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seller_liar | Thanks roy for award ! | Sep 07 00:17 |
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seller_liar | but I'm not the best contributor | Sep 07 00:17 |
seller_liar | JoseX ,twitter and slated have more contributions | Sep 07 00:17 |
seller_liar | I was thinking , the guy called "Richard" can be a troll | Sep 07 00:18 |
seller_liar | I was thinking .... | Sep 07 00:18 |
seller_liar | Even moonlight to be 100% compatible with silverlight | Sep 07 00:19 |
seller_liar | microsoft can insert proprietary extension not in moonlight | Sep 07 00:19 |
seller_liar | like dr-dos attack | Sep 07 00:19 |
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] RT @wikileaks #Google still not fighting subpoena for journalists' data http://bit.ly/1bGyC3 ("Don't be actively evil, just passively") | Sep 07 00:27 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] RT @almightygod How to convert an atheist: http://bit.ly/16maMM (personally I'd put "don't, just be a good example" at the top) | Sep 07 00:27 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] #damienhirst is a less-than-worthless piece of shit. http://bit.ly/CVYfY | Sep 07 00:27 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] cleaning house and restoring hole foxes dug in strawberry patch AGAIN (chasing rathole). now, coffee. | Sep 07 00:27 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] older teen is out with bf she has finally met. social life! excellent stuff! younger teen in camden with mates. a+f at shops. | Sep 07 00:27 | |
schestowitz | Hi, seller_liar | Sep 07 00:27 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] More amusing/cool/interesting #photo s needed for http://dailyphoto.today.com/ - pref reusable licence. point me to yr faves! or yr own! | Sep 07 00:27 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] Kernel 2.6.31 to speed up Linux desktop: http://is.gd/2XECB | Sep 07 00:27 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] "benchmarks show clock time & major faults reduced by 50%, & pswpin numbers (memory reads from disk) are reduced to about 1/3" :D | Sep 07 00:27 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] "That means X desktop responsiveness is doubled under high memory pressure." :D:D:D | Sep 07 00:27 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] More here -> http://is.gd/2XFj1 | Sep 07 00:27 | |
schestowitz | seller_liar: I upgrade to kde 4.3.1 ATM | Sep 07 00:27 |
_Hicham_ | schestowitz : did u organize ur desktop ? | Sep 07 00:27 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Listening to Amiga.Mod: "Sea of Memories" #amiga | Sep 07 00:28 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Listening to Amiga.Mod: "Space Debris" #amiga | Sep 07 00:28 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] yes too many computer interviews are like this: http://is.gd/2XNhI | Sep 07 00:28 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] A Formula 3 car with a body made from potatoes. It runs on chocolate. I'm serious. http://bit.ly/ecoF3 | Sep 07 00:28 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] Music of the moment: MARK OH - United (Club mix & Radio Edit): http://is.gd/2XSG9 || Why does house music rock so much? :D | Sep 07 00:28 | |
schestowitz | Still ironing some creases | Sep 07 00:28 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] From your 345 subscriptions, over the last 30 days you read 23,053 items, starred 13 items, shared 138 items, and emailed 1 items. | Sep 07 00:28 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] “Stupid Customers” say PCworld/Currys staff? & FUD Training for Walmart? http://tinyurl.com/m39qet #microsoft #windows #linux #xp #vista | Sep 07 00:28 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Join @BrokenWindows_ the campaign to educate on benefits of FOSS. Find out what everyones talking about! #foss #linux #windows #vista #xp | Sep 07 00:28 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] PROFILE OF: Hadron – Appearing on C.O.L.A http://tinyurl.com/l22z9j #microsoft #linux #foss #windows #vista #xp #redmond #fud #7 #troll | Sep 07 00:28 | |
schestowitz | I had to do lots of work to get BNc running again | Sep 07 00:28 |
schestowitz | Firefox I had restored to perfection well | Sep 07 00:28 |
seller_liar | schestowitz: I was thinking | Sep 07 00:28 |
schestowitz | Thunderbird plugins are a tricky one, still | Sep 07 00:28 |
schestowitz | And pgp | Sep 07 00:28 |
seller_liar | moonlight never 100% compatible with silverblight | Sep 07 00:28 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Commentary: Linux at Law http://tinyurl.com/naw4w2 - The benefits of switching to FOSS. #microsoft #windows #xp #vista #linux #foss | Sep 07 00:29 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Wow, busy weekend....why do they go so quickly? Been some good news in the campaign to show people the benefits of FOSS...Good night all. | Sep 07 00:29 | |
seller_liar | microsoft can insert intentional incompatibilites | Sep 07 00:29 |
seller_liar | like drdos | Sep 07 00:31 |
trmanco | schestowitz: use konversation | Sep 07 00:39 |
trmanco | the alphas are quite stable | Sep 07 00:39 |
schestowitz | zoobab: re: that E-mail, yes... I saw that and have a post coming about it already | Sep 07 00:43 |
schestowitz | Nathan Boy uses staellites | Sep 07 00:43 |
schestowitz | seller_liar: yes | Sep 07 00:43 |
schestowitz | trmanco: why not xchat? I'm just asking | Sep 07 00:43 |
trmanco | it's gtk | Sep 07 00:43 |
trmanco | I don't really like to mix | Sep 07 00:43 |
trmanco | I only am dependent on gtk because of FF | Sep 07 00:44 |
trmanco | but that will soon change if arora gets a bit more functionality or if konq devs implement very well webkit into the browser | Sep 07 00:45 |
schestowitz | Yeah, I know | Sep 07 00:46 |
schestowitz | But I depend on xchat for consistency, e.g. for logging | Sep 07 00:47 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Not been microblogging today.. I fell in love... KDE 4.3.1 :-p | Sep 07 00:49 | |
Diablo-D3 | ROY! | Sep 07 00:49 |
Diablo-D3 | you didnt! | Sep 07 00:49 |
trmanco | konversation logs | Sep 07 00:49 |
Diablo-D3 | kde is horrid | Sep 07 00:49 |
trmanco | wtf | Sep 07 00:49 |
trmanco | have you actually ever tried for more than a week? | Sep 07 00:49 |
Diablo-D3 | I couldnt get past trying it for a half hour | Sep 07 00:50 |
*Diablo-D3 tried it yesterday | Sep 07 00:50 | |
trmanco | ... | Sep 07 00:51 |
trmanco | I wonder why | Sep 07 00:51 |
Diablo-D3 | because its unusable and slow | Sep 07 00:52 |
Diablo-D3 | and qt apps are quite ugly | Sep 07 00:52 |
*schestowitz got xbingkeys up and running in .bashrc | Sep 07 00:52 | |
schestowitz | *bind | Sep 07 00:52 |
trmanco | wtf | Sep 07 00:52 |
schestowitz | Diablo-D3: it's wonderful | Sep 07 00:52 |
schestowitz | KDE is great! | Sep 07 00:52 |
schestowitz | FAR better than 3.5 | Sep 07 00:52 |
trmanco | I actually have the opposite experience | Sep 07 00:52 |
schestowitz | FAR FAR FAT :-p | Sep 07 00:52 |
trmanco | it's fatter | Sep 07 00:52 |
trmanco | but it's justified | Sep 07 00:53 |
schestowitz | It is | Sep 07 00:53 |
schestowitz | ALso FAR less RAM-consuming | Sep 07 00:53 |
schestowitz | No idea why | Sep 07 00:53 |
schestowitz | I use ext4 BTW | Sep 07 00:53 |
schestowitz | ANd it doesn't feel like alpha | Sep 07 00:53 |
schestowitz | No bugs | Sep 07 00:53 |
trmanco | ah | Sep 07 00:53 |
trmanco | kubuntu 9.10 | Sep 07 00:53 |
oiaohm | Kde 3.5 has a lot of memoy eating bugs. | Sep 07 00:53 |
schestowitz | "FAT" was a typo | Sep 07 00:53 |
schestowitz | I didn't mean "fat" | Sep 07 00:53 |
oiaohm | From the work arounds kde 3.5 was doing. | Sep 07 00:54 |
trmanco | but it's slightly fatter than gnome | Sep 07 00:54 |
schestowitz | DId you get 3d going? | Sep 07 00:54 |
schestowitz | It's FAST | Sep 07 00:54 |
schestowitz | Very | Sep 07 00:54 |
schestowitz | Spinning cube thing | Sep 07 00:54 |
schestowitz | Like 25 fps | Sep 07 00:54 |
schestowitz | EVen on a display 3500px wide | Sep 07 00:54 |
*trmanco thinks it might be the gnome residue processes that are making kde fat | Sep 07 00:54 | |
trmanco | 25? | Sep 07 00:54 |
trmanco | mine doesn't get below 50 | Sep 07 00:55 |
trmanco | while spinning | Sep 07 00:55 |
very cool report | Sep 07 01:00 | |
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If it's that bug free, I expect it to bump into Debian testing sooner than later. | Sep 07 01:01 | |
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trmanco | maybe I just have a well supported card | Sep 07 01:02 |
trmanco | or well supported hardware, dunno | Sep 07 01:03 |
schestowitz | roy@baine:~$ uptime | Sep 07 01:03 |
schestowitz | 01:03:15 up 223 days, 14:04, 2 users, load average: 0.04, 0.03, 0.01 | Sep 07 01:03 |
oiaohm | Video card drivers and card both are factors trmanco | Sep 07 01:03 |
trmanco | I have (had) a good card | Sep 07 01:03 |
schestowitz | trmanco: don't know, didn't measure. Eye can't discern beyond ~25 | Sep 07 01:03 |
schestowitz | /Human/ eye that is | Sep 07 01:04 |
trmanco | you can feel it though | Sep 07 01:04 |
schestowitz | fabs from Linux Outlaws got burned by nvidia | Sep 07 01:04 |
funny. Someone tagged my last Slashdot Story Submission, "shit" http://slashdot.org/submission/1067713/Beyond-Trust-Warns-that-UAC-is-Still-Broken | Sep 07 01:04 | |
schestowitz | One among many | Sep 07 01:04 |
trmanco | and good drivers I guess | Sep 07 01:04 |
schestowitz | Lost his PC | Sep 07 01:04 |
trmanco | oss ones | Sep 07 01:04 |
schestowitz | twitter: he left traces of self on story | Sep 07 01:04 |
I do not know if they were referring to the story or UAC. | Sep 07 01:04 | |
schestowitz | Shameless self-promotion | Sep 07 01:05 |
schestowitz | :-p | Sep 07 01:05 |
ah, very nice. | Sep 07 01:05 | |
I realized that Google does not search for "M$" | Sep 07 01:06 | |
Because my point is to expose M$, I'm going to make things easier on Google than myself. :) | Sep 07 01:06 | |
oiaohm | Wonder what mean of the word twitter | Sep 07 01:06 |
schestowitz | Need help... | Sep 07 01:07 |
schestowitz | └─(02:39 $)─> cron ./Main/Programs/Scripts/Definitions/cron | Sep 07 01:07 |
schestowitz | cron: can't open or create /var/run/crond.pid: Permission denied | Sep 07 01:07 |
schestowitz | ┌─(roy@roy Mon, 07 Sep 09)─——————————————————————————————————─(/home/roy)────┐ | Sep 07 01:07 |
schestowitz | └─(02:39 $)─> sudo cron ./Main/Programs/Scripts/Definitions/cron | Sep 07 01:07 |
schestowitz | [sudo] password for roy: | Sep 07 01:07 |
schestowitz | cron: can't lock /var/run/crond.pid, otherpid may be 2676: Resource temporarily unavailable | Sep 07 01:07 |
It was something you noticed, Roy, how positive M$ articles are filled with Windows keywords but negative stories avoid the mention of any terms. | Sep 07 01:07 | |
schestowitz | ┌─(roy@roy Mon, 07 Sep 09)─——————————————————————————————————─(/home/roy)────┐ | Sep 07 01:07 |
schestowitz | └─(02:39 $)─> cron | Sep 07 01:07 |
schestowitz | cron: can't open or create /var/run/crond.pid: Permission denied | Sep 07 01:07 |
schestowitz | Write "Microsoft". It gets seen as more reasonable | Sep 07 01:08 |
Ubuntu has some very annoying root lockout. | Sep 07 01:08 | |
schestowitz | "Vista 7" is porky funny | Sep 07 01:08 |
schestowitz | Like "Digital RESTRICTIONS management" | Sep 07 01:08 |
trmanco | maybe cron is in use already | Sep 07 01:08 |
schestowitz | I guess I can't do cron then | Sep 07 01:08 |
schestowitz | By whom? | Sep 07 01:09 |
to get a root sign on, use "sudo passwrd" | Sep 07 01:09 | |
oiaohm | Hmm wonder if apparmor is stuffed up again in ubuntu. | Sep 07 01:09 |
make a password and go to town. | Sep 07 01:09 | |
schestowitz | └─(02:40 $)─> cron -l | Sep 07 01:09 |
schestowitz | cron: can't open or create /var/run/crond.pid: Permission denied | Sep 07 01:09 |
trmanco | it's still an alpha | Sep 07 01:09 |
oiaohm | I guess you have checked the permissions that cron can create taht schestowitz | Sep 07 01:09 |
trmanco | but that's really strange | Sep 07 01:09 |
oiaohm | Not really. | Sep 07 01:09 |
schestowitz | oiaohm: no apparmor | Sep 07 01:09 |
schestowitz | It's kubuntu | Sep 07 01:09 |
trmanco | just log in as root | Sep 07 01:09 |
trmanco | :-P | Sep 07 01:09 |
trmanco | su | Sep 07 01:09 |
oiaohm | ubuntu apparmor is enabled by default even in kubuntu | Sep 07 01:10 |
oiaohm | Unless you picked some other LSM to install. | Sep 07 01:10 |
oiaohm | apparmor only on services. | Sep 07 01:10 |
schestowitz | root@roy:~# cron /home/roy/Main/Programs/Scripts/Definitions/cron | Sep 07 01:10 |
schestowitz | cron: can't lock /var/run/crond.pid, otherpid may be 2676: Resource temporarily unavailable | Sep 07 01:10 |
trmanco | time for some shuteye | Sep 07 01:10 |
trmanco | ok | Sep 07 01:11 |
trmanco | now that strange | Sep 07 01:11 |
ah | Sep 07 01:11 | |
trmanco | is | Sep 07 01:11 |
trmanco | kill -9 2676 :-P | Sep 07 01:11 |
schestowitz | oiaohm: apparmor not running | Sep 07 01:11 |
schestowitz | root@roy:~# kill -9 2676 | Sep 07 01:12 |
schestowitz | root@roy:~# cron /home/roy/Main/Programs/Scripts/Definitions/cron | Sep 07 01:12 |
schestowitz | root@roy:~# | Sep 07 01:12 |
"/etc/init.d/cron restart" ? | Sep 07 01:12 | |
trmanco | it worked | Sep 07 01:12 |
trmanco | ? | Sep 07 01:12 |
schestowitz | root@roy:~# /etc/init.d/cron restart | Sep 07 01:13 |
schestowitz | * Restarting periodic command scheduler cron [ OK ] | Sep 07 01:13 |
there you go | Sep 07 01:13 | |
schestowitz | root@roy:~# exit | Sep 07 01:13 |
schestowitz | logout | Sep 07 01:13 |
schestowitz | ┌─(roy@roy Mon, 07 Sep 09)─——————————————————————————————————─(/home/roy)────┐ | Sep 07 01:13 |
schestowitz | └─(02:46 $)─> cron -l | Sep 07 01:13 |
schestowitz | cron: can't open or create /var/run/crond.pid: Permission denied | Sep 07 01:13 |
schestowitz | ┌─(roy@roy Mon, 07 Sep 09)─——————————————————————————————————─(/home/roy)────┐ | Sep 07 01:13 |
trmanco | :| | Sep 07 01:13 |
trmanco | sudo cron | Sep 07 01:13 |
ls -lh /var/run/cron.pid | Sep 07 01:13 | |
what are the permissions on it? | Sep 07 01:14 | |
trmanco | only root can rwx | Sep 07 01:14 |
schestowitz | Oh no | Sep 07 01:14 |
trmanco | other are --- --- I guess | Sep 07 01:14 |
trmanco | s | Sep 07 01:14 |
schestowitz | I'm an idiot | Sep 07 01:14 |
he he | Sep 07 01:14 | |
schestowitz | It's crontab, I think | Sep 07 01:14 |
trmanco | heh | Sep 07 01:14 |
trmanco | yes that's the file | Sep 07 01:14 |
trmanco | just use kde's task manager | Sep 07 01:15 |
schestowitz | Mea culpa | Sep 07 01:15 |
kcron is nice | Sep 07 01:15 | |
trmanco | in settings tab [advanced] | Sep 07 01:15 |
trmanco | yes | Sep 07 01:15 |
schestowitz | It's not a bug | Sep 07 01:15 |
schestowitz | It's my bad memory | Sep 07 01:15 |
tell us what you did so we can avoid the mistake | Sep 07 01:15 | |
schestowitz | It's crontab, not cran | Sep 07 01:15 |
trmanco | :) | Sep 07 01:15 |
schestowitz | I was't thinking | Sep 07 01:15 |
you have a lot of interesting scripts | Sep 07 01:15 | |
schestowitz | One of my crons crawls BN once a daY | Sep 07 01:16 |
schestowitz | makes dumps for backups | Sep 07 01:16 |
schestowitz | There are many other jobs | Sep 07 01:16 |
schestowitz | Like revolving .sigs and doing maintenance | Sep 07 01:16 |
well the pid file only has a number in it, what were you trying to do with it? | Sep 07 01:16 | |
trmanco | gn guys | Sep 07 01:16 |
later trmanco | Sep 07 01:16 | |
I had an idea for a pda file server. My Zaurus has both a SD and CF card slot. | Sep 07 01:18 | |
It would be nice to find a CF USB adapter and then plug a lot of drives and devices into a USB hub. | Sep 07 01:19 | |
*schestowitz just sent a bug report | Sep 07 01:19 | |
I've got a CF network card and a USB HD adapter. | Sep 07 01:19 | |
A card reader for the network card and a USB network adapter or two and a few external hard drives would make a nice low power file server. | Sep 07 01:21 | |
This can be done with any PDA that has CF and a gnu/linux port. | Sep 07 01:21 | |
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balzac | lart | Sep 07 01:26 |
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_Hicham_ | schestowitz : what is the bug report about ? | Sep 07 01:31 |
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Grim Investments. Bundled bets on death as the next big investment scam. http://chattahbox.com/us/2009/09/06/wall-street-vultures-betting-on-death-if-you-die-early-they-cash-in/ | Sep 07 01:49 | |
schestowitz | Eevrything but pgp works well now. It's always a hard one | Sep 07 01:50 |
schestowitz | I can't read encrypted mail | Sep 07 01:50 |
schestowitz | └─(03:23 $)─> gpg-agent | Sep 07 01:50 |
schestowitz | gpg-agent[9145]: can't connect to `/home/roy/.gnupg/S.gpg-agent': No such file or directory | Sep 07 01:50 |
schestowitz | gpg-agent: no gpg-agent running in this session | Sep 07 01:50 |
ack, you have to move your keys. | Sep 07 01:50 | |
schestowitz | Yes | Sep 07 01:51 |
schestowitz | I did this before, but it took a while. | Sep 07 01:51 |
schestowitz | pgp confused me | Sep 07 01:51 |
schestowitz | kpgp and front ends...? | Sep 07 01:51 |
-> The rating agency involved in the ” early death investments,” DBRS, employs a “mathematics whiz” who has created computer models to manage the risk of investing in life-insurance securitizations. The risk being of course, people living longer than expected. The math wiz, Jan Buckler, also has a PH.D. in nuclear engineering and she has devised a scheme of packaging the bond instruments based on the type of disease to low | Sep 07 01:51 | |
nuclear engineers know pdf and cdf | Sep 07 01:52 | |
gpg is what you are looking for | Sep 07 01:52 | |
kgpg might pull the rest in | Sep 07 01:53 | |
schestowitz | I found gpa | Sep 07 01:53 |
have you coppied your .gnupg ? | Sep 07 01:53 | |
the package is called gnupg2 in Lenny | Sep 07 01:54 | |
schestowitz | gpg command line and output: | Sep 07 01:55 |
schestowitz | /usr/bin/gpg | Sep 07 01:55 |
schestowitz | gpg: gpg-agent is not available in this session | Sep 07 01:55 |
schestowitz | gpg: can't query passphrase in batch mode | Sep 07 01:55 |
schestowitz | gpg: Invalid passphrase; please try again ... | Sep 07 01:55 |
schestowitz | gpg: can't query passphrase in batch mode | Sep 07 01:55 |
schestowitz | gpg: Invalid passphrase; please try again ... | Sep 07 01:55 |
schestowitz | gpg: can't query passphrase in batch mode | Sep 07 01:55 |
schestowitz | Yes, I copied .gnupg | Sep 07 01:55 |
schestowitz | The keys are here, but gpg-agent won't go | Sep 07 01:56 |
schestowitz | gpg: public key decryption failed: bad passphrase | Sep 07 01:56 |
schestowitz | gpg: decryption failed: secret key not available | Sep 07 01:56 |
what mail client? | Sep 07 01:56 | |
schestowitz | Another one: | Sep 07 01:56 |
schestowitz | gpg command line and output: | Sep 07 01:56 |
schestowitz | /usr/bin/gpg | Sep 07 01:56 |
schestowitz | gpg: gpg-agent is not available in this session | Sep 07 01:56 |
schestowitz | gpg: can't query passphrase in batch mode | Sep 07 01:56 |
schestowitz | gpg: Invalid passphrase; please try again ... | Sep 07 01:56 |
schestowitz | gpg: can't query passphrase in batch mode | Sep 07 01:56 |
schestowitz | gpg: Invalid passphrase; please try again ... | Sep 07 01:56 |
schestowitz | gpg: can't query passphrase in batch mode | Sep 07 01:56 |
schestowitz | twitter: either kde or thunderbird+enigmail | Sep 07 01:56 |
have you installed gnupg-agent? | Sep 07 01:57 | |
schestowitz | Ah. Got it in KDE! | Sep 07 01:57 |
schestowitz | Just needed to restart app | Sep 07 01:57 |
:-D | Sep 07 01:57 | |
let us know how kmail is in 4.3 | Sep 07 01:58 | |
schestowitz | gnupg-agent? | Sep 07 01:59 |
schestowitz | or gpg-agent? | Sep 07 01:59 |
schestowitz | gnupg-agent seems liike metapackage or something | Sep 07 01:59 |
schestowitz | Is it a daemon? | Sep 07 02:00 |
I don't know. It just turned up an an apt-cache search and your error messages. | Sep 07 02:01 | |
no need, now that it's working. | Sep 07 02:02 | |
schestowitz | http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-security-4/gpg-gpg-agent-cant-connect-to-root.gnupgs.gpg-agent-611843/ | Sep 07 02:03 |
schestowitz | "I use GPG, bit not the agent. It turns out that S.gpg-agent is a socket (not a file which is what the touch command creates). The gpg-agent listens to gpg, intercepts requests for passphrases and supplies the info so you don't have to type your passphrase all the time." | Sep 07 02:04 |
schestowitz | └─(03:44 $)─> gpg-agent | Sep 07 02:11 |
schestowitz | gpg-agent: gpg-agent running and available | Sep 07 02:11 |
interesting. | Sep 07 02:15 | |
Here's something funny. There's nothing M$ on the google science/tech news page. | Sep 07 02:16 | |
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schestowitz | OK, now xchat looks different | Sep 07 00:27 |
schestowitz | It's a very gnomy version of it | Sep 07 00:27 |
_Hicham_ | how is that? | Sep 07 00:28 |
_Hicham_ | of course | Sep 07 00:28 |
_Hicham_ | it is Ubuntu | Sep 07 00:28 |
_Hicham_ | Ubuntu is gnomish | Sep 07 00:28 |
schestowitz | And it doesn't have users list visible | Sep 07 00:28 |
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schestowitz | It's like a simplified version | Sep 07 00:29 |
_Hicham_ | u can make it visible | Sep 07 00:29 |
_Hicham_ | just the default options | Sep 07 00:30 |
schestowitz | I can't find the option | Sep 07 00:30 |
schestowitz | There are few options | Sep 07 00:30 |
schestowitz | It looks more modern a version | Sep 07 00:30 |
schestowitz | But some things changed | Sep 07 00:30 |
schestowitz | Oddly | Sep 07 00:30 |
ziggyfish_ | schestowitz, looks the same as before ;) | Sep 07 00:30 |
schestowitz | I see..... | Sep 07 00:31 |
schestowitz | Some options moved positions | Sep 07 00:31 |
schestowitz | Like "mark as away" | Sep 07 00:31 |
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_Hicham_ | maybe it is a development version | Sep 07 00:32 |
schestowitz | I don't think so | Sep 07 00:32 |
_Hicham_ | but no, ubuntu doesn't ship develpment versions | Sep 07 00:32 |
schestowitz | Things like detach window vanished | Sep 07 00:32 |
schestowitz | And there's no 'advanced' version | Sep 07 00:32 |
schestowitz | No GUI for banlist | Sep 07 00:33 |
schestowitz | XChat-GNOME 0.26.1 | Sep 07 00:33 |
schestowitz | That's old, no? | Sep 07 00:33 |
schestowitz | Copyright © 2004-200 | Sep 07 00:33 |
_Hicham_ | maybe u should give kopete a try | Sep 07 00:34 |
schestowitz | brb | Sep 07 00:37 |
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schestowitz | OK, I got it | Sep 07 00:38 |
schestowitz | There are two versions | Sep 07 00:38 |
schestowitz | Both got installed | Sep 07 00:38 |
schestowitz | gnome-chat is the simpler | Sep 07 00:38 |
schestowitz | Now I'm on the 'full edition' so to speak | Sep 07 00:38 |
_Hicham_ | xchat-schestowitz : the ultimate version for chatting on irc | Sep 07 00:39 |
_Hicham_ | unlimited views | Sep 07 00:39 |
_Hicham_ | unlimited channel | Sep 07 00:39 |
_Hicham_ | get it today for only $59.99 ! | Sep 07 00:40 |
schestowitz | Where does skype store user settings? | Sep 07 00:40 |
>NickServ<identify **** | Sep 07 00:41 | |
-NickServ-You are now identified for schestowitz. | Sep 07 00:41 | |
*services. sets mode +e schestowitz | Sep 07 00:41 | |
*ChanServ gives channel operator status to schestowitz | Sep 07 00:41 | |
schestowitz | We need an op | Sep 07 00:41 |
schestowitz | I'm gonna be busy organising | Sep 07 00:41 |
*schestowitz gives channel operator status to _Hicham_ | Sep 07 00:41 | |
*schestowitz removes channel operator status from schestowitz | Sep 07 00:41 | |
_Hicham_ | schestowitz : .skype for sure | Sep 07 00:42 |
_Hicham_ | on ur home directory | Sep 07 00:42 |
schestowitz | _Hicham_: I tried | Sep 07 00:43 |
_Hicham_ | schestowitz : didn't find it? | Sep 07 00:43 |
schestowitz | Let's see | Sep 07 00:43 |
schestowitz | Couldn't find it before | Sep 07 00:43 |
schestowitz | I need to test the vid/webcam | Sep 07 00:43 |
schestowitz | *LOL* | Sep 07 00:44 |
schestowitz | Skype capitalise it | Sep 07 00:44 |
_Hicham_ | why do u need the settings forlder for ? | Sep 07 00:44 |
schestowitz | It's .Skype, not .skype | Sep 07 00:44 |
schestowitz | It's against the unix philosophy | Sep 07 00:44 |
schestowitz | That's why I couldn't find it | Sep 07 00:44 |
_Hicham_ | u got ur webcam working schestowitz ? | Sep 07 00:46 |
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seller_liar | Thanks roy for award ! | Sep 07 01:50 |
seller_liar | but I'm not the best contributor | Sep 07 01:50 |
seller_liar | JoseX ,twitter and slated have more contributions | Sep 07 01:50 |
seller_liar | I was thinking , the guy called "Richard" can be a troll | Sep 07 01:51 |
seller_liar | I was thinking .... | Sep 07 01:51 |
seller_liar | Even moonlight to be 100% compatible with silverlight | Sep 07 01:52 |
seller_liar | microsoft can insert proprietary extension not in moonlight | Sep 07 01:52 |
seller_liar | like dr-dos attack | Sep 07 01:52 |
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] RT @wikileaks #Google still not fighting subpoena for journalists' data http://bit.ly/1bGyC3 ("Don't be actively evil, just passively") | Sep 07 02:00 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] RT @almightygod How to convert an atheist: http://bit.ly/16maMM (personally I'd put "don't, just be a good example" at the top) | Sep 07 02:00 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] #damienhirst is a less-than-worthless piece of shit. http://bit.ly/CVYfY | Sep 07 02:00 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] cleaning house and restoring hole foxes dug in strawberry patch AGAIN (chasing rathole). now, coffee. | Sep 07 02:00 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] older teen is out with bf she has finally met. social life! excellent stuff! younger teen in camden with mates. a+f at shops. | Sep 07 02:00 | |
schestowitz | Hi, seller_liar | Sep 07 02:00 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] More amusing/cool/interesting #photo s needed for http://dailyphoto.today.com/ - pref reusable licence. point me to yr faves! or yr own! | Sep 07 02:00 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] Kernel 2.6.31 to speed up Linux desktop: http://is.gd/2XECB | Sep 07 02:00 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] "benchmarks show clock time & major faults reduced by 50%, & pswpin numbers (memory reads from disk) are reduced to about 1/3" :D | Sep 07 02:00 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] "That means X desktop responsiveness is doubled under high memory pressure." :D:D:D | Sep 07 02:00 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] More here -> http://is.gd/2XFj1 | Sep 07 02:00 | |
schestowitz | seller_liar: I upgrade to kde 4.3.1 ATM | Sep 07 02:00 |
_Hicham_ | schestowitz : did u organize ur desktop ? | Sep 07 02:00 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Listening to Amiga.Mod: "Sea of Memories" #amiga | Sep 07 02:00 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Listening to Amiga.Mod: "Space Debris" #amiga | Sep 07 02:00 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] yes too many computer interviews are like this: http://is.gd/2XNhI | Sep 07 02:00 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] A Formula 3 car with a body made from potatoes. It runs on chocolate. I'm serious. http://bit.ly/ecoF3 | Sep 07 02:00 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] Music of the moment: MARK OH - United (Club mix & Radio Edit): http://is.gd/2XSG9 || Why does house music rock so much? :D | Sep 07 02:00 | |
schestowitz | Still ironing some creases | Sep 07 02:00 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] From your 345 subscriptions, over the last 30 days you read 23,053 items, starred 13 items, shared 138 items, and emailed 1 items. | Sep 07 02:00 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] “Stupid Customers” say PCworld/Currys staff? & FUD Training for Walmart? http://tinyurl.com/m39qet #microsoft #windows #linux #xp #vista | Sep 07 02:00 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Join @BrokenWindows_ the campaign to educate on benefits of FOSS. Find out what everyones talking about! #foss #linux #windows #vista #xp | Sep 07 02:01 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] PROFILE OF: Hadron – Appearing on C.O.L.A http://tinyurl.com/l22z9j #microsoft #linux #foss #windows #vista #xp #redmond #fud #7 #troll | Sep 07 02:01 | |
schestowitz | I had to do lots of work to get BNc running again | Sep 07 02:01 |
schestowitz | Firefox I had restored to perfection well | Sep 07 02:01 |
seller_liar | schestowitz: I was thinking | Sep 07 02:01 |
schestowitz | Thunderbird plugins are a tricky one, still | Sep 07 02:01 |
schestowitz | And pgp | Sep 07 02:01 |
seller_liar | moonlight never 100% compatible with silverblight | Sep 07 02:01 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Commentary: Linux at Law http://tinyurl.com/naw4w2 - The benefits of switching to FOSS. #microsoft #windows #xp #vista #linux #foss | Sep 07 02:01 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Wow, busy weekend....why do they go so quickly? Been some good news in the campaign to show people the benefits of FOSS...Good night all. | Sep 07 02:01 | |
seller_liar | microsoft can insert intentional incompatibilites | Sep 07 02:01 |
seller_liar | like drdos | Sep 07 02:04 |
trmanco | schestowitz: use konversation | Sep 07 02:11 |
trmanco | the alphas are quite stable | Sep 07 02:12 |
schestowitz | zoobab: re: that E-mail, yes... I saw that and have a post coming about it already | Sep 07 02:16 |
schestowitz | Nathan Boy uses staellites | Sep 07 02:16 |
schestowitz | seller_liar: yes | Sep 07 02:16 |
schestowitz | trmanco: why not xchat? I'm just asking | Sep 07 02:16 |
trmanco | it's gtk | Sep 07 02:16 |
trmanco | I don't really like to mix | Sep 07 02:16 |
trmanco | I only am dependent on gtk because of FF | Sep 07 02:17 |
trmanco | but that will soon change if arora gets a bit more functionality or if konq devs implement very well webkit into the browser | Sep 07 02:18 |
schestowitz | Yeah, I know | Sep 07 02:19 |
schestowitz | But I depend on xchat for consistency, e.g. for logging | Sep 07 02:20 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Not been microblogging today.. I fell in love... KDE 4.3.1 :-p | Sep 07 02:21 | |
Diablo-D3 | ROY! | Sep 07 02:22 |
Diablo-D3 | you didnt! | Sep 07 02:22 |
trmanco | konversation logs | Sep 07 02:22 |
Diablo-D3 | kde is horrid | Sep 07 02:22 |
trmanco | wtf | Sep 07 02:22 |
trmanco | have you actually ever tried for more than a week? | Sep 07 02:22 |
Diablo-D3 | I couldnt get past trying it for a half hour | Sep 07 02:23 |
*Diablo-D3 tried it yesterday | Sep 07 02:23 | |
trmanco | ... | Sep 07 02:23 |
trmanco | I wonder why | Sep 07 02:23 |
Diablo-D3 | because its unusable and slow | Sep 07 02:24 |
Diablo-D3 | and qt apps are quite ugly | Sep 07 02:25 |
*schestowitz got xbingkeys up and running in .bashrc | Sep 07 02:25 | |
schestowitz | *bind | Sep 07 02:25 |
trmanco | wtf | Sep 07 02:25 |
schestowitz | Diablo-D3: it's wonderful | Sep 07 02:25 |
schestowitz | KDE is great! | Sep 07 02:25 |
schestowitz | FAR better than 3.5 | Sep 07 02:25 |
trmanco | I actually have the opposite experience | Sep 07 02:25 |
schestowitz | FAR FAR FAT :-p | Sep 07 02:25 |
trmanco | it's fatter | Sep 07 02:25 |
trmanco | but it's justified | Sep 07 02:26 |
schestowitz | It is | Sep 07 02:26 |
schestowitz | ALso FAR less RAM-consuming | Sep 07 02:26 |
schestowitz | No idea why | Sep 07 02:26 |
schestowitz | I use ext4 BTW | Sep 07 02:26 |
schestowitz | ANd it doesn't feel like alpha | Sep 07 02:26 |
schestowitz | No bugs | Sep 07 02:26 |
trmanco | ah | Sep 07 02:26 |
trmanco | kubuntu 9.10 | Sep 07 02:26 |
oiaohm | Kde 3.5 has a lot of memoy eating bugs. | Sep 07 02:26 |
schestowitz | "FAT" was a typo | Sep 07 02:26 |
schestowitz | I didn't mean "fat" | Sep 07 02:26 |
oiaohm | From the work arounds kde 3.5 was doing. | Sep 07 02:27 |
trmanco | but it's slightly fatter than gnome | Sep 07 02:27 |
schestowitz | DId you get 3d going? | Sep 07 02:27 |
schestowitz | It's FAST | Sep 07 02:27 |
schestowitz | Very | Sep 07 02:27 |
schestowitz | Spinning cube thing | Sep 07 02:27 |
schestowitz | Like 25 fps | Sep 07 02:27 |
schestowitz | EVen on a display 3500px wide | Sep 07 02:27 |
*trmanco thinks it might be the gnome residue processes that are making kde fat | Sep 07 02:27 | |
trmanco | 25? | Sep 07 02:27 |
trmanco | mine doesn't get below 50 | Sep 07 02:27 |
trmanco | while spinning | Sep 07 02:28 |
very cool report | Sep 07 02:33 | |
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If it's that bug free, I expect it to bump into Debian testing sooner than later. | Sep 07 02:34 | |
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trmanco | maybe I just have a well supported card | Sep 07 02:35 |
trmanco | or well supported hardware, dunno | Sep 07 02:35 |
schestowitz | roy@baine:~$ uptime | Sep 07 02:36 |
schestowitz | 01:03:15 up 223 days, 14:04, 2 users, load average: 0.04, 0.03, 0.01 | Sep 07 02:36 |
oiaohm | Video card drivers and card both are factors trmanco | Sep 07 02:36 |
schestowitz | trmanco: don't know, didn't measure. Eye can't discern beyond ~25 | Sep 07 02:36 |
trmanco | I have (had) a good card | Sep 07 02:36 |
schestowitz | /Human/ eye that is | Sep 07 02:36 |
trmanco | you can feel it though | Sep 07 02:37 |
schestowitz | fabs from Linux Outlaws got burned by nvidia | Sep 07 02:37 |
funny. Someone tagged my last Slashdot Story Submission, "shit" http://slashdot.org/submission/1067713/Beyond-Trust-Warns-that-UAC-is-Still-Broken | Sep 07 02:37 | |
schestowitz | One among many | Sep 07 02:37 |
trmanco | and good drivers I guess | Sep 07 02:37 |
schestowitz | Lost his PC | Sep 07 02:37 |
trmanco | oss ones | Sep 07 02:37 |
schestowitz | twitter: he left traces of self on story | Sep 07 02:37 |
I do not know if they were referring to the story or UAC. | Sep 07 02:37 | |
schestowitz | Shameless self-promotion | Sep 07 02:38 |
schestowitz | :-p | Sep 07 02:38 |
ah, very nice. | Sep 07 02:38 | |
I realized that Google does not search for "M$" | Sep 07 02:38 | |
Because my point is to expose M$, I'm going to make things easier on Google than myself. :) | Sep 07 02:39 | |
oiaohm | Wonder what mean of the word twitter | Sep 07 02:39 |
schestowitz | Need help... | Sep 07 02:40 |
schestowitz | └─(02:39 $)─> cron ./Main/Programs/Scripts/Definitions/cron | Sep 07 02:40 |
schestowitz | cron: can't open or create /var/run/crond.pid: Permission denied | Sep 07 02:40 |
schestowitz | ┌─(roy@roy Mon, 07 Sep 09)─——————————————————————————————————─(/home/roy)────┐ | Sep 07 02:40 |
schestowitz | └─(02:39 $)─> sudo cron ./Main/Programs/Scripts/Definitions/cron | Sep 07 02:40 |
schestowitz | [sudo] password for roy: | Sep 07 02:40 |
schestowitz | cron: can't lock /var/run/crond.pid, otherpid may be 2676: Resource temporarily unavailable | Sep 07 02:40 |
schestowitz | ┌─(roy@roy Mon, 07 Sep 09)─——————————————————————————————————─(/home/roy)────┐ | Sep 07 02:40 |
schestowitz | └─(02:39 $)─> cron | Sep 07 02:40 |
schestowitz | cron: can't open or create /var/run/crond.pid: Permission denied | Sep 07 02:40 |
It was something you noticed, Roy, how positive M$ articles are filled with Windows keywords but negative stories avoid the mention of any terms. | Sep 07 02:40 | |
schestowitz | Write "Microsoft". It gets seen as more reasonable | Sep 07 02:41 |
Ubuntu has some very annoying root lockout. | Sep 07 02:41 | |
schestowitz | "Vista 7" is porky funny | Sep 07 02:41 |
schestowitz | Like "Digital RESTRICTIONS management" | Sep 07 02:41 |
trmanco | maybe cron is in use already | Sep 07 02:41 |
schestowitz | I guess I can't do cron then | Sep 07 02:41 |
schestowitz | By whom? | Sep 07 02:41 |
to get a root sign on, use "sudo passwrd" | Sep 07 02:42 | |
oiaohm | Hmm wonder if apparmor is stuffed up again in ubuntu. | Sep 07 02:42 |
make a password and go to town. | Sep 07 02:42 | |
schestowitz | └─(02:40 $)─> cron -l | Sep 07 02:42 |
schestowitz | cron: can't open or create /var/run/crond.pid: Permission denied | Sep 07 02:42 |
trmanco | it's still an alpha | Sep 07 02:42 |
oiaohm | I guess you have checked the permissions that cron can create taht schestowitz | Sep 07 02:42 |
trmanco | but that's really strange | Sep 07 02:42 |
oiaohm | Not really. | Sep 07 02:42 |
schestowitz | oiaohm: no apparmor | Sep 07 02:42 |
schestowitz | It's kubuntu | Sep 07 02:42 |
trmanco | just log in as root | Sep 07 02:42 |
trmanco | :-P | Sep 07 02:42 |
trmanco | su | Sep 07 02:42 |
oiaohm | ubuntu apparmor is enabled by default even in kubuntu | Sep 07 02:42 |
oiaohm | Unless you picked some other LSM to install. | Sep 07 02:43 |
oiaohm | apparmor only on services. | Sep 07 02:43 |
schestowitz | root@roy:~# cron /home/roy/Main/Programs/Scripts/Definitions/cron | Sep 07 02:43 |
schestowitz | cron: can't lock /var/run/crond.pid, otherpid may be 2676: Resource temporarily unavailable | Sep 07 02:43 |
trmanco | time for some shuteye | Sep 07 02:43 |
trmanco | ok | Sep 07 02:43 |
trmanco | now that strange | Sep 07 02:43 |
ah | Sep 07 02:44 | |
trmanco | is | Sep 07 02:44 |
trmanco | kill -9 2676 :-P | Sep 07 02:44 |
schestowitz | oiaohm: apparmor not running | Sep 07 02:44 |
schestowitz | root@roy:~# kill -9 2676 | Sep 07 02:45 |
schestowitz | root@roy:~# cron /home/roy/Main/Programs/Scripts/Definitions/cron | Sep 07 02:45 |
schestowitz | root@roy:~# | Sep 07 02:45 |
"/etc/init.d/cron restart" ? | Sep 07 02:45 | |
trmanco | it worked | Sep 07 02:45 |
trmanco | ? | Sep 07 02:45 |
schestowitz | root@roy:~# /etc/init.d/cron restart | Sep 07 02:45 |
schestowitz | * Restarting periodic command scheduler cron [ OK ] | Sep 07 02:45 |
there you go | Sep 07 02:46 | |
schestowitz | root@roy:~# exit | Sep 07 02:46 |
schestowitz | logout | Sep 07 02:46 |
schestowitz | ┌─(roy@roy Mon, 07 Sep 09)─——————————————————————————————————─(/home/roy)────┐ | Sep 07 02:46 |
schestowitz | └─(02:46 $)─> cron -l | Sep 07 02:46 |
schestowitz | cron: can't open or create /var/run/crond.pid: Permission denied | Sep 07 02:46 |
schestowitz | ┌─(roy@roy Mon, 07 Sep 09)─——————————————————————————————————─(/home/roy)────┐ | Sep 07 02:46 |
trmanco | :| | Sep 07 02:46 |
trmanco | sudo cron | Sep 07 02:46 |
ls -lh /var/run/cron.pid | Sep 07 02:46 | |
what are the permissions on it? | Sep 07 02:46 | |
trmanco | only root can rwx | Sep 07 02:47 |
schestowitz | Oh no | Sep 07 02:47 |
trmanco | other are --- --- I guess | Sep 07 02:47 |
trmanco | s | Sep 07 02:47 |
schestowitz | I'm an idiot | Sep 07 02:47 |
he he | Sep 07 02:47 | |
schestowitz | It's crontab, I think | Sep 07 02:47 |
trmanco | heh | Sep 07 02:47 |
trmanco | yes that's the file | Sep 07 02:47 |
trmanco | just use kde's task manager | Sep 07 02:47 |
schestowitz | Mea culpa | Sep 07 02:48 |
kcron is nice | Sep 07 02:48 | |
trmanco | in settings tab [advanced] | Sep 07 02:48 |
trmanco | yes | Sep 07 02:48 |
schestowitz | It's not a bug | Sep 07 02:48 |
schestowitz | It's my bad memory | Sep 07 02:48 |
tell us what you did so we can avoid the mistake | Sep 07 02:48 | |
schestowitz | It's crontab, not cran | Sep 07 02:48 |
trmanco | :) | Sep 07 02:48 |
schestowitz | I was't thinking | Sep 07 02:48 |
you have a lot of interesting scripts | Sep 07 02:48 | |
schestowitz | One of my crons crawls BN once a daY | Sep 07 02:48 |
schestowitz | makes dumps for backups | Sep 07 02:49 |
schestowitz | There are many other jobs | Sep 07 02:49 |
schestowitz | Like revolving .sigs and doing maintenance | Sep 07 02:49 |
well the pid file only has a number in it, what were you trying to do with it? | Sep 07 02:49 | |
trmanco | gn guys | Sep 07 02:49 |
later trmanco | Sep 07 02:49 | |
I had an idea for a pda file server. My Zaurus has both a SD and CF card slot. | Sep 07 02:51 | |
It would be nice to find a CF USB adapter and then plug a lot of drives and devices into a USB hub. | Sep 07 02:52 | |
*schestowitz just sent a bug report | Sep 07 02:52 | |
I've got a CF network card and a USB HD adapter. | Sep 07 02:52 | |
A card reader for the network card and a USB network adapter or two and a few external hard drives would make a nice low power file server. | Sep 07 02:54 | |
This can be done with any PDA that has CF and a gnu/linux port. | Sep 07 02:54 | |
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balzac | lart | Sep 07 02:59 |
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_Hicham_ | schestowitz : what is the bug report about ? | Sep 07 03:04 |
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Grim Investments. Bundled bets on death as the next big investment scam. http://chattahbox.com/us/2009/09/06/wall-street-vultures-betting-on-death-if-you-die-early-they-cash-in/ | Sep 07 03:22 | |
schestowitz | Eevrything but pgp works well now. It's always a hard one | Sep 07 03:23 |
schestowitz | I can't read encrypted mail | Sep 07 03:23 |
schestowitz | └─(03:23 $)─> gpg-agent | Sep 07 03:23 |
schestowitz | gpg-agent[9145]: can't connect to `/home/roy/.gnupg/S.gpg-agent': No such file or directory | Sep 07 03:23 |
schestowitz | gpg-agent: no gpg-agent running in this session | Sep 07 03:23 |
ack, you have to move your keys. | Sep 07 03:23 | |
schestowitz | Yes | Sep 07 03:23 |
schestowitz | I did this before, but it took a while. | Sep 07 03:24 |
schestowitz | pgp confused me | Sep 07 03:24 |
schestowitz | kpgp and front ends...? | Sep 07 03:24 |
-> The rating agency involved in the ” early death investments,” DBRS, employs a “mathematics whiz” who has created computer models to manage the risk of investing in life-insurance securitizations. The risk being of course, people living longer than expected. The math wiz, Jan Buckler, also has a PH.D. in nuclear engineering and she has devised a scheme of packaging the bond instruments based on the type of disease to low | Sep 07 03:24 | |
nuclear engineers know pdf and cdf | Sep 07 03:24 | |
gpg is what you are looking for | Sep 07 03:25 | |
kgpg might pull the rest in | Sep 07 03:26 | |
schestowitz | I found gpa | Sep 07 03:26 |
have you coppied your .gnupg ? | Sep 07 03:26 | |
the package is called gnupg2 in Lenny | Sep 07 03:27 | |
schestowitz | gpg command line and output: | Sep 07 03:28 |
schestowitz | /usr/bin/gpg | Sep 07 03:28 |
schestowitz | gpg: gpg-agent is not available in this session | Sep 07 03:28 |
schestowitz | gpg: can't query passphrase in batch mode | Sep 07 03:28 |
schestowitz | gpg: Invalid passphrase; please try again ... | Sep 07 03:28 |
schestowitz | gpg: can't query passphrase in batch mode | Sep 07 03:28 |
schestowitz | gpg: Invalid passphrase; please try again ... | Sep 07 03:28 |
schestowitz | gpg: can't query passphrase in batch mode | Sep 07 03:28 |
schestowitz | Yes, I copied .gnupg | Sep 07 03:28 |
schestowitz | The keys are here, but gpg-agent won't go | Sep 07 03:29 |
schestowitz | gpg: public key decryption failed: bad passphrase | Sep 07 03:29 |
schestowitz | gpg: decryption failed: secret key not available | Sep 07 03:29 |
what mail client? | Sep 07 03:29 | |
schestowitz | Another one: | Sep 07 03:29 |
schestowitz | gpg command line and output: | Sep 07 03:29 |
schestowitz | /usr/bin/gpg | Sep 07 03:29 |
schestowitz | gpg: gpg-agent is not available in this session | Sep 07 03:29 |
schestowitz | gpg: can't query passphrase in batch mode | Sep 07 03:29 |
schestowitz | gpg: Invalid passphrase; please try again ... | Sep 07 03:29 |
schestowitz | gpg: can't query passphrase in batch mode | Sep 07 03:29 |
schestowitz | gpg: Invalid passphrase; please try again ... | Sep 07 03:29 |
schestowitz | gpg: can't query passphrase in batch mode | Sep 07 03:29 |
schestowitz | twitter: either kde or thunderbird+enigmail | Sep 07 03:29 |
have you installed gnupg-agent? | Sep 07 03:30 | |
schestowitz | Ah. Got it in KDE! | Sep 07 03:30 |
schestowitz | Just needed to restart app | Sep 07 03:30 |
:-D | Sep 07 03:30 | |
let us know how kmail is in 4.3 | Sep 07 03:31 | |
schestowitz | gnupg-agent? | Sep 07 03:32 |
schestowitz | or gpg-agent? | Sep 07 03:32 |
schestowitz | gnupg-agent seems liike metapackage or something | Sep 07 03:32 |
schestowitz | Is it a daemon? | Sep 07 03:33 |
I don't know. It just turned up an an apt-cache search and your error messages. | Sep 07 03:34 | |
no need, now that it's working. | Sep 07 03:35 | |
schestowitz | http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-security-4/gpg-gpg-agent-cant-connect-to-root.gnupgs.gpg-agent-611843/ | Sep 07 03:36 |
schestowitz | "I use GPG, bit not the agent. It turns out that S.gpg-agent is a socket (not a file which is what the touch command creates). The gpg-agent listens to gpg, intercepts requests for passphrases and supplies the info so you don't have to type your passphrase all the time." | Sep 07 03:37 |
schestowitz | └─(03:44 $)─> gpg-agent | Sep 07 03:44 |
schestowitz | gpg-agent: gpg-agent running and available | Sep 07 03:44 |
interesting. | Sep 07 03:48 | |
Here's something funny. There's nothing M$ on the google science/tech news page. | Sep 07 03:49 | |
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schestowitz | Solved | Sep 07 03:52 |
schestowitz | Problem: enigmail settings | Sep 07 03:52 |
schestowitz | Was set to "never ask for passphrase" | Sep 07 03:52 |
schestowitz | There's not much going on in my version of igal. I've tried a few times to | Sep 07 03:53 |
schestowitz | make it so it finds movies but always give up because other things are more | Sep 07 03:53 |
schestowitz | pressing. I did make a few sizing modifications so that all thumbnails are | Sep 07 03:53 |
schestowitz | always sized down, not up that I'm happy with. Needless to say, you have to | Sep 07 03:53 |
schestowitz | install the igal package for my copy of igal to work. | Sep 07 03:53 |
schestowitz | the igal_list program is what I really like and I use this trick a lot. It | Sep 07 03:53 |
schestowitz | saves my options and I feed it with find, list cats and that kind of thing. | Sep 07 03:53 |
schestowitz | I have a few "general_rep" programs where the command is the first argument | Sep 07 03:53 |
schestowitz | but I don't use that as much. | Sep 07 03:53 |
schestowitz | My over all photo organization is all by hand. Everything now goes into a | Sep 07 03:53 |
schestowitz | chron directory, which is divided by year. I make indexes and subdirectories | Sep 07 03:53 |
schestowitz | using symlinks and custom index pages with bluefish. Nothing is automated | Sep 07 03:53 |
schestowitz | because I only organize things around themes I think others might be | Sep 07 03:53 |
schestowitz | interested in. My photo collection is slowly becoming a blog of sorts. | Sep 07 03:53 |
schestowitz | I'm sure these are crude and well known techniques, but I thought I'd share | Sep 07 03:53 |
schestowitz | anyway. They work well for me. | Sep 07 03:53 |
schestowitz | Could be said publicly | Sep 07 03:53 |
schestowitz | I put my scripts online on my site | Sep 07 03:54 |
schestowitz | I usually put my code there for spiders to those looking for it | Sep 07 03:54 |
schestowitz | You should upload these modifications too | Sep 07 03:54 |
balzac | schestowitz: what's the latest bad news for Microsoft? | Sep 07 03:58 |
how about a WGA spyware lawsuit? http://www.electronista.com/articles/09/09/04/microsoft.sued.over.wga/ | Sep 07 03:58 | |
Don't know how I missed that one. | Sep 07 03:58 | |
-> Microsoft this week was sued in a Washington district court for allegedly violating privacy laws through Windows XP's Windows Genuine Advantage (WGA) copy protection scheme. Similar to cases filed in 2006, the new class action case accuses Microsoft of falsely representing what information WGA would send to verify the authenticity of Windows and that it would send back information that could be traced back to individual users. | Sep 07 03:59 | |
balzac | sweet | Sep 07 03:59 |
schestowitz | balzac: tons of it tomorrow | Sep 07 03:59 |
schestowitz | I didn't post today | Sep 07 03:59 |
balzac | sweet | Sep 07 03:59 |
schestowitz | Busy upgrading | Sep 07 03:59 |
-> the authentication system is said to provide daily information on the user's IP address and other details that could be used to trace information back to an individual home | Sep 07 03:59 | |
balzac | a Labor Day special | Sep 07 03:59 |
schestowitz | I have about 9 posts coming | Sep 07 04:00 |
balzac | for all the IT workers Microsoft puts the screws to | Sep 07 04:00 |
schestowitz | Labour Day? | Sep 07 04:00 |
schestowitz | Tomorrow?? | Sep 07 04:00 |
balzac | right? | Sep 07 04:00 |
schestowitz | Holiday tomorrow in the US? | Sep 07 04:00 |
balzac | some celebrate on the first Monday of September. | Sep 07 04:00 |
balzac | yep | Sep 07 04:01 |
balzac | may 1st some places | Sep 07 04:01 |
balzac | i guess Americans want to avoid sharing the same day with May Day | Sep 07 04:01 |
balzac | out of anti-communist sentiment | Sep 07 04:01 |
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There are two other WGA spyware lawsuits. http://slashdot.org/submission/1067793/Lawsuit-Claims-WGA-is-Spyware | Sep 07 04:24 | |
schestowitz | Good | Sep 07 04:25 |
schestowitz | That'll give me time to catch up | Sep 07 04:25 |
schestowitz | Another US holiday to some (long weekend) | Sep 07 04:25 |
schestowitz | twitter: yes, I have a post about it coming | Sep 07 04:25 |
schestowitz | I drafted it today while paritioning | Sep 07 04:25 |
:) | Sep 07 04:25 | |
schestowitz | 3:30am here. gn | Sep 07 04:25 |
that is late. | Sep 07 04:26 | |
>ChanServ<op #boycottnovell schestowitz | Sep 07 04:26 | |
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schestowitz | We need op vs the trolls | Sep 07 04:26 |
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schestowitz | bye | Sep 07 04:26 |
fun, but I don't know how to work it. | Sep 07 04:27 | |
might kick myself by accident. | Sep 07 04:27 | |
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Will | twitter, do you happen to know where I might find an archive of the Best Buy slides? Preferrably high quality and easily readable? | Sep 07 05:06 |
twitter1 | just go to the presentation | Sep 07 05:06 |
twitter1 | http://www.overclock.net/windows/569458-microsoft-attack-linux-retail-level-probably.html | Sep 07 05:07 |
Will | twitter: that's why I asked. Photobucket bandwidth exceeded | Sep 07 05:07 |
twitter1 | oh dear, photobucket busted | Sep 07 05:07 |
twitter1 | next time, they should use bayimg | Sep 07 05:08 |
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Will | anyone have copies? | Sep 07 05:08 |
twitter1 | I did not bother. | Sep 07 05:09 |
Will | :( | Sep 07 05:09 |
twitter1 | sorry | Sep 07 05:09 |
Will | I hadn't expected the pictures to go under so soon. | Sep 07 05:09 |
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twitter1 | me neither. I wonder if they got a DMCA notice. | Sep 07 05:10 |
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twitter1 | I might have thumbnails still up on a page. They were readable too. | Sep 07 05:11 |
Will | If it's ok to do so, it would be good to have this stuff mirrored at bn. | Sep 07 05:11 |
Will | twitter: found at end of the article: http://quaoar.ww7.be/ms_fud_of_the_year/569458-microsoft-attack-linux-retail-level-probably.html | Sep 07 05:12 |
twitter1 | don't have it. Check your browser cache. | Sep 07 05:14 |
Will | problem solved. | Sep 07 05:15 |
Will | I think that was an innocent photobucket problem, but I'd hate to see such quality stuff just disappear. | Sep 07 05:18 |
twitter1 | right. good of them. | Sep 07 05:20 |
__c | trmanco: whoops, sorry, I seem to have overlooked a question from you. It's because of statements like ".Net? No thanks" and "I don't need .Net or any fancy web service." | Sep 07 05:22 |
__c | trmanco: I'm happy to be proved incorrect, though ^_^. | Sep 07 05:22 |
twitter1 | lol http://bayimg.com/HAddaaACi | Sep 07 05:39 |
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Will | twitter1: nice pic | Sep 07 05:56 |
twitter1 | I don't know who did it. Very funny. | Sep 07 05:57 |
twitter1 | He's got more of the face people in these corporate meetings really have. | Sep 07 05:58 |
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Will | I've got more MS channel propaganda for schestowitz, this time from Staples: | Sep 07 06:46 |
Will | http://ixnotes.wordpress.com/2009/09/06/microsoft-propaganda-handed-out-to-staples-employees/ | Sep 07 06:46 |
Will | This "training" goes after the full triple threat: Linux, netbooks, and Macs. | Sep 07 06:47 |
Diablo-D3 | why the fuck does microsoft hate netbooks? | Sep 07 06:51 |
Diablo-D3 | they could reprint xp embedded as "7 micro" or "7 nano" or "7 bill gates's cock" | Sep 07 06:51 |
Diablo-D3 | fucking idiots and their allergy to money | Sep 07 06:52 |
Diablo-D3 | and yes, for those playing at home, I did infact list SI prefixes in order of size, largest to smallest | Sep 07 06:52 |
cubezzz | allergy to money? Gates? | Sep 07 06:54 |
Diablo-D3 | cubezzz: have you seen microsoft's stupidity lately? | Sep 07 06:55 |
cubezzz | perhaps not | Sep 07 06:55 |
Diablo-D3 | all these oppertunities to make money | Sep 07 06:55 |
Diablo-D3 | and they pass them all up | Sep 07 06:55 |
Will | Netbooks kill MS margins, and they provide a dangerous potential vector for greater Linux adoption. | Sep 07 06:55 |
Diablo-D3 | Will: see what I wrote above | Sep 07 06:56 |
cubezzz | well, I think part of it would be XP and newer windows would run very slow on a netbook, hence Microsoft wants everyone to make beefier netbooks | Sep 07 06:56 |
cubezzz | less powerful netbooks are for the chop | Sep 07 06:56 |
Will | Diablo-D3 : right, but they'd have to give it away for a song. | Sep 07 06:57 |
Will | otherwise the OEMS might start looking at Linux. | Sep 07 06:57 |
Will | unless backroom deals restrict them there. | Sep 07 06:57 |
Will | which is likely. | Sep 07 06:57 |
cubezzz | are you ixnotes Diablo-D3? | Sep 07 06:57 |
Diablo-D3 | cubezzz: who or what is ixnotes? | Sep 07 06:58 |
Diablo-D3 | Will: they could give it away for next to free | Sep 07 06:58 |
Diablo-D3 | and just kill linux | Sep 07 06:58 |
Diablo-D3 | microsoft needs to learn how to play the game | Sep 07 06:58 |
cubezzz | looks like another blog about Linux and Microsoft | Sep 07 06:59 |
Will | They're having a hard enough time getting people of XP as it is. | Sep 07 06:59 |
Diablo-D3 | Will: thats why they fail | Sep 07 06:59 |
Diablo-D3 | if XP works so damned well for a lot of people, just sell XP to them again | Sep 07 07:00 |
cubezzz | yeah, I think this really is the beginning of the end of their dominance | Sep 07 07:00 |
Will | Diablo-D3: agreed there. | Sep 07 07:00 |
Diablo-D3 | XP embedded is basically perfect for small scale machines | Sep 07 07:00 |
Diablo-D3 | just sell it again under the 7 brand and instant profit | Sep 07 07:01 |
Diablo-D3 | but hey, if microsoft wants to give ANOTHER market to linux, thats up to them | Sep 07 07:01 |
Diablo-D3 | they already lost the enterprise war eons ago | Sep 07 07:01 |
Diablo-D3 | (enterprise == largest computer market of them all) | Sep 07 07:01 |
cubezzz | no source code though, re: XP embedded | Sep 07 07:02 |
cubezzz | at least not without an NDA | Sep 07 07:02 |
Will | That Apple ad above marketing vs. fixing Vista really nailed it. | Sep 07 07:02 |
Will | s/above/about | Sep 07 07:02 |
Will | It's no longer about improvement. It's all about flashy marketing and lipstick now | Sep 07 07:03 |
cubezzz | I don't think MIcrosoft is even very good | Sep 07 07:03 |
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cubezzz | except they are decent at Marketing | Sep 07 07:03 |
cubezzz | the product itself is not that appealing | Sep 07 07:04 |
Will | but most people don't know any better. | Sep 07 07:08 |
Will | Or they are too scared to peak over the Microsoft wall. | Sep 07 07:09 |
Will | We can give people the "red pill", but we can't (nor should we) force it down their throat. | Sep 07 07:10 |
cubezzz | the switchover is starting though | Sep 07 07:11 |
cubezzz | spreading not into the stores, but online and word of mouth | Sep 07 07:15 |
Will | I've seen more happen in the last 3 years than in the 10 before that. | Sep 07 07:15 |
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Will | Honestly I wouldn't have predicted this much progress back in 2005. | Sep 07 07:16 |
cubezzz | I've shown a number of people Fedora 10, and setup dual boot with XP on their laptops | Sep 07 07:17 |
Will | I won't try to predict a timeline, but I do think, unless MS radically changes for real, the downfall will slowly accelerate as it continues. | Sep 07 07:17 |
cubezzz | Palm Pre is linux based and Bell is flogging it big-time here in Canada | Sep 07 07:18 |
Will | cubezzz: always keep Office in mind. People that might not be ready to switch their operating system might still be open to OpenOffice for Windows. If they like it, that's more money in their pocket (not in MS's pocket), and one less barrier if they switch to Linux later on. | Sep 07 07:19 |
Will | cubezzz: I've heard those stories about the Pre phoning home on its users. Haven't investigated it to get to the details since I'm not looking to buy a Pre though. | Sep 07 07:20 |
cubezzz | Will, unfortunately a lot of people complain about OpenOffice and to a lesser degree xpdf | Sep 07 07:20 |
cubezzz | i.e. xpdf has trouble with some documents, ditto for OO | Sep 07 07:21 |
cubezzz | well, yeah it's a phone... I want a Linux pda not a phone | Sep 07 07:21 |
cubezzz | everyone seems to want to see phones | Sep 07 07:22 |
cubezzz | sell | Sep 07 07:22 |
Will | I mean phoning home about your app usage pattern, possibly gps location, etc. | Sep 07 07:22 |
Will | with no way to turn that off. But again, I haven't looked into it closely. | Sep 07 07:22 |
*cubezzz nods | Sep 07 07:23 | |
cubezzz | it's good to know if it does | Sep 07 07:23 |
Will | http://www.intomobile.com/2009/08/12/palm-pre-phones-home-with-user-location-data.html | Sep 07 07:23 |
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Will | cubezzz: about OpenOffice, stuff like that can happen, but fortunately, open source software on average usually improves over time, so sooner or later OpenOffice may fix those specific issues. | Sep 07 07:26 |
Will | The OO of about 6 years ago was completely unusable next to MS Office. Now, I feel comfortable suggesting it as an option. | Sep 07 07:27 |
Will | (Especially after watching first-hand some spectacular MS Office failures. I've seen documents and presentations made on one computer with Office 2007 get completely mangled beyond legibility when projected from a different computer running Office 2007) | Sep 07 07:29 |
twitter1 | Byfield is mouthing off again. http://itmanagement.earthweb.com/osrc/article.php/3837581 | Sep 07 07:30 |
twitter1 | He seems unaware of KDE usability studies that consistently show KDE being more efficient for users than Windows. | Sep 07 07:31 |
twitter1 | Lower number of mouse clicks and less time to complete given tasks, especially for people with less "computer" or Windows experience. | Sep 07 07:32 |
twitter1 | He also seems unaware of many specialized applications that deliver much of the functionality of command line interfaces. | Sep 07 07:32 |
cubezzz | compare a 256 meg Fedora with a 256 meg XP | Sep 07 07:33 |
cubezzz | XP would be just about unusable | Sep 07 07:33 |
twitter1 | no, he's talking about interfaces with all other things being equal - give the poor XP more RAM. | Sep 07 07:34 |
twitter1 | for instance, he bemoans file managers, " you get file managers, for instance, that have less than a third of the functionality of basic commands like cp or mv." | Sep 07 07:34 |
twitter1 | That's silly. Konqueror has krename as an option, which delivers all sorts of function to move and copy operations. | Sep 07 07:35 |
Will | So... wait a minute. Linux "isn't ready for the desktop" because "people have to use the command line too much"... and now Linux "is loosing its way/going in the wrong direction" because people don't have to use the command line anymore??? | Sep 07 07:37 |
twitter1 | It is true that some people mistake GUIs the way he's talking, but it's clear that not everyone falls into that trap and there are great utilities available in the free software world. | Sep 07 07:37 |
twitter1 | I think his main gripe is that Gnome is stupid. | Sep 07 07:37 |
twitter1 | BB is subtle FUD. | Sep 07 07:37 |
twitter1 | He throws mud on everyone and ignores the strength of free software, such as I have mentioned above. | Sep 07 07:38 |
twitter1 | The fact of the matter is that a GUI is supposed to be simplified but never limiting. | Sep 07 07:38 |
twitter1 | KDE has done a very good job of exposing power without creating clutter that defeats efficiency | Sep 07 07:39 |
twitter1 | BB misses this somehow in his griping. | Sep 07 07:39 |
cubezzz | not to mention you have all the source code and can write your own windows manager :) | Sep 07 07:39 |
Will | With Gnome, he might have a point. With KDE... even the kitchen sink has a kitchen sink thrown in. | Sep 07 07:39 |
cubezzz | Gnome is OK | Sep 07 07:39 |
Will | I've been using Gnome ever since the KDE 4 switch. It's not quite as configurable as KDE, but I haven't found it particularly constricting... the newer releases anyway. | Sep 07 07:41 |
cubezzz | it's good to know a few different operating systems | Sep 07 07:41 |
Will | Still biding my time to switch back to KDE, my first Linux DE. | Sep 07 07:41 |
twitter1 | Gnome is OK. It bugs me but it works. | Sep 07 07:42 |
Will | Well, it's kinda like my experience with OSX. It has a nice, shiny interface. And it usually stays out of the way and lets you get things done. But it is what it is; take it wholesale or leave it. You have all kinds of choices with Linux. Some people like choice, others like to have choices made for them. | Sep 07 07:44 |
twitter1 | BB goes on to whine about hidden information as if software where you can get the source code is hiding anything. | Sep 07 07:44 |
twitter1 | documentation of software on free systems is first rate, even for Gnome. Just use man. | Sep 07 07:45 |
twitter1 | the answers come up. | Sep 07 07:45 |
Will | man is excellent. | Sep 07 07:46 |
twitter1 | The most annoying parts of BB's argument is this, "usability in free software still needs improvement," as if there's something better out there. | Sep 07 07:48 |
twitter1 | There isn't. | Sep 07 07:48 |
Will | twitter1: being able to see the source code is good, but I'd never want that to be the first/only place to look for documentation. | Sep 07 07:49 |
twitter1 | Well, of course it is not, but no one can claim that free software authors hide anything. | Sep 07 07:50 |
Will | true | Sep 07 07:50 |
twitter1 | First there's they program's menus, then it's help, then man pages and documentation that comes with the distro, and finally source code which is authoritative. | Sep 07 07:51 |
Will | (although some perl authors can probably come close) ;) | Sep 07 07:51 |
twitter1 | even obfuscated, code does not lie. | Sep 07 07:51 |
Will | joking, joking | Sep 07 07:51 |
twitter1 | Obfuscated C contests are very interesting. | Sep 07 07:52 |
twitter1 | BB often writes these "Linux is chasing commercial software's tail lights articles." | Sep 07 07:53 |
twitter1 | This last one is pretty bad. | Sep 07 07:53 |
twitter1 | here's an interesting distro http://www.tuxradar.com/content/how-be-anonymous-online-incognito | Sep 07 07:54 |
twitter1 | It is worth looking at to see how it configures things. | Sep 07 07:54 |
__c | heh, I also loved the IOCCC. I wonder what's happened to that ... | Sep 07 07:56 |
Will | perl poetry is fun too. | Sep 07 07:56 |
Will | It compiles in both perl and english. | Sep 07 07:57 |
MinceR | compiles in english? :> | Sep 07 07:57 |
__c | Will: definitely, I've got this awesome JAPH shirt with "DNA" written all down the right-hand-sleeve. When run, it prints out "Just Another Perl Hacker" ;). | Sep 07 07:57 |
__c | Looks really good. | Sep 07 07:58 |
Will | bye all | Sep 07 08:07 |
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[omar_s_hafez] A Funny Movie About The Battle Between Microsoft And Open Source in Arabia. http://bit.ly/36qQfu | Sep 07 09:18 | |
Omar87 | Hi all. | Sep 07 09:19 |
Omar87 | You gotta watch that video! :) | Sep 07 09:19 |
schestowitz | Omar87: hah. | Sep 07 09:36 |
__c | Omar87: mmm, too slow. Jordanian cinema has something to learn about timing ;). | Sep 07 09:38 |
Omar87 | schestowitz: What? | Sep 07 09:39 |
Omar87 | __c: True. | Sep 07 09:39 |
Omar87 | __c: Jordanian cinema still has a very long marathonic road to walk. | Sep 07 09:40 |
Omar87 | __c: Did you watch it all? | Sep 07 09:41 |
__c | Omar87: half-way through, got bored, stopped. | Sep 07 09:44 |
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__c | Omar87: I could see where it was going, but taking 12 minutes to say that both sides take each other (and themselves) *waaay* too seriously shouldn't take 12.x minutes ^_^ | Sep 07 09:45 |
satipera | Interesting article on intellectual monopolies and potential changing attitudes. Especially last two paragraphs of page 2. http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/Opinion/Columnists/Sudeshna-Sen/Pirates-Party-to-defend-non-commercial-file-sharing/articleshow/4979871.cms?curpg=2 | Sep 07 09:46 |
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schestowitz | Goldman sued over AIG sublease deal http://www.crainsnewyork.com/article/20090827/FREE/908279975 | Sep 07 09:48 |
__c | I'm down with the notion "They say that no artist should need 50 or 70 odd years for commercial success". That's always seemed ludicrous to me. | Sep 07 09:48 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[tracyrreed] Extreme LED sheep herding: Freakin' awesome. Now that's art! http://bit.ly/hHGdk I love the pong. | Sep 07 09:49 | |
schestowitz | I wrote about KDE: http://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2009/09/07/im-in-love-kde-4-3-1/ | Sep 07 10:13 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Some notes about my experiences with KDE4: http://ping.fm/K3iWl #kde !kde | Sep 07 10:13 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[popey] New blog post: "Working Around blip.tv Video Conversion Failures" - http://bit.ly/T7ew4 | Sep 07 10:43 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Patents Roundup: Microsoft. Apple, TiVo, IBM, and Lots More http://ping.fm/Ny6R5 | Sep 07 10:47 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] More Delays in Vista 7 and Other Windows Setbacks http://ping.fm/LEgEo | Sep 07 10:59 | |
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Omar87 | __c: I totally agree. | Sep 07 11:12 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] The New Ubersoft http://ping.fm/zjqUv | Sep 07 11:13 | |
Omar87 | __c: One thing however, that I really disliked about this video is that it doesn't take things seriously. It's just silly pointless humorous video. | Sep 07 11:14 |
schestowitz | Omar87: are you finding typos in BN? | Sep 07 11:24 |
schestowitz | I've made extra efforts since you last checked. | Sep 07 11:25 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Microsoft Still in Court for Failure with Xbox 360 http://ping.fm/G7Sry | Sep 07 11:25 | |
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Microsoft, the Broadcasting Company http://ping.fm/BR510 | Sep 07 11:45 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] popular science *should* have this effect on people http://is.gd/2ZrxP | Sep 07 11:45 | |
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] The Fall of Microsoft Office and the Rise of FOSS vs SaaS Wars http://ping.fm/tJ6e3 | Sep 07 12:20 | |
schestowitz | http://linuxologist.com/advocacy/microsofts-best-buy-lies-about-linux-debunked/ | Sep 07 12:22 |
schestowitz | take a look^ | Sep 07 12:22 |
tessier | schestowitz: Are you currently using any sort of caching on bn such as http://ocaoimh.ie/wp-super-cache/ ? | Sep 07 12:24 |
schestowitz | Yes | Sep 07 12:24 |
schestowitz | wp-cache | Sep 07 12:25 |
schestowitz | Let me recheck | Sep 07 12:25 |
schestowitz | I have supercahce installed, but I enable another plugin for it | Sep 07 12:25 |
schestowitz | "1269 cached pages" | Sep 07 12:25 |
schestowitz | I can increase the #s to lower server load at the expense of how up to date it is | Sep 07 12:26 |
tessier | How long are you currently caching for? | Sep 07 12:26 |
tessier | In what file are these settings defined? | Sep 07 12:26 |
trmanco | gm | Sep 07 12:32 |
tessier | Odd that the server is using so much cpu time and hitting mysql so hard. It has always been like this. | Sep 07 12:35 |
tessier | I'm not sure what it is doing. | Sep 07 12:35 |
tessier | Requests per second: 262.96 [#/sec] (mean) | Sep 07 12:41 |
tessier | That is for a cached url. So the cached url's really fly. Something is uncached and hitting the db hard. That is our biggest bottleneck and makes the site vulnerable. | Sep 07 12:42 |
trmanco | may I suggest something? | Sep 07 12:45 |
oiaohm | Just suggest it trmanco worst we can do is LOL. | Sep 07 12:47 |
trmanco | try removing unnecessarily widgets like the calender, remove one of those rating plugins (why use two?) and maybe limit the number of news posts that appear in each post | Sep 07 12:51 |
tessier | Yes, that probably has something to do with it. Roy will have to make any such changes. I don't really know anything about wordpress. I'm just poking around wondering what can be done to make the site more resilient. | Sep 07 12:53 |
tessier | And now it is 4am. Time to get some sleep. goodnight all. | Sep 07 12:54 |
schestowitz | tessier: thanks, we'll work on it | Sep 07 12:54 |
trmanco | good night | Sep 07 12:54 |
schestowitz | tessier: I cache for 10 hours | Sep 07 12:54 |
trmanco | other than that, a cache plugin will do | Sep 07 12:54 |
schestowitz | tessier: this is defined in the DB (wordpress plugin) | Sep 07 12:55 |
tessier | 10 hours is surely sufficient. Something isn't getting cached though. | Sep 07 12:55 |
trmanco | but the sire looks pretty light to me | Sep 07 12:55 |
schestowitz | It makes static copies of pages | Sep 07 12:55 |
tessier | Yes, I saw the cache directory. | Sep 07 12:55 |
schestowitz | tessier: that is odd indeed | Sep 07 12:55 |
schestowitz | We have about 300 mysql queries/sec before caching was put in place | Sep 07 12:55 |
schestowitz | THat took it down to like 75 in April | Sep 07 12:56 |
tessier | wp-cache-config contains a line like $cache_acceptable_files = | Sep 07 12:56 |
tessier | I wonder if there isn't something that needs to be added to that to cache some other functionality on the site. | Sep 07 12:56 |
trmanco | super cache may be more efficient | Sep 07 12:57 |
trmanco | I use that one | Sep 07 12:57 |
tessier | Even 75 per second seems high to me. The slow query log contains a number of large joins and other things too. | Sep 07 12:57 |
schestowitz | trmanco: ratings are cached too | Sep 07 12:57 |
schestowitz | SO they are not a big issue afaik | Sep 07 12:57 |
trmanco | are you sure? | Sep 07 12:57 |
schestowitz | I'll switch over to suprcache | Sep 07 12:57 |
trmanco | when one clicks, it has to query the db | Sep 07 12:57 |
tessier | Tons of stuff like select p.comment_ID as ID, count(l.record_id) as counter from wp_comments p left join wp_gdsr_votes_log l on l.id = p.comment | Sep 07 12:58 |
tessier | _ID and l.vote_type = 'cmmthumb' and ip = '121.54.32.35' where p.comment_ID in (66614, 66615, 66616, 66618, 66622, 66630, 666 | Sep 07 12:58 |
schestowitz | trmanco: yes, but not when pulling a page from the server | Sep 07 12:58 |
tessier | 34, 66638, 66703, 66708, 66738, 66755, 66769, 66780, 66781, 66784, 66787, 66797, 66830, 66831, 66832) group by p.comment_ID; | Sep 07 12:58 |
tessier | in the slow query log | Sep 07 12:58 |
schestowitz | push vs pull | Sep 07 12:58 |
trmanco | normally it won't put extra load on your server when loaded because it's javascript, but it does put some load when somebody votes/rates | Sep 07 12:58 |
schestowitz | tessier: there was something slow about pages with many comments | Sep 07 12:59 |
schestowitz | I noticed it before and it's a matter of bad coding I think | Sep 07 12:59 |
tessier | Anyway, have fun. Goodnight. | Sep 07 12:59 |
schestowitz | tessier: thanks a lot | Sep 07 12:59 |
schestowitz | We'll figure it out, for sure | Sep 07 12:59 |
trmanco | it might be that threading plugin? | Sep 07 13:00 |
schestowitz | Trimming is simple once we find the cause, which is likely plug-in related (on/off) | Sep 07 13:00 |
schestowitz | trmanco: quite. | Sep 07 13:00 |
schestowitz | I use some Chinese plugin | Sep 07 13:00 |
trmanco | or maybe the rattings in the comments | Sep 07 13:00 |
trmanco | ratings* | Sep 07 13:00 |
schestowitz | Before WordPress had native support for threading | Sep 07 13:00 |
trmanco | wordpress has it's own threading system but you will need to make some heavy theme changes for it to work | Sep 07 13:01 |
trmanco | it does | Sep 07 13:01 |
Diablo-D3 | lol php threads | Sep 07 13:01 |
schestowitz | The issue os previous threads | Sep 07 13:01 |
schestowitz | If I drop the plugin for WordPress' built-in, it will lose the tree structure in older threads | Sep 07 13:02 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Another Front Group with Microsoft Employees Joins Coalition Against Google http://ping.fm/OBGhg | Sep 07 13:02 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[popey] making sausage casserole whilst sophie jumps on the bouncy castle some more | Sep 07 13:05 | |
trmanco | it might | Sep 07 13:08 |
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schestowitz | Hey, wallclimber | Sep 07 13:25 |
schestowitz | I was just writing about Utah | Sep 07 13:25 |
wallclimber | good morning! | Sep 07 13:25 |
schestowitz | Is it holiday over there? | Sep 07 13:25 |
wallclimber | what's happening in utah? | Sep 07 13:25 |
wallclimber | yes, it's Labor Day today, a three-day weekend...yay! | Sep 07 13:25 |
wallclimber | i've been very very lazy for the last two days | Sep 07 13:26 |
schestowitz | Great. | Sep 07 13:29 |
schestowitz | This gives me time to catch up | Sep 07 13:29 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Microsoft Lays Off More Employees Across the US, But Hires Near SCO http://ping.fm/HYjYJ | Sep 07 13:29 | |
schestowitz | I have your mail still "unread" | Sep 07 13:29 |
schestowitz | wallclimber: tried kde 4.3 yet? It's great. | Sep 07 13:30 |
schestowitz | Even trmanco likes it, and he's a longtime gnomer | Sep 07 13:30 |
wallclimber | I tried it a few months back and had a rather bad experience with it. I've decided to wait until after October to try again. | Sep 07 13:31 |
wallclimber | i'd definitely like to move away from gnome | Sep 07 13:31 |
wallclimber | if i can | Sep 07 13:32 |
wallclimber | so microsoft's hiring in SCO-land? that figures... | Sep 07 13:32 |
oiaohm | KDE is starting to enter stable state again. | Sep 07 13:42 |
wallclimber | what i've seen of kde looks beautiful. | Sep 07 13:48 |
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wallclimber | my experience a couple of months ago didn't discourage me from trying again. | Sep 07 13:49 |
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oiaohm | I would say KDE 4.2 is not exaclty nice wallclimber | Sep 07 13:52 |
oiaohm | Lot of bug removal went into 4.3 and features returned. | Sep 07 13:53 |
wallclimber | why do you say that? | Sep 07 13:53 |
oiaohm | I have run both. | Sep 07 13:53 |
oiaohm | I had lot more seg faults and other evils with 4.2 | Sep 07 13:53 |
wallclimber | i see, yes, i believe you're right | Sep 07 13:54 |
wallclimber | that's why i decided to wait. i like trying new things, but sometimes don't have the time to work out problems | Sep 07 13:55 |
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schestowitz | wallclimber: yes, many features resorted now | Sep 07 13:56 |
schestowitz | Also many widgets | Sep 07 13:56 |
wallclimber | i love widgets | Sep 07 13:56 |
schestowitz | It's like KDE3 just a lot faster, less memory hungry (in my case), and prettier | Sep 07 13:56 |
wallclimber | i'm looking forward to trying it again | Sep 07 13:57 |
schestowitz | I've just changed from Air to Plasma | Sep 07 13:59 |
schestowitz | KDE looks SO good | Sep 07 13:59 |
wallclimber | are you using mandriva? | Sep 07 13:59 |
schestowitz | I still can't do wallpaper slideshow | Sep 07 14:01 |
schestowitz | Unless I'm missing it | Sep 07 14:01 |
schestowitz | wallclimber: no, kubuntu 9.10 | Sep 07 14:01 |
wallclimber | kubuntu is what i tried a while back. it looks really nice, but for some reason it just didn't work well, i wish i'd had more time to work with it | Sep 07 14:02 |
wallclimber | i tried it on impulse last time, next time i'll plan better | Sep 07 14:03 |
schestowitz | Hopefully this function will be resotred | Sep 07 14:05 |
schestowitz | I like it when the wallpapers change every 5 minutes | Sep 07 14:06 |
schestowitz | Also, I noticed that each monitor can now be assigned its own wallpaper | Sep 07 14:06 |
wallclimber | i've been considering hooking up a second monitor to my main work machine. have never tried that before, it looks like it could be really helpful to have more visual space for my work tools | Sep 07 14:07 |
oiaohm | I am waiting for the change to multi touch. | Sep 07 14:08 |
oiaohm | Things are going to get interesting in the interfaces over the next 12 months. | Sep 07 14:09 |
wallclimber | multi touch is mostly for laptops, yes? | Sep 07 14:09 |
oiaohm | Some tablets for computer also support it wallclimber | Sep 07 14:09 |
schestowitz | wallclimber: yes, give dual-head a go | Sep 07 14:10 |
wallclimber | like wacom? | Sep 07 14:10 |
schestowitz | If your GPU supports it | Sep 07 14:10 |
schestowitz | Even use an old CRT for it | Sep 07 14:10 |
schestowitz | Put it to good use | Sep 07 14:10 |
wallclimber | interesting | Sep 07 14:10 |
oiaohm | Not all watcoms wallclimber | Sep 07 14:10 |
schestowitz | Linux voice dictation might be worth something | Sep 07 14:11 |
oiaohm | Basically we are going into a interface change. Were we end up could be interesting. | Sep 07 14:11 |
wallclimber | i have a very old, very worn wacom...poor old thing has been used to death...i shall miss it when it's gone. not sure i can afford a new one tho | Sep 07 14:11 |
schestowitz | But it seems useful in mobile devices where input is tricky, esp. on the move | Sep 07 14:11 |
oiaohm | Really I have not found voice dictation that works for me. | Sep 07 14:11 |
oiaohm | Other than humans. | Sep 07 14:11 |
oiaohm | Multi touch support is being looked at for 3d tools. Blender already has a patch for it. | Sep 07 14:12 |
__c | grr @ blender | Sep 07 14:12 |
__c | Frankly, I wish the blasted thing would hurry up and die | Sep 07 14:12 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] How Microsoft Sponsors Events Only to Crash Them http://ping.fm/mjNGI | Sep 07 14:12 | |
__c | Make way for something better... | Sep 07 14:12 |
oiaohm | __c Blender is not going to die. | Sep 07 14:13 |
oiaohm | But its interface is going to change. | Sep 07 14:13 |
*__c suspects this | Sep 07 14:13 | |
wallclimber | i have blender installed, but haven't done more than read a few tutorials. | Sep 07 14:13 |
oiaohm | To something reprogramable on fly __c | Sep 07 14:13 |
__c | I'll be really, really, really happy with that. It's UI is the most crippling rubbish I've seen in a while. | Sep 07 14:13 |
schestowitz | Hmmmmmm.... http://www.google.com/search?hl=en-GB&q=kde4+wallpaper+slideshow&sourceid=navclient-ff&rlz=1B5GGGL_enGB315GB316&ie=UTF-8 | Sep 07 14:13 |
__c | Blender itself is great. But I'd rather use POVRay than that hideous interface... | Sep 07 14:14 |
oiaohm | http://www.blender.org/development/current-projects/blender-25-project/ << __c | Sep 07 14:14 |
oiaohm | Yes too much time for years was spent on adding features with no time spent on interface and it showed __c | Sep 07 14:15 |
schestowitz | http://forum.kde.org/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=9248 http://forum.compiz.org/showthread.php?t=11458 | Sep 07 14:15 |
schestowitz | Aha!!! | Sep 07 14:15 |
schestowitz | Found it | Sep 07 14:15 |
schestowitz | Hidden (folded) option 0 | Sep 07 14:15 |
wallclimber | :) | Sep 07 14:15 |
schestowitz | It's all there | Sep 07 14:15 |
schestowitz | I remember the option in kde 3.1 | Sep 07 14:15 |
schestowitz | it was a cluttered gui | Sep 07 14:16 |
schestowitz | They tidied up in 3.3 and 3.5 | Sep 07 14:16 |
schestowitz | Now it's a lot smaller (the gui) with complexity hidden away | Sep 07 14:16 |
oiaohm | __c you make one of the most common mistakes. Lot of people call for project to die to make way. Some cases it just needs a major interface fix up. | Sep 07 14:17 |
schestowitz | So cool! There are gradient transitions! | Sep 07 14:17 |
schestowitz | Every 10 seconds !! [me excited] | Sep 07 14:17 |
wallclimber | lol | Sep 07 14:18 |
__c | oiaohm: mmm, true. I was only half-serious when I said it; if the new interface works intuitively enough, I could try my hardest to forget the trauma of the past ^_^. | Sep 07 14:18 |
oiaohm | The new interface truely can be recoded on the fly __c | Sep 07 14:23 |
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oiaohm | So its not like any other tool you have ever used. menus keyboard short cuts the lot __c | Sep 07 14:23 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] My mind is still blown by how polished and feature-rich #kde has become in kde 4.3. It's a must-try for everyone. | Sep 07 14:23 | |
__c | oiaohm: you use blender often? | Sep 07 14:24 |
oiaohm | Blender is now basically 100 percent interface skinable. | Sep 07 14:24 |
oiaohm | Yes for some parts rendering. | Sep 07 14:24 |
oiaohm | I will like the means to align keyboard short cuts with the other tools I use. | Sep 07 14:25 |
oiaohm | Less god darn typos. | Sep 07 14:25 |
__c | oiaohm: then I defer to your judgment. I would settle for simple usability, much like almost every 3D package on Windows has. If they put in sensible defaults, I would take great pleasure from NOT redesigning the interface. | Sep 07 14:26 |
__c | There's another package I've used on Linux that is awesome, I can't remember it's name. | Sep 07 14:26 |
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oiaohm | No 3d package out the has aligned short cuts. | Sep 07 14:26 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] ♻ @schestowitz: My mind is still blown by how polished and feature-rich #kde has become in kde 4.3. It's a must-try for everyone. | Sep 07 14:26 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] @schestowitz yes, it is rather good :-) finally release quality ;-) | Sep 07 14:26 | |
oiaohm | Or interface style __c | Sep 07 14:27 |
oiaohm | maya is not much better than blender. | Sep 07 14:27 |
__c | Ahhh! That's it. Wings3D. Now there's an interface that is intuitive enough. | Sep 07 14:28 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Firefox Mozilla Mockups for version 4 http://ping.fm/Gahka | Sep 07 14:28 | |
oiaohm | Blender after the change could be skined to have the same interface __c | Sep 07 14:32 |
oiaohm | Wings3d lacks a lot of features blender has. | Sep 07 14:32 |
schestowitz | trmanco: alt+t,b works in knode in kde4 | Sep 07 14:33 |
schestowitz | I've just checked | Sep 07 14:33 |
schestowitz | Same as prior versions | Sep 07 14:33 |
trmanco | grr | Sep 07 14:34 |
trmanco | I have lack of experience | Sep 07 14:34 |
trmanco | what do you mean by t,b? | Sep 07 14:34 |
__c | oiaohm: yes, it does. But here's the thing: I'd rather use an intuitive GUI tool than a powerful, but non-intuitive one. It's the same with most GUI applications. | Sep 07 14:36 |
__c | If Blender can have the same interface, that would be incredibly pleasant. More power to them. | Sep 07 14:36 |
oiaohm | Basically no one could decide what the replacement interface should be like __c | Sep 07 14:37 |
oiaohm | So they took the universal solution. | Sep 07 14:37 |
wallclimber | "universal solutions" - that's an awesome way to do things | Sep 07 14:38 |
schestowitz | kde is like rediscovering my gpu and cpu (even ram). | Sep 07 14:38 |
schestowitz | How can a desktop so much rich be so much lighter? | Sep 07 14:38 |
schestowitz | trmanco: alt+T | Sep 07 14:39 |
schestowitz | Then a menu opens | Sep 07 14:39 |
schestowitz | press b | Sep 07 14:39 |
schestowitz | I do lots of these tricks when there's no direct kb accelerator | Sep 07 14:39 |
schestowitz | alt+T+p to pgp-sign messages | Sep 07 14:39 |
trmanco | yes | Sep 07 14:39 |
trmanco | but how do I put text in it? | Sep 07 14:40 |
schestowitz | Otherwise I need the mouse | Sep 07 14:40 |
schestowitz | trmanco: highlight the text first | Sep 07 14:40 |
trmanco | text from anywhere? | Sep 07 14:41 |
schestowitz | Yes, the one you want to be inside the box | Sep 07 14:41 |
schestowitz | The system monitors for kde4 panels are wonderful | Sep 07 14:44 |
schestowitz | include cpu scaling and net-monitors. kde3 didn't have these by default | Sep 07 14:44 |
schestowitz | Mulesoft (Formerly MuleSource) Launches Public Beta of Tcat Server http://www.mulesoft.com/mulesoft-formerly-mulesource-launches-public-beta-tcat-server | Sep 07 14:45 |
schestowitz | Mergers: Commission opens in-depth investigation into proposed takeover of Sun Microsystems by Oracle http://europa.eu/rapid/pressReleasesAction.do?reference=IP/09/1271&format=HTML&aged=0&language=EN&guiLanguage=en | Sep 07 14:46 |
trmanco | I can't get the text in the box | Sep 07 14:46 |
trmanco | :| | Sep 07 14:46 |
trmanco | and if I copy and paste into the box it wont expand | Sep 07 14:46 |
schestowitz | Not FOSS - > MySQL Founders Invest In Cross-Platform Tech Provider Mobile Sorcery http://www.arcticstartup.com/2009/09/02/mysql-founders-invest-in-cross-platform-tech-provider-mobile-sorcery/ | Sep 07 14:47 |
schestowitz | The box just puts a pipe in the first line | Sep 07 14:48 |
schestowitz | Then you need to go line by line hitting enter | Sep 07 14:48 |
schestowitz | It adds the pipes automatically, with indentation too | Sep 07 14:48 |
schestowitz | so down down arrow, ENTER, down arrow, ENTER, down arrow, ENTER | Sep 07 14:48 |
schestowitz | In kde 3.1 it was more complicated to do. It got improved | Sep 07 14:48 |
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trmanco | ahhhh | Sep 07 14:55 |
trmanco | great | Sep 07 14:55 |
trmanco | thanks schestowitz | Sep 07 14:55 |
trmanco | I was use to emacs where it would do everything automatically | Sep 07 14:55 |
trmanco | It looks like I've got the hang of it now | Sep 07 14:55 |
wallclimber | ok...now i'm jealous. i want kde too. maybe i'll swap out one of the drives for an empty one and try kubuntu again... | Sep 07 15:03 |
schestowitz | trmanco: important: | Sep 07 15:03 |
schestowitz | Can you drag and drop in knode? | Sep 07 15:03 |
schestowitz | They seem to have remove the functionality whereby messages can be moved around the folders | Sep 07 15:04 |
trmanco | I don't know | Sep 07 15:04 |
oiaohm | http://lwn.net/Articles/351013/ This is getting interesting it looks like sysinit scripts are going by by. | Sep 07 15:04 |
trmanco | I've been with kde for less than a week... | Sep 07 15:04 |
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schestowitz | trmanco: hmmmmm..... could be tricky this one.... | Sep 07 15:05 |
schestowitz | I also can't move the panes around | Sep 07 15:05 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] freda is under the weather - very clingy and whingy. mum and i are paying her LOTS of attention. | Sep 07 15:06 | |
trmanco | you can't move the panes but you can expose them differently | Sep 07 15:07 |
trmanco | actually | Sep 07 15:07 |
trmanco | you can change the pane's width and height | Sep 07 15:07 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] job I was told "you've basically got it, we just need the paperwork" 2 wks ago is still on hold. recruiter not happy either. still looking. | Sep 07 15:07 | |
schestowitz | trmanco: I want them all lines vertically | Sep 07 15:08 |
schestowitz | I could do that before | Sep 07 15:08 |
wallclimber | is anyone using the karmic alpha 5 version of kubuntu? | Sep 07 15:08 |
schestowitz | Now I don't see an option of even detaching them from main windows | Sep 07 15:08 |
trmanco | ah, I don't think you can do that | Sep 07 15:08 |
schestowitz | And I can't copy messages around | Sep 07 15:08 |
trmanco | it has it's own presets | Sep 07 15:08 |
schestowitz | For most users it's not an issue | Sep 07 15:08 |
schestowitz | wallclimber: me | Sep 07 15:08 |
wallclimber | i'm downloading it now... | Sep 07 15:10 |
wallclimber | what video card do you have? | Sep 07 15:11 |
wallclimber | everything here has nvidia | Sep 07 15:12 |
wallclimber | did you have any problems with it | Sep 07 15:12 |
wallclimber | ? | Sep 07 15:13 |
schestowitz | nvidia | Sep 07 15:14 |
schestowitz | 8600 | Sep 07 15:14 |
schestowitz | No problems at all | Sep 07 15:14 |
schestowitz | I'll tell you how to set it up. Kubuntu makes it dead easy | Sep 07 15:14 |
schestowitz | But these things need to be preinstalled by OEMs | Sep 07 15:14 |
schestowitz | Microsoft would never mention KDE by name ;-) | Sep 07 15:14 |
schestowitz | Just GNOME+Mono | Sep 07 15:15 |
schestowitz | Where Miguel's ratpoison gets put | Sep 07 15:15 |
wallclimber | lol...it was my conversation with jo shields that made me decide to stop using gnome | Sep 07 15:16 |
oiaohm | What is annoying about Nvidia they have not annoced any plans for formal KMS support. | Sep 07 15:16 |
wallclimber | kms? | Sep 07 15:17 |
oiaohm | Kernel Mode Swtiching. | Sep 07 15:17 |
wallclimber | (googling now) | Sep 07 15:17 |
oiaohm | Basically making switching to termal work even if X11 dies. | Sep 07 15:17 |
wallclimber | i see | Sep 07 15:17 |
oiaohm | Alterations to the X11 stack are about moving most of the video driver into userspace where it can not cause kernel panic. | Sep 07 15:18 |
wallclimber | that sounds good | Sep 07 15:18 |
oiaohm | ATI and Intel are onboard. | Sep 07 15:18 |
oiaohm | Via are talking about coming on board. | Sep 07 15:18 |
oiaohm | Only one not to state there possition on it is Nvidia. | Sep 07 15:18 |
wallclimber | i wonder why... any thoughts? | Sep 07 15:19 |
wallclimber | what are they afraid of? | Sep 07 15:19 |
oiaohm | Userspace would make there driver more reversable. | Sep 07 15:20 |
wallclimber | reversable? | Sep 07 15:20 |
oiaohm | Able to work out how there cards work. | Sep 07 15:20 |
wallclimber | meaning versatile? | Sep 07 15:20 |
wallclimber | so they don't want to give up control | Sep 07 15:21 |
oiaohm | Nvidia got control in the first place by destroying the 2002 project to sort out X11. | Sep 07 15:21 |
wallclimber | seems odd. you'd think they'd want customers to be able to use their products | Sep 07 15:22 |
oiaohm | Nvidia has got it dominance by not sharing tech. | Sep 07 15:22 |
oiaohm | Common driver struct really does not help Nvidia keep power. | Sep 07 15:22 |
schestowitz | "Capitalism is evil," says new Michael Moore film http://www.reuters.com/article/newsOne/idUSTRE5850F320090906 | Sep 07 15:23 |
schestowitz | Obama's "green jobs" guru Jones resigns after uproar http://www.reuters.com/article/newsOne/idUSTRE5850B020090906 | Sep 07 15:26 |
wallclimber | oiaohm, i remember reading about an open hardware effort...wouldn't nvidia stand to lose against a trend to more open hardware and specs? | Sep 07 15:27 |
wallclimber | i should try to find that again and see what's happening with it | Sep 07 15:28 |
wallclimber | i'd think nvidia would be very nervous about it | Sep 07 15:28 |
wallclimber | if you think about it, it's got to be a very scary world to the old established companies, with the so much changing away from proprietary stuff | Sep 07 15:31 |
wallclimber | it will be interesting to see which ones adapt and which ones fight it | Sep 07 15:32 |
wallclimber | to the death | Sep 07 15:32 |
schestowitz | nvidia has PR to worry about too | Sep 07 15:37 |
schestowitz | After the hardware flaws it looks grim | Sep 07 15:37 |
schestowitz | Take the Train to Tokyo < http://www.tbray.org/ongoing/When/200x/2009/09/05/Take-the-Train-to-Tokyo > | Sep 07 15:37 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] why rupert murdoch's newspaper business is doomed http://is.gd/2ZPVd | Sep 07 15:37 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[ml2mst] Ik heb mijzelf vandaag getrakteerd op de nieuwe Linux Magzine en Linux Intern. Lekker ouderwets snoepen ;-) | Sep 07 15:41 | |
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schestowitz | wallclimber: http://www.walyou.com/blog/2009/09/04/baby-rocking-ubuntu-linux-script/ | Sep 07 15:58 |
schestowitz | Ubuntu leads to unemployment :-p | Sep 07 15:58 |
DaemonFC | http://www.pcworld.com/article/171534/ps3_slim_sales_trounce_xbox_360_wii_3to1.html | Sep 07 15:58 |
DaemonFC | Lack of PS2/PS1 and Linux support hasn't hurt the PS3 Slim sales | Sep 07 15:58 |
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DaemonFC | schestowitz, http://www.electronista.com/articles/09/09/07/best.buy.told.to.misrepresent.linux/ | Sep 07 16:03 |
DaemonFC | Microsoft giving Best Buy anti-Linux training | Sep 07 16:03 |
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schestowitz | http://linuxologist.com/advocacy/microsofts-best-buy-lies-about-linux-debunked/ | Sep 07 16:03 |
schestowitz | " | Sep 07 16:04 |
schestowitz | Microsoft has been asked about the memos but has neither confirmed nor denied their legitimacy. However, the material is both consistent with Microsoft's visual style as well as its frequent attempts to discredit Linux as a threat, which in the past have involved paid-for studies that allegedly show Windows as superior to Linux for servers. | Sep 07 16:04 |
schestowitz | " | Sep 07 16:04 |
sluttysysadmin | Anyone to discuss about Novell Groupwise 8? | Sep 07 16:04 |
DaemonFC | schestowitz, probably trying to prepare them for the Black Friday sale | Sep 07 16:06 |
schestowitz | I see...... | Sep 07 16:06 |
schestowitz | November? | Sep 07 16:07 |
schestowitz | Halloween? | Sep 07 16:07 |
schestowitz | So actually quite soon | Sep 07 16:07 |
DaemonFC | they probably figure lots of customers will come in looking for netbooks, wouldn't surprise me if Best Buy and Microsoft are coooking up some loss leader netbook with HP or Dell or someone | Sep 07 16:07 |
wallclimber | no the friday after thanksgiving | Sep 07 16:07 |
schestowitz | YEah | Sep 07 16:07 |
DaemonFC | they'll probably do the usual, have some impossibly cheap systems ($150 or so) | Sep 07 16:07 |
schestowitz | Time to drop netbook label? http://www.zdnetasia.com/insight/hardware/0,39043471,62057308,00.htm | Sep 07 16:07 |
DaemonFC | and they'll all run Windows 7 Starter | Sep 07 16:07 |
schestowitz | "Can we all agree on something? There's no longer a difference between a netbook and a notebook. Thanks to netbooks' move to more features and larger-size screens, the distinction between the two can now be considered little more than marketing speak." | Sep 07 16:08 |
DaemonFC | but theyre will only be like 20-30 per store | Sep 07 16:08 |
schestowitz | ^makes Steve and Bill happy | Sep 07 16:08 |
wallclimber | does starter still limit to only 3 apps open? | Sep 07 16:08 |
DaemonFC | that way thousands of people try to get there for 20 laptops | Sep 07 16:08 |
DaemonFC | works every year, Walmart does it too | Sep 07 16:08 |
schestowitz | How many people will be killed THIS BLACK Friday? | Sep 07 16:08 |
DaemonFC | wallclimber, no, Starter has no app limit, but you can't change your wallpaper | Sep 07 16:08 |
DaemonFC | :D | Sep 07 16:08 |
DaemonFC | hehe | Sep 07 16:08 |
schestowitz | Last year's stampede didn't have quite the same depression | Sep 07 16:08 |
schestowitz | DaemonFC: stay away from Wal-Mart | Sep 07 16:09 |
wallclimber | it's called bait and switch, advertise one item and then upsell a more expensive one | Sep 07 16:09 |
schestowitz | wallclimber: not anymore | Sep 07 16:09 |
DaemonFC | schestowitz, they do it every year | Sep 07 16:09 |
schestowitz | printers, razors.. | Sep 07 16:09 |
schestowitz | So Vista 7 is *that* worthless? | Sep 07 16:10 |
DaemonFC | they say the sale doesn't start til 6 AM, but they move the pallets of merchandise out around midnight and the customers start cutting into it themselves | Sep 07 16:10 |
DaemonFC | by the time the 6 AM sale starts, half the merchandise is in people's carts waiting for the registers to allow the sales | Sep 07 16:10 |
schestowitz | Black Friday... keeping people out all night. | Sep 07 16:10 |
schestowitz | What's the benefit of this? | Sep 07 16:10 |
wallclimber | that's for walmarts that are open 24 hours | Sep 07 16:10 |
schestowitz | One big marketing orgy | Sep 07 16:10 |
DaemonFC | you'll get customers showing up with their own box cutters | Sep 07 16:10 |
schestowitz | Once a year | Sep 07 16:10 |
DaemonFC | starting riots to get a $3 coffee maker | Sep 07 16:11 |
wallclimber | most around here close at 10 or 11pm | Sep 07 16:11 |
wallclimber | did you used to work at walmart? | Sep 07 16:11 |
DaemonFC | most Walmarts are 24 hour | Sep 07 16:11 |
DaemonFC | they only close one day a year, that's Christmas | Sep 07 16:11 |
DaemonFC | third shift still has to come in on Christmas around 10 PM | Sep 07 16:11 |
DaemonFC | management has to be there at 8 PM | Sep 07 16:11 |
wallclimber | there are a few here that are 24 hour, but the closest ones to me close at 10 | Sep 07 16:12 |
schestowitz | Totally jokingly I'd say that Black Friday is for the rich to show themselves how 'stupid' those people at the bottom are | Sep 07 16:12 |
schestowitz | Like a man throwing $50 bills off the roof | Sep 07 16:12 |
schestowitz | To see the people beneath huddle like sheep | Sep 07 16:12 |
DaemonFC | schestowitz, When I worked there, I always "set back" all the stuff I was going to get before the sales started | Sep 07 16:12 |
wallclimber | black friday is just retailer's last chance to make money for the year | Sep 07 16:12 |
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DaemonFC | hid it in a returns cart behind layaway | Sep 07 16:12 |
DaemonFC | hehehe | Sep 07 16:12 |
schestowitz | Typical. | Sep 07 16:13 |
wallclimber | the day after christmas there'll be long long long lines of customers bringing things back | Sep 07 16:13 |
DaemonFC | let the customers murder each other over all the shit on the floor while I made my way up front | Sep 07 16:13 |
schestowitz | DaemonFC is cheapskate hunter... also for Microsoft wares | Sep 07 16:13 |
Will | Another link about the Best Buy stuff. Nothing much new here, but a great "demotivational poster" at the end. | Sep 07 16:13 |
Will | http://linuxologist.com/advocacy/microsofts-best-buy-lies-about-linux-debunked/ | Sep 07 16:13 |
wallclimber | i think best buy and microsoft make a perfect pair | Sep 07 16:14 |
schestowitz | wallclimber: yes, Rami is spamming this thing | Sep 07 16:14 |
wallclimber | they belong together | Sep 07 16:14 |
Will | and now Staples too | Sep 07 16:14 |
schestowitz | He did this in Digg and now in Twitter.. private messages that quality as spam | Sep 07 16:14 |
schestowitz | wallclimber: not by name | Sep 07 16:14 |
schestowitz | Windows is a bad buy | Sep 07 16:14 |
DaemonFC | Staples used to sell box sets of Linux and StarOffice | Sep 07 16:15 |
DaemonFC | so did Best Buy | Sep 07 16:15 |
wallclimber | you're right about the name, but they still make a perfect pair | Sep 07 16:15 |
Will | http://ixnotes.wordpress.com/2009/09/06/microsoft-propaganda-handed-out-to-staples-employees/ | Sep 07 16:15 |
DaemonFC | Microsoft has gotten them thinking about all the extra sales they can make, selling you the software Windows doesn't come with | Sep 07 16:15 |
DaemonFC | and "services" like when your Windows PC gets pwned by spyware, they can charge you $75 an hour to fix it | Sep 07 16:16 |
wallclimber | sheesh, staples too... | Sep 07 16:16 |
wallclimber | i'm depressed | Sep 07 16:16 |
DaemonFC | that's all it is, Microsoft and Best Buy joining forces to bend you over and drill, with no lube | Sep 07 16:16 |
wallclimber | ummm...thank you DaemonFC for that colorful, yet creepy description... | Sep 07 16:17 |
DaemonFC | as far as extra software sales, they failed to mention that people like me still buy video games and such with the intention of running them in Wine | Sep 07 16:17 |
DaemonFC | or MP3 players, because Linux does recognize all of them, except the Zune | Sep 07 16:17 |
wallclimber | i thought you didn't like wine | Sep 07 16:18 |
schestowitz | Investigators blind on P2P child abuse < http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/09/07/ceop_report/ > | Sep 07 16:18 |
schestowitz | p2p child abuse?? | Sep 07 16:18 |
schestowitz | Terrorism? | Sep 07 16:18 |
schestowitz | What else? | Sep 07 16:18 |
DaemonFC | what a difference a SecuROM patch and a few hundreds DirectX improvements can make | Sep 07 16:18 |
DaemonFC | yes? | Sep 07 16:18 |
DaemonFC | :D | Sep 07 16:18 |
Will | wallclimber: it's sad, but think of it this way. As another reader here put it, The best way to handle it would be for the salespeople to be like "Linux, what's that? Never heard of it.". The fact that MS is having to train sales people against Linux means that people must be talking about it. | Sep 07 16:19 |
DaemonFC | they've gotten it to where most of my games can nearly keep up with XP | Sep 07 16:19 |
DaemonFC | which is all I really cared about in the first place | Sep 07 16:19 |
DaemonFC | I've heard it even supports Left 4 Dead and Assassins Creed, I may see if I can find a copy of them | Sep 07 16:20 |
wallclimber | Will: I agree, they are making way too much noise about it. it makes people more curious | Sep 07 16:20 |
DaemonFC | wallclimber, Microsoft slipped some Zune "training modules" into the Walmart employee training system | Sep 07 16:21 |
wallclimber | it looks like they've passed the "ignoring" stage...now they're just fighting...badly | Sep 07 16:21 |
DaemonFC | that was funny | Sep 07 16:21 |
schestowitz | Will: so it's not just Best Buy | Sep 07 16:21 |
wallclimber | Daemon, did you keep copies? | Sep 07 16:21 |
schestowitz | Microsoft is giving itself a reputation of a bully again | Sep 07 16:21 |
schestowitz | Must be the "new Microsoft" | Sep 07 16:21 |
DaemonFC | wallclimber, They were hosted on their corporate intranet | Sep 07 16:21 |
DaemonFC | and the kiosked copy of MSIE was all you could run | Sep 07 16:22 |
schestowitz | wallclimber: why be depressed | Sep 07 16:23 |
schestowitz | ? | Sep 07 16:23 |
Will | schestowitz: I'm not sure how to put this, but It still feels a bit odd that MS is simultaneously training people not to sell stuff they don't offer anyway, as well as not to sell stuff they do offer. | Sep 07 16:23 |
schestowitz | "Then they fight you" | Sep 07 16:23 |
schestowitz | They are losing big time | Sep 07 16:23 |
schestowitz | They give Windows for free now | Sep 07 16:23 |
schestowitz | While laying staff off, obviouslyt | Sep 07 16:23 |
DaemonFC | looking back, I could have snapped some pictures with my cell phone, but I'm sure they would have sued | Sep 07 16:23 |
schestowitz | Linux kills their profitability | Sep 07 16:23 |
schestowitz | wallclimber: heh. Beat me to it | Sep 07 16:23 |
wallclimber | well, my karmic kubuntu has finished downloading, i'm off to play now...if i don't show up again, send help | Sep 07 16:23 |
wallclimber | (just kidding) | Sep 07 16:23 |
schestowitz | <wallclimber> it looks like they've passed the "ignoring" stage...now they're just fighting...badly | Sep 07 16:24 |
schestowitz | Didn't see that | Sep 07 16:24 |
wallclimber | bye for now... | Sep 07 16:24 |
wallclimber | :) | Sep 07 16:24 |
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schestowitz | Isn't Microsoft breaking the law here? | Sep 07 16:24 |
schestowitz | If the EU saw this, I mean... they go to shops and try to forbid sales of rivals | Sep 07 16:25 |
DaemonFC | schestowitz, "Truth in Advertising"? | Sep 07 16:25 |
schestowitz | As a monopoly, this should be illegal | Sep 07 16:25 |
schestowitz | Yes, ASA too can deal with the lies | Sep 07 16:25 |
DaemonFC | they probably word their arguments vaguely enough to get away with it | Sep 07 16:25 |
Will | Like I saw somewhere (maybe here, maybe /., can't remember), "Does BMW send stuff to train other car dealers not to sell GM, Chrysler, what-have-you? | Sep 07 16:25 |
schestowitz | Did this at least make the big sites? | Sep 07 16:25 |
schestowitz | Like /.? | Sep 07 16:26 |
schestowitz | The more people are made aware of this, the more they'll laugh at shop staff | Sep 07 16:26 |
Will | the best buy thing got /.ed | Sep 07 16:26 |
schestowitz | aka Microsoft drones | Sep 07 16:26 |
schestowitz | Or Ballmer Youth | Sep 07 16:26 |
Will | BMW relies on its reputation to sell stuff. Apple does the cute ads, but in general they expect people to come to them. MS doesn't have that kind of reputation or rapport | Sep 07 16:27 |
schestowitz | "MS-BS Quotient Off the top of the Charts. Those numbers touting an 11 second boot time are from HIBERNATION files. Not from a cold start. As a result, they are total crap. I did my own "tests" on Win 7. " | Sep 07 16:27 |
schestowitz | http://www.zdnet.co.uk/talkback/0,1000001161,39736283-39001069c-20103766o,00.htm | Sep 07 16:27 |
schestowitz | I'm sure some people have filed complaints | Sep 07 16:29 |
schestowitz | And the public reaction will do them damage too | Sep 07 16:29 |
schestowitz | FOSS developers will be reminded of why Microsoft is a foe | Sep 07 16:30 |
Will | schestowitz: sop for ms. If it were a horse race, they'd brag that their horse was faster, shoot your horse, do the race in a formula 1 car, then claim that they were right, their horse was faster. | Sep 07 16:30 |
schestowitz | The whole "geisha" routine with Sam Ramji won't work | Sep 07 16:30 |
DaemonFC | in my experience, it's always taken nearly as long to resume from hibernation as to boot cold | Sep 07 16:30 |
DaemonFC | it's why I never use that | Sep 07 16:30 |
DaemonFC | I always use stand by or shut down | Sep 07 16:30 |
schestowitz | Kubuntu boots in half a minute or less here | Sep 07 16:31 |
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schestowitz | BIOS and stuff and the boot sequence takes most of the time | Sep 07 16:31 |
schestowitz | Didn't do a bootchart... | Sep 07 16:31 |
twitter1 | heh, suspend to ram is fastest and easiest. | Sep 07 16:32 |
schestowitz | twitter: try linux 2.6.31 | Sep 07 16:32 |
schestowitz | It boots very fast | Sep 07 16:32 |
twitter1 | ten seconds or less, typically. | Sep 07 16:32 |
twitter1 | Yes, but I don't want to boot. I want my work right where I left it. | Sep 07 16:32 |
Will | I honestly don't even know if hibernation works with my laptop under Linux or not. It might, but I've never tried. Ever since 8.04, it boots up faster than XP comes out of hibernation. | Sep 07 16:33 |
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twitter1 | Combine that with months long uptime and virtual desktops and find that gnu/linux has place keeping that windows and OSX can't touch | Sep 07 16:33 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] "Then they fight you..." Microsoft takes the anti-Linux camping to more and more computer shops http://ping.fm/7aeI8 Does the ASA know? | Sep 07 16:35 | |
Will | There's now a drinking game to go with the Windows 7 house parties: | Sep 07 16:35 |
Will | http://notnews.today.com/2009/09/04/microsoft-arranges-spontaneous-house-parties-for-windows-7-launch/ | Sep 07 16:35 |
schestowitz | /s/camping/campaign/ | Sep 07 16:35 |
schestowitz | Will: yeah, he used my GIMPed image too :-p | Sep 07 16:36 |
schestowitz | Bringing contraception to the house party (anti-viral soft ware) | Sep 07 16:36 |
twitter1 | I did my thesis work with a laptop. Suspend to RAM saved me weeks and days worth of effort. Home or office, my work was always where I left it and I did not have to hunt around to find things. | Sep 07 16:37 |
schestowitz | fluff piece: Memory prowess linked to gaming < http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/tayside_and_central/8241348.stm > | Sep 07 16:37 |
Will | twitter found this pic: | Sep 07 16:37 |
Will | http://bayimg.com/HAddaaACi | Sep 07 16:37 |
schestowitz | Can Windows be suspended? :-) | Sep 07 16:37 |
twitter1 | At my previous job, which was a lot easier, it took me half an hour, every day, to boot up XP and remember where I had left off the day before. | Sep 07 16:38 |
schestowitz | Will: he LOVES this company | Sep 07 16:38 |
twitter1 | I'm not sure. XP would bomb on Word resume. | Sep 07 16:38 |
twitter1 | ACPI was total shit for it. | Sep 07 16:38 |
Will | Madness??? This... Is.... VISTA!!!! (Same thing, really) | Sep 07 16:38 |
twitter1 | I don't know any Windows user who had the convenience I did with Debian. | Sep 07 16:39 |
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Will | The deb package system is one of the wonders of the modern computing world. | Sep 07 16:39 |
twitter1 | ACPI is more or less reliable for gnu/linux. You need to have an application like klaptop working to make it go though. | Sep 07 16:40 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] "I. Love. This. Company. Yeaaaaaah" http://ping.fm/w6oaO | Sep 07 16:40 | |
schestowitz | Pfizer drug breach ends in biggest US crime fine < http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2009/sep/02/pfizer-drugs-us-criminal-fine > | Sep 07 16:40 |
Will | Is that middle laptop a mac that they photoshopped the logo off of? | Sep 07 16:41 |
twitter1 | people think so. | Sep 07 16:41 |
twitter1 | I thought so. | Sep 07 16:41 |
schestowitz | CIA doctors face human experimentation claims < http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/sep/02/cia-usa > | Sep 07 16:41 |
twitter1 | this is SPARTA http://bayimg.com/tag/sparta/ | Sep 07 16:41 |
twitter1 | especially this one http://bayimg.com/EagIjaabN | Sep 07 16:42 |
schestowitz | CEPR Release: State Dept Steps Against Honduran Coup Don't Go Far Enough < http://www.chavezcode.com/2009/09/cepr-release-state-dept-steps-against.html > | Sep 07 16:42 |
Will | gotta go for now | Sep 07 16:43 |
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Not everyone welcomes the idea of taxpayers paying bonuses to bankers. < http://ping.fm/RzJe9 > | Sep 07 16:44 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Richard Stallman explains the crisis caused by lack of water in an age of global warning. http://ping.fm/TzD3B Death toll is high | Sep 07 16:47 | |
twitter1 | I'd think only bankers would approve -> Not everyone welcomes the idea of taxpayers paying bonuses to bankers. | Sep 07 16:48 |
twitter1 | You could give me a $40 million bailout bonus if you wanted. | Sep 07 16:49 |
twitter1 | It would be very good for my economy. | Sep 07 16:49 |
schestowitz | PROFILE OF: Hadron – Appearing on C.O.L.A < http://openbytes.wordpress.com/2009/09/06/profile-of-hadron-appearing-on-c-o-l-a/ > | Sep 07 16:49 |
twitter1 | I've seen someone by that name. They probably misspelled "hardon" | Sep 07 16:50 |
schestowitz | It has many names | Sep 07 16:53 |
schestowitz | This shill used like a dozen names | Sep 07 16:53 |
schestowitz | Linus Is A Fake! < http://www.linuxjournal.com/content/linus-fake > | Sep 07 16:54 |
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twitter1 | Not found in the troll zoo. http://slashdot.org/~twitter/journal/204737 | Sep 07 16:59 |
twitter1 | You have to be careful with names like that. Trolls often seek to smear good names in other forums. | Sep 07 16:59 |
schestowitz | Gallium3D Support For Haiku Operating System < http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=NzUxMg > | Sep 07 17:09 |
schestowitz | Application Bundles for Linux < http://www.appbundles.org/ > | Sep 07 17:10 |
twitter1 | surprise, surprise, "parental control" software is spyware http://yro.slashdot.org/story/09/09/07/1315210/Parental-Control-Software-Datamines-Kids-Online-Conversations | Sep 07 17:10 |
twitter1 | pretty obviously a toy http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/9/2009/09/500x_TotiloRifle.jpg | Sep 07 17:18 |
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twitter1 | but .... http://kotaku.com/5351721/police-swarm-to-bungie-on-weapons-call-during-kotaku-visit | Sep 07 17:19 |
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twitter1 | the slog on google continues. http://tech.slashdot.org/story/09/09/07/1218227/Google-Apps-Not-the-DC-Success-Many-Believe | Sep 07 17:20 |
twitter1 | Oh no! Google did not replace M$ in five minutes! | Sep 07 17:20 |
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] /me is going to pure kde | Sep 07 17:25 | |
twitter1 | hmmm. what is "pure kde"? | Sep 07 17:31 |
twitter1 | Lenny is making it easier to get there. For the first time since .... Sarge? ... they have an all in one kde-desktop install package. | Sep 07 17:33 |
twitter1 | The move from a choice of desktops to "install a desktop [gnome]" was a regression in the Debian install. | Sep 07 17:34 |
schestowitz | twitter: he runs kde alongside ubuntu | Sep 07 17:40 |
schestowitz | I do this at work and on my secondary workstation here | Sep 07 17:40 |
schestowitz | It's more loosely integrated | Sep 07 17:40 |
schestowitz | I guess that trmanco might move from 9.04 to 9.10 with native kde | Sep 07 17:40 |
trmanco | nop | Sep 07 17:40 |
twitter1 | ah | Sep 07 17:40 |
trmanco | I'll stick with jaunty | Sep 07 17:40 |
twitter1 | ha | Sep 07 17:40 |
schestowitz | Canonical makes the kde experience more tightly integrated than vanilla kde | Sep 07 17:40 |
schestowitz | trmanco: 4.2 | Sep 07 17:41 |
trmanco | I just don't want gnome stuff here | Sep 07 17:41 |
trmanco | I'm using 4.3.1 | Sep 07 17:41 |
trmanco | I've added the ppa | Sep 07 17:41 |
schestowitz | You could upgrade manually to it | Sep 07 17:41 |
schestowitz | Assuming it's well tested | Sep 07 17:41 |
twitter1 | I'm having trouble tracking down gnome and kde use stats on debian. | Sep 07 17:41 |
twitter1 | I can see that lots of people use gnome because lots of people use gnome-terminal http://qa.debian.org/popcon.php?package=gnome-terminal | Sep 07 17:42 |
schestowitz | We have a mirror of the Best Buy post: http://quaoar.ww7.be/ms_fud_of_the_year/569458-microsoft-attack-linux-retail-level-probably.html | Sep 07 17:42 |
twitter1 | but I can't find any kde package to compare, such as konsole or kwin | Sep 07 17:42 |
twitter1 | Yeah, Will dug that up, I think. | Sep 07 17:42 |
schestowitz | http://identi.ca/notice/9495143 !linux <http://identi.ca/group/56/id> !gnu <http://identi.ca/group/33/id> !fsf | Sep 07 17:42 |
schestowitz | <http://identi.ca/group/214/id> ♲ weex: Let's encourage people to !trygnulinux | Sep 07 17:42 |
schestowitz | <http://identi.ca/group/427/id> at Best Buy for Software Freedom Day (9/19/09). | Sep 07 17:42 |
schestowitz | http://trygnulinux.com/sfd09 | Sep 07 17:42 |
schestowitz | "Anybody in the !Boston area want to help the local !Ubuntu !GNU/ !Linux group promote FOSS? http://lilurl.org/mku41k !UbuntuMA !FSF" !linux <http://identi.ca/group/56/id> !gnu <http://identi.ca/group/33/id> !fsf | Sep 07 17:43 |
schestowitz | <http://identi.ca/group/214/id> ♲ weex: Let's encourage people to !trygnulinux | Sep 07 17:43 |
schestowitz | <http://identi.ca/group/427/id> at Best Buy for Software Freedom Day (9/19/09). | Sep 07 17:43 |
schestowitz | http://trygnulinux.com/sfd09 | Sep 07 17:43 |
schestowitz | http://www.stephenfry.com/2009/08/28/damn-damn-damn-damn-damn/ | Sep 07 17:45 |
schestowitz | developers-developers-developers-developers | Sep 07 17:46 |
DaemonFC | schestowitz, How long do you figure it'll take the store manager to call the police? | Sep 07 17:46 |
schestowitz | Depends on how small the bribe was | Sep 07 17:46 |
schestowitz | http://boycottnovell.com/2009/06/03/sub-notebooks-linux-taskforces/ | Sep 07 17:47 |
DaemonFC | schestowitz, Somone should make full page flyers, preferably black and white so kinkos will print them out cheaper | Sep 07 17:47 |
schestowitz | http://boycottnovell.com/2009/01/22/microsoft-taskforce-vs-walmart-linux/ | Sep 07 17:47 |
DaemonFC | take like a stack of 500 or so to Best Buy and pass them out | Sep 07 17:47 |
schestowitz | What with? | Sep 07 17:47 |
schestowitz | Exposing Microsoft crimes? | Sep 07 17:47 |
DaemonFC | how about a Get The Facts campaign of our side? | Sep 07 17:48 |
DaemonFC | such as "If you've visited Best Buy lately, they may have misrepresented non-Microsoft software such as Linux, here's the real deal:" | Sep 07 17:48 |
DaemonFC | then it corrects every point of their sales pitch for Windows with a counter argument | Sep 07 17:49 |
twitter1 | It would be better to simply hand out CDs and encourage people to try GNU/Linux. | Sep 07 17:50 |
twitter1 | If you do it right, you might be allowed to do this. | Sep 07 17:51 |
DaemonFC | heh, well, this would be easier if Ubuntu was still passing out hundreds of CDs with no questions asked | Sep 07 17:51 |
DaemonFC | they've clamped up on that considerably lately | Sep 07 17:51 |
DaemonFC | how much are Ubuntu CDs in bulk? | Sep 07 17:51 |
twitter1 | Talk to management first. Tell them you would like to set up a table and help people burn live CDs to try on computers they would like to buy. | Sep 07 17:51 |
DaemonFC | I'm sure they wouldn't go for that | Sep 07 17:52 |
twitter1 | A spool of 100 CDs costs $30 or so, and it's easy enough to bring a CD burner. | Sep 07 17:52 |
DaemonFC | Management usually is in on this more than the employees | Sep 07 17:53 |
schestowitz | DaemonFC: you should do a blog post about it | Sep 07 17:53 |
DaemonFC | they probably got their own training materials telling them to watch for this | Sep 07 17:53 |
schestowitz | I'd feed you citations if you need some | Sep 07 17:53 |
twitter1 | If they don't go for that, they surely would not go for people with fliers and protests. | Sep 07 17:53 |
DaemonFC | well, if there's a public sidewalk close to the store, they can't stop you from standing there | Sep 07 17:54 |
schestowitz | I like how it blows up in Microsoft's face | Sep 07 17:54 |
schestowitz | Unrest even among sales people | Sep 07 17:54 |
twitter1 | If they don't go for the friendly promotion in advance, you can always show up in their parking lot with protests on the 19th. | Sep 07 17:54 |
twitter1 | I don't think they can run you off the street. | Sep 07 17:55 |
twitter1 | depends on how civil rights friendly the local police are | Sep 07 17:55 |
DaemonFC | they can't run you off of public property | Sep 07 17:55 |
DaemonFC | but they can charge you with trespassing if they ask you to leave their property and you don't | Sep 07 17:56 |
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DaemonFC | so if they ask you to leave, don't refuse | Sep 07 17:56 |
twitter1 | you see how things become more embarrassing for them as you retreat | Sep 07 17:56 |
_Hicham_ | Mr DaemonFC | Sep 07 17:56 |
_Hicham_ | nobody is leaving in here | Sep 07 17:56 |
DaemonFC | http://shop.canonical.com/product_info.php?products_id=496 | Sep 07 17:56 |
DaemonFC | "All orders for packs of 100 and 200 CDs will be shipped for free." | Sep 07 17:56 |
DaemonFC | take 200 Ubuntu CDs with you to Best Buy and pass them out | Sep 07 17:57 |
DaemonFC | lol | Sep 07 17:57 |
twitter1 | As in anything else, expect the best but plan for the worst. | Sep 07 17:57 |
schestowitz | Review: Supreme Super Gamer LiveDVD http://www.raiden.net/articles/review_supreme_super_gamer_livedvd | Sep 07 17:57 |
_Hicham_ | DaemonFC is a big contributor to FOSS | Sep 07 17:57 |
schestowitz | Giev em thaT ^^ | Sep 07 17:57 |
twitter1 | nice | Sep 07 17:57 |
schestowitz | Better to give out kubuntu or mandriva | Sep 07 17:58 |
schestowitz | kde4 will knock their socks off !! :-p | Sep 07 17:58 |
schestowitz | twitter: kio slave functionality is not missing | Sep 07 17:58 |
schestowitz | I made konqueror my main file manager | Sep 07 17:59 |
_Hicham_ | Konqueror is great | Sep 07 17:59 |
_Hicham_ | I do it with ubuntu | Sep 07 18:00 |
DaemonFC | Ubuntu generally focuses more on GNOME | Sep 07 18:00 |
_Hicham_ | sure u do babe, sure u do | Sep 07 18:00 |
DaemonFC | Kubuntu can be thrown under the bus if it messes with their Ubuntu plans | Sep 07 18:00 |
schestowitz | Consumer Groups Outline Privacy Law Wish List http://www.internetnews.com/ec-news/article.php/3837306/Consumer+Groups+Outline+Privacy+Law+Wish+List.htm | Sep 07 18:00 |
_Hicham_ | Kubuntu do not have the same amount of patches Ubuntu has | Sep 07 18:01 |
schestowitz | There is no "plan" | Sep 07 18:02 |
schestowitz | The plan is to make contracts | Sep 07 18:02 |
schestowitz | Not to spread gnome or mono | Sep 07 18:02 |
schestowitz | Ubuntu/Canonical wants to make money from Server Editions | Sep 07 18:02 |
_Hicham_ | spreading mono is a priority | Sep 07 18:02 |
schestowitz | To Novell | Sep 07 18:03 |
schestowitz | Ubuntu just drinks from the same well | Sep 07 18:03 |
_Hicham_ | launchpad client will be written in C# | Sep 07 18:03 |
schestowitz | amarok 2.1 is great | Sep 07 18:03 |
schestowitz | It chokes on same weird file names | Sep 07 18:03 |
schestowitz | Like Ukrainian and stuff | Sep 07 18:03 |
_Hicham_ | KDE has a great set of apps | Sep 07 18:04 |
_Hicham_ | I used to use Kopete under GNOME for video chat on msn and yahoo | Sep 07 18:04 |
twitter1 | apt:/ works for you? -> schestowitz: twitter: kio slave functionality is not missing | Sep 07 18:04 |
twitter1 | media:/ ? | Sep 07 18:05 |
_Hicham_ | and twitter1:/ ? | Sep 07 18:05 |
_Hicham_ | DaemonFC : did u test Firefox 3.6 alpha ? | Sep 07 18:05 |
twitter1 | I'm sure a Twitter kio is in the works. | Sep 07 18:05 |
twitter1 | ;-) | Sep 07 18:06 |
DaemonFC | _Hicham_, I have 3.5.2 | Sep 07 18:06 |
schestowitz | Why media:/ ? | Sep 07 18:06 |
schestowitz | It's all more elegant now | Sep 07 18:06 |
schestowitz | I used to have trash:/ | Sep 07 18:06 |
schestowitz | Lots of invisible services | Sep 07 18:06 |
schestowitz | Like Easter eggs almost | Sep 07 18:06 |
_Hicham_ | use this trash to put Mono in it | Sep 07 18:06 |
schestowitz | Not in KDE | Sep 07 18:07 |
schestowitz | That's the gnome fodder | Sep 07 18:07 |
schestowitz | Almost nothing in Qt uses mono bindings | Sep 07 18:07 |
schestowitz | KDE has nothing native of substance that uses the monkey | Sep 07 18:07 |
_Hicham_ | in gnome it is : trash:/// | Sep 07 18:07 |
_Hicham_ | computer:/// | Sep 07 18:07 |
schestowitz | :/ | Sep 07 18:08 |
schestowitz | :-) | Sep 07 18:08 |
_Hicham_ | three slashes | Sep 07 18:08 |
schestowitz | Double chin? | Sep 07 18:08 |
_Hicham_ | DaemonFC : still on Mint ? | Sep 07 18:08 |
twitter1 | so that users can mount unused hard drives. This is nice in normal systems and very nice in live CDs. schestowitz: Why media:/ | Sep 07 18:08 |
schestowitz | http://www.junauza.com/2009/09/quick-and-subtle-introduction-to-emacs.html | Sep 07 18:09 |
twitter1 | like the problem you had yesterday with mounting. | Sep 07 18:09 |
twitter1 | what is the substitute? | Sep 07 18:09 |
schestowitz | There is a drives manager now | Sep 07 18:09 |
schestowitz | For last plugged devices | Sep 07 18:09 |
_Hicham_ | palimpsest ? | Sep 07 18:09 |
schestowitz | It all changed | Sep 07 18:09 |
schestowitz | From kde3 | Sep 07 18:09 |
schestowitz | It's more elegant now | Sep 07 18:10 |
twitter1 | I liked it when all of the plugged devices showed up in the same place as ide and sata | Sep 07 18:10 |
twitter1 | ... you know, all of your media in one box. | Sep 07 18:11 |
twitter1 | where is the drives manager? | Sep 07 18:11 |
twitter1 | can you get there in konq? | Sep 07 18:11 |
schestowitz | Yes | Sep 07 18:11 |
schestowitz | But Dolphin lays them out well | Sep 07 18:12 |
schestowitz | Simpler for n00bs | Sep 07 18:12 |
twitter1 | so, what's the url in konq? | Sep 07 18:12 |
schestowitz | Shedding off the myth that kde ain't for cavemen | Sep 07 18:12 |
schestowitz | /media/whatever | Sep 07 18:13 |
_Hicham_ | media folder is used by all | Sep 07 18:13 |
_Hicham_ | after the mnt folder | Sep 07 18:13 |
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_Hicham_ | mnt folder still exists by default for historical reasons | Sep 07 18:14 |
twitter1 | hmmm, a 24 hour circle. | Sep 07 18:14 |
twitter1 | I use the /mnt directory still | Sep 07 18:14 |
twitter1 | for manual mounting | Sep 07 18:14 |
_Hicham_ | twitter1 : really ? | Sep 07 18:14 |
twitter1 | fewer keystrokes | Sep 07 18:15 |
_Hicham_ | do u mount drives manually ? | Sep 07 18:15 |
twitter1 | occasionally | Sep 07 18:15 |
twitter1 | like once a year | Sep 07 18:15 |
_Hicham_ | mnt is used by livecds also | Sep 07 18:15 |
twitter1 | when all else fails on a system, I drop down to mount, cfdisk and fdisk to see what the problem is. | Sep 07 18:16 |
DaemonFC | schestowitz, I am writing a post about this btw | Sep 07 18:17 |
twitter1 | I suppose KDE is just rolling with kernel changes on media | Sep 07 18:17 |
_Hicham_ | DaemonFC knows how to write, what a surprise | Sep 07 18:17 |
schestowitz | http://www.linuxtoday.com/news_story.php3?ltsn=2009-09-04-028-35-OP-CY | Sep 07 18:17 |
schestowitz | He writes well | Sep 07 18:17 |
twitter1 | I never did use the other system stuff. | Sep 07 18:18 |
schestowitz | Potty mouth though | Sep 07 18:18 |
twitter1 | sad that Carla can't turn on a computer without feeling like she's at work. | Sep 07 18:21 |
twitter1 | how is she going to find the sites to see without one? | Sep 07 18:21 |
DaemonFC | "Low end retail is all about cashing in your dignity for minimum wage anyway, isn't it? Abusive customers trashing the store and cursing at you, evil pointy haired bosses that want you to work unpaid overtime, impossible quotas and policies that they overlook most of the time, but gives them a reason to fire any of you at any time, for cause or for made-up cause... I've been on the receiving and giving end of that, and in many | Sep 07 18:22 |
DaemonFC | ways, it's like a fraternity hazing process where the salaried management is the guy with the paddle and the hourly employees are the ones shouting "Thank you sir, may I have another?" In short, anyone who intends to go no further will have to put up with the shit every day for the rest of their life. You won't find better advertisement for a college education or management ambitions." | Sep 07 18:22 |
twitter1 | I suppose she can take a few pages from a "Let's Go" | Sep 07 18:22 |
DaemonFC | I'm discussing cashing in your integrity to keep a dead end job | Sep 07 18:22 |
DaemonFC | and how being expected to lie to customers is a part of that | Sep 07 18:22 |
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twitter1 | This is part of big box stores. | Sep 07 18:23 |
twitter1 | It is NOT a part of normal retail, where small stores build a reputation and trust. | Sep 07 18:23 |
twitter1 | The corruption you are talking about is why M$ loves big box stores. | Sep 07 18:24 |
twitter1 | They violate employee rights in order to defraud customers. | Sep 07 18:24 |
twitter1 | and big box stores compete unfairly to gain their position and eliminate smaller stores. | Sep 07 18:25 |
twitter1 | selective dumping and price cuts, all that predatory stuff they are accused of. | Sep 07 18:25 |
twitter1 | The bad reputation bit, eventually, catches up to big box stores too. Look at what happened to CompUSA, Circuit City and others. Even Target and Walmart have been burn to Peee Ceees. Vista fried everyone. | Sep 07 18:27 |
schestowitz | GMaps4JSF in the JSF 2.0 Ajax world < http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/java/library/wa-aj-gmaps/index.html > | Sep 07 18:27 |
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schestowitz | http://ardchoille42.blogspot.com/2009/09/about-capslock-key.html | Sep 07 18:29 |
DaemonFC | schestowitz, ASUS launched the better with Windows site right? That was how long ago? | Sep 07 18:30 |
schestowitz | > DaemonFC > and how being expected to lie to customers is a part of that | Sep 07 18:31 |
schestowitz | Been there before | Sep 07 18:31 |
twitter1 | -> You will need to accept the usage agreement and register the site that you are using for your application. In return, Google provides a key ... | Sep 07 18:31 |
schestowitz | Worked in a computer store while 18 | Sep 07 18:31 |
schestowitz | The 'good' salesmen are the LIARS | Sep 07 18:31 |
schestowitz | IOW, bad is good | Sep 07 18:31 |
schestowitz | Nasty is rewarded | Sep 07 18:31 |
twitter1 | bad store | Sep 07 18:31 |
twitter1 | I've worked in better | Sep 07 18:31 |
schestowitz | Screw customer= more profit | Sep 07 18:31 |
twitter1 | sounds like a big box | Sep 07 18:32 |
twitter1 | honest business is always better | Sep 07 18:32 |
schestowitz | Depends on how much PR they employ | Sep 07 18:33 |
schestowitz | Like the thugs in Wal-Mart | Sep 07 18:33 |
schestowitz | Defraud the public, then hire "perception management" | Sep 07 18:33 |
schestowitz | Using propaganda agents like Edelman | Sep 07 18:33 |
schestowitz | The leeches of society | Sep 07 18:33 |
twitter1 | a small business can leverage Walmart. | Sep 07 18:33 |
schestowitz | It's Raining OLPC Total Costs of Ownership (1 of 4) http://www.olpcnews.com/sales_talk/price/its_raining_olpc_tcos_1_of_4.html | Sep 07 18:34 |
schestowitz | I hate the term "TCO" | Sep 07 18:34 |
twitter1 | If Walmart uncercuts your price and your customer is going there anyway, buy it there yourself. | Sep 07 18:34 |
schestowitz | It's Microsoft-speak | Sep 07 18:34 |
twitter1 | TCO favors GNU/Linux. | Sep 07 18:34 |
schestowitz | Make up anything to pretend that expensive=cheap | Sep 07 18:34 |
twitter1 | M$ has spent billions on it. Leverage it in your favor. | Sep 07 18:34 |
DaemonFC | "There's a certain demographic that will pay any price because they have lots of money to set on fire. These same people buy Hummer H2's. The rest spend about month's salary every year or two on Microsoft software and partner products under the mistaken impression that they simply have to. They don't want to, they're not evil people, they've simply been led astray by the sales associate, the lowly peonmaking $8 an hour at the | Sep 07 18:34 |
DaemonFC | Best Buy store, the unwitting foot soldier in Microsoft's propaganda battle. Exactly what's in it for the sales associate if people continue maxing out their credit cards on shit they don't need? They may be able to come back to work next Monday, or Wednesday, Friday, Saturday, Sunday, or whenever they're expected to show up for their 4-8 hours shift so they can continue making the $8 an hour." | Sep 07 18:34 |
schestowitz | Digital tipping points.... http://temporaryland.wordpress.com/2009/09/03/open-source-photo-processing-comes-of-age/ | Sep 07 18:35 |
DaemonFC | *peon making | Sep 07 18:35 |
schestowitz | US trade | Sep 07 18:35 |
twitter1 | M$ is so easy to combat. They run full force in a predictable way. All you have to do is see which way they are going and trip them to see them fall flat on their face. | Sep 07 18:36 |
twitter1 | The advantage they have is money and organization. They can devote teams of people to harass and intimidate every part of the retail chain, from OEM to free software advocate. | Sep 07 18:37 |
twitter1 | Their weakness is inflexibility. | Sep 07 18:38 |
schestowitz | Adobe and Oracle delay their patch days < http://www.heise.de/english/newsticker/news/144946 > | Sep 07 18:39 |
schestowitz | http://www.heise.de/english/newsticker/news/144948 | Sep 07 18:40 |
schestowitz | "Update for "Lenny", Debian 5.0.3 -- The third update of Debian 5.0 has been released by the Debian developers. The update provides a number of security updates and bug fixes and an updated installer. The announcement summarises the changes while the change log provides a detailed overview of all the changes." | Sep 07 18:40 |
twitter1 | TCO for OLPC has to be compared with the cost of providing equivalent service with paper. Considering that US Prep schools with all the money in the world are throwing away their paper libraries, I'd say this argument is now a slam dunk in OLPC's favor. | Sep 07 18:43 |
twitter1 | The bottom line is that buying a student one laptop is cheaper than buying the same student hundreds of text books. | Sep 07 18:45 |
twitter1 | Having a free laptop is better for education than crap like the Kindle. | Sep 07 18:46 |
DaemonFC | "It seems stupid when you look at it this way. You wouldn't buy a car at full sticker price if the horn, air bags, brakes, radio, and upholstery were sold as "add-ons". If a line of cars has a faulty gas tank that explodes, there will be a lawsuit. Yet this is how Microsoft and retail stores like Best Buy get you to part ways with more of your cash. If the $500 computer cost the full $2,000 up front, nobody would buy them. Bet | Sep 07 18:46 |
DaemonFC | ter to just suck the rest of your blood out later, as you go." | Sep 07 18:46 |
schestowitz | It's almost as though Phipps is planning his exist from Oracle... http://blogs.sun.com/webmink/entry/sun_s_bloggers_license | Sep 07 18:47 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] ☞ New Debian is ready to roll. http://ping.fm/5OxNS | Sep 07 18:50 | |
schestowitz | Thinking about downloads < http://confusedofcalcutta.com/2009/09/07/thinking-about-downloads/ > | Sep 07 18:50 |
twitter1 | Phipps exit or the demise of blogs.sun.com under Oracle | Sep 07 18:52 |
DaemonFC | "The tighter the market gets, and the less that Best Buy is able to compete with sites that sell hardware at just over wholesale, and systems that come without operating systems, the more of this kind of thing you'll see, the less and less bribes, threats, and coercion it actually takes from Microsoft to get them to play ball. Their entire remaining customer "base" are zombiesthat are there to be victimized repeatedly. Best Bu | Sep 07 18:52 |
DaemonFC | y has no future as a company, the very most they should expect is to not go bankrupt immediately." | Sep 07 18:52 |
twitter1 | expect the best, plan for the worst | Sep 07 18:52 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] New York Post: "AMERICANS should boycott the stock market." http://ping.fm/InuqH | Sep 07 18:53 | |
schestowitz | http://www.goldmansachs666.com/2009/09/mike-morgan-spends-few-minutes-on.html | Sep 07 18:53 |
twitter1 | It's kind of hard to boycott the stock market. | Sep 07 18:53 |
twitter1 | your bank and insurance company puts your money there | Sep 07 18:54 |
twitter1 | this is SATA http://bayimg.com/aApmHAAbp | Sep 07 18:55 |
DaemonFC | Five to ten years from now, I don't even think Best Buy will even be around, but Microsoft can use them in the remaining time they have left to help sell people on Windows. Consumer electronics stores have painted themselves into a corner where they need Microsoft far more than Microsoft needs them. | Sep 07 18:55 |
twitter1 | It looks like SATA has finally become speed competitive with SCSI. Is this true? | Sep 07 18:55 |
DaemonFC | The phoney baloney "education" that customers receive at Best Buy will, Microsoft is hoping, carry on when Best Buy is gone and the customer is buying their next Windows system at Walmart. | Sep 07 18:56 |
twitter1 | We'll see DaemonFC. The Vista Failure blew up a lot of big box retailers. Is Best Buy really stupid or bribed enough to follow them? | Sep 07 18:57 |
DaemonFC | they have no choice | Sep 07 18:57 |
DaemonFC | it's like they're on a horse that's gone crazy and the only thing they can do is hold on tighter | Sep 07 18:57 |
schestowitz | New: OpenOffice.org 2.4.3 available http://blogs.sun.com/GullFOSS/entry/new_openoffice_org_2_413 | Sep 07 18:58 |
twitter1 | Scientology's efforts against network freedom http://yro.slashdot.org/story/09/09/07/0520225/Church-of-Scientology-Proposes-Net-Censorship-In-Australia | Sep 07 18:58 |
twitter1 | Best Buy has all sorts of choice. They are one of the few surviving retailers, that makes them very powerful but not powerful enough to foist Windows 7 on the world. | Sep 07 18:59 |
twitter1 | If they ignore gnu/linux, retailers are going to be stuck with a bunch of unsold computers. | Sep 07 19:00 |
twitter1 | They can't even move their $300 netbooks. You know their desktop systems are failing. | Sep 07 19:00 |
twitter1 | by contrast, retailers cant keep EEE PCs in stock, especially when they have gnu/linux on them and sell for $50 less than the Winblows model. | Sep 07 19:01 |
twitter1 | In the "race to the bottom" boo hoo for fat margins | Sep 07 19:01 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[nickballard] Microsoft 'indoctrinates' Best Buy workers with anti-Linux 'lies' http://tinyurl.com/n2dpqe | Sep 07 19:03 | |
twitter1 | the first OEM that really jumps on the free software bandwagon and promotes home systems that do everything that M$ promises is going to clean up. | Sep 07 19:03 |
twitter1 | Asus cleaned up with the 701 EEE PC. They could have leveraged that to sell desktops as "home servers" and mythTV boxes. | Sep 07 19:04 |
twitter1 | It's going to happen sooner or later. M$ is just going to waste a few select suckers time and money with Windows 7. | Sep 07 19:05 |
twitter1 | Give Windows 7 six months of market place failure and it will be all over. | Sep 07 19:05 |
schestowitz | Swine flu could hospitalize 2 million in U.S. this winter < http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-sci-swine-flu25-2009aug25,0,1109674.story > Oink oink | Sep 07 19:06 |
trmanco | back | Sep 07 19:06 |
trmanco | 207 MB at startup | Sep 07 19:06 |
trmanco | down about 30MB | Sep 07 19:06 |
DaemonFC | These crooks and con artists running the company do such a good job suckering their customers that even when you offer to help someone for free, on your own time, they'll instead buy more software from Microsoft and take it to Best Buy to get the "Geek Squad" to patch it up again. It's not just like an emergency room doctor patching up a crack addict who had another heart attack, in this analogy, it's the doctor patching the g | Sep 07 19:06 |
DaemonFC | uy up after the doctor sold him the crack then billing him for both services. | Sep 07 19:06 |
schestowitz | trmanco: yes, it's weird | Sep 07 19:07 |
twitter1 | By May of next year. M$ is going to be screwed. | Sep 07 19:07 |
trmanco | schestowitz: no it isn't | Sep 07 19:07 |
trmanco | I removed all the unnecessary junk | Sep 07 19:07 |
schestowitz | Yes, but it's lighter than Mandriva with kde3 | Sep 07 19:07 |
schestowitz | Mandriva is well loaded | Sep 07 19:07 |
schestowitz | MySQL at Facebook https://launchpad.net/mysqlatfacebook | Sep 07 19:08 |
twitter1 | M$ is already screwed and people in the business know it. 2009 was productive and GNU/Linux made great desktop strides as traditional media failed. 2010 will be even better. | Sep 07 19:09 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] KDE purified | Sep 07 19:10 | |
trmanco | bbl | Sep 07 19:10 |
schestowitz | Purified? | Sep 07 19:12 |
schestowitz | Puree-fied | Sep 07 19:13 |
schestowitz | Purée-fied | Sep 07 19:13 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] RT @nickballard Microsoft 'indoctrinates' Best Buy workers with anti-Linux 'lies' http://tinyurl.com/n2dpqe | Sep 07 19:17 | |
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ozma | well, it's done. running kubuntu now | Sep 07 19:20 |
ozma | :) | Sep 07 19:20 |
ozma | wait...my wallclimber name is now ozma (hey, i'm originally from kansas) | Sep 07 19:21 |
ozma | must change...back in a bit...feeling kind of lost here...lol, am i on boycottnovell IRC? | Sep 07 19:21 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] @schestowitz if they try this in the UK we can nail their testicles to the wall. | Sep 07 19:22 | |
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] RT @bengoldacre gmail has locked me out of my account for 24 hours? i will never rely on them again. http://bit.ly/3d5hde | Sep 07 19:25 | |
wallclimber | i think i'm myself again...feeling like alice in wonderland here. kde is very pretty, and the install went well, just a couple of small problems, easily fixed | Sep 07 19:27 |
wallclimber | i miss my old firefox tho | Sep 07 19:27 |
wallclimber | is anyone out there? | Sep 07 19:28 |
wallclimber | testing my sound, listening to jj cale's "after midnight" | Sep 07 19:28 |
twitter1 | everyone is here | Sep 07 19:30 |
wallclimber | hi twitter, glad to see someone here...not that i'm not used to talking to myself, but i hate to do it in public :) | Sep 07 19:31 |
ThistleWeb | hey wallclimber | Sep 07 19:32 |
trmanco | I'm back too | Sep 07 19:32 |
wallclimber | just got kubuntu set up and am testing things out. wondering why "Quassel" isn't named Kwassel | Sep 07 19:32 |
wallclimber | hi ThistleWeb - i'm having some kde fun | Sep 07 19:32 |
ThistleWeb | so I see | Sep 07 19:32 |
trmanco | I don't like quassel | Sep 07 19:33 |
schestowitz | "I suppose it’s none of my business. But if the tide of public opinion is turned, and Ubuntu users are shifting from passive to aggressive, then I would like to step out of the revolution now." http://kmandla.wordpress.com/2009/09/06/if-this-is-the-revolution-im-out/ | Sep 07 19:33 |
trmanco | konversation is better | Sep 07 19:33 |
wallclimber | i have to say that this install has been WAY different (much nicer) than my last experience | Sep 07 19:33 |
ThistleWeb | changing a DE or WM takes some time to get your head around | Sep 07 19:33 |
schestowitz | Hey, wallclimber | Sep 07 19:33 |
wallclimber | Hi! | Sep 07 19:33 |
wallclimber | no worries, i lost my head years ago | Sep 07 19:34 |
schestowitz | The kde/kubuntu installer was nice | Sep 07 19:34 |
wallclimber | if you see it wandering around, please send it home | Sep 07 19:34 |
schestowitz | qt4 | Sep 07 19:34 |
ThistleWeb | try the bedside cabinet, usually when I lose something, that's where it turns up lol | Sep 07 19:34 |
schestowitz | OpenSUSE did something similar over a year ago | Sep 07 19:34 |
wallclimber | i don't like quassel either, will try konversation...also need firefox with all my settings and bookmarks | Sep 07 19:35 |
ThistleWeb | speaking of the ubuntu installer, I saw screenshots of the proposed new installer, with slides like windows, pointing out features as it installs | Sep 07 19:35 |
twitter1 | Passive to aggressive? hmph, have to read that. | Sep 07 19:35 |
ThistleWeb | which is a fantastic idea | Sep 07 19:35 |
wallclimber | most things that get lost around here end up in the couch cushions | Sep 07 19:35 |
wallclimber | i like klipper though! | Sep 07 19:36 |
ThistleWeb | http://en.andregondim.eti.br/?p=117 | Sep 07 19:37 |
schestowitz | Layer Sets/Groups in GIMP 2.8! Preview Update! < http://www.gimpusers.com/news/2009-09-06/layer-groups-gimp-2-8-preview-update.html > | Sep 07 19:37 |
wallclimber | for some reason, since the jaunty upgrade copy/paste in ubuntu was quirky (I'm being kind here) | Sep 07 19:37 |
schestowitz | GIMP 2.6 changed the UI | Sep 07 19:37 |
schestowitz | It looks so wrong for longtime gimpers | Sep 07 19:37 |
ThistleWeb | apart from the choice of f-spot | Sep 07 19:37 |
schestowitz | wallclimber: CTRL+ALT+V | Sep 07 19:38 |
schestowitz | Make a stack of selection | Sep 07 19:38 |
schestowitz | Then pick the ones you need | Sep 07 19:38 |
schestowitz | ALso, change theme to Oxygen maybe. | Sep 07 19:38 |
wallclimber | i know, it's great! | Sep 07 19:38 |
schestowitz | I added like 10 buttons to top of windows | Sep 07 19:38 |
schestowitz | I should probably make a screenshot | Sep 07 19:38 |
schestowitz | My wallpapers are the latest joy | Sep 07 19:39 |
twitter1 | cut and paste from web pages remains problematic for various garbage publishers put in web pages. | Sep 07 19:39 |
schestowitz | The two screeens are two separate slideshows | Sep 07 19:39 |
twitter1 | I have to use klipper to see what garbage was put in. | Sep 07 19:39 |
schestowitz | Each showing a selection of over 100 high-quality photos | Sep 07 19:39 |
twitter1 | it has been a long time since I had to drop down to "view source code" to grab text | Sep 07 19:39 |
_Hicham_ | schestowitz : did u use krita ? | Sep 07 19:39 |
twitter1 | but the problem is still there | Sep 07 19:39 |
schestowitz | Briefly | Sep 07 19:39 |
wallclimber | krita is nice | Sep 07 19:39 |
_Hicham_ | it looks exactly like Photoshop | Sep 07 19:39 |
wallclimber | krita will be available for windows soon too (I think) | Sep 07 19:40 |
schestowitz | Windows will be available for krita | Sep 07 19:40 |
schestowitz | Krita has laid out the red carpet for the 'friends' from Redmond | Sep 07 19:41 |
schestowitz | :-p | Sep 07 19:41 |
wallclimber | okay, i'm going to go play for a while, just wanted to see how to use the IRC thingie :) | Sep 07 19:41 |
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schestowitz | trmanco: does konversation do everything that xchat can? In the sense that the level of 'advanced features' is on par? | Sep 07 19:42 |
wallclimber | also, how come open office is installed by default? why not koffice? | Sep 07 19:42 |
wallclimber | i wonder... | Sep 07 19:42 |
trmanco | schestowitz: afaik, yes | Sep 07 19:42 |
schestowitz | wallclimber: ? | Sep 07 19:42 |
wallclimber | yes... | Sep 07 19:42 |
schestowitz | OOo was not installed by default in 9.10 | Sep 07 19:42 |
schestowitz | WHich is good | Sep 07 19:42 |
schestowitz | For some people anyway | Sep 07 19:42 |
schestowitz | Repos make it trivial to add all my favourite old apps | Sep 07 19:43 |
schestowitz | Only they look far better now | Sep 07 19:43 |
wallclimber | open office is here | Sep 07 19:43 |
schestowitz | like kdf | Sep 07 19:43 |
schestowitz | kpgp | Sep 07 19:43 |
_Hicham_ | koffice is not as good as openoffice | Sep 07 19:43 |
schestowitz | kcalc | Sep 07 19:43 |
wallclimber | i'm using the alpha 5 | Sep 07 19:43 |
schestowitz | calc is now also a widget | Sep 07 19:43 |
schestowitz | wallclimber: alt+f2 | Sep 07 19:43 |
_Hicham_ | it doesn't support MS Office 2007 formats | Sep 07 19:43 |
schestowitz | wallclimber: did you get the gpu going? | Sep 07 19:43 |
ThistleWeb | konversation cant do transparency (when I last tried it anyway) where xchat can. Some dont want that though. As far as I know they're both pretty much equal to the other | Sep 07 19:43 |
schestowitz | For desktop effects and wobbly windows? | Sep 07 19:43 |
PetoKraus | <_Hicham_> it doesn't support MS Office 2007 formats | Sep 07 19:44 |
PetoKraus | RRRRRRRRRRRAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGGGGGGGGGGGGEEEEEE | Sep 07 19:44 |
*trmanco is so dumb | Sep 07 19:44 | |
schestowitz | _Hicham_: nothing supports these | Sep 07 19:44 |
schestowitz | Just... well, same version of MS OFfice | Sep 07 19:44 |
_Hicham_ | Go-OO does | Sep 07 19:44 |
schestowitz | intraop | Sep 07 19:44 |
twitter1 | not even Office 2007 | Sep 07 19:44 |
schestowitz | _Hicham_: nope. Incomplete | Sep 07 19:44 |
*trmanco tries to play music that are located on unmounted drives, then asks him self why amarok does not have any sound :| | Sep 07 19:44 | |
schestowitz | Not even Office 2008 for Macs | Sep 07 19:45 |
schestowitz | It's not compatible with Office 2007 | Sep 07 19:45 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[popey] Dear Abbey. You suck. I know my date of birth and so do you. Your phone system does not. Fix it. | Sep 07 19:45 | |
_Hicham_ | better than nothing | Sep 07 19:45 |
schestowitz | Yet Mac enthusiasts pay for this junk | Sep 07 19:45 |
DaemonFC | http://izanbardprince.wordpress.com/2009/09/07/best-buy-gives-in-to-microsoft-anti-linux-fud-has-seen-its-last-dollar-from-me-already-though/ | Sep 07 19:45 |
twitter1 | plain text is better still -> _Hicham_: better than nothing | Sep 07 19:46 |
twitter1 | at least you can share text. | Sep 07 19:46 |
_Hicham_ | why Microsoft does Software for Mac and not for Linux ? | Sep 07 19:46 |
_Hicham_ | because Linux people are not willing to pay ? | Sep 07 19:47 |
schestowitz | New Ubuntu Screens Installer http://en.andregondim.eti.br/?p=117 | Sep 07 19:47 |
schestowitz | Amarok's integration with wikipedia is fantastic | Sep 07 19:47 |
schestowitz | Does iTunes or anything else do this? | Sep 07 19:48 |
ThistleWeb | schestowitz: the changes to the installer is a great idea | Sep 07 19:48 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[nickballard] 60 Thousand Russian Teachers Will Learn Linux by the End of 2009 http://bit.ly/D62bH | Sep 07 19:48 | |
schestowitz | I listen to my collections with full articles about the bands before me, by default | Sep 07 19:48 |
schestowitz | DaemonFC: thanks | Sep 07 19:48 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] @schestowitz so who at goldman sachs pissed murdoch off? | Sep 07 19:51 | |
wallclimber | ok, office stuff is gone, need inkscape and scribus now...much to do. roy, haven't gotten to customizing the desktop yet, will do that next | Sep 07 19:51 |
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schestowitz | Is Spicebird The Best Desktop E-Mail Client? http://d0od.blogspot.com/2009/09/spicebird-best-desktop-e-mail-client.html | Sep 07 19:53 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @davidgerard: heh. Also see http://bit.ly/10N9Y3 | Sep 07 19:54 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] RT @openDemocracy [on oD] US forces criticised for charity hospital raid in Afghanistan, Carly Nyst : A Swedish human... http://bit.ly/t9fSh | Sep 07 19:55 | |
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schestowitz | Perhaps kubuntu is more brushed up than ubuntu is next release? Ubuntu 9.10 “Karmic Koala” Alpha 5 Reviewed < http://ubuntu-tutorials.com/2009/09/07/ubuntu-9-10-karmic-koala-alpha-5-reviewed/ > | Sep 07 19:58 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] /me is looking for a system wide equalizer !kde !linux !kubuntu | Sep 07 20:00 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @trmanco: let's see where this one goes: http://ping.fm/qmXpH | Sep 07 20:01 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @trmanco: I already use ThunderBrowse | Sep 07 20:05 | |
twitter1 | I'm a kmail fan. | Sep 07 20:05 |
twitter1 | I should try out kopete and konversation. | Sep 07 20:06 |
twitter1 | again | Sep 07 20:06 |
schestowitz | Is it just ma having this issue? http://www.google.com/search?hl=en-GB&q=knode+drag+and+drop+kde4&sourceid=navclient-ff&rlz=1B5GGGL_enGB315GB316&ie=UTF-8 | Sep 07 20:07 |
DaemonFC | schestowitz, Shuttleworth has hinted that KDE may be the default environment on Ubuntu as some point if GNOME lags too far behind them | Sep 07 20:07 |
schestowitz | They designed it such that messages in knode can't move | Sep 07 20:07 |
schestowitz | DaemonFC: I know. | Sep 07 20:07 |
schestowitz | Akregator is good too, I hear | Sep 07 20:07 |
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sebsebseb | hi | Sep 07 20:08 |
_Hicham_ | DaemonFC : when did shuttleworth say that ? | Sep 07 20:08 |
schestowitz | Hey, sebsebseb | Sep 07 20:08 |
DaemonFC | in an interview last year | Sep 07 20:08 |
sebsebseb | schestowitz: hi | Sep 07 20:08 |
schestowitz | b0rkB0orkB0rk | Sep 07 20:08 |
_Hicham_ | Monsieur sebsebseb | Sep 07 20:08 |
schestowitz | Tory MP to sue over sex smear email < http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/09/07/dorries_writs/ > | Sep 07 20:08 |
sebsebseb | _Hicham_: uhmm? | Sep 07 20:08 |
schestowitz | _Hicham_: I think the Austrian press | Sep 07 20:09 |
schestowitz | Or Golem maybe? | Sep 07 20:09 |
sebsebseb | _Hicham_: what language is that or whatever | Sep 07 20:09 |
schestowitz | He gave parise to kde | Sep 07 20:09 |
schestowitz | Shuttleworth uses kde | Sep 07 20:09 |
schestowitz | and gnome | Sep 07 20:09 |
_Hicham_ | sebsebseb : are u french ? | Sep 07 20:09 |
DaemonFC | I'm torn between the two. I'd say overall, I like GNOME better | Sep 07 20:09 |
schestowitz | So do many people, me included | Sep 07 20:09 |
sebsebseb | _Hicham_: no | Sep 07 20:09 |
schestowitz | gnome is very robust | Sep 07 20:09 |
DaemonFC | but KDE's built-in compositor is cool | Sep 07 20:09 |
sebsebseb | KDE hmm | Sep 07 20:09 |
*sebsebseb has never understood what the big deal is about KDE | Sep 07 20:10 | |
twitter1 | searches nicely, yes -> schestowitz: Akregator is good too, I hear | Sep 07 20:10 |
schestowitz | SHane used it | Sep 07 20:10 |
*sebsebseb and now days as a desktop GUI would rather use KDE 3 than KDE 4, but uses Gnome :) | Sep 07 20:10 | |
schestowitz | [bn shane] | Sep 07 20:10 |
_Hicham_ | are u sure that shuttleworth uses kde ? | Sep 07 20:10 |
*sebsebseb will use some KDE apps in Gnome, for example Konversation | Sep 07 20:11 | |
DaemonFC | probably enough to know about where it is in respect to GNOME | Sep 07 20:11 |
DaemonFC | it would be stupid to keep yourself in the dark in his position | Sep 07 20:11 |
_Hicham_ | KDE has a very large arsenal of apps | Sep 07 20:11 |
schestowitz | DaemonFC and trmanco use WP... so:Worm wiggles through weary WordPress < http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/09/07/wordpress_worm/ > | Sep 07 20:12 |
schestowitz | Old versions of it | Sep 07 20:12 |
sebsebseb | _Hicham_: sometimes a Gnome app is better than a KDE app, or a KDE app better than Gnome app it depends | Sep 07 20:12 |
_Hicham_ | however, some key Linux apps still provide better gnome integration | Sep 07 20:12 |
schestowitz | k3b is the only burning facility I've used on gnu/linux | Sep 07 20:12 |
schestowitz | I wonder about konversation | Sep 07 20:12 |
schestowitz | Let's give it a go... | Sep 07 20:12 |
sebsebseb | really apps shoudn't be made for a DE, they should just fit in with whatever DE or WM they are being used on right? | Sep 07 20:12 |
_Hicham_ | example, Firefox, OpenOffice, GIMP | Sep 07 20:12 |
sebsebseb | schestowitz: yeah Konversation is an IRC client | Sep 07 20:13 |
_Hicham_ | I use brasero for burning CDs | Sep 07 20:13 |
schestowitz | I'll never know unless I try | Sep 07 20:13 |
sebsebseb | schestowitz: used to be running the KDE 3 version in Ubuntu, but then I put on Karmic Alpha 4, so I got a KDE 4 version | Sep 07 20:13 |
sebsebseb | both pretty similar though | Sep 07 20:13 |
_Hicham_ | schestowitz is finally having time to explore news apps | Sep 07 20:13 |
sebsebseb | in some ways I still prefer the KDE 3 one, but this KDE 4 one will do the trick | Sep 07 20:13 |
_Hicham_ | KDE4 do have better graphics | Sep 07 20:14 |
sebsebseb | _Hicham_: depends | Sep 07 20:14 |
sebsebseb | ,but in general I guess so | Sep 07 20:14 |
sebsebseb | however KDE 4 as a GUI is way more bloated it seems, than KDE 3 | Sep 07 20:14 |
_Hicham_ | the plasmoids | Sep 07 20:14 |
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_Hicham_ | one of things that I don't understand in KDE is why everything is starting with K ? | Sep 07 20:15 |
sebsebseb | roy_: hello Roy on Konversation 1.2-alpha6 | Sep 07 20:15 |
_Hicham_ | does it have to start with a K ? | Sep 07 20:15 |
roy_ | Yes | Sep 07 20:16 |
roy_ | Else it get monoised :-p | Sep 07 20:16 |
DaemonFC | of Kourse it does | Sep 07 20:16 |
roy_ | Let's see what's here | Sep 07 20:16 |
_Hicham_ | senior roy_ | Sep 07 20:16 |
roy_ | I have the two clients on the two screens | Sep 07 20:16 |
roy_ | Seems like this one had all the features I need | Sep 07 20:16 |
_Hicham_ | let's explore | Sep 07 20:16 |
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*roy_ thinks of putting xchat in ~/binbucket | Sep 07 20:17 | |
sebsebseb | roy_: as in getting rid of it? | Sep 07 20:17 |
roy_ | *bitbucket even | Sep 07 20:17 |
roy_ | Well, it's qt | Sep 07 20:17 |
roy_ | Hi, I'm roy | Sep 07 20:17 |
schestowitz | Hello roy | Sep 07 20:17 |
roy_ | Are you a sockpuppet | Sep 07 20:17 |
schestowitz | None of your business | Sep 07 20:17 |
roy_ | Oh well.. | Sep 07 20:17 |
*sebsebseb calls Xchat noobchat sometimes, because it's the one the noobs tend to use as well | Sep 07 20:17 | |
schestowitz | Whatcha running | Sep 07 20:18 |
sebsebseb | and I prefer Konversation :) | Sep 07 20:18 |
roy_ | Konversation | Sep 07 20:18 |
schestowitz | It's rubbish | Sep 07 20:18 |
sebsebseb | of course certain IRSSI people for example might say Konversation is for noobs as well, but there we go | Sep 07 20:18 |
roy_ | Really? | Sep 07 20:18 |
roy_ | I'd bust you up | Sep 07 20:18 |
schestowitz | No you won't | Sep 07 20:18 |
schestowitz | Oops | Sep 07 20:18 |
schestowitz | I did it wrong with those puppets | Sep 07 20:18 |
schestowitz | Anyway | Sep 07 20:18 |
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roy_ | OK, let's see if everything's here | Sep 07 20:19 |
_Hicham_ | DaemonFC : how much time does it take u to compile firefox ? | Sep 07 20:19 |
twitter1 | who is this K.Mandla dude? | Sep 07 20:19 |
roy_ | There are more features in xchat | Sep 07 20:19 |
roy_ | In Konversation I get sweet oxygen | Sep 07 20:20 |
sebsebseb | roy_: I notice you seem to be on Ubuntu/Kubuntu doing Konversation? | Sep 07 20:20 |
DaemonFC | _Hicham_, It's been a while | Sep 07 20:20 |
sebsebseb | roy_: when I did the whois | Sep 07 20:20 |
DaemonFC | I've done it with GCC and with Microsoft Visual Studio | Sep 07 20:20 |
_Hicham_ | DaemonFC : and how much time did it take ? | Sep 07 20:20 |
twitter1 | there is nothing wrong with what this person did -> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1258215 | Sep 07 20:20 |
MinceR | if ubuntu makes kde its default de, finally gubuntu can become real ;) | Sep 07 20:20 |
sebsebseb | MinceR: KDE 4 as a default no thanks | Sep 07 20:20 |
sebsebseb | I like good defaults :) | Sep 07 20:21 |
sebsebseb | not having to customize to much to get something I like | Sep 07 20:21 |
sebsebseb | hence using Gnome | Sep 07 20:21 |
sebsebseb | KDE 4 it's like uh, I would have to customize this and that and this and that | Sep 07 20:21 |
DaemonFC | _Hicham_, It was on my old Athlon64 3200+ and it took about 15 hours I think using GCC | Sep 07 20:21 |
sebsebseb | Kubuntu KDE 3 isn't like that :) | Sep 07 20:21 |
ThistleWeb | "good defaults" is highly personal | Sep 07 20:21 |
MinceR | everything is like i'll have to customize everything | Sep 07 20:21 |
sebsebseb | ThistleWeb: indeed | Sep 07 20:21 |
_Hicham_ | 15 hours ? | Sep 07 20:21 |
DaemonFC | it was ridiculous | Sep 07 20:21 |
MinceR | that's one of the reasons i don't use windblows or osx | Sep 07 20:21 |
DaemonFC | compiling a Linux kernel only took like maybe 3 hours on that thing | Sep 07 20:21 |
_Hicham_ | that is too much | Sep 07 20:21 |
ThistleWeb | all it means is "the distro chose mostly what I happen to choose" | Sep 07 20:21 |
_Hicham_ | weird | Sep 07 20:22 |
_Hicham_ | compiling Firefox takes more time than compiling the kernel | Sep 07 20:22 |
sebsebseb | MinceR: well yeah by default in XP, you can't even use 3rd party themes | Sep 07 20:22 |
DaemonFC | If you're compiling for Windows, you should use MS Visual Studio if you already have a copy of it around, MinGW will get the job done though | Sep 07 20:22 |
sebsebseb | MinceR: and Vista seems to be like this as well | Sep 07 20:22 |
MinceR | and what about vista7? | Sep 07 20:23 |
sebsebseb | I think with 7 like 98 they are letting people do other themes | Sep 07 20:23 |
sebsebseb | by default | Sep 07 20:23 |
DaemonFC | nope, just colors | Sep 07 20:23 |
twitter1 | woot | Sep 07 20:23 |
DaemonFC | only one theme | Sep 07 20:23 |
twitter1 | ha ha | Sep 07 20:23 |
twitter1 | typical | Sep 07 20:23 |
MinceR | in 98, you only had the "classic" look that let you customize colors | Sep 07 20:23 |
MinceR | the colors of that remained customizable in xp | Sep 07 20:23 |
MinceR | dunno about vista | Sep 07 20:23 |
_Hicham_ | I am compiling Firefox 3.6 | Sep 07 20:23 |
twitter1 | customize with gnu/linux | Sep 07 20:23 |
DaemonFC | You have to crack the theming library to load your own themes on XP, Vista, or Windows 7 | Sep 07 20:23 |
ThistleWeb | both MS and Apple work hard at branding, they want their desktops to be recognisable at a glance | Sep 07 20:24 |
MinceR | in osx, you can customize... the color of highlighted text | Sep 07 20:24 |
_Hicham_ | uxthemepatcher | Sep 07 20:24 |
sebsebseb | _Hicham_: 3.5 you meant? | Sep 07 20:24 |
DaemonFC | they use different theming formats though | Sep 07 20:24 |
ThistleWeb | thats why they limit what the user can change | Sep 07 20:24 |
sebsebseb | _Hicham_: yep that's what I was talking about | Sep 07 20:24 |
sebsebseb | _Hicham_: you would have to use something like that, if you want non Microsoft themes, in XP | Sep 07 20:24 |
_Hicham_ | sebsebseb : I am compiling 3.6 alpha1, released on august | Sep 07 20:24 |
DaemonFC | so much for Paul Thurrot | Sep 07 20:24 |
ThistleWeb | in many cases you cant tell which distro a linux screenshot it unless you look for small giveaways | Sep 07 20:24 |
DaemonFC | "Windows XP will no longer use Explorer, in fact, it will be based on a HIGHLY CUSTOMIZABLE XML interface" | Sep 07 20:25 |
DaemonFC | emphasis mine | Sep 07 20:25 |
sebsebseb | _Hicham_: I thought about putting that on, but I guess it won't be that differnet from 3.5 | Sep 07 20:25 |
DaemonFC | _Hicham_, One of the major reasons to go with X86-64 distros is because there's not as much room to fudge on the optimizations of the binaries they provide | Sep 07 20:26 |
sebsebseb | roy_: So you like Konversation so far? | Sep 07 20:26 |
MinceR | i thought the major reason was to take advantage of the extra features of your CPU :> | Sep 07 20:26 |
DaemonFC | like, you can still target i386 with x86 distributions, and forgo optimizations for processors later than that | Sep 07 20:27 |
_Hicham_ | sebsebseb : I heard that there is a lot of performance improvements in 3.6 | Sep 07 20:27 |
DaemonFC | and GCC will default to i387 optimizations instead of SSE2 | Sep 07 20:27 |
MinceR | some distros target i686 or some other random step | Sep 07 20:27 |
DaemonFC | yeah, but Fedora 12 is JUST NOW doing te full i686 optimizations | Sep 07 20:27 |
_Hicham_ | DaemonFC : it is not about optimizations, I just want to make sure that xulrunner is linked against the system libraries | Sep 07 20:28 |
DaemonFC | if you use the 32-bit Fedora 9 or 10 you're really just effectively turning your Core 2 Duo into a really "fast" Pentium | Sep 07 20:28 |
_Hicham_ | Fedora's decision to go i686 is widely criticized | Sep 07 20:29 |
DaemonFC | optimizing for processors that haven't been made in 15 years that your distro can't even run on is just stupid | Sep 07 20:29 |
sebsebseb | ThistleWeb: indeed distros tend to look similar, because of Gnome, KDE, XFCE, etc | Sep 07 20:29 |
_Hicham_ | there is still a lot of legacy hardware | Sep 07 20:29 |
DaemonFC | If you're gonna complain about i686 optimizations, tell it walking | Sep 07 20:29 |
DaemonFC | buy something post-1996 | Sep 07 20:30 |
DaemonFC | :) | Sep 07 20:30 |
_Hicham_ | and I didn't feel any performance improvement | Sep 07 20:30 |
_Hicham_ | maybe because X is still in a miserable state | Sep 07 20:31 |
_Hicham_ | though it is beta | Sep 07 20:31 |
_Hicham_ | X -version | Sep 07 20:31 |
DaemonFC | I'd say a 1-2% performance improvement for several million people is worth more than pissing off 5 people who are still trying to make Fedora run on a 12 year old computer | Sep 07 20:32 |
DaemonFC | that's my opinion | Sep 07 20:32 |
_Hicham_ | This is a pre-release version of the X server from The X.Org Foundation. | Sep 07 20:32 |
_Hicham_ | It is not supported in any way. | Sep 07 20:32 |
_Hicham_ | Bugs may be filed in the bugzilla at http://bugs.freedesktop.org/. | Sep 07 20:32 |
_Hicham_ | Select the "xorg" product for bugs you find in this release. | Sep 07 20:32 |
_Hicham_ | Before reporting bugs in pre-release versions please check the | Sep 07 20:32 |
_Hicham_ | latest version in the X.Org Foundation git repository. | Sep 07 20:32 |
_Hicham_ | See http://wiki.x.org/wiki/GitPage for git access instructions. | Sep 07 20:32 |
_Hicham_ | X.Org X Server 1.6.99.1 | Sep 07 20:32 |
_Hicham_ | Release Date: (unreleased) | Sep 07 20:32 |
_Hicham_ | X Protocol Version 11, Revision 0 | Sep 07 20:32 |
_Hicham_ | Build Operating System: Linux 2.6.18-128.4.1.el5xen i686 | Sep 07 20:32 |
_Hicham_ | Current Operating System: Linux localhost.localdomain 2.6.31-0.204.rc9.fc12.i686 #1 SMP Sat Sep 5 21:01:10 EDT 2009 i686 | Sep 07 20:32 |
_Hicham_ | Kernel command line: ro root=UUID=b71c56a4-246a-4179-b288-ec02ec16cf7a rhgb quiet LANG=en_US.UTF-8 SYSFONT=latarcyrheb-sun16 KEYBOARDTYPE=pc KEYTABLE=fr rd_plytheme=charge | Sep 07 20:32 |
_Hicham_ | Build Date: 02 September 2009 11:20:29PM | Sep 07 20:32 |
_Hicham_ | Build ID: xorg-x11-server 1.6.99-45.20090903.fc12 | Sep 07 20:32 |
_Hicham_ | Current version of pixman: 0.16.0 | Sep 07 20:32 |
_Hicham_ | Before reporting problems, check http://wiki.x.org | Sep 07 20:32 |
sebsebseb | DaemonFC: yeah plus there are other distros that are more suitable for 12 year old computers | Sep 07 20:32 |
_Hicham_ | to make sure that you have the latest version. | Sep 07 20:32 |
schestowitz | sebsebseb: yes, I like it but it's not compatible with the logging scripts I have | Sep 07 20:32 |
sebsebseb | schestowitz: logging scripts? | Sep 07 20:33 |
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schestowitz | sebsebseb: yes, daily logs | Sep 07 20:33 |
schestowitz | konv uses a different format | Sep 07 20:33 |
sebsebseb | schestowitz: I though that's the bot that logs? logger_bot | Sep 07 20:33 |
schestowitz | Yes, as backup | Sep 07 20:34 |
DaemonFC | sebsebseb, Tell them to run DSL or Puppy Linux if they're still on a Pentium and trying to milk it for another few years | Sep 07 20:34 |
schestowitz | two computers need to do this | Sep 07 20:34 |
sebsebseb | DaemonFC: yep that's what I meant by distros that are more suitable | Sep 07 20:34 |
DaemonFC | those people remind me of when my dad kept his 1978 Plymouth til like 1992 | Sep 07 20:34 |
sebsebseb | schestowitz: the KDE 3 version is pretty nice as well :) | Sep 07 20:35 |
sebsebseb | schestowitz: in some ways I still prefer the KDE 3 version | Sep 07 20:35 |
schestowitz | I can see.. it has many features | Sep 07 20:35 |
sebsebseb | altough they are both pretty similar | Sep 07 20:35 |
schestowitz | Each has its strengths | Sep 07 20:35 |
sebsebseb | I use nautilus, but Dolphin seems nice, just like Konqueror does | Sep 07 20:35 |
schestowitz | If I can figure out the log thing, that would seal the deal | Sep 07 20:35 |
sebsebseb | in some ways I will prefer the KDE 3 version to the KDE 4 for those as well depends | Sep 07 20:36 |
sebsebseb | with both versions of those programs as well, being pretty similar | Sep 07 20:36 |
schestowitz | I have the odd option of running both clients | Sep 07 20:37 |
schestowitz | xchat and konv | Sep 07 20:37 |
sebsebseb | schestowitz: yep you can run more than on IRC client at once that's true | Sep 07 20:37 |
schestowitz | With xchat just for logging | Sep 07 20:38 |
schestowitz | xchat is light anyway | Sep 07 20:38 |
schestowitz | But I'd rather run one | Sep 07 20:38 |
schestowitz | WIthout hacking the code, there's no option for changing the format of logs in konv | Sep 07 20:38 |
schestowitz_on_k | [Monday 07 Sep 2009] [20:17:34] <roy_>Well, it's qt | Sep 07 20:38 |
schestowitz_on_k | That's konv format | Sep 07 20:38 |
sebsebseb | this KDE 4 verson of Konversation seems pretty good, but what I don't like is how it says for example 1,449 nicks with the comma instead of before without the comma, and I guess it's in the settings some where maybe to change that, but I don't know | Sep 07 20:39 |
sebsebseb | schestowitz_on_k: it logs in .txt I think | Sep 07 20:39 |
sebsebseb | and in one of the hidden folders | Sep 07 20:39 |
sebsebseb | schestowitz_on_k: big knicks number, not this channal, but another one I am in yes | Sep 07 20:40 |
schestowitz | Where else does it log? | Sep 07 20:41 |
schestowitz | ~/.kde/share/apps/konversation/logs | Sep 07 20:42 |
schestowitz | This is one | Sep 07 20:42 |
sebsebseb | yep that one | Sep 07 20:42 |
schestowitz | Where else? | Sep 07 20:42 |
sebsebseb | I don't know | Sep 07 20:42 |
sebsebseb | I think that's it for the logs | Sep 07 20:42 |
sebsebseb | as for the actsaul program user data files, I don't know where those go | Sep 07 20:43 |
sebsebseb | assuming there are some | Sep 07 20:43 |
schestowitz_on_k | /join #ubuntu | Sep 07 20:44 |
schestowitz_on_k | /join #kubuntu | Sep 07 20:44 |
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schestowitz_on_k | /join #boycottnovell | Sep 07 20:44 |
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sebsebseb | schestowitz_on_k: uh? | Sep 07 20:44 |
schestowitz_on_k | /join #wordpress | Sep 07 20:44 |
schestowitz_on_k | /join #fsf | Sep 07 20:44 |
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schestowitz | It messes up the commands in channels | Sep 07 20:44 |
schestowitz_on_k | /join #libervis | Sep 07 20:44 |
schestowitz_on_k | /join #linuxoutlaws | Sep 07 20:44 |
schestowitz | Let's try to network's channel | Sep 07 20:45 |
sebsebseb | schestowitz: /join #channal works for me | Sep 07 20:45 |
schestowitz | [20:45] [Error] /join: Unknown command. | Sep 07 20:45 |
schestowitz | Hehe | Sep 07 20:45 |
schestowitz | I'll leave it for now | Sep 07 20:46 |
schestowitz | No practical agin | Sep 07 20:46 |
schestowitz | *gain | Sep 07 20:46 |
sebsebseb | schestowitz: well that's odd | Sep 07 20:47 |
schestowitz | It is | Sep 07 20:47 |
schestowitz | Seems like a bug | Sep 07 20:47 |
sebsebseb | schestowitz: you just type in /join #channal and hit enter | Sep 07 20:47 |
sebsebseb | and it should work | Sep 07 20:47 |
schestowitz | It's a beta, isn't it? | Sep 07 20:47 |
schestowitz | It happens when I paste it | Sep 07 20:48 |
twitter1 | ah | Sep 07 20:48 |
sebsebseb | schestowitz: yeah it said alpha | Sep 07 20:49 |
twitter1 | is there a "paste as plain text" right click? | Sep 07 20:49 |
sebsebseb | schestowitz: ,but I haven't had problems | Sep 07 20:49 |
twitter1 | funny things have been going on to support unicode in the X clipboard | Sep 07 20:49 |
sebsebseb | schestowitz: the KDE 3 version is rather nice and mature and stable, since been around quite a while | Sep 07 20:49 |
twitter1 | bbl | Sep 07 20:49 |
*sebsebseb thinks it's so sad that KDE 3 is on the verge of dieing | Sep 07 20:49 | |
MinceR | it could be forked | Sep 07 20:50 |
MinceR | if necessary | Sep 07 20:50 |
MinceR | it's already pretty mature | Sep 07 20:50 |
DaemonFC | GNOME 2.27.92 packages are landing in Karmic today | Sep 07 20:50 |
twitter1 | quit trolling sebsebseb! | Sep 07 20:50 |
sebsebseb | twitter1: what? | Sep 07 20:50 |
twitter1 | hmph -> KDE 3 is on the verge of dieing | Sep 07 20:51 |
sebsebseb | yeah KDE 3 is good | Sep 07 20:51 |
sebsebseb | and so it's ashame that it is nearly dead | Sep 07 20:51 |
sebsebseb | since of that KDE 4 thing | Sep 07 20:51 |
sebsebseb | oh well I got Gnome :) and I can use the KDE apps that I like in it anyway | Sep 07 20:51 |
twitter1 | it's not dead, no free software ever dies | Sep 07 20:51 |
sebsebseb | twitter1: well hardly anyone developes it anymore, if anyone | Sep 07 20:52 |
twitter1 | says who? | Sep 07 20:52 |
twitter1 | Lenny still uses it, that's a rather large community. | Sep 07 20:52 |
twitter1 | eventually, it will be picked up by distros like DSL. | Sep 07 20:52 |
twitter1 | if only in the form of stuff like Oppie | Sep 07 20:53 |
twitter1 | only non free software ever really dies | Sep 07 20:53 |
twitter1 | bbl | Sep 07 20:53 |
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schestowitz_logg | I'm just swapping clients here | Sep 07 20:56 |
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schestowitz_log | twitter: he ain't trolling. Quit accusing people | Sep 07 20:58 |
DaemonFC | accusing people of trolling when you disagree with them is trolling | Sep 07 20:59 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] #mocknblock @WellWire - coeliac disease spammers give me the shits | Sep 07 20:59 | |
schestowitz_log | test | Sep 07 21:00 |
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schestowitz_log | [ignore] test | Sep 07 21:01 |
schestowitz | [ignore] test | Sep 07 21:02 |
schestowitz_log | OK, done | Sep 07 21:02 |
schestowitz_log | sebsebseb: thanks, I've swapped primary client for IRC | Sep 07 21:02 |
schestowitz_log | xchat will just log | Sep 07 21:02 |
sebsebseb | schestowitz_log: oh your a Konversation user now? | Sep 07 21:02 |
schestowitz_log | No, this is xchat | Sep 07 21:03 |
schestowitz | This is conv | Sep 07 21:04 |
sebsebseb | schestowitz: yeah and there's also Quassel or whatever it's called, which Kubuntu is using by default or whatever now | Sep 07 21:04 |
trmanco | don't like quassel | Sep 07 21:04 |
sebsebseb | schestowitz: I gave that one a look here and there, and didn't like it | Sep 07 21:04 |
schestowitz | I wanted a qt4 client | Sep 07 21:05 |
schestowitz | I don't mind so much about the rest | Sep 07 21:05 |
schestowitz | qt looks more pleasant | Sep 07 21:05 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[nickballard] A copyright black hole swallows our culture http://bit.ly/1zkwXR | Sep 07 21:07 | |
schestowitz | Dell waves job axe in Bracknell, keeps schtum on numbers < http://www.channelregister.co.uk/2009/09/07/dell_bracknell_job_cuts/ > | Sep 07 21:07 |
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trmanco | wow | Sep 07 21:13 |
trmanco | gmane with 18 of system load | Sep 07 21:13 |
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #trmanco, JS always disabled and tabbed browsing make it fine | Sep 07 21:14 | |
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schestowitz | BN site unreachable for some reason. Not just me.. | Sep 07 21:18 |
schestowitz | tessier: ping. | Sep 07 21:18 |
trmanco | http://downforeveryoneorjustme.com/ | Sep 07 21:19 |
trmanco | It's not just you! http://boycottnovell.com looks down from here. | Sep 07 21:19 |
trmanco | http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=7902435&postcount=1 | Sep 07 21:21 |
trmanco | heh | Sep 07 21:21 |
sebsebseb | schestowitz: did you do the wrong / earlier? it's /join | Sep 07 21:22 |
schestowitz | No, it ought to have worked | Sep 07 21:22 |
twitter1 | no dos here -> schestowitz_on_k: /join #boycottnovell | Sep 07 21:22 |
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schestowitz | OK, BN coming back now | Sep 07 21:23 |
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twitter1 | thanks, anything new? | Sep 07 21:23 |
schestowitz | twitter1: I'm OK now.. on konversation | Sep 07 21:23 |
schestowitz | It has facilities for logging in on startup and joining | Sep 07 21:23 |
twitter1 | how is it? | Sep 07 21:23 |
schestowitz | Better than xchat in most waus | Sep 07 21:24 |
schestowitz | *ways | Sep 07 21:24 |
twitter1 | ever used pidgin? | Sep 07 21:24 |
schestowitz | Best I've ever used in certain ways | Sep 07 21:24 |
schestowitz | But my basis for comparison is xchat and mirc in 1996/7 | Sep 07 21:24 |
twitter1 | that's a lot of IRC | Sep 07 21:24 |
schestowitz | knode worries me cause it doesn't do drag and drop | Sep 07 21:24 |
schestowitz | They removed that functionality | Sep 07 21:25 |
schestowitz | I could not find similar complaints | Sep 07 21:25 |
trmanco | hopefully they will add that back | Sep 07 21:28 |
schestowitz | Yeah, I can wait but not for months | Sep 07 21:29 |
schestowitz | Maybe I'll change how I interact on USENET while I'm at it | Sep 07 21:29 |
trmanco | wow | Sep 07 21:29 |
schestowitz | It would annoy the trolls a lot | Sep 07 21:29 |
trmanco | my process count and cpu usage went down after removing the gnome stuff | Sep 07 21:29 |
schestowitz | I can't manage to use swap | Sep 07 21:30 |
trmanco | I can | Sep 07 21:31 |
trmanco | I've got only 1GB | Sep 07 21:31 |
trmanco | and my version of update-notifier-kde has a memory leak | Sep 07 21:31 |
trmanco | when it checks for updates it will hit the 200 MB mark and not get any lower, it needs to be killed and restarted | Sep 07 21:32 |
trmanco | python stuff... what can we do | Sep 07 21:32 |
trmanco | :-p | Sep 07 21:32 |
schestowitz | I wonder if tessier knows about the server... I've paged him | Sep 07 21:36 |
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DaemonFC | playing through KOTOR again | Sep 07 21:36 |
twitter1 | konversation 1.2~alpha4-2 ... ut oh | Sep 07 21:37 |
DaemonFC | http://img201.imageshack.us/img201/7426/screenshot3ex.png | Sep 07 21:37 |
twitter1 | what am I installing? | Sep 07 21:37 |
trmanco | a great irc client | Sep 07 21:40 |
trmanco | I'm using that version | Sep 07 21:40 |
trmanco | alpha4 | Sep 07 21:40 |
trmanco | there is an aplha6 but the ppa hasn't been updated yet | Sep 07 21:40 |
trmanco | alpha* | Sep 07 21:40 |
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] NotN: Placebos more effective than most new drugs http://notnews.today.com/?p=632 | Sep 07 21:44 | |
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twitter1 | interesting | Sep 07 21:45 |
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sebsebseb | welcome bad, nasty netsplit | Sep 07 21:49 |
sebsebseb | welcome back above | Sep 07 21:49 |
schestowitz | <trmanco> and my version of update-notifier-kde has a memory leak | Sep 07 21:49 |
schestowitz | <trmanco> when it checks for updates it will hit the 200 MB mark and not get any lower, it needs to be killed and restarted | Sep 07 21:49 |
schestowitz | <trmanco> python stuff... what can we do | Sep 07 21:49 |
schestowitz | <trmanco> :-p | Sep 07 21:49 |
schestowitz | <schestowitz> I wonder if tessier knows about the server... I've paged him | Sep 07 21:49 |
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schestowitz | <DaemonFC> playing through KOTOR again | Sep 07 21:49 |
schestowitz | <twitter1> konversation 1.2~alpha4-2 ... ut oh | Sep 07 21:49 |
schestowitz | <DaemonFC> http://img201.imageshack.us/img201/7426/screenshot3ex.png | Sep 07 21:49 |
schestowitz | <twitter1> what am I installing? | Sep 07 21:50 |
schestowitz | <trmanco> a great irc client | Sep 07 21:50 |
schestowitz | <trmanco> I'm using that version | Sep 07 21:50 |
schestowitz | <trmanco> alpha4 | Sep 07 21:50 |
schestowitz | <trmanco> there is an aplha6 but the ppa hasn't been updated yet | Sep 07 21:50 |
schestowitz | <trmanco> alpha* | Sep 07 21:50 |
schestowitz | -BNc/#boycottnovell- [davidgerard] NotN: Placebos more effective than most new drugs http://notnews.today.com/?p=632 | Sep 07 21:50 |
twitter1 | ok, thanks | Sep 07 21:50 |
schestowitz | <twitter1> interesting | Sep 07 21:50 |
schestowitz | FIN. | Sep 07 21:50 |
twitter1 | it's taking me a while to set up. | Sep 07 21:50 |
schestowitz | nasty splot indeed | Sep 07 21:50 |
twitter1 | where did those characters come from ? <twitter1> interesting | Sep 07 21:50 |
schestowitz | OK, BN is back online too :-D | Sep 07 21:52 |
trmanco | ohhhh | Sep 07 21:52 |
trmanco | what a feature | Sep 07 21:52 |
trmanco | knode can fetch msgs from msg-ids | Sep 07 21:52 |
trmanco | :D | Sep 07 21:53 |
trmanco | schestowitz: try pirc | Sep 07 21:54 |
trmanco | a plasma plasmoid for kde | Sep 07 21:54 |
trmanco | http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php/IRC+plasmoid?content=108428 | Sep 07 21:54 |
trmanco | :-P | Sep 07 21:54 |
tessier | hmm | Sep 07 21:54 |
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tessier | Server back up now? | Sep 07 21:54 |
tessier | Some people are getting the page it seems. | Sep 07 21:54 |
trmanco | " | Sep 07 21:55 |
trmanco | After installing and running Windows 7 in a netbook with a Atom CPU and 1GB | Sep 07 21:55 |
trmanco | RAM it become obvious that the CPU is too weak, the system felt sluggish, | Sep 07 21:55 |
trmanco | and after loading the AV, IM, VoIP, and Music Player, my default minimum, | Sep 07 21:55 |
trmanco | little RAM is left for anything else and swapping ensues. Note that Windows | Sep 07 21:55 |
trmanco | 7 was running trimmed down, no Aero, and several unneeded services | Sep 07 21:55 |
trmanco | disabled. On the same machine Mandriva 2010.0 Cooker (still in Alpha) was | Sep 07 21:56 |
trmanco | very snappy even with some nice 3D desktop effects and lots more stuff | Sep 07 21:56 |
trmanco | running. | Sep 07 21:56 |
trmanco | " | Sep 07 21:56 |
DaemonFC | damn it | Sep 07 21:56 |
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DaemonFC | the downstairs neghbor is spray painting something and the fumes drifted in through my window | Sep 07 21:56 |
DaemonFC | I turned the fan around and put it on high | Sep 07 21:57 |
DaemonFC | it *was* a nice breeze | Sep 07 21:57 |
DaemonFC | *neighbor | Sep 07 21:57 |
twitter1 | don't light up | Sep 07 21:57 |
DaemonFC | that guy is a box of rocks | Sep 07 21:58 |
DaemonFC | I should throw a lit cigarette out the window and be like "whoops" | Sep 07 21:58 |
twitter1 | you might regret it | Sep 07 21:58 |
twitter1 | boom | Sep 07 21:58 |
DaemonFC | he's already out there smoking | Sep 07 21:59 |
DaemonFC | and drinking a beer | Sep 07 21:59 |
_Hicham_ | boooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooom | Sep 07 21:59 |
quite the split | Sep 07 21:59 | |
Xarver | Hai | Sep 07 21:59 |
Xarver | Lots of things going on :| | Sep 07 22:00 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] yay, the snake oil medicine spammers! #mocknblock @WellnessHill | Sep 07 22:01 | |
DaemonFC | as he spray paints without wearing a mask | Sep 07 22:01 |
DaemonFC | stupid hick | Sep 07 22:01 |
DaemonFC | I hate sharing the world with these people | Sep 07 22:01 |
schestowitz | tessier: yes, it was down for maybe 20 minutes since I saw it | Sep 07 22:02 |
_Hicham_ | go teach him how to paint | Sep 07 22:04 |
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DaemonFC | hmmmm | Sep 07 22:09 |
MinceR | don't you "hmmmm" us | Sep 07 22:10 |
ThistleWeb | he was tuning his vocal chords before giving us a tune | Sep 07 22:11 |
ThistleWeb | either that or trying to do the brown note through IRC | Sep 07 22:11 |
DaemonFC | funny | Sep 07 22:12 |
_Hicham_ | Lord DaemonFC | Sep 07 22:12 |
_Hicham_ | lord of encoding | Sep 07 22:13 |
_Hicham_ | lets encode and decode everything | Sep 07 22:13 |
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DaemonFC | I just got rick rolled by Last FM | Sep 07 22:14 |
MinceR | lulz | Sep 07 22:14 |
trmanco | heh | Sep 07 22:14 |
_Hicham_ | MinceR : I am sending u a mac as a gift from me | Sep 07 22:14 |
MinceR | you can't | Sep 07 22:15 |
MinceR | because you don't know my address | Sep 07 22:15 |
MinceR | a pity, too... i could use a doorstop. | Sep 07 22:15 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Skype on GNU/Linux is More Secure Than on Windows http://ping.fm/h2VU0 | Sep 07 22:17 | |
DaemonFC | http://img201.imageshack.us/img201/8986/screenshotkv.png | Sep 07 22:17 |
MinceR | Skype is "Secure"? :> | Sep 07 22:17 |
MinceR | i don't think i can consider myself Rick Rolled if there's no sound accompanying the picture... | Sep 07 22:17 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] New Issue of Linux Journal, Free Software Magazine on Linux Event http://ping.fm/PRVvO http://ping.fm/zdtFC | Sep 07 22:18 | |
DaemonFC | at least it's gone to playing something decent now :P | Sep 07 22:18 |
twitter1 | nothing is secure on Windows because Windows is a mess. | Sep 07 22:18 |
twitter1 | but non free software should not be trusted | Sep 07 22:18 |
MinceR | obfuscated proprietary software should be trusted even less | Sep 07 22:19 |
twitter1 | The problems reported the other week, however, were Windows problems not Skype problems. | Sep 07 22:19 |
twitter1 | The Skype people posted a blog about it. | Sep 07 22:20 |
MinceR | http://forums.thedailywtf.com/forums/p/13186/203700.aspx http://healthbase.netbase.com/ | Sep 07 22:20 |
twitter1 | said it was not their fault that Windows got it's mike hijacked. | Sep 07 22:20 |
DaemonFC | I think Last FM is trying to Rick Astley me until I pay for a premium account | Sep 07 22:20 |
DaemonFC | just a guess | Sep 07 22:20 |
MinceR | Drug & Medications for ballmer (2) | Sep 07 22:21 |
MinceR | Calcitriol | Sep 07 22:21 |
MinceR | Vitamin | Sep 07 22:21 |
MinceR | Poison pill | Sep 07 22:22 |
MinceR | Biomed Material | Sep 07 22:22 |
DaemonFC | hmmm | Sep 07 22:22 |
ThistleWeb | just because it's non free, does not mean it shouldn't be trusted, merely that the trust moves from the software (as you can't see the source) to the providers of the software | Sep 07 22:23 |
DaemonFC | VLC understands my headset microphone | Sep 07 22:23 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Linutop 3 - An Overview of Powerful Tiny Desktop http://ping.fm/72U6j | Sep 07 22:23 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] GNU/Linux Desktop Ahead of the Rest in USB 3.0 Support, Other Features http://ping.fm/UYJaw | Sep 07 22:23 | |
schestowitz | trmanco: does SHIFT+TAB work for you in kde4? | Sep 07 22:23 |
schestowitz | It is just some setting of mine | Sep 07 22:23 |
schestowitz | I can't reverse-tab | Sep 07 22:23 |
ThistleWeb | schestowitz: tried ctrl+shoft+tab? | Sep 07 22:23 |
_Hicham_ | Windows is secure, according to Miguel | Sep 07 22:23 |
ThistleWeb | shift* | Sep 07 22:23 |
trmanco | schestowitz: nope | Sep 07 22:24 |
_Hicham_ | Miguel wants to bring Windows security model to Linux | Sep 07 22:24 |
trmanco | alt+tab | Sep 07 22:24 |
_Hicham_ | that is why he is so ambitious about mono | Sep 07 22:24 |
_Hicham_ | he said that .NET stack is the solution to absolute security | Sep 07 22:24 |
trmanco | schestowitz: or push your mouse to the upper left corner | Sep 07 22:24 |
trmanco | but really push it | Sep 07 22:24 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Another Girlfriend Moves to GNU/Linux http://ping.fm/Uru1t | Sep 07 22:25 | |
schestowitz | ThistleWeb: OH, it works | Sep 07 22:28 |
schestowitz | BUT... | Sep 07 22:28 |
schestowitz | It always did | Sep 07 22:28 |
schestowitz | Something changed in the tabbing in knode | Sep 07 22:28 |
schestowitz | The order of elements. | Sep 07 22:28 |
schestowitz | So I can't reverse tab from message body to subject line like I'm used to | Sep 07 22:29 |
schestowitz | I can tab from subject line to body | Sep 07 22:29 |
schestowitz | But not in reverse | Sep 07 22:29 |
schestowitz | Very off | Sep 07 22:29 |
schestowitz | *odd | Sep 07 22:29 |
schestowitz | Worked in previous version | Sep 07 22:30 |
DaemonFC | On the phone with Comcast support (if you can call it that) | Sep 07 22:30 |
schestowitz | But it's hardly a 'bug'.. more of a pet peeve for spoiled users | Sep 07 22:30 |
DaemonFC | from all the dinging noises, sounds like she's on XP | Sep 07 22:30 |
schestowitz | WHat else? | Sep 07 22:30 |
DaemonFC | it keeps playing the "Exclamation" sound while she's typing | Sep 07 22:30 |
schestowitz | *LOL* | Sep 07 22:30 |
schestowitz | They probably don't change the wallpaper either | Sep 07 22:30 |
schestowitz | They don't know how | Sep 07 22:30 |
schestowitz | Still teletubby land with Fisher Price GI | Sep 07 22:31 |
schestowitz | *GUI | Sep 07 22:31 |
DaemonFC | they're gonna swap my modem out again | Sep 07 22:31 |
DaemonFC | woohoo | Sep 07 22:31 |
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DaemonFC | this makes an RCA and a Motorola that have died on me | Sep 07 22:31 |
DaemonFC | even Comcast isn't using Vista | Sep 07 22:33 |
DaemonFC | for some reason they always ask me to start up their modem diagnostic software which I haven't ever even installed | Sep 07 22:34 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Linux 2.6.31 Reaches Its Last Release Candidate (Probably) http://ping.fm/jJKuy I'm already using this kernel on the desktop | Sep 07 22:35 | |
schestowitz | In business, VERY few touch Vista | Sep 07 22:36 |
schestowitz | Well less than 10% | Sep 07 22:36 |
schestowitz | Maybe 5% or less | Sep 07 22:36 |
schestowitz | It was around that earlier this year, some argue | Sep 07 22:36 |
schestowitz | Vista is an African word meaning "not ready for consumption" | Sep 07 22:36 |
_Hicham_ | DaemonFC likes Vista | Sep 07 22:37 |
_Hicham_ | and Windows 7 more | Sep 07 22:37 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] Currently listening to Einfach mehr Musik! by on m t h . H o u s e - ShoutedFM - [DSL] - powered by mthN [Amarok]. Test... | Sep 07 22:39 | |
trmanco | heh | Sep 07 22:39 |
_Hicham_ | trmanco : are u german ? | Sep 07 22:40 |
trmanco | nope | Sep 07 22:40 |
trmanco | the best house isn't from my country | Sep 07 22:41 |
_Hicham_ | Vista is preinstalled on laptops | Sep 07 22:41 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] What Digital Restrictions Management Means to Linux http://ping.fm/uOsuy | Sep 07 22:41 | |
_Hicham_ | on all laptops | Sep 07 22:41 |
trmanco | I mean, in the country I live in right now | Sep 07 22:41 |
sebsebseb | schestowitz: well loads of companies will upgrade to Vista version 2? | Sep 07 22:41 |
_Hicham_ | nobody can change chat | Sep 07 22:41 |
_Hicham_ | Microsoft will start a free ship it service | Sep 07 22:41 |
_Hicham_ | and give Windows for free | Sep 07 22:42 |
sebsebseb | _Hicham_: would be nice if they let everyone with Vista upgrade to Windows 7 for free, but I guess they don't want to kill Vista enough for that to happan :( | Sep 07 22:42 |
_Hicham_ | Vista is already dead | Sep 07 22:42 |
sebsebseb | _Hicham_: well people still use it today | Sep 07 22:43 |
_Hicham_ | a lot of people | Sep 07 22:43 |
sebsebseb | yep | Sep 07 22:43 |
_Hicham_ | because there is not another alternative | Sep 07 22:43 |
sebsebseb | well there's Apple, but yeah | Sep 07 22:43 |
sebsebseb | and most computer users don't know about Desktop Linux | Sep 07 22:43 |
sebsebseb | :( | Sep 07 22:43 |
_Hicham_ | not all software is made for Apple | Sep 07 22:43 |
_Hicham_ | especially games | Sep 07 22:43 |
sebsebseb | well | Sep 07 22:44 |
_Hicham_ | most games exist on Windows | Sep 07 22:44 |
sebsebseb | dual boots | Sep 07 22:44 |
sebsebseb | and virtual machines | Sep 07 22:44 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] K Desktop Environment as a Powerful Tool for Bloggers http://ping.fm/xBf5W http://ping.fm/XxgZR | Sep 07 22:44 | |
_Hicham_ | dual boot with what ? | Sep 07 22:44 |
sebsebseb | Windows | Sep 07 22:44 |
_Hicham_ | people won't use Linux | Sep 07 22:44 |
_Hicham_ | even though if it is preinstalled | Sep 07 22:44 |
sebsebseb | oh more and more people going Ubuntu as times goes on for example | Sep 07 22:45 |
_Hicham_ | because all what they know is windows | Sep 07 22:45 |
_Hicham_ | in school they were taught windows | Sep 07 22:45 |
sebsebseb | also even those that aren't that technical, can normalley get on rather well with Ubuntu for example, if someone with know how, helps them out enough | Sep 07 22:45 |
_Hicham_ | just IT nerds and pseudo nerds | Sep 07 22:45 |
sebsebseb | and what you just said, that's part of the commercial software vender lock in, oh and some schools do teach Linux | Sep 07 22:46 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Review of Windows Applications on GNU/Linux http://ping.fm/asf3k | Sep 07 22:46 | |
_Hicham_ | "some schools" | Sep 07 22:46 |
_Hicham_ | but most of them ... | Sep 07 22:46 |
sebsebseb | yep and, because of vender lock in and computer ignorance | Sep 07 22:46 |
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sebsebseb | also they say that the Windows IT technition is usaully the hardest to convert to Linux, and to get happy with it | Sep 07 22:55 |
sebsebseb | and so that's another issue | Sep 07 22:55 |
_Hicham_ | but we are strongly hoping to fix that bug | Sep 07 22:55 |
sebsebseb | get happy with it? I mean to stay with it | Sep 07 22:55 |
_Hicham_ | which ubuntu's first bug | Sep 07 22:55 |
sebsebseb | _Hicham_: and I guess eventaully cloud computing will hit off a lot more, and it will come a time, when people start to reolize, that they only really need a basic OS for what they are using a computer for, and Linux distros will make a lot of sense to them | Sep 07 22:55 |
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Small Review of Zenwalk 6.2 http://ping.fm/wE5dm | Sep 07 22:56 | |
twitter1 | OK, I've finished de-spinning the "count me out of the revolution" article. What we are really seeing is that people, especially Windows techs, are sick of "supporting windows" | Sep 07 22:56 |
twitter1 | this is tremendously good news. | Sep 07 22:56 |
twitter1 | Windows depends on a community to support it. | Sep 07 22:56 |
sebsebseb | _Hicham_: yeah I seen that before, the one about how Windows has most of the market for the desktop | Sep 07 22:56 |
twitter1 | that community has largely turned to free software | Sep 07 22:56 |
sebsebseb | twitter1: a community yeah, of IT shops and so on :D | Sep 07 22:57 |
_Hicham_ | I support Windows like twitter1 does | Sep 07 22:57 |
twitter1 | they too are sick of Windows | Sep 07 22:57 |
twitter1 | customers lose faith, | Sep 07 22:57 |
sebsebseb | _Hicham_: meaning? | Sep 07 22:57 |
twitter1 | shops that don't move will lose out | Sep 07 22:57 |
_Hicham_ | I am planning to do some Windows business with twitter1 | Sep 07 22:58 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] GNU/Linux Assists Online Anonymity (to Those Requiring it) http://ping.fm/w8JcO | Sep 07 22:58 | |
twitter1 | Windows has always depended on family members and friends of users to keep things running smoothly. Now those people use gnu/linux. | Sep 07 22:58 |
twitter1 | to fix their family computers, the just put gnu/linux on it. | Sep 07 22:58 |
twitter1 | this is the end game for M$. | Sep 07 22:58 |
_Hicham_ | of course I need a livecd | Sep 07 22:58 |
_Hicham_ | even for installing Windows | Sep 07 22:59 |
_Hicham_ | Gparted is just doing great | Sep 07 22:59 |
_Hicham_ | better than PartitionMagic | Sep 07 22:59 |
twitter1 | _Hicham_ last of the Windows installers | Sep 07 22:59 |
_Hicham_ | can I install Windows on twitter1's head ? | Sep 07 22:59 |
twitter1 | no | Sep 07 23:00 |
twitter1 | I can tell you where to put it, but it would be rude .... | Sep 07 23:00 |
_Hicham_ | I know that u r rude | Sep 07 23:00 |
_Hicham_ | but I am not gonna insult u | Sep 07 23:00 |
_Hicham_ | I am a peaceful person | Sep 07 23:01 |
twitter1 | well then, I think you know where to shove Windows and insults. | Sep 07 23:01 |
twitter1 | he he | Sep 07 23:01 |
_Hicham_ | and by the way, no bad words in this channel plz | Sep 07 23:02 |
twitter1 | Install where sun does not shine. | Sep 07 23:02 |
_Hicham_ | those are the rules | Sep 07 23:02 |
_Hicham_ | signed by Lord schestowitz | Sep 07 23:02 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Red Hat Linux Targets HP BladeSystem Servers http://ping.fm/coy7M | Sep 07 23:09 | |
sebsebseb | Lord schestowitz heh | Sep 07 23:12 |
sebsebseb | _Hicham_: Windows business with twitter1 ???? | Sep 07 23:12 |
_Hicham_ | sebsebseb : yes | Sep 07 23:12 |
sebsebseb | and there are still people helping with Windows, that don't use Linux by the way | Sep 07 23:12 |
sebsebseb | _Hicham_: what does that mean? | Sep 07 23:12 |
_Hicham_ | twitter1 is a Windows geek | Sep 07 23:13 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] New Catalyst Driver for Linux is Released First with Ubuntu http://ping.fm/woOAT | Sep 07 23:13 | |
sebsebseb | oh a Windows geek :( | Sep 07 23:13 |
_Hicham_ | I do use Linux and help with Windows | Sep 07 23:14 |
twitter1 | I bite the heads off of Windows chickens in a carnival side show. | Sep 07 23:14 |
sebsebseb | twitter1: [22:05] <twitter1> OK, I've finished de-spinning the "count me out of the revolution" article. What we are really seeing is that people, especially Windows techs, are sick of "supporting windows" | Sep 07 23:14 |
sebsebseb | twitter1: where's the article? | Sep 07 23:14 |
_Hicham_ | I still can't recommend Linux to people | Sep 07 23:14 |
twitter1 | that's too bad _Hicham_ | Sep 07 23:14 |
*sebsebseb would rather not help with Windows these days, unless he is helping with a dual boot, Windows, and GNU/Linux, or helping with a virtual machine of Windows in GNU/Linux | Sep 07 23:15 | |
_Hicham_ | mainly because of internet connection problems | Sep 07 23:15 |
twitter1 | I can't recommend Windows to anyone. | Sep 07 23:15 |
twitter1 | Yeah, I heard Google has a lot of those. | Sep 07 23:15 |
*twitter1 rolls eyes | Sep 07 23:15 | |
_Hicham_ | If i have to recommend a distro, it would be mandriva | Sep 07 23:16 |
trmanco | http://alioth.debian.org/~fjp/log/posts/debtree_0.7.3_-_Oh_what_tangled_webs_we_weave.html | Sep 07 23:16 |
_Hicham_ | it supports a wide range of internet connections | Sep 07 23:16 |
twitter1 | what kind of network issues are you having _Hicham_? | Sep 07 23:16 |
_Hicham_ | twitter1 : USB ADSL Modems are only supported graphically in Mandriva | Sep 07 23:17 |
_Hicham_ | no other distros offers support for them | Sep 07 23:17 |
twitter1 | pppoe? | Sep 07 23:17 |
_Hicham_ | yes | Sep 07 23:17 |
twitter1 | try kpppoe | Sep 07 23:17 |
_Hicham_ | doesn't work | Sep 07 23:17 |
_Hicham_ | tried it before | Sep 07 23:18 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Sprint Choice of Android is Another Win for Linux Phones http://ping.fm/D8J4K | Sep 07 23:18 | |
twitter1 | ask for a better modem, USB sucks | Sep 07 23:18 |
_Hicham_ | I know | Sep 07 23:18 |
twitter1 | especially for something that's supposed to be "over ethernet" | Sep 07 23:18 |
_Hicham_ | but main provider in here (and in other countries as well) forces u to have those nasty modems | Sep 07 23:18 |
twitter1 | really? | Sep 07 23:18 |
_Hicham_ | it is virtually over ethernet | Sep 07 23:18 |
_Hicham_ | yes | Sep 07 23:18 |
twitter1 | no, it's over USB | Sep 07 23:19 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Frankencamera is Powered by Linux http://ping.fm/KNy09 | Sep 07 23:19 | |
_Hicham_ | over USB | Sep 07 23:19 |
twitter1 | I don't know. | Sep 07 23:19 |
_Hicham_ | but it creates a virtual ethernet device | Sep 07 23:19 |
twitter1 | Lenny has a nice pppoe handler. | Sep 07 23:19 |
_Hicham_ | that is why it is called such | Sep 07 23:19 |
twitter1 | no, it's called such because someone is a moron. | Sep 07 23:20 |
_Hicham_ | the guy who invented this tech ? | Sep 07 23:20 |
twitter1 | no, the marketing droid from M$ who forced the name, probably the same person who told them to make it. | Sep 07 23:21 |
twitter1 | anyway, just use pppoeconf | Sep 07 23:21 |
twitter1 | after you set it up, the customer never touches it again. | Sep 07 23:21 |
twitter1 | it just works. | Sep 07 23:21 |
twitter1 | don't know what to do about USB though. | Sep 07 23:21 |
twitter1 | complain until you get a decent device | Sep 07 23:22 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] @schestowitz 2.6.31's been in Ubuntu 9.10 for a while now | Sep 07 23:22 | |
twitter1 | but that's a lame reason to discard the entire free software world. | Sep 07 23:22 |
twitter1 | you might as well have discarded free software 10 years ago because M$ pushed winmodems onto everyone. | Sep 07 23:22 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] @schestowitz i heartily recommend the linutops to anyone as a silent household/bedroom file and video server | Sep 07 23:23 | |
twitter1 | the world moves on and the junk goes to the trash | Sep 07 23:23 |
twitter1 | the greatest irony of your USB modem is that it probably uses gnu/linux to run itself. | Sep 07 23:24 |
MinceR | just like the Logitech G19 keyboard | Sep 07 23:24 |
MinceR | Linux runs inside, no drivers for Linux. | Sep 07 23:24 |
MinceR | does this mean we need GPLv4? :) | Sep 07 23:25 |
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_Hicham_ | I just sent the firmwares to the kernel team | Sep 07 23:25 |
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_Hicham_ | there is some GUI to configure it, like UbuDSL | Sep 07 23:26 |
_Hicham_ | but it has problems | Sep 07 23:26 |
_Hicham_ | Mandriva's tool, drakconnect, is just the best | Sep 07 23:26 |
_Hicham_ | I can even say that it is better than NetworkManager | Sep 07 23:27 |
_Hicham_ | the sad thing is that it can't be used on other distros | Sep 07 23:27 |
_Hicham_ | because it is so deeply depending on Mandriva | Sep 07 23:27 |
MinceR | they could just rename it "Conectiva" :> | Sep 07 23:27 |
MinceR | (drakconnect, that is) | Sep 07 23:28 |
_Hicham_ | rename what ? | Sep 07 23:28 |
_Hicham_ | have u used drakconnect before ? | Sep 07 23:28 |
MinceR | nope | Sep 07 23:28 |
MinceR | i'm just having fun with words | Sep 07 23:29 |
_Hicham_ | Mandriva's tools are great | Sep 07 23:29 |
_Hicham_ | porting them isn't easy | Sep 07 23:29 |
_Hicham_ | I prefer Mandriva Control Center to Yast | Sep 07 23:30 |
_Hicham_ | I think that schestowitz have the same preference | Sep 07 23:31 |
twitter1 | Vista 7 Failure Log is updated with Broken UAC story http://slashdot.org/~twitter/journal/215957 | Sep 07 23:31 |
trmanco | hmm | Sep 07 23:31 |
trmanco | Digg is the only website AFAIK that has problems with konq | Sep 07 23:31 |
_Hicham_ | trmanco : swith to webkit | Sep 07 23:32 |
trmanco | fonts are too small | Sep 07 23:32 |
twitter1 | M$ Death Watch is updated with story of third lawsuit that claims WGA is spyware http://slashdot.org/~twitter/journal/213707 | Sep 07 23:36 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] More Linux-ready Chips Targets Sub-notebooks http://ping.fm/PYDfy | Sep 07 23:36 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] How Free Software Changes Computing Through Apache http://ping.fm/E1jm3 | Sep 07 23:37 | |
trmanco | wow | Sep 07 23:39 |
trmanco | webkit on konq is twice as fast as khtml | Sep 07 23:39 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] OpenOffice.org 3.2 Plans Laid Out http://ping.fm/7RjuW | Sep 07 23:48 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] DesktopBSD 1.7 is Out http://ping.fm/aKXVM | Sep 07 23:50 | |
twitter1 | Article mentions Vista as the target.... -> More Linux-ready Chips Targets Sub-notebooks | Sep 07 23:57 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] IDG New Zealand Writer Explains Why GPL is Good for Businesses http://ping.fm/Dhddd | Sep 07 23:57 | |
twitter1 | fat chip consuming more power and silicon that's priced cheaper.... Intel is helping their M$ buddies. | Sep 07 23:57 |
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