20:20 |
schestowitz | When will <video> be seen as OK by validators? http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http%3A%2F%2Fboycottnovell.com%2F%3Fstories&charset=%28detect+automatically%29&doctype=Inline&group=0&user-agent=W3C_Validator%2F1.654 | Aug 10 20:26 |
_goblin | sorry afk there | Aug 10 20:28 |
_goblin | nope it was distro watch | Aug 10 20:28 |
_goblin | tuxmachines hits total at about 100 per day (when an article in highlighted) | Aug 10 20:29 |
_goblin | *is | Aug 10 20:29 |
_goblin | distrowatch ones get atleast 700 | Aug 10 20:29 |
_goblin | lxer is around 50 | Aug 10 20:30 |
_goblin | Podcast is coming.... | Aug 10 20:30 |
_goblin | its slightly different to any of the others....think FOSS phonejacker.....Mr No nothing phones computer vendors with questions about Linux.....the answers are somewhat unique.... | Aug 10 20:31 |
_goblin | *Know Nothing | Aug 10 20:31 |
_goblin | and a few interviews....think George Galloway style..... | Aug 10 20:32 |
_goblin | wow... | Aug 10 20:38 |
schestowitz | Lxer really became weak | Aug 10 20:39 |
schestowitz | They link to many howtos, which are of no use to me | Aug 10 20:39 |
_goblin | just been ranked 58 on Wordpress's top posts of the day.... | Aug 10 20:39 |
schestowitz | _goblin: you should have Galloway on the show | Aug 10 20:39 |
schestowitz | He's use Exherbo | Aug 10 20:39 |
schestowitz | *he'd | Aug 10 20:39 |
_goblin | love to...I am a big supporter of his.... | Aug 10 20:39 |
_goblin | not so much all he says, but how he does it. | Aug 10 20:40 |
schestowitz | I remember reverend Ted mailing me cause he made #1 in WordPress | Aug 10 20:40 |
schestowitz | It was after I submitted something to Digg and it made FP | Aug 10 20:40 |
_goblin | just need to get other contributors... | Aug 10 20:40 |
schestowitz | That's how I met Ted, who worked for Novell at the time | Aug 10 20:40 |
schestowitz | _goblin: maybe I can help | Aug 10 20:41 |
schestowitz | Though I haven't voice for casting | Aug 10 20:41 |
_goblin | cool.. | Aug 10 20:41 |
schestowitz | Leo Laprte has a goods voice | Aug 10 20:41 |
schestowitz | *Lapote | Aug 10 20:41 |
_goblin | I would more like distro reviewers/articles...... | Aug 10 20:41 |
_goblin | the podcast is my forte. | Aug 10 20:41 |
schestowitz | http://live.twit.tv/ | Aug 10 20:41 |
_goblin | I have several "voices" from old man, to cockney rebel to upperclass gentleman. | Aug 10 20:42 |
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_goblin | Oh and Sandhurst high ranker! | Aug 10 20:42 |
_goblin | the podcast, is hopefully a little humour at the expense of salesreps and FUD. | Aug 10 20:43 |
_goblin | btw did you know that FOSS is meant for developing nations only? - Thats what one rep told me... | Aug 10 20:43 |
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Wordpress has ranked my blog 58th on Posts of the day! | Aug 10 20:51 | |
schestowitz | _goblin: yes, such a *cast would be good | Aug 10 20:51 |
schestowitz | There's not even one that's 'political' in nature. Even the SFLC podcast is sort of legal-oriented | Aug 10 20:52 |
_Hicham_ | FOSS for developing nations ? hahahahaha | Aug 10 20:52 |
schestowitz | People are shy to talk about issues of particular nature | Aug 10 20:52 |
trmanco | http://www.h-online.com/security/Vulnerability-affects-all-major-browsers--/news/113965 | Aug 10 20:55 |
trmanco | "A security advisory from SecurityFocus, modified a few days ago, now cites Chrome, Opera, Safari and Internet Explorer as being affected." | Aug 10 20:55 |
trmanco | hahah | Aug 10 20:55 |
trmanco | Firefox isn't | Aug 10 20:55 |
trmanco | it's been fixed | Aug 10 20:55 |
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_goblin | I must admit to moving away from FF now....I | Aug 10 20:58 |
_goblin | Dillo, Chromium offer far better performance (on my machine) | Aug 10 20:58 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] Vulnerability affects all major browsers: http://is.gd/2aQ8o "...Chrome, Opera, Safari and Internet Explorer as being affected" @ovigia | Aug 10 20:58 | |
trmanco | it does | Aug 10 20:58 |
trmanco | but performance isn't everything | Aug 10 20:58 |
_goblin | agreed....but simple things like Java input boxes feel slugish and "Vistaish" on FF | Aug 10 20:59 |
_goblin | I feel really bad saying that..... | Aug 10 20:59 |
_goblin | Been a champion of FF for many years. | Aug 10 21:00 |
_goblin | and it is still great.... | Aug 10 21:00 |
_goblin | Very impressed with Dillo | Aug 10 21:00 |
_goblin | a few formatting issues, but VERY fast. | Aug 10 21:01 |
schestowitz | brb | Aug 10 21:02 |
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MinceR | schestowitz: if i install Mandriva Free, how difficult will it be to install the extra codecs on it (the ones One comes with)? i'm looking at x86-64. | Aug 10 21:21 |
_Hicham_ | MinceR : not difficult at all, there is codeina | Aug 10 21:22 |
_Hicham_ | why not Mandriva One MinceR ? | Aug 10 21:22 |
MinceR | because that doesn't seem to have an x86-64 version at all | Aug 10 21:23 |
MinceR | (tell me if i'm wrong) | Aug 10 21:23 |
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MinceR | then again, the extra stuff might simply not support x86-64 at all | Aug 10 21:24 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] Jovens viajam «de borla» durante um dia: http://is.gd/2aRuT wohoo!! | Aug 10 21:25 | |
schestowitz | MinceR: just install kaffeine | Aug 10 21:26 |
schestowitz | It has all the goodies | Aug 10 21:27 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] DDoS is a Virus! http://ping.fm/3alXW | Aug 10 21:27 | |
schestowitz | [it's in the mand repos] | Aug 10 21:27 |
schestowitz | MinceR: or use PCLOS/Pardus | Aug 10 21:27 |
MinceR | also, what about the proprietary drivers? | Aug 10 21:27 |
MinceR | it would be nice to have the package manager manage them | Aug 10 21:27 |
schestowitz | Graphics drivers? | Aug 10 21:28 |
MinceR | nvidia graphics and intel wifi | Aug 10 21:28 |
MinceR | (afaik the latter needs some firmware -- at least i needed it on debian) | Aug 10 21:28 |
_Hicham_ | intel wifi doesn't need firmware on Mandriva | Aug 10 21:29 |
schestowitz | _goblin: how much RAM does Chrome take on a 'normal' session? | Aug 10 21:29 |
MinceR | not even 5100? | Aug 10 21:29 |
_Hicham_ | Chromium doesn't offer a GUI to handle cerificates till now I think | Aug 10 21:30 |
_Hicham_ | MinceR : why not use the i586 Mandriva One CD ? | Aug 10 21:31 |
MinceR | because then i can't exploit fully the capabilities of my CPU | Aug 10 21:31 |
MinceR | (Core 2 Duo) | Aug 10 21:31 |
MinceR | i was afraid of going x86-64, but i've heard it works fine and i haven't had any problems so far | Aug 10 21:32 |
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_Hicham_ | MinceR : how much RAM do you have ? | Aug 10 21:32 |
schestowitz | 'Young girl, "Good one, dad. Now tell her our name is LADEN and see what happens!"' http://scienceblogs.com/gregladen/2009/07/overheard_at_airport.php | Aug 10 21:33 |
MinceR | 4GB | Aug 10 21:33 |
_Hicham_ | then you need x86_64 | Aug 10 21:33 |
_Hicham_ | download the mandriva free dvd | Aug 10 21:33 |
_Hicham_ | you will find everything | Aug 10 21:33 |
MinceR | ok | Aug 10 21:33 |
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_Hicham_ | Mandriva have one of the largest repos in Linux | Aug 10 21:34 |
MinceR | thx | Aug 10 21:34 |
schestowitz | _Hicham_: what about Debian? | Aug 10 21:34 |
_Hicham_ | schestowitz : what do u mean ? | Aug 10 21:34 |
schestowitz | Internet.com Sold for $18 Million < http://www.webpronews.com/topnews/2009/08/10/internetcom-sold-for-18-million > | Aug 10 21:35 |
_Hicham_ | Debian supports all archs on earth | Aug 10 21:35 |
schestowitz | _Hicham_: big repos | Aug 10 21:35 |
_Hicham_ | schestowitz : yes, it has the biggest repo | Aug 10 21:35 |
_Hicham_ | i think that ubuntu now have the biggest | Aug 10 21:35 |
_goblin | schestowitz: Looking now | Aug 10 21:35 |
schestowitz | SUBWAY'S SPY CAMS TO SEE ALL < http://www.nypost.com/seven/07282009/news/regionalnews/subways_spy_cams_to_see_all_181730.htm > | Aug 10 21:35 |
_Hicham_ | _goblin : where is the big G ? | Aug 10 21:36 |
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schestowitz | "UN climate change deal needs more sacrifices by West, John Prescott warns" http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2009/aug/08/copenhagen-kyoto-climate-change-talks | Aug 10 21:36 |
_Hicham_ | MinceR : what graphics card do u have ? | Aug 10 21:36 |
_Goblin | schestowitz: 63meg with 2 tabs open | Aug 10 21:36 |
MinceR | _Hicham_: nvidia quadro fx 2700m | Aug 10 21:37 |
schestowitz | _Goblin: if you opened 20.../ | Aug 10 21:37 |
_Goblin | schestowitz: 1 tab has wordpress running....the other your site. | Aug 10 21:37 |
_Goblin | schestowitz: giving it a go.... | Aug 10 21:37 |
schestowitz | Firepig takes a lot more | Aug 10 21:37 |
schestowitz | I upgraded to 3.5, but it seems roughly on par | Aug 10 21:37 |
schestowitz | A lot of browsers are so greedy | Aug 10 21:38 |
schestowitz | Too much caching of pages | Aug 10 21:38 |
schestowitz | I don't need that excessive cashing. It lead to swap | Aug 10 21:38 |
schestowitz | I changed it in about:config but it seems to be overridden | Aug 10 21:39 |
schestowitz | "Iran trial hears 'apology' from UK embassy worker" http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/aug/08/british-embassy-worker-iran-trial | Aug 10 21:39 |
_Goblin | schestowitz: 430 meg....but they are all active web pages and not just "blank" ones | Aug 10 21:40 |
schestowitz | Bush is insane... http://www.secularhumanism.org/index.php?section=library&page=haught_29_5 citing apocalyptic stuff from the bible to invade Iraq | Aug 10 21:40 |
_Goblin | never tried that open pages.... | Aug 10 21:40 |
_Goblin | *many | Aug 10 21:40 |
_Goblin | schestowitz: the rig Im currently on is: 1.8ghz AMD 32bit.....2gig ram... | Aug 10 21:41 |
schestowitz | Hehe. "Vulture fund" http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/aug/09/congo | Aug 10 21:42 |
schestowitz | There's a lot of stuff that would not work without FF | Aug 10 21:43 |
schestowitz | I use 3 browsers at the same time. It's time for change. | Aug 10 21:43 |
schestowitz | I won't use Konq | Aug 10 21:43 |
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MinceR | why not konq? | Aug 10 21:44 |
schestowitz | MinceR: 3rd browser, too much RAM | Aug 10 21:44 |
_Goblin | Dillo is good. | Aug 10 21:44 |
schestowitz | I don't like the name | Aug 10 21:45 |
_Goblin | ;) I think I get your drift.... | Aug 10 21:45 |
schestowitz | The last thing you wanna say is that "you're using dillo" | Aug 10 21:45 |
trmanco | http://www.firefoxfacts.com/2009/08/10/techcrunch-crashes-firefox-3-5-i-ask-who-cares/ | Aug 10 21:45 |
_Goblin | lol | Aug 10 21:46 |
_Goblin | thanks...now I'll think of that everytime I say it. | Aug 10 21:46 |
schestowitz | trmanco: it nags more than 3.0 | Aug 10 21:46 |
schestowitz | It should just restore | Aug 10 21:46 |
trmanco | nag? | Aug 10 21:46 |
schestowitz | Sort of | Aug 10 21:46 |
MinceR | browsers crashing isn't that new | Aug 10 21:46 |
schestowitz | In FF 2.0 I had a good session manager | Aug 10 21:46 |
schestowitz | It's no longer compatible | Aug 10 21:46 |
schestowitz | Went down the bin bucket | Aug 10 21:46 |
schestowitz | It could save multiple sessions and restore from them | Aug 10 21:47 |
schestowitz | So I'd have sessions with many tabs for blogging or whatever | Aug 10 21:47 |
MinceR | stuff like that make me want to go back to opera :> | Aug 10 21:47 |
_Hicham_ | MinceR : Opera? | Aug 10 21:48 |
MinceR | yes, the browser they've named an art form after :> | Aug 10 21:49 |
wallclimber | lol...I just saw the golden chairlet award | Aug 10 21:49 |
wallclimber | on BN | Aug 10 21:50 |
wallclimber | I'm laughing | Aug 10 21:50 |
_Hicham_ | I won't go on a closed source browser | Aug 10 21:50 |
_Hicham_ | ever | Aug 10 21:50 |
schestowitz | I'll do an iframe.. | Aug 10 21:50 |
trmanco | it's qt | Aug 10 21:51 |
trmanco | good for kde | Aug 10 21:51 |
MinceR | _Hicham_: i'd be choosy too if not all browsers sucked :> | Aug 10 21:51 |
trmanco | at least it doesn't try to break th web | Aug 10 21:51 |
_Hicham_ | I love FF, never had a problem with it since the official 3.5 release | Aug 10 21:51 |
_Hicham_ | no crashes at all | Aug 10 21:52 |
_Hicham_ | never crashed for me | Aug 10 21:52 |
MinceR | i haven't used 3.5 much yet | Aug 10 21:52 |
_Hicham_ | MinceR : what are u using ? | Aug 10 21:52 |
_Hicham_ | Mozilla builds do crash for me on flash | Aug 10 21:52 |
MinceR | i'm on iceweasel 3.0.6 at the moment | Aug 10 21:52 |
MinceR | i'll have to figure out how to install ff 3.5 into stow | Aug 10 21:53 |
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MinceR | i don't want to mess up this system :) | Aug 10 21:53 |
_Hicham_ | Mandriva doesn't have Firefox 3.5 yet | Aug 10 21:55 |
MinceR | then i'll have to do the same there, too | Aug 10 21:55 |
MinceR | where's the golden chairlet award? | Aug 10 21:55 |
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_Hicham_ | MinceR : you can compile you own Firefox, or just pick mozilla builds | Aug 10 21:56 |
_Goblin | _Hicham_ in the latest build of FF, Ive found a crashing bug on fullscreen flash...didnt happen with previous builds. | Aug 10 21:57 |
MinceR | i suspect i'll have to compile -- i'm not sure if stow will work otherwise. but i'll see. | Aug 10 21:57 |
_Hicham_ | _Goblin : on which site ? | Aug 10 21:57 |
_Goblin | Youtube....and don't laugh.....WWE.com | Aug 10 21:57 |
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_Goblin | and for the MS faithful who will no doubt hold that against me....Yes I am a wrestling fan. | Aug 10 21:58 |
DaemonFC | I set up a pair of spike strips out in my driveway | Aug 10 21:58 |
DaemonFC | next person that comes flying through there using it as a turnaround is getting all four tires blown out | Aug 10 21:59 |
_Goblin | DaemonFC what country are you from? | Aug 10 21:59 |
DaemonFC | USA | Aug 10 21:59 |
_Goblin | ah | Aug 10 21:59 |
_Goblin | ok | Aug 10 21:59 |
_Goblin | in the UK you are responsible for person(s)/property that are lawfully or unlawfully on yours. | Aug 10 22:00 |
DaemonFC | not here | Aug 10 22:00 |
DaemonFC | they come onto your property at their own risk | Aug 10 22:00 |
_Goblin | so what about public places? | Aug 10 22:00 |
trmanco | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2004/10/22/security_report_windows_vs_linux/ | Aug 10 22:00 |
DaemonFC | unless you shoot them or something, then you should say "I felt physically threatened | Aug 10 22:01 |
_Goblin | i.e shops? | Aug 10 22:01 |
DaemonFC | "I thought they had a gun/knife/really big stick" | Aug 10 22:01 |
MinceR | "It's coming right for us!" | Aug 10 22:01 |
_Goblin | lol | Aug 10 22:01 |
DaemonFC | you have a right to defend yourself | Aug 10 22:01 |
_Goblin | I was just thinking that | Aug 10 22:01 |
_Goblin | Southpark! | Aug 10 22:01 |
_Hicham_ | _Goblin : are u a good wrestler ? | Aug 10 22:01 |
DaemonFC | but you have to be threatened | Aug 10 22:01 |
MinceR | i'm threatened by exhaustion of oxygen supply | Aug 10 22:02 |
_Goblin | _Hicham_ : LOL. No, I watch it, not participate in it! | Aug 10 22:02 |
DaemonFC | like if you were coming at me with a knife and I have good reason to think you'll harm me with it, I have a legal right to shoot you and kill you | Aug 10 22:02 |
MinceR | see, they're using it up as we speak | Aug 10 22:02 |
MinceR | ;) | Aug 10 22:02 |
DaemonFC | if someone is in your house and you decide to shoot them, you should shoot to kill | Aug 10 22:03 |
DaemonFC | then it's your word vs. the corpse | Aug 10 22:03 |
MinceR | indeed | Aug 10 22:03 |
_Goblin | DaemonFC: Unless you miss and they get you. | Aug 10 22:03 |
MinceR | don't miss | Aug 10 22:03 |
MinceR | use a machine gun ;) | Aug 10 22:03 |
DaemonFC | it's not much harder to shoot twice than once | Aug 10 22:03 |
DaemonFC | :) | Aug 10 22:03 |
MinceR | full auto, that is | Aug 10 22:03 |
DaemonFC | full auto is illegal | Aug 10 22:04 |
DaemonFC | federal felony | Aug 10 22:04 |
MinceR | a pity | Aug 10 22:04 |
MinceR | then again, you're better off gunwise than most countries | Aug 10 22:04 |
DaemonFC | you can have pretty much anything semi-automatic | Aug 10 22:04 |
DaemonFC | as long as it's not a sawn off shotgun | Aug 10 22:04 |
_Goblin | I wouldnt need a firearm....I have: http://www.twitpic.com/1oyeq | Aug 10 22:04 |
MinceR | then again, i was considering that (at least here) legally railguns/coilguns aren't firearms :> | Aug 10 22:05 |
_Hicham_ | only cowards use firearms | Aug 10 22:05 |
Diablo-D3 | http://vimeo.com/5981422?hd=1 | Aug 10 22:05 |
DaemonFC | there's a civilian version of the M-16 | Aug 10 22:05 |
MinceR | i hate dogs | Aug 10 22:05 |
DaemonFC | it's called the AR-15 | Aug 10 22:05 |
_Goblin | he looks the part but is soft as anything. | Aug 10 22:05 |
DaemonFC | those are kind of neat | Aug 10 22:05 |
DaemonFC | they can use M-16 parts including firing pin and selector switch | Aug 10 22:06 |
Diablo-D3 | DaemonFC: wrong | Aug 10 22:06 |
Diablo-D3 | please get it right. | Aug 10 22:06 |
DaemonFC | but it's illegal to have any M-16 parts on them even if it's not converting it to do anything the AR-15 can't | Aug 10 22:06 |
DaemonFC | the Armalite website says that | Aug 10 22:06 |
Diablo-D3 | the armalite 15 was the original model | Aug 10 22:06 |
schestowitz | I wonder if Henry Kingman became a marketing person for Intel... http://moblinzone.com/blog/343/37/ARM_netbook_conscripting_Moblin_technology? | Aug 10 22:06 |
DaemonFC | so I'm pretty sure I'm right | Aug 10 22:06 |
Diablo-D3 | the m16 was the military standardized version based on the ar15 | Aug 10 22:06 |
Diablo-D3 | DaemonFC: eugene stoner would kick your ass if he was still alive | Aug 10 22:07 |
Diablo-D3 | DaemonFC: not only that, quit talking out your ass | Aug 10 22:07 |
_Goblin | Im a big fan of the Super Soaker....I armed the kids with them this year....big mistake. | Aug 10 22:07 |
Diablo-D3 | there is no such thing as "m16 parts" | Aug 10 22:08 |
_Goblin | no parts for the M16 (whatever that is) | Aug 10 22:08 |
_Goblin | oh hang on...I see. | Aug 10 22:08 |
Diablo-D3 | _Goblin: hes ignoring the entire 1994 assault weapons ban | Aug 10 22:09 |
_Goblin | ah..... | Aug 10 22:09 |
Diablo-D3 | hes also ignoring the m4 (the other standardized weapons platform based on the ar15) | Aug 10 22:09 |
_Goblin | Much simpler here in the UK..... | Aug 10 22:10 |
Diablo-D3 | not only that, many m16s do not have full auto | Aug 10 22:10 |
Diablo-D3 | its a waste of ammo | Aug 10 22:10 |
_Goblin | "lethally barrelled weapon" - makes it a firearm. | Aug 10 22:10 |
Diablo-D3 | _Goblin: the assault weapons ban doesnt work | Aug 10 22:10 |
_Goblin | and an offence (w.o license | Aug 10 22:10 |
Diablo-D3 | it lists specific features that have nothing to do with anything | Aug 10 22:10 |
Diablo-D3 | not only that, it calls rifles "assault rifles" | Aug 10 22:11 |
Diablo-D3 | there is no such classification | Aug 10 22:11 |
_Goblin | the only exception (of sorts) is a Sec5 Firearm which would be CS spray.....that also is illegal for MOP's | Aug 10 22:11 |
DaemonFC | I know, they converted them to three round burst because of people getting trigger happy and spraying down anything that moved | Aug 10 22:12 |
DaemonFC | not hitting anything but trees :P | Aug 10 22:12 |
Diablo-D3 | DaemonFC: not at all | Aug 10 22:12 |
Diablo-D3 | many M4s retain them | Aug 10 22:12 |
Diablo-D3 | M16s are not suited for the assault role | Aug 10 22:12 |
DaemonFC | more suitable than an AK-47 | Aug 10 22:13 |
DaemonFC | but so is everything | Aug 10 22:13 |
Diablo-D3 | DaemonFC: bullshit | Aug 10 22:13 |
_Goblin | "you'll never get to heaven with an AK47...." | Aug 10 22:13 |
Diablo-D3 | the ak47 is the best rifle design ever | Aug 10 22:13 |
DaemonFC | the AK-47 is wildly inaccurate | Aug 10 22:14 |
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Diablo-D3 | have you ever seen the direct impingement gas valve on ar15s? | Aug 10 22:14 |
Diablo-D3 | its fucking shit | Aug 10 22:14 |
DaemonFC | can't even hit the same place three times with the gun bolted onto something | Aug 10 22:14 |
Diablo-D3 | it sucks in dirt, it sucks in mud, it sucks in water | Aug 10 22:14 |
Diablo-D3 | DaemonFC: thats bullshit | Aug 10 22:14 |
Diablo-D3 | quit using cheap chinese knockoffs | Aug 10 22:14 |
Diablo-D3 | an ak47 is just as accurate as any other rifle | Aug 10 22:14 |
DaemonFC | the AK-47 is a weapon of terror, it's meant to intimidate | Aug 10 22:14 |
DaemonFC | the M-16 is a weapon of war, it is meant to kill the enemy | Aug 10 22:15 |
Diablo-D3 | are you nuts? | Aug 10 22:15 |
MinceR | i thought that was the Death Star. | Aug 10 22:15 |
Diablo-D3 | the ak47 is a "weapon of war" | Aug 10 22:15 |
DaemonFC | the Russian military has never put much value in a single unit or a single soldier | Aug 10 22:15 |
Diablo-D3 | kalashnikov would kick your ass if he was still alive | Aug 10 22:15 |
Diablo-D3 | DaemonFC: dude, you're a fucktard | Aug 10 22:15 |
Diablo-D3 | the ak47 is perfect | Aug 10 22:15 |
DaemonFC | their military doctrine is throw a lot of guys out there armed with passable weapons | Aug 10 22:15 |
Diablo-D3 | you can drop it, you can bang it into shit, you can drop it in water, and it still fires as if was new | Aug 10 22:16 |
Diablo-D3 | you can also field strip most models | Aug 10 22:16 |
Diablo-D3 | the rotating bolt design is fucking perfect | Aug 10 22:16 |
Diablo-D3 | its simple yet robust | Aug 10 22:16 |
DaemonFC | anyhow, they never even would have gotten a jet-powered fighter without reverse engineering a British engine that was given to them | Aug 10 22:16 |
_Hicham_ | is this a war zone ? | Aug 10 22:16 |
*schestowitz wonders how a channel on computers turned to a firearms forum | Aug 10 22:16 | |
DaemonFC | well, not for at least another 10 years | Aug 10 22:16 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] Microsoft's Bing invaded by pharmaceutical scammers: http://is.gd/2aU99 | Aug 10 22:17 | |
Diablo-D3 | _Hicham_: no, its just DaemonFC being clueless | Aug 10 22:17 |
Diablo-D3 | if I was building an army, I sure as hell wouldnt use that ar15 shit | Aug 10 22:17 |
schestowitz | trmanco: now, if only people actually used Bong... | Aug 10 22:17 |
DaemonFC | It wouldn't be so easy for pharmaceutical scam sites to do business if the real medicine wasn't $400 a bottle | Aug 10 22:17 |
trmanco | $400 | Aug 10 22:17 |
DaemonFC | if the government was worried about protecting us, they'd regulate the real guys a bit more | Aug 10 22:17 |
trmanco | wow | Aug 10 22:18 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] Microsoft vs. Linux: If You Can't Beat 'Em, Join 'Em?: http://is.gd/2aUae | Aug 10 22:18 | |
schestowitz | "A new, more accessible Microsoft" | Aug 10 22:18 |
DaemonFC | tramco: for a drug that doesn't have generic counterparts, $300-$400 a bottle can be quite common | Aug 10 22:18 |
schestowitz | trmanco: why do you peddle thos? | Aug 10 22:18 |
MinceR | accessible via tanks? :> | Aug 10 22:18 |
tacone | accessible ? | Aug 10 22:18 |
schestowitz | Microsoft violated the GPL in attempt to divide the community | Aug 10 22:18 |
schestowitz | Ballnux vs the rest | Aug 10 22:18 |
schestowitz | They blew it and were going to be sued | Aug 10 22:19 |
tacone | any of you can become the ceo of microsoft. this is america ! | Aug 10 22:19 |
schestowitz | So they put the Trojan in all distros | Aug 10 22:19 |
DaemonFC | drug companies have gotten around regulation by putting in programs they don't advertise to "assist" you if you can't buy their drugs | Aug 10 22:19 |
Diablo-D3 | DaemonFC: I mean, shit dude | Aug 10 22:19 |
Diablo-D3 | you love your ar15 so much? | Aug 10 22:19 |
DaemonFC | you have to send them very invasive forms about your financial condition | Aug 10 22:19 |
Diablo-D3 | buy a hk416 | Aug 10 22:19 |
DaemonFC | then they decide whether they will help you :) | Aug 10 22:19 |
trmanco | schestowitz, they won't | Aug 10 22:19 |
Diablo-D3 | its a new upper that fits on any m4 lower | Aug 10 22:19 |
Diablo-D3 | (most generically ar16 lowers) | Aug 10 22:20 |
Diablo-D3 | er ar15 | Aug 10 22:20 |
DaemonFC | the most horrible thing I've ever heard Bill Gates say was when he said the drug patent system in place was perfectly alright | Aug 10 22:20 |
schestowitz | trmanco: they already did, wgetted into /dev/null/progra~1 | Aug 10 22:20 |
DaemonFC | well, the most deeply offensive anyway | Aug 10 22:20 |
schestowitz | Fine form him | Aug 10 22:21 |
schestowitz | Perfect for him | Aug 10 22:21 |
schestowitz | He invests literally billions in the pharma cartel | Aug 10 22:21 |
schestowitz | He then promotes its drugs | Aug 10 22:21 |
Diablo-D3 | it uses the g36 shitproof rotating bolt design, similar to an ak design | Aug 10 22:21 |
MinceR | m$ have bought their way into the leadership of linux | Aug 10 22:21 |
schestowitz | Making people more dependent on those | Aug 10 22:21 |
DaemonFC | I think that's the only thing he's said where I would have punched him in the face if he said it to me | Aug 10 22:21 |
DaemonFC | :P | Aug 10 22:21 |
Diablo-D3 | schestowitz: ban DaemonFC already | Aug 10 22:22 |
schestowitz | He makes threats of violence | Aug 10 22:22 |
schestowitz | He was warned about it | Aug 10 22:22 |
DaemonFC | most of the scammers for pharma are based in Canada where their government won't do anything about it, and when they do, ten more crop up | Aug 10 22:23 |
DaemonFC | they turn around and don't look because it's bringing money in | Aug 10 22:23 |
DaemonFC | while they sell us expired drugs | Aug 10 22:23 |
DaemonFC | officially they want to "find them and shut them down", unofficially they don't care | Aug 10 22:24 |
DaemonFC | we should like play musical chairs though, let Canada border Mexico for a while | Aug 10 22:25 |
DaemonFC | that could get amusing | Aug 10 22:25 |
MinceR | remove USA from the map? sounds good to me | Aug 10 22:26 |
schestowitz | DaemonFC: proof please | Aug 10 22:26 |
DaemonFC | of course it would | Aug 10 22:26 |
schestowitz | You're stating this as though it's afact | Aug 10 22:26 |
DaemonFC | http://www.google.com/search?q=canadian+pharmacy&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a | Aug 10 22:26 |
schestowitz | Like Alex Jones stating that gun crime in London is worse than the US or somehting | Aug 10 22:26 |
DaemonFC | there you go | Aug 10 22:27 |
DaemonFC | that's a brainer man | Aug 10 22:27 |
schestowitz | DaemonFC is the Alex Jones of the Lindows world | Aug 10 22:27 |
schestowitz | DaemonFC: that's a SERP | Aug 10 22:27 |
schestowitz | It's not factual, still | Aug 10 22:27 |
MinceR | that's Linspire now :> | Aug 10 22:27 |
MinceR | or more accurately, Microsoft Linux, Xandros edition | Aug 10 22:27 |
schestowitz | BTW, is it state-wide the age restriction for alcohol at 21? | Aug 10 22:28 |
DaemonFC | it's so much easier to bitch about America than build your own country | Aug 10 22:28 |
DaemonFC | you want us here because we're an excuse for your failure | Aug 10 22:28 |
schestowitz | USA - where you can get a driver's licence at 14 (in few states IIRC) and can't drink until 21 | Aug 10 22:28 |
DaemonFC | you cannot get a license til 16 | Aug 10 22:28 |
DaemonFC | in any state | Aug 10 22:28 |
MinceR | DaemonFC: how many countries have you built so far? | Aug 10 22:29 |
MinceR | personally | Aug 10 22:29 |
DaemonFC | learner's permit at 15 | Aug 10 22:29 |
schestowitz | BTW, I have family there. | Aug 10 22:29 |
schestowitz | I love the US | Aug 10 22:29 |
schestowitz | Just not the government, which still smells like GWB | Aug 10 22:29 |
DaemonFC | you know that there's a number of reasons we got that guy | Aug 10 22:29 |
DaemonFC | and none of them involve a voter mandate | Aug 10 22:29 |
schestowitz | DaemonFC: back in ICQ days I think someone told me it was 15 in some state...? | Aug 10 22:29 |
schestowitz | Or maybe my cousin told me... can't recall | Aug 10 22:30 |
schestowitz | And you do only automatic gear | Aug 10 22:30 |
DaemonFC | schestowitz: I've never heard of it being lower than 16 | Aug 10 22:30 |
DaemonFC | tobacco sales are 19 in Alabama | Aug 10 22:30 |
schestowitz | I drove in Florida around that age | Aug 10 22:30 |
DaemonFC | 18 in the other 49 | Aug 10 22:30 |
DaemonFC | 21 in all states for alcohol | Aug 10 22:30 |
schestowitz | What's the age for driving licence in Alabama? | Aug 10 22:30 |
DaemonFC | 16 | Aug 10 22:31 |
schestowitz | That's the state I had in mind when I wrote this | Aug 10 22:31 |
DaemonFC | the southern states all tend to have lower age of consent laws too | Aug 10 22:31 |
MinceR | DaemonFC: if you've built 0 countries so far, kindly shut up | Aug 10 22:31 |
DaemonFC | go figure | Aug 10 22:31 |
schestowitz | I bet no-one there obeys the rules anyway | Aug 10 22:31 |
schestowitz | Like expecting freshers not to drink | Aug 10 22:31 |
DaemonFC | you can operate a vehicle on private property at any age, license or none | Aug 10 22:32 |
schestowitz | Recipe for disaster | Aug 10 22:32 |
schestowitz | Maggie Simspon... peep peep! [theme song] | Aug 10 22:32 |
DaemonFC | to take it on public roads you have to have it titles, and a valid non-expired plate, drivers license, and at least Property Damage and Bodily Injury insurance coverage | Aug 10 22:33 |
DaemonFC | *titled | Aug 10 22:33 |
schestowitz | Well, rifles are also allowed there in private terrotory | Aug 10 22:33 |
*Muttley has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) | Aug 10 22:33 | |
schestowitz | "Ya get offfa my lawn of I blow yaz off" | Aug 10 22:33 |
schestowitz | So goes the stereotype anyway.. | Aug 10 22:33 |
DaemonFC | I had my Bodily Injury premiums go up a couple years ago cause I was coming down a hill and some stupid asshole with his ipod set to freight train volume was jogging across an intersection out on a country road | Aug 10 22:34 |
DaemonFC | amazingly he went flying over my hood, got a bruise and a couple scratches | Aug 10 22:34 |
DaemonFC | still didn't stop the hospital from getting $5,000 and him getting another $20,000 | Aug 10 22:34 |
DaemonFC | I couldn't stop because the road was basically unimproved and when I hit the brakes it just made me slide instead of stopping | Aug 10 22:35 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Verona's University Migrates 4000 PCs to Linux http://ping.fm/OdvZx | Aug 10 22:36 | |
DaemonFC | anyway, I could hear the guy singing on his ipod which landed 20 feet from my car | Aug 10 22:36 |
DaemonFC | so what does that say about how much attention he was paying? | Aug 10 22:36 |
MinceR | what does it matter? he's probably a crApple fanboy anyway | Aug 10 22:37 |
MinceR | no amount of attention helps the RDF-clouded mind :> | Aug 10 22:37 |
*DaemonFC waves his hand. " I didn't hit you, this is not the lawsuit you're looking for, move along" | Aug 10 22:37 | |
DaemonFC | :D | Aug 10 22:37 |
MinceR | :) | Aug 10 22:38 |
DaemonFC | "Here's $50, buy yourself a decent MP3 player" | Aug 10 22:38 |
DaemonFC | hehe | Aug 10 22:38 |
DaemonFC | You know, those Chinese iPod knockoffs on ebay that they sell for like 10% the cost actually work better | Aug 10 22:40 |
DaemonFC | I got kind of a kick from that | Aug 10 22:40 |
_Hicham_ | A Vorbis Player plz | Aug 10 22:40 |
DaemonFC | they do play Vorbis | Aug 10 22:40 |
_Hicham_ | no patent encumbered tech in here | Aug 10 22:40 |
DaemonFC | and pretty much every other format | Aug 10 22:40 |
schestowitz | Quick List of Things To Do After Installing Ubuntu < http://ubuntumanual.org/posts/181/quick-list-of-things-to-do-after-installing-ubuntu > | Aug 10 22:41 |
DaemonFC | the Chinese aren't going to bother paying for patent licenses, probably some of the reason those knockoffs are so cheap | Aug 10 22:41 |
schestowitz | MinceR: are you getting the rig loaded with a Mandriva? | Aug 10 22:41 |
MinceR | i'm planning to try it on an external hdd | Aug 10 22:41 |
_Hicham_ | so if Chinese people abondon mp3 and use Vorbis, mp3 will be lost for ever | Aug 10 22:41 |
DaemonFC | schestowitz: The Mandriva Flash that lets you install the setup you've made on the thumbdrive to the hard disk | Aug 10 22:42 |
schestowitz | KDE version? | Aug 10 22:42 |
DaemonFC | now that's cool | Aug 10 22:42 |
DaemonFC | _Hicham_: MP3 and Vorbis are both really on borrowed time, I think in 5 years, it'll all be FLAC | Aug 10 22:42 |
_Hicham_ | MinceR : why not on ur hdd? | Aug 10 22:42 |
MinceR | because there's no space for it | Aug 10 22:42 |
_Hicham_ | DaemonFC : no, FLAC will never be an option | Aug 10 22:42 |
schestowitz | in 5 years, mp3 patents expire | Aug 10 22:42 |
MinceR | _Hicham_: it already is :> | Aug 10 22:43 |
DaemonFC | MP3 isn't a bad format, it just wasn't made with the dynamic compression jacking that modern CDs abuse | Aug 10 22:43 |
DaemonFC | :P | Aug 10 22:43 |
MinceR | _Hicham_: also, storage capacities keep growing | Aug 10 22:43 |
DaemonFC | AAC and Vorbis handle that better | Aug 10 22:43 |
_Hicham_ | MinceR : Flac is just like wav | Aug 10 22:43 |
MinceR | in that it's lossless, yes | Aug 10 22:43 |
DaemonFC | FLAC is just a lossless-compressed WAV file, exactly | Aug 10 22:43 |
*schestowitz doesn't mind lossiness | Aug 10 22:44 | |
_Hicham_ | and achieve small compression | Aug 10 22:44 |
MinceR | so? | Aug 10 22:44 |
MinceR | 000438 < MinceR> _Hicham_: also, storage capacities keep growing | Aug 10 22:44 |
DaemonFC | decompress it and the WAV is a perfect match, right down to CRC, MD5, SHA1, whatever | Aug 10 22:44 |
schestowitz | Life is lossy. Get over it. :-p | Aug 10 22:44 |
MinceR | life might be lossy, but music reproduction doesn't have to be. | Aug 10 22:44 |
_Hicham_ | yes, that is the second principle of thermodynamics | Aug 10 22:44 |
schestowitz | People who pay too much attention to details never get much done | Aug 10 22:44 |
_Hicham_ | if anyone here is into physics | Aug 10 22:45 |
MinceR | and no, that's not the second principle of thermodynamics | Aug 10 22:45 |
DaemonFC | the problem with a lot of compression formats is that if a bit gets corrupted, you lose everything, but FLAC is at least as error-tolerant as a WAV file | Aug 10 22:45 |
schestowitz | MinceR: it is | Aug 10 22:45 |
DaemonFC | so it's fairly safe to use | Aug 10 22:45 |
schestowitz | Your microphone has loss | Aug 10 22:45 |
_Hicham_ | MinceR : what is the second principle of thermodynamics ? | Aug 10 22:45 |
MinceR | the entropy of the universe always increases | Aug 10 22:45 |
_Hicham_ | and that means ? | Aug 10 22:45 |
schestowitz | Well, it expands | Aug 10 22:45 |
DaemonFC | a lot of digital broadcast systems actually use MP2 because it's more fault tolerant than MP3 | Aug 10 22:46 |
MinceR | nothing regarding music storage. :> | Aug 10 22:46 |
DaemonFC | MP1 has been dead for a long long time | Aug 10 22:46 |
schestowitz | And it might implode | Aug 10 22:46 |
schestowitz | The theory goes to explain that there may have been a universe before this universe | Aug 10 22:46 |
_Hicham_ | MinceR : what is the meaning of this principle ? | Aug 10 22:46 |
schestowitz | Because gravity at some stage is not sufficient | Aug 10 22:46 |
MinceR | _Hicham_: that if things keep going as they do, the universe will eventually cease to be able to changed, and probably to hold information. | Aug 10 22:47 |
DaemonFC | I don't believe in gravity, I believe in Intelligent Falling | Aug 10 22:47 |
MinceR | _Hicham_: how many billion years do you plan on living? | Aug 10 22:47 |
DaemonFC | :D | Aug 10 22:47 |
schestowitz | DaemonFC: it's not about belief, or faith | Aug 10 22:47 |
MinceR | i don't believe in light sources, i believe in Dark Suckers | Aug 10 22:47 |
schestowitz | MinceR: we'll be lucky to make thousands of years | Aug 10 22:47 |
_Hicham_ | MinceR : the meaning of this principle is that there is no reversible transformations in the universe | Aug 10 22:48 |
MinceR | damn, Roger M. Wilcox's site is over quota | Aug 10 22:48 |
DaemonFC | hmmm, the pattern file updates for MSE are getting bigger and bigger every day | Aug 10 22:48 |
DaemonFC | it's like evolution right before my eyes | Aug 10 22:48 |
MinceR | so i can't show you his Dark Sucker Theory. | Aug 10 22:48 |
schestowitz | MinceR: dark holes? Black holes? | Aug 10 22:48 |
DaemonFC | maybe I should kill it before it develops language skills | Aug 10 22:48 |
schestowitz | Anfd the warp/worms theories? | Aug 10 22:48 |
schestowitz | More like fantasies. | Aug 10 22:48 |
MinceR | _Hicham_: that is, if you can't apply energy to them. | Aug 10 22:48 |
_Goblin | schestowitz: Since time does not really exist and the creation of the universe is a set of random occurrances....I think its entirely possible that there have been many universes.......if something has no beginning (before creation) then it would be highly improbable to believe that this is the only time the universe has existed. | Aug 10 22:48 |
_Hicham_ | that is Steven Hawkins | Aug 10 22:48 |
_Hicham_ | Steven Hawkins from schestowitz country | Aug 10 22:49 |
schestowitz | _Goblin: there may also be invisible dimensions | Aug 10 22:49 |
_Hicham_ | he is famous for his work on black holes | Aug 10 22:49 |
MinceR | _Hicham_: if storing music without data loss means causing entropy increase elsewhere, so be it :> | Aug 10 22:49 |
schestowitz | It's fascinating when even life itself gets sucked in (but where?) | Aug 10 22:49 |
_Goblin | Although I prefer the Red Dwarf theory....... Lister is god after creating the second big bang with jump leads from Starbug. | Aug 10 22:49 |
MinceR | with strange eons, even death may die | Aug 10 22:49 |
schestowitz | Because gravity is so great that it does that... so there are many unanswered questions | Aug 10 22:49 |
_Hicham_ | MinceR : you forgot one thing, FLAC uses more CPU than Vorbis | Aug 10 22:50 |
schestowitz | Othewr universes can have different laws of nature | Aug 10 22:50 |
MinceR | _Hicham_: so what? | Aug 10 22:50 |
schestowitz | Many different chemical elements | Aug 10 22:50 |
MinceR | _Hicham_: vorbis and mp3 both use more cpu than wav. use wav. | Aug 10 22:50 |
DaemonFC | FLAC does not use more CPU than Vorbis | Aug 10 22:50 |
DaemonFC | it uses far less | Aug 10 22:50 |
schestowitz | 99% is helium and carbon IIRC | Aug 10 22:50 |
_Goblin | There may be some weird dimension where Vista was actually good.... | Aug 10 22:50 |
DaemonFC | it does need more memory to decompress | Aug 10 22:50 |
DaemonFC | but that's trivial | Aug 10 22:50 |
_Hicham_ | schestowitz : most of the universe if dark matter | Aug 10 22:51 |
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_Hicham_ | dark matter is not made of chemical elements in periodical table ( aka Mendeleiv Table ) | Aug 10 22:51 |
schestowitz | Most of the brain is grey matter, IIRC. Water.. | Aug 10 22:51 |
DaemonFC | the compression scale on FLAC doesn't really affect CPU usage for decompression | Aug 10 22:52 |
_Hicham_ | here is Balrog the physicist | Aug 10 22:52 |
DaemonFC | but using 8 instead of 5 will double the encoding time and only save you a couple hundred KB per file | Aug 10 22:52 |
schestowitz | _Hicham_: pk/petokraus is our chemist here | Aug 10 22:52 |
MinceR | i thought it wasn't really decided what dark matter is | Aug 10 22:53 |
DaemonFC | I only use 8 because I have a fairly fast CPU and I don't really care how long it takes to encode it | Aug 10 22:53 |
_Hicham_ | MinceR : yes, it is isn't decided | Aug 10 22:53 |
schestowitz | MS Office is copying OOo: http://blogs.zdnet.com/microsoft/?p=3688 | Aug 10 22:53 |
MinceR | schestowitz: most of the human body is water :) | Aug 10 22:53 |
DaemonFC | more interested in how much storage space it takes | Aug 10 22:53 |
schestowitz | Pretending it's a 'community' thing | Aug 10 22:53 |
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schestowitz | MinceR: yes | Aug 10 22:53 |
MinceR | i had the impression that dark matter could simply be non-emitting matter, like us | Aug 10 22:53 |
DaemonFC | Vorbis is much more computationally expensive to decode than MP3 | Aug 10 22:54 |
schestowitz | MinceR: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oa79YA0PqdE&feature=PlayList&p=720F404A66AB6C14&index=39 | Aug 10 22:54 |
_Hicham_ | MinceR : we are made of known matter | Aug 10 22:54 |
schestowitz | Body 'parts' on a table (chemicals): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oa79YA0PqdE&feature=PlayList&p=720F404A66AB6C14&index=39 | Aug 10 22:54 |
DaemonFC | they had a article somewhere a while back that said going from WMA unprotected to WMA with DRM cost you 24% of your battery | Aug 10 22:54 |
_Hicham_ | dark matter is unknown | Aug 10 22:54 |
MinceR | _Hicham_: which means it could be the same as us :> | Aug 10 22:54 |
DaemonFC | that's aobut how much you lose going form MP3 to Vorbis | Aug 10 22:54 |
DaemonFC | unless your player supports hardware accelerated decoding | Aug 10 22:55 |
_Hicham_ | MinceR : maybe, which leads eventually to parallel universes | Aug 10 22:55 |
DaemonFC | *from | Aug 10 22:55 |
*schestowitz thinks DaemonFC floods the channel with most boring topics (encoding) | Aug 10 22:55 | |
MinceR | _Hicham_: i don't see how, but it sounds interesting. :) | Aug 10 22:55 |
trmanco | hey look | Aug 10 22:55 |
trmanco | [23:08] -SecureServ- trmanco_, O seu software de IRC está a ser testado contra Trojans. Por favor ignore mensagens de VERSION do SecureServ | Aug 10 22:55 |
trmanco | [23:08] * Received a CTCP VERSION from SecureServ | Aug 10 22:55 |
trmanco | [23:08] -SockServ- trmanco_, A sua maquina esta a ser testada pela PTnet. Consulte http://www.ptnet.org/servicos/abuse/ para mais detalhes | Aug 10 22:55 |
MinceR | schestowitz: you know what the solution to that is. :> | Aug 10 22:55 |
trmanco | portuguese irc is crap | Aug 10 22:55 |
_Hicham_ | MinceR : do u watch BBC Horizon ? | Aug 10 22:55 |
MinceR | nope | Aug 10 22:55 |
MinceR | i'm not sure if we even get BBC here. | Aug 10 22:56 |
trmanco | 3rd time already | Aug 10 22:56 |
DaemonFC | Xiph.org really needs to come up with a better decoder before I'll consider Vorbis, and I'm not sure if that's possible | Aug 10 22:56 |
MinceR | actually, i don't watch much tv at all. | Aug 10 22:56 |
DaemonFC | maybe if you rewrote the entire thing in assembler | Aug 10 22:56 |
DaemonFC | (not happening) | Aug 10 22:56 |
MinceR | DaemonFC: it's called FLAC. | Aug 10 22:56 |
MinceR | :> | Aug 10 22:56 |
schestowitz | MinceR: good for you... | Aug 10 22:56 |
_Hicham_ | MinceR : BBC is everywhere | Aug 10 22:57 |
_Hicham_ | on every Satellite | Aug 10 22:57 |
schestowitz | DaemonFC could flood a kernel channel with journaling tripe | Aug 10 22:57 |
schestowitz | _Hicham_: I don't trust the BBC | Aug 10 22:57 |
_Hicham_ | schestowitz : just let him | Aug 10 22:57 |
MinceR | well, that would at least be ontopic | Aug 10 22:57 |
DaemonFC | based on my (albeit limited) knowledge of assembler, it would probably take at least a year to port something like the Vorbis decoder for every platform you want to support | Aug 10 22:57 |
_Hicham_ | schestowitz : why? | Aug 10 22:57 |
schestowitz | History CHannel seems better | Aug 10 22:57 |
schestowitz | _Hicham_: political propaganda, Microsoft propaganda, DRM... | Aug 10 22:58 |
_Hicham_ | schestowitz : BBC Horizon is one of the greatest Documentaries Series | Aug 10 22:58 |
schestowitz | ALso MAFIAA propaganda (they write "piracy" and stuff) | Aug 10 22:58 |
_Hicham_ | that is what I am talking about | Aug 10 22:58 |
schestowitz | _Hicham_: yes, it's good | Aug 10 22:58 |
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_Hicham_ | schestowitz : plus, BBC developed the dirac codec | Aug 10 22:59 |
schestowitz | But BBC is not just documentaries | Aug 10 22:59 |
schestowitz | There's World Service and news here | Aug 10 22:59 |
_Hicham_ | and uses Vorbis for streaming | Aug 10 22:59 |
schestowitz | 'News' | Aug 10 22:59 |
DaemonFC | BBC America, Fox News Channel, CNN, all blocked on my box, in addition to the religious channels | Aug 10 22:59 |
schestowitz | Approved by cabinet | Aug 10 22:59 |
DaemonFC | so I don't ever accidentally flip to any of them and throw things at my television :) | Aug 10 22:59 |
schestowitz | Microsoft is infecting Office with Linux-hostile Silver Lie. http://blogs.zdnet.com/microsoft/?p=3666 | Aug 10 23:00 |
DaemonFC | CNN is going more and more toward Fox News in their Republican "bark at the moon" conspiracy crackpots (Lou Dobbs) | Aug 10 23:00 |
schestowitz | *LOL* http://www.blogicalthoughts.com/images/signs/1002_signs.jpg | Aug 10 23:01 |
MinceR | lol | Aug 10 23:01 |
schestowitz | "I've been saving up" | Aug 10 23:02 |
DaemonFC | reminds me of when a fire broke out in the office at the place I used to work at and this woman calls me and says the extinguisher doesn'tr work, so I tell her to piss it out, and she tells me she can't | Aug 10 23:03 |
DaemonFC | I come running up there with another extinguisher and put it out | Aug 10 23:03 |
DaemonFC | and the next day I leave a rubber tube on her desk with a note that says "You fail the fire preparation exam, better luck next time" | Aug 10 23:03 |
MinceR | lol | Aug 10 23:04 |
schestowitz | The Real Clunkers in this Deal http://reason.com/news/show/135318.html | Aug 10 23:04 |
DaemonFC | Cash For Clunkers = Bread and Circuses | Aug 10 23:05 |
DaemonFC | :) | Aug 10 23:05 |
schestowitz | Britain's secret mission to expose Scientology leader as 'fraud' < http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/religion/5981457/Britains-secret-mission-to-expose-Scientology-leader-as-fraud.html > | Aug 10 23:06 |
schestowitz | ^^ DaemonFC's bf | Aug 10 23:06 |
DaemonFC | Hubbard was a genius really, he did a lot towards proving that people will believe ANYTHING en masse | Aug 10 23:06 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] RT @tweetmeme SHORTURL SAVIOR: Bit.ly Swoops in to Save Tr.im http://bit.ly/a4HqZ | Aug 10 23:07 | |
DaemonFC | space aliens and hydrogen bombs are as believable as Jesus and the bible | Aug 10 23:07 |
DaemonFC | :P | Aug 10 23:07 |
schestowitz | Twitter Continues to Battle DDoS Attack < http://www.pcworld.com/businesscenter/article/169897/twitter_continues_to_battle_ddos_attack.html > | Aug 10 23:07 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] RT @tweetmeme STUDY: Facebook Increases Jealousy in Relationships http://bit.ly/3OOyIM | Aug 10 23:08 | |
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schestowitz | hydrogen bombs =fictitious? | Aug 10 23:08 |
DaemonFC | space aliens from a galactic confederation dropping them into volcanos with alien prisoners millions of years ago | Aug 10 23:08 |
DaemonFC | take it in context | Aug 10 23:08 |
DaemonFC | and they all flew here on DC-9s | Aug 10 23:08 |
schestowitz | US appeals court cans CAN-SPAM suit < http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/08/08/spam_suit_torpedoed/ > | Aug 10 23:09 |
schestowitz | A lot of people sadly believe anything they see on TV | Aug 10 23:10 |
schestowitz | Ask them about aliens after they watch ET | Aug 10 23:10 |
schestowitz | It's faith-based, not logical | Aug 10 23:10 |
schestowitz | Same in technology where marketing is predominant. | Aug 10 23:10 |
DaemonFC | what's funny is that we actually enforce anti-fraud rules against coutnries that don't reciprocate the favor | Aug 10 23:10 |
schestowitz | Good examples: Vista, Vista 7 (see what happens next year) | Aug 10 23:10 |
DaemonFC | I say let them go until the country that's being defrauded returns the favor | Aug 10 23:10 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] RT @tweetmeme uʍop ǝpısdn sǝʇɐpdn snʇɐʇs ʞooqǝɔɐɟ suɹnʇ s,ʎɹɹǝɾ & uǝq http://bit.ly/yj3S5 | Aug 10 23:11 | |
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DaemonFC | that is against companies who defraud countries that don't return the favor | Aug 10 23:11 |
DaemonFC | I have yet to see where the UK has prosecuted a single online outfit that was exclusively targetting Americans | Aug 10 23:12 |
MinceR | marketing is even more predominant in the crApple cult. | Aug 10 23:12 |
schestowitz | I know | Aug 10 23:12 |
schestowitz | I was gonna use them as an example | Aug 10 23:12 |
MinceR | :) | Aug 10 23:12 |
schestowitz | They treat Jobs like a God | Aug 10 23:12 |
schestowitz | It's something in human nature | Aug 10 23:12 |
schestowitz | Iconfying people | Aug 10 23:12 |
schestowitz | Like Jesus Christ | Aug 10 23:12 |
schestowitz | Or to some people it's Linus | Aug 10 23:13 |
schestowitz | Or whoever | Aug 10 23:13 |
trmanco | Vista SP1 with Antivirus Installed on Multiple CPU Systems Eats All Resources: http://news.softpedia.com/news/Vista-SP1-with-Antivirus-Installed-on-Multiple-CPU-Systems-Eats-All-Resources-118838.shtml | Aug 10 23:13 |
MinceR | to me, it's myself | Aug 10 23:13 |
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DaemonFC | it's because people reach out to any length to justify their own pre-conceived notions | Aug 10 23:13 |
schestowitz | Many vicious leaders as well. SOme people prefer to be told what to do. They find it comforting. | Aug 10 23:13 |
DaemonFC | that's the part of human nature you're referring to | Aug 10 23:13 |
schestowitz | DaemonFC: yes, I saw people fitting the universe's unified theory to religion | Aug 10 23:14 |
schestowitz | 'Harmonising' the two | Aug 10 23:14 |
MinceR | cognitive dissonance | Aug 10 23:14 |
schestowitz | It's even uglier, in some ways. | Aug 10 23:14 |
schestowitz | It's a distortion | Aug 10 23:14 |
DaemonFC | schestowitz: You mean like Islamic dictators where they persecute people who don't go along with the state religion? | Aug 10 23:14 |
MinceR | and the other thing is being a pack animal | Aug 10 23:14 |
DaemonFC | yeah, people support those types because they crack down on people that they hate for religious reasons | Aug 10 23:14 |
DaemonFC | the government stays in power as long as they pander to the bigots in that country | Aug 10 23:15 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] RT @trmanco RT @tweetmeme uʍop ǝpısdn sǝʇɐpdn snʇɐʇs ʞooqǝɔɐɟ suɹnʇ s,ʎɹɹǝɾ & uǝq http://bit.ly/yj3S5 | Aug 10 23:16 | |
DaemonFC | there's some of that going on in pretty much every government, but Iran is probably the archtypical example of the phenomenon | Aug 10 23:16 |
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DaemonFC | Australia seems to be nudging along in that direction oddly enough | Aug 10 23:17 |
DaemonFC | with their religious-based internet censorship | Aug 10 23:17 |
DaemonFC | most of that is just a government power grab where the porn filter is to toss the religious zombies a bone | Aug 10 23:18 |
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schestowitz | Dell kills its 12-inch netbook < http://www.linuxfordevices.com/c/a/News/Dell-Mini-12-and-Mini-9/?kc=rss > | Aug 10 23:18 |
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DaemonFC | I think Blackberry-type devices are going to be replacing the laptop and netbook market anyway | Aug 10 23:19 |
DaemonFC | and Microsoft has had a terrible time trying to compete in that market | Aug 10 23:19 |
DaemonFC | the iPhone is jsut too proprietary to be healthy | Aug 10 23:20 |
DaemonFC | it'll limp along and reach its natural limit eventually | Aug 10 23:20 |
DaemonFC | then recede from that point | Aug 10 23:20 |
schestowitz | Dell kills its 12-inch netbook http://www.linuxfordevices.com/c/a/News/Dell-Mini-12-and-Mini-9/?kc=rss | Aug 10 23:21 |
schestowitz | Is it true that a linux model gets axed whreas others are "Linux-compatible" only? | Aug 10 23:21 |
schestowitz | iPhone is powered by a lot of perception | Aug 10 23:21 |
schestowitz | The notion that Macs are expensive | Aug 10 23:22 |
DaemonFC | if I was the Blackberry people, I'd open source the software development kit under a BSD-style license | Aug 10 23:22 |
cubezzz | Zaurus got the axe too a while back :-/ | Aug 10 23:22 |
schestowitz | SO if you can afford an iPhone than OMG you can now cut and paste | Aug 10 23:22 |
schestowitz | Their ads are ridiculous | Aug 10 23:22 |
MinceR | DaemonFC: what's going to be replacing our fingers then? | Aug 10 23:22 |
schestowitz | They brag about a feature I had on my Pakm at the beginning of the century | Aug 10 23:22 |
DaemonFC | a thing will ultimately succeed or fail depending almost entirely on how easy it is to develop for | Aug 10 23:22 |
cubezzz | I don't even want the phone part | Aug 10 23:23 |
DaemonFC | they should focus on having the best SDK, and no DRM at all | Aug 10 23:23 |
schestowitz | Toy apps | Aug 10 23:23 |
cubezzz | just a good pocket computer | Aug 10 23:23 |
schestowitz | Some use access to 'mashup' data like openstreetmap | Aug 10 23:23 |
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MinceR | cubezzz: that died with the Zaurus, i'm afraid. | Aug 10 23:23 |
schestowitz | Apple is good at consuming software | Aug 10 23:23 |
schestowitz | Like KHTML and CUPS | Aug 10 23:23 |
schestowitz | Does Apple release much FOSS? | Aug 10 23:23 |
DaemonFC | Microsoft and Apple flood the market with cheap and easy to use SDKs for that reason | Aug 10 23:23 |
_Hicham_ | Apple Released Webkit | Aug 10 23:24 |
DaemonFC | schestowitz: They do actually | Aug 10 23:24 |
Diablo-D3 | http://javaposse.com/index.php?post_id=510448 | Aug 10 23:24 |
Diablo-D3 | schestowitz: read read read | Aug 10 23:24 |
MinceR | actually the KDE team released it | Aug 10 23:24 |
DaemonFC | almost their entire OS is free software | Aug 10 23:24 |
MinceR | and it was called KHTML :> | Aug 10 23:24 |
Diablo-D3 | schestowitz: read the first paragraph | Aug 10 23:24 |
schestowitz | It uses so much,... just uses. Samba, BSD.. | Aug 10 23:24 |
DaemonFC | even the FSF recognizes that much | Aug 10 23:24 |
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Diablo-D3 | " * People who followed the link for the SD Times story about Mono outpacing Java on Linux may have been confused that the article linked to and the one we talked about seemed to be different, they changed the story." | Aug 10 23:24 |
DaemonFC | the Apple Public Source License is a free software license that is incompatible with GPL | Aug 10 23:24 |
DaemonFC | the incompatible with GPL part sends the religious GPL people arching their backs and hissing | Aug 10 23:25 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] RT @tweetmeme 3 Key Reasons Facebook Bought FriendFeed http://bit.ly/dNLxE | Aug 10 23:26 | |
DaemonFC | even though the FSF officially uses BSD licenses on many important projects | Aug 10 23:26 |
DaemonFC | schestowitz: And oddly enough, it's the free software Apple releases that the OS X cracks are all based on | Aug 10 23:27 |
schestowitz | Compared to the KDE4 windows decorations, look how ugly the UI toolkit OOo uses: http://www.linuxjournal.com/content/openofficeorg-cross-references-revisited | Aug 10 23:27 |
MinceR | what are the GNU/Linux cracks based on, then? | Aug 10 23:27 |
MinceR | oh, wait... | Aug 10 23:27 |
Diablo-D3 | MinceR: too much eating | Aug 10 23:28 |
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DaemonFC | they're obviously not too worries about cracked copies of OS X on the PC because it's never going to work as well or get popular | Aug 10 23:28 |
DaemonFC | *worried | Aug 10 23:28 |
Diablo-D3 | alright, Im going to bed | Aug 10 23:28 |
Diablo-D3 | if Im making jokes like that, its time to go | Aug 10 23:28 |
DaemonFC | actually a lot of "GNU/Linux" distros use product activation | Aug 10 23:28 |
MinceR | lol | Aug 10 23:28 |
DaemonFC | and it's entirely allowed by the GPL license | Aug 10 23:28 |
DaemonFC | whoops | Aug 10 23:28 |
MinceR | DaemonFC: you're making bad jokes too, go to sleep | Aug 10 23:29 |
schestowitz | He never sleeps | Aug 10 23:29 |
DaemonFC | Red Hat Enterprise Linux, Suse Linux Enterprise Desktop, LinuxXP, iMagicOS, Linspire did it | Aug 10 23:29 |
schestowitz | Motor mouth | Aug 10 23:29 |
DaemonFC | where's the freedom that GPL is protecting? | Aug 10 23:29 |
DaemonFC | Xandros does it | Aug 10 23:30 |
MinceR | where's the activation part? | Aug 10 23:30 |
DaemonFC | built into the OS | Aug 10 23:30 |
DaemonFC | serial number and online activation and all | Aug 10 23:30 |
DaemonFC | some jsut use subscriptions to block out your updates | Aug 10 23:30 |
DaemonFC | which is about as bad as any Windows Vista activator | Aug 10 23:30 |
DaemonFC | *activation | Aug 10 23:31 |
MinceR | software updates are not activation | Aug 10 23:31 |
MinceR | but thanks for playing | Aug 10 23:31 |
DaemonFC | same thing | Aug 10 23:31 |
*MinceR -> | Aug 10 23:31 | |
_Hicham_ | It is different than in Windows | Aug 10 23:31 |
DaemonFC | if you have to "pirate" Red Hat Linux in order to run it, how is the GPL protecting the "freedom" of Red Hat Linux users? | Aug 10 23:31 |
_Hicham_ | since you can get the source | Aug 10 23:32 |
DaemonFC | some of it | Aug 10 23:32 |
DaemonFC | well, most | Aug 10 23:32 |
DaemonFC | same as OS X | Aug 10 23:32 |
_Hicham_ | RHEL source is freely downloadable | Aug 10 23:32 |
DaemonFC | Red Hat builds in add-ons that are non-free, indeed entire file systems | Aug 10 23:32 |
DaemonFC | and CentOS can't clone that | Aug 10 23:32 |
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_Hicham_ | well, you explain urself | Aug 10 23:32 |
_Hicham_ | and what is wrong with that ? | Aug 10 23:33 |
_Hicham_ | as schestowitz said, motor mouth, that is all | Aug 10 23:33 |
DaemonFC | Global File System was nonfree for years | Aug 10 23:34 |
DaemonFC | until 2004 | Aug 10 23:34 |
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schestowitz | Groklaw has h/w failure... http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20090809133923781 | Aug 10 23:35 |
DaemonFC | anyway, in theory, and bear with me for just a moment, if the GPL theoretically would let every single distro and package use "activation" and serial numbers, and every system and package did use it, how is the GPL protecting you? | Aug 10 23:35 |
DaemonFC | in theory | Aug 10 23:35 |
DaemonFC | I know someone could come along and compile everything without it, but what if they didn't bother to? | Aug 10 23:36 |
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DaemonFC | it's a roadblock | Aug 10 23:36 |
_Hicham_ | you pay for their effort | Aug 10 23:36 |
_Hicham_ | GPL is not about giving everything for free | Aug 10 23:36 |
_Hicham_ | there are fees | Aug 10 23:36 |
DaemonFC | so in other words, it's free because I can compile all 20,000 packages myself | Aug 10 23:36 |
DaemonFC | in theory | Aug 10 23:36 |
_Hicham_ | GPL encourages selling software | Aug 10 23:37 |
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DaemonFC | and if anyone tries it, their stuff tends to be cloned and given out for free anyway | Aug 10 23:37 |
schestowitz | Or hardware with software | Aug 10 23:37 |
DaemonFC | yes I know | Aug 10 23:37 |
_Hicham_ | GPL encourages you to make money | Aug 10 23:37 |
schestowitz | Red Hat sells boxes | Aug 10 23:37 |
DaemonFC | which was the basis for the Novell Microsoft deal | Aug 10 23:37 |
DaemonFC | so Novell really did have stuff nobody else can use | Aug 10 23:37 |
schestowitz | No | Aug 10 23:37 |
schestowitz | They screwed the GPL | Aug 10 23:37 |
schestowitz | They said, "We can distribute it, you can't" | Aug 10 23:38 |
schestowitz | They created a dividr | Aug 10 23:38 |
schestowitz | *der | Aug 10 23:38 |
DaemonFC | right, so if I clone Suse Linux Enterprise, then mine HAS to be missing those pieces | Aug 10 23:38 |
DaemonFC | I can't make anything equal to theirs from their sources, right? | Aug 10 23:38 |
DaemonFC | without violating the license, the law, or what have you | Aug 10 23:38 |
schestowitz | it's different | Aug 10 23:39 |
schestowitz | Patent covenant | Aug 10 23:39 |
schestowitz | brb\ | Aug 10 23:39 |
DaemonFC | and the GPL never really specified much about patent restrictions, which means gray area, which means that Novell will never be bound by any additional restrictions in GPL 3, and even if they otherwise would be, they are grandfather claused | Aug 10 23:40 |
trmanco | http://www.informationweek.com/news/windows/operatingsystems/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=219100623&cid=RSSfeed_IWK_ALL | Aug 10 23:40 |
trmanco | lool | Aug 10 23:40 |
DaemonFC | which gives them an unnatural advantage over everyone else, which is what they were after anyway | Aug 10 23:40 |
trmanco | has this been covered | Aug 10 23:40 |
DaemonFC | if the GPL3 was worried about freedom, they never would have said "And anybody who fucked their users over before this date is immune from the extra provisions in GPL3" | Aug 10 23:41 |
DaemonFC | so Novell and TurboLinux and everyone else gets to slip their distro over the fence, and everyone else is bound by the new license | Aug 10 23:42 |
schestowitz | [Rumor] Moblin chegando aos Eee PCs < http://www.linuxjournal.com/content/openofficeorg-cross-references-revisited > Picture Asus readying Moblin netbook? < http://www.pcpro.co.uk/news/266038/asus-readying-moblin-netbook.html > This one says it's based on Fedora, but it's not anymore | Aug 10 23:42 |
DaemonFC | that has to be the most horrible political compromise I've ever seen the FSF stoop down to | Aug 10 23:43 |
schestowitz | Stop speading disinfo | Aug 10 23:43 |
schestowitz | Only Novell was grandfathered | Aug 10 23:43 |
DaemonFC | nope | Aug 10 23:43 |
DaemonFC | anyone before a certain date | Aug 10 23:43 |
schestowitz | The FSF pardoned them | Aug 10 23:43 |
DaemonFC | it never specified Novell anywhere | Aug 10 23:43 |
_Hicham_ | sweet DaemonFC | Aug 10 23:43 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[tracyrreed] US Air called, reneged on $908 check. Now it is $240 to my card, check for $668, $600 in vouchers. $908 two weeks ago was cheaper! WTF? | Aug 10 23:44 | |
DaemonFC | so all existing Microsoft agreements, including Novells, are covered | Aug 10 23:44 |
DaemonFC | that also covers TurboLinux, and Xandros, and a number of others | Aug 10 23:44 |
DaemonFC | so the GPL3 extends and arificial "shield" over the explotative companies who got there first and ensures that anyone who really is scared into using "covered" distros always uses those guys distro | Aug 10 23:45 |
DaemonFC | *an | Aug 10 23:45 |
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DaemonFC | sweet deal if you ask me | Aug 10 23:45 |
DaemonFC | not so great for anyone else | Aug 10 23:45 |
DaemonFC | that entire section of the license has no business being there, and issues a blanket pardon for the assholes who got there first | Aug 10 23:46 |
DaemonFC | if you use GPL3, you should modify it to exclude that section or you automagically give Novell the right to use your software | Aug 10 23:46 |
DaemonFC | while engaged in their Microsoft deal | Aug 10 23:47 |
DaemonFC | I think that's one of the few reasons that Linux will never be GPL3 | Aug 10 23:47 |
DaemonFC | Linus has said he's not interested in dictating the hardware that Linux runs on, or patent terms, and I very seriously doubt he wants to create a double standard while setting patent terms | Aug 10 23:48 |
Balrog_ | grr ... I'm really mad at what the local library is doing | Aug 10 23:49 |
DaemonFC | if anything, people should be petitioning the FSF for a GPL version 3.1 that strikes that provision | Aug 10 23:49 |
Balrog_ | first they implement filtering that can't be disabled by staff | Aug 10 23:49 |
Balrog_ | now they block ALL portable apps as well (from accessing the Internet) | Aug 10 23:50 |
DaemonFC | there has to be a way around it | Aug 10 23:50 |
DaemonFC | Websense? | Aug 10 23:50 |
Balrog_ | I don't know :( ... I took a look and it's pretty locked down | Aug 10 23:50 |
DaemonFC | try using TOR | Aug 10 23:50 |
DaemonFC | that may very well work | Aug 10 23:50 |
Balrog_ | NOTHING other than IE and WMP can go out to the Internet | Aug 10 23:50 |
Balrog_ | other apps just 'time out' | Aug 10 23:51 |
DaemonFC | that's easy to spoof | Aug 10 23:51 |
DaemonFC | set your Firefox user agent to the version of MSIE they are using | Aug 10 23:51 |
DaemonFC | point Internet Explorer to useragent.org | Aug 10 23:51 |
DaemonFC | and use that user agent line for Firefox | Aug 10 23:51 |
Balrog_ | I don't think they're using useragent; rather they're using application-level firewalling | Aug 10 23:51 |
Balrog_ | not even PuTTY can connect | Aug 10 23:51 |
Balrog_ | (that's an SSH client, if you don't know) | Aug 10 23:51 |
DaemonFC | it's most likely user agent | Aug 10 23:51 |
DaemonFC | NTLM is the only other method I know of, and Firefox has spoofed NTLM handshakes for years | Aug 10 23:52 |
DaemonFC | can't hurt to try UA spoofing | Aug 10 23:52 |
DaemonFC | worst that can happen is it still won't work | Aug 10 23:52 |
trmanco | http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9136454/Ballmer_confirms_Windows_7_Starter_restrictions_for_netbooks?source=rss_news | Aug 10 23:52 |
Balrog_ | True; I'm not there right now. | Aug 10 23:52 |
DaemonFC | use their exact user agent | Aug 10 23:53 |
Balrog_ | But isn't what they're doing illegal ? | Aug 10 23:53 |
DaemonFC | just using the default MSIE user agent may not work | Aug 10 23:53 |
DaemonFC | no it's not | Aug 10 23:53 |
Balrog_ | yes, if I ask a librarian to disable the filter the law requires them to | Aug 10 23:54 |
DaemonFC | so file a lawsuit | Aug 10 23:54 |
DaemonFC | file it in small claims court | Aug 10 23:55 |
DaemonFC | cite the law in question | Aug 10 23:55 |
DaemonFC | and the judge's ruling will bind them to take the filter down | Aug 10 23:55 |
Balrog_ | I'll send polite letters to the head of the library system and to the legislators first | Aug 10 23:55 |
Balrog_ | Their IT department ... well it should suffice to say that they're not very respectable | Aug 10 23:56 |
Balrog_ | IMO | Aug 10 23:56 |
DaemonFC | cite the law, be polite, hint that you may use "legal alternatives" to compel them if the issue is not resolved | Aug 10 23:56 |
Balrog_ | yes. | Aug 10 23:56 |
DaemonFC | and sent it Certified Mail | Aug 10 23:56 |
DaemonFC | make a photocopy of the letter and immediately write the date sent on it | Aug 10 23:56 |
DaemonFC | *send | Aug 10 23:57 |
DaemonFC | don't just spout that you'll sue them, say "I may explore legal alternatives to further your compliance with said statute" | Aug 10 23:57 |
DaemonFC | :) | Aug 10 23:57 |
Balrog_ | yes. | Aug 10 23:58 |
DaemonFC | that scares them because it's vague and you aren't committing to a threat | Aug 10 23:58 |
Balrog_ | yes | Aug 10 23:59 |
DaemonFC | sign off with "I appreciate your timely consideration in this matter" "Sincerely, (your name)" | Aug 10 23:59 |
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