IRC: #boycottnovell @ FreeNode: August 25th, 2009

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schestowitzOuted Blogger Plans To Sue Google; Skank Model Mess Gets Messier < http://techdirt.com/articles/20090823/1641525967.shtml >Aug 25 00:20
schestowitzVery good take from Masnick, as usualAug 25 00:20
schestowitzhttp://www.techdirt.com/articles/20090824/1057245978.shtml "www.techdirt.com could not be found. Please check the name and try again."Aug 25 00:35
schestowitzThey got cracked recentlyAug 25 00:36
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schestowitz<schestowitz> http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20090824/1057245978.shtml "www.techdirt.com could not be found. Please check the name and try again."Aug 25 00:55
schestowitz<schestowitz> They got cracked recentlyAug 25 00:55
schestowitzHeh. I pulled the wire out while sorting out the desk. Mea culpa.Aug 25 00:55
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] How Many People Must Die Before Abandoning Windows? http://bit.ly/1fW15Aug 25 02:07
fewaschestowitz, you can keep using ping.fmAug 25 02:11
schestowitzCan I?Aug 25 02:13
schestowitzI tried.Aug 25 02:13
schestowitzIt spews out errorsAug 25 02:13
fewaoO0Aug 25 02:13
schestowitzThey seem like real error messagesAug 25 02:13
fewaahh, nvm thenAug 25 02:14
tessierWas it in this channel where someone said Helios is a hero and I asked why? If so I missed any explanation.Aug 25 02:25
schestowitzYeah.Aug 25 02:26
schestowitzI'm looking at the text now. It doesn't seem like an answer was givenAug 25 02:27
tessierah, ok. Thought maybe I missed somethingAug 25 02:27
schestowitzHelios named me as a hero or role model of his :-)Aug 25 02:27
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schestowitzfewa: the ping.fm issue was that I didn't allow ENOUGH JSAug 25 02:38
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Are Microsoft and Apple in Collusion Against Google? http://ping.fm/EckNOAug 25 02:38
fewaBut there really should be a url shortening thing added to the HTML specAug 25 02:39
schestowitzOh noAug 25 02:44
schestowitzShortening is badAug 25 02:44
schestowitzThe whole thing is a business for managing trafficAug 25 02:45
schestowitzSPying tooAug 25 02:45
schestowitzhttp://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/08/24/swedish_court_orders_black_internet_shut_down_tpb/Aug 25 02:47
schestowitzhttp://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/08/24/4chan_pwns_christians/Aug 25 02:48
fewayesAug 25 02:48
fewathats why the spec would say how to specify the longer url in the tagAug 25 02:49
fewaie <A canonical="http://blah.blah.blah/blah">Aug 25 02:49
fewaor you could just use <a href="http://long.url/really/really/long>http://short.url/123y8g</a>Aug 25 02:50
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[scientes] Piracy is not theft, its piracy http://imgur.com/upz16.jpg #copyright #MAFIAAAug 25 04:27
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[scientes] Copyright infringement is not piracy http://imgur.com/upz16.jpg #copyright #MAFIAAAug 25 04:29
twitterCitrix Pawns are told they are "central" to M$ virtualization http://www.dabcc.com/article.aspx?id=11611Aug 25 04:30
twittersuckers.Aug 25 04:30
fewalawlAug 25 04:31
twitterSome small disclosure of M$ government lobby money http://www.forbes.com/feeds/ap/2009/08/24/business-technology-hardware-amp-equipment-us-microsoft-lobbying_6808591.htmlAug 25 04:32
twitterI imagine they spent more than the $2 million on defeating ODF in Florida alone.Aug 25 04:33
twitterThere have been a lot of other squalid little battles like that all around the country.Aug 25 04:34
fewaCitrix thinking they are important when the end product is more expensive, and less useful than the FOSS competitionAug 25 04:34
twitterThey have M$ promising them great things.  The "long term" the "picket fence" that kind of thing.Aug 25 04:35
twitterWe can imagine that M$ promises that they won't break Cittrix implementations but will break others.Aug 25 04:35
twitterSo that Citrix can serve out M$'s second rate stack through a Citrix box.  This will keep Citrix recommending Winblows until M$ stabs them in the back.Aug 25 04:36
twitterM$ does not deny that most XBox systems go tits up with RRoD http://news.zergwatch.com/2009/08/23/microsoft-responds-to-xbox-failure-rate-claim-rrod/Aug 25 04:52
twitterM$ muscles it's way into the dying local newspaper biz http://blog.seattlepi.com/microsoft/archives/176776.aspAug 25 04:54
twitterM$ looking for geniuses with strong backs http://blogs.wsj.com/digits/2009/08/21/microsoft-muscles-into-retail-stores/Aug 25 04:56
twitterNeed to be able to dead lift the average 75 pound Peee Ceee.Aug 25 04:56
twitterIt's shameless how they try to imitate Apple.Aug 25 04:57
twitterape Apple.Aug 25 04:57
fewaHeavy softawreAug 25 05:10
fewa:PAug 25 05:10
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twitterCCTV solves zero crime http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/8219022.stmAug 25 06:56
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twitterif a picture is worth a thousand words, what are 1,000 cameras worth?  a single bust!Aug 25 06:58
twitterpolice state is not about solving crimeAug 25 06:59
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ThistleWeba ntebook BBC link you may want to touch on http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/click_online/8155546.stmAug 25 07:10
ThistleWebnetbook*Aug 25 07:11
ThistleWeb"But it means they can see it on a cheap netbook without having to inflate the cost of a machine."  << about Windows 7 on the netbookAug 25 07:11
ThistleWeb"You are going to be looking at a netbook operating system that loads within a few seconds, gets you checking your e-mail very quickly and browsing the web," explained Mr Lanxon.Aug 25 07:12
ThistleWeb^^also about windows 7 on the netbookAug 25 07:12
ThistleWeb"But users soon started to install Microsoft software, and Windows XP became the operating system (OS) of choice for netbooks."  << you have to laugh, users don't install OS's, they use what's installed when they buy itAug 25 07:14
fewaGeezeAug 25 07:39
fewaThistleWeb, it read like it came straight from MSFT's mouthAug 25 07:39
twitterNokia goes Winblows http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/news/2009/08/nokias-new-wintel-netbook-what-happened-to-maemo-arm.arsAug 25 07:40
twitterickAug 25 07:40
twitterhttp://europe.nokia.com/find-products/mini-laptop?CMP=KNC-lptp_US_01&HBX_OU=50&HBX_PK=nokia%20netbookAug 25 07:41
twitter"Life without walls.  Nokia recommends Windows"Aug 25 07:42
fewaIn a world without fences and walls, who needs gates and windows?Aug 25 07:42
fewaThey got bought outAug 25 07:43
fewa*pa*paid offAug 25 07:44
ThistleWebI knew nokia and MS signed an agreement a lil while ago, but that's soo recent to affect this new nokia netbookAug 25 07:44
fewaStill why would they change course from what they accounced?Aug 25 07:45
ThistleWebknowing the agreement exists and seeing the netbook has a built in wifi etcAug 25 07:45
fewaseems like a strategy to push the release of vista 7Aug 25 07:45
ThistleWebyou have to wonder if MS are trying to get netbook hardware hobbled to require windows, ala the winmodemAug 25 07:45
ThistleWebso, peeps will have hassle getting linux on itAug 25 07:45
fewaThistleWeb, they have always done that with all hardwareAug 25 07:46
fewabut maybe a special effort? probably considering the huge threat netbooks playAug 25 07:46
ThistleWebI know, I wonder if this is that start of that on the netbookAug 25 07:46
ThistleWebright now peeps can avoid buying wifi or bluetooth dongles that are not linux freindlyAug 25 07:47
ThistleWebif it's built in, it may even be coded to not allow any peripheral to take over that role for "security"Aug 25 07:47
ThistleWebthat's all just guesswork right now thoughAug 25 07:48
ThistleWebor maybe a prediction based on MS's past and present behaviour patternsAug 25 07:48
fewaTreacherous ComputingAug 25 07:48
ThistleWebfor what it's worth, the nokia netbook does look quite nice, pity it's windowsAug 25 07:49
ThistleWeboffhand I believe the agreement was about MS apps and services being available on nokias phone rangeAug 25 07:49
fewaYmeh, it looks like every other netbookAug 25 07:50
ThistleWebmaybe the "wont inflate the cost" is true, compared against XP and the basic crippled windows 7Aug 25 07:51
fewaie. the price is most importantAug 25 07:51
fewaThistleWeb, but they will probably allow 2GB RAM?Aug 25 07:51
fewathen they must be upping the priceAug 25 07:51
ThistleWebit'll just be that useless designed to allow and encourage vendors to upsell to get anything usefullAug 25 07:51
fewaor further crippling itAug 25 07:52
ThistleWebso that 300 netbook you saw advertised is actually 400 if you want it to be useful and still run windowsAug 25 07:52
fewaand most are harddrive onlyAug 25 08:04
fewasay goodbye to quick boot up timesAug 25 08:05
ThistleWebI notice the "getting the best out of netbooks" is ONLY about xpAug 25 08:07
ThistleWebhttp://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/click_online/8156789.stmAug 25 08:07
ThistleWebthe video is all xp, no mention of linuxAug 25 08:07
ThistleWebwith plenty of MS product placement like opening WMPAug 25 08:08
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ThistleWebit really is shamefulAug 25 08:08
ThistleWebMS got their moneys worth from that episode of Click, I hope the Click crew had a decent reward for selling outAug 25 08:09
_goblinnot Click the BBC show that appears excempt from the Computer Misuse Act?Aug 25 08:09
_goblinThe Click show is awful.....disgusting program by people who are behind the times on the news, have a only basic understanding and present a hopeless show which we have to pay for....Aug 25 08:12
ThistleWebsometimes the BBC can appear more ill informed than biased, but sometimes it's pretty blatantAug 25 08:12
_goblinClick presenters never answered any of my questions I put to them.....Aug 25 08:12
ThistleWebthe netbook guide does seem to have been written at RedmondAug 25 08:12
_goblinI bet it was.Aug 25 08:12
_goblinand we pay for this rubbish...Aug 25 08:12
ThistleWebI dontAug 25 08:13
_goblinlol..Aug 25 08:13
fewaBBC should be privitizedAug 25 08:13
ThistleWebmy shredder has developed a taste for TV licence demand lettersAug 25 08:13
_goblinwhilst I don't support evading payment, I can't say Im bothered at the thought that BBC has lost out on some revenue.Aug 25 08:13
fewaor at least the ajority of itAug 25 08:13
ThistleWebI treat them with the same respct I reserve for all extortion racketsAug 25 08:14
ThistleWebI am an equal oppertunities shredderAug 25 08:14
fewaDid Thacher take any effort to privatize the BBC?Aug 25 08:15
ThistleWebunlike the FOI where you have to pay to ask for information, the TV licence peeps thought they'd keep me informed with a running total of how many peeps they'd sent to jail for not paying for entertainment shows like Strictly Come DancingAug 25 08:16
ThistleWebI never asked to be kept informedAug 25 08:16
ThistleWebnice of them to be so considerateAug 25 08:16
fewaJust to me as an American it seems so wierd to have a government new programAug 25 08:17
fewa*government mediaAug 25 08:17
ThistleWebnot that it's much use, I give in to the shredder's hunger pains without reading it beyond who it's fromAug 25 08:17
fewain the US federal government works don't even hold copyrightAug 25 08:17
ThistleWebthe BBC is in an odd positionAug 25 08:18
fewaBig reason why maps and mapping software in the US is go greatAug 25 08:18
fewapublic data from the USGS and NASAAug 25 08:18
ThistleWebit acts like a commercial broadcaster, but is protected under the label "public service"Aug 25 08:18
fewaand NASA data is the only public data for alot of countriesAug 25 08:18
ThistleWebit's not been a public service broadcaster for decadesAug 25 08:19
ThistleWebmost of it's output is mainstreamAug 25 08:19
fewaLandsat 7 and landsat 9 dataAug 25 08:19
ThistleWebthe concept of the licence fee was dead in the 80'sAug 25 08:19
ThistleWebfrom then on, everyone who kept it going is complicit in the defrauding of the UK peopleAug 25 08:20
fewacheck this out: http://earthnow.usgs.gov/Aug 25 08:20
_goblinI don't think the BBC will ever be privatized, the government would then loose control of news broadcast and during these days we can have that can we?Aug 25 08:21
_goblin*cantAug 25 08:21
ThistleWebthe TV licenence goes almost exclusivily to the BBC, others get the scraps. Any suggestion the BBC should share it is met by the fat cats growling, whining and complaining of an attack on the BBCAug 25 08:21
fewa_goblin, the government in the US has all sorts of control over the mediaAug 25 08:22
fewaits all about accessAug 25 08:22
ThistleWebgiven that it's a BBC subscription, why is there no offer to "block the BBC and not pay the licence"Aug 25 08:22
ThistleWebevery other channel is paid for by other meansAug 25 08:22
fewaI mean BBC seems to produce some good stuffAug 25 08:22
fewaand no adsAug 25 08:23
ThistleWebyou get Sky by paying a subscription, or ad supported channels by being subject to adsAug 25 08:23
_goblintrue....about 3 shows a year I have interest in.Aug 25 08:23
fewain the US we have HBO which is similarAug 25 08:23
_goblinDr Who, Torchwood and Merlin....Aug 25 08:23
ThistleWeba lot of the BBC content is mainstream, with a built in fan baseAug 25 08:23
ThistleWebso if those shows switched channels, the fans would switch channels and still watchAug 25 08:24
_goblinand theres no reason why ITV could not acquire it.....Aug 25 08:24
ThistleWebthey wouldn't sit like morons watching what the BBC replaced it with, if their show was only a button press awayAug 25 08:24
ThistleWebbuyers for networks know they have a built in fanbase who would either be eyeballs to their adverts, or potentially wiling to pay a subscription to see their showsAug 25 08:25
ThistleWebthey know they can make money from those shows, so they'd be picked upAug 25 08:26
ThistleWebI don't understand where the "public service" is in Eastenders, or Dr WhoAug 25 08:26
ThistleWebevery ratings chasing show the BBC show paid for by a tax, is veiwers it steals from other commercial networks who need eyeballsAug 25 08:27
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ThistleWebit takes money from those networks, and the advertisersAug 25 08:27
ThistleWebsame with major sporting eventsAug 25 08:27
ThistleWebfine, insist that certain events must be free to air, but the BBC is not the only free to air channelAug 25 08:28
ThistleWebanytime the BBC has to bid against a commercial network, it's stealing revenue by abusing the concept of "public service broadcasting"Aug 25 08:29
ThistleWebif commercial networks bid for something, it has a commercial case; ie enough viewers to make it profitable in their business modelAug 25 08:30
ThistleWebI can't stand the excuse that it's "free to air"Aug 25 08:32
ThistleWeba lifetime subscription currently around £140 per year is NOT freeAug 25 08:32
fewadoes BBC have anything to do with the infrastructure?Aug 25 08:32
fewaie cable or internet?Aug 25 08:33
ThistleWeba subscription you can't opt out of, and go to jail for not payingAug 25 08:33
ThistleWebnot that I know ofAug 25 08:33
fewaThen it needs to be privitizedAug 25 08:33
fewaeven playing fieldAug 25 08:33
ThistleWebthey do tend to piss on a lot of things to extend their reachAug 25 08:33
fewaand the only thing to remain a strong public control over allocation of spectrumAug 25 08:34
ThistleWebanything capable of recieving the BBC, they demand you pay the licence forAug 25 08:34
ThistleWebnot just a tvAug 25 08:34
ThistleWebpc with tuner cardAug 25 08:34
fewaour system on spectrum functions very poorelyAug 25 08:34
ThistleWebvideoAug 25 08:34
fewashould be tax-basedAug 25 08:34
fewaor tax/auctionAug 25 08:35
ThistleWebthey brought in iPlayer, which lets peeps in the UK catch up on shows, but it's hit UK ISPs REAL hard in bandwidthAug 25 08:35
fewaand there should be a annual or semi-annual study and report on who is_using_ (not just allocated) what spectrumAug 25 08:35
ThistleWebthe ISPs have asked for some of the licence fee to help offset the iPlayer cost, guess what the BBC's response was?Aug 25 08:35
fewaThistleWeb, and having the government have copyright is wierdAug 25 08:35
fewayour map/survey people basically acting like a private businessAug 25 08:36
ThistleWebthe BBC insisted that the ISPs should be able to cope, it's their problem that the BBC iPlayer was providing more traffic, that THEY should build their network to cope with itAug 25 08:36
fewathats nastyAug 25 08:37
fewaand iPlayer is a disgrace of public broadcastingAug 25 08:37
fewaas it uses propritary Microsoft techAug 25 08:37
ThistleWebyeah, they remind me of big old nasty dogs who growl at any hand nearing their bowl, increasing in volume and ferocity the nearer it getsAug 25 08:37
fewathat is not consumer-neutralAug 25 08:37
ThistleWebyeah they were forced to do a mac and linux version but they weren't very keenAug 25 08:38
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ThistleWebthere's a LOT wrong with the BBC / TV licence setupAug 25 08:38
fewashould have been built on flash or openjdk-capable javaAug 25 08:38
fewaor just HTTP streamingAug 25 08:39
schestowitzWhat a crappy article, twitter: http://www.forbes.com/feeds/ap/2009/08/24/business-technology-hardware-amp-equipment-us-microsoft-lobbying_6808591.htmlAug 25 08:39
fewathat would be bestAug 25 08:39
ThistleWebthey invented Dirac as an open cource streaming codecAug 25 08:39
schestowitzThey don't talk about the full extent of 'lobbying'Aug 25 08:39
schestowitzaka legalisd briberyAug 25 08:39
ThistleWebwhy not use it?Aug 25 08:39
schestowitzAnd they paint Microsoft as a victim of 'piracy'Aug 25 08:39
fewaor ogg/vorb/theora over HTTPAug 25 08:40
fewanice cross-platform, standardized, and vendor-neutral formatAug 25 08:40
fewaand currently supportedAug 25 08:40
ThistleWebthe whole point was to have a good quality, compressed codec designed specifically for streaming videosAug 25 08:40
ThistleWebogg or diracAug 25 08:40
ThistleWebboth are freeAug 25 08:40
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fewaGovernment-used DRM just makes me shudderAug 25 08:41
fewaNot something seen in the USAug 25 08:42
ThistleWebit does seem odd that they don't use a codec THEY invented, but would rather use a codec they have to pay for.......why invent one if you're not gonna use it? It was just a waste of licence fee money to invent it, and pay for another oneAug 25 08:42
schestowitzNokia -- like ASUS -- got paid to 'recommend' WIndowsAug 25 08:45
ThistleWebyepAug 25 08:45
schestowitzThese adverts are endorsements should be bannedAug 25 08:45
schestowitzAnd the MSBBC is corrupt since long agoAug 25 08:45
fewathey are fraudulent advertisingAug 25 08:45
ThistleWebyou see the "good and bad of netbooks" link?Aug 25 08:45
schestowitzThey got snatched by what Microsoft calls "Foxes"Aug 25 08:45
fewamis-representationAug 25 08:45
ThistleWebit could have been written at RedmondAug 25 08:45
schestowitzSOmetimes they doAug 25 08:45
schestowitzGhostwritingAug 25 08:45
fewaThats what that BBC article wasAug 25 08:46
fewaclearlyAug 25 08:46
fewahttp://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/click_online/8155546.stmAug 25 08:46
fewaor at least highly influencedAug 25 08:46
ThistleWebsometimes they're more subtle, or could be just ill informed, but that article was very deliberate and very biasedAug 25 08:46
schestowitzNice advertAug 25 08:47
schestowitzDid Microsoft pay for it?Aug 25 08:47
schestowitzOr British taxpayers?Aug 25 08:47
ThistleWebindeed, BBC splogAug 25 08:47
ThistleWebno ideaAug 25 08:47
ThistleWebbut they did get their moneys worth on that episode of ClickAug 25 08:47
schestowitzMaybe a bit of bothAug 25 08:47
schestowitzLunch doesn't pass as freeAug 25 08:47
ThistleWeblook at the "get the best out of your netbook"Aug 25 08:47
ThistleWeban xp vidAug 25 08:47
schestowitzRory talks about having lunch with MicrodsogftAug 25 08:47
schestowitzAnd a lot of Microsoft staff joined the BBCAug 25 08:48
ThistleWebwith plenty of product placement for MS stuff, like opening WMPAug 25 08:48
schestowitzHeh.Aug 25 08:48
ThistleWebthe entire thing was ALL xp, no metion of linux at allAug 25 08:48
schestowitzOf courseAug 25 08:48
schestowitzBBBC doesn't know LinuxAug 25 08:49
ThistleWebthere's only one part I agree with on that videoAug 25 08:49
schestowitzOnly what's his name... Bill THompsonAug 25 08:49
schestowitzHe's like an alien in the empire of MSBBC\Aug 25 08:49
schestowitzBBC: piracy, stealingAug 25 08:49
schestowitzTHompson: reform, sharingAug 25 08:49
ThistleWebportableapps is brilliant if you need to use a windows pc, and it cant (or you're not allowed to boot into live Linux)Aug 25 08:49
schestowitzBBC: VIsta 7 is teh wonderful Aug 25 08:49
schestowitzThompson: there is more than Apple and Mugabesoft to computingAug 25 08:50
ThistleWebyeah Bill Thompson 's stuff is interestingAug 25 08:50
fewaThistleWeb, yeah portable apps is nice, I should make a little script to add to the firefox that makes the profiles work on linux/macAug 25 08:50
ThistleWebthey had ff3.5 before UbuntuAug 25 08:50
schestowitzbrbAug 25 08:50
ThistleWebI think it was the same day it came out, they had itAug 25 08:51
fewaof courseAug 25 08:51
ThistleWebhaving proper apps in your pocket for those times is niceAug 25 08:51
ThistleWebnotepad++Aug 25 08:51
fewaI had 3.5 far before it was releasedAug 25 08:51
ThistleWebopenofficeAug 25 08:51
fewaits easy to download and installAug 25 08:51
ThistleWebfirefox / thunderbird / vlcAug 25 08:52
fewaUbuntu putting it in archives is differn't than having it available for manual downloadAug 25 08:52
fewawhich is what portableapps isAug 25 08:52
ThistleWebthere's even guides to get utorrent, XAMPP and skype working from the USB tooAug 25 08:52
ThistleWebyou seen pendriveapps.comAug 25 08:52
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ThistleWebit's a similar thing, but just a list of individual apps, rather than a coherent suiteAug 25 08:53
fewaof course, UNIX OS's have supported this foreverAug 25 08:53
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] For the best tech news you already knew, watered down and generalized with a little MS pr (IMO)...then look no further than BBC Click.Aug 25 08:53
ThistleWebit has pendrivelinux guides too, to get sevaral distros into a thumbdriveAug 25 08:53
fewaThistleWeb, look at unetbootinAug 25 08:54
fewaor just install to a thumbdriveAug 25 08:54
ThistleWebyeah thats funky tooAug 25 08:54
fewayou don't need anything specialAug 25 08:54
fewaor long tutorialsAug 25 08:54
ThistleWebI like the idea of having a drive in fat32, with a lil distro like wolvix and portableapps, so that depending on when I plug it in (windows running or rebooting) and the hardware (able to boot from usb) I have a choiceAug 25 08:55
ThistleWebtry to reboot and get into wolvix, if that dont work at least you have portableappsAug 25 08:56
fewaI have a SD card with Linux on itAug 25 08:57
fewaand all my data, etcAug 25 08:58
fewait runs faster than off a hard driveAug 25 08:58
ThistleWebsome distros are well designed for usb live modeAug 25 08:58
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] I wonder if F.A.C.T will respond to my open questions? - Dont be silly, I'm not a paying member...what revenue is there in that?Aug 25 08:58
fewano live modeAug 25 08:58
fewathis is a real installAug 25 08:58
ThistleWebI've had probs with some in persistent modeAug 25 08:58
fewaits no differnt than running off a hard disk or SSD reallyAug 25 08:58
fewaLinux hardware detection is greatAug 25 08:58
fewaworks fineAug 25 08:58
fewawith the newer X11 which has X.org autoconfAug 25 08:59
ThistleWebhardware detection varies from distro to distro though, some are better than othersAug 25 08:59
fewaits all the sameAug 25 08:59
fewaits LinuxAug 25 08:59
fewaits all been merged these daysAug 25 08:59
fewaso its Linux + X11Aug 25 08:59
fewaand now X11 is being mergedAug 25 09:00
ThistleWebwhich is fine until you're faced with some iffy MS only wireless cardAug 25 09:00
fewaUbuntu has the restricted drivers for broadcomAug 25 09:00
ThistleWebthats what I meanAug 25 09:00
ThistleWebsome distros are better than others for that stuffAug 25 09:00
fewayou can install it in othersAug 25 09:01
ThistleWebI knowAug 25 09:01
fewaBut its restricted, so I cant blame themAug 25 09:01
ThistleWebI've found Debian based seems to be the widest coverageAug 25 09:01
fewaHardware is abou the kernel thoughAug 25 09:01
ThistleWebbetter chance of a Debian based distro finding odd hardware and getting it working that othersAug 25 09:02
fewameh I dont think you have a big enough sampleAug 25 09:02
ThistleWebmaybe notAug 25 09:02
fewaFedora workes out of the box with my emu10k1, but not with Ubuntu or DebianAug 25 09:03
ThistleWebthe only time I needed a live linux (or poratbleapps) it was on a limited number of machines, and the only issue I saw was the usb wirelessAug 25 09:03
fewaprobably mainly becuase RedHat does so much work on alsaAug 25 09:03
ThistleWebmy PC dont boot from USB and I have no need for a USB option right now, so my experience is limited latelyAug 25 09:06
ThistleWebI have an XP partition for my Zen, which gives me the option to set up portableapps if or when I need itAug 25 09:07
ThistleWebI try to spend as little time there as I can thoughAug 25 09:08
ThistleWebI love how you can strip a distro back to only have the stuff you really need for a live USB distroAug 25 09:10
ThistleWebI keep thinking Slitaz must be short of something, because of the sizeAug 25 09:12
fewavast majority of computers will boot from usb or SD cardsAug 25 09:12
ThistleWebyeah, mine is old thoughAug 25 09:13
ThistleWebbooting from USB started arriving about a year after I got mineAug 25 09:13
ThistleWebit's the norm nowAug 25 09:13
schestowitzMandriva has a product where Mandriva boot from USB HDDAug 25 09:18
schestowitzSomething like "Global trotter"Aug 25 09:19
schestowitzThey seem to focus on USB keys now, thoughAug 25 09:19
schestowitzTheir capacity is very highAug 25 09:19
schestowitzBut... alas.Aug 25 09:19
ThistleWeboooh, thats one of my boot optionsAug 25 09:19
schestowitzThe BBC won't talk about such stuffAug 25 09:19
ThistleWebI thinkAug 25 09:19
schestowitzIt's not 'healthy' for youAug 25 09:19
schestowitzPeople need to be informed about an OS from 2001Aug 25 09:19
ThistleWebI have 2 usb boot options, one is for zip drivesAug 25 09:19
schestowitzIt's 'friendly'... it's 'people-ready;'Aug 25 09:19
ThistleWebI think the other was supposed to be experimental which may or may not workAug 25 09:20
ThistleWebeither way I've tried everything I can think of, and am resigned to the fact that my PC simply wont boot from USBAug 25 09:20
ThistleWebanyhoo, I need to get some groceries, bblAug 25 09:21
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schestowitzFSF manned [sic] by womenAug 25 10:06
schestowitz:-) The FSF already has women staff. So much for those callous remarks on "sexism" and RMS...Aug 25 10:06
schestowitzhttp://www.fsf.org/Aug 25 10:06
schestowitzhttp://www.fsf.org/news/summit-on-women-in-free-softwareAug 25 10:06
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] More Monkey and MonkeyLight Business http://bit.ly/3oY7O0Aug 25 10:22
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Small Updates on ODF and OOXML http://bit.ly/goL3cAug 25 10:23
schestowitzGerman Judge: If Sex While Driving Is Legal, Why Isn't Driving While Phoning? < http://techdirt.com/articles/20090824/0248055972.shtml >Aug 25 10:24
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schestowitzWisconsin Sports League Sends Newspapers Invoices For Live Blogging < http://techdirt.com/articles/20090821/0311335953.shtml >Aug 25 10:26
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schestowitzhttp://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9137056/Windows_7_worse_on_netbook_battery_life_than_XP_?source=rss_newsAug 25 10:43
MinceRthere's a shocker ;)Aug 25 10:43
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Omar87Hello fellows?Aug 25 10:43
schestowitzHey, Omar87 Aug 25 10:43
schestowitzHow's Ramadan so far?Aug 25 10:43
Omar87schestowitz: It's great! Thanks. ;)Aug 25 10:44
Omar87schestowitz: Okay, I am very angry now.Aug 25 10:45
Omar87schestowitz: Here's why: http://arabcrunch.com/2009/08/breaking-yahoo-acquires-maktoob-the-largest-arab-portal-at-an-estimated-100-million-usd.htmlAug 25 10:45
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[scientes] BitTorrent improvement to increase speeds and decrease load with network-aware trackers and clients http://ur1.ca/acytAug 25 10:53
Omar87Now, Maktoob, the ONLY respectable IT firm in the Arab world has just become a Yahoo! backyard. No longer an independent Arab firm.Aug 25 10:54
Omar87Of course, the picture becomes even worse if you add the fact of what Yahoo! is to M$ now.Aug 25 10:55
Diablo-D3hehAug 25 11:10
Diablo-D3no one cares about the arab world thoughAug 25 11:10
Diablo-D3especially since its basically against Islam to own a computerAug 25 11:10
Omar87Diablo-D3: Hey hey hey, what your tongue okay?Aug 25 11:13
Omar87Diablo-D3: Don't yap out with nonsense that you know have no idea about.Aug 25 11:14
Diablo-D3Omar87: in the arab world, everything is against islamAug 25 11:14
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Diablo-D3including the Quran itselfAug 25 11:15
Omar87Diablo-D3: I again I'm telling you, do NOT yap out with nonsense that you have no idea about.Aug 25 11:15
Omar87Diablo-D3: Prove it!Aug 25 11:15
Omar87Diablo-D3: I'm an Arab Muslim myself and I'm telling you this is nonsense! Unless you back it up with dependable resources!Aug 25 11:16
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Diablo-D3Omar87: do you follow the Quaran?Aug 25 11:16
Omar87Diablo-D3: Yes I do.Aug 25 11:17
Diablo-D3do you preach nonviolence and peace?Aug 25 11:17
Omar87Diablo-D3: Yes I do!Aug 25 11:17
Diablo-D3then you're not the type of people I'm speaking ofAug 25 11:17
oiaohmAll religions have there bad sides.Aug 25 11:17
Diablo-D3oiaohm: this is trueAug 25 11:17
Diablo-D3the christians also have extremistsAug 25 11:18
Diablo-D3we call them "the south"Aug 25 11:18
Omar87Diablo-D3: You still haven't proven your words.Aug 25 11:18
Diablo-D3Omar87: islamist extremists blow themselves up in the name of godAug 25 11:18
Omar87oiaohm: Prove it.Aug 25 11:18
Diablo-D3until that problem goes away, no one really cares about technology in the middle eastAug 25 11:18
oiaohmOr the Spanish Crusaders .... Diablo-D3Aug 25 11:19
Diablo-D3oiaohm: they no longer exist, howeverAug 25 11:19
oiaohmHistory gives extermists different names.Aug 25 11:19
Diablo-D3anyone who kills in the name of god is an extremistAug 25 11:19
Diablo-D3no matter if they were the victor or notAug 25 11:19
Diablo-D3I look down on them all the sameAug 25 11:19
Omar87Diablo-D3: Why don't you talk about the Jews to starved the women and children. And then fried them up with white Phosphorus missiles?Aug 25 11:19
Diablo-D3Omar87: prove itAug 25 11:20
Omar87Omar87: Islam is not represented by its followers.Aug 25 11:20
oiaohmDid we say that there were not some Jew extermists.Aug 25 11:20
Diablo-D3there are very few jew extremists leftAug 25 11:20
oiaohmAll religions have some.Aug 25 11:20
Omar87http://www.islamtimes.org/images/docs/000008/n00008445-s.jpgAug 25 11:21
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Omar87Diablo-D3: Prove it.Aug 25 11:21
Diablo-D3the last time there was a major jew extremist act in history....Aug 25 11:21
Diablo-D3hmmAug 25 11:21
Diablo-D3jesus diedAug 25 11:21
Diablo-D3the jewish religion has been on a downward spiral ever sinceAug 25 11:21
oiaohmHardest regional to find extreamists in is buddhists  .Aug 25 11:21
Omar87http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/middle_east/article5519433.eceAug 25 11:21
Diablo-D3oiaohm: though technically buddism isnt a religionAug 25 11:22
oiaohmYou find jews who say the land was given to them by god so they can do anything to get it back Diablo-D3Aug 25 11:22
oiaohmEven today.Aug 25 11:22
Diablo-D3jews who say that are badly misinterpreting the word of GodAug 25 11:22
Omar87Diablo-D3: What about this image? http://www.geenstijl.nl/archives/images/fosforgroot.jpgAug 25 11:23
Diablo-D3We, humanity, are the chosen people of GodAug 25 11:23
oiaohmSame is true of all Extreamists Diablo-D3Aug 25 11:23
oiaohmIslam extreamists also badly do there text to a point is insanely wrong.Aug 25 11:23
Omar87oiaohm: Prove it.Aug 25 11:23
Diablo-D3anyone who kills, ultimately, is wrongAug 25 11:23
Omar87Diablo-D3: Even if he kills that a man who orphaned and starved him?Aug 25 11:24
Omar87Diablo-D3: Who made him homeless?Aug 25 11:25
oiaohmQuaran does not permit killing of non combat people and get the nice after life.   Ie no suicide bomb is going to a better place.Aug 25 11:25
oiaohmUnless they only killed combat people.Aug 25 11:25
Diablo-D3oiaohm: even then, combat is wrongAug 25 11:25
Omar87Diablo-D3: You fried his familly with Uranium and White Phosphorus missiles?Aug 25 11:25
Diablo-D3Omar87: the last time weapons grade uranium was used in a war was over 60 years agoAug 25 11:25
oiaohmWrong Diablo-D3Aug 25 11:26
Omar87Diablo-D3: Prove it.Aug 25 11:26
Diablo-D3oiaohm: I said weapons gradeAug 25 11:26
oiaohmGulf war USA used uranium harded weapons.Aug 25 11:26
Diablo-D3oiaohm: I said weapons gradeAug 25 11:26
Omar87Diablo-D3: Again, prove it.Aug 25 11:26
oiaohmDefine weapons grade.Aug 25 11:26
Diablo-D3the USA used depleted uranium penetrations for a short timeAug 25 11:26
oiaohmIf you mean grade to cause a nuke blast no.Aug 25 11:26
Omar87Diablo-D3: Prove it.Aug 25 11:26
Diablo-D3oiaohm: anything other than a mild radiological problemAug 25 11:27
oiaohmIf you mean grade to enhance armor cutting they were using it.Aug 25 11:27
oiaohmThat due to impact become a vapor.Aug 25 11:27
Diablo-D3it was depleted uranium used on tank shells and bunker bustersAug 25 11:27
Diablo-D3only because uranium is heavier, not because it goes boomAug 25 11:27
oiaohmSo being breathable after impact to long term harmful levels.Aug 25 11:27
Diablo-D3oiaohm: sadly, yesAug 25 11:27
Omar87Diablo-D3:Prove it.Aug 25 11:27
Diablo-D3however it was more harmful to us than anyone elseAug 25 11:28
oiaohmBasically there are two weapons grades.Aug 25 11:28
oiaohmOne for big boom.Aug 25 11:28
oiaohmOne for arm cutting.Aug 25 11:28
oiaohmBoth bad.Aug 25 11:28
Diablo-D3"gulf war syndrome" could very well be what happens when you're exposed to this stufAug 25 11:28
Diablo-D3*stuffAug 25 11:28
Omar87Diablo-D3: It caused and still causes thousands of cancer cases in Iraq.Aug 25 11:28
Diablo-D3Omar87: improper nutrition causes cancer as wellAug 25 11:29
Diablo-D3smoking causes cancerAug 25 11:29
oiaohmLack of fish oil also does not help.Aug 25 11:29
Diablo-D3people in Iraq do smokeAug 25 11:29
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oiaohmTurns out fish oil reduces effect from randion exposure.Aug 25 11:29
Omar87Diablo-D3: Not as massive as Uranium enfection.Aug 25 11:29
Diablo-D3Omar87: unfortunately, there is not much of a radiological risk in iraq anymoreAug 25 11:29
oiaohmIe how much fish to the Iraq people normally eat..Aug 25 11:29
Omar87Diablo-D3: So do people of America.Aug 25 11:29
Omar87Diablo-D3: Prove it.Aug 25 11:30
oiaohmMost of the Uranium from the war drifted into other countries.Aug 25 11:30
oiaohmSo Diablo-D3 is right on the is not much risk in iraq.Aug 25 11:30
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Omar87oiaohm: Give me a proof.Aug 25 11:31
Omar87Diablo-D3: Use of White Phosphorus in Gaza: http://images.google.jo/images?q=white%20phosphorus%20gaza&oe=utf-8&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&hl=en&tab=wiAug 25 11:31
oiaohmVapor form about 4 hours to settle.  Look at the winds at the times of the battle  Omar87Aug 25 11:31
oiaohmThe bits that were still solid were very easy to find and clean up.Aug 25 11:32
oiaohmWhere the Vapor end up is the big problem.Aug 25 11:32
Omar87oiaohm: Still you can't deny that Uranium was used massively in the terrorist American war on Iraq.Aug 25 11:33
Omar87oiaohm: And by that I mean Uranium missiles in specific.Aug 25 11:34
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oiaohmUranium harded weapons.Aug 25 11:35
oiaohmAre different to missiles.Aug 25 11:36
Omar87oiaohm: What about the Black Water mercenaries who committed masscres in Iraq?Aug 25 11:36
Omar87oiaohm: I know.Aug 25 11:36
Omar87oiaohm: But I'm talking about the missiles now.Aug 25 11:36
oiaohmThe type of Uranium use in Iraq war was not missles.Aug 25 11:36
oiaohmThere were a form of anti tank shell.Aug 25 11:36
Omar87oiaohm: Can you prove that Uranium missiles were not used in Iraq?Aug 25 11:37
oiaohmBasically arrow shapeds designed purely to cut tank armor to ribbions.Aug 25 11:37
Omar87oiaohm: Can you prove that?Aug 25 11:37
oiaohmSimple reason using a missile source risks melting the Uranium and causing a very big boom.Aug 25 11:38
oiaohmYou basically would have to be nuts to use a missile form of you don't want a boom.Aug 25 11:38
Omar87oiaohm: Can you prove that the huge number of cancer cases that happened in Iraq during the past 15 years were not cause by Uranium radiation?Aug 25 11:38
oiaohmI have not disputed that.Aug 25 11:38
oiaohmThe Uranium arrow shells when they impact release Uranium vapor.Aug 25 11:39
oiaohmWhat is really bad for anyone who was in the wind path and breathed it in.Aug 25 11:39
oiaohmThe point you have wrong is missles.  They were not missles.  its a form of tank shell.Aug 25 11:40
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oiaohmThe Iraq diet makes them weaker USA population to radiation exposure as well Omar87.Aug 25 11:41
Omar87oiaohm: So regardless of what the form of Uranium was used, you do agree that the American army is guilty for poisoning the Iraqi atmosphere (air, water and sand) with Uranium?Aug 25 11:41
oiaohmIssue here most the the Uranium has not stayed in Iraq.Aug 25 11:42
Omar87oiaohm: But being the victim of a Uranium attack and being a the user of Uranium weapon are two completely different cases Mr. oiaohm.Aug 25 11:42
oiaohmThere will be lot of areas with higher than normal cancer rates because of the war.  Including some sections of the USA.Aug 25 11:42
Omar87oiaohm: Regardless, it was used in Iraq.Aug 25 11:42
oiaohmUse in iraq did not stop are Iraq boards.Aug 25 11:43
oiaohmboarders.Aug 25 11:43
Omar87oiaohm: And you still haven't proven that part for me yet.Aug 25 11:43
oiaohmYou do know desert sands travel around the world.Aug 25 11:43
oiaohmDue to winds.Aug 25 11:44
Omar87oiaohm: That the Uranium threat in Iraq has been cleared.Aug 25 11:44
oiaohmMy point is the threat is not just Iraq.Aug 25 11:44
Omar87oiaohm: This only proves that the danger is spreading to the rest of the Arab region.Aug 25 11:44
oiaohmThe effects of that war will effect the north section of the globe for most likely the next few centories.Aug 25 11:45
oiaohmIraq was lucky the large storms that came in moved lots of the vapor from the combats to other sections.Aug 25 11:46
Omar87oiaohm: TrueAug 25 11:46
oiaohmProblem is once you have breathed it in.  It sticks in lungs.Aug 25 11:46
EruaranAustralia sells Uranium.Aug 25 11:46
oiaohmWe kinda need to get rid of it.Aug 25 11:46
oiaohmThe Uranium that we are mining was naturally leaking.Aug 25 11:46
oiaohmWe basically had a dead river.Aug 25 11:47
Omar87oiaohm: Bottom line, please tell our friend Diablo-D3 to respect himself and respect other people by not spreading unproven nonsense. And I apologize for this disturbance.Aug 25 11:48
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oiaohmSome of the Australian Uranium areas are un mineable and don't leak.  Lot of research is going on in Australia to work out how to turn Uranium into that.Aug 25 11:49
oiaohmMind you the stable and safe Uranium still can be used for power generation.Aug 25 11:49
Omar87oiaohm: However, most Uranium was and is still extracted from the souther part of Africa where people are totally neglected and are intentionally starved by the western capitalism.Aug 25 11:50
schestowitzTrueAug 25 11:50
Omar87schestowitz: Who is True?Aug 25 11:51
oiaohmOmar87 Australia has the most Uraniuam reserves.Aug 25 11:51
oiaohmyet only 3 locations are open to mining.Aug 25 11:52
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[popey] Requesting an invite for Tweetboard Alpha (http://tweetboard.com) by @140ware, for my site: http://popey.com/blogAug 25 11:52
oiaohmTwo of those locations no one wants the Uraniuam from because they are stable forms.Aug 25 11:52
oiaohmAnd would mean making power plants about 20 times bigger to get power.Aug 25 11:53
oiaohmUSA and Russia mined most of there Uranium out in the cold war.Aug 25 11:54
Omar87oiaohm: But we all know Africa is rich in Uranium, diamonds and other valuable minerals.Aug 25 11:54
EruaranIndia buys uranium from Australia.Aug 25 11:54
oiaohmAfrica will mine themselves out.Aug 25 11:54
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Omar87oiaohm: How? If they can hardly find something to eat?Aug 25 11:55
oiaohmUranium is a limited supply.Aug 25 11:56
oiaohmOnce we have used it all there will be no more.Aug 25 11:56
EruaranCorporations.Aug 25 11:56
Omar87oiaohm: So is Petroleum so, I don't see how this is relevant.Aug 25 11:56
oiaohmAustralia and bottom of ocaens most likely will be the last.Aug 25 11:56
oiaohmPetroleum is not as limited.Aug 25 11:57
oiaohmPetroleum can regenrate under the right conditions.Aug 25 11:57
oiaohmAt the rate Africa is going they will mind themselves out of all form usable Uranium in 50 years.Aug 25 11:58
oiaohmmind/mineAug 25 11:58
Omar87oiaohm: Nice! So let USA -and Isreal- buy and consume all the Uranium supply on earth and then use it to cause more and more grief to innocent people of Palestine, Iraq and Afghanistan.Aug 25 11:58
Omar87oiaohm: This way the entire world will be Uranium free in a matter of a bunch on decades!Aug 25 11:59
Omar87oiaohm: Really smart. :)Aug 25 11:59
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oiaohmNot smart at all.Aug 25 11:59
Omar87oiaohm: Well, that's what you're saying!Aug 25 11:59
oiaohmIf earth gets hit by a big rock that puts us without sunlight.  We kinda are going to wish we still had the Uranium.Aug 25 12:00
oiaohmWe are stupid.Aug 25 12:00
oiaohmWasting something that in future could save use from going the way of the dino's on pointless things like wars.Aug 25 12:01
Omar87oiaohm: Forget about the big rock. Do you approve the use of Uranium against innocent people of Palestine, Iraq and Afghanistan by the American, European and Israeli armies?Aug 25 12:02
oiaohmAfghanistan the effect of tank busters were all ready known.  And the weapon removed from use.Aug 25 12:02
fewaThey should not put the uranium in the bullet shellsAug 25 12:03
fewathat is stupidAug 25 12:03
oiaohmThey did for iraq fewaAug 25 12:03
fewathey should keep it, then it can be refined and used to make electricity in the futureAug 25 12:03
fewaoiaohm, and they continue toAug 25 12:03
fewaby breeding it into plutonium-239Aug 25 12:03
fewathen you can make electricity with itAug 25 12:04
oiaohmThat form still produces a major waste problem fewaAug 25 12:04
fewaIts not a problem when it is containedAug 25 12:04
oiaohmReally we should be just leaving it stored.Aug 25 12:04
Omar87oiaohm: Maybe it's removed now, but it was used massively in past nevertheless.Aug 25 12:04
fewaand should be storedAug 25 12:04
fewauntil there is a need for itAug 25 12:05
oiaohmRussia used some uranium based weapons in Afghanistan when they were there.Aug 25 12:05
oiaohmSame kind of stupid ideas.Aug 25 12:05
oiaohmWhat is heavy and soft and will do great damage.Aug 25 12:05
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oiaohmAnswer UraniumAug 25 12:06
oiaohmNow forget that is radio active and it seams like a good idea.Aug 25 12:06
fewanot if you keep it storedAug 25 12:06
fewaproblem in shells is that it releases alot of radioactive dustAug 25 12:06
oiaohmGold also makes great bullets as well.Aug 25 12:07
oiaohmyet the value of it kinda puts people off from using it.Aug 25 12:07
ziggyfishwhat RSS reader you guys use?Aug 25 12:07
fewadepleated uranium is actually quite expensiveAug 25 12:07
fewabut its way better than goldAug 25 12:07
fewaits self-sharpeningAug 25 12:08
fewaziggyfish, i use lifereaAug 25 12:08
fewaits OKAug 25 12:08
oiaohmNot having to store the waste from power generation makes it not that expensive fewaAug 25 12:08
ziggyfishI thought you would say that, I have used that in the past and has crashed, to the point of being unusableAug 25 12:08
fewaziggyfish, yeah it crashesAug 25 12:09
fewayou have to killall -9 liferea-binAug 25 12:09
oiaohmOmar87: I have come to the point that Humans are Idiots on adverage.  Never can think through there effect on the world past a few days.Aug 25 12:10
ziggyfishI was hoping for another RSS reader that doesn't crashAug 25 12:10
fewaziggyfish, tell me if you find one that is goodAug 25 12:10
fewakde has a number...Aug 25 12:10
oiaohmLike the USA funding the taliban to fight the russians by helping the drug trade.Aug 25 12:11
oiaohmOf course that was going to come back and bite.Aug 25 12:11
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Comes: Microsoft’s Anti-GNU/Linux Presentation and Explanation of Bribery http://ping.fm/HB1HmAug 25 12:11
ziggyfishfewa, will do, brbAug 25 12:12
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schestowitzI've drafted bits that need highlighting. People are always too lazy to read the whole thing, so in 1-2 minutes of one's attention span I want to send the message that:Aug 25 12:12
schestowitz1. Microsoft attacks Linux in secret/internal presentations, whilst accusing Linux users of "Microsoft bashing" (Microsoft hypocrisy)Aug 25 12:12
schestowitz2. Microsoft admits having minionsAug 25 12:12
schestowitz3. Microsoft seemingly endorses briberyAug 25 12:12
schestowitzhttp://boycottnovell.com/2009/08/25/microsoft-anti-linux-presentation/Aug 25 12:12
oiaohmI don't know of any uses of Uranium other than Uranium glass that have not come back and bit the use of them.Aug 25 12:13
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oiaohmWarped idea compared Microsoft to CIA and see what one comes out worse.Aug 25 12:27
schestowitzThe Goldman Sachs Dynasty < http://www.goldmansachs666.com/2009/08/goldman-sachs-dynasty.html >Aug 25 12:30
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schestowitzCIA works for the United Fruit Company :-)Aug 25 12:31
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schestowitz"Findings suppressed since 2006 detail death threats against prisoners and other methods that may constitute tortutre" http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/aug/22/cia-interrogation-report-leakedAug 25 12:38
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zzzzzzzschestowitz: Hi. I was just wondering if you now banned all people who dared to disagree with you or they just got tired with trying to argue with you? (Reason I'm asking is that I haven't seen a comment from one of your fanboys for quite some time) So, how is it?Aug 25 12:42
oiaohmzzzzzzz: funny enough I have disargreed with schestowitz from time to time and are still here.Aug 25 12:44
zzzzzzzoiaohm: nah, I mean for people like eet, lefty and the likes.Aug 25 12:45
zzzzzzzs/mean/meant/Aug 25 12:45
oiaohmNow eet and lefty got annoying repeated arguements that get proven as illogical and them bring them up 2 weeks latter thinking some how we forget what the correct answer was.Aug 25 12:46
oiaohmDisagree fine.  Don't be annoying or stupid about and you will stay here without problems.Aug 25 12:48
ziggyfishinteresting  http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9137082/Judge_overturns_2007_Unix_copyright_decision?source=rss_opsysAug 25 12:49
ziggyfishJudge overturns 2007 Unix copyright decisionAug 25 12:50
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schestowitzhttp://www.tbray.org/ongoing/When/200x/2009/08/23/Tweet-InjectionAug 25 12:50
schestowitzziggyfish: http://blogs.computerworld.com/14597/the_sco_zombie_wins_oneAug 25 12:51
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schestowitzDoctor investigated for posting inkblots to Wikipedia < http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/08/25/inkblot_wikipedia_post/ Aug 25 12:54
ziggyfishwhen is SCO going to finally die, or a least realise that  it is just a puppet and grow a backbone.Aug 25 12:55
schestowitzMicrosoft's vassal Yahoo! might not get its break. http://www.techflash.com/microsoft/Antitrust_experts_divided_on_Microsofts_Yahoo_deal_prospects_54556867.html (Antitrust experts divided as Microsoft, Yahoo seek approval)Aug 25 12:56
oiaohmYear of bsd vs novell case is kind going to be important.Aug 25 12:57
wallclimberRoy, I just finished reading the latest Comes on BN.  It's beautifully done!Aug 25 12:57
schestowitzYahoo! has just spouted some more anti-GoogleAug 25 12:57
schestowitzI wodner how many Microsoft engineers got injected into Yahoo sccne Feb 2008. Quite a few I can recall...Aug 25 12:58
schestowitzAntitrust authorities should crack down on organised crimeAug 25 12:58
schestowitzwallclimber: thanks. We have just 4 left now :-)Aug 25 12:58
schestowitzOne of which is Microsoft's McCarthyismAug 25 12:59
wallclimberI was just reading an article titled "Yahoo Search Exec: Bing Is Both Friend And Foe" http://www.crn.com/software/219401340;jsessionid=JALA2YCJBYQ01QE1GHRSKH4ATMY32JVNAug 25 12:59
wallclimberand wondering if there still might be some internal people that don't like the microsoft dealAug 25 12:59
wallclimberRoy, which one (Comes) would you like to have transcribed nest?Aug 25 13:00
wallclimber*next*Aug 25 13:00
schestowitzwallclimber: the one with MOGAug 25 13:01
schestowitzYou were working on it at the timeAug 25 13:01
oiaohmNokia entering the Windows netbook market is going to get interesting.Aug 25 13:02
ziggyfishI should really go to sleep, it is 10:09 here.Aug 25 13:02
wallclimberthat must have been before i got sick...what number was it?Aug 25 13:02
wallclimber(i'm searching for it now)Aug 25 13:03
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schestowitzwallclimber: it's here: http://boycottnovell.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/PX04081.pdf Some text in: http://www.groklaw.net/articlebasic.php?story=20070417181027290Aug 25 13:06
schestowitzA friend of mine got that text to GroklaqAug 25 13:06
schestowitzBut it's not completeAug 25 13:06
schestowitzThere's some juicy W-E stuff in thereAug 25 13:07
wallclimberGot it...yes, I remember looking at it in despair, there's a lot that's unreadable on some of the pages (if I remember right).Aug 25 13:09
wallclimber(looking at it now...brb)Aug 25 13:09
schestowitzhttp://www.ghacks.net/2009/08/24/change-default-and-preferred-applications-in-kde/Aug 25 13:09
schestowitzYes, it's small fontsAug 25 13:10
schestowitzThe hit listAug 25 13:10
schestowitzFirefox's missing throbber < http://geekblog.oneandoneis2.org/index.php/2009/08/24/firefox-s-missing-throbber >Aug 25 13:11
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wallclimberOkay, it doesn't look as bad as I remember.  Let me give it another try...Aug 25 13:12
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schestowitzWhat is this GNOME theme? http://webupd8.blogspot.com/2009/08/program-which-automatically-compiles.htmlAug 25 13:16
schestowitzwallclimber: thanks!Aug 25 13:16
schestowitz10 habits of superstitious users < http://blogs.techrepublic.com.com/10things/?p=962 > Decent article, oiaohm might agreeAug 25 13:18
schestowitzhttp://www.daniweb.com/blogs/entry4647.html "In case you didnt know, Canonical is protitable. So that makes the discussion pointless."Aug 25 13:20
schestowitzI reckoned the same thingAug 25 13:20
schestowitzNYT said Canonical makes $20mil/annumAug 25 13:20
schestowitzYet some people treat Ubuntu like a financial loserAug 25 13:20
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oiaohmYes schestowitz I strike those 10 habits all the time.Aug 25 13:21
oiaohmThey missed the 11 the machine only works perfectly for everyone else.Aug 25 13:22
wallclimberlol! 10 habits of superstitious users #5 "I Broke it" - That's me for sure.  I always assume I'm the problemAug 25 13:26
oiaohmI always assume someone somewhere broke it.Aug 25 13:27
oiaohmProgrammer hardware designer user or admin.Aug 25 13:27
oiaohmSomeone is resonsiable.Aug 25 13:27
oiaohmThe question is working out who screwed up.Aug 25 13:27
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wallclimberwell, after so many years of reading comments about how stupid "grandma" is, I'm afraid i believed it.  So, I always assume I'm the problem.  It doesn't stop me from doing things anyway, it's just that I always figure I'm the weakest link when it comes to computer problemsAug 25 13:29
wallclimberthat's why I can personally attest to the fact that Windows is too difficult for grandma... :)Aug 25 13:31
wallclimber(I should start using better punctuation)Aug 25 13:33
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schestowitzWindows is too dificult for BallmerAug 25 13:41
schestowitzHe couldn't fix iAug 25 13:41
schestowitzNeeded to call several Microsoft employees to do itAug 25 13:41
wallclimberyes, i remember that incidentAug 25 13:41
schestowitzAnd he uses Excel to manage appointmentAug 25 13:41
schestowitzAPparently he doesn't know what spreadhsheets ae forAug 25 13:41
schestowitzThe point being, many people can't cope with computersAug 25 13:42
schestowitzBallmer is a salesmanAug 25 13:42
schestowitzHe doesn't understand much more than "evangelism" and signing/bribing for big contractsAug 25 13:42
wallclimberlol...i've never used excel for anything. i don't do office stuff...ever.Aug 25 13:42
schestowitzI wonder why kids are taught Office et allAug 25 13:43
schestowitzIt's like they are pushed into being dumb people who use the notorious method of presenting ideas-- presentationAug 25 13:43
schestowitzThe kids are turned into clients of status quo and corporocracyAug 25 13:43
wallclimberteaching kids "MSOffice" so they can become better office drones, is like teaching kids how to flip burgers so they can work at McDonaldsAug 25 13:44
schestowitzA lot of kids are being told that "they know computers" because they were taught to memorise menu items and maybe learned how to move a mouse along the wayAug 25 13:44
wallclimberyes, i've had people tell me that i really *need* to learn Office...Aug 25 13:45
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] hotlinker of the year http://twitpic.com/ekkwz the sort of thing that inspires http://is.gd/2xX2x http://is.gd/2xXgAAug 25 13:45
wallclimberthey can't believe anyone that uses computers (for real work) doesn't even have Office installedAug 25 13:46
Omar871schestowitz: What do you think of the Yahoo! Maktoob deal?Aug 25 13:47
schestowitzhttp://www.howtoforge.com/installing-the-sugar-desktop-environment-on-ubuntu-9.04Aug 25 13:49
schestowitzwallclimber: Microsoft is now sponsoring thatAug 25 13:50
schestowitz"Elevate America" they call itAug 25 13:50
schestowitzThey 'donate' Office trainingfAug 25 13:50
schestowitzThey have done the same thing at school, claiming credit ('charity') for addicting peopleAug 25 13:50
schestowitzOmar871: Yahoo! is Microsoft's puppetAug 25 13:51
schestowitzIt's like Microsoft bought Maktoob without pissing off the Maktoob crowdAug 25 13:51
schestowitzWait until you get a "Bong" search bar in all pagesAug 25 13:51
schestowitzLots of Silver Lie, too! :-)Aug 25 13:51
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Omar871schestowitz: Yeah man.Aug 25 13:52
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Omar871schestowitz: I'm very disgusted now.Aug 25 13:52
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schestowitzit's like when Microsoft bought XenAug 25 13:53
schestowitzIt used CitrixAug 25 13:53
schestowitzhttp://www.dabcc.com/article.aspx?id=11611Aug 25 13:53
Omar871schestowitz: The biggest Arabian achievement in the IT field no longer belongs to them now.. ><Aug 25 13:53
Omar871brbAug 25 13:53
schestowitzOmar871: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2006/11/07/gates_buys_four_seasons/Aug 25 13:54
wallclimberwhat are the odds (I wonder) that the anti-trust folks won't approve the MS Yahoo deal?Aug 25 13:54
wallclimberhow big a fit will ballmer throw if the deal isn't approved?Aug 25 13:54
wallclimberthat could be interesting...Aug 25 13:55
schestowitzAnd Sys-Con defames me http://aralbalkan.com/2056Aug 25 13:57
schestowitzTimely, very timleyAug 25 13:57
schestowitzfor that COmes exhibitsAug 25 13:57
schestowitzThis one has just pinged BN: Did Google Just Slap Ulitzer.com? < http://www.hobo-web.co.uk/seo-blog/index.php/did-google-just-slap-ulitzer-com/ >Aug 25 13:57
schestowitzwallclimber: won't happenAug 25 13:58
schestowitzConnie and SAtsve Ballmer bribes ObamaAug 25 13:58
schestowitzTHey can now make a phonecallAug 25 13:58
schestowitzGet that favour back, if you know what I emanAug 25 13:58
schestowitzhttp://boycottnovell.com/2008/12/30/obama-takes-it-personally/Aug 25 13:58
wallclimberyes...campaign donations can buy a lot of helpful things...sadly.Aug 25 13:59
wallclimberbut one can always hope...Aug 25 13:59
wallclimberMS makes lots of donations, but it also makes a lot of enemies...Aug 25 14:00
schestowitzhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-mKrIhuPfe4&feature=relatedAug 25 14:00
schestowitzYes, Microsoft does donateAug 25 14:02
schestowitzNot to charity or to schools (that's addictionware)Aug 25 14:02
schestowitzIt donates to politiciansAug 25 14:02
trmanco"0pm Aug24 - hotmail refuses to let me see my inbox, instead it's sending meAug 25 14:02
trmancoto the moronic BING search page... I vow to boycott bing for life. Where'sAug 25 14:02
trmancomy goddamn inbox?Aug 25 14:02
trmancoAnyone else having this problem?"Aug 25 14:02
schestowitzBut it's no donation either, it's legalise briberyAug 25 14:02
schestowitztrmanco: link?Aug 25 14:03
trmancohttp://groups.google.com/group/24hoursupport.helpdesk/browse_thread/thread/2582ed0f140774e8#Aug 25 14:03
schestowitztessier: I've just redirected a potential customer to copilotco.com . They have had issues with a host.Aug 25 14:07
schestowitzCentOS 4.8 released < http://www.heise.de/english/newsticker/news/144221 >Aug 25 14:08
schestowitztrmanco: there was a similar incident around JanuaryAug 25 14:09
schestowitzPeople saw blank inboxesAug 25 14:09
trmanconow they see bingAug 25 14:09
trmancowhich is even more frustratingAug 25 14:09
schestowitz"A bug in the Firewall Services Module (FWSM) software allows Cisco routers and switches to be disabled by a series of crafted ICMP packets." http://www.heise.de/english/newsticker/news/144225Aug 25 14:12
schestowitztrmanco: Microsoft redirects lot of traffic there, for the slogAug 25 14:12
schestowitzLater they brag about growth and stuff and try to make it stickAug 25 14:12
schestowitzwallclimber: "Hey, my grandma uses Linux! Not on that Dell piece of crap, though..." http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/1530558/ubuntu-broken-dell-inspiron-miniAug 25 14:13
cubezzzDell isn't too bad, I had a D610 at one timeAug 25 14:15
cubezzzran Fedora 10 on itAug 25 14:15
schestowitzFundamentalist Christian dating site hacked < http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/1530554/fundamentalist-christian-dating-site-hacked >Aug 25 14:15
schestowitzI have a Dell at work. It worked OK.Aug 25 14:15
schestowitzSince 2004 and beforeAug 25 14:15
schestowitzBut Dell needed to be informed to fix those bugsAug 25 14:15
cubezzzthere are only 3 or 4 primary manufacturers for laptopsAug 25 14:15
schestowitzEven in the past they sent out these units in a semi-cooked stateAug 25 14:16
schestowitzThey need to watch hardware correctlyAug 25 14:16
cubezzzyeah, since they seem to be selling ubuntu on some of their boxesAug 25 14:16
schestowitzNow toss Ubuntu on some WIndows-oriented existing h/wAug 25 14:16
*cubezzz nodsAug 25 14:16
wallclimberlol...THIS grandma generally builds her own computers.  I just wish there was a way to build my own laptop...Aug 25 14:16
cubezzzit's a start :)Aug 25 14:16
oiaohmYou can build your own labtop wallclimberAug 25 14:17
wallclimberreally?Aug 25 14:17
schestowitzwallclimber: http://www.geeky-gadgets.com/nintendo-n64-laptop-casemod-10-08-2009/Aug 25 14:17
cubezzztrue manufacturers: Asus, MSI and LenovoAug 25 14:17
oiaohmRemmeber Labtops are not small or light wallclimberAug 25 14:17
wallclimberlol...cute.Aug 25 14:17
cubezzzeveryone else is a rebranderAug 25 14:17
schestowitzWindows 7: http://www.youritronics.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/03/diy-laptop-in-wooden-box.jpgAug 25 14:18
wallclimberi have laptops here, but they were given to me because they were "dead" (killed by Windows)Aug 25 14:18
schestowitzIt'll 'kill' Linux on netbooks, says... well, MicrosoftAug 25 14:18
cubezzzdamn, Daemon isn't here to tell us about Windows 7 ;)Aug 25 14:19
schestowitzCrafty: http://zedomax.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2007/02/fynk5zrpr5erie2psnmedium.jpgAug 25 14:19
schestowitzI think he's still bannedAug 25 14:19
schestowitzfewa / MinceR didn't unban himAug 25 14:19
fewayepAug 25 14:20
schestowitzhttp://www.instablogsimages.com/images/2009/02/04/9_yXoVm_54.jpg http://www.redferret.net/wp-content/uploads/2007/08/diylaptop_small1.jpgAug 25 14:20
fewahe was particularly rashAug 25 14:20
wallclimberlol...yes, daemon is like a rash...Aug 25 14:20
fewaHe tried to spread lies that WGA didnAug 25 14:21
fewa't do things it clearly doesAug 25 14:21
wallclimberwell, it's been fun, but work calls (deadline looming this morning) must get to work...take care all...Aug 25 14:22
fewahe really made himself seem like a Microsoft employeeAug 25 14:22
fewaIs the log published or should i paste?Aug 25 14:22
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cubezzzI don't understand why he talked about using Windows all the time, especially in hereAug 25 14:23
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] 3rd int at one place yesterday, 2nd int at another today ... more! more! dammit! *crosses fingers*Aug 25 14:23
fewaWell if you read the log he sure looks like a MS employeeAug 25 14:23
schestowitzMobile snooping for everyone in weeks < http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/08/25/gsm_cracked/ > Yeah... that's why EVERYONE must have a cellphone. Who needs RFID anyway?Aug 25 14:24
cubezzzfewa: he didn't seem 100% pro-microsoft thoughAug 25 14:24
schestowitzfewa: please showAug 25 14:24
schestowitzBut I doubt he's in collusion with MicrosoftAug 25 14:25
schestowitzcubezzz: he used to be worse. he advertise Bing tooAug 25 14:25
schestowitzIt's like buzz marketingAug 25 14:25
schestowitzAnd linux bashingAug 25 14:25
fewahttp://pastebin.com/m1ee4c16Aug 25 14:25
oiaohmDaemon remined me of a Microsoft Brainwashed Professional.Aug 25 14:26
oiaohmThey know enough to hate it but not enough to see out side clearly.Aug 25 14:27
fewahttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stockholm_syndromeAug 25 14:27
schestowitzWhat a waste of technological effort. http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/08/25/us_navy_bottom_grooming_bot/Aug 25 14:30
schestowitzHow much is spent there on military per year? One billion?Aug 25 14:30
fewaa drop in the bucket compared to the USAug 25 14:30
schestowitzThey should take better care of education and healthcareAug 25 14:30
fewathe US spends half the world's military budgetAug 25 14:31
schestowitzMoe government control in Twitter: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/08/25/police_6_consulting/Aug 25 14:31
schestowitzfewa: more thanAug 25 14:32
fewaI think its about halfAug 25 14:32
schestowitzhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y5IwGmHTXcE&feature=PlayList&p=8A140F057F5C7762&index=28&playnext=6&playnext_from=PLAug 25 14:32
fewaThats 5% of the population having 50% of the military budgetAug 25 14:33
schestowitzMore than 50%Aug 25 14:34
schestowitzUnless it has changedAug 25 14:34
schestowitzWhat about wealth?Aug 25 14:34
schestowitzHow much does top 5% control?Aug 25 14:34
schestowitz70%?Aug 25 14:34
schestowitzWidening tooAug 25 14:34
oiaohmEven that USA spends huge ammounts of money on R&D in military they get a very poor return in tech for money spent.Aug 25 14:35
fewawith wealth its all about the top 1% of 1%Aug 25 14:35
fewaThats where the wealth isAug 25 14:35
schestowitzThe "war on terror" was officially declared a while later to protect thisAug 25 14:35
schestowitzOver 1 million people in the "terror suspect" list in the USAug 25 14:35
schestowitzIncluding white males and females who protest against invasionsAug 25 14:35
fewaoiaohm, although lots of the real tech from the 20th century was from the militaryAug 25 14:36
fewamilitary funding of high research in the US is why US is ahead, or has beenAug 25 14:36
schestowitzfewa: what? the Teflon?Aug 25 14:37
schestowitzThe classic scamAug 25 14:37
fewaThe InternetAug 25 14:37
schestowitzJustify trillions in spendingsAug 25 14:37
fewaeven Chomsky says thisAug 25 14:37
schestowitzWasn't the Internet also academia-related?Aug 25 14:37
fewayesAug 25 14:37
fewaveryAug 25 14:37
schestowitzI think it's a bit of bothAug 25 14:37
fewaacademia and military is the same at the top echelonsAug 25 14:37
oiaohmMetal storm and ship cloaking are both Australian techs developed on the cheep.Aug 25 14:37
fewaat least MIT where chomsky isAug 25 14:37
schestowitzThe Internet, ironically enough, is used to challenge some of those who backed itAug 25 14:37
schestowitzhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vUp4fyzGQIc&feature=relatedAug 25 14:37
fewathrough his term thereAug 25 14:37
oiaohmIe you cannot hide a ship signature and have a normal weapons platform.Aug 25 14:38
oiaohmso you alter ship so it can take on a signature of another ship.Aug 25 14:38
fewaAlot of the reason for it is to keep the intellectuals from changing anythingAug 25 14:38
oiaohmAt will.Aug 25 14:38
fewagiving them great freedomAug 25 14:38
oiaohmThere are a lot of USA research projects trying to do the impossiable.Aug 25 14:39
fewawell the US elite have gone over the topAug 25 14:39
fewaas the crisis is comingAug 25 14:39
fewaThe post-WW2 boom is coming to an endAug 25 14:39
fewaoiaohm, europeans tooAug 25 14:40
oiaohmUSA mill forget something key.   You stand on the sholders of giants when you want to see futher than anyone less.Aug 25 14:40
oiaohmIe progressive development.Aug 25 14:40
oiaohmNot leap of faith development.Aug 25 14:40
schestowitzChina ftwAug 25 14:41
schestowitz:-pAug 25 14:41
oiaohmChina is using progressive.Aug 25 14:41
fewaAs I said, the post-WW2 academia is falling apartAug 25 14:41
fewachina copies the USAug 25 14:41
schestowitzBut they have WIPO and WTOAug 25 14:41
schestowitzAnd NWO :-)Aug 25 14:41
schestowitzANd WB and CFRAug 25 14:41
fewaschestowitz, exactly, they copy US elites exactlyAug 25 14:41
oiaohmIts also like the australian survaliance drones.Aug 25 14:41
schestowitzIMF...Aug 25 14:42
fewathey want to do the same, however the earth can't take the burdenAug 25 14:42
schestowitzChina chokes the US with loansAug 25 14:42
oiaohmUsa mill spent billions trying to make unpolited plans land.Aug 25 14:42
schestowitzNow they can buy off the US, Which they doAug 25 14:42
schestowitzAnd they stopped the loans, which strangles the USAug 25 14:42
oiaohmAustralian drones cheat.  catch on to cable and use that to land.Aug 25 14:42
fewaThe US has surpluses and owned lots of foreign debt tooAug 25 14:42
fewa*hadAug 25 14:42
schestowitzDid it?Aug 25 14:43
schestowitzWeirdAug 25 14:43
schestowitzSpend all the interest on weapons and basdAug 25 14:43
fewalong time agoAug 25 14:43
schestowitz*basesAug 25 14:43
fewaBush family owned lots of the Nazi regimeAug 25 14:43
schestowitzWell, at least they'll always have some exotic resorts in OkinawaAug 25 14:43
fewaall the US rich didAug 25 14:43
Diablo-D3http://rss.slashdot.org/~r/Slashdot/slashdot/~3/eR1wpW2g4-U/Appeals-Court-Overturns-2007-Unix-Copyright-DecisionAug 25 14:43
Diablo-D3FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFAug 25 14:43
schestowitzEven ages after the war it overAug 25 14:43
Diablo-D3FUCKING MICROSOFTAug 25 14:43
fewaduring and right before the depressionAug 25 14:43
schestowitzMicrosoft?Aug 25 14:43
Diablo-D3schestowitz: read articleAug 25 14:44
fewaIBM, Coca-cola/fanta, Standard OilAug 25 14:44
schestowitzhttp://www.sltrib.com/business/ci_13193725Aug 25 14:44
schestowitzWhere's Microsoft?Aug 25 14:44
schestowitz[this time around]Aug 25 14:44
fewaThe commendeering of efficient German engineering and industryAug 25 14:45
neighborleefewa, cheney didnt help much..as we're seeing in the news now but then few didn't see it comingAug 25 14:45
fewaneighborlee, most important thing for the masses is to not let the elites run this country, run it into the ground for their own interestsAug 25 14:46
neighborleewell for that to happen it might take a revolutionAug 25 14:46
oiaohmHmmAug 25 14:46
neighborleewe'll see how much obama can get done :)Aug 25 14:46
schestowitzObama Will Change Everything{TM}Aug 25 14:47
schestowitz[and Biden *LOL*]Aug 25 14:47
oiaohm1994 was the bsd settlement.Aug 25 14:47
fewalawlAug 25 14:47
fewayou just have to choose your elites correctlyAug 25 14:47
fewalook at FDRAug 25 14:47
neighborleethis nix thing willl remind everyone that mono really is not anything to mess with..if this doesn't I dont know what wouldAug 25 14:47
fewaThe figure head is differn't from the policies that are implamentedAug 25 14:48
oiaohmCould get interesting it would be a funny rulling if the judge rules that Novell did not own Unix but BSD does.Aug 25 14:48
cubezzzwow, it never endsAug 25 14:48
neighborleeoiaohm, lolAug 25 14:49
schestowitzThat's the goalAug 25 14:49
schestowitzMicrosoft will carry on feeding SCOAug 25 14:49
neighborleeof courseAug 25 14:49
schestowitzRemember the Norris-Microsoft potential connections.Aug 25 14:49
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] Photo: we love hotlinkers with a love only hans reiser could appreciate http://dailyphoto.today.com/?p=121Aug 25 14:49
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schestowitzhttp://boycottnovell.com/wiki/index.php/SCOAug 25 14:50
schestowitzhttp://boycottnovell.com/wiki/index.php/SCO#February_2008:_Norris_Cash_Injection_Raises_QuestionsAug 25 14:51
fewaschestowitz, http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x8uysv_noam-chomsky-on-the-economy-and-dem_animalsAug 25 14:51
schestowitzThanks. WiIl watch it later.Aug 25 14:51
fewaIt should be noted that the past really doesn't set the future eitherAug 25 14:53
fewaeven if tech came from military, I find it doubtful that US military will create anything in the coming futureAug 25 14:53
fewaas everything is mercenary nowAug 25 14:53
oiaohmmercenary has its problems.Aug 25 14:54
fewaIt has no bearings on goalsAug 25 14:54
fewaCan you win hearts and minds of Iraqis when you import workers from the philipines even when Iraq has huge unemployment?Aug 25 14:55
fewaschestowitz, Chomsky say it too: healthcare is the 800 lb elephant in the room, military budget #2Aug 25 14:56
fewaThis health care debate is not just about coverage, its about the economic sustainability of the countryAug 25 14:56
schestowitzfewa: or when you rebuild (for profit) what you destoroyed in air striksAug 25 14:58
schestowitzAnd then create debt to be used against the population, when claimed funds don't even reach the people, let alone constructionAug 25 14:58
schestowitzfewa: not himAug 25 14:59
schestowitzThe population says soAug 25 14:59
schestowitzThe polls suggest thisAug 25 14:59
schestowitzBut it's off the table in electionsAug 25 14:59
fewaThey ordered a locally-owned cell-phone network, and offered a no-bid contract to AT&T to build a US-style (where else in middle east is there US-style), patent-encumbered systemAug 25 14:59
schestowitzAs he says, people vote based on questions like "does he look in your eye when he talks? Would you like to hang out with him in a bar?"Aug 25 15:00
fewaThey are manufacturing themselves monopoliesAug 25 15:00
schestowitz /s/themselves/their buddies from Harvard/Aug 25 15:00
fewa& YaleAug 25 15:00
schestowitzYeah, whatever :-)Aug 25 15:00
schestowitzI want to finish watching this one: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rYrmHhxZI2w&feature=related I'm half way throughAug 25 15:01
schestowitzIt become off in the middleAug 25 15:01
schestowitzThe whole unrealistic visionAug 25 15:01
schestowitzWhere people don't workAug 25 15:01
schestowitzAs if robots build themselvesAug 25 15:02
schestowitzThey are no organismsAug 25 15:02
schestowitzIt ignored labour as need for constructionAug 25 15:02
schestowitzConstruction workers probably do the most work in societyAug 25 15:02
schestowitzWork that countsAug 25 15:02
schestowitzFactory workers and minersAug 25 15:02
schestowitzYet they are paid the leastAug 25 15:02
fewaExactly, America'a highly skilled workforceAug 25 15:03
fewahighly-trainedAug 25 15:03
fewahighly-capableAug 25 15:03
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] Man Uses Geek Squad Badge To Impersonate Cop, Coerce Sex Out Of Prostitute http://is.gd/2y1Pv o_0 o_0 o_0Aug 25 15:03
fewahttp://www.democracynow.org/2009/7/3/noam_chomsky_on_crisis_and_hopeAug 25 15:04
schestowitzBertrand Arthur William Russell explained that there are tow types of jobs; ones of telling people what do do, and those who do stuff (moving of matter)Aug 25 15:04
schestowitzhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OziPcicgmbw&feature=relatedAug 25 15:04
fewa^talks about workforceAug 25 15:04
schestowitz“Astroturf Activism”: Leaked Memo Reveals Oil Industry Effort to Stage Rallies Against Climate Legislation < http://www.democracynow.org/2009/8/21/astroturf_activism_leaked_memo_reveals_oil >Aug 25 15:06
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fewaworkforce at ~46:00Aug 25 15:06
schestowitzhttp://www.planetoss.com/detail.php?id=23Aug 25 15:07
schestowitz Canonical Contributing Too Little to Kernel Development? < http://www.linux-magazine.com/Online/News/Canonical-Contributing-Too-Little-to-Kernel-Development >Aug 25 15:08
oiaohmPeople ask the wrong questions.Aug 25 15:09
oiaohmKernel needs complier.Aug 25 15:09
oiaohmDevelopment in one with out the other does cause issues.Aug 25 15:09
schestowitzhttp://www.wired.com/thisdayintech/2009/08/0825-torvalds-starts-linuxAug 25 15:10
schestowitzhttp://elevenislouder.blogspot.com/2009/08/what-we-use.htmlAug 25 15:10
fewaand then talks about capital flight, something that Americans have alot of experience withAug 25 15:12
fewaand is hurting our economy immenselyAug 25 15:12
fewacase in point: Microsoft threats to ObamaAug 25 15:12
fewaschestowitz, the tech stuff is at 29:00Aug 25 15:18
fewawell sort ofAug 25 15:18
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thenixedreportHey guys.Aug 25 15:24
thenixedreportI have a question for everyone.Aug 25 15:25
cubezzzhmmm, so Novell actually paid $300 million to Unix System LaboratoriesAug 25 15:25
cubezzzin 1993Aug 25 15:25
thenixedreportOn a netbook, does the crond service really need to be enabled?Aug 25 15:26
thenixedreportI'd also like to know if it would be safe to disable the netfs service as well.Aug 25 15:27
cubezzzthenixedreport, some Linuxes don't use crondAug 25 15:27
cubezzzembedix for exampleAug 25 15:27
thenixedreportDoes CentOS use it?Aug 25 15:27
fewayou can stop itAug 25 15:27
thenixedreportOk.Aug 25 15:28
fewaperhaps check what type of jobs it doesAug 25 15:28
fewaat /etc/cron.*Aug 25 15:28
fewaremove the init symlinks that start itAug 25 15:28
cubezzzslocate is probably the biggest pigAug 25 15:29
fewabut realistically, my server has been up 10 days (i have power outage) and only used 1.76 seconds of CPU timeAug 25 15:30
fewaand 180k non-shared memAug 25 15:30
thenixedreporthttp://pastebin.com/m4ac3e156Aug 25 15:31
thenixedreportThat's what happens when I did the ls command.Aug 25 15:32
cubezzzjust think if Microsoft had bought Unix System Laboratories (shudder)Aug 25 15:32
fewaif you don't want to understand the system internals you probably should leave cron onAug 25 15:32
thenixedreportHmm...Aug 25 15:32
thenixedreportInteresting.Aug 25 15:32
thenixedreportWhat about netfs lock?Aug 25 15:33
fewacron does maintence workAug 25 15:33
fewaupdate package lists, rotate logs, etcAug 25 15:33
thenixedreportI don't have any shared drives on any servers or anything.Aug 25 15:33
cubezzzhe could make slocate run once a week instead of every dayAug 25 15:33
cubezzzyeah, unless it's a really small Linux, everybody uses crondAug 25 15:34
thenixedreportOk.Aug 25 15:35
thenixedreportI'm looking at netfs lock.Aug 25 15:35
thenixedreportI mean nfslock.Aug 25 15:35
thenixedreportlolAug 25 15:35
thenixedreport(I need to learn how to read)Aug 25 15:35
fewajust unstall nfsAug 25 15:36
thenixedreportOk.Aug 25 15:36
fewaor use nfs kernel serverAug 25 15:36
fewaI'm not sure what that itAug 25 15:36
fewabut it could be the userspace nfs serverAug 25 15:36
thenixedreportIt's running on my Acer Aspire One ZG5 netbook, so I doubt I'll need it at this point.Aug 25 15:36
thenixedreportThere's also pcscd.Aug 25 15:37
thenixedreportI'm assuming that would come in handy for SD cards and whatnot.Aug 25 15:37
fewamost critical things for performance is what desktop environment you useAug 25 15:39
fewaand not loading it up with crap like monoAug 25 15:40
cubezzzNFS ftw :)Aug 25 15:40
cubezzzvery fastAug 25 15:40
fewaas daemonAug 25 15:40
fewacubezzz, but is that the userspace server he has?Aug 25 15:40
thenixedreportI stopped the nfslock service.Aug 25 15:40
fewai use the nfs kernel server and have never seen that daemonAug 25 15:40
thenixedreportI'm running CentOS 5.3 on my netbook.Aug 25 15:41
thenixedreportIf that helps answer the question.Aug 25 15:41
cubezzzyour doing server stuff on a netbook?Aug 25 15:41
thenixedreportUnfortunately, Caitlyn Martin never defined what services she disabled...Aug 25 15:41
thenixedreportWhen she briefly did her CentOS netbook experiment.Aug 25 15:41
thenixedreportSo I'm trying to figure out what services can be safely axed and whatnot.Aug 25 15:41
fewafocus on packages which have services, not just stopping the servicesAug 25 15:42
cubezzzCentOS seems rather a heavy Linux, yes?Aug 25 15:43
thenixedreportYes, but I figured that after all the fuss about not recommending it anymore...Aug 25 15:44
thenixedreportI figured I'd give it a go.Aug 25 15:44
thenixedreport:)Aug 25 15:44
thenixedreportIt can be made to work.Aug 25 15:44
thenixedreportIt's just that old code has to be tolerated for the most part.Aug 25 15:44
cubezzzperhaps something inbetween NFS and CentOS :)Aug 25 15:44
thenixedreportI don't use smartcards anyway, so I'll disable pcscd for now.Aug 25 15:45
thenixedreportI'm also assuming that I can safely disable portmap, right?Aug 25 15:46
thenixedreportThe netbook isn't a server or anything like that.Aug 25 15:46
thenixedreportObviously, I'll leave sendmail on in case I use Thunderbird.Aug 25 15:50
thenixedreport:)Aug 25 15:50
thenixedreportI may actually start the wpa_supplicant service though.Aug 25 15:51
thenixedreportI believe on the secured networks on campus uses WPA.Aug 25 15:51
thenixedreportI'll have to double check first.Aug 25 15:51
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schestowitzhttp://www.ghacks.net/?attachment_id=15717Aug 25 15:57
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schestowitzThat's a nice windows decoration. http://www.ghacks.net/?attachment_id=15717Aug 25 15:57
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[popey] Blog post: Come to !oggcamp http://bit.ly/15ggXUAug 25 16:05
schestowitzhttp://www.novell.com/prblogs/?p=1134Aug 25 16:08
ThistleWebI found another mono app yesterdayAug 25 16:10
ThistleWebit looked quite promising tooAug 25 16:10
ThistleWebsmuxi, a "lightweight dep free gtk irc gui client"Aug 25 16:11
ThistleWebwasnt until I went to install it that I saw it wanted a heap of libmono depsAug 25 16:11
ThistleWebmind you, I should have spotted the signs, since the screenshots were mostly logged into the arch, debian and mono irc channelsAug 25 16:12
ThistleWebI thought it might make a nice alternative to xchat, but if it needs mono to run too, it's not gonna be as light, nor is it anywhere near as featurefull, let alone the whole mono debateAug 25 16:13
ThistleWebthey're not exactly shouting mono from the rooftops either, no mention on the main page, only in the FAQAug 25 16:15
ThistleWebor when you go to install it and mono ain't already on your systemAug 25 16:15
ThistleWebI guess "dependency free" assumes you already have monoAug 25 16:15
schestowitzTypicalAug 25 16:19
schestowitzCheeseAug 25 16:19
ThistleWebfor what it's worth it looked like quite a nice lil lightweight app, pity it's monoAug 25 16:19
schestowitzAlthough IIRC only plugins were the culpritsAug 25 16:19
ThistleWebI was almost tempted to install it anyway to see what it's like, but decided it wasn't worth it and cancelled the installAug 25 16:20
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[scientes] The internet has made everything into an RPG. http://ur1.ca/adtxAug 25 16:23
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[popey] Apple blocking anything but quicktime from viewing trailers? http://bit.ly/mjV3AAug 25 16:33
schestowitzWhat is Bartzmer doing? http://www.webpronews.com/topnews/2009/08/25/yahoo-to-launch-arabic-versions-of-its-propertiesAug 25 16:43
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] RT @popey]Apple blocking anything but quicktime from viewing trailers? http://bit.ly/mjV3AAug 25 16:45
schestowitzhttp://www.webpronews.com/topnews/2009/08/25/opera-announces-release-candidate-for-new-browser-versionAug 25 16:48
schestowitzhttp://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/08/25/yahoo_to_buy_maktoob/Aug 25 16:49
schestowitzhttp://www.groklaw.net/comment.php?mode=display&sid=20090824142203182&title=Why+openSUSE+went+for+KDE&type=article&order=&hideanonymous=0&pid=781542#c781563Aug 25 16:52
schestowitzSmoking iMac caught on camera < http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2009/08/25/smoking_imac_video/ >Aug 25 16:53
MinceRssssmokin'!Aug 25 16:55
schestowitzBBC advertises Windows again *Sigh* http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/8219741.stmAug 25 16:56
schestowitzFail. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/news/6081955/Apple-to-launch-Snow-Leopard-on-Friday.htmlAug 25 16:59
schestowitzThey can't do serversAug 25 16:59
schestowitzfans play, not workAug 25 16:59
schestowitzWhat type of person buys Macs to run Web sites?Aug 25 16:59
MinceRan iDiotAug 25 17:00
ThistleWebI've seen the odd Darwin serverAug 25 17:01
schestowitzAggh. Linux Today is linking to a Microsoft shills: http://www.linuxtoday.com/news_story.php3?ltsn=2009-08-25-013-35-NW-BZ-LLAug 25 17:01
ThistleWebnot very oftenAug 25 17:01
schestowitzThe title is revealing.Aug 25 17:01
schestowitzAndrew Thomas is a buddy of MicrosoftAug 25 17:01
MinceRlolAug 25 17:01
MinceRsomeone still listens to $co's lies?Aug 25 17:01
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schestowitzyes, the Microsoft people evidentlyAug 25 17:02
_Hicham_and the BN people alsoAug 25 17:03
_Hicham_hi schestowitzAug 25 17:03
ThistleWebI wonder if peeps who buy Mac servers do it for cred points among other Macheads who know how to checkAug 25 17:03
schestowitz_Hicham_: you guys got sold outAug 25 17:03
schestowitzTo Microsoft's pet puppet, BartzmerAug 25 17:03
_Hicham_schestowitz : how is that ?Aug 25 17:04
ThistleWeblike it adds cred to the Apple-fan-scale if your server claims to run on DarwinAug 25 17:04
schestowitz http://www.webpronews.com/topnews/2009/08/25/yahoo-to-launch-arabic-versions-of-its-propertiesAug 25 17:04
schestowitzYay. They'll bring Bong and Silver LieAug 25 17:04
schestowitzhttp://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/08/25/yahoo_to_buy_maktoob/Aug 25 17:04
ThistleWebbesides it'll have fancy GUI config stuff just like Windows serverAug 25 17:04
MinceRi doubt that many iDiots know how to check thatAug 25 17:04
ThistleWebmany won't but a few willAug 25 17:04
schestowitzhttp://www.linuxtoday.com/news_story.php3?ltsn=2009-08-25-013-35-NW-BZ-LL-0000Aug 25 17:05
schestowitz"UNIX(*) is a specification maintained by the OpenAug 25 17:05
schestowitzGroup and available for free on the web, seeAug 25 17:05
schestowitz.Aug 25 17:05
schestowitzhttp://www.opengroup.orgAug 25 17:05
schestowitz.Aug 25 17:05
schestowitzWhat TSG claims to own is the code of the originalAug 25 17:05
schestowitzUNIX(*)-implementation, started by AT&T/ Bell Labs inAug 25 17:05
schestowitz1969. "Aug 25 17:05
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MinceRwho the hell is TSG now?Aug 25 17:06
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] i hate my laptop's dead battery. want a netbook. NOW MUMMY.Aug 25 17:11
schestowitzDO not want!Aug 25 17:14
_Hicham_schestowitz : Obama's Greeting for Muslims http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1R4KfYuDrvU&feature=relatedAug 25 17:14
schestowitzI should probably make a post about SCOAug 25 17:15
schestowitzDamn. It has begun raining again. I don't feel like going out again.. and it's _August_!Aug 25 17:17
schestowitzIt rains in Switzerland too todayAug 25 17:17
MinceRoh, TSG must be The $co GroupAug 25 17:18
MinceRbetter rename it to TTG (The TSG Group) and then TTG (The TTG Group)Aug 25 17:18
schestowitzhttp://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2009/08/modeling_zombie.html Modeling Zombie OutbreaksAug 25 17:20
schestowitzSkoh!Aug 25 17:20
schestowitzTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTGAug 25 17:21
MinceR:)Aug 25 17:21
MinceRThe TTTTGGG GroupAug 25 17:22
schestowitzMac OS X 10.6 "Snow Leopard" Benchmarks http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=NzQ3NQAug 25 17:22
schestowitzThe The The The TTG Group Group GroupAug 25 17:23
schestowitzNot more expansions?Aug 25 17:24
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] I'm on Radio 5 Live tonight ~6:50pm BST (17:50 UTC) re #wikipedia flagged revisionsAug 25 17:28
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schestowitzthenixedreport: "I am using CentOS 5.3 because I am too lazy and bored to use anything else. " http://beranger.org/v3/wordpress/2009/08/24/bsd-ish/Aug 25 17:30
schestowitzWhy zsh rocks http://smspillaz.wordpress.com/2009/08/24/why-zsh-rocks/Aug 25 17:31
MinceRlol @ the "BTW" partAug 25 17:33
thenixedreportIn terms of computers, there's nothing wrong with being lazy.Aug 25 17:34
thenixedreportAs long as it's the right kind of lazy.Aug 25 17:34
thenixedreportNot everyone needs the latest software.Aug 25 17:34
thenixedreport:)Aug 25 17:34
_Hicham_especially on serversAug 25 17:37
_Hicham_we need just security patchesAug 25 17:37
_Hicham_does CentOS ship mono ?Aug 25 17:38
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] To @stellacreasy: what are your thoughts on http://is.gd/2yaPC ? This decides whether you get my vote in May #threestrikesAug 25 17:39
schestowitzSay I am from Egypt: Show me respect, show me my time < http://beranger.org/v3/wordpress/2009/08/24/say-i-am-from-egypt-show-me-some-respect-show-me-my-time/ >Aug 25 17:40
schestowitz_Hicham_: rhel has no meningitisAug 25 17:41
thenixedreportNot by default.Aug 25 17:42
thenixedreportIt's available in the CentOS Extras repo, but again, it isn't installed by defaultAug 25 17:42
thenixedreport:)Aug 25 17:42
ThistleWebUnix Trek - The Sco Generation; to boldy go further than any patent troll has gone beforeAug 25 17:42
schestowitzhttp://jonathancarter.co.za/2009/08/25/fsf-launches-windows7sins-tomorrow/Aug 25 17:43
ThistleWebwho know, maybe by the time the warp engine has been invented they may have finally lost hopeAug 25 17:43
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schestowitzFive Things I Dislike About Gnome  http://www.workswithu.com/2009/08/25/five-things-i-dislike-about-gnome/Aug 25 17:46
schestowitzNo Mono?Aug 25 17:46
*schestowitz does a post about SCOAug 25 17:49
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_Hicham_Yes to MonoAug 25 17:58
_Hicham_let's do monoAug 25 17:58
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cubezzzI guess Yggdrasil is long goneAug 25 18:11
amarsh04quote seen in a forum discussing commissioning of a new undersea cable: ""Aug 25 18:12
amarsh04A whole month of testing seems a little overdone lolAug 25 18:12
amarsh04I think MS should take some notes. ;)Aug 25 18:12
amarsh04oops, meant to post "A whole month of testing seems a little overdone lol - I think MS should take some notes. ;)"Aug 25 18:13
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cubezzzdarkstar linux still exists, interestingAug 25 18:15
*amarsh04 is waiting on a response from his ADSL router company about GPL complianceAug 25 18:18
amarsh04they should have received my registered letter by nowAug 25 18:19
amarsh04usual story, busybox in product, no mention of gpl in anything on or accompanying product or on company web siteAug 25 18:20
cubezzzwhich company amarsh04?Aug 25 18:22
amarsh04http://www.opennw.com/contact/contact.phpAug 25 18:23
amarsh04http://lists.busybox.net/pipermail/busybox/2004-March/045154.htmlAug 25 18:23
amarsh04http://fossplanet.com/linux.busybox/message-9379691-running-scripts-after-init/Aug 25 18:24
tessierschestowitz: Cool, thanks!Aug 25 18:24
amarsh04http://lists.uclibc.org/pipermail/busybox/2004-August/012230.htmlAug 25 18:24
tessierI can't believe SCO are going to get their appearl on the UNIX stuff.Aug 25 18:24
tessierAnd it is going to go in front of a jury. :(Aug 25 18:24
schestowitzYeah.Aug 25 18:25
amarsh04BusyBox on iConnect625 login: rootAug 25 18:25
schestowitzI do a post about it ATMAug 25 18:25
amarsh04Password:Aug 25 18:25
amarsh04BusyBox v0.61.pre (2007.10.19-02:33+0000) Built-in shell (ash)Aug 25 18:25
amarsh04Enter 'help' for a list of built-in commands.Aug 25 18:25
amarsh04at least a trustee has been appointed nowAug 25 18:25
schestowitzYeahAug 25 18:25
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] multitasking is not just still basically impossible for humans, but actively damaging http://is.gd/2ydiL guess i'm fucked thenAug 25 18:25
schestowitzThat's what Novell PR saidAug 25 18:25
schestowitzSCO still owes Novell moneyAug 25 18:25
tessierThere is a trustee and they still owe a ton of money. Hopefully chapter 7 can end this.Aug 25 18:26
amarsh04defalcationAug 25 18:26
amarsh04v. from Latin for "deduction," withholding or misappropriating funds held for another, particularly by a public official, or failing to make a proper accounting.Aug 25 18:26
cubezzzI thought SCO was bankrupt alreadyAug 25 18:26
cubezzzor something close to itAug 25 18:26
tessiercubezzz: They are. But MS et al keep setting them up with more financing.Aug 25 18:26
schestowitzMaybe Microsoft can buy SCO :-)Aug 25 18:26
tessierSteven Norris gave them a bunch of moneyAug 25 18:26
schestowitzBuy the lawsuitAug 25 18:26
cubezzzeeeevilAug 25 18:27
tessierschestowitz: Nah, then they would get their hands dirty with it. They much prefer to fight by proxy.Aug 25 18:27
cubezzzI guess I have to side with Novell on this oneAug 25 18:29
schestowitzYes, thus the smileyAug 25 18:29
schestowitzIt's like the Shaggy song, "it wasn't me"Aug 25 18:29
amarsh04Stephen Norris did *not* give The SCO Group money, Darl paid Stephen NorrisAug 25 18:31
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] on radio 5 in a minute or two! #wikipediaAug 25 18:32
amarsh04join #groklaw on irc.fdfnet.net if you have any questionsAug 25 18:32
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] well, radio 5 was fun. how did it sound? come across fairly with people's opinions? #wikipediaAug 25 18:39
schestowitzamarsh04: correctAug 25 18:46
schestowitzHe paid him 100kAug 25 18:46
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] http://bit.ly/1APnXS What If Novell Does Not Own UNIX? Nothing.Aug 25 18:46
schestowitzDarl McBride Paid $100,000 to Steven Norris  < http://boycottnovell.com/2009/07/25/sco-and-darl-mcbride-norris/ >Aug 25 18:46
schestowitzTHen came the trustee and allAug 25 18:47
schestowitzRain's over. bblAug 25 18:48
amarsh04what puzzles me about characters like Darl McBride (and John Elliot in .au for that matter) is that they have double university degrees, but appear think that having gotten that education that they can cease learning and evaluatiing what they deal withAug 25 18:54
amarsh04those that continue to test and verify everything that they learn are better people to be aroundAug 25 18:56
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] Probably on Newsnight tonight re: #Wikipedia flagged revisions trial! Now to do my research ...Aug 25 19:19
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] ♺ @sjvn: Why Windows security is awful http://is.gd/2yk0P And, I will add, is now, always has been and always will be awful.Aug 25 20:36
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[popey] New blog post: Getting Back Into Screencasting http://bit.ly/vV1NM With a new simple Ubuntu Screencast http://bit.ly/YKOCO \o/Aug 25 20:36
cubezzzthis is old but... eventually SD is proprietary and closed and mmc is more openAug 25 20:40
MinceRmmc is also practically out of productionAug 25 20:40
MinceRand afaik its capacity is severely limitedAug 25 20:40
trmancoI have a mmc cardAug 25 20:40
MinceRa multimedia card card? :>Aug 25 20:41
trmancookAug 25 20:41
trmancoI have a mmcAug 25 20:41
trmanco:-PAug 25 20:41
cubezzzno one makes mmc any more?Aug 25 20:41
*trmanco looks into what SD stands forAug 25 20:41
MinceRSecure DigitalAug 25 20:42
trmancoyeahAug 25 20:42
MinceRit isn't really Secure, thoughAug 25 20:42
trmancoas seen on wikipediaAug 25 20:42
trmancoit's FATAug 25 20:42
cubezzzI think you can reformat to ext2 thoughAug 25 20:42
trmancobut then your camera can't read itAug 25 20:42
trmancoor any device that you use it withAug 25 20:43
cubezzzZaurus?Aug 25 20:43
trmancominus a linux machineAug 25 20:43
cubezzz;-)Aug 25 20:43
MinceRand winblows machines with ext2ifs installed :>Aug 25 20:43
trmancohun sharpAug 25 20:44
cubezzzFAT is not where it's atAug 25 20:44
trmancoI always thought that is was a bad companyAug 25 20:44
trmancobut it actually isn'tAug 25 20:44
cubezzzwell, I'm not totally happy with SharpAug 25 20:44
trmancoone of my friends use to have a sharp phoneAug 25 20:44
cubezzzthey did discontinue the zaurus seriesAug 25 20:45
trmancothe ones where you open the lidAug 25 20:45
trmancoit was actually quite advanced for it's timeAug 25 20:45
trmancooh, that a bummerAug 25 20:45
trmancoisAug 25 20:45
thenixedreportBtw, hibernate apparently works.Aug 25 20:52
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] is anyone else getting obnoxious popups from bit.ly URLs? I suggest using another shortening service.Aug 25 21:11
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schestowitzamarsh04: McBride worked for NovellAug 25 21:30
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] GNU/Linux Dominant in Virtual Hosts http://ping.fm/Kdm4MAug 25 21:47
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Linux Kernel Can Finally Drive (Turns 18) http://ping.fm/t4MoGAug 25 21:48
amarsh04yes he did schestowitzAug 25 21:49
schestowitzHe speaks Japanese too, I hearAug 25 21:49
schestowitzHe sure took SCO the way of Kamikaze... to help his people (Microsoft)Aug 25 21:50
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Multi-Pointer GNU/Linux is Spreading http://ping.fm/IWXUSAug 25 21:51
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] List of Text Editors for GNOME/Linux http://ping.fm/9qQXTAug 25 21:56
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Screenshots of the Beta of Mandriva 2010 http://ping.fm/ZwqKqAug 25 22:01
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Fedora 12 Reaches Alpha http://ping.fm/Nu2JoAug 25 22:08
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] CentOS 4.8 is Released Officially http://ping.fm/ay1XRAug 25 22:26
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Very Positive Review of Ubuntu Linux 9.04 http://ping.fm/jawVSAug 25 22:28
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Ubuntu Linux 9.10 Mad Features Complete http://ping.fm/iqhT5Aug 25 22:31
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Ubuntu GNU/Linux Servers Gains Traction http://ping.fm/Aw2B8Aug 25 22:32
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] The Register Looks at Nokia's Tablet (GNU/Linux-only) http://ping.fm/0BLJFAug 25 22:33
trmancohttp://searchengineland.com/yahoo-acquires-arab-portal-bing-gets-backdoor-into-deal-24517Aug 25 22:37
trmancowtfAug 25 22:37
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Free Software in Healthcare Could Save Billions http://ping.fm/S9hwv http://ping.fm/jajxt http://ping.fm/XviIqAug 25 22:44
trmancothe FF 3.5.3 branch is closedAug 25 22:45
trmancoexpect a release soonAug 25 22:45
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Open Mobile Application Community Built by Vodafone http://ping.fm/DYn0GAug 25 22:46
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Openness/Freedom Comes to Digital Clocks http://ping.fm/mGRLlAug 25 22:50
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Federal Courts Try to Turn Public Domain to Intellectual Monopoly http://ping.fm/j8dMmAug 25 22:51
_Hicham_trmanco : why ubuntu 9.04 is not using Firefox 3.5 by default ?Aug 25 22:58
trmancobecause when it was released, it still wasn't ready yetAug 25 22:58
trmancoand sru policy doesn't allow making big changesAug 25 22:59
_Hicham_wowAug 25 22:59
_Hicham_why there was Firefox 3 beta on 8.04 then ?Aug 25 22:59
_Hicham_and it is an LTSAug 25 23:00
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Android Phones Run Full Linux http://ping.fm/jKNJDAug 25 23:03
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Macs Are Hot! http://ping.fm/XUdVqAug 25 23:05
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Free software Votes Against Mono http://ping.fm/bwOPJAug 25 23:09
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trmanco_Hicham_, that was the reasonAug 25 23:15
trmancothe ltsAug 25 23:15
trmancoif they shipped 2.0.xAug 25 23:15
_Hicham_and so for non lts releases users must wait?Aug 25 23:15
trmancoit would be unsupported by nowAug 25 23:16
trmanconotAug 25 23:16
trmancothat was just a special caseAug 25 23:16
schestowitzBill and Steve served http://www.linuxtoday.com/infrastructure/2009082501735OSMS#talkback_areaAug 25 23:16
_Hicham_I see that including two firefoxes is really a bad ideaAug 25 23:16
_Hicham_especially that there isn't a lot of packages that need xulrunnerAug 25 23:17
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[popey] Lovely parody of http://boycottscotland.com/ in http://www.boycottscotland.co.uk/ :)Aug 25 23:28
trmancothere is nothing like swiftweaselAug 25 23:29
_Hicham_swiftweasel ?Aug 25 23:36
_Hicham_it is just illusionAug 25 23:39
_Hicham_standard compilation for firefox works the bestAug 25 23:39
_Hicham_speed is not everythingAug 25 23:39
_Hicham_I managed to compile firefox for an incredible speedAug 25 23:40
_Hicham_but the problem is that i got random segfaultsAug 25 23:40
_Hicham_so I went to standard compilation flags provided by redhat-rpm-configAug 25 23:40
_Hicham_less optimization = stabilityAug 25 23:41
Diablo-D3hey royAug 25 23:41
schestowitzI didn't know Project Manhattan employed ~130,000 people. Wow. What a waste.Aug 25 23:41
Diablo-D3hey royAug 25 23:41
Diablo-D3http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/25/microsoft-sucks-at-photoshop/Aug 25 23:41
schestowitzHeyAug 25 23:41
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_Hicham_hi oiaohmAug 25 23:42
_Hicham_wbAug 25 23:42
schestowitzWell, can't show a 'dark' person in Poland, I guessAug 25 23:43
schestowitzMicrosoft only add them when it /has/ toAug 25 23:43
schestowitzAnd they didn't change the handAug 25 23:43
oiaohmHi _Hicham_Aug 25 23:43
oiaohmReally I don't see MS living well as more and more low margin machines enter market.Aug 25 23:44
Diablo-D3schestowitz: that isnt it manAug 25 23:45
Diablo-D3schestowitz: look closely at the handsAug 25 23:45
Diablo-D3there is fail and then there is BWAHAHAH EPIC FAILAug 25 23:45

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